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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles 071726 LIVE - Fathers, Okinawa, and Firsthand Truth: A Friday Conversation with Brent Winters · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Unknown: Love to love to love to love
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  alter its trajectory just a little bit from that.
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  Morning, Friday show. It's, myself, and I believe mister Winters, who it appears may have already showed up,
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  tied his pony
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  to the little hitching post out front. Roger Sails on this end, Brent Winters on the other.
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  It is the, of course, dictated by that, the Friday edition, and it is the seventeenth for Tom D.
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  If you're listening to Tom, it's the July 17,
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  and I would mention that it was my father's birthday today. So
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  happy birthday, dad,
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  belatedly.
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  So I did Paul, you got something to say right here, I think. Correct? Am I following the script right? Am I doing great? Very quick. Our, our website is thematrixdocs.com
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  Unknown: There's bunch of stuff there. There's a bunch of stuff there. If you want information, that's where you park.
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  Yes.
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  Unknown: Acceptively.
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  So good morning. All I've got.
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  Unknown: Thank you, Paul. Morning, Brent. I did see him show up, didn't I? My eyes, I know they're bad, but are they that bad?
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  Unknown: Yeah. No. I'm here. Hey, Brent.
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  Yeah. Did you,
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  how old would your father be today?
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  Unknown: Oh, man. Don't ask me that. He'd be about 100, I think. He he died in his sixties. Both him and my grandfather
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  died of heart attacks. My dad was
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  in the hospital.
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  Went over to Destin,
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  next door to Panama City over there, big military installation to have a cataract
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  replaced. He'd had one replaced,
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  and they won't do two at the same time. He went back for the second one. He had a heart attack on the,
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  on the operating table, unfortunately.
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  Now your father is about to turn a 100 this year. Right? Right? In this time frame?
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  Unknown: No. He did turn a 100 and
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  he turned a 100 and,
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  we had, my brother and I
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  here at home. We had a little celebration in the hometown,
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  And, he wasn't able to attend,
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  but, all the people that had known him and the families came by and said hi. And my
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  brother graciously
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  I didn't realize he'd pay for so much food, but I thought it was just gonna be finger foods. Shucks.
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  It was quite a feed. They had it in a barn there.
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  Yeah.
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  And the barn well, this family well, we all kinda know it. We're all related or sure tell cousins around there, it seems like. But there's one family.
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  They, took a barn, the Richards family. They took their barn and,
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  you know, the old barns that they've got that that look like barns are made of wood, and, there's two styles of them. They're
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  very much a part of the culture in the Midwest,
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  but they don't build them anymore and haven't built them any since really the nineteen sixties.
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  And,
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  but this was a big fancy old barn,
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  and,
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  they made a restaurant out of it back in the early seventies. Girl I went to school with married the fellow that
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  had that, family owned a barn,
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  and we had to get together. They have the hay mouth. That's pretty big. So they have,
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  you can have conventions up there and or you can have them down in the lower part. When I was running for office, we had get togethers there constantly because it was big enough, and they served
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  good food. Well, we had this little get together, and people came by and said hello. And my father
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  it was, of course, over the fourth of July weekend because dad's birthday is
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  on the second, I believe. So
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  and that's when everybody's in town at home. Old people come home on the fourth. Yeah. Yeah. And they have fireworks
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  and
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  parade and all that.
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  And,
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  so it was an opportunity for people to come by.
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  But we made a point of, mentioning,
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  his war service and
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  his my granddad had to sign for him because he was young. And if you were 17, they wouldn't let you in unless your parents
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  or guardian signed for you a permission, and they let him in. And
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  he's, you know, everything was going real fast and he's just a kid. It's hard to imagine, I guess. I I can't.
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  Well, when I was 17, I don't know. I was just I'm I've I felt like a kid till I was well past 50. So I don't know how he felt. I've asked him before. But,
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  anyway, they just run him through training and just fast, fast, fast. And next thing you know, they flung him to the other side, the far side of the globe, and
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  he just things kept getting more intense, and then he was at Okinawa.
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  And so we made mention of that. When my brother and I were little, my older brother,
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  when we go out and it snow, my mother would we were little guys. I mean, we're talking four or five years old or something.
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  And my mother would put these little we call them snow suits on us
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  so we wouldn't get wet, you know?
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  And she'd roll up the sleeves and roll up the legs. And then as I grew older, I found out that those were,
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  Japanese
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  kamikaze flying suits. You know? You mentioned that the other day.
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  Yeah. He'd found. He got them from a cache that they'd found,
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  and there were a thousand
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  about nobody knows exactly how many, but documented
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  about a thousand kamikaze attacks at
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  at Okinawa.
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  And the object was
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  I I've read a lot about Okinawa because our dad was at Okinawa and I he didn't talk much about it. And I so I read a lot about it. And then as he got older, I sat down with him and I wanted every detail. And he he answered my questions and I wrote them all down, the things that at
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  Okinawa and things that I had never read about. He said that that's just, history, I suppose. It's it was the largest battle of World War two and maybe the largest battle in the history of the world. I don't know. Maybe something like twelve thousand Americans died and
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  and they
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  of course, the Japanese want they they knew they couldn't win it,
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  but they were determined to make it as bloody as possible because they didn't they wanted to scare us and against invading the home island.
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  But he described things like they would no. There was, of course, mountains, a volcanic mountain kind of situation, and they
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  the Japs had built
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  brush
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  piles of brush and long rows from the top of the mountains clear down to the beach. Just
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  dozens of these brush piles. And then,
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  in the evening,
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  they light them on a fire
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  so that when the kamikaze planes come over the top of the volcano,
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  they would use those coals and that fire to
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  guide them as they just come barreling down through there like a rocket sled on rails and and try to run into the amphibious
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  craft that were on the beach. And, of course, they hit one, which they did because they were crowded on the beach,
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  then, the craft would be stuck there, and it couldn't go back and bring more men and supplies.
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  And, that was the idea.
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  And then he described these
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  torpedoes.
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  They did the same thing from the tops of the mountains,
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  rails.
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  And and they put torpedoes
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  on rails, and they were gravity
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  moved, and they'd come like rocket sleds on rails. They'd come barreling down Live. The mountains toward the beach. And, of course, then when they got to the beach, those torpedoes had
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  they hit those ships, and and,
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  they would,
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  of course, plug up the beach, I You
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  know, Brent, I've read a lot of
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  Unknown: Guadalcanal
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  diaries and chesty puller stuff and all that when I was younger. I have never heard what you just described in anything I've ever read about World War two in the Pacific Theater.
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  Unknown: Well, that was with me, and I'd never of course, here's the bottom line.
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  And we all know this. The only way you're really gonna get any reliable history of anything
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  is firsthand.
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  The the men that are that saw it with their eyes and and did it with their hands. And,
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  that and that even in that case, you may not get the truth because men are pretty habitual liars and exaggerators and all that, you know. But we know when a guy gets to be a 100 years old now, I don't know. My my father was never bombastic.
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  I I think he doesn't care
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  to promote himself like maybe he would when he was younger and and magnify
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  a story because it was a good story, which men do. They like to tell stories, you know.
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  I never got that feeling. Matter of fact, now that my father's as old as he is, it's he's he becomes stoic
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  and
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  quiet,
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  and he speaks when he's spoken to, that kind of a guy. Yeah. He'll answer questions, but he doesn't seem to volunteer a lot of well, the Bible says that.
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  A wise a wise young man no. It says, wisdom
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  is in the old gray head,
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  and a wise young man will dredge it out. He'll dredge it. That means you gotta work at it. And I Yeah. Worked at it quite a bit, wrote it all down, just sitting in front of him. He he was like, I had this old fella at home, another shirttail cousin. We called him Doc Downey because he was a horse veterinarian.
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  And that was pretty important position in a community that farmed the horses. And he was a World War one veteran,
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  and he got machine gunned in the leg and he laid it out on the
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  on no man's land, for a long time. Then they finally got he was on the on the field for two weeks with this machine gun leg. He had Oh my god.
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  Yeah. And he signed up with Billy Atkins, who was a neighbor down there across from him. Billy Billy didn't get hurt, but he did. And then
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  they finally got him to a French hospital, and and the French doctor said, listen.
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  We got two choices here. We can cut your leg off. It's gangrene.
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  Or
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  we can put maggots in it and let them eat the infection out. Now and they said that he said, well, will they get all the infection? Oh, he said them maggots. They said them maggots will get all the infection. And, you know, Frenchmen are big on maggots and snails and other
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  Unknown: loafers.
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  They
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  Unknown: are think they eat maggots.
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  Unknown: Well, I wouldn't be surprised. You know, they eat snails and,
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  dogs and other things. But at any rate
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  but they were stoop but they're not stupid. I don't want anybody to think I'd say that, but they
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  so
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  Unknown: Depends on depends on who you ask. Go ahead.
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  Unknown: But well, they here's what happened. So they said, but
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  if we put the if we cut your leg off, you'll live. But if we put the maggots in there, they may get all the infection, but you may get a worst infection from the maggots, and that may kill you. So
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  he opted for the maggots. He told me this. I he opted for the maggots. You know, they they raise maggots someplace in California now in a sterile environment. Yeah.
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  I'm sure of that. I've heard them using it in medic medical day things. Oh, yeah. Oh, it works. It works. Well, any rate,
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  Unknown: you know, we have dead people. Imagine excuse me. Let me just inter imagine the first guy that came up with that idea. Yeah. Go ahead. Pretty
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  Unknown: smart. Well,
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  you know, we got chickens here in the
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  Wabash Valley. And finally, it dawned on me, you know, maggots chickens love maggots. I bet they do. Juicy. They have a way yeah. They have a way of processing them in a way that,
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  the the eggs they produce, it doesn't it doesn't affect them. But chickens become
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  very healthy
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  on things like maggots, and,
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  we just let them run loose around. And,
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  the chicken lifespan of a chicken isn't that long, four or five years. And so chickens die, and they die pretty often.
