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Cory Bowman - Is the perception that downtown is not safe the reality? · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC DE Talk Station seven o five on
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  Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day, twenty twenty six. Kay Darlin for Brian
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  Speaker 1: Thomas this morning, and glad I am to be joined
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  Speaker 1: now by the man I like to call the man
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  Speaker 1: in the arena bravely threw his hat in where others
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  Speaker 1: had feared to tread for decades before. Corey Bowman, who
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  Speaker 1: bravely ran for the Mayor of Cincinnati, got a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a beatdown. But he is, he is unbowed
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  Speaker 1: on bowed And Corey Bowman, it's great to have you
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  Speaker 1: back on fifty five KRC. How are you this morning?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I was a little surprised this morning.
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  Speaker 3: I woke up to snow on my car, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: just trying to figure out what Twilight's doing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in right, that was a little rude awakening. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and look, I mean you listen to Chuck and seventy
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  Speaker 1: five and Sparta is closed down, seventy one Fields Rtle
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  Speaker 1: is closed down. So the roads are a little tricky
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  Speaker 1: out there this morning. So you got you gotta be careful,
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  Speaker 1: Corey Bumman, that there are so many man there are
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  Speaker 1: so many items that are percolating right now. Where do
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  Speaker 1: you want to start? You know, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you have a chance to listen yesterday, but I had
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  Speaker 1: Chris Smythman in here and we were talking about any
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  Speaker 1: number of issues as it relates to the city which
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  Speaker 1: I want to do with you, and we spent a
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  Speaker 1: fair amount of time talking about the city manager and
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  Speaker 1: this most recent review of the of the city manager,
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  Speaker 1: and the headline in the Inquirer is you know, city
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  Speaker 1: council gives the city manager share along a glowing job review,
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  Speaker 1: and it turns out the city manager wrote her own review,
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  Speaker 1: talked about all these wonderful accomplishments that she has, and
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  Speaker 1: Chris Smitheman, his analysis was was that this is her
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of her ex secuting her exit strategy
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  Speaker 1: from the City of Cincinnati. As you look at what's
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  Speaker 1: happening with the city manager right now, do you size
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  Speaker 1: things up the same way? How do you see it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Christopher Smisman I listened to him yesterday as well.
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  Speaker 3: He had some great points. And you know, Christopher was
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  Speaker 3: an amazing friend of mine throughout last year.
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  Speaker 2: The campaign still is to day, I still call him up.
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  Speaker 3: To annoy him constantly when it comes to things along
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  Speaker 3: with the city. But I think he's right on when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to the city manager's position, because if we
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  Speaker 3: look at last year, you know, one of the biggest
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  Speaker 3: reasons I actually even entertain the thought of running for
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  Speaker 3: mayor is because we on coffee shop in the West
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  Speaker 3: End of Cincinnati, and not last.
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  Speaker 2: Year, but the year before, the.
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  Speaker 3: Winter before the snow removal was so terrible that customers
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  Speaker 3: couldn't come into my shop for a week because of
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  Speaker 3: the snowpower removal on the West End, and that was
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  Speaker 3: very frustrating not only to me, but many theusinesses that
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  Speaker 3: are in the Downtown area Central Business District OTR, and
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  Speaker 3: that falls directly under the leadership of the city manager. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the way that our city is structured, technically, we should
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  Speaker 3: have a strong mayor position. Now, a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: structure that you see is designed in what's supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be called checks and balances, but really what it is
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  Speaker 3: is that it's kind of a scapegoat situation to where
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  Speaker 3: there's always a fall, there's always somebody that's going to
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  Speaker 3: take the blame. That way that people at the top
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  Speaker 3: don't run their political careers. And that's exactly what's happening
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  Speaker 3: with the city manager with the mayor right now. And
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  Speaker 3: if you look at what's happened just over the last year,
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  Speaker 3: and the only thing that you have to.
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  Speaker 2: Say is that it was a glowing review. She did greades.
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  Speaker 3: There's no corrections, at least what the public sees needs
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  Speaker 3: to be corrections. Well, then that's one of the only
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  Speaker 3: solutions I have is that she's on her way out.
