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Huddle Up | Jaguars Head Coach Prospects Breakdown · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought you by the Fields Total Group,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst and former
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  Speaker 1: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter JP Shaddrick bring you
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  Speaker 1: the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome into Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. It has been
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  Speaker 3: a while on a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: It's a new year. We're onto the off season.
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  Speaker 3: There's plenty to discuss in the coming program today. Peterson out,
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  Speaker 3: Bulky retained. The coaching search is underway. We'll take a
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  Speaker 3: look at some of the candidates the Jaguars are asking
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  Speaker 3: for interviews from. And of course it's on to the
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  Speaker 3: off season. Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks brought to you
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  Speaker 3: Go to Fieldsauto dot com. JP Shadwick, John Oser. We're
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  Speaker 3: at the Honday studios of the Miller Electric Center and
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  Speaker 3: j Jxonville. Bucky Brooks is in LA and first off,
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  Speaker 3: it's been a while Bucky on a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Good afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: Second, I mean, how are things in LA today with
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  Speaker 3: all the fires?
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  Speaker 2: And how are you and your family dealing with it?
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's cool on my end, but it's crazy, Like the
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  Speaker 4: fires are not too far from where I reside, and
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  Speaker 4: it's just nuts to see a city under siege when
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  Speaker 4: it comes with so many fires.
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  Speaker 5: There are four fires that are burning simultaneously. The fire
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  Speaker 5: department and.
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  Speaker 4: The first responder is doing a really good job trying
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  Speaker 4: to contain it. But it's with the winds and everything
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  Speaker 4: that's going on, it's just kind of been bananas.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't even imagine. I covered way back in
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  Speaker 6: the day some wildfires in central Florida Daytona area. This
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  Speaker 6: in ninety eight, ninety nine, and I didn't get the
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  Speaker 6: brunt of it the way Bucky is. But you get
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  Speaker 6: a feeling for you know, it's if you haven't lived
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  Speaker 6: through it or seen it, not to be light about it.
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  Speaker 6: Fires fire, and it's it can be devastating with the
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  Speaker 6: winds they're getting out there, Bucky, stay safe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that. Buck. And you've got playoff
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  Speaker 2: games this weekend. What are you doing.
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  Speaker 5: It's a fun time because we got to college football playoff.
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  Speaker 4: We got stuff to look at, get a chance to
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  Speaker 4: see Texas do their deal against Ohio State and then
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  Speaker 4: hopefully we get a chance to defend Stay in Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm excited about all of it.
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  Speaker 6: When's Alabama playing, Wow, Okay, they deserve to be in it,
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  Speaker 6: that's right.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know.
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  Speaker 3: They don't stop it. They never deserve to be and
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  Speaker 3: that they they played anyway, don't We're not going down
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  Speaker 3: this rabbit hole today. Okay, enough, Uh, let's go down
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  Speaker 3: another rabbit hole. And it's the changes for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 3: Head coach Doug Peterson is out, Trent Bulkey stays. JAG's
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  Speaker 3: owners shot Cohn earlier this week on a Zoom Media call,
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  Speaker 3: what was it about.
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  Speaker 2: The coaching that needed the change?
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  Speaker 7: Last year? We started off eight and three and then
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  Speaker 7: went one in five, okay, and didn't make the playoff.
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  Speaker 7: Was the winning season, but didn't make the playoffs. And
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  Speaker 7: after that, you know, I started really right in Nashville.
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  Speaker 7: Sat down with Doug, Okay, what are we going to do?
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  Speaker 7: And he identified, you know, on the defensive side we
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  Speaker 7: needed to change the staff and so on. And as
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  Speaker 7: the season you know, progressed, obviously we weren't doing well.
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  Speaker 7: We were close like yesterday, but not close enough. To
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  Speaker 7: win the game. And then as I spoke to you know,
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  Speaker 7: Doug even last week for a good length of time,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I just came to the conclusion what we
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  Speaker 7: were doing was not working and a change in direction
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  Speaker 7: was needed.
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  Speaker 2: That's Ownershot Cohn.
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  Speaker 3: In that same zoom call GAM Trent balk on it
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  Speaker 3: as well, and he was asked if he was surprised
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  Speaker 3: he's still the general manager.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know if surprised is the right word. You know,
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  Speaker 8: that's ultimately, that's not my decision. That's the decision of ownership,
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  Speaker 8: and I certainly respect the decision that's been made and
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  Speaker 8: don't take the job lightly. The real fact, the bottom
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  Speaker 8: line is we weren't productive on the field. We didn't
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  Speaker 8: win enough games, and I don't shy away from that.
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  Speaker 8: I'm just as responsible as anybody else. And you know,
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  Speaker 8: all we can do now is roll up our sleeves
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  Speaker 8: and go to work.
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  Speaker 3: That's Trent Balke, general manager, Bucky what's your There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot to dive into here, obviously, start with the firing
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  Speaker 3: of Doug Peterson after three seasons and after all the
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  Speaker 3: losses starting middle of last season to now obviously heard
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  Speaker 3: what shod Con had to say, are you surprised, shocked?
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  Speaker 2: What's your reaction.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily surprised that he was dismissed. Whenever you
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  Speaker 4: finished twenty twenty three like we did and then you
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  Speaker 4: are like five and eighteen over the last twenty three games,
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  Speaker 4: you're always subject to be removed. And despite his best efforts,
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  Speaker 4: despite the best efforts of the coaching staff, we just
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  Speaker 4: couldn't get in the win column enough. And when you
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  Speaker 4: have ten one score losses and you're there but you
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  Speaker 4: just can't get over the top, you just wonder, well,
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  Speaker 4: what could be.
