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What excuse do Democrats have for keeping DHS closed during wartime? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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Speaker 1: Tom Cotton from the great state of Arkansas. Senator Cotton,
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. I hope you have a
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Speaker 1: happy Easter week with your family. I appreciate you taking
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Speaker 1: the time to talk to me. First question, I was
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Speaker 1: on Fox earlier today and I cannot believe the Democrats
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Speaker 1: have closed the Department of Homeland Security thirty days into
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Speaker 1: a war. What are they thinking.
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Speaker 2: You They're scared or they're in league with their radical
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Speaker 2: left wing base. I can tell you last week that
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Speaker 2: on more than one occasion, Chuck Schumer had agreed to
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Speaker 2: a deal that would fund all of Homeland Security aside
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Speaker 2: from ice and border patrol, which we pre funded last
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Speaker 2: year in our big budget ill in which we plan
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Speaker 2: to return and pass a new budget that will fund
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Speaker 2: them even further into future. And they constantly moved the
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Speaker 2: goalposts on those agreements and reneged on them. One key
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Speaker 2: sticking point he is the issue of masks. I don't
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Speaker 2: think ICE officers want to wear masks to you, but
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Speaker 2: they have to because otherwise the radical left will dox
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Speaker 2: them and then left wing street militias will prize their
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Speaker 2: wives and their kids at their homes. And that's where
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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer and Democrats have drawn a line in the sand.
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Speaker 2: We'll obviously, we're obviously never going to agree to that,
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Speaker 2: So we'll continue with the plan we had in place,
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Speaker 2: which is to use the budget reconciliation process to make
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Speaker 2: sure that we fund ICE and border patrol well into
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Speaker 2: the future, probably the TSA now that we know chruction
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Speaker 2: where in the Democrats are willing to inflict long lines
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Speaker 2: on the American flying public and no paychecks on TSA agents.
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Speaker 2: And then at that point you assume that the Democrats
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Speaker 2: would go into town, because why would they continue to
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Speaker 2: stay hold the Coast Guard and the Secret Service hostage
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Speaker 2: that they have nothing to show for their extremism and obstructionism.
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Speaker 1: Senator, When I looked into DHS two hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: thousand employees, and there is something called the Cyber and
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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Security Agency, as well as the Coastguard, FEMA, Secret Service,
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Speaker 1: a bunch of other things besides TSA in wartime, isn't
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Speaker 1: everyone basically an essential employee at the Cyber and Infrastructure
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Speaker 1: Security Agency and they're not getting paid.
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Speaker 2: He It's an important agency, little known agency, but they
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Speaker 2: do very critical work. And that's again another example of
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Speaker 2: just how radical and ideological Democrats have become. We're fighting
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Speaker 2: against the enemy that has well known cyber capabilities that
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Speaker 2: have used them against US interests in the past, and
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Speaker 2: they would rather keep the cyber Security Agency inside of
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Speaker 2: DHS unfunded rather than allow the men and women of
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Speaker 2: Ice and Border Patrol to do their jobs to protect
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Speaker 2: our nation from dangerous illegal aliens.
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Speaker 1: Now. I was on Fox earlier today and Sandra Smith
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Speaker 1: asked me to make sense of this, and I really can't.
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Speaker 1: Forty five days ago, we weren't in a battle, and
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Speaker 1: so maybe there was a political argument. But if anything
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Speaker 1: happens now, and these lines at airports are the softest
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Speaker 1: target in the world, but anything happens anywhere by a
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Speaker 1: Hezbollah or an Iranian proxy, that's on the Democrats. Don't
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Speaker 1: they realize that?
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Speaker 2: And you just again to stress again. Republicans in the
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Speaker 2: Saria anticipated that the Democrats might full a stunt like this.
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Speaker 2: That's why last summer we pre funded ice and boarder
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Speaker 2: patrol for several years. So the Democrats are getting nothing
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Speaker 2: out of this. Not only are ice and boarder patrol
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Speaker 2: working because they're essential government employees, they are also being paid.
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Speaker 2: But the Democrats are willing to inflict long lines on
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Speaker 2: the flying public or withholding pay checks to SAAH answer
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Speaker 2: Coast Guard officers or people who are working at the
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Speaker 2: Cybersecurity Agency or at the Secret Service or at FEMA
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Speaker 2: because their radical left hates our immigration police and wants
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Speaker 2: to defund them even though it has no immediate effect
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Speaker 2: on them.
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Speaker 1: So SATA, how long will this? This is actually a
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Speaker 1: vulnerability with Iran is down to two things, the straight
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Speaker 1: and whatever they can do the terrorists, I guess three
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Speaker 1: things and the internet cyber attacks that's all they've got.
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Speaker 1: Less how long are the Democrats going to leave us
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Speaker 1: naked on this?
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Speaker 2: I think they're willing to do it in definitely think
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Speaker 2: that's why we've said that we're done with Chuck Shimmer
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Speaker 2: continuing to move the goalposts. We're going to move out
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Speaker 2: on a republican budget reconciliation process that will allow us
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Speaker 2: to fund these critical agencies. You can give the Democrats
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Speaker 2: holding the bag with nothing in return.
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Speaker 1: All right now, the last time we talked about reconciliation,
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Speaker 1: the gone hat and sent over an official request. Have
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Speaker 1: they done that yet for a supplemental I.
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Speaker 2: Don't think so yet. To you, it takes some time
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Speaker 2: to make sure all the eyes are dotted and the
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Speaker 2: t'ser cross, not just at the Pentagon, but also with
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Speaker 2: the budget reconciliation process, So we still have some time.
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Speaker 2: I would remind all your listeners to you that we
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Speaker 2: still have two more shots at the reconciliation process as well,
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Speaker 2: so we don't have to include all the needed funds
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Speaker 2: to protect this nation in one single bill. We might
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Speaker 2: try to move out and do that. It's to be
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Speaker 2: determined on whether or not the Pentagon will be in
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Speaker 2: a position yet to provide us those numbers. But there
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Speaker 2: is the possibility that we could pass two more bills,
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Speaker 2: one for homeland security and one for our military.
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Speaker 1: All right now, I want to switch to the actual battle. Senator,
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Speaker 1: you're a soldier, you're a vet. You know the costs
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Speaker 1: that's already been born by thirteen families and thirty additional
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Speaker 1: seriously wounded people, and hundreds of people with injuries. And
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Speaker 1: that's just the American side. How much can the United
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Speaker 1: States put up with in terms of months of this
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Speaker 1: kind of conflict? Do you think.
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Speaker 2: I've set from the beginning that I expected this campaign
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Speaker 2: with the last weeks, not months. Here, four weeks into it.
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Speaker 2: I'll stick to that for now, because whenever I get updates,
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Speaker 2: and I get updates, whether it's in briefings or fearings
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Speaker 2: or phone calls or meetings with administration officials, almost every day,
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Speaker 2: I hear the same consistent message. We are on time
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Speaker 2: or head of schedule on every single line of effort,
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Speaker 2: their missiles, their missile launchers, their drones, their navy, their
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Speaker 2: manufacturing sites, their commanding control facilities. The military campaign is
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Speaker 2: going exceptionally well. I agreeve, as do all our cantons
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Speaker 2: for those soldiers who we lost and for their families,
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Speaker 2: and for the injuries, for the losses of equipment at hardware.
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Speaker 2: We may have more losses ahead, but in the long run,
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Speaker 2: it is to our great, great national security advantage that
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Speaker 2: we finally defame in New York, this terroriced revolution regime
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Speaker 2: that has been spreading chaos and violence against the United
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Speaker 2: States and the civilized world for forty seven years.
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Speaker 1: So last question, Senator, It's crept into some of the
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Speaker 1: discussion from analysts, and none of us know anything because
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Speaker 1: we're not we don't have clearances that we don't we
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Speaker 1: can't dislodge, we can't defeat the IRGC. They are veterans
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Speaker 1: of the eighty three eighty eight long war with Iran
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Speaker 1: in Iraq and that they will never ever surrender. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe that.
