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Speaker 1: It is the good report tonight this division has gone
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Speaker 1: too far. I'll tell you about a disgraceful senator now
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Speaker 1: accusing police of murder. Why hasn't she been charged for defamation?
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Speaker 1: Plus the real price of eggs and not what Channel
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Speaker 1: seven claimed and has got your last night about four
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Speaker 1: dollars twenty No, you might get half a dozen. Also
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Speaker 1: tonight expose more Albinizi dishonesty, this time lying about Russia
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Speaker 1: and that while China backs Steell, independent Monique Ryan with
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Speaker 1: the volunteers telling Chinese Australian voters they are obliged to
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Speaker 1: vote for her. And is this meeting in the Vatican
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Speaker 1: on Saturday going to change the world. But first, last
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Speaker 1: night's debate on Channel seven was fascinating for one reason,
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Speaker 1: and fascinating for the return of the old Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: saying no to the divisive welcome to country for the
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Speaker 1: opening of Parliament. Fair enough, it's respectful to do.
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Speaker 2: But for the start of every meeting at work or
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Speaker 2: the start of a football game. I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of Australians think it's overdone and it cheapens the significance
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Speaker 2: of what it was meant to do. It divides the country,
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Speaker 2: not dissimilar to Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: And once again the Prime Minister seemed not to quite
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Speaker 1: know what to say, because I am sure that even
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Speaker 1: he knows most of Australians are now sick of being
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Speaker 1: welcomed to their own country.
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Speaker 3: It's up to people to determine whether they have or
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Speaker 3: welcome to country or not. But from my perspective, from
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Speaker 3: my perspective for major events, it is of course a
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Speaker 3: sign of respect.
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Speaker 1: Back to the return of this bit of Dutton the
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Speaker 1: culture warrior, I mean too late, but still welcome. More importantly, though,
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Speaker 1: it's a lesson for timid Liberal leaders everywhere. When the
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Speaker 1: oppicition leader last fought the culture was he won. Dutton
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Speaker 1: beat the Albanezy government in its reference on the voice
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Speaker 1: of planned divisits by race, created an average only advisory Parliament,
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Speaker 1: and Dunton then led Labor in the polls. This year.
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Speaker 1: This election campaign dunt't stopped. It was as if the
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Speaker 1: Liberals once again had lost the courage to fight, to
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Speaker 1: defy the media, left, fight for its principles, and now
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Speaker 1: again they're behind in the polls today or again you
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Speaker 1: know News poll forty eight percent to Labour's fifty two
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Speaker 1: headed for defeat next Saturday. Now there is of course
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Speaker 1: much more to Dutt's the Claione than that, but last night,
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Speaker 1: with nothing more to lose, it seemed here's dunn't say
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Speaker 1: no to this devisive welcome to country, like he hadn't
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Speaker 1: at first on Saturday Anzac Day, acting to this disgraceful
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Speaker 1: booing of the welcome to country, which is also inappropriate
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Speaker 1: at Melbourne's dawn service.
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Speaker 4: I'm here to welcome everybody to my father's country, beautiful
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Speaker 4: Pomeram country. But before we do that, we pay our
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Speaker 4: acknowledgments and we pay our respects. We pay our respects
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Speaker 4: to all of my ancestors, we pay our respects to
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Speaker 4: all of my elders, and we pay respects to all
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Speaker 4: of my community members.
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Speaker 1: So there was some Friday, of course. Now the loudest
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Speaker 1: booing there that you heard was by an a Nazi
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Speaker 1: is a moron already convicted of making Hitler, so we're
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Speaker 1: calling her al Hitler now. For a Hitler Frank even
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Speaker 1: to be at an ansec day dawn service clearly obscene
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Speaker 1: when so many of our soldiers died fighting Hitler and
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Speaker 1: his racist ideology and disrupting the Dawn's service with booing
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Speaker 1: also disgusting, just like the clown who reportedly yelled out
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Speaker 1: free Palestine at the service of the National War Memorial.
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Speaker 1: But you heard the video I played there, there were
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Speaker 1: more people than this herssaunt character booing And were they
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Speaker 1: really all neo Nazism? Might have thought from the media coverage.
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Speaker 1: Now the proper response really to what went on that
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Speaker 1: Dawn Services. Damn both sides. Damn anyone who tries to
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Speaker 1: divide us by race at an event made to unite
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Speaker 1: us as Australians, including with the welcome to country. Now,
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Speaker 1: is it really surprising that some people objected to being
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Speaker 1: effectively told editor on service that even soldiers who died
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Speaker 1: for this country still can't call this country their own now.
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Speaker 1: One man, apparently a veteran, tried to make that point
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Speaker 1: to a journalist at the service.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I have a lot of veteran Nates and how
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Speaker 5: to come play because solely because of the walker for
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Speaker 5: the country, because of our frantic did and for this
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Speaker 5: country and for this soil, and for them to be
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Speaker 5: welcomes is a slacking face and you need to say
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Speaker 5: it from a different discussion.
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Speaker 1: I'm not out of it. Now, just because a discussing
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Speaker 1: the Nazi bird there welcome to country, do not be
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Speaker 1: afraid to oppose it yourself. But for different reasons to
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Speaker 1: be against it doesn't make you a Nazi as well.
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Speaker 1: Nazis are against the welcome because they are racist. Their
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Speaker 1: objection is just that they want their race to win.
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Speaker 1: But anti racists they're against the welcome because they hate
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Speaker 1: any racial division by anyone, and especially when it divides
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Speaker 1: our war dead by race. And that today is what
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton stressed.
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Speaker 6: Would you considered Anzac Day don ceremonies is an event
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Speaker 6: significant enough to warrant a welcome to the country.
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Speaker 7: No, it would be my answer to that.
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Speaker 2: It's ultimately a decision for the individual organizers of the event.
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Speaker 2: And Anzac Day is about our veterans. It's about one
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Speaker 2: hundred and three thousand Australians who have died in service
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Speaker 2: of our country. I think if you're listening to their
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Speaker 2: sentiment and we're respectful of that sentiment on Anzac Day,
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Speaker 2: I think their majority of you would be my read
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Speaker 2: of our vets would be that they don't want it
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Speaker 2: on that day.
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Speaker 1: Now, a lot of liberals, wow, for years, have been
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Speaker 1: saying this, Oh, don't fight these culture wars. I remember
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Speaker 1: Scott Morrison boasting to me he wasn't going to fight
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Speaker 1: the culture wars, and the culture wars of course fought
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Speaker 1: him and beat him, the gender war, the green global
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Speaker 1: warming war. Besides, you know some liberals say, look, this
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Speaker 1: election really is all about costs of living. We don't
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Speaker 1: want to go down there. Well, if it was all
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Speaker 1: about costs of living, I'm going to tell you Anthony
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Speaker 1: Ibanezy would be out in Asia. But it's not, is he.