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  And
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  and if they're if they're out in the open field and they're not up around the house or in the barns, I just leave them lay. Because, yeah, they'll they'll get maggots in the summertime, and the other chickens then can feed on them. That's the kind of thing that makes healthy chickens and healthy eggs, and by the way, good for people. I know that sounds odd, but the lord do work in strange and mysterious ways, and that's one of them.
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  Other animals, I wouldn't you know, other animals that are that way, I I don't eat. But, anyway, dad was telling telling stories. Firsthand testimony means firsthand. That otherwise, it's not evidence. What's that, Roger? Oh, I don't think I got it out. You're you're reading my mail here, Brett.
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  Unknown: You read my mind, I think.
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  Down here, and I hate to interrupt you, but don't memory
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  peg your story on your dad there. Over in the jungle,
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  I haven't been over there, but I've seen videos and heard about it. Uh-huh.
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  The Indians over there, they don't have much protein.
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  And so what they eat is there's a big, like, a caterpillar
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  kind of thing,
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  not like a small maggot, but maybe about ten, fifteen times that big,
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  and they grow on the inside of tree bark.
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  And you'll see, I mean, it almost turn turn your stomach, but they love it. They rip that tree bark off and these little kids,
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  three, four years old eating a handful of wiggling maggots, these caterpillars,
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  and they love it, man, but that's about the only protein they can get.
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  Wow. They can't hunt critters in the in the jungle? Well, I guess they do, but I just I don't know the whole story, but I've seen those videos of this cute little old girl eating a mouthful of these squirming things. It's just like you go yucco. You know?
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  But, anyway, that flashed to my mind when you're talking about the maggots. So sorry. I didn't even say anything. It's like you read my mind, Brent. Go ahead and tell us about your dad.
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  Unknown: Oh, what'd you say at the last, Roger? Go ahead and tell us about Oh, your yeah. So
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  well, to a lot of these things, I I
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  learned just growing up because I'd watch the old folks and listen to them talk, but then it was just the way things were. But, boy, you can go to the Internet now and get answers to questions from
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  major agricultural
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  universities,
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  you know, some of these old land grant colleges around the Midwest and, well, out west. Yes. University
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  of
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  of Iowa and Illinois and Texas A and M and Mhmm. Idaho and Washington and
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  and, well, Purdue, big ag school. And they got the stuff right on the Internet. I mean, the latest research, you know. You can look it up. So I'm having fun,
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  doing
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  that. But getting back to Okinawa,
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  the Japs still call it the typhoon of steel.
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  And,
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  never in the history of mankind has there ever been such
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  so much steel and lead in the air. Oh, I can imagine. Every given moment, twenty four hours a day,
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  our April 1 till the June 22.
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  That's, I think, the got the dates right.
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  And all of the experiences
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  and that he had well, I talked about some because it was the July 4. And I I like to quote people have asked me to come on July 4 to churches and whatnot and
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  I have a they'll have a little memorial service and
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  forth, and they'll say, well
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  I started doing this when I was in politics. And they'll say, will you say something? And so then you gotta think of something intelligent to say if you can. And
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  and what and, you know, when you talk,
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  if you can,
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  there is there is, the emotive part of our personalities
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  is just as important as the intellectual part. You can't have one and not have the other. Otherwise, we'd be like that who was that Jewish fellow that played on
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  Star Trek? He was from Doctor Spock?
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  Yeah. Spock. He was totally totally void of emotion. Remember? His mind was like Right. Right.
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  Well, that's not that's not humanness, and that won't get us anywhere. You gotta have everything god gave you.
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  And there is a time to be motive.
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  During the Yes.
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  Yes. And during the July 4,
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  I see that, and
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  the words
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  move us. There's no question about it, and it can get to our emotions.
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  And so
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  I thought, what can I say? My brother, I didn't wanna you know, if you're talk if you're at home, Roger,
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  a man
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  well, Jesus Christ said, a prophet has no
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  no worth,
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  no no
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  honor
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  in his own country.
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  Nobody's gonna listen to him. Mhmm. And when I was back there for dad's thing, all those my relatives and my cousins and my kith and kin, as they say, they didn't take me serious. You know?
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  Unknown: And But it's just old Brent.
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  Unknown: What? It's just old Brent. Yeah. I just told Brent that we know him. We remember stuff about him that he wishes we didn't remember.
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  Unknown: And he's been trying to forget.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But but what they don't think of, I remember stuff about them too. See? Yeah. Right. It's reciprocal.
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  Well, at any rate, I
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  love being around them. And that's that's called your
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  your kith and kin. You know them. They know you. You're not hiding anything. You know you can't.
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  And,
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  anyway so
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  Dave, my older brother, had written up
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  a tribute to my father, and I said, Dave, why don't you let me read that?
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  And he kindly said, okay. I didn't know that he would. I just thought I'd like I wanted to read it. See? I wanted to read it. How far apart are you guys? Eighteen months. Okay. He's 18. Yeah. And he's a
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  he's a a military man. He'd spent his life
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  in the armed forces. And
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  Unknown: He's a West Point guy, isn't he?
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  Unknown: Annapolis.
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  Annapolis. Yeah. Annapolis. So my bad. Yeah. He told me when I saw him this time, said, you know, Brent, I didn't I didn't know what college was. I didn't know what Annapolis was.
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  My parents didn't tell me. Our parents didn't tell me.
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  He said, I don't know how I wound up there except somebody said to me when I was young, I said what I you know, back then, Roger,
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  you remember,
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  a lot of the boy young boys wanted to be astronauts.
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  Unknown: Sure.
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  Unknown: Because, Sputnik went up and Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier, and and my brother was was one of those boys. He was
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  no. We knew and because he I was always just trying to tagging along with him, see.
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  And, he knew who Chuck Yeager was. He knew how fast sound traveled. He was always scientific,
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  and he wanted to he knew all the planets in outer space. And he when he was in high school, he went to science fairy, built a
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  reflector telescope,
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  and he ground you know, a reflector telescope has a giant mirror.
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  Yes. You know? Yes. And great and they have a big opening mouth. And he
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  ground
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  the mirror by hand
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  for that reflector telescope. He used Wow. A big chunk of
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  I don't remember all the detail, but I learned a a lot about all these things because I was hanging with him. Uh-huh. He he was more of my education than I got in school by far.
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  I didn't make good grades, but I learned a lot. I found out when I later
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  well, neither one of us made good grades. And the reason we do didn't make good grades in school was because
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  we were riding a bus for an hour into town and then ride it an hour out. Of course, you ride a school bus that long, you learn a lot of dirty jokes and you learn how to cuss and
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  that's what school buses do for children. Yeah. You're you learn all those things that your parents don't wanna sit you down and tell you about. Yeah. And my granddad, he was a school teacher in the country schools, and he argued against it. And matter of fact, because of busing.
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  This is a different issue than Uh-oh. Race. But
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  my granddad, we had schools
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  every six square miles where I lived. And
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  that was a result this is
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  strange historically, but it's true.
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  That was the result of the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.
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  Holy smokes. Because the Northwest Ordinance you know, there are four documents that congress says are
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  that comprise
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  our fundamental laws of Americans. Uh-huh. First one is the declaration of '76.
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  Yes, sir. The second one is the articles of confederation,
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  which is very much like our constitution of The United States, by the way, but different. It is different. Yes. I understand that. More centralized power.
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  But then the third one is our constitution of The United States,
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  and the fourth one is the Northwest Ordinance of seventeen and eighty seven for the governance of the territories North and West of the Ohio River, which, by the way, were Virginia.
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  Mhmm. We don't learn much about American history anymore, but Virginia
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  the land grant of Virginia, old Virginia, as they say in Virginia,
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  encompassed
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  all of Illinois
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  or oh, well,
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  Virginia, and then what is now West Virginia,
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  Ohio,
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  Indiana,
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  Illinois,
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  Michigan,
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  and parts of Minnesota.
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  That was Virginia.
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  Mhmm. And Virginia,
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  in an act of great magnanimity after that horrible war with Britain,
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  ceded
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  all of her western lands
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  with the exception of what is now West Virginia,
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  all of her western lands to the government of the United States to sell
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  at $5 bigger
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  to pay the war debt. I didn't know that.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  Let me just so interrupt you for a second. Please hold your place for this for the audience, maybe the newer people.
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  Where might I go find those, documents contiguously,
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  listed?
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  Unknown: Oh, well,
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  there's a if you just type
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  in the four organic documents, the congress called them. Mhmm. You just type in,
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  and for somebody would just type in those documents and then type all the right up. Yeah. But there is a there's a few sites that are really good. I rec
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  Unknown: I recognize them, but I can't remember him. Go ahead. I wasn't really going at that angle. I was going at
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  I can go to the law library and open up volume one of the statutes,
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  organic statutes at large, and those are the first four documents in that book. That's a set of organic law books. Do you not think that those things are still law and still apply?
• 26:30
  Unknown: Because you were using what I said as a pedantic
• 26:33
  opportunity
• 26:34
  to teach
• 26:35
  where people could find those. Yes. Yeah. And that that's good. I'm glad you brought that up. And, of course, people go to the Internet. You can probab Roger, I don't know. You can probably,
• 26:46
  go to that volume online, the one you just those volumes you just mentioned. I'm sure you can. Yeah. Yeah. But those are the four organic talk And
• 26:55
  Unknown: and and and the dialectic part, if they're not law, what are they doing in there?
• 27:01
  Unknown: A good point.
• 27:02
  And consistently,
• 27:03
  our courts have denied
• 27:06
  that our declaration of 76
• 27:08
  has an illegal force.
• 27:10
  How do you explain that? I don't know. The ignorant
• 27:13
  judges.
• 27:14
  Or or
• 27:16
  Unknown: it's a and they just don't wanna pay attention to it. Yeah. Women women judges that don't know what a woman is.
