Latest / The Shivan Show with Shivan Sarna / The Terrain Ten: The 10 Drivers Behind Cancer Risk | Dr. Nasha Winters (Part 2)

Transcript

The Terrain Ten: The 10 Drivers Behind Cancer Risk | Dr. Nasha Winters (Part 2) · The Shivan Show with Shivan Sarna

• 0:00
  Welcome back to part two of my conversation with Dr. Naysha Winters.
• 0:03
  In part one, we heard her
• 0:05
  extraordinary personal story and began unpacking her terrain-based approach to cancer, health,
• 0:11
  and prevention.
• 0:12
  If you missed part one, I really encourage you to go back and listen,
• 0:15
  because it gives you the foundation for everything we're about to explore here.
• 0:18
  In this part, we're getting into the Terrain 10, the major drivers Naysha looks at from epigenetics,
• 0:24
  food, toxins, and the microbiome, to immunity, inflammation, hormones, stress, circadian
• 0:30
  rhythm and the emotional terrain that shapes our health, perhaps the most important component.
• 0:36
  Over my career, I found that there are 10 major drivers of things that make you vulnerable to
• 0:42
  expressing cancer.
• 0:43
  Okay.
• 0:44
  Okay.
• 0:44
  Number one, epigenetics.
• 0:46
  So what we inherited from our
• 0:49
  parents, okay?
• 0:50
  Not the genes that you think of that are immovable, that are like static,
• 0:54
  but the genes that are things you can overcome, you can-
• 0:58
  You can impact.
• 0:58
  Exactly.
• 0:59
  95% of the time, by the way,
• 1:01
  cancer is considered only truly a genetic disease in about 5% of cases.
• 1:05
  Is that like BRCA?
• 1:07
  No, because this is what's so funny.
• 1:08
  People go default to that.
• 1:10
  Yeah.
• 1:10
  But the BRCA gene is actually just a methylation SNP,
• 1:13
  single nucleotide polymorphism.
• 1:14
  So it's actually easy to overcome, to change its expression.
• 1:18
  When someone's like, oh my God, I'm ATM, or I'm CHECK2, or I'm GATA3, or I'm MLH1,
• 1:24
  And all these things are considered high penetrance genes.
• 1:27
  And everyone's like, oh, I've got a genetic condition.
• 1:30
  I've got this familial.
• 1:33
  Guys, that just is information saying you don't repair your DNA very easily.
• 1:38
  So therefore, you need to protect your DNA very assertively.
• 1:41
  That's all.
• 1:42
  And this is where when you avoid the 10 big drivers.
• 1:46
  So knowing that you've got this epigenetic, like this was passed down, so know your vulnerabilities.
• 1:49
  Right.
• 1:50
  Like information is empowerment, right?
• 1:52
  Yeah.
• 1:52
  this is kind of a squeaky wheel.
• 1:54
  I got to do something about it.
• 1:55
  Right.
• 1:55
  Right.
• 1:56
  Number two,
• 1:57
  how are you fueling those cells?
• 1:58
  What are you feeding yourself?
• 2:00
  Right.
• 2:00
  And in the world today,
• 2:01
  like if you've gotten, we're so far from what nature intended and you want to eat as close to
• 2:06
  seasonal, local, regional, and as clean as possible.
• 2:09
  And as close to the actual source,
• 2:11
  like if it comes from a tree, from the ground, from the sky, from a pond, from the ocean, like
• 2:16
  those are what you want to eat.
• 2:17
  But if it starts to like stack up lots of ingredients,
• 2:20
  maybe some that have been more factory farmed or factory processed, probably want to stay away from
• 2:24
  that.
• 2:25
  Okay.
• 2:25
  And then when we consider that we have gone from about five pounds of sugar per person
• 2:29
  per year in the 1850s to, depending on the study, 145 to 175 pounds of sugar per person per year
• 2:36
  today, that's a lot for our body to make sense of.
• 2:41
  We've not adapted to that.
• 2:42
  That's not a shy way.
• 2:44
  right think about that it's like you eat yourself in sugar every year wild right when you just go
• 2:50
  whoa yeah that's a lot and that's the average yeah it's people doing a lot more so there's
• 2:57
  that piece the third is toxins before the 1960s we didn't have hormones and you know that we were
• 3:02
  feeding our animals to plump them up and get them growth you know because that's what you do you
• 3:06
  give hormones to animals to grow them quickly right so we can get them into us quickly yeah
• 3:11
  Which means we're eating their hormones quickly as well.
• 3:12
  Right.
• 3:13
  Right.
• 3:14
  We also didn't have plastics.
• 3:17
  Did you ever see The Graduate?
• 3:18
  I did.
• 3:19
  And they're like, son, invest in plastics.
• 3:22
  That's the future.
• 3:23
  The future is plastics.
• 3:23
  Exactly.
• 3:24
  Jesus, is it ever.
• 3:25
  Is it ever.
• 3:26
  Right?
• 3:26
  So plastics and endocrine disruptors.
• 3:28
  By the late 1960s, we started doing experiments in labs and in small farm scale of this thing
• 3:34
  called Roundup glyphosate.
• 3:36
  And Dr. Don Huber, still emeritus of Purdue, who's still now into his 90s and is still shouting at the rooftop saying biggest humanitarian global toxin ever.
• 3:49
  Ice ages have not done as much damage of what we've done with this.
• 3:52
  It's ubiquitous.
• 3:53
  It's in the rainwater.