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Speaker 1: There's the vision of Australia. It is not everything, but
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Speaker 1: it is a lot. The lack of common identity now,
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Speaker 1: tearing down of Australian history, the ethnic politics so bad
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Speaker 1: now there beregetting election signs, is sitting with only one
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Speaker 1: word that is not in Arabic, telling Arabic speaking you
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Speaker 1: voters to stop Dutton. Now, I'm going to give you
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Speaker 1: another example of many in this election campaign. How this
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Speaker 1: new tribalism you know, it's my land not your land,
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Speaker 1: or it's my tribe not yours. How it's tearing us
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Speaker 1: apart and it's being led by politicians exploiting race politics.
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Speaker 1: And I hope this will tell you why it's so
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Speaker 1: important that we must fight Welcome to the country in
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Speaker 1: all other means now being used by race warriors to
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Speaker 1: divide us. Lydia Thorpe, she's a race bating senator. She
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Speaker 1: was first elected as a Green and since she's an Aboriginal,
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Speaker 1: even though seven of her eight great grandparents were actually white.
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Speaker 1: Now Thorpe plays a lot of race politics, as you know.
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Speaker 1: She says people identifying as Aboriginal like her should have
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Speaker 1: their own sovereignty in this country. Let's split the country
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Speaker 1: again then, and the rest of us by the way,
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Speaker 1: she'll pay people like her rent. And last week, being
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Speaker 1: a race beata, she jumped on this story.
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Speaker 8: The African community is calling for an independent investigation into
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Speaker 8: the death.
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Speaker 9: The African community rallied today demanding an end to what
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Speaker 9: they call police brutality.
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Speaker 1: I mean just a phrase, the African community. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is Australia. What happened to the Australian community. Must
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Speaker 1: there always be Africans that are always set aside in
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Speaker 1: one community, theirs and the rest of us in our
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Speaker 1: own little silos. Where did this us versus the rest
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Speaker 1: of us come from? That's the new race politics anyway,
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Speaker 1: this touch one touch or mentality. It leads to people thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: if please shoot one of ours, no matter what the
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Speaker 1: what the circumstances, even if it's to protect themselves from
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Speaker 1: a man coming at them with a knife, the police
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Speaker 1: then are the enemy of our tribe. They get attacked
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Speaker 1: by a mob, including allegedly by a man who seems
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Speaker 1: to have a monitoring device on his ankle, and the
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Speaker 1: police then get accused of being anti African, not defending
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Speaker 1: themselves against one guy, but harming the many.
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Speaker 10: The US police I should be the one that's protecting us,
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Speaker 10: not harming us.
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Speaker 1: Now to this disgraceful scene of police being attacked enter
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Speaker 1: Lydia Thorpe the race. Bata Thorpe has said nothing publicly
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Speaker 1: about the white shopkeeper and Darwen allegedly stabbed to death
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Speaker 1: last week by an average teenager, or about the alleged
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Speaker 1: stabbing on the weekend of a service stage attendant in
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs. I mean, welcome to that country. But about
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Speaker 1: this shooting of an African rushing at police with a knife.
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Speaker 1: Thought posted that the police had actually committed murder last
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Speaker 1: week in Footscrace. She wrote, police murdered a young, unarmed
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Speaker 1: man his name was Antifata Hhmed. He had a life
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Speaker 1: of future and a family well Alibia. In fact, it
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Speaker 1: was not murder, it was self protection and Arbe was
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Speaker 1: not unarmed. He had a knife. Let me repeat a
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Speaker 1: knife And that post on ex has since been delayed
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Speaker 1: because he's mocked to the year skies. But Thorpe is
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Speaker 1: still accusing the police in other posts that they are murderers.
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Speaker 1: Now she should be sued for defamation, for spreading hate.
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Speaker 1: And this is the US and then politics that is
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Speaker 1: destroying this country, dividing us by race, splitting us into tribes,
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Speaker 1: breeding this deadly tribalism, and particularly among new arrivals here
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Speaker 1: now done, that's been going around asking a really good question,
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Speaker 1: obvious question. You know, are you better off under labor
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Speaker 1: the three years ago? It means financially, But here's a
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Speaker 1: question that is just as important now, are we more
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Speaker 1: united under life under three flags Labor? I think this
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Speaker 1: is one culture war that must be fought. And isn't
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Speaker 1: it good to have Peter Dutton now realizing that again,
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Speaker 1: Now Anzac Day is not for race politics, it's not
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Speaker 1: for Nazis, it's not for the welcome to country. It
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Speaker 1: is for uniting around our military around This man joining
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Speaker 1: me is this man's brother from the famous Aboriginal and
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Speaker 1: Irish family of the fighting Mundanes, Warren Mundane, former Labor
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Speaker 1: National President and advisor to three Liberal prime ministers. Warren't
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Speaker 1: great to see you again. This should mate to country. Well,
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Speaker 1: this welcome to country at an Anzac Day's service. I mean,
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Speaker 1: why are soldiers who fought and died for this country,
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Speaker 1: united as they were in one service under one flag,
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Speaker 1: being treated as if this still is it really their
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Speaker 1: country as well?
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Speaker 9: Look, this is a bizarre situation.
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Speaker 11: Anzac Day is a very sacred day for all Australians.
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Speaker 11: It's in regard to, you know, honoring the people who
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Speaker 11: have served this country, the servicemen, the service women who
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Speaker 11: have you know, gave their lives, had you know, come
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Speaker 11: back from wars missing limbs and broken and coming back
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Speaker 11: and defending this our country and our values and bringing
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Speaker 11: us all together. And it was made up of people
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Speaker 11: of all different races and all different faiths and that
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Speaker 11: served in these in the Australian Defense Forces and that
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Speaker 11: and it's a day that we should truly truly treat
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Speaker 11: the sacredness of it. And it's not a day about
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Speaker 11: planning politics. It's not about a day of talking about
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Speaker 11: welcome the country and.
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Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
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Speaker 11: It is a day that is to be totally focused
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Speaker 11: on those, on those women and those men who have
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Speaker 11: served our great country. And look, you know, I agree
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Speaker 11: with Dutton in our benees in this sense. There shouldn't
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Speaker 11: have been any booing in that. But there shouldn't have
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Speaker 11: been a welcomed the country as well. It should have
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Speaker 11: been that focus about what brings us together, and what
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Speaker 11: brings us together are those service people.