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  Speaker 3: She's going to take the fall or the blame. It's
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  Speaker 3: going to be done in a way to where it
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  Speaker 3: seems like she's moving on or she's taking a promotion.
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  Speaker 3: But it doesn't change the.
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  Speaker 2: Fact that this has not been a.
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  Speaker 3: Well run administration from the city manager's perspective. The snow
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  Speaker 3: file removal, the crime rate, the appointment of officials, the
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  Speaker 3: wrongful termination of Michael Washington as a police or as
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  Speaker 3: the fire chief, and now this whole thing with Police
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  Speaker 3: Chief Dji under our structure falls under the city manager.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the way that it's set up. But still,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the city manager having purview over
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  Speaker 1: all these areas, you would expect, hopefully, you would expect
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  Speaker 1: some results in some of these areas, but there are
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  Speaker 1: so many items that are sitting on the table. We
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  Speaker 1: spent some time with Chris yesterday talking about an eight
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollar unfunded liability as it relates
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  Speaker 1: to the retirement program that the City of Cincinnati has
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  Speaker 1: for its employees. There have been no meaningful efforts in
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  Speaker 1: that area. We've got a police chief who's been twisting
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  Speaker 1: in the wind for the last five months. We still
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  Speaker 1: have the settlement and then it looks like the settlement
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  Speaker 1: or the court case as it relates to the former
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  Speaker 1: police chief, Mike Washington, is going to come down in
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  Speaker 1: his favor. That's going to cost the city a multimillion
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  Speaker 1: dollar settlement. So you don't see any of these items
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  Speaker 1: addressed in the review when it comes to the city manager.
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  Speaker 1: And I just wonder, as mayor, would you be okay
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  Speaker 1: with Look, the city manager should have a regular review
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  Speaker 1: that goes before council, But as mayor, would you be
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  Speaker 1: okay and would you abide the city manager writing their
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  Speaker 1: own review that gets submitted to council for their rubber stamp.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: If we need a third party to investigate the police chief,
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  Speaker 3: if we need a third party to do a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of other things.
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  Speaker 2: Then we would need a third.
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  Speaker 3: Party company or or organization to do the review of
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  Speaker 3: the city manager, I believe, and I think that actually
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  Speaker 3: is something that has to do with the budget as well.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to the budget and the audit of
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  Speaker 3: how the money is spent in our city, I think
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  Speaker 3: that we need to bring in third party auditors when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to that as well, because we need accountability.
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  Speaker 3: You know, with any business, with any nonprofit, there's accountability,
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  Speaker 3: there's third party accountability, just to make sure that there's
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  Speaker 3: no bias, and we're not seeing that city Hall.
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  Speaker 2: Really, what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 3: Is that, from my perspective, we have a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: political pawns that get told what they're what to do
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to City Council, when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: the mayor. But really the power or the monopoly that
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  Speaker 3: you see of power at City Hall is in the
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  Speaker 3: City Manager's office, and a lot of that comes even
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  Speaker 3: trickles down to the chief of staff of the mayor,
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  Speaker 3: the chief of staff of the CPD. I saw that
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  Speaker 3: whenever I looked into the internal aspect of the CPD,
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  Speaker 3: the City Hall has its hands and everything the top
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  Speaker 3: of all that is the city manager's office.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I think there was a time when
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  Speaker 1: the city manager structure that we had here in Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: was good for the city and was responsive to council
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  Speaker 1: and to what the city or the people of the
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati of Cincinnati needed and wanted, was a good way
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  Speaker 1: to oversee economic development of the city. But it seems
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  Speaker 1: that we've gotten to the point now to where we
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  Speaker 1: have I don't know, certain individuals who look at what's
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  Speaker 1: happening in the city are part of what is happening
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  Speaker 1: in the city, and it seems that we cater to
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  Speaker 1: there once needs and desires more than what is really
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  Speaker 1: needed when it comes to what the city needs and
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  Speaker 1: wants and desires. And I think that was pointed out
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  Speaker 1: in the piece that David Ferrara had in the Enquirer
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  Speaker 1: on March fifteenth, just a couple of days ago, talking
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  Speaker 1: about fewer people going downtown to over the Rhine. And
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  Speaker 1: this is something that this is right in your wheelhouse
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the perception and the reality of safety,
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  Speaker 1: of crime, of economic activity. This is something that you
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  Speaker 1: live every single day as far as people people like
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  Speaker 1: me who live in the suburbs who find any reason,
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  Speaker 1: and it gets easier and easier to find reasons not
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  Speaker 1: to come downtown just simply because of the whole idea
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I don't want to deal with everything
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  Speaker 1: that comes with it, especially in a sense to where
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  Speaker 1: it it accrues to the negative and it's it's Cory Bowman,
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  Speaker 1: this is not a good look that we have going
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  Speaker 1: on right now.
