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Movie Review Rewind, Ep. 63: The Virgin Suicides (1999) · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: Flipping back the calendar to examine notable films throughout cinema history,
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  Speaker 1: the good, the bad, and everything in between. This is
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  Speaker 1: movie Review Rewind on Nashville Movie Dispatch. Welcome back for
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  Speaker 1: another episode of the movie Review Rewind podcast right here
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  Speaker 1: on Nashville Movie Dispatch. I'll be your host for the show.
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  Speaker 1: The e I s at Sobros Network, Big Natural Stony Keeley.
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  Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter at Stony Keeley wherever
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  Speaker 1: of our work covering movies at Nashville Mooviedispatch dot substack
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Joined as usual by my co host for
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  Speaker 1: the movie Review Rewind podcast. He is a board member
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  Speaker 1: of the Music City Film Critics Association. He is a
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  Speaker 1: member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association. He's our resident
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  Speaker 1: film critic here at Nashville Movie Dispatch. Mister big shot himself,
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Vick Brandon, how you doing today, my man?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty pretty, pretty good. I am amazed. Chris Stapleton did
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  Speaker 2: our entrance. That is well done.
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  Speaker 1: It's a new it's a new theme song for movie
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  Speaker 1: Review Rewind. A little inside baseball here. Some of you
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  Speaker 1: guys like if you've been listening to this show long enough,
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  Speaker 1: you know we record these way in advance. The schedule
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  Speaker 1: kind of got a little tricky this year, so this
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  Speaker 1: episode's actually gonna come out in June, and we only
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  Speaker 1: we recorded it two months ahead of time. But I
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  Speaker 1: did get a new MacBook in between there, and all
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  Speaker 1: of the all of the theme songs for our podcast
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  Speaker 1: were lost on the old one. The problem is we've
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  Speaker 1: already recorded episodes for like July and September and August
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  Speaker 1: and October, even January and February of next year that
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  Speaker 1: are all going to have the old theme song, but
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  Speaker 1: this new one just for June, and then for August.
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  Speaker 1: One of the August episodes will have that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think about that. They're literally going to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Could from month to month for the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be like going back and forth between
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  Speaker 1: the old song and the new one. So nice. That's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just a little peak behind me.
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  Speaker 2: And now my next question is going to be are
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  Speaker 2: you forty yet? But now people know it's been too
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  Speaker 2: much in advance, so clearly you're still you're still in
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  Speaker 2: your thirties.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is this is going to be released in
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  Speaker 1: my birthday month when I will turn forty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your birthday month, yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I still I still don't know if I'm gonna do
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  Speaker 1: anything for forty I mean, because my wife is like,
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  Speaker 1: you need to do something big, and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it depends on what it is, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: kind of like that I would like to do like something,
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  Speaker 2: but then I'm like, I don't want to have to
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  Speaker 2: like drive somewhere and pay for parking, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to like fight crowds, and you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have I mean, we don't have that many friends now.
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  Speaker 1: So, dude, I was thinking about it that the other day,
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  Speaker 1: like so, and this is going to be news to you,
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  Speaker 1: but I was thinking the other day my mother has
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  Speaker 1: a big chest that she wants to move from the
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  Speaker 1: garage into her bedroom and it's it's not heavy, but
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  Speaker 1: it's too big for one person to carry. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to ask my seventy six seventy seven year
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  Speaker 1: old mother to try and lift this. And so I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking, like, Okay, well who do I call to
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  Speaker 1: come help me move this? And in my head I
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  Speaker 1: was like if Brandon can't do it. I genuinely who
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Who you know? Who you would call?
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  Speaker 1: Who? My dad? Yep?
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  Speaker 2: Who is son years younger than your mother?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he.
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  Speaker 2: Would do it, and in all fairness, he lives close.
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  Speaker 1: He does, he does. I would not be it is
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  Speaker 1: I almost said an older person. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: ask another older.
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  Speaker 2: Person another Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but he's more handy than
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  Speaker 2: you think.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I believe it. I believe it. But I would
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  Speaker 1: feel guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's because I've got I've got an uncle that's
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  Speaker 1: very handy too, and he's very eager to help as well.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't want to ask him to
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  Speaker 1: come out here and move this. So but that just
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  Speaker 1: goes to.
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  Speaker 2: Show you I think I can move it, just to
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  Speaker 2: so you know, I think I can move it.
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  Speaker 1: But back in the day, it was like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I remember when we moved out of our apartment, we
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  Speaker 1: had like seven people there helping us move. And now
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know that I could.
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  Speaker 2: But also like and and and my wife and I
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  Speaker 2: have talked about this about like whenever we moved from
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  Speaker 2: our house to the other one, Like I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to move all that shit. No, and him. Most of
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  Speaker 2: the people that I know are my age. Anyone should
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  Speaker 2: be doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember when you me and Stephen mccash tried
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  Speaker 1: to move our grille up the front yard around the
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  Speaker 1: house to the back porch and we gave up halfway here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a bone popped out of my arm.
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  Speaker 1: And then I think, like our our other friend Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a bad back. Yeah, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: ask him to help move.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but by the way, younger than us.