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Speaker 1: I find it so sad, Warren, that we had servicemen
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Speaker 1: of every creed, every color, every race, every religion joining
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Speaker 1: together to fight for the country that they called their
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Speaker 1: countries collectively their country. And then in death we now
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Speaker 1: have our race warriors picking over them, that is of
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Speaker 1: that one race, those dead, of those and will have
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Speaker 1: separate honoring of them Nansac day. It seems to me
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Speaker 1: a grotesque insult.
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Speaker 11: There was no there's no separation in the trenches in
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Speaker 11: France during the First World War. There was no separation
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Speaker 11: of soldiers in the on the Kakota Track in pap
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Speaker 11: New Guinea, there was no separation of soldiers who worked
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Speaker 11: on the on the the camps, the prisoner of war camps,
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Speaker 11: and the Burma railway and Changi. There was no separation
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Speaker 11: of soldiers who served in Korea and in Malaysia and
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Speaker 11: the conference in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and many other confrontations
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Speaker 11: around the world that we served with and worked with
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Speaker 11: our allies. We were all treated equal. We all served together,
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Speaker 11: and we all fought together for this country. And I
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Speaker 11: think we should remember that, respect it and pay homage
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Speaker 11: to it.
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Speaker 1: I think you spoke beautifully there, Warrant. When should we have,
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Speaker 1: if ever, a welcome to country ceremony? Oh?
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Speaker 11: Look, look, this is one of these things that the
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Speaker 11: woke people do a lot. You know, when I was
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Speaker 11: grown up, we didn't have welcome the countries or anything
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Speaker 11: like that.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's a nice idea.
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Speaker 11: Like you know, when I was deputy mayor and mayor
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Speaker 11: of Dabo Acne mayor, I you know, had citizenship programs
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Speaker 11: and after the formal finishing of that, I said, look,
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Speaker 11: as an averageinal Australian, I welcome you to Australia and
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Speaker 11: I'm proud that yous have chosen to become citizens of
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Speaker 11: this country and to contribute to making this a better
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Speaker 11: place and building and making Australia a stronger place. Now,
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Speaker 11: I think that is a good, nice idea. And in
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Speaker 11: same things for international conferences, like you know, different organizations
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Speaker 11: that come into Australia. But it's got to the stage
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Speaker 11: where it's overdone, you know. We you know, I go
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Speaker 11: to conferences and you spend the first half day dealing
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Speaker 11: with every speaker, with the with the opening ceremony and everything,
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Speaker 11: and you only spend a day and a half actually working.
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Speaker 11: You get it at board meetings, you get a committ
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Speaker 11: committee meetings, you get it at everything. You get it,
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Speaker 11: and it's getting and it is dividing us. Something that
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Speaker 11: was nice and had a place for has now turned
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Speaker 11: into a thing of division. And and also it's been hijacked.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 11: You see people you know, given talks you know sort
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Speaker 11: of like you know, you know the welcomness the country.
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Speaker 11: They ought to look up in the Macquarie Dictionary and
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Speaker 11: see what actually means, because they then they tend tend
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Speaker 11: to say, look all these non indigenous people should bugger
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Speaker 11: off and go back home. You know, this is this
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Speaker 11: is not welcome, this is not bringing us together. This
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Speaker 11: is not uniting us. And so you know, I think
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Speaker 11: that you know, the leader of the opposition, that Dutton
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Speaker 11: was right in regard to his criticism of it.
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Speaker 1: Maora Medean always great to talk to you. Thank you
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Speaker 1: so much. Indeed, let me just ask that question again.
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Speaker 1: It's not are you better off after three years of labor?
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Speaker 1: Are we more divided? That is such an important question.
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Speaker 1: I want to do a quick media fact check before
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Speaker 1: I go on with this show. Now, there was one
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Speaker 1: other thing about last night's debate between Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 1: Anthony Ibanezi. Now have a journalist. It's going to ask
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Speaker 1: if smart ask got your question, you know, to try
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Speaker 1: and expose the leaders as out of touch on food prices,
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Speaker 1: for instance, such a goldie. It's best that I think
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Speaker 1: they give the right answer, at least themselves. You take
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Speaker 1: this exchange. Here is a dozen eggs, mister Dutton.
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Speaker 12: Do you know how much they cost?
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Speaker 2: About four dollars twenty No, you might get seven dollars
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Speaker 2: if you can find them by eight dollars eighty.
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Speaker 1: Eight dollars eighty for a dozen eggs eight dollars eighty
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Speaker 1: inflation sure is terrible under Anthony, I even easy if
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Speaker 1: that's the price. But this was fun instead to how
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Speaker 1: out of touch Peter Dutton is, but eight dollars eighty
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Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, look, you know, if you want
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Speaker 1: to pay eight dollars eight, if you want to pay
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Speaker 1: twelve dollars, there's someone making eggs, producing eggs that will
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Speaker 1: sell them to you for that. But Channel seven may
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Speaker 1: be exaggerating. I had to look at Woolworths. They're selling
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Speaker 1: them for much cheaper than eight dollars eighty six dollars sixty.
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Speaker 1: And I went to my local IgA this morning I
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Speaker 1: saw someone saal for just five dollars seventy and I
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Speaker 1: wonder how out of touch Channel seven really is. And
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Speaker 1: a second example, just so much of the media simply
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Speaker 1: swallows the Labour's lies. I found it absolutely extraordinary this election,
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Speaker 1: so extraordinary, the big lies the lab could tell seemingly
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Speaker 1: without ever being challenged. For instance, that Medicare is under
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Speaker 1: threat from the Coalition, that entire moness, the entire labor campaign,
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Speaker 1: that the Coalition will cut medicare to pay for nuclear
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Speaker 1: power stations that you know will cost six hundred billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: And ABC host this Morning, Sally Saras, you just let
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Speaker 1: Jason Claire, Labor spokesman, lie again but barely a murmur.
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Speaker 13: But have a look at the work that the CSIRO
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Speaker 13: has done that proves that this will cost six hundred
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Speaker 13: billion dollars and Australians are going to have to pay
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Speaker 13: for it, both in cuts to health, cuts to education.
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Speaker 1: That's an outright lie. Luckily she had on someone from
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Speaker 1: the coalition, Ted O'Brien that pointed out later but the
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Speaker 1: CSRO actually said the coalitions are reactors, with seven of
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Speaker 1: them would cost one fifth of what that goes prattling,
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty billion, not six hundred billion, and
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Speaker 1: that's if costs, of course, don't blow out. And this
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Speaker 1: morning the Nationals leader David Prad exploded, I mean they're
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Speaker 1: getting so frustrated by this, the coalition. He exploded about
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Speaker 1: labor success with the media in getting away with lies.
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Speaker 1: New people don't seem to listen.
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Speaker 6: And I went to the National Press Club and I
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Speaker 6: made it very clear our total greed at mixed Grid
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Speaker 6: is three hundred and thirty one billion dollars.