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Speaker 2: They may not ever surrender, Hugh, But we're defeating a
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Speaker 2: lot of them every sale day as we continue to
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Speaker 2: target and kill their leaders. And remember, the Revolutionary Guard
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Speaker 2: boards very different today than it was forty seven years ago,
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Speaker 2: or even thirty seven years ago against the Iran Iraq War,
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Speaker 2: after they still in the flush of revolutionary fervor. It
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Speaker 2: is now well documented. In fact, I think the Wall
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Speaker 2: Street Journal has a story about to day that much
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Speaker 2: of what holds the Revolutionary Guard core together is not
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Speaker 2: ideology but corruption and get backs and payoffs and bribes.
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Speaker 2: And that's something that once the regime is defamed militarily,
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Speaker 2: once the security services have their wings clipped that the
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Speaker 2: Iranian people, I would imagine, are not going to put
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Speaker 2: up with.
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Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton. Happy Easter to you and your family.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me, and I hope you can
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Speaker 1: get the Democrats to wake up to the fact that
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Speaker 1: we are playing politics at our peril. I appreciate your
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Speaker 1: joining me to take care. Welcome back to Americay, Hugh
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Speaker 1: Hewett inside the Beltwagh joined from Israel by doctor Michael
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Speaker 1: Orn former is really ambassador to the United States Doctor Orran.
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Speaker 1: I had a four hour drive this morning, so I
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Speaker 1: listened to every podcast that matter, Dan Senor talking with
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Speaker 1: Fred Kagan and Adobt a commentary to Jonathan Schanzer, and
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Speaker 1: the one thing that stuck out, well a lot suck out,
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Speaker 1: but Fred Kagan said, the Iranians have no idea how
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Speaker 1: badly they've been hurt. You know, I got to thinking
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Speaker 1: about that. They don't do they nobody's talking to each
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Speaker 1: other in Iran.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's possible they're going to wake up in the
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Speaker 3: morning after, if there's a morning after, and.
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Speaker 4: Find out that they don't have very much.
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Speaker 5: Again, they have a different cut concept of victory.
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Speaker 4: Than we have in the West. You know, we count
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Speaker 4: boats sunk and.
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Speaker 3: Factories destroyed or unfortunately reminds me of a lot of
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Speaker 3: the Body Council of the Vietnam War. They have a different,
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Speaker 3: different definition of victory is that they just want to survive.
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Speaker 3: They're like Hamas and Gaza, and they don't think in
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Speaker 3: terms of you know, days and weeks and months. They
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Speaker 3: think in terms of years and decades. Oh, we'll be rebuilt,
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Speaker 3: especially we can get sanctions relief, then we'll rebuild. We
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Speaker 3: have to fight two wars that seeks victory by our terms,
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Speaker 3: but also victory by their terms.
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Speaker 1: So in terms of whether or not a regime is
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Speaker 1: left in place that we can do a deal with,
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Speaker 1: are you optimistic about that at all? In other words,
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Speaker 1: here's our enriched uranium. Here, send your inspectors anywhere they want,
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Speaker 1: and we'll blow up the missiles that you don't want.
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Speaker 1: But we want to stay in power. Is that possible?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's possible if you look at how the Iraq
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Speaker 5: Iran War ended.
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Speaker 3: When the leaders of the Iran regime said, we know
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Speaker 3: we have to drink from the poison chalice kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: You didn't have a poison chalice moment, but you're still
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Speaker 3: gonna have to verify that poison.
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Speaker 5: Chalice very compliance with it, very very closely. But it's unlikely.
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Speaker 1: It's unlikely.
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Speaker 4: That's all I can say.
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Speaker 3: And there may be very well at tipping point, a
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Speaker 3: breaking point, whether it's internal or external, people in the
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Speaker 3: street as a breaking point. The major issue here is
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Speaker 3: whether the United States and Israel can continue to stand strong,
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Speaker 3: stand together and see this through to the end, because
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Speaker 3: there is an end.
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Speaker 4: There is an end of that, I'm certain.
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Speaker 3: And you know, we've just had two missiles fired at
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Speaker 3: us in the last hour, Hugh, We've got my daughter
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Speaker 3: was under constant fire from his bulla in the north
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Speaker 3: in the Galilee today.
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Speaker 4: We're tough people, We're resilient. We're willing to see this
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Speaker 4: through the end. Uh. And you know we're asking the
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Speaker 4: United States.
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Speaker 5: We understand the American people are paying more at their
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Speaker 5: gas pumps.
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Speaker 3: Through that the prices are going up in many fields
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Speaker 3: that are related to petroleum. We understand that, but we
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Speaker 3: ought to make the case that this is essential for
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Speaker 3: the peace of the United States, the peace of the world,
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Speaker 3: and to the presidents. If he sees this through, he
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Speaker 3: will not go down as one of the great presidents,
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Speaker 3: will go down to one of the great leaders in.
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Speaker 1: History now, DoD Oran. There are at least thirteen American
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Speaker 1: families who will not have someone coming home from this war,
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Speaker 1: at least twenty in Israel. Our golf allies have twenty
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Speaker 1: five plus. The cause in human loss is extraordinary. That said,
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Speaker 1: how much more can the two countries take in terms
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Speaker 1: of casualties before one of the other blinks?
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Speaker 5: You mean Israel and the United States, or the two
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Speaker 5: of us in Iran?
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Speaker 1: No, two of the Israel in the United States. Never
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Speaker 1: forget about Iran. They'll tell their people all day.
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Speaker 3: I can't speak for the United States. I can speak
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Speaker 3: for the Essays speak for the state of Israel. We
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Speaker 3: know we have no choice. We know if we don't
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Speaker 3: prevail against his bull and Lebanon, and basically his bull
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Speaker 3: is just a branch of Iran, right then we lose
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Speaker 3: the galley, lose part of the country.
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Speaker 5: And this country's tiny, so it's an existential.
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Speaker 4: Issue for us.
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Speaker 3: We understand that it's really military has called up four
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand reservers. That's proportionally significantly more Americans than fought
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Speaker 3: in all of World War Two, and people are leaving
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Speaker 3: their homes, leaving their families and their jobs to go
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Speaker 3: out and fight, pick up a gun and go out
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Speaker 3: and fight because.
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Speaker 4: They know they have no choice.
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Speaker 3: We do all do and it, believe me, it's unpleasant
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Speaker 3: to run to this bomb shelter several times a night,
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Speaker 3: but we know, we know that at the end of
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Speaker 3: the day, this is our lives, these are our families,
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Speaker 3: this is our country.
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Speaker 5: And I don't want to believe the point, but it
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Speaker 5: literally is no choice.
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Speaker 1: Now, doctor, And you know everyone in the government and
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Speaker 1: outside of the government to what extent is Hezbollah hanging
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Speaker 1: by a thread or are they as resilient as Hamas
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Speaker 1: in the tunnels? Do they have that kind of network
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Speaker 1: to retreat into and hide.
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Speaker 3: They actually have a deeper network, because Lebanon is signifally deeper,
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Speaker 3: bigger than than Gaza.
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Speaker 1: But not just that.
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Speaker 3: They can hide in the cities, They can hide in villages.
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Speaker 3: They can use the entire population of Lebanon as human shields.
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Speaker 3: The major thing with his Bula is can we cut
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Speaker 3: them off from their oxygen? And their oxygen is Iran.
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Speaker 3: Now the Syrians have closed off their border.
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Speaker 4: I don't know how.
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Speaker 3: Poorous that border is even when it's closed. But if
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Speaker 3: we can defeat Iran, we will defeat his bula. That
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Speaker 3: is what we call here, cutting off the head of
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Speaker 3: the snake or the head of the octopus, whatever you know,
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Speaker 3: reptilian or.
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Speaker 4: Marine metaphor you want to use.
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Speaker 5: And so these fights are all interrelated.
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Speaker 3: And again we're going to have to keep fighting his bula.