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  Speaker 1: Younger than us. But I'm just like going through the.
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  Speaker 2: People that I slim pickings.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, man, we have gotten to the
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  Speaker 1: age where just you know what, shell out the money
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  Speaker 1: for the movers.
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  Speaker 2: We should make our buddy Brett's kids help. Hey, you
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  Speaker 2: think they're strong.
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  Speaker 1: What's the point of having kids exactly help you move?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly? My three year old cuts the grass and why
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  Speaker 2: I hate yard work. But I think about that, like
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  Speaker 2: as I get order him, like, I hope my kid
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  Speaker 2: like kind of like some stuff for me, And then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you get his friends, assuming he'll have I'm hoping you
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  Speaker 2: have some. Then I'm like I told, I told my wife,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, we're in we'll be in good shape.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how many times did my father, when we
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  Speaker 1: were teenagers, have us doing stuff around the house or
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  Speaker 1: at the shop.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but you know what, your dad never really asked.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he really asked me to do that much.
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  Speaker 1: I think you worked for him one day.
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  Speaker 2: I did work for him one day, and Sanding, I
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  Speaker 2: think he.
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  Speaker 1: I think he thought for the rest of his days.
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  Speaker 1: I think he thought that he traumatized you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I just don't. I think I realized it's
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  Speaker 2: that it's too much hard work.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think he thought I'm going to get
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  Speaker 1: a phone call from Mike and Debbie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, you know what's funny. I don't. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a bad experience, but I do. I remember Sanding a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Sand sucks man.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was. It was probably a
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  Speaker 2: car or part of a car.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were working on a car. Then.
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  Speaker 2: I think I don't even know why I did it.
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  Speaker 1: We did it to get money for Kentucky Kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh was it for kid?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I did not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, We're going up there with another another buddy's friend. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we had to we had to come up with
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  Speaker 1: some money and my dad said, I'll pay you guys
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  Speaker 1: such and such an hour.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember going and I think I had met
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  Speaker 2: one of the colorful characters that came around.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly I couldn't. I couldn't tell you who, but
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  Speaker 2: I there was definitely one dude. But but yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know that's what it was for. But I do
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  Speaker 2: remember standing yeah, and then I honestly I felt like
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  Speaker 2: it was one of those like I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: I went home and like your dad had to stay
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  Speaker 2: and like basically do what he had asked me to do.
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  Speaker 1: No I did, Oh, yeah, okay, well there you go.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought we all went home together. Guess not.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I got I got too moour hours pay out
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 2: It's true because I remember thinking, I don't think Keeley's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be like, hey kid, I don't think you did
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  Speaker 2: that good of a job. And I'm like, I probably
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  Speaker 2: won't go back. No, he may not ask me, But
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  Speaker 2: I love that. On the flip side, is he thought
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  Speaker 2: he was gonna get a call from my parents saying
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  Speaker 2: my son he can't my son.
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  Speaker 1: Has he exhausted? I think because he I remember I
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  Speaker 1: remember him telling me like, I shouldn't have. I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have if this was his first day doing this, I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have put him in the in the paint booth
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  Speaker 1: because we were in that paint booth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a metal building inside a metal building in
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  Speaker 1: June in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I do remember it being in the summer
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  Speaker 2: because that's and I remember being Kentucky Kingdom was hot.
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  Speaker 1: He had that couch in the office up front for guests,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember we took a break there and he
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  Speaker 1: came out and saw you, and I think that's when
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  Speaker 1: he was like, don't He's like, I think you're done
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  Speaker 1: for the day. And so I can remember. I can
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  Speaker 1: remember it. I can remember it distinctly like you were.
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  Speaker 1: You were like pale in the face, like it there
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  Speaker 1: was there was.
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  Speaker 2: It was probably a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, I'm gonna have to fight my
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  Speaker 1: dad so that he doesn't make Brandon work anymore.
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  Speaker 2: But then I'm thinking what was I doing?
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  Speaker 1: We were no?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean like like I like, I worked at
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  Speaker 2: a kmart going out of business when I was fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: and then worked at Media plays.
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  Speaker 1: So it must have been this was the summer before that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, this was like literally maybe maybe like a
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  Speaker 1: month before.
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  Speaker 2: CA Okay, okay, because I'm like, I'm kind of surprised,
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  Speaker 2: but I do remember doing it. But then I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: was I not working because I would have been like
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  Speaker 2: I would have been fourteen. Yeah, but okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: do you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what it was? The summer of two thousand and two.
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  Speaker 2: I know we're talking about a movie tonight, but you
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  Speaker 2: know what's kind of crazy to me? And this isn't
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  Speaker 2: like because I'm I'm turning forty as well in September.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot that I don't quite remember anymore.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I've started journaling, like try to every time
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  Speaker 1: I think about something like this, I'll jot it down,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's just a sentence or two. Like remember
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  Speaker 1: when you and Brandon worked at the shop for a
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  Speaker 1: day to get money.
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  Speaker 2: For What's crazy is I remember the standing part and
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  Speaker 2: going there, but I could not tell you why, and
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  Speaker 2: obviously I couldn't tell you when. But there's times where
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  Speaker 2: like and I mean, you know this, but I have.