• 27:23
  Unknown: Well, if they knew what a woman were was, they might not be a judge. Don't They'd
• 27:28
  be having babies and enjoying life. But No. I don't if they're supposed to. That way. What's that? She'd make a far better mother than a Supreme Court justice is my suspicion.
• 27:38
  Who? The one that's on the Supreme Court now? Jackson. This one that wrote this. Jackson.
• 27:42
  Well, that other one. What's that other name? Oh, there's four of them. They're wackos.
• 27:48
  Unknown: Now, you know, I don't know that we talked about this last week. I don't wanna get you off if you had a point to your story,
• 27:54
  but it is being rumored
• 27:56
  that miss
• 27:58
  oh, who's the white woman of that bunch?
• 28:02
  The the one that Conan Barrett that Trump has even come out and said he's sorry he appointed, by the way. Don't know if you heard that or not. Oh, I I did hear that. Well, Amy, her name, they would call her. Amy. Amy Conan. Yeah. Amy saw
• 28:14
  or was told
• 28:15
  about a billboard in Texas from Mexican
• 28:19
  company that for $4,000,
• 28:21
  you can get your, you know, get your child an American citizen born in there. And they had not considered or knew evidently
• 28:29
  about either this bunch out of Mexico, no telling what other countries.
• 28:34
  But I believe there's 500
• 28:36
  of them in China.
• 28:38
  And all they do is fly over to an island that's in the Guam group. Now you've probably been over there around Guam.
• 28:46
  There's an island over there that's US territory,
• 28:49
  and they fly them over. 500 companies have the child child's United States citizen.
• 28:54
  And, evidently, these judges had not thought that the fact that what they were doing was ill was legalizing
• 29:01
  this type of situation and trade.
• 29:03
  And, evidently, that got her attention. Don't know as what what I'm hearing.
• 29:08
  What she's saying about it? Well, they wanna reconsider the opinion.
• 29:12
  And rather than call it and reconsider
• 29:15
  this one, but but whatever the
• 29:17
  the I can't remember the style of the case. There's another two or three cases on the same topic
• 29:24
  that they could go back and rule on and over overrule
• 29:28
  the one that they just did. So we'll see. It'll go into the next term, no doubt.
• 29:34
  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Now I wanted to ask another political question by any chance.
• 29:40
  Did you see the rather short twenty eight minute, speech by,
• 29:45
  DT,
• 29:46
  mister Trump last night?
• 29:48
  Unknown: No. But I count on you to give me an accurate and intelligent Hold on.
• 29:54
  Unknown: You know, I almost didn't watch it, quite frankly. Guys, you you you know, well, I could just I I could wait twenty minutes and come back and hear him say the opposite. It's what I feel like. You know? It's been flip
• 30:06
  flopping so much, but I did. I went over and watched it in Alex's commentary on it, and most of the whole thing
• 30:14
  was on elections.
• 30:17
  And, boy, he fingered China
• 30:19
  last night big time.
• 30:21
  Oh. Proof they've got a meddling with the twenty twenty election. Other CIA people they've got proof of. Do you know about the burn bags they found?
• 30:31
  Somewhere in the catacombs of the FBI building, they found a, several
• 30:36
  burn bags that were supposed to be burned and weren't from the Obama
• 30:40
  time frame.
• 30:41
  They have a lot of this stuff in it.
• 30:44
  Yeah. So they're talking about that.
• 30:48
  Anyways, mainly, Salvos over China and interesting
• 30:53
  sidebar.
• 30:55
  Neither NBC or ABC carried it.
• 30:59
  Say again? Neither NBC
• 31:02
  nor
• 31:03
  ABC
• 31:04
  carried the talk speech.
• 31:06
  Well, they don't matter anymore anyway. Nobody listens, do they? Well, they matter, in fact, that when they didn't didn't carry it, should say something.
• 31:15
  Yep. They're the ones that want him to talk to go bomb the other side of the damn world into oblivion, but they don't wanna hear this?
• 31:22
  They they, obviously, you know, they've advised to the contents, and they backed out the last minute. I just thought it's interesting.
• 31:32
  So, anyway, that went on last night, and,
• 31:35
  you know, the other things, you're
• 31:38
  Brent being a political animal in his past.
• 31:41
  I don't know that you ever shake it.
• 31:45
  But the situation with mister Graham and them appointing his sister as a sitting senator from South Carolina
• 31:53
  and also
• 31:54
  the,
• 31:55
  the,
• 31:57
  Mitch McConnell situation. Do you know about all that stuff or not? I know that
• 32:02
  Unknown: I thought Mitch died or something. Well, he's we don't know.
• 32:05
  Oh,
• 32:06
  Unknown: he's been he well, in the middle of June, he went to the George Washington
• 32:12
  hospital
• 32:13
  with some kind of seizure or something, and he's been sequestered or his body's been sequestered or they moved the dam
• 32:21
  with a a couple of refrigerators
• 32:23
  sitting there and got him corpse.
• 32:26
  I don't know. They don't know, and here's the problem.
• 32:30
  If they he dies right now and they find out he's dead up until August 3,
• 32:35
  it's an open front. It's an open run for the state, and here is mister,
• 32:41
  mister 4th District there that just got bumped out of the house
• 32:45
  and being very popular in the state, in the statewide run,
• 32:49
  he could probably scoot right into that senate seat in about two shakes of a lamb's tail. And they, of course, don't want that. So they're trying to stall it till August third third, and then they can name an election. But redo it, set up an election. So we don't know this mister McConnell's
• 33:06
  situation.
• 33:07
  There was a picture yesterday of his wife who, by the way, three days after the attack in June, took off to China. Yeah. And I didn't even know she was back, but evidently, she is back or there's an AI picture of them together,
• 33:21
  yesterday,
• 33:22
  and there's all kinds of stuff flying around about this up there as you can imagine.
• 33:28
  And what did, what? The house passed that save act?
• 33:32
  Couple of real pending legislations that Thune and and McConnell here are holding up, and one of them is this. Let's have some ID to vote, folks.
• 33:41
  Along the lines of of of Trump's
• 33:44
  speech last night on voting and elections and straightening that out and how bad it needs to be done and how screwed up it's been in the past and specific examples
• 33:55
  of of of how they've been doing it and and and all that kind of stuff. So it was a very short speech, but to the point.
• 34:04
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 34:05
  You know, it's almost like
• 34:07
  well, what it is like, the government
• 34:09
  is insanity.
• 34:10
  It's madness. It is. And the people in it, they get the longer you're there, the crazier you get. The the more stupid you look Uh-huh. The more insane.
• 34:19
  Uh-huh. And we're out here we're out here living life and trying to be productive in various ways,
• 34:26
  and we're watching them
• 34:27
  act like clown. It's clown town. No question. Baboons.
• 34:31
  And now
• 34:33
  Unknown: They can shift reality,
• 34:36
  and then we have to follow.
• 34:38
  And that's what they try and do is lead you in the populace over the cliff by this illusion that they think is reality because they got those powers, and they can shift it. Now here's
• 34:50
  something that just hit me, Brent. I'm glad we got off on this trail right here.
• 34:55
  I think
• 34:56
  I finally
• 34:58
  understand
• 34:59
  the whole base technique of what these guys are doing and this term resident.
• 35:05
  K?
• 35:06
  Unknown: So if you go to Webster
• 35:08
  Unknown: Wait a minute, Roger. I thought you under you got that untangled a long time ago. Well, I you know, you might have thought so, and I might have thought I did, but I really understand it a level deeper than I ever have before. And that's only recently.
• 35:21
  K? Okay. So let me run this. I've talked to the audience about it here. Let me run this past to you.
• 35:27
  So you go to Webster's dictionary and you go look under residence.
• 35:30
  There's two definitions. There's a geographical one, then the second one's the same definition says, for the receipt of a benefit or the discharge of a duty.
• 35:40
  Uh-huh. So that's the legal one, obviously. I remember when I was still real researching, lived in the Marietta, I went up to the Cobb County Library
• 35:49
  one one day and went and looked because I learned about words and phrases.
• 35:53
  And so I went up there, looked into words and phrases, and the word resident, there was an excerpt of a
• 36:00
  case in there. It said whenever the word resident is used in a legal context,
• 36:06
  its definition is always
• 36:08
  legal.
• 36:09
  Okay.
• 36:10
  So that pinpoints it a little bit more.
• 36:13
  And so it appears this is what they're doing.
• 36:16
  They are using the original definition of residency from ambassadorial
• 36:21
  law where the question is,
• 36:23
  what set of laws do you live under?
• 36:26
  It's not where you live. It's what set of laws do you live under. There's there's your political and legal aspect of it.
• 36:33
  So all these places they put it, like all this IRS stuff where they've got that as the critical tie down,
• 36:40
  because that when you get into you
• 36:42
  can argue and exchange letters all gonna get right down to that eventually.
• 36:47
  You're denying it. There's law says you can deny it, and they're trying to pin it on you, but they're trying to pin the geographical
• 36:55
  definition on you. Oh, you're in the state here. Your kids are in school. You got this. You got that. Well, those are all man made
• 37:03
  ways
• 37:04
  to tie you into that. But the one no matter how hard you contradict it,
• 37:09
  they
• 37:11
  they come back and they're using this one underneath that's ambassadorial.
• 37:15
  That's why they don't ever ask you, are you a resident of Indiana?
• 37:19
  Are you a resident of Illinois or Texas? You never see a state attached to that question.
• 37:24
  It's just, are you a resident? It's always going back to the fourteenth amendment. But I think that's what the crux
• 37:31
  of their whole plan is right there.
• 37:33
  Is what? Is tying you down to this definition
• 37:38
  that you think is geographical
• 37:40
  but is political and legal.