• 3:54
  So if you're eating organic, it's not enough.
• 3:56
  It's in everything.
• 3:57
  And so that is one of the things.
• 3:58
  It's one of the biggest changes to your microbiome, biggest changes to your immune system, biggest changes to your neuroendocrine system.
• 4:05
  it's a problem right and so that big guy so when you're looking at you're like wow new ways of
• 4:10
  dealing with food too much sugar too many chemicals so there's those pieces and then we get into the
• 4:15
  microbiome which i alluded to naturopaths and integrated functional medicine doctors we've
• 4:20
  understood the importance of the microbiome forever and it was literally poo-pooed and i
• 4:23
  mean that pun intentionally but we now understand that is actually more related to our how we feel
• 4:30
  like to our mood, as well as how we are immune today.
• 4:34
  So our immune system is integral to our
• 4:36
  microbiome function, the way we absorb our nutrients integral to our microbiome, our
• 4:41
  hormones integral to our microbiome, like how they're functioning, our mental emotional status.
• 4:46
  And it's a two way street.
• 4:47
  It is a two way street.
• 4:49
  So it's like that's you if you kind of work with the lever of microbiome,
• 4:51
  you can do a lot of good, they can change everything.
• 4:53
  Talking about the ultimate terrain.
• 4:55
  The ultimate terrain.
• 4:56
  You can impact your microbiome and like in 20 minutes, it's altered.
• 4:59
  Like it's fast.
• 5:00
  Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 5:01
  And so people are like, oh, which is the, well, guess what?
• 5:03
  If you go vegan
• 5:03
  for three days, you've changed your microbiome.
• 5:05
  If you go raw food for three days, change your
• 5:07
  microbiome.
• 5:07
  Fasting three days, keto three days, carnivore three days.
• 5:11
  It's so sensitive, dynamic
• 5:13
  and sensitive, which also it's like the gift and the curse because it's sensitive to repair,
• 5:17
  but it's also sensitive to damage.
• 5:19
  And so being mindful of that and knowing what impacts that and
• 5:22
  trying to do your best to mitigate what impacts it.
• 5:25
  And then we look at the immune system I alluded
• 5:27
  to, if your immune system can no longer recognize what's out there to then respond and then
• 5:36
  remember, if it should see that again, we get in trouble.
• 5:40
  Autoimmune issues, secondly, cancer issues, secondly, you know, being sensitive to viruses
• 5:45
  and other, you know, other things going around.
• 5:48
  So those, I call those the loss of one of the three R's, that cancer is like the ultimate
• 5:52
  loss of all three of those R's.
• 5:53
  And what are the R's again?
• 5:54
  Recognize.
• 5:56
  Respond.
• 5:57
  And remember, and so it's broken down at that level.
• 6:02
  And then we move into inflammation.
• 6:03
  I mean,
• 6:04
  inflammation is the propagator.
• 6:06
  Inflammation is the fertilizer on cancer cells.
• 6:11
  It is one of the
• 6:12
  biggest drivers of it.
• 6:14
  And then the next one is just oxygenation and circulation.
• 6:17
  So if you are
• 6:18
  poorly oxygenated, so if you never move your body, if you are a shallow breather, if you live at high
• 6:24
  elevation.
• 6:25
  There are places that make you more vulnerable that you deoxygenate.
• 6:29
  There's a lot
• 6:30
  higher rates of things like MS and things like cancer at higher elevations.
• 6:34
  So it's an interesting
• 6:35
  kind of event.
• 6:36
  Well, we desaturate really easily in those places.
• 6:38
  Yeah.
• 6:39
  If you're training at those
• 6:40
  places, you're actually increasing your response.
• 6:42
  But if you're sitting on your ass all the time,
• 6:44
  you're just staying really decompensated.
• 6:46
  And so that's a big one.
• 6:48
  The next one is hormones.
• 6:49
  Now,
• 6:49
  in our world, hormones are talked about everywhere.
• 6:52
  And we keep looking at them that they're a
• 6:54
  deficiency, and yet they're an inefficiency.
• 6:57
  The way we metabolize them is also unique unto us.
• 7:00
  So
• 7:00
  we all have different single nucleotide polymorphisms and how we deal with that.
• 7:04
  We have different microbiomes and how we deal with that.
• 7:06
  We have different, I call them the three S's,
• 7:08
  exposures to sugar, so insulin, stress, cortisol, and sex.
• 7:14
  The other hormonal milieu, so how's
• 7:16
  thyroid interacting, how are adrenals interacting, how's pancreas interacting, in addition to the
• 7:23
  gonadal hormones.
• 7:25
  All of those things interact together.
• 7:26
  They're not in a little silo.
• 7:28
  The last two big ones, and they really probably should be first, is stress and circadian rhythm
• 7:33
  are one because circadian biology is also related to stress biology.
• 7:36
  So they're very
• 7:38
  in bed together.
• 7:39
  And the final one is mental emotional.
• 7:41
  So big and little t's.
• 7:43
  Trauma.
• 7:43
  Trauma.
• 7:44
  Yeah.
• 7:44
  How do you feel about yourself?
• 7:47
  How do you feel your place is in the world?
• 7:50
  When we've done some major research with a group called Liberate, they're like us in a test assess of the emotional milieu.
• 7:59
  And the patterns that we've elucidated in the oncology-specific community is people with cancer feel very unseen and unheard, very I don't belong, very everything and everyone else goes before me.
• 8:12
  I have no voice.
