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Inside the Murder of Cash App Founder Bob Lee · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: It is. It's two thirty in the morning on April
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four to twenty twenty three, right, and we are standing
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on a completely deserted street in San Francisco's Rinkin' Hill neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is normally this you know, very upscale.
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Speaker 1: Area, exactly nestled right near the Bay Bridge, but at
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this hour it is just entirely swallowed by darkness. And
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a man is stumbling along the pavement. He is bleeding heavily,
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like profoundly, from stab wounds to his chest and his hip.
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Speaker 2: It's just a nightmare scenario.
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Speaker 1: It really is. In his hand, he's got a phone,
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he manages to dial nine to one one, and he
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is desperately repeating, just over and over dozens of times
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to the dispatcher, help me, please help.
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Speaker 2: And you know, the security footage from that night, it
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captures a genuinely horrific scene.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read about that.
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Speaker 2: You can see this man staggering toward a car that
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is just sitting there on the street with its hazard
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lights flashing. Right, he approaches the driver's side. He actually
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physically lifts his bloody shirt to show the driver his injurre,
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you know, begging for assistance.
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Speaker 1: God, it's just so hard to picture.
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Speaker 2: And the car just puts it in gear and drives away.
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Left completely alone, the man eventually collapses near the the
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electronic call box of a luxury apartment building. Right by
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the time the police arrive at two three five am.
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He's unresponsive. He's rushed to the hospital, but the catastrophic
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damage to his heart, I mean, it's irreversible. He doesn't
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make it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because the identity of that victim
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is what turned this terrible tragedy into a global shockwave.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it completely changed the narrative.
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Speaker 1: The man bleeding out on that sidewalk was Bobble. He
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was forty three years old, a brilliant software engineer, like
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a literal Titan of Silicon VACTA.
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Speaker 2: The visionary who built the architecture for cash app no
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less exactly.
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Speaker 1: And the mission of our deep dive today for you listening,
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is to explore how this exact moment, a moment that
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the entire world immediately diagnosed as you know, random urban
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street violence, was completely misinterpreted entirely. The story starts out
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looking like a gritting noir thriller about a wealthy tech
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executive in the wrong place at the wrong time, right right.
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But as we dig into the sources, you know, the
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court records, the trial transcripts, and Scott Allen Lucas's incredible
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book Last Night in San Francisco, we realize we're actually
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looking at a locked room mystery.
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Speaker 2: A locked room mystery is it's the perfect framework for.
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Speaker 1: This because the room in this case is the highly exclusive,
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overlapping social circles of San Francisco's wealthiest innovators.
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Speaker 2: Exactly because when law enforcement began pulling the threads of
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this case, they didn't find a threat lurking in the
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shadowy alleys of the city. No, the threat was sitting
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on a velvet sofa inside the room with him.
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Speaker 1: And to you listening right now, I want to make
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our objective extremely clear. This is not just some true
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crime rundown.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's much bigger than that.
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Speaker 1: It is a profound, deeply unsettling examination of human nature.
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We're going to map out how sheer, intellectual, brilliant, unlimited
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financial resources and massive social status offer like absolute zero
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protection from the oldest, most primal human failings.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about rage, jealousy, and just catastrophic judgment.
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Speaker 1: But to understand the sheer gravity of this murder, we
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cannot just skip over what Bob Lee actually built. We
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have to understand the mind of the man at the
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center of this.
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Speaker 2: You know, we really do, because his professional trajectory reads
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like the quintessential Silicon Valley mythology, but it actually has
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its roots far from the West coast.
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Speaker 1: Right. He wasn't a California native.
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Speaker 2: No. Robert Lee was born in Saint Louis, Missouri, back
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in December of nineteen seventy nine. Okay, and by the
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time he was at Lindberg High School, he had already
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earned the nickname crazy Bob.
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Speaker 1: Crazy Bob. That sounds a little intense.
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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't a derogatory term. Actually, it was a
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testament to his seemingly limitless physical energy. He was this
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powerhouse water polo player.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I wouldn't have guessed water polo.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that kinetic energy was matched by a relentless intellectual curiosity.
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He was entirely self taught. In his early years. As
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a teenager, he was writing three dimensional rendering engines in
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Turbo Pascal.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I want to pause on that, because the
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term rendering engine gets thrown around a lot today. Duck
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for those who aren't software historians, writing a three D
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rendering engine from scratch in a language like Turbo Pascal
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in the nineteen nineties, that is not like downloading a
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modern game development kit today at all.
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Speaker 2: It's Dighton Dack.
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Speaker 1: You are doing brutal complex calculus to map three dimensional
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coordinates onto a two dimensional screen, and you're managing incredibly
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tight memory constraints manually.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you really have to be an architect exactly.
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Speaker 1: It requires an architectural mind. So he goes on to
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Southeast Missouri State University pledges Sigma Chi. But his code
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is what really defined him, and by two thousand and
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one he makes a massive global impact. There was this
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huge cybersecurity so called the code redworm tearing through the Internet.
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Speaker 2: Oh Man code read That was a nightmare for IT departments,
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It really was. It was targeting a specific vulnerability and
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Microsoft isis web servers right. Code Red essentially use what's
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known as a buffer overflow attack break that down for us.
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So it sent a massive string of repeated characters to
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the server, completely overloading the memory buffer, and that overload
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allowed the malicious code to execute self replicate and launch
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denial of service attacks against other targets, I mean, including
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the White House website.
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Speaker 1: That's insane.
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Speaker 2: It was an absolute crisis for early network administrators.
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Speaker 1: And Bob Lee, who is what in his early twenties at.
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Speaker 2: This point it was early twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he analyzes the worm, writes a highly efficient tool
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to protect servers from the vulnerability, and just he just
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releases it to the world for free.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no paywall, no patent, he.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't hold for ransom. He just solves the problem.
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Speaker 2: And that move lands him at AT and T as
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a technical architect, which is huge, definitely, And there he
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develops an aspect oriented programming framework that ends up featured
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in Oracle magazine.
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Speaker 1: So he's building a reputation not just as a guy
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who types fast, but as a real structural engineer of
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the Internet.