• 37:43
  Unknown: Oh, well, the yeah. You make a point, Roger. The feds
• 37:46
  the geographics don't mean anything to them,
• 37:49
  in the federal mindset,
• 37:51
  but the state's geography
• 37:53
  a geography not no. Not geography. That's really the wrong use of the word. Geography is not about an area of land as much as it is about other things. But we're talking about bounded
• 38:05
  territoriality,
• 38:06
  I guess, maybe is the best way to say it. The feds don't care about that,
• 38:10
  but the states do. And states' rights are founded upon bounded territoriality.
• 38:15
  Unknown: Is that what you're driving at? Well, kinda, but the state never ask you, hey, Brent, are you a resident of Indiana?
• 38:22
  Just ask you if you're a resident.
• 38:24
  Unknown: Yes. But that's because the feds have had so much in the federal mindset has had so much influence that the states,
• 38:31
  don't that's why I say I say we must speak with the right words. And if we don't, we get sucked into we get we get sucked into the the evil empire. Well, God spoke the world in existence. He certainly didn't use the wrong words.
• 38:47
  No. And he insists that we do. See, that's why, Noah Webster,
• 38:52
  know, people talk about, oh, his 1828
• 38:54
  dictionary and all that. Well, Noah Webster,
• 38:57
  there was a reason for that dictionary that's never mentioned. I don't know why. I guess the truth is always buried,
• 39:04
  but this is the truth of the matter about that eighteen twenty eight dictionary.
• 39:08
  He had finished,
• 39:10
  doing his own translation of the Bible
• 39:13
  from the original tongues called the Webster translation. I have a copy of it. You can get a copy. Go to the Internet. Webster translation of the Bible. Well, after he did that, he thought he had that under his belt. He said, in America,
• 39:26
  we need an English
• 39:28
  that is tied to the Bible,
• 39:31
  the concepts
• 39:33
  of the words of the Bible.
• 39:35
  And he thought he had accurately
• 39:37
  translated
• 39:38
  the Bible. He spent years doing it, of course. It takes decades.
• 39:42
  And then he said, I've got these concepts. I know what English words encapsulate
• 39:48
  the Greek and Hebrew concepts.
• 39:51
  I'll I want our English words,
• 39:54
  the definitions of our English words to be the definitions
• 39:57
  that God
• 39:59
  gives these words in his concepts in the Bible.
• 40:03
  And that eighteen twenty eight dictionary,
• 40:05
  the the purpose behind it was to set a standard of definitions for words in English
• 40:13
  that
• 40:14
  comport
• 40:15
  with the Bible's concepts.
• 40:17
  That's the whole idea.
• 40:19
  And what and if there's anybody that has authority
• 40:22
  to define words, it is God.
• 40:25
  And I agree with Daniel Webster about that. I agree strongly.
• 40:29
  And if we understand reality,
• 40:32
  we will do it with words, and we'll express it with words. And we if our words are God's understandings of the concepts those words communicate,
• 40:41
  then we have more of the mindset of our creator.
• 40:45
  That was his idea. Have you
• 40:48
  Unknown: obviously looked at a few of those? Have you seen the one?
• 40:52
  I've taught one time on the web. I've never when I went back there, I don't get the same one, but there was one where at the bottom of the definition of the word, he would write a note. It's like kinda like,
• 41:03
  Schofield.
• 41:05
  He'd write a note at the bottom of the definition. Right? Yeah. And, so I felt the listener called in and said what they're doing is equivocation.
• 41:13
  So I went, looked at the word, and that's one of the places I visited, of course. And at the bottom, there was a note.
• 41:21
  And it said, this trick or technique is often used by non Christians to trick Christians.
• 41:28
  Unknown: Now what are you reading there when you read that? Daniel's
• 41:31
  Unknown: Oh, Webster.
• 41:32
  Eight dictionary
• 41:34
  and the word and definition of equivocation,
• 41:37
  and he gives the definition.
• 41:39
  And at the bottom, he says, this technique is often used by
• 41:43
  to trick Christians.
• 41:45
  Unknown: And throughout woven throughout the warp and the woof of the text of the context of the Bible from cover to cover and lid to lid
• 41:52
  is
• 41:53
  that
• 41:55
  technique
• 41:57
  demonstrated
• 41:58
  everywhere.
• 41:59
  And it starts
• 42:00
  in the first
• 42:02
  narrative
• 42:03
  recorded in the Bible with the
• 42:05
  snake, Hath God said? He said to our grandma Eve,
• 42:09
  Hath God said? That's the King James translation,
• 42:12
  which is really
• 42:14
  the Hebrew, did he really say that or did he mean this?
• 42:19
  That's the idea. And then he says,
• 42:22
  well,
• 42:23
  surely,
• 42:24
  surely
• 42:25
  the the snake says, surely,
• 42:28
  god didn't mean that.
• 42:31
  He meant something else by what he said. Now there's two things here going on. And the Paul the apostle
• 42:37
  references this on three levels in the New Testament in three progressive terms. He he says to Timothy,
• 42:43
  he
• 42:44
  said, while I'm gone, give he was on the Isle Of Crete, by the way. He said, give, give attention
• 42:51
  to reading
• 42:53
  the Bible.
• 42:55
  That's what it says.
• 42:57
  And then he says give attention
• 43:00
  to
• 43:01
  teaching it,
• 43:03
  and that's what it means by what it says.
• 43:06
  And then thirdly, he's he uses a Greek word that means then give examples of how it applies. There are three things with the the law of God.
• 43:15
  All of the Bible is is intended to communicate
• 43:19
  various ways that use in all sorts of genres of literature
• 43:23
  what god wants,
• 43:25
  and what the sovereign wants
• 43:27
  is his law.
• 43:28
  As a fact, whoever you take for your sovereign. Well,
• 43:32
  I've heard men say oh, I'll tell you who I heard say this, Roger. You'll you know him. Or, yeah, you've met him. Pete Peters.
• 43:39
  Unknown: Pete. Have met I did meet him when he was alive, shook his hand, and I'm quite honored to say that. And let me tell you, one of my friends, they got some Roger. Roger. Roger. Roger. Yeah.
• 43:49
  You're cocked and loaded to talk, so you go ahead and talk, but I gotta try to remember and finish that story, but go ahead. Please do. I was just gonna say, my friend in Panama City that helped get, you know, helped me get crap out of the family home. He said, oh, by the way, I got these four or five Eustace Mullins books, and they're all autographed to you.
• 44:07
  Unknown: Uh-huh. So,
• 44:08
  Unknown: oh, you know, like, there's a couple of, you know, the secrets of federal reserve and the rape of justice and Oh, yeah. Couple of those other ones, and I said, well, you go ahead and keep them. Okay?
• 44:17
  But I was quite proud to hear that. Go ahead. I'm back on yes. I met p pastor Peters personally in Nashville, Tennessee
• 44:25
  at, the
• 44:26
  Christian Broadcasting
• 44:28
  Unknown: Convention. Yeah. He always went to that, and he was on shortwave and radio and TV and all that. But, anyway and Pete said this, and I I took issue with I take issue with him. He's gone now. Yes. But I admire him too. He really tried hard to teach the Bible, and I'm trying hard, and I know how hard it is and trying to get points across. But
• 44:49
  Pete said, when
• 44:51
  you read the Bible,
• 44:53
  you need to ask yourself what it means. That's what's important.
• 44:57
  And I said, now dog doggone it, Pete. No. I know that's important. Yes. That's the getting toward the end end of the thing, which is application,
• 45:05
  which is really the most important thing.
• 45:07
  But you gotta get the other two steps right first, and you can never here's what I'm driving at.
• 45:12
  You can never know
• 45:14
  what any writing of legal significance means, and that's what the Bible is, unless you're first asked,
• 45:21
  what does it say?
• 45:22
  I mean, if Jesus Christ
• 45:24
  yeah. Or Jesus Christ said, for example,
• 45:27
  I am the door.
• 45:30
  Does Jesus Christ is he made of wood? Does he have hinges?
• 45:34
  No.
• 45:35
  But if you don't understand what a door is and take it for what it says
• 45:40
  flat literally,
• 45:42
  you'll never understand what he means
• 45:44
  by what he says because all
• 45:47
  languages at every point, every word, every letter are symbols.
• 45:53
  Every letter and every language is a symbol even. And every word is a symbol. And everything that is said is a symbol.
• 46:00
  And so if you don't take it if I tell you, Roger,
• 46:04
  I'm ticked and I'm gonna clean your plow.
• 46:07
  Well, if you don't know what a plow is and you don't know what cleaning a plow is, you really don't know what I'm saying.
• 46:13
  Or I'm gonna clean your clock. Now there's another one.
• 46:17
  Alright. I'm gonna
• 46:19
  well, we have all sorts of symbolic.
• 46:21
  Yeah. Metaphors? Are those is that a metaphor? Well, yeah, one thing is symbolic to another. Metaphors, similes
• 46:29
  Mhmm. And the parables of Jesus Christ.
• 46:32
  Now, Jesus Christ said, well, the kingdom of heaven is like a man that bought a field.
• 46:37
  A kingdom of he didn't say the kingdom of heaven is a field.
• 46:40
  He said it's like a man that bought a field. Well, if you don't know what a field is, you'll never understand
• 46:45
  because all symbols go from the
• 46:48
  what is known
• 46:50
  to the listener
• 46:52
  and taken him then to the unknown
• 46:54
  that he he can know because
• 46:56
  he's analogizing.
• 46:58
  If I say, well,
• 47:01
  Unknown: and well, no. Not Finish that one. Finish that one. Kingdom
• 47:05
  Unknown: of heaven is like a field. Like a field. And a man finds a treasure. He's out in the field. He's plowing,
• 47:12
  and he flips something up that reveals that something's buried there by some somebody buried something that
• 47:19
  is worth a lot of money. Well, he says if he finds that,
• 47:24
  he said, that man
• 47:26
  will go out and do whatever he has to do to buy that field, he won't tell anybody.