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  Speaker 2: I've told countless people about stuff like yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I went and saw this, and they're like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: saw it. With you, and I'm like, oh, now, I
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  Speaker 2: could chalk that up to where I see a lot
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  Speaker 2: of movies and I don't quite remember if who was there,
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  Speaker 2: especially towards the end when you know it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of hit or miss on who went anyway? And then
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  Speaker 2: it's just went by myself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But then there's times where like you have been like
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  Speaker 2: you have quoted something to me and Brett has told
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  Speaker 2: me a full fledged story and I don't remember. I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember saying it, I don't remembering up with it,
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  Speaker 2: and it sounds like I was funny, but I I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But then, but you got to start writing these listen.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like for you because you remember, like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, you have a great memory, and I do
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  Speaker 2: and I do too, but only about certain shit. There
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  Speaker 2: are certain things I remember when you and I were
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  Speaker 2: in elementary school. But I but you tell me something
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  Speaker 2: I said on the podcast a year ago, and I'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, I guess it's for me.
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  Speaker 1: It's like recollection of everything from like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: early two, like maybe two thousand and eleven or twelve before.
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  Speaker 2: That, I can were out of college and everything what.
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  Speaker 1: We were doing in August of two thousand and eight
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  Speaker 1: kind of deal. But the last ten years have been
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  Speaker 1: a blur. I just dug up a bunch of stuff
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  Speaker 1: from when I worked at Service Source, and they're like
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  Speaker 1: I had good by notes in there from people that
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  Speaker 1: I don't even remember, and I got cards that I
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  Speaker 1: had to kind of I kind of had to stop
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  Speaker 1: and think for a little bit, like Okay, who is
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  Speaker 1: this pert? Oh yeah that and it's scary.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I haven't lost is that, like I'm not
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook anymore, but when I would get when I
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  Speaker 2: would see old pictures or you would find old picture something,
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  Speaker 2: I can remember those times, like I can remember the
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  Speaker 2: that summer or based off the highlights of my hair
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  Speaker 2: where I was. But but yeah, I mean you you
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  Speaker 2: guys have quoted stuff and I laughed and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: who said that? And You're like you did. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea on some of it. But I remember,
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  Speaker 2: like getting pissed at people when I was in high school.
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  Speaker 2: I remember some funny stuff from people that we that
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  Speaker 2: we used to hang out with, like I I can
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  Speaker 2: I can get that and Eve when we talk about
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  Speaker 2: working with your dad, but I had that's crazy that
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  Speaker 2: it was before that time, but I probably, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I must have been fit, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember going to Kentucky Kingdom because we did
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  Speaker 2: the water part too. And you know what I remember
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  Speaker 2: because there was about six of us.
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  Speaker 1: Right, No, that was no, you're thinking of it, you're
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  Speaker 1: thinking of King's Island.
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  Speaker 2: There were four of us.
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  Speaker 1: No, there were five of us total. It was me, you,
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  Speaker 1: our buddy Mark, our buddy Mark's dad that drove us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, No, that's not the one I remember.
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  Speaker 1: You You don't remember Mark's dad telling us as teenage
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  Speaker 1: boys getting the green light for this felt like we
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  Speaker 1: were we had become men. But he convinced us when
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  Speaker 1: we drove past a woman driving he said, y'all ought
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  Speaker 1: to get her of trying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I remember that. And I want to say
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  Speaker 2: I remember Mark's and father. I do, Anthony, I do remember,
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  Speaker 2: and he was he was a cool guy, just like
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  Speaker 2: I remember a buddy of ours father who was going
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  Speaker 2: to take us to a movie, and he didn't want
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  Speaker 2: us to go see that movie, so we just didn't go.
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  Speaker 1: I heard last week.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time, but yeah, I remember it
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  Speaker 2: being kind of awkward that we just were at his
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  Speaker 2: house and didn't find to take us. But I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: of King's Island. Did they have a water thing? I
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  Speaker 2: just remember us guys, And I know this sounds silly now,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean we also were laughing about it then,
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  Speaker 2: but like we all had to ask for help to
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: get sunscreen on our backs. And I remember I think
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  Speaker 2: it was Zach who I like, I and I and
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  Speaker 2: of course I made it weird too, but I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking that was Kentucky Kingdom. But you know what, back then,
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky Kingdom was a legit theme park. Though yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they had a water theme. Anyway, we.
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  Speaker 1: Do have a movie to Sorry, sorry, well just well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, We'll put a warning up there, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we got carried away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just amazed. Fifteen minutes into the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about age, and I don't give a shit
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  Speaker 2: about age, But then I think about the things that
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  Speaker 2: I remember, and then the things that people tell me,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, okay, Like I think I would
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  Speaker 2: be kind of surprised by some stuff that other people remember,
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  Speaker 2: and Brett's a good example.