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Speaker 2: Which is exactly the kind of mind Google was hoarding
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at the time, Oh for sure. So from two thousand
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and four to twenty ten, Lee was a staff software
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engineer at Google, and this is the era where his
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code becomes permanently embedded in the digital infrastructure we use
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every single minute.
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Speaker 1: Of the day.
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Speaker 2: Yet like what specifically, well, he was a core contributor
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to Android.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Specifically, he worked on Delvick for you listening. Dalvick was
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the process virtual machine in Google's Android operating system.
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Speaker 1: Okay, in simple terms? Why did that matter?
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Speaker 2: In simple terms? Mobile phones back then had terrible memory
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and battery life.
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Speaker 1: Oh I remember you had to charge them constantly exactly.
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Speaker 2: Dalvick was the software engine that allowed Android apps to
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run efficiently in those constrained low power environments without just
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crashing the phone completely.
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Speaker 1: That is massive, it was.
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Speaker 2: And he also co authored the Geist dependency injection framework.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I am so glad you brought up Geist, but
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we really need to translate that. What exactly is dependency injection?
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And why did it win a Jolt Award, which is
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essentially the Academy Award for Software engineering? Right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jolt Award is a huge deal. Let's use
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a culinary analogy.
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Speaker 1: I love this.
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Speaker 2: Imagine Traditional coding is like being a head chef in
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a massive restaurant. Every single time you want to cook
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a dish, you personally have to leave your station, walk
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into the pantry, find the flour, find the eggs, measure
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them out and bring them back. Before you can cook.
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Speaker 1: That sounds incredibly inefficient.
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Speaker 2: Right. In software, objects often need other objects, which are
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called dependencies to function.
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Speaker 1: Got it.
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Speaker 2: So dependency injection is like hiring a highly efficient Sioux chef.
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When the chef is ready to make the dish, the
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Sioux chef instantly hands them the exact ingredients they need
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precisely when they need them.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Lee co authored the framework that did this automatically
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Java applications at Google, literally saving developers thousands of hours
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of manual coding and drastically reducing bugs.
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Speaker 1: His work was so foundational that years later, during the
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massive multi billion dollar Oracle versus Google copyright trial over
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Java APIs, Bob Lee was literally called to the stand
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as a key.
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Speaker 2: Witness, yeah, to explain how modern software is built.
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Speaker 1: Right. He was the experts expert. But then in twenty
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ten he pivots he does. He leaves Google and joins
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a fledgling startup called Square as their chief technology officer.
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He decides he wants to completely revolutionize mobile payments.
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Speaker 2: And he did. By twenty thirteen, he architects the creation
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of cash app.
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Speaker 1: Which is just crazy to think about it.
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Speaker 2: Cash app fundamentally altered the culture of commerce. It really
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did think about it prior to its launch. Sending twenty
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dollars to a friend to split dinner bill required navigating
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your bank's clunky web portal, the worst, waiting three to
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five business days for acch clearinghouses to process the transfer,
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or you know, physically caring in cash, which nobody wanted
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to do exactly. Cash app bypassed those user experience hurdles
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by utilizing a peer to peer ledger system inidden behind
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an incredibly simple, minimalist interface.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it made the transfer of FII currency feel as
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frictionless as sending a text message.
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Speaker 2: It was so ubiquitous that it became a verb like
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all cash app.
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Speaker 1: You right. He builds his empire, leaves Square in twenty fourteen,
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and just keeps going. He becomes a heavyweight angel investor
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in companies like Clubhouse, SpaceX, Figma. When the COVID nineteen
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pandemic paralyzed the globe, he stepped in to help the
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World Health Organization build their mobile app to track the crisis.
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He was everywhere, and by twenty twenty one he is
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the chief product officer at the cryptocurrency firm mobile Coin.
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I mean, his resume is a master class and relentless
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forward momentum.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how the sources peel back the
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layers of that professional momentum, you know, to reveal a
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deeply complex personal duality.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that duality is so key to this story.
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Speaker 2: The architectural brilliance he applied to software existed alongside a
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physical and social life that was constantly operating at the
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absolute extremes.
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Speaker 1: It's a fascinating contrast. Even on a physical level, he
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had a unique trait. He was born with polydactyle, meaning
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he had at your fingers they're surgically removed during his childhood.
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But it's a small biological detail that speaks to his
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uniqueness from day one. But the real duality was in
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how he lived his life. He was married to a
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woman named Christa, and they had two children, Scout and Serious.
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The couple separated in twenty nineteen, which was a deeply
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painful year for Lee because he also lost his mother.
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Speaker 2: That's a lot of loss at once, it is.
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Speaker 1: And following that loss, his father moved into the family
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home in the Bay Area. Eventually, in late twenty twenty two,
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Lee relocated to Miami to live with his father. While
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his ex wife and children remained in California.
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Speaker 2: Yet, and this is important, the consensus among his inner circle,
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his ex wife, and his children is incredibly uniform, despite
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the physical distance of the Miami relocation. He was a
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fiercely dedicated present father. The reporting details a man who
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was constantly on video calls, helping with homework, flying back
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across the country for school events, and just maintaining a
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profound emotional anchor for his kids.
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Speaker 1: Right, But the reporting also details the other side of
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the kind, the Silicon Valley work hard, party hard ethos.
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Speaker 2: Yes it does.
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Speaker 1: Let me play Devil's advocate here, because the media absolutely
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ran wild with his social habits after his death.
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Speaker 2: Oh they definitely did.
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Speaker 1: The sources explicitly detail heavy recreational drug use and participation
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in a very elite, high octane party scene. So how
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do we reconcile the reliable, dedicated father with the guy
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operating in those high risk environments.
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Speaker 2: You reconcile it by looking at the psychological conditioning of
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the tech industry itself.
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Speaker 1: Okay, unpacked that for me.
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Speaker 2: Visionaries in that echelon are compensated astronomically, specifically because they
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refuse to knowledge boundaries, right, They are trained to look
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at a lock store, or a regulated banking system or
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a technical limitation and completely dismantle it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, disrupt everything exactly.