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  Speaker 5: The big move that could change everything?
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  Speaker 4: And that was gonna be the million dollar question if
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  Speaker 4: Doug Peterson came back, because last offseason we heard about
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  Speaker 4: a tough camp and more attention to detail, to making
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  Speaker 4: sure you guys are holding each other accountable, etc.
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  Speaker 5: Etc.
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  Speaker 4: But we had a worse record and a team that
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  Speaker 4: didn't fare as well this year than we did the
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  Speaker 4: previous year. So it's gonna be really really hard to
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  Speaker 4: sell that to the team. And so, yeah, you disappointed
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  Speaker 4: because these close friends those things, but it's a bottom
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  Speaker 4: line business and when you don't win, you subject to
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  Speaker 4: be removed.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I said this often I think Doug's a good coach.
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  Speaker 6: I've been around a lot of good coaches. You've gotten fired,
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  Speaker 6: I think at some point, and now Bucky and I
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  Speaker 6: have talked about this. I's it's about belief and direction
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  Speaker 6: as a head coach, and I thought, really starting about
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  Speaker 6: week five or six this year, I wondered if the
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  Speaker 6: way it was playing out, maybe not necessarily through the
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  Speaker 6: fault of the coach, but once you start losing like that,
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  Speaker 6: then your voice within the players that belief in that
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  Speaker 6: direction are Are they completely buying into what you're saying.
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  Speaker 6: Circumstances can mean you're just not listening anymore, or not
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  Speaker 6: listening enough, or dynamic goes away. I personally think the
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  Speaker 6: big reason they lost this year is I don't think
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  Speaker 6: they I don't think they have enough great players to
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  Speaker 6: make plays at the end of games and enough guys
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  Speaker 6: who will themselves into positions to win. But I don't
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  Speaker 6: think you could say that as a message and then
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  Speaker 6: keep the head coaching that, even if it's not necessary.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he's Doug to blame. I don't necessarily think so.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't necessarily think you could bring it back,
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  Speaker 6: because I don't know how he would have gotten it back, Bucky.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, how you get the messaging, how you get
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  Speaker 6: the locker room back to where okay, we're all in.
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  Speaker 6: I think sometimes coaches lose it because of that doesn't
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  Speaker 6: mean you couldn't go somewhere else and do it, but
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  Speaker 6: I think it does mean you can't do it there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you, John. I mean, as much
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  Speaker 4: as Sea Khan talked about the x's and o's and
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  Speaker 4: the vanilla schemes and the lack of you know, unpredictability
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  Speaker 4: of those things, at the end of the day, man,
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  Speaker 4: it's not about the ex's and o's, It's about the
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  Speaker 4: jimmies and Joe's. Now, the coach's job is to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that he has the Jimmies and Joe's in prime
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  Speaker 4: position to make plays. But he wasn't able to do that,
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  Speaker 4: and so he is certainly to blame for that, particularly
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to the offense.
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  Speaker 5: Which was supposed to be the strength of the team.
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  Speaker 4: And we had heard my conversations about who should be
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  Speaker 4: the player call in those things. So when you don't
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  Speaker 4: take on the duties of being the play caller, you're
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  Speaker 4: subject to the performance of those that you delegate. Those
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  Speaker 4: responsibilities to and unfortunately for Doug and the Jaguars, the
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  Speaker 4: offense wasn't good enough. The defense certainly fell short of
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  Speaker 4: the standard, but I would say the offensive ineptitude is
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  Speaker 4: really what did him end. This offense never looked like
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  Speaker 4: the offense that we saw in twenty twenty two, and
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  Speaker 4: ultimately that falls on the head coach, and it falls
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  Speaker 4: on the head coach, who's an offensive minded guy, for
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  Speaker 4: not getting that production up the park and.
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  Speaker 3: To get Jimmy's and Joe's in the building. That's the
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  Speaker 3: job of the general manager. A lot of the outside
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  Speaker 3: criticism after Monday was that Trent Balke was still the
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  Speaker 3: general manager of the Jaguars. Bucky, what'd you make of
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  Speaker 3: that move and that decision from shodkn You know?
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  Speaker 4: To me, look, I certainly understand normally, when you pour
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  Speaker 4: the plug on the administration, you do both sides.
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  Speaker 5: The general manager and the head coach normally go out
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  Speaker 5: the door.
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  Speaker 4: And as a general manager, you normally don't get three
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  Speaker 4: opportun unities to higher head coach in one spot. If
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  Speaker 4: it goes a ride twice, normally you go with the
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  Speaker 4: second coach that is dismissed. But Trent gets another opportunity
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  Speaker 4: and part of the reason why he gets an opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: And Frank, the emergence of Brian Thomas Jr.
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  Speaker 4: As a star, the recent play of Bretton Strange, what
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  Speaker 4: we saw from Tang.
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  Speaker 5: Bigsby Mason Smith coming on.
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  Speaker 4: I think you can make a reasonable case that maybe the.
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  Speaker 5: Talent isn't as bad as you would think.