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Speaker 4: We've made a new defense line along the Tani River.
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Speaker 3: It's about about ten miles from our border, about ten
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Speaker 3: miles north of our border.
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Speaker 4: But the fighting there is very intense.
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Speaker 5: It is very intense, and his Bulla is far from defeated.
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Speaker 1: Right now, earlier today, maybe in the last hour, the
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Speaker 1: ID they've completed another wave of attacks in Tehran and
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Speaker 1: that they finished their primary target list and they're moving
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Speaker 1: on to economic targets, meaning the industrial base of Iran.
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Speaker 1: Is that consistent with what you've seen on the air.
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Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, And it's a decision not taking lightly because
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Speaker 3: the last thing you want to do is to hurt
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Speaker 3: the people of Iran. And you heard Secretary of State
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Speaker 3: Rubio said that these are our peace loving people.
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Speaker 4: For the most part. We want peace with them.
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Speaker 5: We had peace with them before nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 4: We want to go back to there.
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Speaker 3: And it is with a great regret that we would
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Speaker 3: cause them any discomfort or worse, but we may have
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Speaker 3: no choice. And again, if Iran keeps on pounding energy
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Speaker 3: sources in the Middle East, and today they shot at
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Speaker 3: both at the Haifa refinery, set one of them ablaze,
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Speaker 3: and you know, we could be sitting in the darky also,
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Speaker 3: so we may have no choice, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, So closing our in here. When the American people
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Speaker 1: look up and there's been gone for thirty day, I
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Speaker 1: think it's going to go to June. To tell you,
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Speaker 1: that's Hugh Ywittt's opinion based on not knowing anything except
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Speaker 1: talking to smart people. And I'm an American, so I'm
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Speaker 1: not paying anything other than a dollar a gallon of
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Speaker 1: gas ken Israel lasts until June under these circumstances.
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Speaker 4: Of course, of course we can listen.
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Speaker 3: We've been in this war for three years with very
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Speaker 3: little let up, by the way, and there have been
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Speaker 3: times in this war where it's actually been much more
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Speaker 3: difficult than it is now. Iran, during the twelve Day
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Speaker 3: Battle last summer, was hitting us more intensely with more
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Speaker 3: missiles every day. During the opening months of the Gaza
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Speaker 3: war and with his bullet in the North October November
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Speaker 3: December twenty twenty three, and then twenty twenty four, far
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Speaker 3: more intense barrages from both the South and the North.
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Speaker 4: We are a very resilient people.
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Speaker 5: We will be celebrating Passover this week.
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Speaker 4: We got through slavery in Egypt. We got through forty
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Speaker 4: years of wandering in the desert. We're going to get
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Speaker 4: through this too.
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Speaker 1: Well. Get through a commercial break. I have one political
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Speaker 1: question for you, but if you can't, don't worry about it.
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Speaker 1: I know you're a great demand and I appreciate the time.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Lauren, former israily Ambassador of the United States
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Speaker 1: politics here America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Welcome. I am joined
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Speaker 1: by John pod Hortz, editor of Commentary Magazine. He is
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Speaker 1: also the host Monday through Friday, most Monday through Fridays
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Speaker 1: of the Commentary Magazine podcast, John, I listened to you today.
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Speaker 1: I listened to have Ready Go talk about Passover with
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Speaker 1: a Rabbi. I listened to Dan Senor and talk with
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Speaker 1: Fred Kagan and with Nadavi Y'all. I listened to Jonathan
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Speaker 1: Sandser to the FDD. So I've had a four and
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Speaker 1: a half hour drive this morning, so I might be
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Speaker 1: a little bit mixed up on where I heard what,
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Speaker 1: So give me a little grace here. I want to
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Speaker 1: start with the most important question always, Have you seen
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Speaker 1: Operation Mincemeat on Broadway?
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Speaker 6: I have not, but my wife went to see it
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Speaker 6: last week or the week before, so I consider that
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Speaker 6: I've seen it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So the premise of it is the ally spend
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Speaker 1: the w a lot of time cooking up elaborate ruses
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Speaker 1: to fool the enemy. Why should we believe anyone saying anything?
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Speaker 6: Now, that's very very important, and it is very important
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Speaker 6: to note that one in the tactics of the Trump
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Speaker 6: administration is to throw a lot of lines in the water.
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Speaker 6: We're gonna take card, We're not going to take card.
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Speaker 6: We're negotiating package. There's going to be negotiations in Pakistan.
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Speaker 6: We are not doing regime change because we've already done
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Speaker 6: regime change. Maybe we should go get the the nuclear
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Speaker 6: materials out of the Ifsahon. Maybe we should not do anything.
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Speaker 6: Maybe we are done. Maybe we're going to land ground troops.
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Speaker 6: So it's not that you shouldn't believe anything. It's that
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Speaker 6: everything is on the table, and therefore you should view
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Speaker 6: this as the United States, having achieved military supremacy in
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Speaker 6: this war, is using its military supremacy in the war
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Speaker 6: to continue to signal to the Iranians that they kind
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Speaker 6: of have one last chance to give up, and giving
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Speaker 6: up would mean a lot of things, including telling us
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Speaker 6: where the nuclear materials are and allowing us to go
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Speaker 6: get them, among other things. And aside from that, there's
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Speaker 6: nothing to believe or not believe. Nothing is said determtively.
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Speaker 1: That is, by the way, exactly nodding through the commentary podcast,
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Speaker 1: which is fabulous today. By the way, I'm watching. I
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Speaker 1: sent my wife a tech about Kevin Klein and Laura Lenny,
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Speaker 1: which are two of her favorite people, and said she's
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Speaker 1: on the West coast. Watch this immediately. John doesn't get
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Speaker 1: excited about much television, so watching to me, we'll come back.
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Speaker 1: Back to the series. Stuff is the US the United
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Speaker 1: States as a whole better off today than we were
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Speaker 1: thirty one days ago.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't think we were at any
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Speaker 6: particular immediate risk thirty one days ago from Iran, and
19:16
Speaker 6: we're better off because now if we had been and
19:19
Speaker 6: we didn't know about it, Iran is obviously in no
19:21
Speaker 6: position to inflict any harm or damage on us. I
19:24
Speaker 6: do think we need to finish the job, and that
19:27
Speaker 6: what we've done is prepare the way for a huge
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Speaker 6: geopolitical historical triumph if we can just you know, put
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Speaker 6: our noses to the grindstone, and Trump can silence the
19:40
Speaker 6: voices in his ear that are telling him that maybe
19:43
Speaker 6: there's going to be there's a better off ramp and
19:47
Speaker 6: do end this thing with an unambiguous American victory that
19:52
Speaker 6: will reshape the geopolitics of the twenty first century.
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Speaker 1: I think that could be where we're headed. And I'm
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Speaker 1: glad to hear that you're at least in the realm
20:01
Speaker 1: of possibility with me. There is Israel our ally better
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Speaker 1: off today than it was thirty one days ago.
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Speaker 6: I mean, unambiguously, although you have to say less serial
20:11
Speaker 6: It hasn't been tough in the sense that you know,
20:14
Speaker 6: for Israeli normal Israeli life in this period has been canceled.
20:20
Speaker 6: You know, people at kids aren't going to school. People,
20:22
Speaker 6: it's very hard for people to go to work. People
20:24
Speaker 6: are going in and out of shelter six or seven
20:27
Speaker 6: times a day. There has been relatively minor damage inside
20:32
Speaker 6: Israel and relatively few deaths related to a gigantic number
20:37
Speaker 6: of barrage of ballistic missiles being fired at it, so
20:42
Speaker 6: life is harder immediately. The Israelis themselves seem to believe
20:46
Speaker 6: that what is going on is not only righteous but necessary.
20:49
Speaker 6: Support for the mission against Iran runs it around ninety percent.
20:53
Speaker 6: Israel Is also trying to clean up Hesbelah on its north,
20:58
Speaker 6: get rid of Hesbelah, and it's north, so it's no
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Speaker 6: longer threatened there, and so they think that they're better
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Speaker 6: off now.
