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Episode #105: New YouTube Rules & Garlic Targeted · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna remove cancer treatment misinformation.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what they say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Starting today and ramping up in coming weeks, we will begin removing content that promotes cancer treatments proven to be harmful or ineffective.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it goes on to say, for instance, a video that claims garlic cures cancer or take vitamin C instead of radiation therapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: These would be removed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi everybody, welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels with yours truly, Joel Salatin, the farmer, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sina McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we're going to dig in a little bit to some of the changing landscape around the health and wellness narrative.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's well aware of the pushback within the medical establishment of unorthodox stories, unorthodox experiments.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're definitely seeing that kind of pushback in all the different social media uh platforms as well as you know um government agencies, that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so uh with that regard, um we wanted to dig in a little bit to the actual healing properties of garlic and especially how it relates to some of the censorship and some of the pushback within the medical community happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and garlic is just one of many, many healing plants.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we have discussed herbs, we've discussed all sorts of things on this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean, I have my own personal you know, herb stories that are just uh dramatic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and so I'm a I'm a total believer uh in this, but the the establishment, the conventional pharma community um generally sees kind of do-it-yourself herbology as being um i i if not misinformation, even dangerous.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so so Cena's gonna walk us through some of this here and uh and and help us see where we are and um and give a little bit of uh applause to the lowly garlic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, thanks, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're diving into this episode first and foremost because we were censored again, this time by Spotify.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we have a strike against us on Spotify.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then on August 15th of this year, YouTube released what they're calling a long-term vision for YouTube's medical misinformation policies.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, so this is an update.
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  SPEAKER_01: New rules have come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, in order to use YouTube, you have to follow these guidelines.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to go over these, and you might be wondering how is YouTube related to garlic?
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  SPEAKER_01: Stick with us, and we're gonna we're gonna reveal that connection for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so according to YouTube's new policy, I have their announcement.
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  SPEAKER_01: They said this is an update on how YouTube is thinking about the future of medical misinformation policies, including removing cancer misinformation.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're saying that um in recent years, we began our effort to make YouTube a destination for high-quality health content.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we've learned critical lessons about developing community guidelines that are in line with local and global health authoritative guidance on various topics like the pandemic, all vaccines, reproductive health, harmful substances, and more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, we're taking what we've learned about the most effective ways to tackle medical misinformation to simplify our approach for creators, viewers, and partners.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of a oh, who are the partners, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And we'll more on that in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: It says moving forward, YouTube will streamline dozens of our existing medical misinformation guidelines to fall under three categories: prevention, treatment, and denial.
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  SPEAKER_01: So denial is now a whole category, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: These policies will apply to health conditions, to treatment, and to substances where the content contradicts local health authorities or the World Health Organization.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now put a pin in that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember, remember that they're um pinning this on the World Health Organization, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It has to be aligned with them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they go through prevention, treatment, and denial.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so they're giving some examples, and then they're going through um, they're gonna remove cancer treatment misinformation.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what they say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Starting today and ramping up in coming weeks, we will begin removing content that promotes cancer treatments proven to be harmful or ineffective.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it goes on to say, for instance, a video that claims garlic cures cancer or take vitamin C instead of radiation therapy, these would be removed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I read this and I thought, okay, video claims garlic can cure cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I kid you not, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_01: I already knew the beneficial effects of garlic, but just for grins and giggles, I went to PubMed and I typed in garlic and you know heals cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thousands of peer-reviewed scientific studies that have been published popped up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just printed off the first few, like I wasn't even discerning through.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just printed off the first few.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this one says um this was published in March of 2020 in biomedicine and pharmacotherapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's phytochemicals of garlic, promising candidates for cancer therapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, it says observations over the past years have shown the consumption of garlic in the diet protects against cancer risk.
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  SPEAKER_01: As early as 1958, um, Weisberger and Penske reported that diethyl thiul sulfonate from garlic inhibits sarcoma growth.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's tumors.
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  SPEAKER_01: It inhibits tumor growth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Collectively, epidemiological studies show that garlic intake is strongly associated with a reduced risk of cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Available laboratory data confirm the data confirms that garlic has effective components for killing cancer cells, killing them.
