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TheDocNCarolynPodcast Episode 129 · TheDocNCarolynPodcast

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  SPEAKER_05: The Doc and Carolyn Podcast!
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  SPEAKER_06: Episode 129 of the Doc and Carolyn Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_06: Welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_06: We are starting out this week with um some some really stressful, disconcerting news.
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  SPEAKER_06: I ran into a gigantic viper.
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  SPEAKER_06: Gigant what are you laughing for?
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  SPEAKER_06: What's funny?
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it was a viper.
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  SPEAKER_06: I'm I'm learning, I'm growing into the yard, okay?
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  SPEAKER_06: I didn't have one growing up.
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  SPEAKER_06: I lived in condos and townhouses and patio homes uh most of my life.
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  SPEAKER_06: And this is my first yard.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I talked about that last week, and I step out.
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  SPEAKER_06: Listen to this.
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  SPEAKER_06: I step out of the side door of our house uh I guess four or five days ago.
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  SPEAKER_06: I step out of the door and I'm momentarily stunned by something.
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  SPEAKER_05: What have we here?
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  SPEAKER_05: It's a man cub.
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  SPEAKER_05: A delicious man cub.
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  SPEAKER_06: So you see, I'm a man cub.
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  SPEAKER_06: And you saw the snake, and what was your response?
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  SPEAKER_06: I sent the picture or the video.
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  SPEAKER_06: Well, let me just tell you how it happened.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I step out uh out of the out of the side door from the garage, and I I just let the, you know, it opens out.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I let the door just swing all the way open to the wall.
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  SPEAKER_06: And I stand there for a minute.
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  SPEAKER_06: You know, I like to look outside because there are, you know, rabbits and squirrels and sometimes deer.
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  SPEAKER_03: You just like to go out there and get sun and feet on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_06: Do grounding, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: So so I let the door swing all the way to the wall and I walk out in the front yard.
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  SPEAKER_06: So on so when I'm headed back, I have a little bit of a different angle in this in this 15-foot reticulated constrictor viper.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know that any of that about the pictures on the website.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so so can you tell tell folks how to look at this picture?
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  SPEAKER_03: You can go to the Doc and Carolyn podcast Facebook page.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and there are two of them because I can't close the old one for whatever reason.
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  SPEAKER_03: I lost the password.
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  SPEAKER_06: So the one, if you want to see the picture of the snake, it's the one with the snake.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a video.
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  SPEAKER_03: Did you do a picture or did you post the video?
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's a video, it's a post with a with a video.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's a video, and at the beginning of it, I think you just see our house.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then because it was climbing up the side of our house.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so let me tell you this.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I think it was really sunny a few days ago, and so I think those stones, you know, retain heat, maybe.
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  SPEAKER_06: So this so this snake obviously just climbed up the side of the wall, and he's and so he's there.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I see from the angle I'm going back into the house.
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  SPEAKER_06: Oh man, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: So the snake is is just is just chilling there.
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  SPEAKER_06: He never moved.
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  SPEAKER_06: In fact, I was outside without my phone.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I had to sneak past this thing, go go back into the house, find my phone, and I come out and get a and really get some great video of this thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you got a good video of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I mean, I've lived in the country my entire life.
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  SPEAKER_03: My mom lives in the middle of nowhere, and so I've seen lots of snakes, but they've all been on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_06: Never up a wall.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've never seen them climbing up the wall.
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  SPEAKER_03: However, I don't know if I've ever told you the story, but there was a snake in the toilet.
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  SPEAKER_06: What?
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  SPEAKER_03: At my mom's house.
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  SPEAKER_06: What?
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: How does that happen?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because the old septic systems, I guess it could get through that way.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: So your mom got bit on the butt?
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  SPEAKER_03: No, but my sister almost did.
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  SPEAKER_06: Oh no.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: That's that's horrible.
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  SPEAKER_06: I just took the video and then we found out later.
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  SPEAKER_06: I don't think that's venomous.