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Speaker 2: In their professional lives, the word no is treated as
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a bug to be patched.
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Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.
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Speaker 2: And the sources, particularly Lucas's book, suggests that this boundless
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mindset inevitably bled into his personal lives. Yeah, when your
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entire identity is built on invulnerability and dismantling rules the
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traditional boundaries of personal risk management, like avoiding heavy stimulants
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or volatile social circles, they start to look like optional
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guidelines rather than necessary firewalls.
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Speaker 1: That concept of invulnerability is exactly what primed the public
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for the massive misunderstanding of his death. The narrative was
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hijacked before anyone even had the facts.
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Speaker 2: Oh, the immediate aftermath of April fourth is a masterclass
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in confirmation bias totally. San Francisco at that time was
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the subject of intense national scrutiny. The media narrative was
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entirely focused on a doom loop of visible street disorder,
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property crime, and failing urban policies.
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Speaker 1: So when the news drops that a tech billionaire was
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stabbed to death on a dark street. The information vacuum
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is instantaneously filled with the assumption of a random, unprovoked
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mugging by a transient person. Yep, high profile figures poured
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gasoline on this fire. Elon Musk tweeted about the killing,
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framing it as definitive proof of San Francisco's violent decline
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and openly criticizing the district attorney.
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Speaker 2: It became a political weapon.
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Speaker 1: Overnight, It really did. And why do we do this?
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We live in an era where data and fact technologies
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Bob Lee literally helped invent, yet society immediately defaulted to
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its pre existing biases.
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Speaker 2: It is a neurological shortcut. Our brains seek patterns that
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validate our existing worldviews. If you are already convinced that
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a specific city is collapsing into anarchy, and you are
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handed a data point a minute citizen murdered on the street,
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your brain bypasses the critical requirement for an investigation.
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Speaker 1: You just accept the event as absolute confirmation of the narrative.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, however, while the political commentators were screaming about urban
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decay on social media, the homicide detectives were looking at
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the actual physical evidence.
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Speaker 1: And the evidence was glaringly inconsistent with a random street
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robbery exactly.
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Speaker 2: Let's look at the mechanics of the crime scene. The
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victim's wallet was untouched, his phone was still with him.
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A random mugger operating on the street doesn't usually execute
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a targeted lethal strike to the heart and leave the
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valuables behind.
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Speaker 1: No, they don't. The murder forced an incredibly uncomfortable reckoning
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within the tech elite, precisely because it dismantled their narrative.
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Speaker 2: It proved that the true danger to this specific subset
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of society wasn't coming from the disenfranchised populations on the sidewalk.
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The threat was intimately familiar. It was someone sitting across
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from them in their own luxury condominiums.
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Speaker 1: Which means we need to rewind the clock and examine
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the twenty four hours leading up to the murder. We
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have to map out this web of excess. Yeah, we do,
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and it starts on a surprisingly tender note. On the
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afternoon of April three, twenty twenty three, Bob Lee is
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in San Francisco, specifically to see his kids.
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Speaker 2: He attends his daughter Scouts school production of high school musical,
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and the accounts of this afternoon describe a very proud father.
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He finds her after the performance, pulls her into a
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tight hug, and tells her how proud he is of her.
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It is a vital detail to remember because that moment
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of genuine parental warmth was the last time she would
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ever see him alive.
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Speaker 1: It's just devastating. Following the play, the evening shifts gears rapidly.
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Lee reintegrates into his social circles, diving back into the
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elite San Francisco scene, and the absolute center of gravity
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for the events of this night is a woman named
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Kazar Momenti.
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Speaker 2: Who also uses the name Kazar Iliasnia.
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Speaker 1: Right, let's establish the players here. Kazar lives in a
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sprawling luxury condominium in Millennium Tower, which is one of
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the most prestigious security heavy buildings in the city. Definitely,
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she is married to a highly successful plastic surgeon, but
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multiple sources confirmed this was an open marriage.
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Speaker 2: And within the parameters of that open arrangement, she maintained
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a casual sexual relationship with Bob Lee. Okay, they navigated
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the same overlapping, highly affluent social circles and to understand
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the dynamics of this group. We have to define what
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the sources call the lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: Wait, let me stop you there, because in the weeks
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following the arrest, the tabloids and internet sleuths were screaming
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about a secret tech sex cult. Oh, I know, did
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the police uncover some formalized eyes wide shut organization operating
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in the Millennium Tower? Like? What is the actual reality
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of the lifestyle?
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Speaker 2: The reality as meticulously detailed in Last Night in San
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Francisco is far less cinematic and far more volatile. Okay,
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there was no formal cult. There were no secret societies
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or blood oaths. The lifestyle refers to an informal but
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highly insular scene characterized by heavy recreational drug use, casual
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and fluid sexual encounters, and a countercultural aesthetic heavily influenced
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by the Burning Man Festival. Oh okay, it was a
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space where highly successful individuals essentially suspended the traditional societal
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rules regarding fidelity, sobriety, and personal boundaries.
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Speaker 1: It's an environment that strips away social friction exactly. Here's
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where it gets really interesting, though, when you combine practically
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unlimited financial resources with heavy party drugs and completely blurred
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relationship boundaries. You are setting up a sociological chemistry experiment
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with absolutely zero safety protocol.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what it was.
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Speaker 1: You are locking highly reactive elements in a pressurized room.
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Eventually something is going to spark, and that spark was
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struck during a gathering on the afternoon of April third, right.
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Speaker 2: Kazar attended to gathering that afternoon, and one of the
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other tendes was a man named Jeremy Boyven. According to
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Kazar's subsequent testimony, it was actually Bob Lee who had
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originally introduced her to Boyvin, a man she explicitly described
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as a drug dealer.
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Speaker 1: The accounts of this specific afternoon are chaotic and fiercely contested,
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primarily because of the substances involved. Yeah, heavily contested. Kazar
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testified under oath that she consumed an absolutely staggering cocktail
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of drugs. We're talking cocaine, nitrous oxide commonly known as whippets, LSD,
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and GHB H. She alleged that Boyven supplied the LSD
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and the GHB.
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Speaker 2: We need to understand the physiological impact of GHB here.