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  Speaker 4: Even if we can talk about the free agent class
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  Speaker 4: being a failure, you can point to some good players,
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  Speaker 4: some good young players that kind of showed up and
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  Speaker 4: showed out that might have been the saving grace because
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  Speaker 4: the number one picks, even Trayvon Walker included, Because the
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  Speaker 4: first round picks and even the second round picks have
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  Speaker 4: played at a level that was we could call winning football,
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  Speaker 4: and some have played at almost like a star level,
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  Speaker 4: that might have been enough to make it where it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't unanimous or consensus decision that you have to remove
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  Speaker 4: the general manager as well.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think too. Shod gave you a little insight
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  Speaker 6: into how he perceives the general manager role as a
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  Speaker 6: supportive role. And everybody in football is supporting the head coach,
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  Speaker 6: so I think he sees it as everybody collectively is
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  Speaker 6: making decisions on personnel coaching included, and that Trent is
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  Speaker 6: supporting that vision. That's what I heard when Shod was
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  Speaker 6: talking about this. So I think the way he sees
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  Speaker 6: it is he wants a head coach centric. That's the vision,
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  Speaker 6: and everybody's supporting that. So I think he looks at
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  Speaker 6: it and says Trent can be fine and functional in
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  Speaker 6: that role in terms of running the football side of
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  Speaker 6: the organization and letting the head coach spread his wings,
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  Speaker 6: so to speak. I don't know if I completely nailed
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  Speaker 6: the vision there, Bucky, but that's what it felt like
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  Speaker 6: and sort of piecing things together Shod has said over
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  Speaker 6: the years. So I also think there's legitimate reports out
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  Speaker 6: there that as Shot goes through this interview process, I
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  Speaker 6: think he will continue to look at roles, level of
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  Speaker 6: say within roles, and how it's structured. I don't necessarily
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  Speaker 6: think that everything is as clear cut as people who
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  Speaker 6: are criticizing it one to believe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he said that almost as much, Bucky towards
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  Speaker 3: the end of the press conference, if anybody has better
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  Speaker 3: structure ideas of basically all ears for the owner.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he said that.
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  Speaker 4: But he also said that the people that he lean
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  Speaker 4: on when it comes to football matters are Trent Balke
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  Speaker 4: and Ethan and people within the building. And so if
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  Speaker 4: you're soliciting football advice from those that are inside, which
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  Speaker 4: is fine, they're always going to keep themselves in play
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  Speaker 4: and it's always going to be.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of deflected to others.
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  Speaker 4: The number one thing that has to happen for the
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  Speaker 4: team to operate at a championship level. Everyone has to
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  Speaker 4: be aligned in turn a division of the team the
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  Speaker 4: way football should be played, not necessarily the ex's and o's,
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  Speaker 4: but you have to have a shared value system in
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  Speaker 4: terms of how the team is constructed, the way the
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  Speaker 4: team needs to kind of be put together in order
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  Speaker 4: to win at a high level against look, I would
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  Speaker 4: say a very competitive conference where you have some of
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  Speaker 4: the best teams and best quarterbacks in the AFC, and
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  Speaker 4: you have to be convinced as you go through this
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  Speaker 4: process that the perspective head coach can get along with
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  Speaker 4: Treent Balki and they see the game the same, because
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  Speaker 4: if they don't see the game the same, they don't
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  Speaker 4: see how you evaluate players, how you bring players in
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  Speaker 4: and value certain characteristics. It will never work, and it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't matter who you come in Chuck nol Tony Dungee
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  Speaker 4: or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: If the head coach and the general manager are not aligned,
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  Speaker 5: it will never work.
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  Speaker 4: And so that is the challenge that Sean Khan faces
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  Speaker 4: when he goes through this process. He has to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that the head coach and general manager are locked
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  Speaker 4: out the hip when it comes to ball.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: We'll come back in a moment, Bucky. We'll get your
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  Speaker 3: take on some of these coaching candidates. The Jaguars put
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  Speaker 3: out a list of coaches potential coaches that they are
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  Speaker 3: asking for interviews from. We'll go down the list. How
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like fun, John, We'll do that. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna do that. When we come back, plenty ahead,
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  Speaker 2: we're off and running. It's huddle up with Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 9: Obviously, it's unfortunate because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 9: we all had a hand in, you know, this season,
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  Speaker 9: and just how the way things have shaken out. I
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  Speaker 9: have a ton of respect for Doug. He's maybe a
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  Speaker 9: better football player, a better man, and you know, I
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  Speaker 9: think he's one of the better coaches to have coached
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  Speaker 9: in this league. And it's just unfortunate the way that
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  Speaker 9: things went, but obviously the organization has to make a
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  Speaker 9: decision that they feel its best going.
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  Speaker 3: Full That's Kristen Kirk, Jaguars wide receiver in the locker
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  Speaker 3: room Monday, after the end of the season clean out day. Monday,
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  Speaker 3: We'll hear from Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars quarterback. He hasn't talked
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  Speaker 3: yet and he's let's get John's microphone out. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 3: coming up Thursday. Did not speak in the locker room
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  Speaker 3: on Monday.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't.
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  Speaker 3: He will speak on Thursday, So we'll hear from the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback and get his thoughts. Coming up tomorrow, Bucky, and
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  Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see what he has to say
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  Speaker 3: about all the events that have happened the last few
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  Speaker 3: days and moving ahead. Now, Hey, let's go through the
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  Speaker 3: list of candidates the team tweeting out or posting on
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  Speaker 3: x if you will, the list of candidates they are
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  Speaker 3: asking for interviews from. And let's start off with Eagles
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  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, the guy who played in the
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  Speaker 3: league and then went right into the coaching ranks right
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  Speaker 3: after his final year playing.
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  Speaker 2: Bucky, what do you like? What do you know about
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  Speaker 2: Kellen Moore?