• 8:14
  And if I have a voice, it's not safe.
• 8:16
  and you start to think about maybe your mother or people you love or yourselves,
• 8:21
  what part of that resonates, right?
• 8:23
  What part of that really hits a nerve,
• 8:25
  maybe even pisses you off a little bit with me saying this,
• 8:27
  those are probably the places you want to lean into a little bit more
• 8:30
  because that's asking for your attention.
• 8:31
  That's also like putting the sticker over the check engine light
• 8:35
  if you choose not to dig into that.
• 8:37
  And so even Kelly Turner has become a good friend.
• 8:39
  Dr. Kelly Turner wrote a book called Radical Remission.
• 8:42
  And what she was noting is she's a social worker at a big academic institution for cancer, worked in that area, and was hearing stories of these spontaneous remissions.
• 8:52
  And so she got curious.
• 8:54
  So she started playing in literature and she started seeing documented cases.
• 8:57
  In fact, she'd done 10,000 documented cases of spontaneous remission.
• 9:01
  And she spent the next 10 years tracking all of them down.
• 9:04
  Wow.
• 9:05
  Interviewing them.
• 9:06
  Wow.
• 9:06
  And writing her book.
• 9:08
  Wow.
• 9:08
  And at that time, the book had nine factors.
• 9:10
  Now her updated book has 10 factors, but the follow-up book was Radical Hope.
• 9:15
  But what she said is there's nothing spontaneous about this.
• 9:18
  Oh, that's like an overnight success.
• 9:20
  Like you've been testing butt for 20 years and hi, Sabrina Carpenter, right?
• 9:23
  Yeah.
• 9:24
  But what was fascinating is out of those, we'll say 10 now because that's where we are, only three of them are tangible.
• 9:30
  Oh, wow.
• 9:31
  So meaning diet matters.
• 9:33
  But it's not to even say which diet because when she started digging, she kept thinking someone's going to say, oh, it's the vegan or the raw food or the vegetable.
• 9:39
  She kept looking for it.
• 9:40
  That wasn't the case.
• 9:42
  It was intentional, quality, clean, nourishing, local, regional, real food.
• 9:48
  Wow.
• 9:49
  Right?
• 9:49
  That was like the common denominator.
• 9:51
  And the common denominator was less sugar across the board in whatever environment, right?
• 9:57
  So it wasn't like the Mediterranean diet or the caramel or anything.
• 9:59
  It wasn't.
• 10:00
  And if you were eating a crop, like any change, like you said, the microbiome, how quickly it changes, made an improvement.
• 10:06
  The other tangible supplements.
• 10:08
  She kept thinking, oh, there's going to be the one or two that stand out.
• 10:11
  I almost think that maybe they act like a placebo or a nocebo and that they're saying,
• 10:15
  I'm doing something.
• 10:17
  I am taking control of my situation.
• 10:20
  You know, that there was just something in addition to that they were nourishing and
• 10:24
  nurturing themselves with.
• 10:25
  And the third, exercise.
• 10:27
  By the time her first book came out and the time the second book came out, the research
• 10:30
  exploded in the importance of exercise and prevention and treatment of cancer.
• 10:34
  Wow.
• 10:35
  Very specific.
• 10:35
  Like there's one of my colleagues, Dr. Block in Chicago, patients sit on an exercise bike
• 10:41
  or a row machine with their chemo packs going.
• 10:44
  It potentiates.
• 10:45
  My patients, I would educate them because I didn't have that in the chemo center in
• 10:49
  my town.
• 10:49
  Definitely didn't have that.
• 10:50
  I'd say, you're going to go for a brisk walk or you're going to sit in the sauna before
• 10:53
  you go in.
• 10:53
  You're going to hyper oxygenate that tissue because it will potentiate your therapy, whatever
• 10:57
  it is.
• 10:58
  And potentiate meaning it will maximize.
• 11:00
  Exactly.
• 11:01
  Maximize and optimize.
• 11:02
  I know.
• 11:03
  So it's really crazy.
• 11:03
  And then the other seven, none of them are not tangible.
• 11:06
  Yeah, they were not tangible.
• 11:07
  So it's like, how do you nourish yourself spiritually?
• 11:10
  What kind of support do you have?
• 11:12
  Relationships.
• 11:13
  Are you lonely?
• 11:14
  Exactly.
• 11:15
  Huge, huge prognostics.
• 11:17
  You know, what is your purpose in life?
• 11:19
  What brings you joy and gratitude?
• 11:21
  Those are the things that were pulled the levers even more so than those three tangibles.
• 11:25
  So what people come in the door to me is they want the tangible.
• 11:29
  Like, tell me what to do.
• 11:29
  Tell me what to eat.
• 11:30
  Tell me what supplements to take or off-label drug or what is the best treatment.
• 11:33
  And you're like, great, we can do all that, but that's like rearranging furniture.
• 11:37
  We got to like rip the whole house down, start rebuilding the ground up.
• 11:42
  Because what people like the researchers out there, like the Candice Pertz and the
• 11:46
  Bruce Lipton's and the Robert Eder's and the Deepak Chopra's and the Kelly Turner's
• 11:53
  have suggested, the Lawrence Lashan's book is Cancer as a Turning Point, is that you
• 11:59
  will not change this outcome long-term and successfully without working on those terrain
• 12:06
  factors as well in the mental, emotional spectrum.
• 12:09
  And you're calling that terrain as well,
• 12:10
  which is so interesting.