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Speaker 1: Please explain.
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Speaker 2: Gemma hydroxybutterrate is a central nervous system depressant. In heavy
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recreational doses, it doesn't just lower inhibitions. It can cause
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profound muscle relaxation to the point of temporary physical paralysis.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, while the user remains semi conscious.
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Speaker 1: And that biological state is crucial to Kazar's allegations. She
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testified that while she was under the influence of these substances,
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specifically noting that her pants were down and she was
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physically paralyzed and unable to move, Boyvin sexually assaulted her
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by slapping your buttocks. Now. Boyvin vehemently denied this characterization.
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He claimed it was a casual interaction and alleged that
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they engaged in a consensual physical relationship later.
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Speaker 2: But the objective truth of Boyven's intent almost doesn't matter
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to the chain of events. What matters is that Khazar
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felt deeply violated, and the critical point of friction that
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emerges is Bob Lee's proximity to this.
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Speaker 1: Event, right because he introduced Boyvin to the circle.
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Speaker 2: Exactly how much did he know? Was he complicit?
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Speaker 1: That underlying tension carries us into the early hours of
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April fourth, is now just after midnight surveillance cameras at
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the Millennium Tower capture Bob Lee arriving at Kazar's condominium.
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He stays for roughly an hour.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: When he exits the building and walks back out into
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the view of the lobby cameras, he is accompanied by
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Kazzar's brother, Nimo Momenti.
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Speaker 2: And we really need to look at who Nima Momenti is.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because up until this moment we have a cast
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of elite soft for engineers and prominent surgeons. Where does
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Nima fit into this ecosystem.
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Speaker 2: Nima's background is a stark contrast to Bob Lee's trajectory.
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I was born in Tehran, Iran, in nineteen eighty four.
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Nima endured a highly abusive childhood at the hands of
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his father Oh Wow. At the age of fourteen, he
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fled the country with his mother and his sister, Kazar,
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immigrating to the United States.
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Speaker 1: That's a heavy background.
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Speaker 2: Because they survived that trauma together. Nima developed an intensely,
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almost obsessively protective bond over Kazar. That makes sense professionally,
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he was not operating in the stratosphere of Silicon Valley.
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He had worked in Texans two thousand and five. But
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he was running a small it consulting firm out of
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Emeryville that the sources describe as struggling financially.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so very different tax bracket.
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Speaker 2: He was adjacent to extreme wealth, largely through his sister,
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but he was not a Titan himself.
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Speaker 1: So just after one am, Bob Lee and Nima Momeni
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get into Nima's pristine white BMW. They drive a very
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short distance from the Millennium Tower to that isolated stretch
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of rink On Hill near the Bay Bridge. Yeah, it's
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an area dominated by concrete infrastructure, totally devoid of foot
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traffic at that hour.
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Speaker 2: And this is where the prosecution's forensic narrative reconstructs the violence.
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Speaker 1: What do they say happened?
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Speaker 2: According to the evidence, Before leaving his sister's apartment, Nima
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Momeni armed himself.
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Speaker 1: He brought a weapon.
21:23
Speaker 2: He went into Khazar's kitchen and took a three point
21:26
five inch pairing knife.
21:27
Speaker 1: A pairing knife, okay.
21:28
Speaker 2: Once they are out on the dark street, the confrontation
21:31
escalated from verbal to lethal. Nima attacks Lee with the knife,
21:36
plunging the blade into him three times. God one strike
21:39
hits Lee in the hip, the other two are directed
21:42
at his chest.
21:43
Speaker 1: A three point five inch blade might sound small compared
21:46
to like a hunting knife, but anatomically it is devastating.
21:50
It really is one of those strikes penetrates deeply enough
21:54
to puncture Bob Lee's heart. It compromises the structural integrity
21:58
of the organ, causing massive internal hamorrhaging.
22:01
Speaker 2: There is a distant, grainy security camera that captures the
22:05
physical mechanics of the struggle.
22:07
Speaker 1: Oh the camera footage, Yeah.
22:08
Speaker 2: It shows two figures standing near the white BMW. Suddenly
22:12
there's a rapid, violent lunge. One figure staggers backward. The
22:16
other figure then walks deliberately over to a chain link
22:18
fence and throws an object over it into a Caltrans
22:22
parking lot the night exactly. The white BMW then speeds
22:26
away into the night. It's hazard lights flashing, leaving Bob
22:30
Lee bleeding out.
22:31
Speaker 1: Which brings us full circle to that devastating nine to
22:34
one one call we talked about at the beginning. Yeah,
22:36
Lee manages to stagger up the street, leaving a thick
22:39
trail of blood. He collapses outside the port Side apartments
22:42
at four ZHO three Main Street. The paramedics arrive they
22:46
initiate advanced life support protocols. But you cannot field dress
22:50
punctured heart.
22:51
Speaker 2: No, you can't.
22:53
Speaker 1: Now I have to ask about the autopsy because when
22:55
the toxicology report was leaked, it threatened to hijack the
22:59
narrative all over again.
23:00
Speaker 2: The toxicology report revealed a complex chemical landscape in Lee's bloodstream.
23:06
Speaker 1: What was in his system?
23:07
Speaker 2: The medical examiner found alcohol, cocaine, ketamine, and a specific
23:11
substance called cocathalline.
23:13
Speaker 1: Okay, let's define cocathleene because it's not something you just
23:15
go by on the street. It's something your body manufactures.
23:17
Speaker 2: Right, correct, correct. Cocathleene is a metabolite formed exclusively in
23:21
the liver when a person consumes cocaine and ethanol alcohol simultaneously.
23:26
It is highly indicative of prolonged party environments. What's insidious
23:30
about cocathleene is that it has a longer half life
23:33
than cocaine, and it is significantly more cardiotoxic.
23:37
Speaker 1: Meaning it hurts the heart.
23:38
Speaker 2: Right. It places a massive strain on the cardiovascular system.
23:41
Speaker 1: I want to be incredibly explicit about this, Based directly
23:44
on the medical examiner's testimony, those chemical compounds did not
23:49
kill Bob Lee.