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  Speaker 1: I think of that sometimes too, like how do people
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  Speaker 1: in my past remember me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Because there's there's always like that story about oh the
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  Speaker 1: little girl that shipped in the middle of the gym
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  Speaker 1: floor in Gladeville Elementary.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I still remember you hitting that one girl
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  Speaker 2: with your sock. Like I'm telling you, there's things that
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  Speaker 2: I could like this yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: What do they remember about me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if they.
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  Speaker 1: Remember me at all, you know, it's kind of kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird.
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  Speaker 2: I do think there's a time where I'm sure I
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  Speaker 2: offended people and they quit being friends. I'm yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And there's things in high school where I know I
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  Speaker 2: said stuff that I'm sure it wasn't great. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't a bully, but I but it was very
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was.
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  Speaker 1: Well you would say henah shit and never tell anybody
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  Speaker 1: you were just correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was kind. That was the joke was that
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  Speaker 2: I said it and then I wanted people to believe it,
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  Speaker 2: just like I told people my dad was the Undertaker
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  Speaker 2: and I never.
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  Speaker 1: And that he played slamball and that he played slam
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  Speaker 1: told people he played slam.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Because I did watch that and it was pretty awesome. Well,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: this has been a fun memory. Let's make this a
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: separate podcast.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I should just stop recording and we'll start over.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: The Virgin Suicides nineteen ninety nine's directorial debut from Sophia Coppola,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: feature feature.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I was looking as well,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: and she she dabbled. But first feature film for Sophia Coppla.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Who is the daughter? I think she's a daughter of
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: for daughter, I don't know if she's a niece.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, technically got its run in the States in two thousand,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: but oh really it it was a darling at can
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: in nineteen.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, can I knew it did some film festival stuff.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it had that run. Released in May of nineteen
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: ninety nine, and if you need a refresher, The Virgin
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Suicides follows the lives of five adolescent sisters in an
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: upper middle class suburb of Detroit during nineteen seventy five.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: The events that unfold in the story are kind of
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: recollected by a group of grown men who were teenage
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: boys at the time that were in love with the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: girls when they were teenage.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: They were very infatuated with what were they like from
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: thirteen to seventeen?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Thirteen to seventeen girls? Yeah, the girls. We get a
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: young Josh Hartnett in this.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Which I I him, and I immediately turned to my
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: first of all, I don't I've never seen this before.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I have not seen this.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, no, no, no.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if I should say that at the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: top or not. But I have not. I knew about it,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: and I think I've even seen some stuff about it,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: but I forgot James Woods and Kathleen Turner were the parents.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: But I saw Josh Hartnett and it wasn't the first scene,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: but after a few scenes of him, I'm like, I
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: can't get over his hair. And my wife's like, I
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: think my dad had that hairdoo. I'm like, you know
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: who else had that hairdoo? And I googled it and
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: showed her and there's something about Mary when Ben Steelers
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: going to the prom, I showed her a picture. I'm like,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: that's that's their hair. Yeah, that's the hair.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I I kind of thought this was earlier in Kirsten
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Dunn's career than it was, but now I'm she started
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: so young, that she started so young. Yeah, but this
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: this one kind of felt like, I don't know, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it was the start of a pretty active working relationship
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: with Sophia Coppola, Yes, throughout the years, but this was
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: kind of you could watch The Virgin Suicides and see
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that this was going to be a precursor for her career,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Coppola's career. There's a vibe to this movie that kind
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: of stays consistent as a thread through a lot of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Coppola's films.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, this isn't too far off from
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: when Kirsten Dunz is in Spider Man.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: It's not this was ninety nine. Spider Man was two
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: thousand and two, So I mean, yeah, it's pretty' oh
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: crazy beautiful was in there. I totally forgot about it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I forgot about.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That, about that bring it on. As in two thousand,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Margie is in the is before that's in the Jams
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: ninety five okay, yeah, ninety six, and then she's in
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: interview with the vampire. How could oh yeah yeah yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: So and also the girl the youngest daughter who goes first.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cecilia, Cecilia.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I sat there for a solid like five minutes. I'm like,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I've seen her in something and I don't know what
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it is. I had to google it or I had
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: to go on IMDb, but she is young Jenny and
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Forrest Gump Is that right? Yep? And she doesn't look
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that much different now she has gone on and she
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: has been in some stuff and I guess she's.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Anna Rose Hall is the Actresses. Yeah, and I'm like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: zombies Halloween.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it's just crazy to see. And uh,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: what's his name? Tuck? He's one of the boys that's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: infatuated with her.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Tucker something to Jonathan Tucker. Yeah, uh as Tim Wiener, Yeah,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't either. Glynn show in this, yes, Hayden Christensen.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the boys that goes to the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: problem with one of the other sisters.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I told Brady, I'm like, I'm like, do you know
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: who that is? There's nothing like being excited for catching
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: like a young, somewhat Hollywood star and your wife has
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: no idea. I'm like, he does become Darth Vader.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Did you notice who the narrator was, Giovanni Ribisi? Oh?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Is that? And he I'm assuming he was Jonathan Tucker
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: at a later age. It seemed like things were being
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: told from that perspective. I also really appreciate the guy
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: they got to play, the older Josh Hartnett in that movie. Yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. But such a young, talented cast
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and and honestly, the other I mean, obviously the vets
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: are James Woods and Kathleen Turner, but well, Dane DeVito's
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in a scene and like you said, but but yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: there is a thread to Sophia Coppola's work because she
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: her next film would be Lost in Translation.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is one of my one of my favorite films.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: That scene for the first time in recent years.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And I I I really we were talking off Mike
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: about like I remember liking Marie Antoinette, which was another
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Sophia Coppola I would like to revisit that because I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: no if I would feel the same. I just remember thinking, man,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that's a esthetic, like, well, it looks beautiful, but I