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Speaker 14: So we thought, you respect.
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Speaker 6: I don't know how many I.
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Speaker 9: Tol due respect, And he said one hundred and forty
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Speaker 9: billion so you know, where's your question to him?
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Speaker 6: But hold on, Laura, where's your question to the Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister today? Just to challenge him about the six hundred
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Speaker 6: million dollars. I think it's time that the fourth Estate
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Speaker 6: holds this Prime minister it account.
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Speaker 1: Joining mister Panel, Michael Craiger, former Victorian Liberal President, Steve Conroy,
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Speaker 1: former Labor Senator in Cabinet Minister Michael the Abboties and
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Speaker 1: government's in trying to get new misinformation laws to stop
20:52
Speaker 1: ordinary people and social media from telling untruths. Meanwhile he's
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Speaker 1: trying to steal a whole election with giant life. We
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Speaker 1: talk about hypocrites, but then, Michael, only losers complain about
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Speaker 1: the other side's lies. The question is, though, why is
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Speaker 1: this such a winning strategy?
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Speaker 15: Well, winners can complain about lies too. We're winners in
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Speaker 15: the twenty sixteen campaign, so there's no problem with us
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Speaker 15: complaining about what Bill Shorten did, which was to lie
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Speaker 15: through his teeth for a whole campaign based on.
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Speaker 13: A flimsy.
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Speaker 15: Thing we were alleged to you wanting to do, which
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Speaker 15: was to outsource some back part of the many care
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Speaker 15: it system. But they turned that into a whole campaign
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Speaker 15: on privatization of medicaid. That's exactly what's happening here. I mean, look,
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Speaker 15: thirty nine percent of people in that recent poll said
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Speaker 15: the government deserves to be re elected. Labor near that
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Speaker 15: they've got that polling weeks and months ago. We've had
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Speaker 15: that polling to show that a majority of people don't
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Speaker 15: think they deserve to get reelected. What do you do
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Speaker 15: in that situation? You try and basically blind the public.
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Speaker 15: You try and you know, explain away what is happening
21:59
Speaker 15: by a diverse and that's what they're doing here. If
22:01
Speaker 15: I hear one more time that Darton's get a slash
22:04
Speaker 15: and bird medicare and school fundingly, there's not a single
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Speaker 15: piece of evidence in that regard, not a single piece
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Speaker 15: of evidence. But you can just tell these lies, and
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Speaker 15: unfortunately there are enough people who see it, grab a
22:15
Speaker 15: headline and believe it. So Labor are in front. But
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Speaker 15: unfortunately I have to be honest and say they're in
22:22
Speaker 15: front in this campaign, and only because they've misled the
22:25
Speaker 15: public in a pretty groat tesque way.
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Speaker 1: Andrew, Yeah, the question is, Stephen, I believe their lies,
22:32
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in your heart you do too. But
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Speaker 1: how is it that the public doesn't care that their
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Speaker 1: lies or is so easily full.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think if we're going to start throwing stones
22:47
Speaker 7: about lives, let's start with the biggest liberal lie that
22:50
Speaker 7: I've had to listen to you for thirty years. Were
22:52
Speaker 7: the better economic managers? I mean, it's probably not true.
22:56
Speaker 7: The economic statistics and facts over the twenty or thirty
22:59
Speaker 7: years don't rubers. But the liberals just make one. It's
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Speaker 7: in their DNA.
23:04
Speaker 15: Which which one, Stephen, Stephen, which ones? Which the two
23:07
Speaker 15: liberals like you? Which is the gives club? Give three
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Speaker 15: for examples of the statistics you're talking about.
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Speaker 7: Really easy, Michael, really easy. Nine budgets, no one, not
23:20
Speaker 7: one of them. In surplus maybe delivers two surpluses.
23:23
Speaker 1: There's just one.
23:24
Speaker 7: We inherited your mess in two thousand Party of Lower Liberals.
23:29
Speaker 7: Liberals will always have lower inflation. I don't think that
23:34
Speaker 7: happened either. So I could go on through historically that's great,
23:38
Speaker 7: but wages.
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Speaker 1: Can jump in?
23:41
Speaker 7: Can I jump in economic statistics?
23:45
Speaker 1: Let me jump in here, because this is I asked
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Speaker 1: you a question about those lies, and your answer, Stephen,
23:52
Speaker 1: was look at these other lives instead. So clearly you're
23:55
Speaker 1: not defending the lies. You're saying the other just as bad.
23:58
Speaker 1: There is not what I wanted you to address, but
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Speaker 1: let's move on. I wanted to show you something interesting.
24:04
Speaker 1: Simon Holmes Court, the very rich green investor and founder
24:09
Speaker 1: of Climate two hundred. There the global instruments, of course
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Speaker 1: funding the Teal politicians. He's now pleading for last minute
24:16
Speaker 1: donations to prop up the campaigns of Teal MP's Zoe Daniel,
24:21
Speaker 1: Sophie Scamps, Monique Ryan and Kate Cheney, saying is increasingly
24:24
Speaker 1: worried they'll be beaten. Although Manik Ryan pretended this morning
24:27
Speaker 1: on the ABC not to know how much he actually
24:29
Speaker 1: did depend on Climate two hundred's money, how much she
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Speaker 1: was in the pocket of Simon Holmes of Court.
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Speaker 12: Have listen, who is your biggest financial backer for this
24:40
Speaker 12: federal election.
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Speaker 16: I've had more than two thousand diners in this federal
24:44
Speaker 16: election to this point. Climate two hundred has provided less
24:48
Speaker 16: than twenty percent of the support that I've received.
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Speaker 12: Is Climate two hundred your biggest financial backer.
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Speaker 16: At this point that we've had in kind? And if
25:00
Speaker 16: you've donations from Climate two hundred, I'd.
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Speaker 12: Have to check so in dollars and cents in financial terms,
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Speaker 12: is Climate two hundred your biggest backer at this election?
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Speaker 16: I wouldn't be able to say that at this point
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Speaker 16: in time. I've had a number of people who've given
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Speaker 16: me donations and support.
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Speaker 12: So you're not sure.
25:19
Speaker 16: No, I'm not, because things are changing quite quickly.
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Speaker 1: Michael Craiger, Why is Benique Ryan being so shifty again?
25:29
Speaker 15: I think the truth of Monique Ryan's campaign is something
25:32
Speaker 15: she doesn't want to admit to. So she's achieved almost
25:36
Speaker 15: nothing since she became a member. She couldn't make an obvious,
25:40
Speaker 15: truthful statement about whether social media influences who you're paying
25:45
Speaker 15: should be disclosed. She's now being very evasive about homes
25:50
Speaker 15: of Course donations. She knows exactly how much homes Course donated.