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Speaker 1: John, I'm all of you an optimists. So I think
21:08
Speaker 1: we're going to win this decisively. We are winning decisively,
21:11
Speaker 1: but we have not yet won decisively. I think this decisively.
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Speaker 1: Will it be possible to say that ten to seven
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Speaker 1: as awful as it was was Israel in the West
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Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor two point zero?
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Speaker 6: I think that's I think the analogy is exact. I
21:31
Speaker 6: mean as a surprise sneak attack that shocked the conscience alarmed,
21:36
Speaker 6: made it clear just how dangerous and threatening the world
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Speaker 6: was to the United States, and that this irridentist actor
21:46
Speaker 6: was intending on throwing Israel under the bus, or you know,
21:52
Speaker 6: in the case of Pearl Harbor, of removing us as
21:56
Speaker 6: a player in the Pacific while the Japanese took over,
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Speaker 6: you know, the entirety of the Pacific and even the
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Speaker 6: South Pacific. Ten seven awakened Israel to the fact that
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Speaker 6: its strategy over the previous ten years had been and
22:15
Speaker 6: had been naive, and that it did not understand the
22:19
Speaker 6: misdirection that Hamas was up to in planning the war
22:22
Speaker 6: that it eventually launched and the tunnel system that it
22:25
Speaker 6: built in order to fight that war. And just similarly,
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Speaker 6: ten to seven then said to Israel, well, May and
22:34
Speaker 6: to Trump, I think, well, the status quo can no
22:38
Speaker 6: longer exist. We need to rewrite the rules for us
22:41
Speaker 6: to be safe for the next one hundred years. We're
22:44
Speaker 6: going to do that in Gaza. We're going to try
22:46
Speaker 6: to do it against Iran, which is the you know,
22:49
Speaker 6: which is the head of the beast. And then when
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Speaker 6: Trump won, Trump came in as not only a full partner,
22:56
Speaker 6: but a senior partner in that effort. I think think
23:00
Speaker 6: understanding particularly this year, it's an interesting case about the
23:06
Speaker 6: opportunistic nature of what has gone on this year, which
23:09
Speaker 6: is that it was this war that started on February
23:13
Speaker 6: twenty eighth started on February tari eighth because something started
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Speaker 6: in Iran on December twenty eighth, which is that the
23:21
Speaker 6: people of Iran rose up and revolted because the real
23:24
Speaker 6: had gone to have no value, and they were broke,
23:27
Speaker 6: and they had no money and they had nothing. And
23:29
Speaker 6: then the regime responded badly, and then they rose even further,
23:36
Speaker 6: and then the regime started showing them in the streets
23:39
Speaker 6: and the idea that the country itself was falling to
23:42
Speaker 6: pieces as a civil society, if it could ever be
23:44
Speaker 6: called that, and that this was a once in a
23:47
Speaker 6: lifetime opportunity with them weekend, with them having no air defenses,
23:51
Speaker 6: and with the with the populace restive and uncomfortable and
23:56
Speaker 6: clearly wanting something new, and Israel developing the entil diligence
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Speaker 6: that said, if we go on this date, certain we
24:03
Speaker 6: can decapitate the leadership all of those things coming into play.
24:07
Speaker 6: Trump said, it's a gift on a silver platter, like
24:11
Speaker 6: history doesn't provide these very often. It's not like he
24:14
Speaker 6: came into office saying, let's develop the way in which
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Speaker 6: we can take Iran out. Taking Iran out became something
24:21
Speaker 6: that developed over time in twenty twenty five, in early
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, and was a response to real world
24:28
Speaker 6: dynamic changes that we are taking advantage of.
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Speaker 1: Now I've already written the column, so it's already into Fox.
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Speaker 1: I'mp here tomorrow that begins. If President Trump succeeds in
24:41
Speaker 1: overseeing the toppling of the Iranian regime, it will rank
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Speaker 1: with the greatest achievements of presidents since World War Two
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Speaker 1: if it happens. Do you agree with me on that? Oh?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can't. In fact, oddly enough, it's
24:56
Speaker 6: hard to think of another aside from winning the Cold
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Speaker 6: War that will it will be as geo politically significant
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Speaker 6: as this victory over Iran would be.
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Speaker 1: No, it's nineteen eighty nine, That's what I keep telling people. Now.
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Speaker 1: I am also on the record with at least Guy
25:11
Speaker 1: Benson saying this is going to take at least until
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Speaker 1: June unless the conditions of regime collapse. We just can't
25:19
Speaker 1: seek because the Internet is down. Does the American public
25:22
Speaker 1: have the patience for a low casually though not no casually.
25:26
Speaker 1: There are thirteen breathing families this Easter passover who have
25:29
Speaker 1: washed it all, and there are others who are wounded.
25:32
Speaker 1: But do we have the capacity to go to June
25:34
Speaker 1: if it remains a low casualty situation?
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Speaker 6: I think absolutely, Because the sad part is I don't
25:43
Speaker 6: think the American people care very much. They're very uninvested
25:47
Speaker 6: in this. Unless gas prices go to two hundred and
25:49
Speaker 6: fifty dollars a barrel and suddenly it's costs nine dollars
25:53
Speaker 6: the gallon at the pump, what cost is being inflicted
25:57
Speaker 6: on any individual America can buy this conflict? There is
26:02
Speaker 6: no cost. There is no cost. No one in this country.
26:07
Speaker 6: One out of every three hundred and thirty people has
26:10
Speaker 6: a relative in the military. If that and the military
26:14
Speaker 6: is a volunteer. And from what we now, the military
26:17
Speaker 6: and people in the military are overwhelmingly in support of
26:20
Speaker 6: the mission, so they're not opposed to it.
26:22
Speaker 1: Who's opposed to it.
26:23
Speaker 6: Are democrats and people who think that war doesn't work
26:26
Speaker 6: and We've had a terrible time over the last twenty
26:28
Speaker 6: five years and haven't won anything.
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Speaker 1: But so I can't.
26:31
Speaker 6: I don't think Trump is going to get a lot
26:32
Speaker 6: of credit for what's going on. Clearly he isn't, But
26:35
Speaker 6: that doesn't mean that there is going to be overwhelming pressure.
26:39
Speaker 1: And we come back from break the hardest hit I've
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Speaker 1: been doing this show for twenty five and a half year.
26:44
Speaker 1: The hardest hit are USS Liberty, conspiracy Terrorist. But we'll
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Speaker 1: be back with John pod Howarts. Don't go anywhere in America.
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Speaker 1: I'm uqit, welcome back in America. I'm hue you at
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Speaker 1: John pod Howtz. I'm the editor in chief of Commentary
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Speaker 1: Magazine to the Daily Commentary podcast. I really recommend today, Monday,
27:04
Speaker 1: March thirtieth, because I had a fascinating conversation. I listened
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Speaker 1: to all of it today driving back from Southern Virginia
27:10
Speaker 1: about American public opinion and what works and what doesn't work.
27:14
Speaker 1: By the way, I think Ame and Eleanna are just wise,
27:17
Speaker 1: wise wise when they judge American public opinion. And I
27:21
Speaker 1: thought you and Christine had a very interesting exchange about
27:24
Speaker 1: what would he say? What would he do? Because in
27:27
Speaker 1: fact about Trump. There are very few people whose minds
27:30
Speaker 1: are going to change. Isn't that a fact? John? No
27:32
Speaker 1: matter he can win. I mean, we could have a
27:35
Speaker 1: patent movie made about it. It won't matter, and he
27:38
Speaker 1: might lose terribly and his supporters won't care. It's frozen.