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  Speaker 2: Now. The nare basically throughout the year was saying that
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  Speaker 2: it was fear monger. You know, there's a bunch.
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  Speaker 3: Of fear mongering and that so people didn't feel safe
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  Speaker 3: to come downtown. And that's why we heard the whole
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  Speaker 3: year of perception. You know, it's a perception. And I
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  Speaker 3: use the example of, you know, we used to be
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  Speaker 3: in or we still are in youth leadership and youth discipleship,
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  Speaker 3: and there'd be a case, you know, let's say there's
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  Speaker 3: a case where a child comes in with a black
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  Speaker 3: eye and says that they're they have a family member
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  Speaker 3: at home that beat them. Well, I don't look at
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  Speaker 3: them and say, oh, well, their perception is their reality.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they they're perceiving that home is unsafe. No,
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  Speaker 3: they've been beaten up at home, they're unsafe.
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  Speaker 2: That's the reality.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's I feel like, well a lot of people,
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  Speaker 3: especially businesses and people that are trying to make their
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  Speaker 3: living downtown. That's how they felt that whole year was
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  Speaker 3: when they're getting told that a perception is their reality.
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  Speaker 3: But they're walking around with a black guy. They're walking around,
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  Speaker 3: you know, figuratively, but they're walking around seeing the violence
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  Speaker 3: of downtown, seeing that it is an actual reality. It's
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  Speaker 3: very discouraging for people to or downtown as well, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, our business in the West End, it actually
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  Speaker 3: thrives on people being downtown. I'm not trying to fearmonger
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  Speaker 3: people to not come downtown. We love Red games, we
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  Speaker 3: love Bengals games, we love the rest shops. We love
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  Speaker 3: everything about our downtown and Central Business District and OTR
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  Speaker 3: and the shops. We're trying to add more, but that
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  Speaker 3: can't move forward with the crime the way it is
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  Speaker 3: right now, because we've seen a rise in violent crime,
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  Speaker 3: even in this year after the election, after everything's trying
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  Speaker 3: to be settled, and we're still seeing that uptick. We're
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  Speaker 3: still seeing a year that's poised to even see more
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  Speaker 3: victims this year than we did last year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Corey Bowman, stay right there. We've got
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  Speaker 1: to get to a quick break and we'll continue on
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  Speaker 1: the other side with Corey Bowman on fifty five KRCV
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  Speaker 1: talk station.
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  Speaker 3: But god hour I heard Radio Music Awards Hard.
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  Speaker 1: Cutty talk station, fifty five kr talk station. We continue
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  Speaker 1: our conversation with Corey Bowman and Corey Bowman. And just
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  Speaker 1: to put a finer point on the point you were
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  Speaker 1: making a little while ago about perception versus reality. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's bad enough when you wake up and you turn
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  Speaker 1: the TV on and Cincinnati is making national news because
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  Speaker 1: there's a beatdown that happens in the street after a
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  Speaker 1: big weekend festival, or there was a mass shooting at
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  Speaker 1: a nightclub in the east Side, any number of things.
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  Speaker 1: You know, kids being killed at a local park, things
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  Speaker 1: like that. But it's the constant stream of little things
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  Speaker 1: that don't make even the local news. Sometimes you talk
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  Speaker 1: to I talked to people constantly. I came downtown and
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  Speaker 1: went back to my car, parked my car, and went
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  Speaker 1: back to my car. The window was smashed out. I
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  Speaker 1: got punched in the face coming out of a nightclub.