25:53
Speaker 15: These candidates know exactly how much has been donated and
25:56
Speaker 15: where the money's coming from. If they're donations above two
26:00
Speaker 15: or three thousand dollars, candidates know where money's coming from.
26:02
Speaker 15: If people are giving fifteen hundred dollars, a different story.
26:05
Speaker 15: She knows exactly how much he's given. I mean, if
26:07
Speaker 15: she spent two million, it sounds like he's given four
26:10
Speaker 15: hundred thousand dollars to her campaign. Climate two hundred. That's
26:13
Speaker 15: what it sounds like to me, and I haven't seen
26:14
Speaker 15: her figures, but Ryan has run a very dubious campaign,
26:19
Speaker 15: a tricky campaign, an untrustworthy campaign, and let's hope she's defeated.
26:26
Speaker 15: As let's hope all these deals are defeated. This farce
26:29
Speaker 15: has got a weend all these people pretending they're you know,
26:32
Speaker 15: soft liberal independence, when in fact basically they're agents of
26:35
Speaker 15: the Greens and the renewable industry industry. Unfortunately, to a
26:40
Speaker 15: very large degree in monarch, Ryan is clearly one of them.
26:45
Speaker 1: Stephen, I know we see ida on China quite a
26:49
Speaker 1: bit of communist China. Two of me Ryan's volunteers have
26:54
Speaker 1: also been filmed telling voters that Chinese astrones were instructed
26:59
Speaker 1: to vote for Ryan by a community organization with historical
27:03
Speaker 1: links to the Chinese Communist Party's foreign influence operation, the
27:06
Speaker 1: United Front Department. The woman in this video, filmed by
27:11
Speaker 1: a voter, said the instruction came from Jijiang Min, who's
27:15
Speaker 1: president of the Hubai Association, which represents people from Chinese
27:18
Speaker 1: Subei Province.
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Speaker 7: They're trying to fire.
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Speaker 5: Find out, you know why you both are supporting and
27:26
Speaker 5: obviously volunteering for Monty Ryan, Why.
27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, plants just termy for this woman and they
27:37
Speaker 1: said where now, Manick Ryan Stephen has said, yes, she's
27:46
Speaker 1: been to an Abay Association dinners, she's met this Xijiang men,
27:50
Speaker 1: but has never been lobbied on policy by him and
27:53
Speaker 1: never met the volunteers there personally.
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Speaker 7: Is at the end of the matter, Well, I think
28:00
Speaker 7: it should be exposed. If they've confessed, it's not like
28:04
Speaker 7: we've had to do a lot of digging that. If
28:08
Speaker 7: overseas governments using their agents in terms of agencies and
28:15
Speaker 7: that United Fronts and Hubei to encourage their members and
28:22
Speaker 7: their citizens and may commudual citizens as well as Australian citiens,
28:27
Speaker 7: if they're pushing that, then we should know about it
28:29
Speaker 7: and there should be I think it has been referred
28:32
Speaker 7: and there should be a thorough investigations. We cannot afford
28:35
Speaker 7: to have overseas countries China in particular, trying to direct
28:41
Speaker 7: the outcome of the Australian election. It's not acceptable and
28:45
Speaker 7: whatever is needed to be done about it needs to
28:47
Speaker 7: be done about. It utterly unacceptable to have this sort
28:52
Speaker 7: of potential interference in an Australian election.
28:58
Speaker 1: Michael Cravis thank you very much to you both. After
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Speaker 1: the break, Donald Trump finally admits he might have been
29:05
Speaker 1: played all along by the Russian president, which I kind
29:08
Speaker 1: of did say months ago, didn't they? But how explosive
29:12
Speaker 1: could this now get? I'll see, this election is so unreal.
29:20
Speaker 1: It's a disgrace. And we've got many Western countries actually
29:23
Speaker 1: now preparing for a possible attack from Russia, which is
29:26
Speaker 1: backed by China. Sweden spending fifteen million dollars just to
29:30
Speaker 1: upgrade nuclear shelters for its people, Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Latte,
29:34
Speaker 1: Estonia all withdrawing from and that international band that would
29:38
Speaker 1: stop them laying anti personnel land mines along their border
29:41
Speaker 1: to stop a Russian invasion. Germany sending We're gay to Lithuania,
29:46
Speaker 1: the first time it's stationing troops long term in a
29:48
Speaker 1: foreign country since the Nazis and in our region. Russia
29:53
Speaker 1: in February asked the Indonesia to let it based long
29:55
Speaker 1: range bombers there, something Australian newspaper Today said the Albanies
30:00
Speaker 1: the government actually been warned of before the election, but
30:04
Speaker 1: which it had since pretended was fake news, even refusing
30:08
Speaker 1: to let the coalition get a briefing on this.
30:11
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for them to ask for a briefing on
30:14
Speaker 3: who faked the moon landing.
30:16
Speaker 1: Anthony Abernezer today was still refusing to come clean on
30:19
Speaker 1: whether Russia had indeed asked for that base in Indonesia,
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Speaker 1: like it was a big secret.
30:25
Speaker 3: What adults do on intelligence is received them and not
30:31
Speaker 3: do it conduct it through the media.
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Speaker 1: John's the country's top foreign affairs writer, Greg Sheridan of
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Speaker 1: the Australian newspaper. Greg, thanks for your tom. Why this
30:42
Speaker 1: secrecy about something that you know that I know the
30:46
Speaker 1: opposition knows, your paper knows what is it?
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Speaker 9: Well, Andrew, it's great to be with you. This is
30:55
Speaker 9: all part and parcel, in my view of a truly
30:58
Speaker 9: shocking performance by the Albanese government on national security all
31:03
Speaker 9: the way through. I think Albanesi has decided he's ahead
31:07
Speaker 9: in the election contest now and he's simply not going
31:10
Speaker 9: to answer any question, which is difficult, and apart from
31:13
Speaker 9: programs like yours and my glorious newspaper, nobody really presents
31:17
Speaker 9: these matters. You know, the opposition complaining about the media
31:21
Speaker 9: doesn't get them anywhere. But it is true most of
31:23
Speaker 9: the media simply doesn't press this now. There is absolutely
31:27
Speaker 9: no reason why the government couldn't have given the opposition
31:30
Speaker 9: a briefing on this. In a sense, I don't think
31:32
Speaker 9: that's the issue, and a briefing would have helped a
31:34
Speaker 9: sensible government because that binds the opposition. There are all
31:37
Speaker 9: kinds of things that can't say. It can't reveal the
31:39
Speaker 9: contents of the briefing. But the only explanation for the
31:42
Speaker 9: government refusing to give a briefing must be because the
31:46
Speaker 9: contents of the briefing would be so radically at odds
31:49
Speaker 9: with what the government is saying publicly.