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  SPEAKER_06: It's uh that the particular video that you'll see on the website is uh is a rat snake, I think.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what I was told.
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  SPEAKER_06: And your parents, before we even uh started building the house, they would just walk in the land and write what would be now our backyard.
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  SPEAKER_06: They found a six-foot rattle.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a rattlesnake.
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  SPEAKER_06: Rattlesnake, and our neighbors have posted pictures of copperheads and um I think maybe a couple rattlesnakes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I had to send it to our son because we have a son who's a reptile expert.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like he was the kid who would bring the snake in the house and give his mom heart palpitations.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, so I sent it to him.
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  SPEAKER_03: He said it was a rat snake, and you know, he he typically knows.
• 4:25
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• 5:23
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm Doc Kilgore.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_06: Doc?
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_06: People think I say Duck.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_06: It's Doc Kilgore.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of like Duck.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_06: That's a stage name.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_06: Doc Kilgore.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_06: That's a stage name I got when I moved to Houston from Cincinnati.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_06: And uh Houston has a huge medical community.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_06: So the so the manager of the station I was working at suggested I take on the moniker Doc and the I, you know, wore scrubs.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_06: I have pictures of me with a stethoscope on, and I used to go to events.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: Is that legal?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: Did you try to write anyone a prescription?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_06: No, but people would come up thinking I was really a doctor and be like, hey doc, you know, can you check my Can you take a look at this?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_06: Can you see if this is expired?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_06: I'd be like, nah, man, I'll play you a play a song.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_06: If you want that.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_06: But I would go out and do appearances with people dressed like nurses, with women dressed like nurses, and you know, so that was my whole shtick, and that's where I got the name.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_06: So uh I was thinking about, and and by the way, Carolyn Kilgore is my co-host here.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Carolyn is a nurse practitioner, my wife, and uh founder and um provider at TrueHealing Healthcare dot net.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_06: That's your private practice, and you do functional integrative medicine.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_06: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I'm thinking about the food industry.
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  SPEAKER_06: And you know, the the food thing is is is a hard one because I remember when I was I was working out uh when when I lived here before, and uh I was working out just five days a week, going lifting and you know, splitting body parts, doing two a days in some cases.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I was really, really working hard, but I wasn't losing any weight.
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  SPEAKER_06: I wasn't losing any inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_06: Now I know it's inflammation, and I didn't um I couldn't get defined any definition.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_06: I guess that would come with losing weight, but uh one of the guys, I think maybe I was talking about it or uh kind of joined in a conversation.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_06: And this this gentleman that was there said, Well, you know, what do you typically eat?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_06: And I and I told him, I said, What do you why are you laughing?
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  SPEAKER_06: I haven't even told the story yet.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I know how you used to eat.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_06: Oh man, yeah.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_06: So he says, so he says, So what do you usually eat?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_06: And I said, Oh yeah, I eat um, I eat clean, man.
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  SPEAKER_06: I eat good, you know.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_06: So I said, Yeah, and he said, Well, what do you have in the morning?
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  SPEAKER_06: I said, Man, I'll get like I'll run through Chick-fil-A and get one of them biscuits, one of them soft chicken biscuits, and or you know, if I don't get I'll go to Burger King.
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  SPEAKER_06: You ever had them, them croissant sandwiches with them sausages?
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  SPEAKER_06: So I'm telling him, he's just patiently listening, you know.
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  SPEAKER_06: And then I said, Oh man, for for uh lunch, I might have a you know a turkey sandwich or something like that, or I might roll through and get and I was mentioning, and by the time I finished my meal plan for a given day, he says, dude, he says, You're eating like a loaf and a half of bread every day.
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  SPEAKER_06: What you know, what do you expect?
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  SPEAKER_06: And and I think and and I think we don't think.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, because people always tell me, I eat really good.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_03: I have a really healthy diet while they're holding their Starbucks with uh whatever nine pounds of sugar in it.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_06: So how do we so my question has been how do we train ourselves to recognize real food?