• 47:31
  He'll buy the field.
• 47:33
  And,
• 47:34
  yeah, he'll do that because he has found something valuable. He will give everything he has to get something that's worth more.
• 47:42
  We used to say in the mining business, people would be, If you're down digging, got a shovel, and you're digging in a, we call them a coyote hole in the side of a hill, we were in Arizona, Nevada,
• 47:53
  and if you see a gold nugget,
• 47:55
  you'll throw that shovel down. You'll be on your hands and knees.
• 47:59
  You won't be paying attention to rattlesnakes or scorpions or anything, and you'll be using your bare bare fingers to the making them bloody to the bone and scraping away dirt trying to find more.
• 48:11
  Because you found something valuable, you won't tell anybody, and you'll stake a claim on that property.
• 48:17
  Well, that's what Jesus Christ is saying. He's making the point that the kingdom of heaven is something that when you discover it and you see the value of it, you'll you'll forfeit everything to get it. He even went so far as to say
• 48:32
  violent men
• 48:33
  violent men
• 48:35
  enter the kingdom of heaven.
• 48:36
  What does he mean? He means men that want it so bad. The old saying goes,
• 48:42
  if you don't want it bad enough to cheat for it, you don't want it very bad. Okay.
• 48:47
  Well and that's pretty much what Jacob did almost.
• 48:51
  When Jacob
• 48:52
  talked to his brother, his foolish brother, Esau,
• 48:55
  into selling his birthright
• 48:57
  for a a bowl of porridge,
• 49:01
  He didn't cheat him.
• 49:03
  He didn't cheat him. And even at common law, a peppercorn, whatever you wanna trade for, even if it is not
• 49:10
  equal,
• 49:11
  is not even close. You can do it if you want to. If I wanna buy your you wanna sell your your car for a dollar, you can do that. I know people have done things like that. Mhmm.
• 49:21
  But that's what Jacob did. People say,
• 49:24
  he he cheated his brother. He didn't.
• 49:27
  His brother knew what he was doing, and his brother didn't care.
• 49:31
  And so he he purchased
• 49:33
  the kingdom of god and the birthright itself.
• 49:37
  The everything
• 49:38
  that was attended to it for a bowl of porridge. Go ahead. In this case, it's let the seller beware.
• 49:45
  Yes. That that's true. And and that is good law, and that's, from common law contract,
• 49:52
  caveat emptor.
• 49:53
  You enter it at arm's length. You look out for yourself. If the other guy wants to wants to sell it for nothing, that's his business. Now and then that's different, of course, than the and trust law, which figures into the Bible heavily on the other side, but which, you pay it your object and trust law or fiduciary
• 50:13
  contracts says you're supposed to look out for the other fellow more than yourself. Agency
• 50:18
  agency contract,
• 50:20
  trust settlement,
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  things like that. But getting back to
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  getting back to words, it's all a matter of words. And if you want it bad enough, you'll do whatever you have to have to get it. I mean, Jesus Christ even went so far as to say,
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  as to the kingdom of God, mothers
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  and fathers will turn on children, and children will turn on mothers and fathers, and mother mother in laws will turn on daughters, and
• 50:49
  family doesn't matter anymore as strong as family is, and it's strong according to the Bible.
• 50:55
  But when it comes to a choice between family
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  and Jesus the Christ and his kingdom,
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  he doesn't he doesn't give us any room to wiggle. No. You gotta go with Jesus the Christ. They came to him, you know, when the crowd was pressing on him and said,
• 51:11
  your mother and your brothers are out here, they wanna talk to you.
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  This is Mary, the virgin, you know.
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  He said, who is my mother and who are my brothers?
• 51:22
  He said, my mother and brothers are those who trust me. Essentially, that's what he's driving at. And he said, my mother, if she trusts me as savior,
• 51:30
  yeah.
• 51:31
  But the his point was to he was using a little bit of hyperbole to make a point here. He took care of his mother.
• 51:37
  I mean, even when they nailed him to a post naked, he
• 51:40
  he,
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  made
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  provision. He spoke and made provision for his mother.
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  I don't want to demean that at all, but to worship her and say she's a co redemptress
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  is demonic,
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  utterly demonic.
• 51:53
  And a lot of the world in so called Christa Dumb,
• 51:57
  like a D U M B, does that.
• 51:59
  And there are those listening right now that have been in that system all their life. Get out of it while you can. Go ahead, Roger. Well, yes. I agree. Of course, you know the situation. I'm down here. We told some of those stories. I did wanna ask you, however,
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  Unknown: if you happen to see the interview with Jay Dyer, I don't know if you know who he is,
• 52:18
  with, Tucker Carlson earlier this week. Have you happened on that? I started, but I didn't I didn't see much of it. So, yeah, give me the overall gist. Well, I I don't know that I can. I mean, was a comparison of an an analysis
• 52:32
  of orthodoxy
• 52:34
  of the Orthodox Church, and and Jay Dyer's,
• 52:38
  he's super smart. He's very well read. He reads their books. He's very articulate.
• 52:43
  He's been on this search
• 52:45
  for his own spirituality,
• 52:47
  originally Baptist since he was in high school. Yeah. Yeah. And he goes through all that and the differences, and Tucker is
• 52:54
  really curious. He's really digging down into this with the questions he was asking. And quite frankly, a lot of it was over my head, let's say.
• 53:04
  I just did I didn't care to listen intellectually to figure out detail by detail what they're saying. So I just had half listened. You know? I get it. I get it, Roger. And and
• 53:16
  Unknown: we're all this way to varying degrees. Even if people are good teachers, there's some of them I just can't listen to. They irritate me or or I'm just not drawn it's a personality thing. You know? I like Jay Dyer. I've seen him a lot on Alex Jones on Fridays. Okay. Yeah. He's quite a guy, a very well read. I mean
• 53:36
  Unknown: Mhmm. Their books, obscure
• 53:38
  stuff. He's been doing it for decades,
• 53:41
  you know, written a couple of books himself on
• 53:43
  Hollywood, this, that, and the other. But that's what it was about. If
• 53:47
  if that blows your dress up, then, that's a a way as good a interview on as you'll ever hear, I would think.
• 53:54
  Unknown: Well, orthodoxy has gotten real strong and so has Romanism. Romanism now has
• 53:59
  and these are these are Satan's masterpieces
• 54:03
  because they have the Christian label.
• 54:05
  They claim to adhere to some of the fundamentals of Christianity as a matter of logic and theology.
• 54:11
  But they're false, utterly false.
• 54:13
  And they're utterly false for this reason,
• 54:16
  because they say that there's something you can do to make yourself born
• 54:20
  of the spirit.
• 54:22
  And there isn't. Never has been. Not in the Old Testament, not in the New Testament.
• 54:26
  That's God's work a 190%.
• 54:28
  As you get older, you may recognize it as I recognized one time. I said, I recognize figured out who my mother and father were, you know, pretty young. I I find dad, dad, mama, you know, that happens sooner or later. But when you're born of the flesh, you don't know that. And you you've heard me say that. Others have heard me say. This is simple. This is why Jesus Christ used that analogy.
• 54:51
  But you can have and there's a lot of Protestant groups that way too. They've got it all right, except they deny the sovereignty of God and who made them.
• 55:00
  And who gives the new birth? And who's by by whose will are they born? Theirs or God's?
• 55:06
  It says in for in John chapter one, John's the cleanup pitter.
• 55:10
  Know, we got four gospels.
• 55:13
  Three of them knock they get on base. John comes along
• 55:17
  and knocks it out of the park. Uh-huh. So you have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Matthew writes to the Jews, the Jew the Hebrews,
• 55:25
  and he wanted his idea there is is oh, our target audience is to prove
• 55:30
  Unknown: now, Roger, I did you need to say something? Oh, I just had an epiphany, but go on. I'll add it and do it. I'll add We'll take a break.
• 55:38
  Unknown: Oh, I'm afraid you'll forget it. Go ahead.
• 55:40
  Unknown: I was stumbling on looking for something to watch the other night, and this one of these videos is a little looks like a oriental
• 55:48
  or orator
• 55:50
  and is in-depth
• 55:51
  on DNA stuff
• 55:53
  and how what they couldn't have ever even hoped to figure out
• 55:58
  thirty years ago that it's just like all these technological
• 56:02
  revelations
• 56:03
  and improvements are giving them tremendous power.
• 56:06
  And so there's several things I wanna say about that. So,
• 56:12
  he's, dang it. Now I lost my
• 56:14
  Oh. He's talking about oh, no. He's talking about that and pinpointing
• 56:18
  all this. He says, we can't trace.
• 56:20
  I think I mentioned this last time it came up. You can't trace the Jewish
• 56:25
  DNA
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  on the maternal
• 56:28
  side
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  because every time they do, it traces back to about four or five gentile women in Europe.
• 56:35
  Okay? Well, most all of them yeah. Go ahead. But but but he said so we went over on the y line,
• 56:42
  and they started tracing the y line. It's much more defined,
• 56:46
  and he went even to an overview map of the Levant
• 56:50
  and showed the different areas where some of it came from because they're very tribal and the men didn't
• 56:57
  go outside of the tribe to reproduce.
• 57:00
  But he outright
• 57:02
  called them Canaanites.
• 57:03
  He said, these are Canaanites
• 57:05
  and there's no doubt. Okay? And gave all the reasons why I might just I kinda sat up. I went, wow. Okay?
• 57:12
  Now, the other thing,
• 57:14
  you you'll probably want to acquire this book,
• 57:18
  and I think you'll for sure wanna see the interview, Brent.
• 57:21
  Let me look at my clock here. Yeah. We got time.
• 57:25
  On, Greg Hunter's USA watchdog last Wednesday,
• 57:30
  He interviewed
• 57:32
  Dalesh D'Souza Duresh D'Souza. Yeah. He's got a you know about that? He's got a book. Oh, he's got a book coming out. He was promoting it called this the stones cry out or something. And what he's done in that book, he's Christian,
• 57:46
  is go back and prove the Bible.