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  SPEAKER_01: That means it is getting rid of the cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then it goes on to say multiple international organizations, including the National Cancer Institute, the American Institute of Cancer Research, and the World Health Organization, have recommended that the intake of garlic in a routine diet is linked to reducing the risk of cancer, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So now, Cena, I I gotta ask this at this at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so do you think that the research that that that um that created this finding about the benefits of garlic on cancer, is that research better or worse than the research that told us if we all took an mRNA jab, uh, we wouldn't have any COVID?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um well is this comparable research?
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's actually a question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um no.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that research was obviously, you know, a very limited time frame.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, a lot of it was um funded by the pharmaceutical companies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have a second study here from 2018, anti-cancer potential of homemade fresh garlic extract.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they summarize here that the complex phytochemistry of garlic has been the subject of thousands of research papers, more than 2,000 in the last decade alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Numerous studies have confirmed the beneficial effects of garlic on the cardiovascular system, immunomodulation, and cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Multiple recent studies have even linked cancer and uh garlic intake with protective effects against a range of cancers, and the conclusion that raw garlic has health benefits is gaining momentum.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, no, this this thousand, I can say thousands and thousands of studies for decades and decades, but at least going back to the 50s, when they first realized that garlic could kill a cancer cell, it has been cumulating over all of these decades.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, no, this is a long-standing held belief in the scientific community that garlic can actually kill cancer cells.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I have another one here, um, 2018.
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  SPEAKER_01: A novel therapeutic anti-cancer property of raw garlic extract.
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  SPEAKER_01: These scientists tested two mouse models.
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  SPEAKER_01: The mice had highly aggressive malignancies that, quote, cannot yet be cured by conventional therapies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so modern medicine, radiation, you know, chemo cannot cure these.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what they did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Daily injection.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they took the garlic extract and they injected it in the mice that had cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: They did it for 21 days.
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  SPEAKER_01: It quote, completely cured all the mice of cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then they go on to say in cell culture, raw garlic extract killed a wide variety of different cancer cells, regardless of species of origin and regardless of cell type.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the garlic extract was, quote, highly specific against cancer cells.
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  SPEAKER_01: It only killed the cancer cells and left the healthy cells alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is targeted cancer therapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have another one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry, I only have two left.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna read the thousands to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but this one um 2013 autophagy therapeutic potential of garlic in human cancer therapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it says um humans have developed several high-technology therapies, such as chemotherapy, um, tomotherapy, targeted therapy, and antibody therapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, all of these therapies have their own adverse side effects.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, recent years we've seen increased attention given to natural foods.
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  SPEAKER_01: Garlic is one of the most powerful foods.
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  SPEAKER_01: It says that from many literature reviews, garlic not only induces apoptosis, right, is programmed cell death.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it causes the cells to kill themselves, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But it but also autophagy in cancer cells.
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  SPEAKER_01: That means it prevents um the cancer development by degrading the oncogenic um molecules.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the garlic, they're saying, has been well shown in the scientific literature to cause the cancer cells to die, right?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Cause cell death.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, what I found interesting, one little quick thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can see this, the top part.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a disclaimer.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the video, if you're watching the video, you might be able to see there's this box, this disclaimer box on top.
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  SPEAKER_01: This popped up, and I, you know, I'm used to looking in the scientific literature, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't familiar with this disclaimer popping up.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: This disclaimer says, as a library, NLM provides access to scientific literature.
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  SPEAKER_01: Inclusion in an NLM database does not imply endorsement of or agreement with the contents by NLM or the National Institutes of Health.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these studies are published in the National Library of Medicine, which is part of the NIH, right, which is operated by the US government.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the world's actually largest medical library.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're now having these disclaimers on top of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I clicked through some other articles, I didn't see disclaimers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not, I'm not saying that this comes from YouTube's new, you know, we're gonna, we're opposed to garlic, but I'm saying it's quite a coincidence that all of a sudden on these articles showing garlic's ability to kill cancer cells, now we have a disclaimer separating it from our national institutes of health.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we all know the National Institute of Health now, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Fauci made that famous, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're um somehow distancing themselves from it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then here's the last one that I wanted to bring up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, this is one I referenced previously.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is from 2018.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the anti-cancer potential of homemade fresh garlic extract.
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  SPEAKER_01: The reason why I like this one is because it's homemade, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: The scientists specifically said that they made a homemade remedy, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: A homemade remedy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they talk about um how garlic-based extracts have been linked to decrease the incidence of cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here they examine the molecular and cellular activities of a simple homemade ethanol-based garlic extract.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anybody could do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: They chopped up the garlic, they put it in ethanol, they stored it in the fridge for several days.