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Speaker 6: Look we're playing. He's playing for history here. This is
27:45
Speaker 6: not about the next six months. It's not even about
27:47
Speaker 6: the rest of his term. What happens here is a
27:50
Speaker 6: world historical moment if he wins, and what happens is
27:53
Speaker 6: the failure of this presidency if he appears to end
27:57
Speaker 6: this on an inconclusive result, which is why he should
27:59
Speaker 6: go for all the marbles and not worried about what
28:03
Speaker 6: the immediate politics say. Even if, even if we need
28:06
Speaker 6: Republicans in the Senate the House start complaining and saying
28:09
Speaker 6: things are terrible, it doesn't make sense for him not
28:13
Speaker 6: to complete what he started because this is too big too.
28:19
Speaker 6: If you're going to make if you're going to take
28:20
Speaker 6: the risk and reap the reward, you were going to
28:24
Speaker 6: have to play the risk out. So my final point
28:28
Speaker 6: on that podcast, and I'll say today, is we're seeing
28:31
Speaker 6: the poll numbers looking really bad, right, but this is
28:34
Speaker 6: a very complicated thing. First of all, people say yes
28:37
Speaker 6: or no about things that they don't really care that
28:39
Speaker 6: much about and aren't of that much importance to them.
28:42
Speaker 6: And if they don't like Trump, they don't like the war,
28:44
Speaker 6: and that that's it. That's fine, it's over with. Among
28:48
Speaker 6: people who support Trump and who are Republicans, support for
28:53
Speaker 6: this war has been rising, not falling, and support for
28:57
Speaker 6: the war is at eighty to ninety five depending on
29:00
Speaker 6: how you calculate it. And that should matter less because
29:05
Speaker 6: you say, oh, well, he only as Republican supporting him,
29:07
Speaker 6: So what Publican and Democratic parties are at parody? They're
29:11
Speaker 6: both around forty two percent. Of course with leaners. If
29:14
Speaker 6: you look at the gallop, the gallop calculations of support
29:19
Speaker 6: for each party made this year so forty two, forty three,
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Speaker 6: forty four percent. So that's a lot of people. And
29:27
Speaker 6: if ninety percent of forty four percent of the public
29:31
Speaker 6: supports you, the bottom isn't going to fall.
29:33
Speaker 1: Out for Trump.
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Speaker 6: And the people who aren't in that forty in that
29:38
Speaker 6: in that number don't like him anyway and hate him
29:41
Speaker 6: and think he's awful and everything he does is monstrous,
29:44
Speaker 6: So he's got no play with them. There's nothing he
29:47
Speaker 6: can do with them. As he once joked, you know
29:49
Speaker 6: if he brought them the risen Christ, they would they
29:52
Speaker 6: would reject it. So I think under those circumstances he
29:57
Speaker 6: just should hold firm because tactically speaking, he's got all
30:02
Speaker 6: the backing that he'll ever be able to get.
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Speaker 1: And now the only thing that can go wrong John
30:09
Speaker 1: is an HMS Sheffield incident where Iran gets off a
30:12
Speaker 1: lucky ballistic and they hit or a Lincoln or the
30:15
Speaker 1: four that would change American a mass casually disaster, even
30:20
Speaker 1: though in the run up to Normandy, not on Normandy.
30:22
Speaker 1: The run up to Normandy, more than five thousand soldiers, sailors,
30:25
Speaker 1: herman and marine lost their lives practicing for Normandy. We
30:28
Speaker 1: don't have that capacity anymore. You raise something at the
30:32
Speaker 1: very end, two things actually, One was Ukraine has really
30:37
Speaker 1: stepped up, and I hope American's opinion that changing of
30:39
Speaker 1: Zelenski and it's certainly a changing in the Gulf. And
30:42
Speaker 1: then second, the reality of the Strait of Hormuz is
30:45
Speaker 1: now in front of us. Do you think it's possible
30:48
Speaker 1: that China takes a look at that and thinks, hmmm,
30:51
Speaker 1: we really don't want the Mulas in charge of the
30:53
Speaker 1: Strait of Hormuz. Maybe we don't want them to win.
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Speaker 6: I don't know if they want them to win or not.
30:59
Speaker 6: I think that they this is their alliance, and it's
31:03
Speaker 6: an anti American or you know, counter American alliance, and
31:07
Speaker 6: it may not be much of an alliance, but it's
31:08
Speaker 6: their alliance. And they don't shift very quickly the Chinese.
31:12
Speaker 6: So I wouldn't count on the Chinese coming in with
31:15
Speaker 6: us or something like that. But the point about horrm
31:17
Speaker 6: Movez that is really important is this. If you hate
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Speaker 6: this war, fine you. And if you're now using the
31:24
Speaker 6: fact that the Strait of Hormuz is being threatened by Iran, fine,
31:29
Speaker 6: But now that the threat has been raised and you're
31:32
Speaker 6: trying to use the threat to Hormuz as an example
31:34
Speaker 6: of why Trump screwed up by starting the war, also fine.
31:38
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that you then get to say I'm
31:42
Speaker 6: out of this, because if the Straight of Removes is
31:45
Speaker 6: threatened and the Islamic Republic of Iran remains in power,
31:49
Speaker 6: the Strait of Hormuz will never not be threatened again
31:52
Speaker 6: until they're gone. They've opened the Pandora's box it's there,
31:56
Speaker 6: it's threatened. They can threaten it at a moment's notice,
32:00
Speaker 6: and as could the people on the other side of
32:03
Speaker 6: the street, who certainly don't want to threaten it, but
32:05
Speaker 6: you know, you know who's on the other side, Dubai like,
32:08
Speaker 6: they could threaten it also, they could They could set
32:10
Speaker 6: a drone to get They don't want to, right, but
32:15
Speaker 6: we know Iran has opened this up as a possibility
32:19
Speaker 6: as their attempt to blackmail the world. Once they've decided
32:23
Speaker 6: to try to blackle the world this way, they gotta go,
32:27
Speaker 6: what are you going to do if we don't take
32:29
Speaker 6: them out?
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Speaker 1: You're gonna why what are you going to do?
32:32
Speaker 6: How do you not have them on August fifteenth to
32:37
Speaker 6: so fire a volley and blow up a tanker somewhere?
32:40
Speaker 6: Just just to make a point, you are a.
32:43
Speaker 1: Season you're a season Trump watcher, and you're a former
32:46
Speaker 1: White House speech writer. Is there because Christine was talking
32:50
Speaker 1: about making a speech to a sure Americans get the constancy?
32:55
Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible anymore in this media. But
32:57
Speaker 1: if you were going to write him the speech to
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Speaker 1: do that, what would it say? Would it say? Do
33:02
Speaker 1: you know how bad the Iranians are let me tell
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Speaker 1: you what, he's not really that kind of a rhetoricician.
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Speaker 6: It would probably be in three parts. Okay, the first
33:11
Speaker 6: part would be since nineteen seventy nine. So many of
33:15
Speaker 6: you were not born, so you don't understand what happened
33:18
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy nine and nineteen seventy nine.
33:20
Speaker 1: This regime came in.
33:22
Speaker 6: America weirdly abedded its creation, and then ten months later
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Speaker 6: they took fifty two Americans hostage and held them for
33:31
Speaker 6: four hundred and forty four days until a president came
33:35
Speaker 6: into power who frightened them so much that they relented
33:40
Speaker 6: and let the hostages go. And since then, for forty
33:43
Speaker 6: six years, they have been the world's leading sponsor of terrorism.
33:46
Speaker 6: They have fomented three major terrorist actors in the world,
33:50
Speaker 6: hesbal Ajamas and the Huthis. They have they started a
33:55
Speaker 6: war that where two million people were killed from nineteen
33:58
Speaker 6: eighty one to nineteen eighty nine, and they are developing
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Speaker 6: nuclear weapons which every president has had to deal with.