• 12:11
  Yeah.
• 12:11
  Yeah.
• 12:12
  Okay.
• 12:12
  No, and it makes total sense.
• 12:14
  It's just,
• 12:14
  it's a different terrain.
• 12:15
  Yeah.
• 12:15
  And what's interesting is like you and I,
• 12:17
  if we did our terrain 10 questionnaire, so in my book, I have a very abbreviated version.
• 12:20
  And what's the name of your book?
• 12:21
  Oh, The Metabolic Approach to Cancer.
• 12:24
  And in the very
• 12:24
  beginning is a very abbreviated questionnaire that you can kind of get a sense of maybe what
• 12:28
  your priorities are, but we've created a long form version that is more weighted and scored
• 12:35
  that's free.
• 12:36
  When you talk about how not to get cancer, that's what you work on.
• 12:40
  You go to those blind spots or those knowing spots, you're like, no, I don't want to.
• 12:46
  And if you're already in the cancer process, they're going to help.
• 12:48
  If you're not in the
• 12:49
  cancer process, they're going to help.
• 12:51
  If you're trying to prevent, if you're in survivorship and
• 12:53
  trying to prevent you being a 70% recurrence rate, they're going to help.
• 12:57
  Have you ever been overwhelmed by supplements?
• 13:00
  Where to buy them, making sure they're authentic?
• 13:03
  You want professional grade ones?
• 13:05
  Well, I want to tell you about Dr. Allison Seebecker's Fullscript Dispensary.
• 13:09
  This is a place where you can get those types of high quality supplements that are vetted, no counterfeits here, and there are over 15,000 of them for you to choose from with exclusive pricing.
• 13:20
  She's also created community plans with suggestions for some of the favorite conditions like allergies, SIBO, IBS, UTIs, you know, the whole alphabet.
• 13:29
  So check it out.
• 13:30
  It's in the links below.
• 13:32
  And it is one of the best ways to get your supplements delivered to your door.
• 13:36
  And remember, exclusive pricing.
• 13:39
  Okay, see you there.
• 13:41
  Let's talk about testing, diagnostic testing.
• 13:43
  Like, I don't think I have cancer, but I've been a stress bunny and there's some history in the family.
• 13:50
  Whatever would drive you to this.
• 13:52
  Order some tests that you think people could take to help with their data.
• 13:56
  Let's look at three scenarios.
• 13:57
  Let's look at the prevention.
• 13:59
  Let's look at someone who's like, I at least think, pretty sure I don't have cancer.
• 14:03
  That person.
• 14:04
  And they're just like, I want to know.
• 14:06
  So this is what I did in my private practice for 17 years.
• 14:09
  We used to have in Colorado, they had the nine health fair, which was basically like a really cheap.
• 14:13
  It was like 60 bucks a year, which got you your CBC, basic blood count, your CMP, your
• 14:18
  basic metabolic panel, which looks at your organ function and electrolytes, your vitamin
• 14:23
  D3 at 25 OH, your C-reactive protein, which is a general marker for inflammation.
• 14:29
  They would then at that time do a plain TSH, which is to me very limiting, but it would
• 14:34
  still be a litmus and a lipid profile.
• 14:37
  Those are what I used to get on patients.
• 14:39
  These are super basic.
• 14:41
  This is pretty much what everyone does in an annual physical with their MDs.
• 14:45
  I would have patients booking months in advance knowing, hey, the 9-hour health fair is coming.
• 14:49
  I would set these 20-minute sessions to go over labs.
• 14:52
  And they always thought I had like a magic crystal ball because I started to see patterns
• 14:56
  so quickly.
• 14:56
  And then I would get, I'm like, oh, we need, with this, we might want to run a deeper test
• 15:00
  because this is giving us clues.
• 15:01
  Or let's do a physical exam because this is giving us this example.
• 15:05
  Or let's do this functional test because there's some things alluded here.
• 15:08
  So for instance, a CBC is going to tell me, how's your immune system?
• 15:12
  Is it online?
• 15:13
  Is it offline?
• 15:14
  If you've got way more neutrophils than lymphocytes, you need to look deeper, period.
• 15:19
  Disease or no disease, cancer or no cancer, that is prognostic for all-cause mortality.
• 15:25
  Go on PubMed and read up on that, neutrophil to lymphocyte ratio.
• 15:29
  I like it a one-to-one to two-to-one is my range.
• 15:32
  I'd rather have an equal or two-to-one ratio of neutrophils to lymphocytes.
• 15:36
  When you start to go above more neutrophils to lymphocytes, you start to know that there's
• 15:40
  something happening in the immune system.
• 15:42
  It's like the further that spread gets, so especially when it gets above like five to
• 15:46
  one, when they show and you get to that point, that shows less than six months of life.
• 15:51
  That's like what the research shows, in the cancer space at least, once you have known
• 15:54
  diagnosis.
• 15:55
  Now the other side, like for your mom, for instance, she probably was afflicted.
• 15:59
  More lymphocytes than neutrophils.
• 16:00
  The lymphomas, the leukemias, the myelodysplastic syndromes, they tend to have more lymphocytes
• 16:05
  than neutrophils.
• 16:05
  So I could start seeing patterns there.
• 16:07
  I cannot even tell you with just the CBC itself.
• 16:10
  I actually did a course with ONI, Oncology Nutrition Institute.
• 16:14
  It's a 90-minute course on how just to read your CBC.
• 16:17
  I think it sells for like $12 on her website, Oncology Nutrition Institute.