• 57:49
  And he's the one example that he used on the air. He said there's others, and then there's some he didn't go into, but this one was one he used as an example.
• 57:58
  They have found
• 58:00
  that in the area of modern day Israel,
• 58:04
  that there was reference in the Bible to selling slaves,
• 58:08
  and the price was 20 shekels.
• 58:11
  Mhmm. And so they went back comparable time frame this ability to research
• 58:16
  and found in Egypt a mention of a slave market, and the price of a slave was 20 shekels.
• 58:22
  So in essence, you could say that was a fair market value at the time. Mhmm. Just an example he gave, but you you might wanna listen. The interview is pretty good.
• 58:31
  Unknown: D'Souza is I think he was educated
• 58:34
  at,
• 58:35
  the Harvard of
• 58:38
  well, I I He but well,
• 58:41
  Unknown: he he go ahead. And and Greg Hunter asked him, said, well, you're this is all Christianity stuff. You're an Indian.
• 58:47
  And he said, I come from a line of Christians in India that was founded in the fourteen hundreds when some Christians came over and founded a little sect
• 58:57
  there, and that's my people. So he is originally
• 59:02
  Christian. Anyways, good interview. I think it got by the book looked good.
• 59:06
  Probably some other stuff in there, but he said, inherently,
• 59:09
  just like you said, everything in the bible's true. You can't disprove any of it because they've tried.
• 59:16
  Unknown: Well, yeah, the it's called yeah. That's right, Roger. The doctrine of inerrancy.
• 59:21
  It's an ancient doctrine, and it's clear.
• 59:24
  I quote,
• 59:25
  Harvard professor
• 59:27
  Joel Cadbury,
• 59:29
  who was a Quaker,
• 59:30
  and I believe he was a communist. A lot of Quakers turned communist because they don't the Bible doesn't mean that much to them, and it didn't mean anything to Cadbury, but he was professor
• 59:39
  at Harvard Seminary.
• 59:40
  Unknown: Okay. Oh, we got an hour up. We got well, we got a little top of the hour thingy here. You can go dingle your dangle in the little room if you need to and all that. Paul's gonna talk to us here in just a short short and we're gonna hear some classical music and we'll be back with Cadbury.
• 59:58
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  Unknown: Alright. Brent, before you launch off on Cadbury, this came to me a minute ago,
• 1:01:53
  and I wanted to make sure at least you knew about it. Do you, know about Paul, our mutual friend, Paul English's latest endeavor?
• 1:02:01
  No.
• 1:02:02
  Well,
• 1:02:03
  he's had set up several of these networks along the way, and he stumbled into an idea.
• 1:02:08
  And what Paul, are you right there? Why don't you tell Brent about it? You probably know more about it than I do.
• 1:02:15
  Are you are there are Talking about what? Food for latest?
• 1:02:21
  Unknown: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 1:02:25
  Food for Thought Radio,
• 1:02:28
  fftradio.com,
• 1:02:31
  I believe it is.
• 1:02:33
  What it is, is it's a program that
• 1:02:36
  revolves around all things food and farming and
• 1:02:41
  political
• 1:02:42
  effects on food and
• 1:02:45
  growing things and stuff like that.
• 1:02:48
  It's a new project and
• 1:02:52
  there's Paul is picking up a bunch of different,
• 1:02:56
  different hosts.
• 1:02:57
  It's live shows.
• 1:03:00
  It's, hosted in The UK
• 1:03:04
  or over in England
• 1:03:06
  and,
• 1:03:08
  they're still looking for,
• 1:03:11
  somebody to take over the,
• 1:03:13
  broadcast schedule
• 1:03:15
  during the day here
• 1:03:18
  because
• 1:03:20
  right now they're just running from,
• 1:03:23
  sometime in the morning to midnight,
• 1:03:26
  UK time. UK. Mhmm.
• 1:03:28
  Unknown: Ain't that a good soft spot food for thought right now with all of this impending,
• 1:03:34
  effects
• 1:03:35
  all over the place, like no fertilizer
• 1:03:38
  and billions of people with no way to grow food and things like that?
• 1:03:43
  I just thought he may have really hit a home run here. So good on you.
• 1:03:47
  Unknown: You knew about it, Brent. No. But he hasn't got isn't got got It's in the works. It's in the works. Oh, well, now I'm I'm excited about what he's doing. I'm glad you told me. Man, wanted to make sure you know. Now back to mister Cadbury, if we could, please, on the inerrancy of the bibble.
• 1:04:03
  The bibble?
• 1:04:05
  Henry Joel Cadbury.
• 1:04:06
  It's it's just odd. People are odd. I, of course, I'm probably odd, and people are I don't know it. You know? But Henry Joel Cadbury was a Quaker,
• 1:04:15
  but he was an agnostic Quaker. That's the way he styled himself.
• 1:04:19
  Of course, I'm saying, well, why why call yourself some sect of Christian when you don't you're not even sure that god exists?
• 1:04:27
  Just odd.
• 1:04:28
  Yes. But he but there's no question. The man knew his Bible. That's
• 1:04:32
  Unknown: what you call covering all your bases. Go ahead. Yes.
• 1:04:36
  Unknown: It's inconsistent stupidity,
• 1:04:38
  but he knew the Bible because he's a professor of the Bible. I'd put him in that category. Paul the apostle says that there are a lot of
• 1:04:45
  people with punky professors and dinky doctors, and they know more than
• 1:04:51
  than any man ought to be allowed to be not to know. And they're real smart, and they got facts packed into their head,
• 1:04:58
  but they never come to a knowledge of the truth. That's the way but Cadbury wasn't stupid. He did say this.
• 1:05:05
  He didn't believe it. He didn't believe the Bible was inerrant. He believed the Bible had errors, but he didn't do it well, he taught it.
• 1:05:12
  But he said, if you're going to follow this is fascinating.
• 1:05:15
  He said, if you're going to follow Jesus Christ,
• 1:05:19
  he said, you're gonna be an inerrantist because without question, Jesus Christ
• 1:05:24
  was an inerrantist.
• 1:05:26
  He believed the Bible didn't have any errors of fact, and you can see it from his statements in many different ways.
• 1:05:33
  Well, that's what Cadbury and it's true. And I just famous
• 1:05:36
  statements Jesus Christ made, Every jot and every tittle shall come to pass of this law.
• 1:05:43
  And, do not add to, do not take away from Deuteronomy,
• 1:05:47
  Book of Revelation,
• 1:05:48
  and other places.
• 1:05:50
  And the Bible presents itself that way, but but
• 1:05:53
  he had to believe in order to say that.
• 1:05:56
  He had to believe that what Jesus Christ says is reliable.
• 1:06:00
  In other words, here's the ultimate question in life.
• 1:06:04
  The way you can frame it, you can frame it in different ways. This is one way.
• 1:06:09
  Are the gospel records true? Are they reliable?
• 1:06:13
  If they're reliable, you better fall down with your nostrils in the dirt is what you better do. If they're not reliable, well, no, it doesn't make any difference. I ask people, why do you why are you a Christian? No. I believe the Bible. Well, why do you believe the Bible?
• 1:06:27
  I mean, have you got there's a lot of ancient writings out there that claim to be god's word. A lot of them going back to India to the Veda and the Book of Mormon and the and the, all the the the
• 1:06:42
  traditions
• 1:06:43
  and the writings of the Romanists,
• 1:06:45
  they claim all that's,
• 1:06:47
  inspired.
• 1:06:48
  When the popes big ex cathedra
• 1:06:50
  from the chair, well, that's without error, they clam. On and on you could go all around the world. It's always the same. But why would anybody accept something like that
• 1:07:02
  on anything but solid,
• 1:07:04
  Unknown: irrefutable evidence? Totally agree.
• 1:07:07
  Unknown: Yeah. And if you're saying, well, the Bible says it's inherent,
• 1:07:11
  and it is true, as someone counted, some about 3,000
• 1:07:15
  times,
• 1:07:16
  you can point to the and claims,
• 1:07:19
  that it's telling the truth.
• 1:07:21
  Well, we would expect it to do that. Anybody that gets on the witness stand, we want them to swear that they're telling the truth.
• 1:07:29
  That's where you start.
• 1:07:31
  But that's not enough. Mhmm. There has to be two testimonies, the Bible says. The law of God itself says that. Our common law observes that. Every good trial lawyer, every trial lawyer that's worth his salt, will tell you, well, you know, you get to the end of I've been in cases where you as a criminal prosecution, you get to the end, and then they have a sentencing hearing.
• 1:07:53
  And at the sentencing hearing,
• 1:07:55
  you tell your client, okay, bring,
• 1:07:58
  some, letters from your friends. Tell them what a great guy you are and what a benefit to your family and the community so that the judge will realize you're not a scumbag.
• 1:08:09
  And every lawyer that's worth his salt knows that you need at least two, not one. You need at least two.
• 1:08:16
  And maybe three.
• 1:08:18
  But if you have more than three, it it just makes the judge
• 1:08:23
  irritable.
• 1:08:24
  I mean, you say it two, maybe three times. Well, isn't that exactly what the Bible says?
• 1:08:30
  At the mouth,
• 1:08:31
  upon the mouth, by the letters used in the the Hebrew text, the prepositions,
• 1:08:36
  upon the mouth
• 1:08:37
  of at least two,
• 1:08:40
  but no more than three witnesses
• 1:08:42
  shall every material fact be established.
• 1:08:46
  So one is not enough. And Jesus Christ makes that point over and over and over again
• 1:08:53
  in the New Testament,
• 1:08:55
  substantiating
• 1:08:56
  the
• 1:08:57
  law of God as a matter of the laws of evidence.