23:50
Speaker 2: No, they didn't.
23:51
Speaker 1: The defense and the media tried to leverage the toxicology
23:55
to paint him as a man on the verge of
23:57
a self induced heart attack, but the autopsy is mathematically objective.
24:01
Speaker 2: The levels of narcotics were not at lethal thresholds.
24:04
Speaker 1: Exactly. He died because a piece of sharp and steel
24:07
was forcefully inserted into his chest cavity. The blade caused
24:10
the exanguination, the lifestyle did not.
24:13
Speaker 2: The physiological cause of death was air tight, but the
24:16
investigative puzzle was just beginning, right, Because if you are
24:18
a San Francisco homicide detective standing over a body on
24:22
a deserted street with no eyewitnesses and a victim who
24:25
cannot speak, how do you mathematically connect that scene to
24:28
an IT consultant living across the bay?
24:31
Speaker 1: Okay, so what was the first domino? Because the public
24:34
panic about a random serial killer roaming the streets was
24:37
at a fever pitch. Absolutely, but quietly, the police arrested
24:41
Nemo Mamenti at his home in Emoryville just nine days later,
24:45
on April thirteenth, twenty twenty three.
24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, only nine days.
24:49
Speaker 1: Nine days is an incredibly compressed timeline to build a
24:52
murder case from scratch. How did they do it?
24:55
Speaker 2: They executed a dual track investigation, merging physical forensics with
24:59
digital network analysis.
25:01
Speaker 1: Break that down.
25:02
Speaker 2: Physically, they started with the grainy footage of the lunge.
25:05
They tracked the trajectory of the object thrown over the fence,
25:08
searched the cow translot, and recovered the murder weapon, the
25:12
three point five inch pairing knife.
25:14
Speaker 1: The DNA analysis on that knife was the smoking gun,
25:17
wasn't it it was.
25:18
Speaker 2: They swabbed the handle and found touch DNA, which is
25:20
what exactly touch DNA's the microscopic skin cells left behind
25:23
when someone grips an object tightly, and that was a
25:26
near certain match for Nima momente.
25:28
Speaker 1: Wow.
25:29
Speaker 2: They also swabbed the blade, which was coated in blood,
25:31
and it matched bobbly unbelievable. They then utilized the city's
25:36
network of traffic and security cameras to trace the white
25:39
BMW backward from Ringkon Hill, arriving at the Millennium Tower lobby.
25:44
Footage showing the two men leaving together.
25:47
Speaker 1: But physical evidence only establishes the who and the how.
25:51
To secure a first degree murder charge, investigators needed the
25:54
why right.
25:55
Speaker 2: They needed motive and intent, and that is.
25:57
Speaker 1: Where the digital footprints completely cracked the case. Why open. First,
26:01
a highly specific, anonymous tip was called in to the
26:04
police and simultaneously sent to Lee's ex wife Christa.
26:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. That tip was crucial.
26:09
Speaker 1: The tipster explicitly directed investigators to check the Millennium Tower
26:13
security footage and added a chilling caveat they expressed fear
26:18
that they might be targeted and stabbed.
26:20
Speaker 2: Next, which proves that individuals within this highly insular social
26:23
circle were acutely aware of the violent volatility that had
26:27
been brewing exactly.
26:28
Speaker 1: But the most damning evidence came from the cell phone data.
26:31
Speaker 2: Always the phones always.
26:34
Speaker 1: When investigators extracted the data from Bob Lee's phone, they
26:37
found a text message sent by Kazar to Lee after
26:41
the stabbing had occurred, but presumably before Kazar realized Lee
26:44
was dead. The text read, just wanted to make sure
26:48
you're doing okay because I know Nima came way down
26:51
hard on you.
26:51
Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, came way
26:54
down hard on you. That single sentence fragments the mystery.
26:58
It does it proves Kazar I knew her brother was
27:01
harboring intense aggression toward Lee. Investigators then subpoenaed the broader
27:05
phone network records and discovered that hours prior to the murder,
27:09
Nima and Bob Lee had engaged in a highly confrontational
27:13
phone call.
27:14
Speaker 1: Who are they arguing about?
27:16
Speaker 2: Nima was interrogating Lee about the events of the afternoon gathering.
27:19
He wanted to know exactly what kind of inappropriate drugs
27:22
his sister had been given, who had given them to her,
27:24
and what role Lee played in exposing her to that danger.
27:27
Speaker 1: If we step back and look at the architecture of
27:30
this investigation, the irony is almost suffocating.
27:33
Speaker 2: It really is.
27:34
Speaker 1: Bob Lely dedicated his genius to engineering systems for instant
27:37
digital connectivity. He built the Android virtual machine that allowed
27:41
mobile devices to constantly ping cell towers and transmit data YEP.
27:45
He built cash app to ensure that every human interaction
27:48
involving money left in a mutable digital ledger, and ultimately
27:53
it was that exact digital infrastructure. The cell tower pings,
27:58
the text message time stamps, the digital surveillance networks that
28:01
mapped his final hours and captured his killer.
28:04
Speaker 2: He unknowingly coded the forensic tools that solved his own murder.
28:08
Speaker 1: It is a profound paradox.
28:09
Speaker 2: The tools he created to render the world transparent were
28:12
the exact tools required to illuminate his death. With the
28:16
digital and physical evidence locked in, Nima Momeni is arrested,
28:19
he cleads not guilty, and the machinery of the justice
28:22
system grinds toward a trial.
28:24
Speaker 1: And that trial, which commenced in October twenty twenty four,
28:28
was a spectacle that gripped the entire tech industry.
28:31
Speaker 2: Oh it was a media circus.
28:32
Speaker 1: It lasted seven grueling weeks. The court room essentially became
28:35
an amphitheater where the most guarded, intimate secrets of San
28:38
Francisco's elite were projected onto a screen for the world
28:40
to scrutinize.
28:41
Speaker 2: Cazarmomeni was compelled to take the witness stand under oath.
28:45
She had to detail the specifics of her open marriage,
28:48
her extensive recreational drug use, and the harrowing specifics of
28:53
the alleged sexual assault by the drug dealer Boyven that.