31:52
Speaker 1: Now.
31:52
Speaker 9: This government has not responded realistically or meaningfully to any
31:56
Speaker 9: of the royaling international crises. You mentioned a whole lot
32:01
Speaker 9: of nations doing things. Britain cut ITTs eight budget to
32:04
Speaker 9: increase its defense expenditure this year to two point five
32:07
Speaker 9: percent of GDP, not in five years time.
32:10
Speaker 13: This year.
32:11
Speaker 9: The only nation in more peril than those European nations
32:15
Speaker 9: because we have no allies near US is Australia, and
32:19
Speaker 9: we are the only nation doing nothing at all.
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Speaker 1: It seems to me, Greg that the penny has dropped
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Speaker 1: at last with President Donald Trump now you know is
32:31
Speaker 1: now suspected his friend Russian President Vladimir Putin has been,
32:35
Speaker 1: as you and have suggested for a long time now,
32:37
Speaker 1: been stringing him along. But it's not really interested in
32:40
Speaker 1: pieces in Ukraine at all, not a genuine one. Trump
32:43
Speaker 1: actually sat down with the Ukrainian president at the Vatican,
32:47
Speaker 1: whether we're for the Pope's funeral, brush the French president
32:50
Speaker 1: to sit down to talk man to man in private.
32:53
Speaker 1: The talk seemed to please Zelenski. Here is how it's
33:02
Speaker 1: last time when he was thrown out of the White
33:04
Speaker 1: House and Greg, after those thoughts, Trump posted there was
33:08
Speaker 1: no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian
33:11
Speaker 1: areas in Ukraine cities and towns over the last few days.
33:15
Speaker 1: It makes me think, said Trump, that maybe he doesn't
33:18
Speaker 1: want to stop the war. He's just tapping me along
33:21
Speaker 1: and has to be dealt with differently.
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Speaker 15: Greg.
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Speaker 1: This change in Trump's tone strikes me as hugely significant.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it could be very important, and I think you're
33:32
Speaker 9: absolutely right. We've got to be a bit cautious because
33:35
Speaker 9: Trump changes and then changes back, and he's very unstable.
33:39
Speaker 9: He has a lot of strength, but he's very very
33:41
Speaker 9: unstable in his decision making. But two things occur to
33:45
Speaker 9: me about this particularly. One is everybody on the Democrat
33:49
Speaker 9: and left side has been constantly looking for some sinister
33:52
Speaker 9: explanation of why Trump has favored Putin so much, and
33:57
Speaker 9: I think actually the explanation is just terribly ob A
34:00
Speaker 9: cigar sometimes is just a cigar. Putin has flattered Trump
34:04
Speaker 9: relentlessly and endlessly, you know, building miniature statues of him,
34:10
Speaker 9: commissioning portraits of him, going to church to pray for him,
34:13
Speaker 9: and this has taken him a long long way with Trump.
34:16
Speaker 9: Trump is very vulnerable to flattery, but eventually reality has
34:21
Speaker 9: imposed itself even on Trump. Now, one of the weaknesses
34:26
Speaker 9: of Trump is that he's absolutely clear he won't take
34:28
Speaker 9: military action for anybody, and he says his retaliation could
34:33
Speaker 9: be economic. But the second thought that I have is
34:38
Speaker 9: that Trump is doing a lot of things the American
34:41
Speaker 9: people like, but he's doing a lot of things the
34:43
Speaker 9: American people hate. And this may be a moment where
34:48
Speaker 9: Trump realizes the difference between what's working and what's not
34:52
Speaker 9: working and course corrects. I mean, everybody for the first
34:55
Speaker 9: month thought Trump was invincible, then for the second month
34:59
Speaker 9: they thought he was incorrigible, and then for the third month,
35:04
Speaker 9: they thought he was beyond salvation. But nothing is permanent
35:07
Speaker 9: with Trump. And if he now decides that Ukraine being
35:12
Speaker 9: smashed on his watch would be very bad for him,
35:15
Speaker 9: he may well go back to supporting Ukraine in significant ways.
35:19
Speaker 9: He could even impose these secondary sanctions on Russia, which
35:23
Speaker 9: indeed would be very damaging for Russia. And if he
35:26
Speaker 9: mobilized the whole American network to really force nations to
35:32
Speaker 9: live up to sanctions on Russia. I mean, most nations
35:34
Speaker 9: of the world are not now living up to sanctions
35:37
Speaker 9: on Russia, not only China, but even countries which are
35:40
Speaker 9: friends of ours, Indonesia and India and so on, doing
35:43
Speaker 9: very big trades with Russia. So there's a lot that
35:45
Speaker 9: Trump could do. And this is a very promising, very
35:48
Speaker 9: promising sign.
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Speaker 1: And then I think I'm back in his bandwagon again
35:54
Speaker 1: if he could do that. Greg Sheridan, thank you so
35:57
Speaker 1: much for your time the break. I have to say,
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Speaker 1: this is the most divisive election we've ever seen, dangerously divisive.
36:05
Speaker 1: I've got to ask, can we afford more of this
36:08
Speaker 1: under a re elected Albertezi government? Have you seen an
36:16
Speaker 1: election this divisive? Like I shawed earlier, Chinese campaign workers
36:21
Speaker 1: telling voters they were required by a Chinese government linked
36:24
Speaker 1: organization to back a TLMP Manique Ryan, like the Greens
36:28
Speaker 1: Campaign for Palestine in a pitch for Muslim voters and
36:32
Speaker 1: voting signs entirely in Arabic, excepting the attacking Peter Dutton
36:35
Speaker 1: by name, or a Muslim only political lobby group, or
36:39
Speaker 1: the Victorian Turkish Alliance backing Muslim backing a Muslim labor
36:43
Speaker 1: candidate saying most importantly want to see Muslim MP's in
36:46
Speaker 1: Parliament and Muslim always understands better than a non Muslim.
36:50
Speaker 1: John miss the panel this thoro of the Late Debate
36:52
Speaker 1: here on Sky weekdays at ten pm. A Stephen Trevoura,
36:55
Speaker 1: an authorancy in the elector in history at Campaign College.
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Speaker 1: As Stephen, have you ever seen an election which so
37:02
Speaker 1: openly appeals to voters by race or religion, and where
37:07
Speaker 1: ethnicity and foreign concerns count for some parties more than
37:10
Speaker 1: Australian interests.