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  Speaker 4: I'm mistaken killing Moore is the son of a longtime
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  Speaker 4: head coaching Idaho who had a lot of success when
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  Speaker 4: he played at Voids to State. I remember scouting him.
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  Speaker 4: He's a guy who's at the time to win this
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  Speaker 4: quarterback in college football, so he's always been around winning
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  Speaker 4: as a backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: He was able to take the lessons.
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  Speaker 4: He learned from observing on the sideline to being a
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  Speaker 4: really good offensive coordinator and a few destinations. First in Dallas,
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  Speaker 4: he did a really good job with Dak Prescott, and
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  Speaker 4: then the work that he's done with Philadelphia. I think
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  Speaker 4: the thing that you look at from Kellen is the
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  Speaker 4: growth that he has made as an offensive coordinator, going
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  Speaker 4: from Dallas having to do it one way, having failures
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  Speaker 4: in Los Angeles with the Chargers, but then take it
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  Speaker 4: over in Philadelphia and really remaking their offense, but having
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  Speaker 4: to do it differently rether than.
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  Speaker 5: Dealing with a drop back quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: He had to do it with an athlete at quarterback
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  Speaker 4: in Jalen Hurts, and they've been able to adapt and
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  Speaker 4: be efficient and explosive in those things. Now, this is
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  Speaker 4: not a direct correlation between the success you have as
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  Speaker 4: a play caller to the success that you have as
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  Speaker 4: a head coach. But I do believe the adaptability, the
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  Speaker 4: creativity that he's displayed could set him up to be
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  Speaker 4: a really head coach if surrounded the right coaches and
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  Speaker 4: if he has a really good relationship with the GM.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no doubt he's gonna be a head
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  Speaker 6: coach at some point. I don't know enough about Kellen
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  Speaker 6: Moore to know how he would be setting a culture
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  Speaker 6: as an offensive play caller and as a concept on offense,
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  Speaker 6: he's clearly one of the best and has the right future.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. He doesn't feel like a favorite to me,
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  Speaker 6: But the key here also is I hope there's really
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  Speaker 6: not a favorite yet, because the best results that I've
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  Speaker 6: ever been around has been when the owner actually listens
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  Speaker 6: and tries to figure out is this the guy the
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  Speaker 6: right fit or is this the guy who's the right
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  Speaker 6: fit without preconceived notions. So maybe Kellen Moore arises.
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  Speaker 3: So Todd Munkin is in a good spot right now
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  Speaker 3: with the Baltimore Ravens dialing it up for Lamar Jackson
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  Speaker 3: and Derek Henry. Second year as the Ravens offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 3: he was a wide receivers coach here seven through ten,
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  Speaker 3: longtime college assistant Bucky a bunch of different places OC
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL with Tampa, with Cleveland, back to Georgia
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  Speaker 3: for some good years as the OC for the Bulldogs.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you know about Monkin here? He's been
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  Speaker 2: all over the place.
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  Speaker 5: It has been all over the place.
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  Speaker 4: The good thing I would say is he at least
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: knows the environment that he would be stepping into in Jacksonville.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Having coached there, I would say.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: He's been in an environment in Baltimore that is viewed
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: as one of the best in the business.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Nope, we lost Bucky, We'll get Bucky back.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: And yeah, I was not around when Todd was here.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: I have been around people who were around Todd when
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: he was here. He reminds me a little bit of
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: a guy that I just also barely missed a NINDI
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: Bruce arians been around a long time, hasn't ever gotten
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: a shot at an NFL job. Sometimes those guys at
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: that point are ready for it. They've seen it, they
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: know enough to know what they don't know at that
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: at that age, I like him ause he's the one
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: candidate in the pool that's older than the ozone which
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: is getting rare at this point, JP, because I'm getting
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: up there. But there is something to be said about
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: the adult in the room, so to speak, and a
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: guy who has seen it, who knows the missteps that
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: can be taken. He's he has head coaching experience at
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: the college level, and he can definitely from what I
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: have heard about him, he is definitely a guy who
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: can operate within the system and knows how to be
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: an NFL head coach with that with that sort of
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: experience level, and I think that's a positive.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bucky, we lost you mid monk in there. But
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: John's point was the guy who's been around adults in
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: the room.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: No, I think I think I think John has a
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: good point.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: And the comparison to Bruce Arians is one that is
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: really interesting because Bruce Arians was laid to the party
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: when he got his opportunity to be the head coach,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: but he was able to parlay all of that experience
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: and to a lot of success as a head coach
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: with the Arizona Cardinals. Monk and has certainly been around
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of successful programs.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: He understands what it should look like and what you hope.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Is he's able to kind of take what he liked,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: the bits and pieces from each of those programs and
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: put together in culture and an environment that allows the
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: players to be successful. And I do believe it does
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: help to have spent some time in Jacksonville with the team,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: even though it was different ownership when he was there.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I still think you need to have a field of
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: the city and the organization to really know how you
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: have to build the culture out to have success.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: And this isn't everything JP. But you know, some guys
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: leave and people who knew him in the building say
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: good riddance. I mean that happens in life. People in
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: the building talked very highly at Todd Munkett as a character.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Guy will be fifty nine years old next football season,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and we go from him to a guy who will