28:56
Speaker 1: It must have been incredibly difficult.
28:58
Speaker 2: She adamantly maintained that she had absolutely no prior knowledge
29:03
that her brother intended to harm Bob Lee.
29:05
Speaker 1: However, the prosecution relentlessly chipped away at her narrative.
29:08
Speaker 2: They did.
29:09
Speaker 1: They introduced digital forensic evidence proving that in the frantic
29:13
days immediately following the murder, Kazar had executed Internet searches
29:17
on her devices, specifically looking up how to erase an iPhone,
29:22
which from an investigative standpoint, screams consciousness of guilt or
29:26
an active attempt to destroy evidence related to her brother.
29:29
Speaker 2: As the trial progressed, the jury was asked to reconcile
29:32
two entirely contradictory realities regarding what happened next to that
29:35
White BMW.
29:37
Speaker 1: Let's hear the prosecution side first.
29:39
Speaker 2: The prosecution laid out a compelling case for premeditated first
29:42
degree murder. They argued that Nima Momeni was acting as
29:46
a lethal vigilante. He believed his deeply vulnerable sister had
29:50
been drugged and assaulted by a dealer that Bob Lee
29:53
had recklessly introduced into her life.
29:56
Speaker 1: The prosecution's timeline is clinical, They argued. Nima didn't just
29:59
sna in the heat of an argument. He went into
30:01
his sister's kitchen. He actively selected a weapon, he concealed it.
30:06
He then drove his victim to a dark, isolated environment,
30:10
perfectly suited for an ambush. He executed the stabbing, purposefully
30:15
disposed of the weapon to thwart an investigation, and drove away,
30:19
leaving a dying man on the street. They argued that
30:22
the sequence of events arming, isolating, executing, fleeing is the
30:26
textbook definition of premeditation.
30:29
Speaker 2: But the defense counter narrative sounded like it was describing
30:31
an entirely different event in an alternate universe, completely different
30:35
and in a massive, highly calculated legal risk. Nima Momeni
30:39
actually took the stand to testify in his own defense.
30:42
Speaker 1: I want to highlight how rare and dangerous that is.
30:45
Defense attorneys disguise putting their clients on the stand in
30:48
a murder trial, because it opens them up to unrestrained
30:51
cross examination by the state. You are throwing your client
30:54
to the wolves and hoping they don't get eaten. Why
30:56
did he do it?
30:57
Speaker 2: Because it was the only way to introduce their specific
31:01
theory of self defense.
31:02
Speaker 1: How did he claim it was self defense?
31:04
Speaker 2: Nima testified that the drive to Rinkin Hill was entirely benign.
31:08
He claimed they weren't seeking isolation for a murder. There
31:11
were just two guys driving around doing cocaine and nitrous oxide,
31:14
trying to decide which strip club to visit next. Okay,
31:17
he painted Bob Lee not as a victim, but as
31:20
an erratic, sleep deprived man fueled by a massive cocktail
31:24
of narcotics.
31:25
Speaker 1: According to Nima's testimony under oath, the catalyst wasn't his sister,
31:29
it was a spilled beverage.
31:31
Speaker 2: A spilled beer.
31:32
Speaker 1: He claimed Lee spilled a beer inside the pristine white
31:36
BMW and then bizarrely pulled out a knife to use
31:39
the blade to snort a bump of.
31:41
Speaker 2: Cocaine, which is just a wild detail.
31:43
Speaker 1: Nima claimed he essentially played the responsible friend, telling Lee
31:47
he needed to calm down, stop acting recklessly, and go
31:50
home to spend time with his family.
31:51
Speaker 2: And according to the defense, this mild reprimand sent Lee
31:55
into a drug induced rage. Nima testified that Lee suddenly
31:58
lunged at him with the knife. Nima claims he reacted
32:02
purely on instinct, grabbing Lee's arm to deflect the attack,
32:05
and then what He argued that in the chaotic hydrenaline struggle,
32:09
he inadvertently redirected the knife, causing it to plunge into
32:13
Lee's own chest.
32:14
Speaker 1: I had a really hard time wrapping my head around
32:16
the physics of that, like a self inflicted stab wound.
32:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough sell.
32:20
Speaker 1: And what was his justification for driving away and leaving
32:22
him to die?
32:24
Speaker 2: Nima testified that he didn't realize Lee was catastrophically injured.
32:27
He claimed he threw the knife over the fence simply
32:30
to disarm a dangerous man and end the immediate threat. Wow,
32:34
and then drove off thinking it was just a physical
32:37
scuffle that got out of hand.
32:39
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean. It's like looking at
32:42
the exact same string of code, but the prosecution is
32:44
reading it in Python, where it executes perfectly as a
32:48
premeditated murder plot, and the defense is reading it in
32:51
C plus plus where it reads as a catastrophic tragic
32:55
system error of self defense.
32:57
Speaker 2: That's a really good analogy.
32:58
Speaker 1: The jury's job was to figure out which language reality
33:02
was actually coded in. After absorbing seven weeks of this dense,
33:07
contradictory testimony, they retreated to the deliberation room, and they
33:11
stayed there for seven full days.
33:13
Speaker 2: Seven days of deliberation is an eternity in the judicial system,
33:17
It really is. It indicates deep fractured debates over the
33:20
nuances of the law. Finally, on December seventeenth, twenty twenty four,
33:25
they returned with a verdict. They explicitly rejected Nimo Momenti's
33:30
self defense claim. They did not believe the story about
33:33
the spilled beer, the cocaine knife, or the accidental self stabbing.
33:36
Speaker 1: But crucially, they also acquitted him a first degree murder.
33:40
Speaker 2: Yes, they did.
33:41
Speaker 1: They determined the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable
33:44
doubt that Nima had formed a deliberate, calculated plan to
33:47
kill before the altercation began. Instead, they convicted him a
33:50
second degree murder. We need to define second degree murder
33:53
in California because it hinges on a concept called implied malice.
33:57
Speaker 2: Implied malice means that the defendant intention only committed an
34:00
act whose natural consequences are dangerous to human life, knowing
34:04
the act was dangerous, and acting with a conscious disregard
34:07
for that danger.