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  Speaker 1: I got stuck up with a gun in my face
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  Speaker 1: and I had you know, I had one hundred bucks
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  Speaker 1: in my pocket and had to hand that over. That
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff happens on a seemingly daily basis. Anecdotal
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  Speaker 1: evidence like that, But it's those kind of things that
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  Speaker 1: people hear about, people talk about, people tell me about
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  Speaker 1: all the time. It doesn't even make local news anymore.
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  Speaker 1: If someone gets shot and they don't get killed, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's maybe a one line in a thirty second vo
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  Speaker 1: that you see on channel twelve, five, nine or nineteen
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  Speaker 1: and that's the end of that story. So even stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that where someone gets shot, no one gets seriously
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  Speaker 1: injured or it could be they think about that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: someone getting shot that's a serious traumatic thing doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: the news. But it all accrues to this notion that
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  Speaker 1: we just it's not a good idea to go downtown.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: when we have this perception that we don't deal with
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  Speaker 1: prime here in a serious way.
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  Speaker 3: No, you're absolutely right, And I'd go back to the
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  Speaker 3: case of Krishonda Win. Kreshanda Win was a single mom
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  Speaker 3: of five that was walking down West McMicken Street last
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  Speaker 3: year and she was walking home from work. She wasn't
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  Speaker 3: now at two am, and she was actually on West mcnickon.
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  Speaker 3: If you put it in your GPS and you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to get let's say north.
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  Speaker 2: To Butler County from visiting.
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  Speaker 3: Downtown, a lot of times it'll take you down these roads.
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  Speaker 3: If you're coming from OTR or whatever, it'll take you
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  Speaker 3: down these roads because they're central roads. They're not like
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  Speaker 3: back alleyways. And on that road, I saw the caming footage.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't post it. I just posted the audio of
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  Speaker 3: it on my social media.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, she.
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  Speaker 3: Gets gunned down, and I talked with her, her mother,
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  Speaker 3: Ronda Win, and she tells me the condition of the kids.
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  Speaker 3: They're traumatized by it. You've got two I believe it's
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  Speaker 3: two tap football players.
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  Speaker 2: That were affected by it. That that was their mother.
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  Speaker 3: And this situation happened at ten pm ten PM on
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  Speaker 3: a major.
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  Speaker 2: Road in downtown Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 3: And situations like that show that it can happen anywhere
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  Speaker 3: at any time, because we also see shootings throughout the day.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've seen shootings that on Fountain Square and
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  Speaker 3: a restaurant where the guy shoots into a window and
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  Speaker 3: then gets free because it's said it's to be self defense.
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  Speaker 2: Self defense, so everyone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So every one of these stories have a purpose
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  Speaker 3: to just show people it's not just about fear mongering.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about just always reporting the negative. That is
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  Speaker 3: kind of the world we live into where it gets
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  Speaker 3: more clicks, but that shouldn't be The purpose of the
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  Speaker 3: purpose is to expose these stories to show people we've
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  Speaker 3: got to do better in our city.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to be able.
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  Speaker 3: To apply common sense things on public safety and stuff
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  Speaker 3: that we've said since the beginning. We're low on staff,
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  Speaker 3: we have to do more lateral hiring, we have to
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  Speaker 3: back our police, we have to enforce low level crimes
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  Speaker 3: that de escalate situations, and we need to be able
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  Speaker 3: to hold the judges accountable to be able to hold
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  Speaker 3: these criminals because it's a small portion of the population,
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  Speaker 3: a very small portion of the population is conducting the
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  Speaker 3: majority of the crime, and it paints a bad picture
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  Speaker 3: for the community, for the urban.
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  Speaker 2: Community, for the people in the West End. They don't
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  Speaker 2: like it.
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  Speaker 3: It's all done by the same people every time, repeat offenders.