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  SPEAKER_06: Because this is what we're subject to, and we're all gullible to it because it's done on such a mass scale, and billions of dollars are poured into uh the the food products that we're presented with.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: Because you have to be purposeful about it because of our food system.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I know we talk about this all the time, but it's that important.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_06: So check this out.
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  SPEAKER_06: Check what I found out about bread.
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  SPEAKER_06: Listen to this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Shows a woman running her bread underwater.
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  SPEAKER_00: The result was alarming and disgusting.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're eating mold inhibitor and calling it bread.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bread's dough is barely flour, sweetened with corn syrup, bleached with calcium peroxide, and bound with 11 synthetic conditioners to hold them mucked together, buried inside those, is an ethylene oxide carrier, a confirmed carcinogen on par with asbestos, and it gets worse.
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  SPEAKER_00: I scanned both Cerrilee and Nature's Own Bread with the Safe Choice app, and they both had glyphosate, a bio-engineered ingredient.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_06: So you see, the it's you you can't go down the aisles anymore.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_06: We just have to change our paradigm.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_06: We have to change our way of thinking about this.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_06: We have to, and what did you call it, purposeful.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_06: We have to be purposeful about it.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_06: So are you familiar with the lawsuit uh that Brad Reese, Brad Reese is the grandfather of the creator of Reese's Cups?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_03: I only know about it because I've heard you talk about it a little bit, but I don't know all the details.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_06: So Brad Reese, grandson of the famous creator of Reese Cups and the Hershey Company, he Brad Reese sued Hershey because they changed the formula on the Reese Cups.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_06: And I'll just read it.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_06: I pulled it up on uh on AI, on Gemini AI, and asked for a quick synopsis of this lawsuit.
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  SPEAKER_06: So it says the conflict involving Brad Reese and the Hershey Company is less of a traditional legal filing and more of a high-profile public dispute regarding brand integrity and ingredient quality.
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  SPEAKER_06: Brad Reese is the grandson of H.
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  SPEAKER_06: B.
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  SPEAKER_06: Reese, the creator of the original Reese's peanut butter cup.
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  SPEAKER_06: The dispute gained significant national attention in early 2026.
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  SPEAKER_06: Here's the breakdown.
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  SPEAKER_06: The allegations are that Brad Reese launched a public campaign primarily through open letters on LinkedIn, accusing Hershey of ingredient drift.
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  SPEAKER_06: His core complaints included replacing milk chocolate.
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  SPEAKER_06: He alleged that Hershey quietly swapped real milk chocolate for cheaper compound coatings.
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  SPEAKER_06: Ew.
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  SPEAKER_06: Altering the peanut butter.
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  SPEAKER_06: He claimed the signature peanut butter was being replaced with a peanut butter style cream.
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  SPEAKER_06: So this is a collection of chemicals.
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  SPEAKER_03: So food-like substances instead of food.
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  SPEAKER_06: And it says loss of quality.
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  SPEAKER_06: Reese specifically cited a bag of mini hearts, Valentine's Day 2026, as not edible, using it as a primary example of how the brand's quality had eroded compared to his grandfather's original standards.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_06: So what we're presented with when we go into the grocery store is something that was decided on in a boardroom.
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  SPEAKER_06: It was decided on in a boardroom, not a farm.
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  SPEAKER_03: By people trying to save money.
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  SPEAKER_06: So they're sitting around in this, in this, uh on this board of directors, and they're they're charged with delivering value to their investors.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_06: So peanut butter, you know, I could see this meeting.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_06: You know, peanut butter is expensive.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_06: It costs this is the percentage of cost.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's not cheap, especially if you get real peanut butter, which is just peanuts and salt.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_06: And so the new answer becomes, or the new question, is how can we earn how how can we make more profit?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_06: How can we deliver more value for our investors?