34:08
Speaker 1: Okay, so they knew it could kill him.
34:10
Speaker 2: Yes. The jury essentially sliced through the dramatic, cinematic narratives
34:14
presented by both legal teams and anchored their decision to
34:18
the absolute mechanical truth of the physical evidence.
34:21
Speaker 1: Right, You cannot accidentally stab a man three times in
34:24
two different areas of his body. Right. The knife came
34:27
from Khazar's kitchen, Nima's DNA was on the handle exactly.
34:31
One of the stab wounds was in the back of
34:33
Lee's hip, which completely contradicts the physics of a face
34:36
to face struggle over a weapon. The jury concluded that
34:40
in the heat of an argument, Nima intentionally utilized lethal
34:44
force with a conscious disregard for Lee's life. Yeah, he
34:47
meant to kill him in that moment, even if he
34:50
hadn't planned it hours in advance.
34:52
Speaker 2: That conviction carries a mandatory sentence of fifteen years to
34:55
life in state prison, often calculated as sixteen years when
34:59
factoring in the use of a deadly weapon. By all
35:01
standard legal metrics, December twenty twenty four should have marked
35:04
the conclusion of the saga. It should have provided the
35:07
definitive punctuation mark that allowed the grieving families to begin
35:11
processing their trauma.
35:12
Speaker 1: But it didn't, And this brings us to the most
35:14
infuriating aspect of this timeline. It is now July twenty
35:19
twenty six.
35:20
Speaker 2: Let that sink. In July twenty twenty six.
35:22
Speaker 1: It has been more than eighteen agonizing months since the
35:25
jury foreman read the word guilty, and unbelievably, Nima momenti
35:29
has still not been sentenced. No, he is sitting in
35:32
a county jail facility in an endless state of legal limbo.
35:36
Speaker 2: The reason for this delay is not some complex legal strategy.
35:40
It is a catastrophic failure of civic administration.
35:43
Speaker 1: Wait, really, what's the hold up?
35:45
Speaker 2: Following the conviction, Nima overhauled his legal team. His new
35:49
attorneys have signaled their intent to file emotion for a
35:51
new trial, arguing that procedural errors or ineffective council occurred
35:56
during the first trial.
35:57
Speaker 1: Okay, standard procedure.
35:58
Speaker 2: However, under the law, they cannot file that motion until
36:01
they have thoroughly reviewed the official certified transcripts of the
36:04
entire seven week trial.
36:05
Speaker 1: And those transcripts literally do not exist.
36:08
Speaker 2: They don't.
36:08
Speaker 1: San Francisco, much like many municipal jurisdictions, right now, is
36:13
suffering from a crippling shortage of certified court reporters. The
36:17
sheer volume of spoken testimony generated over seven weeks, combined
36:22
with administrative backlogs and severe understaffing, has stalled the production
36:26
of the documents.
36:27
Speaker 2: That's absurd.
36:28
Speaker 1: The machinery of justice hasn't been outsmarted, it is simply
36:32
missing the basic bureaucratic gears required to turn.
36:35
Speaker 2: This raises an important question about the structural disparities in
36:38
our society. Meck, what look at the two distinct worlds
36:41
colliding in this narrative. On one hand, you have the
36:44
world Bob Lee inhabited and helped build Silicon Valley, an
36:48
ecosystem governed by the ethos of move fast and break
36:52
things right instant gratification exactly, a world where complex financial
36:56
transactions occur globally in milliseconds and software code isted and
37:00
deployed overnight. On the other hand, you have the American
37:03
criminal justice system, an agonizingly slow, fundamentally broken bureaucracy that
37:08
relies on a human court reporter typing out transcripts over
37:12
a period of years to finalize a single event.
37:14
Speaker 1: And while the criminal case is frozen in this bureaucratic amber,
37:18
a parallel, incredibly aggressive war has erupted in the civil courts.
37:22
Speaker 2: It has.
37:23
Speaker 1: In March twenty twenty five, Bob Lee's family transition from
37:27
waiting for justice to actively pursuing it. They filed a
37:31
comprehensive civil wrongful death lawsuit, and they expanded the battlefield significantly.
37:36
They didn't just sue the.
37:37
Speaker 2: Convicted killer, No, they sued the entire ecosystem. They named
37:42
Nima Momeni, his sister Kazar, Kazar's husband Dino Eliasnia, and
37:47
Nima and Kazar's mother Manas Tayrani as defendants whole family.
37:51
The lawsuit alleges negligence, wrongful death, and a coordinated conspiracy.
37:56
Speaker 1: The allegations are highly specific and deeply personal. His family
38:00
alleges that the Mommani family actively colluded to protect Nima
38:03
in the days following the murder. They allege that family
38:06
members deliberately attempted to hide crucial evidence, specifically pointing to
38:10
efforts to conceal the white BMW to keep it out
38:13
of the hands of homicide detectives while Nima.
38:16
Speaker 2: Was still a free man and the MoManI family is
38:18
not retreating, not at all. Nima has filed counter lawsuits
38:21
against various media organizations claiming defamation and intentional infliction of
38:26
emotional distress based on how the press reported on his
38:29
background and his sister's lifestyle. It is a sprawling, multi
38:33
front legal war of attrition.
38:35
Speaker 1: The friction generated by those two worlds colliding is immense,
38:40
and the people caught and crushed in the gears of
38:42
that friction are the victim's families.
38:45
Speaker 2: They are the ones paying the price.
38:46
Speaker 1: Christa Leezak's wife has publicly and repeatedly condemned this delay,
38:51
referring to it as a cruel waiting game. Even the
38:55
district Attorney, Brooke Jenkins, has expressed sheer exasperation at the
38:58
court's inability to finalize the case, because without a formal sentencing,
39:03
there is no psychological finality. There is no official terminus
39:06
to the tronal.
39:07
Speaker 2: We must absolutely center the human cost here because it
39:09
is profound and irreversible. Beyond the headlines and the legal maneuvering,
39:13
the true victims of this tragedy are the children. Scout
39:16
and Sirius lost their father in the most violent, public,
39:19
and endlessly scrutinized way imaginable.