• 1:09:01
  Our common law says the same thing. It's unwritten. We just we just know it. It's and we say, well, cumulative evidence. You can have,
• 1:09:09
  to prove a fact,
• 1:09:11
  you can have, 14 clergymen and three nuns or 14 nuns.
• 1:09:16
  Well, you don't the the the court's not gonna allow you to do that. You're gonna have two, maybe three, and that's it.
• 1:09:22
  Because life's short,
• 1:09:25
  we can't just go on and on and on, pile up evidence forever. It won't do any good anyway.
• 1:09:30
  The Bible says, here's the way you do it. At least two,
• 1:09:34
  no more than three. The Bible says two or three, but the Hebrew phrase means at least two,
• 1:09:40
  but no more than three.
• 1:09:42
  So you establish every fact. Well, Jesus Christ makes a point to doing that. You can go to the gospel records and read how he points out that is to be done as to the Bible.
• 1:09:51
  But you can go to the Bible, for example. Now here and if you go to the book Excellence of the Common Law,
• 1:09:57
  the comparative law text,
• 1:09:59
  I've got an appendix in the back that goes through this, and then I've got an appendix in the common lawyer's translation of the Bible from the original tongue. Same appendix.
• 1:10:09
  How do and it's it's pretty long appendix, but how do we know that the Bible is without error?
• 1:10:16
  And there are many ways you can come at it to prove it conclusively.
• 1:10:21
  Not to mention, you just can't find any errors. You know, I can testify to that. Nobody ever has
• 1:10:27
  I'm proven it, but with good evidence.
• 1:10:30
  But we start with saying, let's take the gospel records. That's the apex according to the Bible. The apex of Revelation is the word of God living.
• 1:10:40
  The record of the word of God living, Jesus Christ, is the logos, the word.
• 1:10:45
  The proven logos is from the courts of Rome impressed into Christian service. What does it mean? It means a claim
• 1:10:53
  that is proven.
• 1:10:55
  The Bible says, John chapter one verse one, in the beginning was the Logos.
• 1:11:01
  And the Logos was with God, and the Logos
• 1:11:04
  at God Wycliffe says at God. I like that preposition.
• 1:11:08
  And the Logos
• 1:11:10
  is or was using the erist. Is, you could say is.
• 1:11:14
  The erist tense just puts out the verb. It doesn't the verb of being, it doesn't give it really any erist means without boundary. It's just out there. Erist.
• 1:11:25
  Translations
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  always say was, but it could be is or is God.
• 1:11:31
  And the logos, then you read in first John, right, keep going there in that passage,
• 1:11:36
  he was in the beginning. And John begins to talk about the savior, Jesus
• 1:11:42
  the Christ,
• 1:11:43
  the anointed one, the Mashach of the Old Testament,
• 1:11:47
  anointed in the Hebrew.
• 1:11:49
  And
• 1:11:50
  the logos is
• 1:11:52
  the pinnacle
• 1:11:54
  of revelation. You have the word written,
• 1:11:57
  the law written,
• 1:11:58
  and then the living law, Jesus Christ himself.
• 1:12:02
  The example how he is the man who is the standard of all humanity.
• 1:12:07
  Is God himself in human flesh. That's true.
• 1:12:11
  Well,
• 1:12:12
  if I just take the gospel records
• 1:12:15
  and I say, well, there are a lot of it's about history. There are biography
• 1:12:19
  about a man's life. There are a lot of books written about men's life that I take to be substantially true knowing their errors.
• 1:12:27
  For example, I believe, of course, that I think it's reliable to say that,
• 1:12:32
  the declaration of of '76
• 1:12:35
  was signed sometime in 1776
• 1:12:38
  because all the witnesses
• 1:12:40
  that were there testified to it in history.
• 1:12:44
  I don't know. They always all tell the truth, but substantially true. I've got it on good evidence. Now some of them say that the declaration of '76 was signed on the August 2, and they were there.
• 1:12:56
  Others say it was signed on the July 4, and they were there too.
• 1:13:01
  But I know this. I can take all of that and say, well, there's nobody that jumped up and said it wasn't signed on the on the in the year 1776.
• 1:13:12
  I know that much. In other words, there's substantial truth
• 1:13:16
  in even the testimonies
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  of sinful men. Wow.
• 1:13:22
  Okay. So we go to and there's a lot of history like that. Did World War two occur? Yeah. I can read all the things people wrote about it. I've talked to men that were there like my father. Did it happen? Well, some did my father tell me that a matter of fact, when my father told me all the events, when he got to Okinawa,
• 1:13:39
  the he his experience, the USS Comfort was kamikaze'd,
• 1:13:43
  and he's he was just a kid. By that time, he was 18.
• 1:13:47
  And they called for volunteers
• 1:13:49
  to go over and carry off the the dead bodies. And somehow he got into that detail, and he was over there. And he said he was supposed to he had one end of the chicken wire and there'd be all the body or what was left of a body on it. And he was supposed to take the dog tags and read them to the guy with a clipboard so he'd get the name and where he was from. And he said he picked up one, and he read the name. He said, I don't remember the name. And then I read where he was from, and it was right close to where I'm from, right close to where we're from, there around Terre Haute. And he said, all of a sudden, the war became real. He said, these ridgeaps are trying to kill us. You know? Looking at dead bodies wasn't enough, I guess.
• 1:14:30
  But
• 1:14:31
  Unknown: I hate to interrupt you so much, but I gotta ask you again. Did you see the Tucker Carlson interview with the USS Liberty survivor
• 1:14:40
  that, to my knowledge, had never told his story before. Did you see that recently?
• 1:14:44
  Unknown: Yeah. I lived I listened to that one with rapt attention because I hadn't heard him. He was a he was a Marine Corps sergeant
• 1:14:51
  at the time, and he was a linguist that was had went to the school at Monterey, and he learned Russian.
• 1:14:58
  Unknown: And he was monitoring Russian message traffic. Yeah. I listened to that, and it was worthwhile, wasn't it, to listen? Well, it really was. It was like you're hanging on every word almost. Oh, yeah. One thing that sticks with me, if you can put I don't know what the is there a word for putting yourself in that situation?
• 1:15:15
  Yeah. Yeah. If you could mentally put yourself in that situation in the hall, the the reason they chose
• 1:15:22
  that the Liberty was because it had the best hull of all the ships that were in dry dock.
• 1:15:27
  Remember him saying that? Yeah. And Uh-huh. They were in the front part of the ship,
• 1:15:33
  and there was a 190 men up there. And that's where they translated all these different languages and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Argent there. But the one thing that really I can't get out of my mind when it comes up is he said that every time a 30 or 50 millimeter
• 1:15:49
  shell hit the hull, it was like a ringing of a bell,
• 1:15:53
  and there were how many thousands around? Three three thousand or something. I
• 1:15:58
  I just think of that, and I go, holy smokes.
• 1:16:01
  Unknown: Well, I can testify to that. When something hits the hull of a ship, even a big ship like a carrier, it rings
• 1:16:08
  everywhere. Even it's it hits hard. You know? Uh-huh. And then then one of those of course, they're they had small
• 1:16:14
  they had minimum armaments on that because it was an intelligence ship. But even a small gun, like a five inch 54,
• 1:16:22
  they don't have those anymore. But when those go off,
• 1:16:25
  the whole ship feels like it's gonna come apart. It the the noise is dead. Because the the hollowness and all the compartments, and it's all steel. Yeah. And so it transfers the noise very effectively. Right down through there. Yeah. Yeah. I I can hear that noise. I can't can you hear it? Can't you hear that noise of the ringing? Yes. I can. That's why that's so vivid to me. Yeah. I hate to interrupt. Don't worry we're going, but I just wanted to because when I was watching that, I was thinking about you.
• 1:16:53
  Unknown: I wonder, Brent, because I know you checked Tucker, so I figured you had, but what an interesting story. What about the guy? And I
• 1:17:03
  he's this is a guy talking,
• 1:17:05
  and he's caught in the next compartment
• 1:17:08
  hit with the torpedo,
• 1:17:11
  and it hit some of the oil, some, this oil that they ran the ship on. It got a leak, and he says horrible.
• 1:17:19
  You know, the smell and everything.
• 1:17:21
  And he's trying. There's a good guy that's alive and some other people in there and he's trying to get him out of this compartment
• 1:17:27
  with the water filling from where the the the they were sealed off so it didn't sink the rest of the ship. But in that compartment to try and get up to the hole into the next compartment
• 1:17:38
  and try and help a guy that was wounded.
• 1:17:42
  So and
• 1:17:44
  he told the whole story. How many times did he drop him?
• 1:17:47
  Unknown: Five. Several back into the water. Yeah. He's Then he met him.
• 1:17:53
  Unknown: Couldn't even remember his name. Couldn't even remember his name again. Know each other. And he's telling the story in the kitchen of one of these liberty
• 1:18:00
  Unknown: gatherings and the guy's in a wheelchair, and he said, hell, I'd have gotten a lot better if you wouldn't have dropped me so many times. Yeah. If you had to drop me, I wouldn't have all that. Oh, what a funny line. Oh, I just busted up laughing. Saved his life, though. He did save his life. Yeah. He did. And didn't even know who he was. I mean, he wasn't you know, the way he described it, the ship had about half the crew
• 1:18:22
  were just deck apes and navy young navy sailors, and the other half of the crew were all these intelligence guys that were Uh-huh. Linguists and analysts up front. Yeah. And they were all together. And, but
• 1:18:34
  they're when you're, when you're in the armed forces,
• 1:18:38
  Unknown: you're a target, and all of them suffered. Did you did you catch the line when he said the Jewish guy was up on the 2nd Deck and looked over and saw the
• 1:18:47
  PT boats with flying the Israeli flag, and he started crying.
• 1:18:52
  Yeah.