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: be thirty six years old next football season. Joe Brady
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: the Bills offensive coordinator. He was an LSU with Burrow
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: and that whole crew is the passing game coordinator in
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. That was really Bucky his big jump to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: the NFL that came right afterwards.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, his big jump in you know, he went from
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: LSU being the pass game coordinator to be an offense
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: coordinator in Carolina and it really didn't work out. Spent
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: maybe a season and a half of Carolina under Matt Rule,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: finds his way to Buffalo, and then he does a
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: really good job of taking over after Brian day Ball
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: and Ken Dorsey and those guys, and he tweaked the
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: offense to really help it become a little more balanced,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: to help Josh Allen kind of realize his whole potential,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: not necessarily as a playmaker, but more as a distributor.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: So he deserves a lot of credit for that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: The job is a big one, and it's a big
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: jump because when you only been a coordinator for a
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: year or two then go to being a head coach
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: like it's not a seamless transition. And I'll keep talking
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: about there's no direct coordination between what you do as
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: a coordinator and what you do as a head coach.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: But he's a little young. There's a lot of newness
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: that would be around him. So his coaching staff, to me,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: matters more than what he brings. Who is going to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: be around them, who's going to support him, who's going
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: to be the defensive coordinator so he can concentrate on
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: the offense all of those things have to be a
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: part of the conversation when he's interviewed.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: We had a long list.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I'll defer, Okay, Liam Cohen, Bucks offensive coordinator, former Arena
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: League quarterback, a long time in some smaller college programs
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: as an offensive coordinator, and then a long time in LA.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Back and forth to Kentucky a couple of times, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now in Tampa Bay with Baker
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Mayfield and company.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's a hot name, but it's been
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: a meteoric ride because I do remember how we.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Winn in Kentucky.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: But he goes from Kentucky as an offensive coordinator, we
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: didn't have to as re look, has ad reunion with
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Sean McVay, and then he finds his way to tappen
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: he and Baker Mayfield and that offense has really clicked.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: They've been able to run the football effectively.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield's playing at a high level, probably the best
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: that we've seen in his career, so he deserves a
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: lot of credit for that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: But once again, I'm gonna say, when it comes to
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: the office.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Of guys and everyone's to tell you about the play calls,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: we're going to have all this other stuff. There's little
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: correlation between what someone did as a play caller on
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: offense to.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: What they have to do as a head coach.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: The number one thing we have to do is set
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: the coach and can he take what he learned from
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Sean McVay in LA take that because they have one
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: of the best coaches that you're finding pro football, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: implement that in Jacksonville.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: That's gonna be the million dollar questions yeall say quickly.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: When I worked with Tony Dungee said, the biggest thing
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: he had to learn was immediately right out of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: box that when you're a head coach, you can't solve
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: your problems in the film room anymore. As a coordinator,
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: your instinct is if something goes wrong on Sunday, that
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: you are in the film room until one am Tuesday morning,
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: and that that's where you're going to solve your problems.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: Every head coach has to realize, Hey, I can't solve
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: my problems alone in the film room anymore. Bucky, speaking
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: to this point, I've gotten the point where I'm always
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: wary of the hot guy who's in the top five
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: in offensive stats. Does it concern you to so many
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: guys on this list are good coordinators with great quarterbacks.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Different dynamics come in, and I think this is what
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: we're talking about. Don't get necessarily locked in to the
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: statistical rating on.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: This absolutely and I think it's like, I think that's
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: the number one thing because my fear comes from listening
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: to shotgun talk about like unpredictability and the bills and
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: whistles that you can see on Sundays when you see
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: these offensive coordinators doing these fantastic things.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: With elite quarterbacks.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: And what you have to then able to do is
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: let's have an honest conversation about Trevor Lawrence.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: What does Trevor Lawrence fit in that situation?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: And is Trevor more like Josh Allen or more like
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: someone that is in the middle of the pack, And
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: how can you build an offense that fits them? And
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: so that's why it can't be just about, oh, I
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: need someone to elevate Trevor Lawrence.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Is about who.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Can take the team and take the team to another level.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: That's why we have to be very very cautious and
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: careful when we talk about like the play call at
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the offensive play caller being the guy that's gonna come
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: and save the Jacksonville Jaguars because guess what, Deoe Peterson
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: was regarded as a great play caller before we came
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: to Jacksonville, and here we are looking for another coach.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: So it doesn't matter.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: It has to be the leadership part of it and
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: the organization part that we need to focus on more.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Speaking of the hot names on the list, we'll come
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: back in a moment and get to Ben Johnson. That
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: is the name that's been thrown around the most by
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• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It's huddled up with Bucky Brooks.
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: It's definitely something that me personally, I don't want to hear.
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: I think he's a great coach. He's done some great
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: things for this organization and he's a great guy, great coach.