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Speaker 8: I haven't. Actually, it's not that religion or ethnicity has
37:16
Speaker 8: never come into an election, but as you say, it's
37:18
Speaker 8: never been this intense. And this is the upshot of
37:21
Speaker 8: a problem that's been emerging for decades because of a
37:24
Speaker 8: very irresponsible immigration policy pursued by both parties. And what
37:28
Speaker 8: people have to understand is that the immigration after nineteen
37:32
Speaker 8: forty five was so successful for three reasons. Australians we
37:36
Speaker 8: knew who we were. We brought in people from regions
37:39
Speaker 8: of Europe who would easily fit into our culture. And third,
37:45
Speaker 8: our policy was assimilation. The expectation was that you would
37:48
Speaker 8: become like us, whereas post Whitlam that's all been turned
37:52
Speaker 8: on its head. People are not taught to appreciate our
37:55
Speaker 8: Anglo Celtic heritage. In fact, we're taught to despise it.
37:58
Speaker 8: And see the Anglo Celtic heritage is this colonization. We're
38:02
Speaker 8: bringing in people from radically different cultural regions of the
38:06
Speaker 8: world in massive numbers, and we're bringing them in under
38:09
Speaker 8: a policy of multiculturalism which doesn't encourage people to fit
38:13
Speaker 8: in culturally at all, and it's proving to be an
38:16
Speaker 8: absolute disaster. It's creating a very fractured and divided Australia.
38:21
Speaker 8: And the first thing that needs to be done is
38:23
Speaker 8: for some politician or some Prime minister have the guts
38:26
Speaker 8: to say we need to abolish multiculturalism and focus on
38:30
Speaker 8: Australia's Anglo Celtic heritage as what needs to be conformed
38:34
Speaker 8: to to try to reunite this country over the next years.
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Speaker 1: Liz, that's my wonder whether I wonder whether this helps
38:45
Speaker 1: explain why there be so few appeals to the national interests,
38:48
Speaker 1: like a labor defense policy, launch this selection? Where is it?
38:52
Speaker 1: You know, because we are so fragmented, we are so
38:57
Speaker 1: in our own little silos of identity and ethnicity and
39:01
Speaker 1: religion that you see the part is both of them
39:03
Speaker 1: going around saying I'm going to give this grant to
39:06
Speaker 1: you guys, and I'm talking to you guys. You get
39:09
Speaker 1: this from me, and you get that from me. And
39:11
Speaker 1: it's all about sexual interests, not about national interest.
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Speaker 14: And is it any wonder, Andrew, when a third of
39:17
Speaker 14: the Australian population today wasn't even born here. These governments,
39:24
Speaker 14: as doctor Shaverro just explained, have for decades now imported
39:28
Speaker 14: people from all different colors, creeds, races, religions. We are
39:34
Speaker 14: now this melting pot. So come in an Australian election,
39:38
Speaker 14: these politicians have to shill hard for millions of votes
39:42
Speaker 14: from people whose own culture and again they were told
39:46
Speaker 14: come here, you don't have to assimilate. Just be as
39:49
Speaker 14: you are, live as you were. But here in Australia
39:52
Speaker 14: they move here in the millions, they form their own enclaves,
39:55
Speaker 14: and then our politicians have to shield for their votes.
39:58
Speaker 14: It's the only way to get into power in Australia.
40:02
Speaker 14: And then we wonder, oh, it's so divisive, Why are
40:05
Speaker 14: we so separated? It was always going to happen. Strong
40:10
Speaker 14: countries are synonymous with a homogeneous society. You get rid
40:14
Speaker 14: of that and you have chaos. And the really interesting thing,
40:18
Speaker 14: I should say, alarming thing Andrew about this is you
40:21
Speaker 14: cannot name a single Western country that doesn't have this
40:26
Speaker 14: problem today for the exact same reason, and that is
40:29
Speaker 14: mass immigration at lightning speed. Which is why just this
40:34
Speaker 14: just this weekend gone, while we were celebrating Anzac Day
40:38
Speaker 14: in England, in Ireland, in Germany, there were hundreds of
40:44
Speaker 14: thousands of protesters that took to the street to say
40:48
Speaker 14: we are sick of this and to demand that their
40:51
Speaker 14: governments sot this mass immigration because people are sick and
40:55
Speaker 14: tired of becoming a minority in their own countries. And
40:58
Speaker 14: like you say, here in Australia we're seeing Australian interests ignored.
41:04
Speaker 14: They're seeing the same and people en mass are utterly
41:08
Speaker 14: sick of it. In western nations across.
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Speaker 1: The world, Yeah, I saw photo pictures of the rally
41:14
Speaker 1: in Ireland. This is quite extraordinary. I big it was, Stephen.
41:17
Speaker 1: I'm almost out of time, but I'm going to ask you.
41:20
Speaker 1: This is one reason why I'm against Welcome to the Country,
41:23
Speaker 1: because when you've got such a fractured, disparate polity of
41:27
Speaker 1: people from all around the world, you need to focus.
41:30
Speaker 1: The government's duty is to focus on what unites us,
41:33
Speaker 1: not push ceremonies that emphasize the vision and pushes into
41:37
Speaker 1: racial identities. Welcome to Country. Is that something that actually
41:40
Speaker 1: works against the national interest.
41:43
Speaker 8: It absolutely does. It completely creates division because the whole
41:46
Speaker 8: idea of a welcome to Country is one tribe, one
41:51
Speaker 8: people saying to another people, Hey, this isn't your territory,
41:55
Speaker 8: but we are permitting you to cross over it. And
41:58
Speaker 8: you know, by virtue of the fact that we permit
42:00
Speaker 8: you to cross over it, we're not going to be
42:02
Speaker 8: at war with you. It's an indulgence. And so when
42:04
Speaker 8: that is directed to Australians, it is Indigenous leaders saying, hey,
42:08
Speaker 8: this isn't your territory. You are here by our permission.
42:12
Speaker 8: And that's exactly what gets Australians off side, and it's
42:15
Speaker 8: exactly what's causing so much division, especially during Anzac Day period.
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Speaker 1: And it's also why the children of cultures from which
42:24
Speaker 1: much prouder and stronger traditions would rather keep their own
42:28
Speaker 1: than embrace something that's so ridden with guilt and you know,
42:32
Speaker 1: saying you can't belong too much, it's not really your country.
42:35
Speaker 1: Liz Thoro, Stephen Trevoura, thank you very much for your
42:38
Speaker 1: time after the break. How Hamas has fooled the media again.
42:44
Speaker 1: It's this extraordinary story. Plus Donald Trump has hurt Peter
42:49
Speaker 1: Dunton in this election could cost them, but tonight you
42:52
Speaker 1: could cost another election as well. Britain's BBC, their version
43:00
Speaker 1: of our ABC, has embarrassed itself again, horribly dupes for Hamas,
43:08
Speaker 1: the terrorist group that started this war with israelbi slaughtering
43:10
Speaker 1: twelve hundred Jews. I told you a couple of months
43:12
Speaker 1: ago how Hamas had got the BBC to run a
43:16
Speaker 1: whole hour of its propaganda about how fortunate and Gaza
43:19
Speaker 1: tried to survive the bombs and bullets of those wicked Israelis.