• 16:22
  People could go and have a listen because this out-of-pocket like $12 test could tell you so much.
• 16:30
  Okay.
• 16:30
  Right?
• 16:31
  So if you've had like chronically low white blood cells under five, like five to seven is like my sweet zone.
• 16:36
  okay you're under five chronically you're already um at risk for cancer shit i don't
• 16:41
  know like we should take a look at it but then if someone's like well cancer is not in the building
• 16:45
  but then we go well then have you been under chronic stress that's a reason why our white
• 16:48
  blood cells are smushed down constantly are you do you have heavy metals that's another reason
• 16:53
  or co-infections so any one of those by themselves could be an instigator to a cancerous process
• 17:00
  so it's like the why like the white blood cells aren't low because you've got a cancer process
• 17:04
  why are they low?
• 17:05
  What made them low?
• 17:07
  And what is your...
• 17:08
  Exactly.
• 17:08
  So things like that,
• 17:09
  CDC tells us so much.
• 17:11
  A CMP is going to really show me a lot of your metabolic health.
• 17:14
  And so
• 17:15
  that's going to show me your organ function, especially liver.
• 17:17
  So if liver is starting to
• 17:19
  encroach the AST, ALT above 20, historically at our little testing, they used to add GGT to this,
• 17:25
  which is a more specific liver marker.
• 17:27
  If it was going above 15, we know that there was something
• 17:30
  brewing with the liver.
• 17:31
  Now that we have nine-year-olds being diagnosed with fatty liver
• 17:34
  disease, this is something we can really head off at the pass because fatty liver, if you have that,
• 17:39
  which so many topes that on the outside, fat on the inside, people are walking around with
• 17:43
  enormous amounts of fat in and around their livers, they don't process anything well.
• 17:48
  Toxins, nourishing things, hormones.
• 17:51
  So what people might be thinking they're hormonal,
• 17:53
  like a lot of women thinking in menopause are having hormonal issues, they actually have fatty
• 17:57
  liver issues that are not now processing your hormones well.
• 18:00
  So then you put in more hormones
• 18:01
  on the outside and you're worse than the fatty liver disease.
• 18:05
  And so it's just nutty pants.
• 18:06
  In fact, when women are having fatty liver, you'll see their cholesterol levels go up.
• 18:10
  And when they
• 18:11
  take exogenous hormones, you'll see their cholesterol levels go up.
• 18:13
  And then they get
• 18:13
  put on statins, which makes more metabolic.
• 18:15
  Do you see the whack-a-mole game we get into?
• 18:18
  We are blaming the wrong things when we need to look deeper.
• 18:22
  It's actually more rare that
• 18:23
  someone's truly deficient in hormones.
• 18:25
  Most people are just not metabolizing appropriately.
• 18:27
  So if you
• 18:27
  can clean up fatty liver, a lot of things start to flow.
• 18:31
  So how do you clean up fatty liver?
• 18:33
  That's going to be more card restriction.
• 18:35
  That is pretty much the only way.
• 18:37
  Get that insulin down and get that body fat composition dialed in, which is usually good
• 18:43
  old Breon JJ for some muscle training.
• 18:47
  And then we look at things like the C-reactive protein.
• 18:49
  By
• 18:49
  the way, a C-reactive protein should always be within normal limits.
• 18:53
  And my normal limits are a
• 18:55
  bit lower.
• 18:55
  So by the way, labs are going to be based on the average of the population.
• 18:58
  We do
• 18:59
  not have a healthy population.
• 19:00
  So you don't want to strive for average.
• 19:02
  You want to strive for
• 19:04
  exactly.
• 19:05
  So a CRP for me should be under one.
• 19:08
  If it's above that, even 1.1, I'm like, what's going
• 19:11
  on?
• 19:11
  Do we have an elevated CRP?
• 19:13
  So there's just something like insidiously brewing.
• 19:15
  But here's
• 19:15
  an interesting thing.
• 19:16
  On the cancer side, if we're talking about that case, if someone comes in with
• 19:19
  an elevated CRP at the time of diagnosis, that's a poor prognosis.
• 19:23
  That means that they are going
• 19:25
  to have multiple drug resistance potential, more side effects, and more progression of disease.
• 19:29
  We go to town on like identifying what is the cause of that high CRP and dealing with it.
• 19:34
  So
• 19:34
  we have a better shot at getting better response to whatever treatment.
• 19:38
  And then when we look at
• 19:39
  things like a TSH, that's just kind of like my very limited scope of like your HPA axis.
• 19:45
  So
• 19:45
  What's funny is when people blame cholesterol, we all immediately go to cardiovascular.
• 19:50
  For me, I look at a ladder.
• 19:52
  The very top of elevated cholesterol issues is actually fatty liver.
• 19:57
  Then it's hormonal issues like have you been taking steroids?
• 20:00
  Have you been taking hormone replacement therapy?
• 20:02
  Have you been on birth control pills?
• 20:04
  That will elevate your cholesterol levels.
• 20:06
  The next thing is do you have dysfunction with your thyroid?
• 20:09
  Hypothyroid causes elevated cholesterol levels.
• 20:11
  Then the next one is what's going on with your kidneys?
• 20:13
  You have some kidney dysfunction.
• 20:14
  wine.
• 20:14
  That causes elevated cholesterol.
• 20:16
  And then I start going, and then after that, then I'm like,
• 20:18
  oh, those are all norm.