34:04
Speaker 6: They are bad and they shouldn't exist anymore. But their
34:08
Speaker 6: country's not bad. Their country is tw twenty five hundred
34:10
Speaker 6: years old. It's a great old civilization. This was a
34:13
Speaker 6: construct place there forty seven years ago. If it goes,
34:18
Speaker 6: we're not taking out the country. We are taking out
34:21
Speaker 6: a regime that is a modern, jury rigged, corrupt, radical,
34:27
Speaker 6: anti American force. And it's only to the good that
34:30
Speaker 6: they're gone and will only be to the good for
34:32
Speaker 6: those people and for the world. And we are showing
34:35
Speaker 6: the world what we are made of, what we can do,
34:37
Speaker 6: and what they should not think they can threaten us with.
34:41
Speaker 6: After this is over, and all for all those three reasons,
34:45
Speaker 6: we're going in and we're taking them out.
34:47
Speaker 1: I hope he does that, now, that's what I would
34:49
Speaker 1: thirty seconds.
34:50
Speaker 6: I don't think he's Yeah.
34:51
Speaker 1: He didn't have that game, but maybe he could get
34:53
Speaker 1: it thirty seconds on a scale of one to ten,
34:56
Speaker 1: with one being I don't know, smooth Holly and ten
34:59
Speaker 1: being Reagan walking on a recovic. What's the JCPOA.
35:04
Speaker 6: Well, nothing's bad as bad as s. Pauley, right, so
35:06
Speaker 6: the jcpoas well. The win JCPO is three. But if
35:10
Speaker 6: the JCPOA actually can be viewed as the start of
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Speaker 6: the reconstruction the Middle East, as it awakened people to
35:18
Speaker 6: the fact that unless Iran was stopped after this agreement,
35:22
Speaker 6: everything was going to go to hell. Then the j
35:24
Speaker 6: CPOA will have been, inadvertently, like ten to seven, a
35:28
Speaker 6: world changing moment, although the person who was responsible for
35:31
Speaker 6: it thought it would change the world in an entirely
35:33
Speaker 6: different way.
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Speaker 1: Best case scenario for President Obama. Right there, John pod Or,
35:37
Speaker 1: it's always good to talk to you. I fall him
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Speaker 1: on action, Jay pot Orritz stay tuned, America. Welcome back
35:46
Speaker 1: in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt and meet Schagahal has been
35:49
Speaker 1: my guest before. He is the lead analyst on Channel
35:52
Speaker 1: twelve in Israel, the author of a fine, splendid book,
35:55
Speaker 1: The call at four am that will, if it's possible,
35:58
Speaker 1: explain is Raley pout to you. It's not really possible
36:01
Speaker 1: because it doesn't make a lot of sense to Americans.
36:04
Speaker 1: I may welcome back. My first question just ask you.
36:08
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. It's usual better up today
36:11
Speaker 1: than it was thirty one days.
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Speaker 7: Ago, Absolutely no doubt.
36:17
Speaker 8: You know, there is you know, this term Sizifian ritual,
36:21
Speaker 8: something that you do all over again and again in vain.
36:27
Speaker 7: Now, because we're.
36:28
Speaker 8: In the news industry, we have the feeling that this
36:32
Speaker 8: is an ongoing futile effort. However, every night the Israeli
36:38
Speaker 8: Air Force and the US ell Force shave another layer
36:41
Speaker 8: of this monstrous fundamentalist machine that had been built by
36:47
Speaker 8: Iranians for the last forty seven years. Even if the
36:50
Speaker 8: war ends today, which I hope it won't, but even
36:53
Speaker 8: if it ends today, Iran will have to buy one
36:57
Speaker 8: hundred new ships, a brand new airport, a force, a
37:01
Speaker 8: brand new a ballistic MISSILEI industry, a brand new steal industry,
37:06
Speaker 8: and of course the diamond the nuclear project, which means
37:11
Speaker 8: that their ability to threaten the world.
37:14
Speaker 7: And especially Israel and.
37:15
Speaker 8: The United States has decreased dramatically. Now, I think, while
37:19
Speaker 8: I think it's not enough, I'm still grateful enough.
37:22
Speaker 7: For prison Trump and for these ready army for doing
37:27
Speaker 7: the deality work.
37:29
Speaker 1: All right, second question, which is much harder. I want
37:31
Speaker 1: to remind people as well, and Meat is an almost
37:34
Speaker 1: daily correspondent now for the Free Press because they take
37:36
Speaker 1: his It's new an Israel email which I get every
37:40
Speaker 1: morning because it's free, and a me Segal dot net.
37:43
Speaker 1: It shows up at the Free Press, which I subscribe to,
37:45
Speaker 1: so I get it twice. I met. This is much tougher.
37:48
Speaker 1: Is Israel better off today than it was on ten six,
37:54
Speaker 1: twenty three, even though the horror of that day was
37:56
Speaker 1: ahead of it.
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Speaker 7: I think it's way better.
38:01
Speaker 8: And you know, it's very hard to say this because
38:04
Speaker 8: it came at a cost, at a monstrous cost, twelve
38:08
Speaker 8: hundred casualties, but it actually quest in while on October
38:13
Speaker 8: seventh actually revealed the plan, the Iranian plan to choke
38:18
Speaker 8: Israel from seven different fronts, all funded and trained by Iran,
38:24
Speaker 8: without Iranian have to spill their blood fighting Israel. And
38:28
Speaker 8: now it's exactly the other way around. We have a
38:31
Speaker 8: border with Iran and they don't have a bottle with us.
38:33
Speaker 7: I just want to give you what we call proportions.
38:38
Speaker 8: Prior to Rising Line Operation in June twenty twenty five,
38:42
Speaker 8: the scenario was that eight hundred to four thousand Israelis
38:46
Speaker 8: how to.
38:46
Speaker 7: Be killed during the war.
38:48
Speaker 8: It ended with thirty casualties in Israel in twelve days.
38:54
Speaker 8: Now we are involved in a three front war with Iran,
38:58
Speaker 8: Kriz Bala and the Hooties, and yet after a month
39:02
Speaker 8: there are only twenty casualties. Now, while this is tragic
39:05
Speaker 8: and we mourn every victim of the conflict, it's something
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Speaker 8: like less than two.
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Speaker 7: Percent of the early.
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Speaker 8: Expectations, which signals you how damage was caused by Israel
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Speaker 8: and the US to the Iranian wall machine.
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Speaker 1: Now in America, I remind people there are thirteen families
39:27
Speaker 1: who at this Passover Easter will not have someone at
39:31
Speaker 1: their table or know even that they're coming back, because
39:33
Speaker 1: they're dead and they've been killed by the Iranians and
39:36
Speaker 1: or accidents related to the war where they're on. So
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Speaker 1: it's never not extraordinarily costly. But knowing what you know now,
39:45
Speaker 1: are we glad that Sinemore actually jumped the gun because
39:48
Speaker 1: if it had been coordinated, I don't know if Israel
39:51
Speaker 1: could have stood up to that, do you.
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Speaker 7: It would be way way harder.
39:57
Speaker 8: I think lead is not the termed because every really
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Speaker 8: knowing person, some of the victims or the half the
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Speaker 8: photo hostages from October seventh. However, having said that, absolutely
40:09
Speaker 8: the entire existence of Israel was hanging by a thread
40:13
Speaker 8: four years, or had been hanging by a thread four years,
40:16
Speaker 8: and we didn't know it. Now, while it was a
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Speaker 8: dramatic strategic failure, it gave Israel the opportunity to take
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Speaker 8: its enemies one enemy at a time, one tentical at
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Speaker 8: the time, and then the head of the octopus and
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Speaker 8: this is what we see today. This was the big
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Speaker 8: plan to actually eliminate Israel by the twenty thirty and
40:39
Speaker 8: Israel was saved.
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Speaker 7: From it thanks for this.
40:43
Speaker 8: Someone defined it in Israel a terrible miracle. I think
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Speaker 8: it's it's it's right to the point.