43:22
Speaker 1: As opposed documentary narrated by a thirty year old boy
43:26
Speaker 1: who turned out to be the son of this man.
43:29
Speaker 1: Third from the left in Hamas colors a minister in
43:31
Speaker 1: the Hamas government, and another child featured was the daughter
43:35
Speaker 1: of a captain and they mask controlled police. Now it's
43:39
Speaker 1: being revealed that a BBC freelancer used repeatedly by the
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Speaker 1: BBC also repeatedly incited violence against Jews, including calling for
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Speaker 1: them to be burned as Hitler did, and he praised
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Speaker 1: more than thirty attacks on Israeli civilians over the past decade.
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Speaker 1: Joinery from London, his writer brought comment, it's to crank.
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Speaker 1: So look, I know it is very difficult to trust
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Speaker 1: anyone that you hire from, particularly you know, Gaza, a
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Speaker 1: territory run by Hamas. Of course the local staff most
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Speaker 1: likely be controlled by Hamas. But how can the BBC
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Speaker 1: be used like this again and again by Hermas and
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Speaker 1: its supporters.
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Speaker 10: The BBC's lack of due diligence has actually is actually
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Speaker 10: quite stunning. I mean this has really plummeted the credibility
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Speaker 10: to new lows and I didn't think this was possible.
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Speaker 10: This documentary that they were showing on BBC ITV iPlayer,
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Speaker 10: which has now been pulled, has been brought with just inaccuracies, inconsistencies,
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Speaker 10: the fact.
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Speaker 1: That the BBC didn't do its due diligence to.
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Speaker 10: Even find out a lot about the production company that
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Speaker 10: they hired to produce. This is really a problem, and
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Speaker 10: what this stems from is the internal hiring issues that
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Speaker 10: the BBC has. So obviously you have people within the
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Speaker 10: BBC that have certain leanings, which is why, which explains
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Speaker 10: the bizarre stance of the BBC to not even label
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Speaker 10: her Mass a terrorist group even though they've been designated
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Speaker 10: a terrorist group by the British government, and so that
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Speaker 10: seeps down into the content that they produce, and so
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Speaker 10: these people don't feel the need to do any sort
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Speaker 10: of due diligence. Bear in mind, this documentary was by
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Speaker 10: the way, released in twenty nineteen, so it wasn't even
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Speaker 10: at the start of this latest war in Gaza. This
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Speaker 10: was back in twenty nineteen when this was released and
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Speaker 10: has been available on the BBC side for years. And
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Speaker 10: now the BBC has had to release this groveling apology
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Speaker 10: saying you know, no Stone will be left unturned. There
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Speaker 10: have been, you know, flaws that have just been inexcusable.
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Speaker 10: But why did they let it get this far? Why
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Speaker 10: did they put tax payer money behind this? What is
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Speaker 10: clearly propaganda? And I understand the difficulties in getting actual
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Speaker 10: credible journalists into the Gaza territory. You know, this particular
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Speaker 10: war has had the highest casualty rate of journalists of
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Speaker 10: any modern war, even more than the Ukraine War. So
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Speaker 10: I totally understand that, but this is completely inexcusable. You
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Speaker 10: might as well not run it because anything that you're
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Speaker 10: running at that point is her mass propaganda. And so
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Speaker 10: people are left questioning, actually, why are we being forced
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Speaker 10: to pay the BBC life since if they can't do
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Speaker 10: the basic due diligence on things like this.
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Speaker 1: Well, one reason for the HRT casual we've rd among
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Speaker 1: journalists and in the guards of the strip is that
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Speaker 1: so many of them are actually har mass operatives, killed
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Speaker 1: as Hamas operatives, they claiming to be journalists. The Trump
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Speaker 1: factor esther Donald Trump has helped to conserve conservative destroy
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Speaker 1: conservative leaders in the rest of the West. I mean,
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Speaker 1: in Canada, the Conservative leader Pierre Poliev was on his
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Speaker 1: way to winning the governing Liberals. The governing Liberals absolutely smashed.
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Speaker 1: It looked like then Trump declared the Trump a trade
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Speaker 1: war on Canada. Now the Liberals looked at winning the
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Speaker 1: election tomorrow at our time. And in Australia, of course,
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Speaker 1: Peter Utton's opposition was head of the Labor governm un
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Speaker 1: til Trump got into business and made the Liberals seem
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Speaker 1: a risky bit. How is it playing out in Britain,
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Speaker 1: particularly with the Reform leader Najah Farage such a friend
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Speaker 1: of Trump.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's interesting because the Reform Party has somehow managed
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Speaker 10: to distance it self from Trump in a way, and
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Speaker 10: thanks actually to Elon Musk with the intervention saying that
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Speaker 10: Nigel Faraj is not fit to be leader. I think
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Speaker 10: people saw that as actually he's willing to stand up
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Speaker 10: for British interests and I think that's a bit of
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Speaker 10: the crisis that you've seen in Canada and in Australia.
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Speaker 10: We see conservatives in these countries having a bit of
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Speaker 10: an identity crisis that someone like you know, Donald Trump
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Speaker 10: can make statements and can do things that can affect
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Speaker 10: the strength of their movement.
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Speaker 8: There is no reason for Mark.
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Speaker 10: Carney and the Liberal Party in Canada to somehow win reelection.
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Speaker 10: I mean, we couldn't get rid of him fast enough
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Speaker 10: as governor of the Bank of England, where he did
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Speaker 10: a terrible job, a terrible job. For some reason, the
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Speaker 10: Canucks across the pond don't remember that. It's more about
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Speaker 10: the identity crisis and how they're actually appealing their message
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Speaker 10: to the population, and whether they stand strong in their
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Speaker 10: message and actually seem like a positive alternative as opposed
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Speaker 10: to just knocking down the opposition, which is no longer
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Speaker 10: good enough. You actually have to have an identity and
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Speaker 10: stand for something and give people inspiration and hope. And
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Speaker 10: that's something that conservatives across many of the Western world
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Speaker 10: are trying to figure out.
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Speaker 1: S You've absolutely nailed it there, absolutely nail there. And
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Speaker 1: I've got to say that I always have been saying
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Speaker 1: for many, many weeks that that should pick a fight
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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and like Naga Farrage, well Nige with
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Speaker 1: a proxy elow mask, because it did. Wonders for for
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Speaker 1: Farage could have helped it pick it up in too late.
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Speaker 1: Esther cractly, thank you so much in deed for your time.
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Speaker 1: Coming up now, Sharry Markson good night