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  SPEAKER_01: They, you know, you can use like a cheeseclaw, for instance, and squeeze the run it through there to collect the solids and get the um the ethanol out of it, and then they consume the ethanol.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is what they found.
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  SPEAKER_01: We show that this um garlic extract inhibited growth of several different cancer cells in vitro as well as cancer growth in vivo in a breast cancer model.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it inhibited it in the lab and in the mouse, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: In this breast cancer model.
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  SPEAKER_00: Furthermore, so this this was taken, Cena, this was taken.
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  SPEAKER_00: You drink you drink this?
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  SPEAKER_01: So we uh if we're doing that, we would drink it for this mouse model.
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  SPEAKER_01: What they did was they gave the mouse cancer, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Breast cancer, uh, which makes me seriously sad that we do this type of research even today.
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  SPEAKER_01: But this is what they did.
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  SPEAKER_01: They gave them cancer and then they injected this garlic extract into that area where they gave them cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, so it's a little different than what we would do at home, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We would ingest the garlic extract, right?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can work with somebody, a professional, to do injections, but clearly we are not advising people to do that at home on their own.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they injected it, and what they found was not only did it inhibit the cell growth, um, it affected hundreds of proteins involved in cellular signaling, including changes in vital cell signaling cascades that regulating proliferation, apoptosis, and cellular redox balance.
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  SPEAKER_01: Basically, it caused the cancer cells to die by doing this, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then they went on to show a mechanism um, you know, about the alanin that's in garlic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And most of us have probably heard about the alanin, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It gets broken down by alanase into allicin, which gets broken down into other components.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that happens when there's been damage to the garlic.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's one reason why people say you should chop it up right before you eat it and not a long time in advance.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we're seeing um benefits for both, right?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you chop it up and eat it, or if you've chopped it up and like preserved it in honey, for instance, to ferment it and then eat it, you're still seeing benefits.
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  SPEAKER_01: But this is what they concluded.
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  SPEAKER_01: The increased interest in garlic for cancer prevention led us to examine the molecular effects of a kitchen homemade garlic extract.
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  SPEAKER_01: In terms of treating cancer, so this is their disclaimer, in terms of treating cancer, the use of traditional remedies is by no means preferred over established clinical therapy.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, modifications to the patient's diet by, for example, including various biological extracts, can be beneficial and may give better therapeutic outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're using the disclaimer, right?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh no, we're not contradicting modern therapy, but it could act the garlic could give better therapeutic outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and then it goes on to say that they even it it prohibited it it inhibited proliferation of cancer cells.
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  SPEAKER_01: And actually, if you give it with an anti-tumor drug, it makes that drug more effective.
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  SPEAKER_01: So clearly, garlic is effective.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I thought how interesting that they've used that.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: They only gave two examples in this YouTube um statement of their new medical misinformation guidelines.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two examples.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of them was about garlic curing cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can easily do a search in the scientific literature to show that it does kill cancer cells.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm thinking, well, that's weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wonder why they're pointing to that one.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then if you read on in their new policy, it says this as part of our ongoing work to increase the amount of high-quality health content on YouTube, we're publishing a playlist of engaging, informative, cancer-related videos from a range of authoritative sources, and we're collaborating with the Mayo Clinic on new video content to share information on a variety of cancer conditions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what do you know about the Mayo Clinic?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, um, I mean the Mayo Clinic started by they started by uh by using raw milk.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's how they started back in the beginning.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, they started by raw milk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh have you followed them recently?
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: So from my research, it seems as though they've been captured.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, if I if you go to Mayo Clinic's website itself and you go to the research facts funding, there's a page on their website that says about Mayo Clinic Research.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it shows that about in 2022, about 40% of their funding came from the government.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, both federal and state government.
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  SPEAKER_01: 40% came from the government.
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  SPEAKER_01: They also have uh a chunk of their funding that comes from industry, all right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, and it just says industry, and so I just did a a quick search online to see, okay, are they getting any money from a pharmaceutical company?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'll bet I'll bet they're not getting anything from a pharmaceutical company.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, they are uh they are an independent voice for medical freedom, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, right, right.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: I found uh like I've I've got a I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you too.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm I'm sure I am so relieved that they're the ones partnering with YouTube as the authoritative source for our information on cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, right when I typed it into Google, um articles popped up, and here's one from 2014.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this it must be worse now, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: In 2014, there's an article published in Post Bulletin, and it says this hundreds of Mayo Clinic doctors are receiving millions from drug companies and medical device makers for private consulting each year, while many others are paid one-third of the royalties generated by their work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: So if you patent something, right, you're gonna get a third of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: We see this um as well in like the the CDC, for instance.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if you patent, if you're working on um a vaccine, for instance, and it gets patented, there's a kickback there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if this isn't just, I'm not just pointing out the male clinic, I'm not just singling them out.