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Speaker 1: That is a very app description. I'll be right back
40:53
Speaker 1: with a Meid Chagall. Don't go anywhere, America. Chat over
40:57
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41:03
Speaker 1: He's on it TV every now. I think the Israelians
41:06
Speaker 1: appetite for news is even more satiable than mine. And
41:09
Speaker 1: so he's working around the clock. Don't go anywhere. I'll
41:11
Speaker 1: be right back with the meat broking back America. You're
41:23
Speaker 1: here with a Meek Cigale Channel twelve and of the
41:25
Speaker 1: Free Press. I mean, we are one missile away from
41:30
Speaker 1: a mass casually event to an American ship or a base,
41:34
Speaker 1: or a dreaded mass casualty event in Israel. Could that
41:39
Speaker 1: change everything? One missile getting.
41:42
Speaker 7: Through in Israel.
41:45
Speaker 8: No, because the assumption is that Israel would be heat
41:50
Speaker 8: so hard that it would have to stop either by
41:52
Speaker 8: the pressure of the public opinion or by a decision
41:56
Speaker 8: made by taken by a private san Aitanao.
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Speaker 7: I think either of the neither option is feasible.
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Speaker 8: The vast majority of the really public is fully aware
42:05
Speaker 8: of the danger from Iran, the threat posed by this
42:09
Speaker 8: fundamentalist regime, and there is a widespread, rare consensus support
42:14
Speaker 8: consensus around the idea that they must be eliminated as
42:18
Speaker 8: a military threat. At the very same time, I have
42:22
Speaker 8: to say that as time passes, Israeli have find it
42:28
Speaker 8: hard to actually function under this annoying sound of sirens
42:33
Speaker 8: going off entirely around the country.
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Speaker 7: I'll explain.
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Speaker 8: Okay, there was a fascinating statistics in our whole last week.
42:41
Speaker 8: Those with safe room in their apartment, you know, you
42:45
Speaker 8: don't have to show your pajama to the neighbors. They
42:49
Speaker 8: support the world seventy seven twenty two.
42:53
Speaker 7: Those who have public shelters, you.
42:56
Speaker 8: Know they have to to, you know, climb the stir is.
43:00
Speaker 8: At three am, they supported sixty to forty Those without
43:04
Speaker 8: shelters fifty seven percent to twenty two percent against the war, which.
43:09
Speaker 7: Means that people are exhausted.
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Speaker 8: But the vastal jority of his radies is still you know,
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Speaker 8: as Britz call it, Steve upper Lip, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, No, I mean this is a difficult thing in
43:20
Speaker 1: the middle of a war that could still have terrible
43:22
Speaker 1: events happen in it, and no doubt we'll have other
43:25
Speaker 1: lots of life. Prime Minister that yahoo. I can't imagine
43:29
Speaker 1: anyone other than him leading Israel through this. But I'm
43:32
Speaker 1: not in ISRAELI and I don't know that much. Could
43:34
Speaker 1: anyone else have done this? In your view? I mean,
43:38
Speaker 1: you're much younger than he is, but you know everyone
43:41
Speaker 1: in Israel could Could anyone else have done this this way?
43:45
Speaker 8: I think the the you know, the most important piece
43:49
Speaker 8: in this battle is talking President Trump into attacking Iran.
43:55
Speaker 8: This is Nataniell's main advantage over his rivals. This is
43:59
Speaker 8: his even his most bitter enemies Rifles admits that this.
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Speaker 7: Is his main achievement and main advantage when it comes
44:08
Speaker 7: to attack you run.
44:10
Speaker 8: I think you I could think about a few prime
44:13
Speaker 8: ministers would have done it, Benguion, maybe Arian Scheon, perhaps
44:20
Speaker 8: even Idol.
44:21
Speaker 7: But yes, I mean, this.
44:23
Speaker 8: Is Nataniao's main achievement in his entire career, and it
44:29
Speaker 8: has been a very long career.
44:31
Speaker 6: As you know.
44:32
Speaker 1: Now the budget in Israel passion for the benefit of
44:34
Speaker 1: the American audience. That means the government can go on
44:38
Speaker 1: to at least until October if it wants to. It's
44:42
Speaker 1: got a hold an election in October by law, but
44:44
Speaker 1: it can be pulled forward. The Brits in nineteen hundred,
44:47
Speaker 1: the Tory Party had just thought they had won the
44:50
Speaker 1: Second World War, so they held the Khaki election and
44:53
Speaker 1: they won overwhelmingly, so they pulled it forward. Do you
44:57
Speaker 1: think that the could coalition might pull the election forward
45:01
Speaker 1: if this war ends soon?
45:03
Speaker 7: And well, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 8: You know, the main difference between the Tories in forty
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Speaker 8: five and recording twenty twenty six.
45:13
Speaker 7: Is that the war hell goes nowhere.
45:16
Speaker 8: It's still you know, the very complicated security situation.
45:20
Speaker 7: It's not Europe post World War two.
45:23
Speaker 8: However, this is a dramatic achievement for Nathaniao because it's
45:30
Speaker 8: going to be the first government to serve a full
45:32
Speaker 8: term since nineteen sixty nine.
45:36
Speaker 7: Sixty seven years.
45:38
Speaker 8: Has passed since the last government seld a full term. Now,
45:43
Speaker 8: while you know it shows the strengths, it shows weakness
45:48
Speaker 8: as well, because the reason coalitions usually fall apart is
45:53
Speaker 8: because some parties believe that they can gain ground in
45:56
Speaker 8: the election. The coalition parties are relatively we following October seventh,
46:01
Speaker 8: so they have had no incentive coding up an early election.
46:05
Speaker 7: Having all that said, I think that is.
46:08
Speaker 8: More than fifty percent chance of getting re elected.
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Speaker 1: All right, last question I may in times of crisis,
46:15
Speaker 1: Americans turn on the television. They turn on radio shows
46:18
Speaker 1: like this and television shows like this. They can't, but
46:21
Speaker 1: then their attention dissipates quickly. Can the Israeli possibly watch
46:26
Speaker 1: more news than they have watched consistently for the last
46:29
Speaker 1: ten years? Our ratings up? And what I'm asking?
46:33
Speaker 8: Oh yes, I'll give you an example. The most popular
46:37
Speaker 8: news the most popular TV show in Israel on a
46:40
Speaker 8: daily basis since the sixties is the eight pm news broadcast.
46:47
Speaker 8: Usually it gets on Channel twelve, where podcast something like
46:50
Speaker 8: fourteen percent, fourteen percent footy points. Nowadays sometimes it yes,
46:58
Speaker 8: but this is doing in ordinary days today nowadays it's
47:03
Speaker 8: nineteen percent.
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Speaker 7: Twenty percent.
47:05
Speaker 8: My mid the Press show on Saturday night reached sixteen
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Speaker 8: point six percent.
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Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's yeah.
47:14
Speaker 1: It's context. When I don't television. When we got a
47:17
Speaker 1: share at one point we were popping child. Yeah, we
47:20
Speaker 1: were happy as it can be. So nineteen share is remarkable.
47:25
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, the share is higher than nineteen.
47:29
Speaker 8: Nineteen is out of Yes, the share is something like
47:33
Speaker 8: thirty seven percent.
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Speaker 7: Okay, the point when I when.
47:37
Speaker 8: I yeah, when I talk about points, I talk about you.
47:40
Speaker 7: Know, the percentage of a TV is open.
47:44
Speaker 8: Out of the out of one hundred TV televisions in Israel,
47:48
Speaker 8: how many televisions have opened on channel twelve? Okay, so
47:52
Speaker 8: it's thirty seven percent share and nineteen twenty percent of
47:57
Speaker 8: the entire out number of television.
47:59
Speaker 1: Can you go in public anywhere or do people yell
48:02
Speaker 1: at you all the time?
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48:38
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48:45
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Speaker 1: Selena Happy Easter in advance to you. I hope you
51:34
Speaker 1: have been planning for a big festive meal at your house.
51:39
Speaker 9: Oh, yes, yes, yesterday we were making Sicilian doughnuts, which
51:43
Speaker 9: we always have on Palm Sunday, which ever caught in them,
51:47
Speaker 9: and you deep fry them and then you bury them
51:50
Speaker 9: in sugar. Yeah, it's going to be cooking all week.