39:21
Speaker 1: The psychological endurance required of them during the trial is staggering.
39:26
Scout has bravely spoken publicly about the agonizing reality of
39:29
sitting in that courtroom.
39:30
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.
39:31
Speaker 1: She described the persistent haunting ringing in her ears that
39:34
developed after having to listen to the unredacted audio of
39:37
her father's nine to one one call played through the
39:40
courtroom speakers. She had to sit in a room with
39:43
the man who killed him and listen to her father
39:45
beg for his life on a continuous loop.
39:48
Speaker 2: Her brother, Sirius, has spoken about the visceral physical shock
39:52
of watching the security footage. Right he had to watch
39:54
the man who protected him his father, Stagger, collapse and
39:58
die on a dark street, Analyzed frame by frame by attorneys.
40:03
It's just sickening and compounding the trauma of the evidence
40:06
was the defense's relentless strategy of character assassination, attempting to
40:11
distill Boblee's entire complex life down to the caricature of
40:15
a reckless, out of control drug addict.
40:17
Speaker 1: But they fiercely pushed back against that narrative. They refuse
40:20
to allow the defense attorneys of the tabloid media to
40:23
define Bob Lee solely by his worst moments. Good for them,
40:27
they constantly reiterated through their grief that he was a brilliant,
40:31
deeply loving, and incredibly present parent, and remarkably, Scout channeled
40:37
that devastating grief into actionable change. She founded a nonprofit
40:42
organization called Beacons of Bereavement, operating under the acronym BOB,
40:47
honoring her father.
40:49
Speaker 2: It is a remarkable initiative born from profound pain, It
40:52
really is. The organization is specifically designed to provide therapy,
40:56
emotional support, and crucial court related mental health resources for
41:01
other families of homicide victims who are suddenly forced to
41:04
navigate the labyrinth of the criminal justice system and the
41:07
trauma of a highly public trial.
41:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, she took the absolute worst nightmare daughter could experience
41:13
and engineered a support system to help others survive it.
41:16
Speaker 2: We also have to acknowledge the complete devastation on the
41:18
other side.
41:19
Speaker 1: Of the courtroom. Yeah, the more Mini family.
41:21
Speaker 2: The Momenti family is fractured entirely. Nima's mother has steadfastly
41:25
defended her son publicly, insisting he possessed a kind nature
41:29
and had never exhibited violent tendencies before. Even while acknowledging
41:33
his struggles. Kazar had the most intimate, deeply guarded secrets
41:37
of her life, her drug dependencies, the mechanics of her
41:40
open marriage, her sexual traumas con sected and broadcast by
41:44
the global press. It's brutal and the pending civil lawsuits
41:47
guarantee that these two families will remain locked in bitter
41:50
combat for the foreseeable future.
41:52
Speaker 1: When you step back and evaluate the broader cultural reckoning
41:55
triggered by this case, particularly through the lens of the
41:58
investigative reporting in Last Night in San Francisco, it operates
42:02
as a devastating cautionary tale.
42:04
Speaker 2: It systematically dismantles the mythology of the tech utopia, the.
42:07
Speaker 1: Tech industry sole society, a promise that sheer intelligence, relentless optimization,
42:14
and massive wealth would eventually elevate human behavior. But this
42:18
tragedy proved that unchecked excess, a steady flow of powerful
42:22
chemical stimulants, and a social environment that actively celebrates the
42:26
dismantling of personal boundaries can violently override any level of
42:30
intelligence or financial success. Bobley wasn't killed by a sinister,
42:35
secret sex cult. He was killed by a terrifyingly mundane,
42:39
tragic cocktail of male ego, narcotics, and a cheap knife
42:43
pulled from a kitchen drawer.
42:44
Speaker 2: It is a stark, necessary truth. You can iterate software
42:49
to remove bugs, but the fundamental vulnerabilities of being human, rage, jealousy, impulsivity.
42:56
They cannot be innovated away.
42:59
Speaker 1: Exactly so to you listening right now. The core takeaway
43:02
from this deep dive is chillingly simple. Brilliance wealth and
43:06
elite social status cannot build a firewall against basic human emotions.
43:11
Speaker 2: No, they can't.
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Speaker 1: You cannot out engineer jealousy. You cannot code a patch
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for catastrophic judgment when you are operating under the influence
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of heavy narcotics. This story is a harsh, glaring reminder
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to relentlessly evaluate the environments you choose to step into
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and the people you allowed across the threshold of your
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inner circle.
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Speaker 2: Because the higher you climb, the further you can fall.
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Speaker 1: And the safety nets you assume are in place, your
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bank account, your influence, your reputation, they instantly evaporate the
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moment the violence becomes physical. I want to leave you
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with a final thought, tom all Over, a concept that
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lingers long after the trial transcripts are finally printed and
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the cell door's locked to Bob Lee spent his entire
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professional existence engineering tools to eradicate friction from human interaction.
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He built frameworks to make the transfer of complex data
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across global networks utterly seamless m HM. He built cash
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app so that the transfer of wealth between two individuals
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would be instantaneous, completely devoid of the traditional friction of
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banking hours, geographical distance, and bureaucratic delays. He dedicated his
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genius to making connection immediate.
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Speaker 2: He really did.
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Speaker 1: Yet, in his final most desperate moments on that San
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Francisco sidewalk, the most fundamental human transaction of all, the
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simple act of one human being saving a dying man's life,
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was completely thwarted by friction. Wow. There was the physical
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friction of the distance to a trauma center. There was
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the temporal friction of the late hour and the silence
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of a sleeping city. There was the social friction of
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the driver who stared at a bleeding man and chose
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to pull away instead of helping. And there was the
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ultimate fatal friction, the failure of the people within his
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own exclusive inner circle to protect him from harm.
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Speaker 2: That's a heavy thought, it is.
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Speaker 1: It leads you to a wonder. As we continue to
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dedicate our brightest minds to engineering a world of absolute
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digital immediacy, where data and money flow without the slightest resistance,
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are we inadvertently building physical and social architectures that leave
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us profoundly, fatally alone when we need each other the most.