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  Speaker 3: But these have to be held accountable from the judicial
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  Speaker 3: system as well. Twenty twenty six is an important election
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  Speaker 3: year for judges in Hamilton County. We need to focus
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  Speaker 3: on local issues. Yes, there's a governor's race and a
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  Speaker 3: Senate race and people need to get involved there, but
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  Speaker 3: we need to focus on our local judges to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that these criminals are held accountable at that level.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about that when we had when
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  Speaker 1: we had the shooting, the mass shooting, nine people shot
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  Speaker 1: at Riverfront Live a couple of weekends ago, and the
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  Speaker 1: day after that, the mayor comes out and puts out
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  Speaker 1: a statement saying that he condemns the shooting and wants
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  Speaker 1: to do everything possible to make sure the perpetrators are
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  Speaker 1: brought to justice and all that sort of thing. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, why is the mayor making a
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  Speaker 1: statement about this? Why is that news? It's news because
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen all the time. It is something that's
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  Speaker 1: what news is. News gets reported because these are things
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  Speaker 1: that people want to know about, and they are things
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  Speaker 1: that don't happen on a regular basis. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: five you know, houses don't burn down every single day.
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  Speaker 1: So a house burns down, it makes the news. The
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  Speaker 1: mayor comes out makes a statement that makes the news.
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  Speaker 1: As if this was something that we are seeing from
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  Speaker 1: the mayor that we don't see all the time, from
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  Speaker 1: the mayor making a statement like this when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to bringing the perpetrators of crime to justice. And so
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  Speaker 1: I think a sad statement on the state of affairs
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  Speaker 1: that we have in Cincinnati when the mayor makes a
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  Speaker 1: statement to bring people to justice, and that makes news
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  Speaker 1: because so it's so rare to get a statement like
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  Speaker 1: this out of the mayor's office.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Dan, I will tell you this because in the
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  Speaker 3: political world, everybody's just looking to fight everybody, even within
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  Speaker 3: their own party during these primary seasons, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that it is important to give credit where credit is due.
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  Speaker 3: Whether you see the motives behind it as right or wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It might be politically motivated.
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  Speaker 3: But when I first saw that statement, I was very
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  Speaker 3: encouraged because I'm like, hey, at least the mayor is
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  Speaker 3: bringing attention to it.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Whether they're setting themselves up to let the city manager
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  Speaker 3: go or have another scapegoat, I don't know, but there
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  Speaker 3: is change that's needed and it has to happen from
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  Speaker 3: the top down. So if we see I want to
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  Speaker 3: encourage everybody because everybody will say, well, we don't praise that,
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  Speaker 3: don't praise the mayor. He's not doing a good job.
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  Speaker 3: But we've got to start somewhere. So we've got the
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  Speaker 3: next three years to deal with this administration. So what
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  Speaker 3: I would say is that if we're seeing statements where
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  Speaker 3: he's wanting to back the police, if we're wanting to
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  Speaker 3: focus on public safety, if he's actually acknowledging that we
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  Speaker 3: need to fix the potholes, if he's acknowledging that the
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  Speaker 3: judges need to hold the criminals accountable, well hey, I'll
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  Speaker 3: take whatever crub we can get to be able to
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  Speaker 3: move forward as a city, and we still hold the
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  Speaker 3: administration accountable for things that need to be done. But
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  Speaker 3: whenever statements like that happen, don't just move on to
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  Speaker 3: the next thing.
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  Speaker 2: Give credit where credit is due.
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  Speaker 3: And so I would say that I don't by far,
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  Speaker 3: I don't agree with everything that's happening from the mayor's office,
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  Speaker 3: but when I see statements like that, I think that
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  Speaker 3: is at least a small step in the right direction
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  Speaker 3: where we at least have to acknowledge the problems.
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  Speaker 2: In our city.
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  Speaker 1: That excellent response to that question, Corey Bowman, Do you
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  Speaker 1: have time for one more segment. Yeah, absolutely, all right,
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  Speaker 1: stay right there, we'll get to a quick break and
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  Speaker 1: Fifty five KRCV talk station. Just finishing up our conversation
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  Speaker 1: here with Corey Bowman, and Corey Bowman is always appreciate
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  Speaker 1: the time. Always great to have you on. Council Member
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  Speaker 1: Mark Jeffries put out a response to the street takeover.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a proposal that would eliminate street takeovers in
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  Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati, and he wants to report in
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  Speaker 1: the next thirty days, and so good luck with that,
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  Speaker 1: Councilman Jeffries. I'm glad that he is responding to this.