51:53
Speaker 9: My grandchildren were cooking with me today.
51:55
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry I missed the Sicilian donuts. Do you
51:58
Speaker 1: have to be a made man to get one of those?
52:03
Speaker 10: I can make you some. I can help you up.
52:05
Speaker 7: Now.
52:05
Speaker 1: I want you to know you were quoted today on
52:07
Speaker 1: the commentary podcast your famous line, Trump must be taken seriously,
52:13
Speaker 1: not literally, but people take him literally and not seriously
52:16
Speaker 1: and right, And someone who said that, and John Bodor said,
52:19
Speaker 1: Selina Zito said that, do you think that's the most
52:21
Speaker 1: famous line you've ever been.
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Speaker 10: Probably? Yeah, But you know, don't you think? I don't know.
52:29
Speaker 10: Maybe it's very obvious to me because I straddle to
52:34
Speaker 10: different worlds.
52:36
Speaker 9: Right, If I go online and look at the political class,
52:40
Speaker 9: it's the latter. If I'm out with you know, normal humans,
52:46
Speaker 9: which is where I much prefer to be, it is
52:49
Speaker 9: the former. You know, this is Donald Trump is a
52:52
Speaker 9: guy that's been in the American cultural experience since the
52:56
Speaker 9: early eighties, in the late seventies, and he's always been
53:02
Speaker 9: this way. And people that consumed him on television, on
53:08
Speaker 9: the New York Post and New York Times, they understood
53:12
Speaker 9: that this is the way he talked, and they didn't
53:16
Speaker 9: take it all that.
53:18
Speaker 10: Literally, know, Alina.
53:20
Speaker 1: I got old and dear friends whom Trump has completely broken,
53:28
Speaker 1: and I have friends who have divorced me as a
53:30
Speaker 1: friend because you know, he's a president. He's not a
53:34
Speaker 1: preacher or a pastor. And he's doing a very good
53:36
Speaker 1: job of taking down an a consistential threat to Israel
53:38
Speaker 1: in the world and Iran. And I generally approved seventy
53:42
Speaker 1: five percent of what he does, and so I'm pretty
53:44
Speaker 1: happy with him as a president. I do not approve
53:47
Speaker 1: a lot about Donald Trump, but he doesn't approve about
53:49
Speaker 1: it a lot about me. We're not buddies. But really,
53:52
Speaker 1: what is wrong with the no kingspeople? That's just constitutionally illiterate.
53:59
Speaker 10: It's so I just look at it and think it's
54:03
Speaker 10: so dumb.
54:04
Speaker 9: But here's here's a point and a really important point
54:08
Speaker 9: that I want to make. As I looked at two
54:12
Speaker 9: events that happened, one in Pittsburgh and one in my
54:15
Speaker 9: where I used to live in Mount Lebanon, UH and
54:18
Speaker 9: Connor Lamb, who's making no bones about the fact that
54:21
Speaker 9: he wants to primary John Fetterman, is speaking at the
54:24
Speaker 9: one in Mount Lebanon, and I'm looking, I'm watching it
54:28
Speaker 9: live online, and I'm like, oh my god, I know
54:32
Speaker 9: almost everyone there nothing. These people voted the same. There's
54:38
Speaker 9: no one new in this crowd. They're the same crowd,
54:41
Speaker 9: regurgitated every time. Are the crowd sizeable, yes, but they're
54:46
Speaker 9: not new. Why is it important? It's important because when
54:51
Speaker 9: you want to build a coalition, you need to bring
54:54
Speaker 9: new people into your coalition. There's no one new there.
54:58
Speaker 9: These are the same voters they had in twenty twenty
55:01
Speaker 9: four and they lost with these voters. And so I
55:06
Speaker 9: think that aspect really needs to be driven home, because
55:10
Speaker 9: you have to build, you have to grow. They're white
55:15
Speaker 9: and my age right, and there's nothing. There's no one
55:21
Speaker 9: new and young. There no, there's no diversity, not just
55:27
Speaker 9: racial diversity, there's no cultural diversity. You don't see any
55:31
Speaker 9: working class people there. You see culture.
55:34
Speaker 1: Basically old, upper middle class to upper class people. Selena,
55:39
Speaker 1: I agree. But I got to go to the more
55:40
Speaker 1: important thing because you had insured the insur this week.
55:44
Speaker 1: You gave me the perfect insurer story.
55:46
Speaker 11: The Pittsburgh public schools are closing because of the NFL draft,
55:52
Speaker 11: and I really I had to look twice I couldn't
55:54
Speaker 11: believe it because the kids I am an exactly experienced
55:57
Speaker 11: learning abundance in the last five years.
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Speaker 1: Right, learning loss is a real deal. And they closed
56:03
Speaker 1: for two days because of the draft.
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Speaker 10: Oh oh, not two days, four four days?
56:11
Speaker 1: You know it's not worth the draft. It's even if
56:14
Speaker 1: that was all worth the draft. What's wrong with your
56:18
Speaker 1: school district?
56:22
Speaker 10: I attended that school district. I am shocked at this
56:25
Speaker 10: school district, but I've been shocked at it for the
56:27
Speaker 10: past thirty years. I had an excellent education there.
56:31
Speaker 9: David mccaullaugh always said that was a premier education that
56:36
Speaker 9: we received in those schools.
56:37
Speaker 10: There was nothing better.
56:39
Speaker 6: And first of football.
56:43
Speaker 1: Out of this. We're leaving football out of this. Right.
56:46
Speaker 1: But but yes, Pittsburgh got good schools. But yeah, yeah,
56:51
Speaker 1: are they getting criticized by the parents? Are the parents mad?
56:55
Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 9: The parents are infuriated there. And the draft is at night.
57:01
Speaker 9: It doesn't impact the schools. And there's only one school
57:05
Speaker 9: that is anywhere near the proximity of where the draft
57:08
Speaker 9: will be held, and that's not even that close.
57:11
Speaker 1: Has any national network covered this yet, because this is
57:14
Speaker 1: a national scandal. These kids have had learning loss, that's
57:18
Speaker 1: appreciable that everyone is documented and they're taking four days off.
57:22
Speaker 1: I thought it was two four days off for the
57:24
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Has any national network covered it yet?
57:28
Speaker 10: No, not at all.
57:30
Speaker 1: Well, then the Salem News channel is first. I really,
57:33
Speaker 1: have they responded to the criticism or they just hunted
57:36
Speaker 1: down and they're taking their four day vacation.
57:39
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, this is my favorite criticism. Hey, we gave
57:42
Speaker 9: the parents for a month advanced notice. They should be
57:45
Speaker 9: fine with this. This is my favorite line that the
57:49
Speaker 9: public affairs person said.
57:51
Speaker 1: You know, I just spent the weekend with my four grandkids.
57:55
Speaker 1: I just spent the weekend with my four grandkids. My
57:57
Speaker 1: son in law is deployed. I cannot believe that. There
58:00
Speaker 1: got to be a lot of people in Pittsburgh who
58:02
Speaker 1: are deployed. So they just said to all those single parents,
58:05
Speaker 1: score you for four days because we want to watch
58:07
Speaker 1: and enjoy the draft. That's really what it is, right,
58:10
Speaker 1: The teachers and the administrator want to go enjoy the draft.
58:14
Speaker 9: I mean the teachers are mad too. By the way,
58:17
Speaker 9: it's the union and it's the superintendent. It's not the teachers.
58:22
Speaker 9: I talked to plenty of teachers. They're really upset. Most
58:25
Speaker 9: teachers really care about this kid.
58:27
Speaker 1: Of course they do, but then they would quit the union,
58:31
Speaker 1: or they would or they would start firing the superintendent.
58:35
Speaker 1: Where's the school board? Has anyone returned your call from
58:38
Speaker 1: the school board? Because this is nuts? Nope, Nope, Selena.
58:44
Speaker 1: Happy Easter to you and yours. Follow Selena on ex
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Speaker 1: Zito Selena