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_06: And the answer is instead of real peanut butter, there is a collection of chemicals that we can get that will have the same flavor profile as chemicals at cents at pennies on the dollar.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_06: And so that goes into the into disgusting into the product.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and that's what we buy innocently thinking we're getting the the Reese cup that we grew up with, and it's not that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it tastes terrible because I used to tear up some Hershey's.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_06: And they're different now.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, now that I eat, you know, I'm really conscious about the ingredients in anything that I eat.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um I'm eating real chocolate and dark chocolate.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: And the last time I had a dark chocolate Hershey, it was disgusting.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because it just doesn't taste the same at all.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_06: And it's not good for human beings.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, if you ever want to if we ever want to operate optimally, optimally, we need to not eat plastics and petroleum-based food.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: If you know a car guy, they're not gonna put some cheap something that doesn't belong in a car in the gas tank.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, in our in our bodies or machines.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can't put something that doesn't belong in a body, in your body, and expect it to run efficiently.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Carolyn Kilgore, founder and provider at TrueHealing Healthcare.net.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_05: Why functional medicine?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're more than just a list of symptoms.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: Traditional care often masks the problem, but functional medicine digs deeper to find the root cause.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_05: What makes True Healing Healthcare different?
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  SPEAKER_03: We move away from the one size fits all approach.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: We look at your environment and your lifestyle to create a roadmap tailored specifically for you.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_06: What if someone really wants to make a change?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: If you're tired of feeling fine and want to start feeling great, it's about proactive wellness, not just reactive treatment.
• 14:31
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• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: As long as you're 18 and have an internet connection, you can have a visit in the privacy of your own home or anywhere else in Texas.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: We're able to order labs or prescribe or whatever else you need.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: True Healing Healthcare.net for the great state of Texas.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to this Kingdom Minute with your host, Kimberly Blakes on the Doc and Carolyn Podcast.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: I need this to be said.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: I need you to hear it from a place of being healed, okay?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be responsible for what I say, and I need you to be responsible for the lens in which you hear it and process it.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: All men are not bad.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's a controversial statement.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: I know that the media and Hollywood and all these people have been working for decades to get rid of the man and to make him look like he's just the worst thing in the world, but that is simply not true.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: For years, we have watched movies, television series, all kinds of things that make men look like they are just completely dumb.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's always the husband that is just, he just doesn't know what's going on.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: He comes home, he brings her the check, he falls out in front of the TV, he's just a complete oath that cares about nothing but sex and sports.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: That is not true.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of good men on here.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of good men of God.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: But if you have the belief that all men are bad, guess what you're gonna draw to yourself?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Bad men.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for tuning in to this Kingdom Minute with your host, Kimberly Blakes on the Doc and Carolyn podcast.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can find me on Facebook at Kimberly Blakes, and I also have a podcast called The Faith Frame Perspective.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'll see you guys there.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_06: It is police week.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_06: All this week, police memorial week.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, the president did a rousing, a wonderful, uplifting speech thanking law enforcement for the sacrifice of the officers all over the country, really.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm thankful that there's an administration right now who is supportive of our law enforcement.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_06: That that nonsense defund the police and all of that.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_06: Man, that is um I don't know if everybody understands that when when fire goes into some scenes, especially anything, any scene of violence, police, the police always go first.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