• 20:19
  Now what's going on with your cardiovascular health?
• 20:21
  But we jump
• 20:22
  right into cardiovascular goal.
• 20:24
  And it's actually like many stops up from the station.
• 20:28
  Fatty liver is driving cholesterol levels.
• 20:31
  So it's exogenous hormone replacement of any kind, even like steroids for like an allergy or
• 20:36
  a topical steroid for a rash.
• 20:38
  Those will jack up your cholesterol levels for a period of time.
• 20:41
  then thyroid dysfunction then kidney dysfunction then cardiovascular dysfunction holy smackers
• 20:47
  isn't that cool yeah so we can see those patterns especially if you see a slightly elevated ast alt
• 20:53
  along with an elevated cholesterol triglyceride then you definitely it's like i don't even need
• 20:56
  a scan on the liver to know that it's right liver and then the the lipid profile everyone gets so
• 21:01
  caught up on the overall cholesterol number i'm really interested in the triglyceride number
• 21:06
  and still people today which shocks me are still in belief that triglycerides are based on your fat
• 21:10
  intake.
• 21:11
  It is based on your sugar intake that gets stored as fat.
• 21:14
  It's kind of like us blaming
• 21:16
  gene for cancer.
• 21:18
  It's the mitochondrial dysfunction that leads to genetic vulnerability.
• 21:21
  Similar thing here.
• 21:23
  This is not fat causing the problem.
• 21:25
  It's sugar causing the problem that then
• 21:26
  stores as fat.
• 21:27
  I would start to see these patterns pop out and I could be like,
• 21:31
  something's wrong.
• 21:32
  And then it might trigger me to say, hey, let's go a little deeper.
• 21:35
  Let's look at the next layer.
• 21:36
  And this little piano is like 50 bucks.
• 21:39
  Today, it's probably
• 21:40
  cheaper than that because we've got so many people offering these types of tests.
• 21:44
  But it's a starting
• 21:45
  point.
• 21:45
  So I tell people, don't leave your head in the sand.
• 21:48
  This is data we can use.
• 21:50
  This is
• 21:50
  information.
• 21:50
  And then other early diagnostics, I'm excited about Aurea tears.
• 21:55
  You familiar with
• 21:56
  these guys?
• 21:56
  I'm vaguely.
• 21:58
  Go ahead and explain what that is.
• 21:59
  So I actually have a podcast interview
• 22:01
  with Ahmad, who is the, I guess, discoverer, founder.
• 22:04
  Our tissues, our secretions carry a lot
• 22:07
  of information.
• 22:08
  They are like microcosms of a macrocosm and tears carry very, very,
• 22:13
  literally tears.
• 22:14
  I know.
• 22:15
  Right.
• 22:15
  And they literally collect the tears and they can read in this,
• 22:20
  they created a test that is a screening for breast cancer, cookie buns, right?
• 22:25
  Totally non-invasive
• 22:27
  and very reliable.
• 22:29
  In fact, what I'm really excited about is there's many other, like we're
• 22:32
  using breath and secretions and other things to find early diagnostics.
• 22:37
  And I think that's where
• 22:38
  the field is coming to.
• 22:39
  I think in five years, we will have completely quick turnaround early
• 22:44
  diagnostics, tools of empowerment, visual evaluations that will completely replace and
• 22:51
  surpass everything we have on the market today.
• 22:53
  Oh, that's exciting.
• 22:54
  It is exciting.
• 22:55
  There's so much innovation happening in this space.
• 22:58
  This is The Siobhan Show, health, wealth, and wisdom.
• 23:00
  Please subscribe, forward, save, share, do all the things so that you can get this delivered into your feed every week here on Apple.
• 23:09
  Sadie and I say thank you very much.
• 23:12
  What do you do instead of sugar since everyone's addicted to it?
• 23:14
  And we do have a sweet tooth in this country.
• 23:16
  I love it.
• 23:17
  I speak for myself.
• 23:18
  So here's the thing.
• 23:19
  If you're a breastfed baby, your first flavor is sugar.
• 23:24
  And it's so intimately connected with love.
• 23:28
  You can understand why this is such a tough one to pry at heart.
• 23:32
  That is just evil.
• 23:34
  I know.
• 23:34
  It's like, God, what were you thinking?
• 23:36
  But remember, let's think a couple generations back.
• 23:37
  Let's think Little House on the Prairie and beyond.
• 23:40
  You had sugar.
• 23:42
  Sugar was your honey, fruit, root vegetables, right?
• 23:46
  All the things.
• 23:47
  Like all of those things were available.
• 23:49
  Right.
• 23:50
  But they were seasonal.
• 23:52
  And they took a lot of labor.
• 23:56
  A lot of work.
• 23:57
  To get them.
• 23:57
  So you expended a lot of energy to get access to those sweets.
• 24:01
  And then they were small.
• 24:03
  Like you enjoyed that one little tiny tart apple which you found when you were out foraging.
• 24:08
  So we evolved.
• 24:10
  That shifted in the 1850s when we started to be able to mill sugar and flour in a way that we started to put it into everything.
• 24:19
  It took our natural inclination, our natural gravitation towards sweet.
• 24:24
  Because in nature, sweet is often safety, security, better.
• 24:29
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 24:29
  So it represented so much.
• 24:31
  Fast forward today where it's accessible all the time.
• 24:34
  Of course, like it's impacting the same centers of our brain as cocaine.
• 24:38
  It's all dopamine.