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  SPEAKER_01: There seems to be a common theme here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, in that same article, they talked about how there's a database that some of these conflicts, what I would call conflict of interest, are reported.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it said that just from August to December of 2014, data from multiple hospitals were released, and there were about 4.4 million payouts made to about 550,000 doctors and 1,360 teaching hospitals.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: So these are payouts by the drug company made to all these different hospitals and doctors.
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  SPEAKER_01: For the mail clinic doctors, 100% of the payments that they got for private consulting went directly to the doctor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they got 100% of the payment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now it turns out the mail clinic has been allowing those consulting contracts.
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  SPEAKER_01: They started in 1999.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where it changed the rule and it allowed it to go directly to the doctor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this has been happening for a while.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's not just the doctors, it's actually these clinics themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: It says in the article, in addition to the consulting payments, during those five months alone, 68 payments of$3 million were made to the Mayo clinic for research, according to that database.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they are not independent.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're getting money from the government.
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  SPEAKER_01: They get money from the drug companies to run research studies.
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  SPEAKER_01: The doctors get money directly from drug companies.
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  SPEAKER_01: And another fact that I found that I thought was quite interesting is that in back in 2017, the Mail Clinic CEO was nominated to sit on the board of directors of Merck.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was, he did accept that position because if you go to the Mail Clinic's website, under faculty, his name is there, and it says he is the president and CEO emeritus of Mail Clinic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And under his professional highlights, it says member Merck Board of Directors 2017 to present.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he is on the board of a pharmaceutical company and it's a paid position.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is paid in an annual compensation and um even more so in deferred stock payments per year.
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  SPEAKER_01: So clearly impartial.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: So so what people what we need people to understand is if somebody's listening to this or watching it and they're not they're not sure what we've said, um let me make sure that everybody understands.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, these doctors and the Mayo Clinic are on commission, they're on a sales commission for promoting, pushing, and selling the pharmaceuticals from the companies that that that they're representing.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: So for example, I sell eggs, okay.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: I have a person making sales calls.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's on a straight commission on say on sales calls.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, if she sells, she sells a thousand hours worth of eggs, she gets, you know, 50 bucks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Straight commission.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're used to that within within the you know, within the business community.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Almost all salespeople, you know, car salesmen, uh, almost everybody in sales is on commission uh because because that way they get rewarded for making sales.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh real realtors, you know, they don't get a they don't get a paycheck unless they unless they close a deal, right?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: They're on commission.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so um I want everybody to understand what we've just described is essentially a um uh it's a commission-based system in which the industry has put these thousands and thousands of researchers and doctors on a commission to promote and sell.
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  SPEAKER_00: And who knows how all the formulas are figured in, and and when when a doctor, when a doctor writes you a subscrip uh a subscription, uh a prescription for something, when a doctor writes that prescription, um, how that how that how that how he gets a commission uh in his paycheck for writing that prescription, I don't know, maybe you know, I don't know, but but the fact is that when you trace the money, that's how uh that's how tightly linked the this system is.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is not in other words, you go to your doctor and that doctor says you should take this, that doctor is not making an independent um an independent suggestion that that doctor that doctor is on a commission uh and gets a kickback for getting you to take that and and and that's all in the in the behind the scenes paperwork and backdooring uh of the system.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: It it's it's it's corrupt and and and what you know it's one thing if it was just corrupt, it's another thing for them to present this as science and to present us as anti-science because we're not taking compensation plans.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I will add to that, so what what these partnerships I'm gonna call them, right, between the industry and these doctors and these clinics, it's not actually illegal, right?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're not doing something illegal.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, not not at all.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, but it's definitely questionable in terms of uh introducing a conflict of interest, and there's there has to be a bias there, right?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: When you're getting paid to promote some pharmaceutical over the other one, there is some inherent, even if it's subconscious, bias.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: And now, here's something that people might not be aware of, because most medical doctors aren't.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I always like to give the benefit of the doubt, right?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think, um, just like a lot of us, um, and I have been guilty of this too in the past, have blindly trusted, right?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: I have blindly trusted my doctor in the past.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: I have blindly trusted the government in the past when it came to our food supply, right?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Before I got sick and went on this quest to figure out who's lying to me and how can I protect myself and my family, right?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think we've all trusted, right?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: We've all probably taken aspirin or ibupofin or motrin at some point.