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  SPEAKER_06: And this came out of, I may have mentioned this before, but uh bear with me if you've heard it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_06: But I think that came out of LA during some gang violence.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_06: There was a gang member that was shot and on the ground, fire went in, uh, ambulance and and paramedics and EMTs went in and picked the victim up and was rolling him back to the squad to to take him to the hospital, and the gang that he was, you know, beefing with or whatever came back and finished the job.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_06: That became the law or the rule within public safety that police always go in first on those scenes.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_06: So, you know, the whole defund the police thing, that's just to uh push a narrative, a Marxist narrative.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_06: And you do the the whole public safety thing doesn't work without the police.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_06: In fact, uh this week alone, I believe there were two civilian uh first responders, you know, this whole thing to move to a civilian response, especially for uh mentally challenged people.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: I was just wondering how that was going.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_06: Oh man, they I just I just read an article literally where uh unarmed civilian social workers showed up on a scene.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_06: Person across the street from the venue opened fire with an A AR-15 and wounded one of the uh one of the civilian respondents.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_06: And I mean it was horrible.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_06: And policing is so unpredictable, and we're living in a in a time that that's just a stupid idea.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_06: It's stupid, and it sounds good on paper like most things do.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_06: It's unrealistic, it's dangerous, and uh ineffective.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_06: It's police week, and I s I spent nine years on the honor guard uh for the police department, and and that was uh probably one of the things I'm most proud of of my time there.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I don't talk a whole lot about my arrests and and the work that I did on the police department because I don't know, I just feel a little bit like I don't want to sensational uh sensationalize it.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_06: It's dramatized enough in on television and in movies.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's not uh realistic most of the time.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_06: No, it isn't.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the whole door kick thing, that's your favorite.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we when we watch, we because we binge watch, what was the last one we were what are we watching?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_06: Uh oh gosh when it was out, and then there's uh what's the one the LA's was it Southland?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, we watch Southland.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: We watch the Reagans, what's that?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_06: Oh NYPD blue uh NYPD blue, yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Blue Bloods.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: Blue Bloods.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_06: So um when we watch uh door kicks on television, it's one kick and that door flies open.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_06: Just like when you go to put handcuffs on somebody, you touch them and they turn around, their hands fly behind their back.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like, wow.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: I want to be a policeman.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_06: But um, but at the tender age of 36, I decided to go uh into the police academy, long story associated with the decision to get there.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_06: But I went in at uh so I was, you know, I'd fully uh had a civilian experience and career and broadcasting before I joined the police department, but I wanted to to share accommodation that I got um with the with the Cincinnati Police Department.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_06: I was uh working uh at a city in a citywide drug unit, and I ended up somehow getting into the position where I would be asked by other units uh on the police department to buy drugs for them.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_06: I was I was I'd go out and I'd buy dope.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that was this- I don't know if that's a skill you should brag about.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_06: No, I mean you you know what?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_06: It was in the in the height of the um of the crack epidemic.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, everybody, everybody was slaying dope.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_06: They were making a fortune.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_06: It was open, wide open drug areas.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_06: And you know what's funny?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_06: I would I would go buy dope.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_06: And here is my thing.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_06: I put a suit and tie on.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'd I'd drive, you know, kind of a an average car.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_06: We had cars in our in our pool that we could, you know, whether they were confiscated or uh forfeitures, but I'd but I drive an old car and I put, yeah, uh like a sport jacket on, a shirt and a tie.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_06: And I pull up and I say, listen, um, yeah, man, I'm just looking for a 20 or something like that.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_06: Pull up, you know, guy get in the car.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_06: What's up, man?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_06: Uh let me get a 20, you know.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_06: So he's like, Well, who is you?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I'm like, I said, listen, man.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_06: I said, You ain't the police, are you?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_06: That's the first thing you have to say, hey man, you you ain't the police, are you?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_06: And be like, uh, no, man, I ain't the police, but but who you but who is you?
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_06: I'd be like, I work for the TV station.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_06: I work for channel five.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_06: I'm a reporter.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_06: I said, and man, I tell you, I will lose my job.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_06: Just on, I'm just trying to get a 20.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just trying to get straight.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_06: Actually, it's not even for me, it's for my girl.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_06: Once you do that, because if you say it's for you, then they can ask you to hit the pipe.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_06: So you say it's for your girl.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I'd be like, yeah, man, it's for my girl, man.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_06: I tell you what, if I if I give it to her.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, don't say.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_06: What?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: Don't say on this show.