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: Like I said, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but no,
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: it's life. We all faced with obstacles in life and
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: we just gotta keep going.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Let's Trayvon Walker, Jaguars, Devinsman in the locker room Monday,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: welcome back. It'shuddled up with Bucky Brooks. First time we've
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: had this show in a while. Had New Year's Day
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: was on a Wednesday and Christmas and it's in Bucky's
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: contract that he cannot work on either holiday.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I would I would have fired it up. I had
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: things to say then, just like I have things to
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: say now. The players drive me nuts man with their commentary.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Why that is just all of her like just just
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: just just passing the buck.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Everyone passes the buck.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: No one takes full accountability for the things that happened
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: on the field, and so to me, that is the
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: part that drives me crazy.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: We can change the leadership, but if we don't have
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: the right people, meaning the people that really.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Love ball, care about ball, their attitude and effort is
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: always right when they take the field, it will never change.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: And I think as we're doing this deep dive.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: And kind of a rebuild, I think that also has
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: to be a part of the equation.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Do you have the right people in the building. Do
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: you have the right players in the building.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Not from a talent standpoint, but from a mentality, do
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: we have the right team to accomplish.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: What we say that we want to accomplish as the franchise.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if you go back and listen to
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: Trayvon Bucket, maybe it wasn't in that clip, but I
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: think you would like what you heard on Monday, right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: But he basically said exactly what you're saying, that they
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: need guys that there was a little while during the
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: season where he wondered if everybody was as all in
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: as they needed to be during the six game you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: during six to seven game losing streak, and he talked
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: about the need to have that and it just not
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: I mean or phrasing poorly, but the gist was not
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: accepting that as a team. And I think, to me,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: I would love next season for Trayvon to be more
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: vocal in that situation. Say hey, I think he's still
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: getting to a vocal leader stance. I think he's a
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: leader inside. I think he's he's a guy of integrity
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: on that front, who brings the right ethic, and I
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: would love to see him as the guy to step
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: up next year and say, you know what, on a
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: two game losing streak, that's it. It ends now and
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: so they need more of that, and I think he
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: can be that guy.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: I like him, And I will say this, like one
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: of the things in this guying biz, like you tend
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: to lean to guys that come from winning programs that
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: have played at a high level in college because they
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: know what it looks like when it comes to winning.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: It doesn't guarantee that, but they understand how it should operate.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: They understand destruction, discipline and attention to detail that's needed.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: But they also have typically been in an environment where
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: players hold each other acountable. Because as much as we
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: can talk about Doug and the coaches and oh, they
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: need to hold people accountable. All the reports that are
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: reading from Miami and Chicago and every team that loses,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: they all have the same stuff right, the coach is
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: not right, But ultimately it's a players.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: League and players have to police the other players.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: And so un two we have that where it's confrontational,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: where you can confront and demand more from your teammates,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: it still won't necessarily be what it could be in Jackson.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Trayvon got to a level of that the other
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: day That was encouraging to me because he was basically
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: saying what you're saying, Buck, that it needs to be
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: more about. Hey, hey, we're not going to accept this,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: not the coaches. It's not the coach's team, it's the
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: player's team.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Well, let's get to some of the coaching candidates, because
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: there is a job opening right now.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Head coach.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: I'm fine with him being here.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, he's still allowed to be. Yes, it is a
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: player's league. We got four down and four to go.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And one more offensive minded candidate. That's Ben Johnson, Lions
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. This is the hottest of hot names right now,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Bucky with his success in Detroit and him staying in
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Detroit last season to come back to the Lions this
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: year as the OC. He's another guy that's in his thirties,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: young guy, moving fast.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Went to a great university, so he's been raised the
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: right way, being a former Tario, and so he's.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Been able to take some of the basketball player.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: To college and to adapt into becoming a really really good,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: offensive minded offensive play call. When I look at Ben
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Johnson like it is fun. It is like going to
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: an amusement park and watching all the fun things that
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: the Lions do.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Right, the reverses the.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Trick plays, the misdirection, the deception, the way it is
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: so explosive. But I will say with him, he deserves
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: a lot of credit for taking over as the play
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: call and really helping Jared Goff go to another level.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: But I will say, it's really important that you have
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: to be in to give him the pieces to work
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: with like Detroit has. And it started with that offensive
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: line and then it goes to the permitter playmakers that
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: they have around the quarterback that allows them to do
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: all the fun stuff.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: That we see.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I'm with Bucky.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: I love his approach. I love everything I have heard
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: reading and talking to people about Ben Johnson. I think Ben,
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: I assume Ben would say this as well. It's really
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: easy to be creative, or it's much easier to be
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: creative when you trust those five guys up front to
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: block it when you're being creative and when you're being basic.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: The creativity thing this week, I understand what Schod said.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: I respect what Shod said. When you can't do the
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: basics offensively, which the Jaguar's had trouble doing, it's hard
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: to be unpredictable.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: We'll get back with Bucky in just a moment.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Those are the first five we talked about, all offensive
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: minded candidates. The final three have a defensive background, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: we stay with the Detroit Lions and Aaron Glenn, defensive
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: coordinator who was a Jags cornerback in two thousand and seven.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Johnny played in five games that year, inactive for eleven
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: games in the two playoff games that season.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Started as a.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Scout with the Jets for a couple of years with
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: the Browns assistant TB coach the Saints, and then has
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: been the Lions defensive coordinator since twenty twenty one. And
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: they've got a good group over there on that defensive
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: side in Detroit.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: They've had a lot of injuries there.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Some guys are starting to come back at the end
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: of the season and they put on a performance the
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: other day in the red zone against Minnesota.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: He becomes more and more intriguing, and it's not necessarily Look,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: he's done a nice job. The storyline with Aaron Glenn
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: this year really unbelievable job with an injured defense and
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: they're playing above their talent level at this point. It
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: seems like right, But I think the thing that intrigues me,
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: I like the early fifties been there before, many his age,
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: been there before, is ready for the job in the
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: same way that Monkin is, meaning he's seen a lot.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: And generally speaking, there's something about those fifty year old
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: coaches not necessarily trying to impress as many people as
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: maybe a thirty five forty year old coach who's still
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: trying to show that they're geniuses. Right, And I'm paraphrasing here,
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: and I'm not discounting anybody who might get the job,
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: but Aaron Glenn it seems like has the respect to players,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: can stand in front of a room, has the credibility.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: And I'm more and more intrigued with Aaron Glenn. The
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: more I read about him, the more I sort of
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: dissect in terms of that of what Bucky and I
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: have talked about being the person who can set an
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: identity the franchise. I don't know if Bucky's come in
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: from on high and can hear that or not. I
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: don't know if he's ready, but.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Bucky, I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah, I'm ready.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: So he sort of appears out of nowhere sometimes and
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: just sort of show.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: He can do whatever he wants. So here here's the thing.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: So what I was going to finish with with Ben Johnson.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Is it's really easy for Ben Johson to do what
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: he does when he's would have kind of live in
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: the shadows behind Dan Campbell who sets and establishes the culture.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: And so you just have to make sure that Ben
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Johnson is comfortable doing that. And Aaron Glenn, who's a friend,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I have to make sure I acknowledge that, like you
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: don't have to worry about that. He's very saucy and
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: spicy when it comes to the way that he approaches
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: the team and his unit, and he kind of comes
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: from that cloth like played under Bill Parcells, so he
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: understands the tough environment, the hard coaching and all that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: He's very demanding when it comes to the players that
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: he deals with, and talking to him after our game,
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  Speaker 4: I did kind of talk to him a little about
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: about Jackson. He talked about, look, man, the Jags are
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: super talented, but he just talked about maybe a little tough.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: That's a little more things that wouldn't be intriguing. So
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: I'm intrigued to hear how those conversations go when he
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: does have an opportunity to sit down with ownership and
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: the fact that he played in Jacksonville.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: To me also helps.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I think he knows what he would be stepping into
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: with that, And don't discount the relationship that Trent Balky
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: had with Bill Parcells and the fact that Aaron Glenn
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: played for Bill our sales.