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: So we have all been trusted.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: The doctors, I think, have also trusted, and some of them still continue to trust.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we can, instead of pointing fingers at them and being like, oh my gosh, they're all just corrupt, right?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's true.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that they have a good intention and I think they are just trusting.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: So for instance, when a pharmaceutical company will visit doctors and present their medications to them, like their new medications, for instance, they are presenting them with like pamphlets and whatnot, research studies, and they're saying, look, look at the scientific research that shows this is effective and you know, it's it's it's it's it's safe to use this, all right.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: What the medical doctor is not aware of most of the time is that that research that they're showing them was not only probably funded by industry, but even if it got published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, right?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's our gold standard, right?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: If it's published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, it means it's made it to that high standard.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: It must be a high quality study and it's good findings.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: What the medical doctors don't realize is that often when that data is presented to the peers to review it, to see if it's good enough to be published in that journal, those reviewers, those scientists that are reviewers, are usually given a summary of the data that's that's created by the pharmaceutical company.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: They are usually not given access to the raw data.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: So they can't crunch the numbers themselves to see is this true, was there corruption, was there data statistical manipulation?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: And we could go on and on about that.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: We can have a whole podcast about all the corruption and the stuff, statistical manipulation that's done in the scientific literature and how um I talked about this at the summit.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: The vast majority of studies are actually false.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're false claims, the vast majority of them.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: The medical doctors are not aware that that's what's happening in this peer review process.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: So they are trusting the data that these um pharmaceutical companies bring to them.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't want people to walk away thinking that we think that all these doctors are corrupt.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: That is not the case.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, just like how we were before when we weren't aware of what was going on.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: But but but but individuals within it are often um just simply uh trusting and duplic literally duplicitous, uh, just unaware of the you know uh of the um you know uh of how of how ubiquitous the the the fingers of of financial interest penetrate uh into what is supposed to be an empirical uh an empirical analysis of something.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and and uh yeah, I think I I think that that ex that explains a lot of things in life.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, most people, including, I mean doctors are just like us too, right?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: They might be smarter than me, but but they're you know, they're um they're just they're people like us.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my dad used to say, you know, the president puts his pants on one leg at a time, too.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: And and and so um I was reading uh uh an interesting article just yesterday, actually, about um how hard it is, how much energy it takes for us to question things.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, we got we got bills to pay, we got diapers to change, we got, you know, you got things go, you got supper to make, uh, you got things going on, and and then when it comes to questioning, questioning um supposedly trustworthy institutions, it it just it just I mean just psychologically, it takes energy to you know to dare to question.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so most people just just don't question, you know, we just we just we just go with the flow because uh you know it's just too hard.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's too hard, it's too hard to question everything.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I completely relate to that.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: I have it has taken a lot of hours of my life to begin to question, and then you do get better at it, right?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: As you do it more often, um which we which websites to go to, whatnot.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like all of this information that we're presenting today, um, you know, from the garlic to the mail clinic, you know, to the YouTube policy in general, it was about an hour of looking for that um and trying to make these connections because you do get faster at it, but it does still take time.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I can completely empathize with that notion.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that's part of why we're here, right?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is to hold people and give them the original sources so they don't have to do all that slewing themselves.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: We can save them time.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but one of the reasons why we're bringing this up today is because we have been censored again.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when the policies keep changing, right?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: This is new guidance from YouTube, and there's no indication that anything's grandfathered in.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: So they're gonna go, it even said they're gonna ramp it up over the next few weeks.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like they're going through past content.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that I've talked about some things in past content that are probably not conformed to this new policy.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: So we we partly want to make everybody aware that if you're watching us through YouTube, we're having to play this game.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And the rules of the game keep changing, and we're doing our best to keep up with it because that's where people are.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like we would much rather go over.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: We have a channel on Rumble, and we encourage people, please sign up for our channel on Rumble or become, you know, preferably become one of our um go behind our PayPal, uh, our pay, our paywall.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Go behind our paywall because that's where we can have more content that hopefully won't be censored.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's behind the paywall.