• 24:40
  So even the flavor of sweet.
• 24:44
  So even if you're using some of the non-sweet, like the stevias, the monk fruits, the allulose,
• 24:48
  it's still having an impact on that flavor center and that dopamine process.
• 24:53
  Even if it's not spiking the insulin, it's keeping the energy and the craving there.
• 24:57
  I want to go there, right?
• 24:58
  What I recommend is, first of all, if people can give themselves some grace and know that,
• 25:03
  what I start with folks is I really do a deep enough assessment to understand,
• 25:06
  tell me your natural tendencies.
• 25:08
  What do you gravitate towards and why?
• 25:09
  Like when do you want for sweets?
• 25:11
  Do you want it before a meal?
• 25:12
  Do you have to reach it when you're tired?
• 25:14
  Is it celebratory?
• 25:15
  Because what I tell people who are really, really addicted to sweets, they're usually
• 25:20
  lacking sweetness in their life somewhere.
• 25:22
  It's a beautiful way to self-serve.
• 25:24
  So you don't want to just rip that away from someone.
• 25:25
  That could be their only joy.
• 25:27
  Right.
• 25:27
  That could be their only sense of love and safety, security in the world.
• 25:31
  So you want to be cognizant and gentle with that.
• 25:33
  But you can start to kind of taper it.
• 25:36
  So maybe you can start with things like time-restricted eating windows.
• 25:39
  So some interesting compelling studies showed that women who fasted 13 hours a day, they
• 25:44
  didn't even care what they ate.
• 25:46
  Yeah.
• 25:46
  They lowered their risk of recurrence of cancer by 70%.
• 25:51
  So they were basically having windows of time, longer windows of time without hitting glucose
• 25:57
  and insulin response.
• 25:58
  Don't take away my sugar, but I'll eat it in a more narrow window.
• 26:01
  Right.
• 26:01
  That could be a strategy.
• 26:03
  Maybe that's where you start with someone.
• 26:04
  Even that's like, start there and see how you feel.
• 26:06
  The other one is people like starting to play with intermittent fasting or even a little
• 26:10
  bit longer fasting.
• 26:11
  I now facilitate three-day water fasts in my community.
• 26:14
  Wow.
• 26:14
  People from all over the world using things like cinnamon sprinkled on everything.
• 26:18
  Cinnamon enhances the sweetness layer.
• 26:20
  It brings it out.
• 26:21
  Let's say if you're a mocha person.
• 26:23
  So instead of going four pumps in your grande mocha, get one and have them add cinnamon
• 26:27
  to it.
• 26:28
  And it will taste just as sweet.
• 26:30
  And maybe you use heavy cream over skim milk, which also has a natural sweetness in its flavor.
• 26:35
  Not in that it's a sugar content, but how it tastes.
• 26:38
  And so finding things that enhance the flavor of sweetness.
• 26:43
  And then start to find other places.
• 26:45
  Remember, these cravings last about 15 seconds.
• 26:47
  So it might be, okay, what can I do for 15 seconds instead?
• 26:50
  If it comes right back, well, then another 15 seconds and maybe another.
• 26:53
  Maybe it'll take you three or four rounds of those 15 seconds to be like, oh, okay, good.
• 26:57
  People are often, when they're craving the sweet, they're actually often craving protein.
• 27:01
  Okay.
• 27:01
  That's good information.
• 27:03
  It leads to gluconeogenesis.
• 27:05
  So it'll build your own endogenous glucose levels if you're really truly needing some.
• 27:10
  Or it will just be utilized and burned as is.
• 27:13
  But that's something.
• 27:13
  Maybe next time you reach for a hard-boiled egg or a piece of jerky or a couple of nuts or something.
• 27:18
  Are you okay with cheese?
• 27:19
  I am okay.
• 27:20
  That's the thing is we're all individual.
• 27:22
  If you tolerate dairy, well, go for it.
• 27:24
  Okay.
• 27:24
  Yeah.
• 27:25
  And it's funny because I dig the dairy too because the dairy also is high in case of
• 27:29
  morphogens.
• 27:30
  So a little bit of opiates.
• 27:31
  So you get a little bit of a high.
• 27:32
  Okay.
• 27:33
  So it's like I would rather in some ways you replace the sugar with the cheese.
• 27:37
  My girlfriend owns a cheese shop.
• 27:38
  Oh.
• 27:38
  So it's all come together now.
• 27:40
  She's a good friend.
• 27:41
  Yeah.
• 27:41
  She's a good friend.
• 27:41
  And then like things like chocolate.
• 27:42
  So I tell my patients because they're like, give me something.
• 27:44
  So some cool things like 85% darker chocolate.
• 27:49
  you will train your palate that now I actually savor and enjoy 100% dark chocolate bar.
• 27:55
  It took
• 27:55
  my palate a few months to go from an 80 to an 85 to a 90 to a 95 to 100.
• 27:59
  But my palate got accustomed
• 28:03
  that even 100% dark chocolate tastes sweet to me now.
• 28:06
  That's incredible.
• 28:06
  That is fantastic.
• 28:07
  But if someone shoots me a piece of 70%, whichever one calls dark chocolate, it's so
• 28:14
  sweet.
• 28:14
  I can't hardly stand it.
• 28:16
  Sickly sweet.
• 28:16
  It is.
• 28:17
  It's really interesting how you will retrain
• 28:20
  your taste buds.
• 28:20
  They change in about seven days.
• 28:22
  There's ways you can start to play with it and
• 28:23
  everyone's going to be different.