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: also feel like it it may have been boring.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's yeah, and so and I haven't
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched it since it was first So I'm
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: curious to revisit it as well, because a lot of
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Kopola stuff I have kind of felt the same way
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I felt about The Virgin Suicides, is that it just
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: one of the hallmarks of her as a filmmaker. To
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: me is that she really allows time and space for
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: moments to breathe. And I appreciate that, and it's one
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of the things that I think is most endearing about
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Loston Translation. But I think there are times when we
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: linger a little bit too long and my emotional investment
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: in the moment starts to wane a little bit, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that's where that's where things can border on a little
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: bit of boring to me.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And honestly, I think you can make
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a case for that for in every film she's done.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Now, rather you're kind of into it and engaged in
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: that or totally you know, disconnected from it. But I
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: think that kind of shows all the way through, even
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: with The Beguiled, which I which I quite enjoyed, but
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's in I think it's in everything that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: she does. So there is, but there's also there's a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: certain kind of style that I like, Yeah, I'm with you,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and it's there in The Virgin Suicides, but it really
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: it really goes to another level starting with loss in Translation.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and to speak to that, it is like
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the way it shot the music, the way it scored,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like it is a total style piece.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: The way they come down in their prom dresses and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: everything there is, there is a look to it. And
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: again this was I think this supposedly took place in
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: late seventies early eighties, like twenty five years so.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I like that. Who I like the sho of the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: house too. The time lapse, oh kind of yeah, it
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: goes from day to night and the lights come on
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and all that. Like, there are some really nice elements
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: of style in this movie that you watch and you say, okay, yeah,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: this is going to be like if she keeps.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: This up, this is going yeah, yeah, the Virgin suicides.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Tonally, I want to I'm curious to get your opinion
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: on because I'm watching the the opening scene and I'm like, oh,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: this is, you know, nice summertime vibes, and it's well.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it opens upcurse. Is it a popsicle or a
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: sucker popsicle? And I think cherry sucker. But either way,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: it's like a.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Man watering the yard. Everything's bright, vibrant and green. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: then the next scene is Cecilia in the bathtub with
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: her wrist and she survives that, but it does kind
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: of you know right off the bat, there's gonna be
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: a weird dynamic here. Yeah, it's something I felt a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: lot throughout the film. It's very stylistic, it's a very
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: quirky film, but some of the humor is a little
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: unsettling that the subject matter is a little intense. Yeah,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: but I think of like the scene when I'm spoiler
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: alert this is a twenty seven year old movie.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: At yeah, point, we should be fine.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I think we're okay, but when Cecilia jumps out of
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the window and lands on the fence and everybody's trying
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to process it, and then the sprinkler goes off. Yeah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and it's this like quiet moment and you're kind of
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: like like, I don't know about you, but I'm but
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: watching what.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Happens at a party. Yeah, the boys just leave. But
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, if they're fourteen or fifteen or so,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you like? There is kind of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: this awkwardness, but then it's like what what do you do?
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And how I mean, how do you expect kids to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: react to that? And specifically these kids, because these kids
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: are the ones who are been spy I mean wanting
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: to get close to them for Yeah, it seems like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: since they've lived across the street. So I think like
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in moment, I noticed the sprinkler thing too, and I'm like, huh.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I see stuff like that, and I'm like, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I like the larger theme here that you know, it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: does kind of play into a teenagers kind of suck,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And it's like she sees the events
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that unfold at this party and she's just like, I
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: don't this is this is top You're going to go
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: do this and it kind of kicks off the cavalcade
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of events that follow. But I'm just curious about that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: kind of vibe because we see it. It pops up
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a couple of other times in the film throughout it
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: where it's like, I mean, even like when she survives
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: as early is when she survives the first suicide attempt
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and she tells the doctor, well, obviously, doctor, you've never
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: been a thirteen year old girl. Yeah, it's like that's funny,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that's a nice little quick But then I'm thinking, you're
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a little girl in the hospital because you cut your wrists. Yeah, So,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: tonally speaking, did this movie work.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: For you or I wasn't as I wasn't that thrown
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: off by it. And I think it's because, like it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it's already kind of starting with the boys perspective of
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: this family that throughout and especially as as it ends,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to still be answered for. Yeah, I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: think there's hints of it, of what's happening, but what
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: actually drove them to that. Yes, I think Sophia leaves
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: it to where like you can blame the mother. Yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: but clearly there's more to it, I feel like. But
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that's but we're seeing for better or for worse, we're
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: seeing what they interpret it as. And again, these are kids. Yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: so I feel like some things you could kind of take, like,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: there's the one thing I felt like, and this I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: felt like was the nice balance because I didn't quite
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: see it coming. But the way that it's first introduced,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: it's almost like it's intentional. Is when it gets towards
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the end and the boys come over and they're talking
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to Kirsen Dunst and she's talking about how hey stay
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: here and wait for my sisters, and she's still flirty
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and everything, even though something horrific has gone on in
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that house and she knows what's about to happen. That
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to me makes it more haunting than if you played
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it up as maybe a straight sad, weepy drama, like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: there's just something about that and then saying, oh, this
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is what was going on. But there's also I don't know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I think I just accepted it early on of the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: kind of tone it's trying to set, but also the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: way it kind of flirts with different genres where it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: almost like a a little bit of a it is
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a coming of age story for sure, but there's also
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: this little bit of like a you know, there's there's
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: a piece of like before or maybe after, but like
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: a she's all that or oh the girl and oh