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  Speaker 2: But what I'm a.
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  Speaker 1: Little bit surprised about is that he also showed a
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  Speaker 1: social media posting where they actually the people that were
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  Speaker 1: involved in this said Hey, we're putting out on social
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  Speaker 1: media starting in Columbus, going down to Cincinnati, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little bit surprised that the notion is out there
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  Speaker 1: that Cincinnati is the place to go if you want
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  Speaker 1: to go have a street takeover. And drive your hot
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  Speaker 1: rods and doot donuts and all that other crazy stuff
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  Speaker 1: on the streets Ofinnati. That's my way of thinking, is
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  Speaker 1: an unfortunate perception that is out there amongst those people
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  Speaker 1: who would engage in things like this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the mayor scheduled an interview with Rockstar
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  Speaker 3: Games to try to get the next Grand Theft Auto to.
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  Speaker 2: Be filmed here as well. Yeah, we couldn't get the sun.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see that we could.
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  Speaker 3: Get the Sundance Film Festival. So we're just going to
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  Speaker 3: video game.
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  Speaker 2: We're out now video games. That's great, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, you talk about credit where credit where
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  Speaker 1: credits do. It's a little bit behind the curve. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, look, I think Cincinnati Police did a great
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  Speaker 1: job on on clamping down on this whole notion of
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  Speaker 1: these people doing crazy stuff and endangering people on the
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  Speaker 1: streets of Cincinnati. So again, a little credit, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit behind the curve, but credit where credits due to
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  Speaker 1: to try and see that these things don't continue.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think you're right, you know, we when I
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  Speaker 3: saw the posts and I thought the same saying as
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  Speaker 3: I did when I've seen a couple of the mayor's statements,
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  Speaker 3: because this is a council that has been elected. They're
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  Speaker 3: just starting this this year off in a newly elected year.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: So I told Mayor Aft I have denied the election.
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  Speaker 3: I said that if you win, then we like as
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: far as like if you went throughout the year, if
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  Speaker 3: your administration, then we went as a city. So I'm
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: rooting them on. I'm I'm praying for our leadership. As
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  Speaker 3: much as I might disagree about certain things how it's
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  Speaker 3: been handled, you know, we're in the city and we
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: need to be able to all move forward with this.
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  Speaker 3: So just to get acknowledgement of the issues when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to that from Mark Jefferies and others. I even
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  Speaker 3: had a conversation with a councilwoman, Mika Owens in Columbus.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: We were at an event and I just told her
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  Speaker 3: politics aside, thank you for at least stepping up and
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  Speaker 3: serving our city as a councilwoman. But I said, I'd
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  Speaker 3: love the opportunity to meet with you at our coffee
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  Speaker 3: shop or our church just to discuss these issues, and
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  Speaker 3: she seemed very open to it. Oh good, So there's
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  Speaker 3: ways to move forward, but also at the same time
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  Speaker 3: still keep people's feet to the fire just because it's
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  Speaker 3: not an election year. I believe that last year kind
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  Speaker 3: of showed people that they can have a voice in
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  Speaker 3: all these issues and it really does make change. It
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  Speaker 3: might be slow. Big ships turn on small rudders, so
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: it might be a slow turning, but that's something that
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  Speaker 3: we've always got to keep accountable at city Hall.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, Corey Bowman, you're a better man than
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  Speaker 1: I and I appreciate the time and as always, keep
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  Speaker 1: up the great work and we'll be talking to you
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  Speaker 1: again before too long. But thanks for being here this
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  Speaker 1: morning on fifty five KRC.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to say I'll be at my
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: coffee shop today from eight to three o'clock work in
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  Speaker 3: the bar, so if maybody wants to come by it
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: voice your opinions about anything. I'm approachable right there. So
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: we're in the West End. Come by and see an
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: amazing neighborhood in Cincinnati.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Happy Saint Patrick's Day.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Corey Bowman, all the best, Thank you very much,
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  Speaker 1: and with that we'll get to a break