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  Speaker 5: In New York.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: When we talk about being aligned and seeing the game
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  Speaker 4: the right way, I think that is something that will
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be overlooked. When it comes to who is going
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: to be the guy that eventually gets the job.
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  Speaker 6: I think I know the answer the question, Buck, but
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: it sounds like you think he's ready.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's ready, But now guys have to
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: be ready for the job. I think, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's like he's the perfect candid, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I think there's going to be some on the job
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  Speaker 4: training that you have to deal with. But in terms
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: of the alignment that potentially could occur between him and
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: the general manager, I think they do see.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Ball probably the same way.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: And I do believe he's a little edgier than some
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: of the head coaches that we've had in the past,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: and I think that might be necessary when we talk
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: about some of the attitude that we see in terms
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: of like getting in the team going. And I'm not
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: saying he's a route right guy, but sometimes you got
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: to have these hard conversations with players. He is not
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: afraid of confrontation. I think that's really important as a
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Two more to go.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick Graham, Raiders defensive coordinator, a long time Patriots assistant
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  Speaker 3: from a nine to fifteen, and then was with the Giants,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: with the Packers, he's been the DC for the Dolphins,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: the Giants, and the Raiders since then. What about Patrick
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  Speaker 3: Graham Bucky.
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  Speaker 4: Really really smart man, really smart defensive coordinator, understands ball
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  Speaker 4: at a high level. We can talk about the Patriot
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  Speaker 4: weigh and how he's been impacted by that, but having
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  Speaker 4: watched him in a couple of different programs, first with
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  Speaker 4: the Giants, deal with the Raiders, he did a really
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: really good job in terms of taking I would say,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: not the most talented squad, but elevating them and getting
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: him to play at a high level. He is going
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: to come with some really good ideas. He's gonna come
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: with an understanding.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Of how, nope, we lost Bucky, herebe we'll get back again.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: I do not know as much about Patrick Graham, and
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: then a lot about a lot by the candidates. So
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: audiferwek move on to Robert sie.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Let's finish up with Robert Sala. Goy we Noel here.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, he was the linebackers coach here from twenty
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: fourteen to sixteen. Since then the forty nine ers defensive
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: coordinator and the Jets head coach. Since twenty twenty one
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: he got Aaron Rodgerd and he is out as the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Jets head coach. He's actually with the Packers as an
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: offensive consultant this year after he got whacked in New
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: York and Robert Sala. A lot of people like the
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: way he has gone up the ladder in the NFL.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he I would. I'd say Johnson, Glenn
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: and Sala are the three that I sort of am
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: most intrigued by. And I think Sala I like because
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: it feels like the Jets are tough situation that he
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: ran into, and he's still a young enough guy to
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: very much relate to the players. I have zero doubt
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: that he could come in and establish culture, learn from experience,
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: be able to handle the head coaching stuff, because, as
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: you and I have talked about for JP, so much
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: of the head coach is okay the first day on
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: the job. I think Parcels has said it a lot.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: You realize at eight thirty on every morning, you're dealing
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: with something that's not football. It's you know, some crisis,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: something's crossing your desk that is not necessarily what people
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: think about football. Sala is ready for that part of it,
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: So I think he would be a solid choice. It
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: doesn't feel like he's the first choice because it right
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: now just feels like the Johnson Glenn stuff is in
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: the water. I'd be fine with Robert.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Soliz and Bucky you're back with us now. I mean
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Robert Sala got fired after Aaron Rodgers through three horrible
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: picks in London.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: How does that work?