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: they're all you know, they're starting to get out of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: their shells and oh they're starting to talk to boys
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and oh their mom's letting them do like but then
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it kind of it's turns back again and it you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: it kind of starts with the curfew thing, which I
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: can't really ever really forgive Josh harten Itt for just
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: leaving her on that football field.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: That's a dick that was yeah, but again kind of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a testament to teenagers fucking suck.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just says he loved her, but in
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that moment it wasn't. But then it's the effects of that, Yeah,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: not just like missing curfew, but what he meant to her.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And then it's kind of like, hey, Cecilia was right,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I feel.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Like adding effect to what you just said. There are
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: parts of this film that, the way it shot and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the way it scored, feel like a dream like state. Yes.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: The reason I find that to be so compelling and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: effective is because we have to go back to this
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: story being recalled by the boys as adults, and so
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it allows you to kind of see the girls in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: this sort of mysterious dare I say mythological sense? Oh yeah,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: ethereal even that they saw them at the time. And
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to me, that was where I really I really appreciated
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: this story was that using techniques in filmmaking to hammer
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: home and make you feel like you were seeing the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: girls as the boys did.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I thought was a really it was very fantasy. Yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: and even when Josh Hartnett, who's mister Coole, comes in,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: she here's a scare, that's she fallen head over here,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Like that's not Yeah, that's not how they That's not
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: how these girls are. And part of it, yes, is
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: their upbringing, but they also do know what what they
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: have they're not. They're not you know, they're not stupid
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: for thinking on how boys could perceive them. But there
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: is a there is a very fantasy light thing about it,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: and I think that I I mean, looking back, that's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: that's the opening scene is almost like a sure because
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the boys sitting why they're looking, and then like even
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: as things kind of get darker, you know, they're spying
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: on them and seeing what she's doing especially and everything,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and so that's that is very true. And then but
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: there's also there is obviously there is a sadness to
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the film. But but when she does it seems like
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: when the girls are finally having a good time and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: kind of letting their hair down in a way, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you know they're kind of punished for it, and there's
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: a sadness to it, but there's also a huge I mean,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the whole film is almost I mean rebellious, Yeah, rebellious.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: You mentioned the film being set in the seventies. I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: found this to be another nice artistic touch to the film.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Was Yah, all of the the seventies nostalgia, the music,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the music especially I can't remember the name of the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: actual song, the Magic Man song when Yeah, we meet
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Josh Hartnet's character for the first time was walking through
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the high school.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: That's perfect.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I thought that was really good.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: H do you know what I And I've heard the
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: song before, but I had no idea who's sang it
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: or anything. But it's at their little party when Cecilia
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the last thing Cecilia does, and it's a song called
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the Air that I Breathe, and it's in the background.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: It's like the Air I breathe. Yeah, And I'm like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I told Britt, I'm like, I know that song. I
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: must have heard everything, I would say. I looked it
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: up it and for people that don't know, it was
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: a nineteen seventy four song from The Holly and I
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: have listened to it every day since then and I
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But but the Magic Man when he comes in, like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Sophia Coupla had a at a killer soundtrack.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I just nailed it. Like there's a few.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Other ones that they that come in. There's the Magic
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Magic Man one when he's doing his thing.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: But it's such a good scene, such a great sound yea.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And I like Josh Hartnett in this like because I
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: think he looks so awkward and it's like it's not
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: he's the heart throb.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And waiting from the zipp his balls up in his hands.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: He's the heart throb at the high school. But at
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the same time he plays it with this sort of
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: awkwardness that like he's still a teenager.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just he thinks is cool and when
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you if you get a little older, you realize like, oh,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it's a bit cringe. But you know what's crazy is that?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: And I get it, and like part of it has
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: to be the hair, I'm sure, And who knows when
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: he filmed it, but you know, by the time you're
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: only talking about a couple of years later. He's in
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the faculties in Halloween h two and he looks totally different.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: It was he looks like a child, and then he's
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: kind of at least somewhat of a guy in those
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: other movies, so I'm assuming.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: They had a real gross Burt. There was one scene
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: when he's in the car with the other boys, and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, Okay, he looks like he's like
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: five years older.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: When he's in the passage, like yeah, yeah, yeah, when
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: he tells them to be quiet or something.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Yet yeah, but otherwise I think, Uh, but.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Is it just me? He seems tall but he doesn't
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: even he seems taller in those faculty and like it's
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't But when he's with those
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: other which one of the kids is hating Christiansen who's
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: in the back, which.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't even care.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: It looks even yeah, like they do look like children.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: It's it's when crazy.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: When has the last when is the last time you've said? Boy?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed James Woods in this because I thought
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I thought he you are right there?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I thought.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: He stole a few scenes as kind of like the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: cringey dad, yelash teacher that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Well, he's fresh on my mind because we did any
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: given Sunday.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But James Woods nineteen ninety nine, he was, he was
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: on point.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I loved his uh style, that's a very seventies dad, but.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Another nice touch to add to the atmosphere.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: When he is falling asleep and she says, hey, it's
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: time to go and he just like he's also awkward,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: he just gets up and and then like and honestly,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I like I understood the scene. It felt out of place,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: but I liked it when like it's brought up that
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: his kids haven't been there in two weeks, but he's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: mainly just talking to those plants.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's did you did you check out back? Right?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And I think that kind of is his character of like, well,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: for prom when he's a chaperone, but he meets the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: boys and the girls and and he is sort of