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: So go behind our paywall to meet us there to, you know, help keep us afloat so we can keep this information coming out case because it's coming, right?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to keep up with all these new rules.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: And like I gave the example with garlic.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Garlic can kill cancer cells.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: So now it's this limbo point where I'm like, I'm not even sure if I say something, and I'm trying to follow the rules, but I may say something that I know is true from the scientific literature, and they're gonna deem it as not true anymore.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're gonna get another strike against this and eventually banned.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: So a thing you so what we're encouraging people to do is for us go behind our paywall where we can be ourselves, not be censored, and give you the content we want to give you.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: And also, if you can join us on Rumble, right?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Where so far they're not censoring, um, but but that gives us another platform to go to in case that day comes when we are booted from booted on YouTube.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and Cena, I think it's important to to point out that we are um as much as we as much as we disagree with the kind of um the kind of censorship of information that we're seeing, um, we have to agree that if we're going to um uh continue a you know uh a way to pass information along in in this kind of space, we have to patronize, we have to fund, we have to build and encourage an alternative uh platform.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um the the the the old standard platforms that we've become accustomed to, including platforms of uh, you know, national in national institutes of health or whatever, all right.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um all those platforms in these days are becoming um suspect in in in our view based on based on the stuff that we can uh find.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so part of our response is to um to use the you know the historic platforms, I always call them historic platforms, um as much as possible to launch a new, you know, a new um medium, uh a new parallel universe.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where we gotta be.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, and you you mentioned even uh vitamin C with cancer, you know, didn't Linus Pauling get a Nobel Prize for his work with you know vitamin C uh and cancer?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so um so so this is this is just a a full court press onslaught by the you know by the powers that be to you know keep you know to keep the natives on the reservation, if you will, to keep the peasants, uh, you know, to keep the peasants um um under control.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: And what what the the internet and the social media platform offers, you know, it's again, it it's gunpowder to the peasants, to the lords and ladies ensconced in their castles.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: We represent gunpowder.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, just the little historical fact that it took 500 years for metallurgy, plant breeding, and horse breeding uh to develop the ultimate fighting machine, which was the mounted knight.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: It only took about 10 years with the invention of gunpowder to completely eliminate what it took 500 years to develop.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: And and and so here we are, I think, um uh, you know, we could argue 500 years later in the same kind of space with the same kind of geopolitical um uh situation.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh we're you know we're we're aware of it.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: And thank you, Cena, for staying on top of it, for keeping us aware of it.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we thank our listeners for being uh loyal and and and pass this on.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: If you think this is important stuff, uh make sure that you get your friends to to watch this, to see it, to listen to it, so that we can all be informed about where this where these battle lines are being drawn.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, it's not just for the culture, it's for our it's for our collective health.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I will say this, I will say this, there's one thing I've really been impressed with recently.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: If if dysfunction or if if society continues to um, let's just say break down, there's one thing you don't want to be when the egg hits the proverbial fan.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want to be sick.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: And be and this podcast, Beyond Labels, will help you not be sick because you don't want to be the one that when everybody's fleeing the city uh get left behind in a stretcher.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so there will be people like that.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so we want we want our listeners and our subscribers to be the healthy ones so that they can help carry the sick when things fall apart, if if things fall apart.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the way we're headed, uh, you know, there's old Chinese saying, if you keep going the way you're gonna, you're going, the way you're gonna end up where you're headed, and um and and and we think that that's probably a a safe, a safe thing to bet.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, any last words, Cena, or are we ready to ready to wrap this up?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're out of time.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you just wrapped it up beautifully.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think um I'll just echo that sentiment to say that we are really grateful for everybody who does support us.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, this is not an easy task to basically be on the other side of, you know, going up against the the powers that be, um, especially when they keep tightening that noose, they're coming for homeopathy, which we already um did a podcast on.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of rumblings that these new policies that are coming out, like through YouTube and such, um, they're coming after natural medicines.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you notice those two examples they gave were two of the most powerful natural elements we have in our arsenal, you know, to keep ourselves sick.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so there are rumblings that they are coming for it.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um pretty soon if they if they are successful, then where are you gonna get that information?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Where are you gonna learn about it?
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we really need to work together, form a community, support each other so that we can keep each other aware and encouraged.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we so we don't feel like we're alone in this.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: We need to hold each other up.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you all for joining us on the Beyond Labels podcast.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: We look forward to visiting with you again next week.