• 20:56
  unknown: No, what?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not talking about you.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: I know, but I can't imagine what she's gonna do if you give it to her.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_06: Honey, this is a cover story.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna this isn't a reality.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: No, but this is a family show.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_06: Honey, I wasn't gonna say, I was just gonna say that, yeah, if I if I if I give her this, she'll do whatever.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_06: So and and so here's what's funny.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_06: He starts this this guy on this one particular arrest, he starts educating me.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_06: He starts saying, No, man, well look, look, don't give it a whole thing.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_06: Don't give it a whole thing, you know, because she is smoking, and and you you you left out.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_06: So break it in half.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_06: Give her the first half, then get you get what you want.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my goodness.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_06: I'm telling you he's educating me, breaking it down like a collegiate to a collegiate level.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_06: So so that was the work.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_06: So I got this this commendation that that's hanging on uh in our office, and and I'm just gonna read it.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_06: On October 3rd, 2002, police officer Kenneth Kilgore was investigating a complaint of drug sales on Brackenwoods Lane.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_06: Police officer Kilgore was under surveillance by fellow officers when he was.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: Approached by an individual to sell him crack cocaine.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_06: After a brief conversation, the subject produced a firearm and robbed police officer Kilgore.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm going uh in the way this developed, there was a several apartment buildings and apartment complexes around Cincinnati where they offered police officers free rent.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_06: You could sometimes you could live there for free, sometimes for a discount.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think they do that in uh Baytown.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's fairly common around the country, yeah.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_06: So they'll, you know, just for the on-site security.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: Or at least uh really discounted rate.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, sure.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_06: So that was what this was.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_06: And we had an officer that was living in this, you know, kind of um um kind of dangerous neighborhood, and they were happy to have him there.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_06: But he calls us and says, I'm watching this open air drug market, and we need somebody to, you know, to stop this activity.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_06: So they call me, but I was one of the guys on the police department that they knew would buy dope anywhere.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_06: I get over there, he gives us a description, he said, Yeah, this guy, he takes people from the front of the apartment building down behind the building, stops around there, and he does the exchange and he comes back out.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's been going on for weeks.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_06: Cool.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_06: So I get there, I get I'm driving in this raggedy van.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_06: I used to put these old costume, nasty teeth miss, and they look like I had gingivitis, and one of the teeth was hanging sideways out of my mouth.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: But what was nice about it, people Are those called Bubba teeth or something?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, I don't know what they're called, but what was nice about it is whenever you would look in my mouth, these guys wanted to get the deal done quick.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_06: They were like, they just wanted I had a guy that we uh we did a by bust and we had him in handcuffs and I walked up.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_06: He was like, Man, get that, he get him away from me, man.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: He's gonna touch me with his tooth.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_06: Seriously.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_06: The guy had an MO.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_06: He had been surveilled by the by the officer that lived there.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_06: So I show up and I remember I just finished a U.S.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_06: Department of Justice training series.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_06: It was a two or three-day seminar called Mental Preparation for Armed Confrontation.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_06: And it was wonderful.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_06: Um, well, listen, it was fantastic because it showed video.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_06: You go in, and all these federal agents and local state guys were all in a room and they're showing film uh undercover video of officers getting robbed, shot, uh, doing uh buys, undercover buys.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_06: And um, and then they had the officers there on stage fielding questions from from the participants.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_06: So the one common thing everybody says, I couldn't believe it.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_06: And that's what the purpose of this mental preparation for armed confrontation, everybody to a person talked about those first few seconds where they were, I can't, I can't believe this is happening.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_06: And the purpose of the seminar or the purpose of the training was to eliminate the lag in that moment.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_06: And I had just come out of that training when this happened.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_06: So I drove up in this raggedy old van.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_06: The guy is there, I get out of the van and he motions me back in the back, just like we were, we were advised.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_06: This is how he does it.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_06: And he did it just like that.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_06: Come on back, come on back.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_06: So he kept walking me back further between these buildings.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_06: We once we got out of sight, you know, like still in the light, we could have done the exchange right there, but he kept motioning me to go further back.