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: ignorant to it all. But I think more importantly it's
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that Kathleen Turner wears the pan like if he could
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: have maybe be maybe been more like he kind of
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: stood up for some of it, yeah, instead of letting
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: like and there's there's attempts.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but because he even tells Josh Harten, it's character like, well,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'll do my best. When he's he's he says, I've
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: got to talk to my wife about yeah, yeah, letting
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: him go to prom. And he says, I'll put in
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: a word, I'll do.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: My best, but yeah, and he does that little laugh
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: like it probably won't get far. Yeah, and it does.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: You know who the boss is?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it does kind of. But and then when
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: like as as the film goes on, it's kind of
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: like he couldn't it Maybe it could have been prevented
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: if if he had a different approach to it, because.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I hadn't considered that perspective before.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Even understanding of what and of what this time in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: their life means. But he can't he's not gonna he's
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: you know, he's not gonna win that war with his wife.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the juxtaposition of him versus the teenagers in this film,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: it's like he really is the more relatable, understanding character.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: He is and and he's not, you know, James Woods
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: typically doesn't play that kind of guy. But boy, did
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: they get a great I mean, I wouldn't believe I
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: wouldn't mess with Kathleen Turner, so.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: No, hell no.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: But but I do think there's at least a a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: piece of at that says if that dynamic was different,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: could could those girls have lived a different life.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: That's that's a really interesting point that I hadn't considered
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: with his with his character because.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: He just you and I think Sophia makes a point
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: as far as the dynamic between the two, but also
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: who kind of overrules who? But also if we could
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: have had more of his approach, maybe maybe they're you know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: because they were in such quarantine, but you could tell
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: that he was, I mean, he was not in command.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Do you do you have a star rating for this
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: where you landed on it?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I mean I I didn't, but I would probably say
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: like a I'd probably say like a three, maybe three
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I gave it a three, three out of five.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I mean a three seems good because I mean, obviously
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: that's a good score. But and that is something where like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: like I said, Sophia Coppla, there's definitely signs of what
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the filmmaker she would be, and going from from this
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: one to lost in translation, I think is rather impressive.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: It is man.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Even though she still has those touches up to up
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: to now. Yeah, but but yeah, I would give it yeah, yeah.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Which I mean still like her, it's the style. But yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I landed on a three out of five. Yeah. After
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I watched the film, I went back to kind of
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: review the plot, and I caught myself thinking, Man, if
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I had just read the plot before watching the movie,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: this sounds like my kind of story. It sounds quite compelling,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: quite interesting, and I think it's those moments that I
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, and I immediately my mind immediately goes to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the theater scene where Josh Hartnett and Kirsten Dunst are
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in the theater flirting and like that is where stuff
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, all right, I get what you're
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: putting down. We can move on to the next thing.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And I think ultimately there were too many moments like
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that for me that I caught myself like checking the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: clock or checking my email.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It does feel a little longer than an hour and a.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Half to be an hour and a half. I'm like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: you know, this thing kind of drags in parts where
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like it should. So I landed on
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: like the plot sounds really compelling. The execution I think
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: left a little to be desired for me, and it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: felt a little long when it really wasn't that long.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, I think it's fair. I think there's
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of you can take away. Yeah, I think
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: it's things you can take away just from style, storytelling performances.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: But yes, I do think there it's not it's not again,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: it's just not the film I thought it would be,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: and it is slow, but there are things in there
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that just are quite compelling. And in this story of
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: just in what is a tragedy, but this coming of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: age and the fact of like what what could have been?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And what if, you know, James Woods was different, or
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: what if Josh Harten it didn't leave her on the field,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: what if she got home. That's the stuff I like,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: because it just thinks like, well, gosh, maybe that's maybe
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: that's the only change and it could have led to
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: just like.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: How close were we to this tragedy not happening?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but then I will say and again I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: when I when it went off, I remember thinking it
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: there's definitely a a haunting part of it because just
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: then just to imagine that they all go in the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: way that they did, and a lot of it really
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: struck me when she when Kristen Dunce is talking to
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: them at the front door.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Why because we know, like now we.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Know what's happening, and she's it's like this, I mean,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: it's unfathomable. But I do again, never read the book,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: but I do feel like there is the only thing
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I would say even and yes, I agree it does
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: feel too long when it's shouldn't and there's things where
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: we kind of linger too much. But I think the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the idea of the boys telling the story and painting
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: their own picture of these girls and then ending up
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: you know what their fate becomes. Yeah, there is something
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: quite fascinating about that. That, and I I think it
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: does make a difference that there was a female director,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: yeah telling that story.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. In twenty fifteen, this ranked number thirty
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: nine on Entertainment Weekly's list of the fifty best high
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: school movies. Wow, I h this is not the first
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: movie I would think of when I think of a
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: high school No, yeah, no, because my mind goes to
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: like Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Ferris Buehler's Day Off,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: super bad stuff like that. But when you think about
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it in those terms of it literally being set among
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: high schoolers, like, yeah, I mean it's hard not to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: count it. But where do you think this will stand
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: for you in that genre of quote unquote high school
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would think of it this way.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't, even though it's justifiable to put it in that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ten things I Hate about you?