• 28:24
  You want to just find out your why.
• 28:27
  So Dr. Jill Krista,
• 28:29
  who is a friend of mine, who is a mold expert, who I love so much.
• 28:32
  She's brilliant.
• 28:33
  She's brilliant.
• 28:34
  And one time I was talking to her about this mold exposure I had for 25 years.
• 28:37
  Okay.
• 28:38
  So she's,
• 28:38
  I was telling her, I was like, you know, I just don't feel like getting out there.
• 28:41
  I don't feel
• 28:41
  like getting in the sun i don't feel like walking whatever i was just like you were stuck i was stuck
• 28:47
  and she goes oh that's just the mold with its supreme intelligence oh that gives me chills
• 28:52
  right it was just like it's like a parasite or whatever its whole goal is to live she's like oh
• 28:57
  just even override that i was like oh let me put it like that i really can i used to have such bad
• 29:01
  candida in the 80s 90s i would drive by a specific fast food place and i could not go and i was like
• 29:11
  oh, I had so much shame about being so weak.
• 29:14
  I eventually got better.
• 29:16
  And so I could drive by that place
• 29:17
  without even like realizing that it was there,
• 29:19
  but for a period of time.
• 29:21
  And I did feel like there was something else driving it.
• 29:24
  And I used to call it chemicals.
• 29:26
  You know, like I came to understand,
• 29:27
  oh, this is a chemical reaction,
• 29:29
  which is interesting.
• 29:30
  But if I think of candida,
• 29:31
  I'm having a supreme intelligence
• 29:33
  with its made desire to live.
• 29:35
  I'm just wondering,
• 29:36
  do you think cancer has a supreme?
• 29:37
  For sure.
• 29:38
  You can overcome it.
• 29:39
  Like you have your own free will to open up.
• 29:41
  Absolutely.
• 29:42
  And I'm not calling on others.
• 29:43
  You've got resources to support you.
• 29:44
  That's what I'm saying.
• 29:45
  Yeah.
• 29:45
  And I don't think you're going to think your cancer away.
• 29:46
  Yeah.
• 29:47
  Yeah.
• 29:47
  Well, no, that's not a thing.
• 29:49
  I'll read that book.
• 29:50
  I'm really inspired to think differently.
• 29:52
  Exactly.
• 29:52
  But there's a doctor, a group of doctors at Arizona State University who look at cancer
• 29:58
  as an evolutionary divine design.
• 30:01
  Dr. Paul Davies, he's got some interesting thought process around it.
• 30:04
  It's a theory in the cancer field and it's not fully adopted, but I think it weighs in
• 30:08
  in some ways that there is something about this.
• 30:11
  One of my colleagues, Dr. Tina Kazor,
• 30:14
  she's a naturopathic oncology expert, and she's called cancer cells sociopaths.
• 30:19
  Okay.
• 30:20
  Narcissistic sociopaths.
• 30:21
  And they're like, here we go.
• 30:24
  We are going to destroy the host without any regard to the host.
• 30:28
  But what they don't understand is they're destroying themselves too.
• 30:30
  There's something
• 30:31
  that's quite interesting.
• 30:32
  So one of the ways from the anthroposophical medical ideology,
• 30:36
  from some of the
• 30:37
  metaphoric ideology,
• 30:39
  we can retrain
• 30:40
  the signaling pathways
• 30:43
  to remind those cells
• 30:45
  who they really are,
• 30:46
  where they really belong.
• 30:47
  I'm thinking of Dr. Ramani
• 30:49
  on the YouTube channel
• 30:50
  with narcissism
• 30:51
  and how her whole goal
• 30:52
  is to remind you
• 30:53
  who you really are
• 30:53
  and to take your power back.
• 30:56
  Yeah.
• 30:56
  Oh, that's good.
• 30:58
  Yeah.
• 30:58
  That's a good one.
• 30:59
  That was a good one.
• 30:59
  That was a good one.
• 31:00
  Yeah.
• 31:00
  Watch her, Dr. Ramani.
• 31:02
  She's amazing.
• 31:02
  Wow.
• 31:03
  That is sort of the approach
• 31:04
  that I've taken
• 31:05
  because I don't see cancer as the enemy.
• 31:08
  It's an expression.
• 31:09
  It's an expression to me.
• 31:10
  It's a messenger and it's an opportunity.
• 31:13
  Thank you so much.
• 31:14
  Thank you.
• 31:15
  Keep up the incredible work.
• 31:16
  I so appreciate you.
• 31:17
  We all do.
• 31:18
  We really do.
• 31:19
  Thank you.
• 31:20
  So that's a wrap on today's episode.
• 31:22
  Thank you so much for being here.
• 31:23
  It genuinely means everything to me.
• 31:25
  If something in this conversation
• 31:27
  sparks something for you,
• 31:29
  share it with a woman or a guy in your life
• 31:31
  who needs to hear it.
• 31:32
  That's how this show grows.
• 31:33
  That's how we heal the planet together.
• 31:35
  And that's how we really connect.
• 31:37
  For more resources, free tools, and everything we talked about today,
• 31:40
  head over to SiobhanSarna.com.
• 31:42
  That's S-H-I-V-A-N-S-A-R-N-A dot com.
• 31:47
  It's all there waiting for you.
• 31:48
  And until next time, keep asking the questions, keep finding the answers.
• 31:52
  You deserve the full picture and the very best.
• 31:55
  Namaste.