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_06: I'm I'm and here's a problem with undercover work.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_06: I was so focused on completing the deal that I stopped being tactical.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_06: I was I just wanted to get this deal done because I wanted to make the bust, I wanted to make the arrest and, you know, do what I'm paid to do.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_06: So he keeps motioning me to come back further and further between these buildings into where the light eventually ran out.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm standing here in this very murky, dusky light, and he pulls up a gun.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_06: He just is like he went into his waistband, I guess, in the in the in the darkness and came up, and I saw a gun come up, you know, pointing towards my face.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_06: So um I was holding a$30, like a 20 and a 10, and I ducked, I dropped that that money on the ground and dipped around the corner and got my own gun out.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: So um glad we weren't married then.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm around this corner and I'll uh pick up the commendation from the chief of police.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_06: My personal thanks and commendation to police officer Kenneth Kilgore.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_06: On October 3rd, 2002, police officer Kenneth Kilgore was investigating a complaint of drug sales on Brackenwoods Lane.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_06: Police Officer Kilgore was under surveillance by fellow officers when he was approached by an individual to sell him crack cocaine.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_06: After a brief conversation, the suspect produced a firearm and robbed police officer Kilgore.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_06: Police Officer Kilgore maintained his composure and quickly assessed the situation, realizing his assailant was now pointing a handgun at his head.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_06: Police officer Kilgore intuitively determined attempts to thwart this robbery were not feasible.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_06: Police officer Kilgore decided the best course of action was to immediately leave the area as instructed by the assailant.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_06: Street corner unit officers, District 3 officers, and canine officers maintained surveillance until they were able to safely approach and arrest the assailant.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_06: Consent to search the assailant's residence was obtained.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_06: Recovered during the search were the weapon used in the offense and the money taken from the officer.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_06: Officer Kilgore deserves this official commendation for his dedication to duty, composure under extreme danger, and decision-making skills.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_06: His bravery and ability to maintain tactical control resulted in the removal of a dangerous felon from our community.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_06: Officer Kilgore's actions are emblematic of his dedication to professional policing and serve as a model for all to follow.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_06: Sincerely, Thomas H.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_06: Stryker, police chief.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_06: So I dip back around the corner as he's pointing this gun at me.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_06: He picks the money up and runs.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_06: I was wired.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm I'm walking, wearing and talking to this baseball cap, saying, Listen, I just got robbed at gunpoint.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_06: I said, uh, he took off southbound through the apartment complex, gave a description, and I and I asked the boss, I knew he was listening, I said, ask that we leave this surveillance up.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_06: Because if he thinks he just robbed a crackhead and I'm doing I'm gonna drive off, he's gonna pop right back out and go to work.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_06: Oh I said, so so let me drive off and let's leave the cover up.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_06: So check this out.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_06: So the sergeant in charge of this unit and in charge of this operation, after I got robbed, jumped on the police radio and said, I need three canines.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_06: He asked for a chopper, he asked for every available unit, and he said, We are going door to door in every apartment in this complex, and we are going to find this guy and we are going to lock him up.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_06: So we so now all this commotion, all these police cars, lights, sirens, canines show up.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm standing there talking about how we're gonna start organizing this and how we're gonna take teams and go door to door.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_06: And the guy comes walking up the sidewalk.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, what's going on?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_06: Wearing exactly the same clothes because what happened, and we found out later when we interviewed him, he went home and took a nap.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, he went home and laid down.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_06: And when he woke up, he sees all this commotion up the street, doesn't even connect it to what he did.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, he probably had been robbing so many crack crack users that it was just crazy.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_06: I said, There he is.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_06: I said, That's him right there.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_06: So we put him in handcuffs, got him, made the arrest, went back to his house, got the buy money, which was marked.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_06: We had the serial numbers.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_06: Oh wow, got the pistol, and he ended up getting, he was a juvenile, got bound over as an adult.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_06: I think he got, I don't know, 15 years.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Nice job.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_06: Look at you.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_06: This story is meant to be illustrative of the kind of work that average police officers do all over the country and all over the world for the people that they serve.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_06: And there are some of these ordinary, average guys that do extraordinary work that don't get to make it home.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_06: I say guys, I mean guys and girls.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_06: And this week is meant to honor them and to remember them and never forget them.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_06: Doc and Carolyn Podcast is brought to you in part by Hammock Solutions, Lufkin, Texas, US.
• 29:38
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