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we sort of tend to think of
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: more lighthearted stuff too. Yeah, during this time, right, like
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: even like easy as you want to go with a
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: somewhat more recent one, Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be in my top ten or top twenty
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: We need to we need to put together like a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: subgenre of high school movies that also has like stuff
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like Ladybird in it and like Juno for example.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, Juno's a good one.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: We need like.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Well crafted high school Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Then I can I can get down with this being
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: pretty high on the list. I would think.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I think if you put it in those terms, because
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: now you're now you kind of have to get genre
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: out of your head and just say, Okay, if it
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: took place in high school, then this is what it is.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like you can go from like we
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: talked about easy and fast times at Ridgemont High to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Juno to Friday night Lights.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, mean, girls, you can't go.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Oh well, they people probably that's probably one of the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: first ones they think of. But but yeah, and I
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and I think this has staying power because of who
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: is directed by, and especially and listening against the rest
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: of the cast. But it's Sophia and Kirsten Dunt's first thing,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and they've gone on to do some tremendous work separately
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: and together, And I think for this to be a
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: feature film debut, does it means? It means more. I
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: think that this was her her first outing and she
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: was able to kind of tell the story that like
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: she did.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: This has inspired me to go back and watch Marie Antoinette,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: but to also go back and rewatch The Beguiled as well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: because outside of Lost in Translation, those are the two
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: movies that come to mind right away when I think
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: is Sophia Coppola. But I might like The Virgin Suicides
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: more than both of those if I go back, it's fresh.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I think The Beguile I think might be my favorite
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of hers. And if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: You know she did that movie, the Apple TV movie
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: on the Rocks with Bill Murray, Yeah, and Rashida Jones.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: But I didn't realize she did a very Murray Christmas.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't either. I saw that too, but she did.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I think she did one called Somewhere that has l
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Fanning and Stephen.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never saw I never saw that one. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: can well. I actually just closed out of all my
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: tasks about to Steven. I was about to send us
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: home from my.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I know, and I kind of wanted to watch
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: that again.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Let's see here. It is somewhere.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: He's in Blade Movies.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Stephen Dorf, Yes, so I Stephen dof el Fanning. I
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: feel like Chris Pan of Jackass fan. Michelle Monaghan is
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, hey, I know her. I would. I would. When
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I look back, I think of The Beguile and Marie
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Antoinette and then Lost in Translation is what I think of.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: But I am wondering how like how they hold up?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Now? Yeah, did you watch the Mark Jacobs.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen that yet. No, No, I'm shocked because
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if Bell Court anybody got it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen haven't seen it available at all, but
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I would like to see it. I heard it's just
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: really just a showcase for Mark Jacobs. And they've been
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: friends for like, I don't know how many years. So
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I always and you know her and Kristen
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: dunts are. We're working on something together again. And I
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've got scrapped in but I'm I'm
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: curious because that they'll they'll work again. There's no way.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, any any parting thoughts.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: We I'm happy, I'm happy we did this and I'm
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: happy to actually have sat down and watched it all.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: It was a very interesting experience watching something like this
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: that it's okay to laugh, but it's also awkward and
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: it's also very sad.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just more amazed of kind of the way that
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: it was done and the cast and seeing them back then,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of like, you know, like I have
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: no problem with that casting at all. It really was
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: good works to her favor, and especially as like you
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: said of first film, I mean, I guess if your
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: dad is Francis Sporge, you can probably hit away with
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: this stuff.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Pretty sure. He was a producer.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sure his wine minding or somebody paid for it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's gonna do it for us. And this
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: month's episode, well, actually you're getting two episodes this month
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: because there's there's two Mondays in June. That's gonna do
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it for this episode of movie review rewind on Nashville
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Movie Dispatch. As a reminder, you can check out all
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of our work at Nashvillemoviedispatch dot substack dot com. He's Brandon,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I'm stony and until next time, you stay classy moviegoers.