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's kind of crazy.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: But I will say all the things that John said
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: are really intriguing because the culture and establishing.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: What they were able to do, particularly on defense.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: You intrigued by the million dollar question how are you
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: going to handle the offense? Because the thing that really
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: undermined his tenure in New York he never could get
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: the offense going, went through a few offensive coordinators, couldn't
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: figure it out. So who is going to be the
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: person that comes and runs the offense and helps Trevor
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Lawrence go from good to great as a player.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: He has to have an answer and a plan for.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: That, because that would be the Achilles hill that you
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: would kind of associate with ropers out all these defensive minded.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's always the defense. You know, if I'm solid,
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: my guess is part of the conversation as well. You
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: know what first couple of years quarterback issues to say
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: the least, uh, And then the rogers think, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: I think it's probably more of an undecided than a failure.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: You know, you can make the argument, really it really
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: had a chance to get going offensively with that, that
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: would be really argument.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: If it happened, then they spiral even worse when he
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: was gone and was fired in the rest of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: season in New York too. So there you have it,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: the eight candidates, as listed by the Jaguars X account.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: We're back in a moment. We'll take a look at
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: the playoff schedule and wrap it up for the season.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: This is the first show in three weeks, and it's
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the last show and after the super Bowl, and this
• 39:01
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• 39:12
  Speaker 8: I think Doug and I were aligned, very aligned and
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: reopened and honest conversations with Doug for three straight years.
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: So I don't know that the marriage factor. You know this,
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: This is a situation where you go out and you
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: pick the best person you can pick, and you you
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: go to work. You roll up your sleeves and go
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: to work. Nobody has a crystal ball. Mistakes are made
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: and all the time in this business, and you gotta
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: you gotta self correct.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: And that's Trent Balke, Jaguars general manager, discussing the alignment
• 39:48
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• 39:59
  Speaker 3: up tomorrow. Trevor Lawrence speaking with the media at eleven fifteen.
• 40:03
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• 40:10
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• 40:14
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• 40:16
  Speaker 3: was open on Monday, Let's.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Take a look at the playoffs schedule quickly, and then
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: we'll get out of here, Bucky.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: We've got some fantastic football games in the wild Card round.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Four thirty Saturday, Chargers Texans, eight o'clock Saturday, Steelers Ravens.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Who do you like in those two? Bucky let out?
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: It's an interesting one.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I'd like the Chargers against the Texans, and then you know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: the Baltimore Ravens are playing the best football that we've
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: seen going to the tournament.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: So I'm gon go to Ravens in that one.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Chargers, right, and maybe those a Flowers had the
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: knee injury in the game against Cleveland. In Week eighteen,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: three games on Sunday one o'clock Broncos Bills, Packers at
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: the Eagles at four thirty, and then I'm really excited
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: for the Command and the Buccaneers.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I never thought i'd say that this year. What do
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: you like about those three games?
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Bucky?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Well, naturally, you want to take the Buffalo Bills because
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: they're playing at home. They've had a really, really good season.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen has played at MVP level, so.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: You like them.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: The Philadelphia Eagles to look, the thing that hangs over
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: the game is the health and availability of Jalen Hurst.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: If he's there, you like them. And then finally I'm
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: just fascinated by Jayden Daniels.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: And even though the Buccaneers are rolling, it is something
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: about Jaden Daniels and Washington play. Sometimes a superhero quarterback
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: can lead you past the opening orm.
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Bill's Eagles and Bucks.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that last game. That's why it's today o'clock
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: on Sunday night. It's it's an intriguing matchup, could be
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: like forty to thirty five, some weird score like that
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Monday Vikings at the Rams.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: What do you like in this one? Buck?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: You know, normally I would take the Vikings in this
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: just because Kevin O'Connor and Brian Floor is that combination
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: of tough. But there's going to be kind of a
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: rallying or a galvan a kind of like a galvanizing
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: theme that attacks that it hangs with La. So look
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: for the Rams to play at a high level because
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: with all the fires and all the other stuff, there's
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: gonna be some added energy in the building that could
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: be enough to get them over the top.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: One final thing, conceptually speaking, Bucky, I hate the Monday
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: night playoff game.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Are we talking about?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Look?
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: Play the playoffs on the weekend, Monday night, we're short rest.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: I don't like the Monday wild card game. How about
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: how about that?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Did you like the three games and eleven days around
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Christmas games?
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: No, you like Sunday wildlock.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: With prime time weeks and Monday in the playoffs. It's
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: an inherent disadvantage the next week you're playing. I don't
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: think it's fair. I don't like it, Bucky, I don't
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: like it. How about that?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: How about that man?
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: The old man get off my yeah, yeah, lost everything?
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: When everyone's playing at one o'clock, all the games at
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: one o'clock.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: One o'clock, at four o'clock.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: You know what, go back to six divisions, fourteen games,
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: and two rounds of the playoffs. While you're at it,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: three division champions in a wild card, just like nineteen
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: seventy four.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Oh god, it's so ridiculous. But that would defeat your person.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: If we turned back the clock, then we wouldn't have
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: everyone throwing it all over the yard.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Then you have to get that you're a cloud of
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: dust and a lot of tailbacks, kind of being the
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: focal point of the team. That certainly doesn't hit your wills.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Full backs, full back baby, full back football.
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: You're right, and I still don't like Monday night playoff games.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Well, this is our first show in three weeks, but
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: it's our last show until after the super Bowl. We'll
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: come back with podcast versions only after then. Bucky, it's
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: been a pleasure all season long. Good luck with everything
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: going on in La Man.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: It should be a lot of fun because then when
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: we come back, we get to talk about the combine
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: and all that other stuff.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Oh well, yeah, it'll be keeping Bucky seriously stay safe
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: out there.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, thanks guys, all right.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Buy Bucky Brooks joining us, John Osraan, J P. Shaddick,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Thanks to David, Joe, Brent Reeber, Joe Fortuneo, our entire crew.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you for watching Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.