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  Unknown: Yeah. And no question, they were targeted, and the the object was to murder every sailor on that ship so there'd be no witnesses. And then they would claim that the Egyptians did it, and it would drag America into the war, and that's what Johnson wanted. Johnson, McNamara both wanted. And just people hadn't heard it. I'll go ahead and spoil it for you. And,
• 1:19:13
  Unknown: right there at the last, they were getting ready. So he looked up, and there were helicopters helicopters with with with the IDF. They're gonna lower them down on the ship and kill everybody. And that's when the guy got to talk about god. That's when the guy put two wires. They sent in a heat seeking missiles,
• 1:19:30
  specifically
• 1:19:31
  the heat which they were seeking was telegraphing wires.
• 1:19:35
  Okay? And so they were all seared,
• 1:19:38
  and somebody attached
• 1:19:39
  to,
• 1:19:40
  and I I don't remember if it was this guy or somebody next to him that put out the Mayday, Mayday call. And the minute that call went out, everything stopped.
• 1:19:50
  Unknown: Yeah. Because they got caught. Yep. It's that simple.
• 1:19:53
  And the fellow that attached those two wires together passed away a few years back. He wasn't that old. He was something like 19 or something. He crawled out on the deck. Nobody would go out on the deck because they were dropping
• 1:20:05
  napalm. And what napalm does, it's it's a gasoline
• 1:20:09
  mixture.
• 1:20:10
  Unknown: Mhmm. It's a jelly. Jelly,
• 1:20:12
  Unknown: And it it doesn't explode. It detonates. In other words, it sucks the oxygen out of the air so instantaneously
• 1:20:19
  that it collapses the lungs.
• 1:20:20
  Uh-huh. And plus, plus burns you into a crispy critter, but the collateral damage is death by collapsed lung.
• 1:20:27
  And that's why it was so effective in Vietnam because they drop it where and well, they drop and and also in, the islands during the war, they drop it where men were in caves, and it would suck Oh, yeah. The oxygen out of the caves and collapse the lungs of the men inside. Well, that's what was going on. He crawled out on the deck with all this burning gel all over the deck,
• 1:20:49
  and he had this wire in his hand. And he found the other end of the wire, and he just spliced them together and then curled back.
• 1:20:57
  And he was he didn't know he was just a deck ape, if remember
• 1:21:01
  right, but maybe not. I don't know. You'd look it up. But they asked him later, said, how'd you know how to do it? He said, well, he was from Texas someplace.
• 1:21:08
  He said, well, we're on the farm. He said, we splashed a lot of baling wire together to do a lot of stuff. And Yeah. He said, that's what I did. You know, it used to be on the farm, it used to be baling wire, and then it got to be duct tape, and now it's bungee cords.
• 1:21:21
  Yeah.
• 1:21:22
  Probably not. All
• 1:21:23
  good improvements. Bungee cords are great, but they don't last as long as baling wire. But that he was highly decorated for what he did. He didn't receive the the Not publicly.
• 1:21:34
  No. Not publicly. The skipper, Magonna McGonahee, I think. Yeah. I think that's right. He got the medal of honor in private. In not public. Only time it's ever not been awarded in the Rose Garden.
• 1:21:47
  Unknown: Yeah. And they took him over to Virginia Beach, one of the naval stations over there and awarded it to him there. Wasn't it wasn't the president? It wasn't the president. It was some low ranking officer who gave it to him. Right. Did you see, what's wonderful that all this coming out? So god bless you, Tucker, for finding this guy and giving us this
• 1:22:06
  different perspective we've never heard before. Hey. He had he had never said much about this particular fellow. But the fact that it's even mentioned publicly
• 1:22:16
  and even to the additional fact that now Massey's gone in front of congress and got it in congressional record.
• 1:22:23
  And it's coming out, and these people can't stand it. There's they're in the background. They're they're wriggling as my mother would say, like a worm in hot ashes.
• 1:22:34
  Unknown: Running like scalded dogs.
• 1:22:36
  Unknown: You got it. You got it. Well,
• 1:22:39
  are we are we free to return to the other Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry we get off on these rabbit trails, but these are all really I just had been dying to ask you about that and only get a couple hours with you. You know? So it came to my mind, and so I blurted it out. I'm glad you saw it. Where were we, if you can remember? Well, it was for me. Trying to make the point trying to make the point and pointing people to the
• 1:23:05
  Unknown: oh, by the way, I didn't say it. I'll say it now. If I don't say this, nobody knows how to access the information.
• 1:23:12
  Commonlawyer.com.
• 1:23:14
  Www.commonlawyer.com.
• 1:23:17
  I think you can go to amazon.com
• 1:23:19
  and get the,
• 1:23:21
  the good book, Uncooked. The common lawyer translates the bible from the original tongues. I've always said over 35,000
• 1:23:28
  footnotes, but I counted them two days ago, Roger, the footnotes.
• 1:23:32
  I'm up to 44,000,
• 1:23:34
  over 44,000
• 1:23:35
  footnotes
• 1:23:36
  explaining,
• 1:23:37
  in a lot of case, trying to show why I translate the way I do and also making comments. And then over
• 1:23:44
  oh, well over 225
• 1:23:46
  appendices trace tracing major themes through the warp and the woof of the text of the context of the Bible. But to question it, why do I give so much attention to the Bible? There's no question. As I look at my life now, that's the one thing that I just keep coming back to, and I've been over, well, about forty six years now trying to translate it.
• 1:24:06
  And I just keep finding better ways to say it in English to get the point across.
• 1:24:11
  But,
• 1:24:12
  why do I do this? Because if if the Bible is God, the record of what our maker has said,
• 1:24:20
  then nothing else in the world matters. That's my point of view, and I think I'm right.
• 1:24:25
  I mean, if if Jesus Christ if it's if the record is true, Jesus Christ said there's there's a hell,
• 1:24:32
  well, I need to know that and there's nothing else. If he tells me
• 1:24:36
  to do something, to seek ye first, he said, seek ye first
• 1:24:41
  the
• 1:24:42
  arrangement
• 1:24:44
  of jurisdictions
• 1:24:45
  that God has delegated.
• 1:24:47
  Thus the kingdom, Basilea.
• 1:24:49
  Seek that first,
• 1:24:51
  and all of the other things that he has in store for you that are good shall be added.
• 1:24:56
  If he says do that first,
• 1:24:58
  well, nothing else matters.
• 1:25:01
  If he says that
• 1:25:03
  violent men enter the kingdom of heaven, what does that mean? Well, that means that you want it so bad because you're born from above.
• 1:25:10
  You want it so bad, you'll do anything to get it. It's it's a it's as the reformers said, it's irresistible.
• 1:25:17
  You cannot
• 1:25:18
  resist the urge
• 1:25:20
  to do it.
• 1:25:21
  It's not even possible to resist the urge.
• 1:25:24
  And that's what the Bible teaches. Well, well, then that's what I need to know. And it is the words of God that move men to intrepid
• 1:25:32
  intrepid behavior.
• 1:25:34
  I know that we're all sinners. I know Christopher Columbus was a sinner. I know he had his problems. I've read about them. But Christopher Columbus
• 1:25:43
  came
• 1:25:44
  came
• 1:25:46
  west seeking a passage to India
• 1:25:49
  because he was reading the Bible and making notes in the margin. That's the thing that really drove him. Well, whatever he was, you can you can even access
• 1:25:58
  his Bible with the notes.
• 1:26:01
  And all men that have done intrepid behavior
• 1:26:05
  we have this fellow that you you've and I have talked about, Roger, and I don't read his his he made a translation of the Bible that took several years.
• 1:26:13
  And his name you're gonna tell me his name. It's not coming to top of the head.
• 1:26:19
  Farfenton? Yeah. Farfenton.
• 1:26:21
  Now I don't particularly I I like Farfenton's
• 1:26:24
  translation, but I I don't particularly think he's the most accurate. And when I read him, I certainly acknowledge how hard it is to do because I've been trying it for decades.
• 1:26:33
  And I and nobody's gonna get it all right, and they're all different. But Farrar Fenton said this. The purpose was this, Roger. This is what struck me about Farrar Fenton.
• 1:26:44
  Farrar he's a Brit, by the way.
• 1:26:47
  He and he had the King James, and he had the authorized version of 18 He started out as an atheist.
• 1:26:54
  Yes. Hell, yeah. But, of course, the the word of god is what changes everything. It it is the seed of the word of god that brings it is the the
• 1:27:03
  sperm.
• 1:27:04
  The seed,
• 1:27:05
  Peter says. He used the word in the Greek that that provides the conception of the new birth. It can't come any other way. It's that important. But Farrar Fenton said, there has to be a reason.
• 1:27:18
  Us British people,
• 1:27:21
  us English speaking people are not any smarter than anybody else. We're certainly no more virtuous than a lot of other people. Why is it that we rule the world and rule the oceans? Why?
• 1:27:33
  And now his conclusion was not that they Brits are better than others,
• 1:27:39
  his by native force, but his conclusion is
• 1:27:43
  his conclusion was the Bible has been to
• 1:27:46
  to English speaking people
• 1:27:48
  what it hasn't been to anybody else, and that is an historic fact.
• 1:27:52
  You know, the Reformation on the continent of Europe, when you think of the Reformation on the continent of Europe, in other words, the movement back to the authority of the Bible,
• 1:28:01
  away from the authority of the pope,
• 1:28:04
  back to the Bible being final in all things. You think of Martin Luther and Saxony.
• 1:28:10
  You think of Zwingli in Switzerland.
• 1:28:13
  You think of John Calvin in the French speaking parts, France and parts of Switzerland,
• 1:28:18
  you think of
• 1:28:20
  men,
• 1:28:21
  leaders,
• 1:28:23
  that God used. That's true. You come to
• 1:28:27
  England,
• 1:28:28
  the English speaking people,
• 1:28:30
  who can you point to an England that was the leader of the Reformation?
• 1:28:35
  Fact is, you can't.
• 1:28:36
  You can point to a lot of guys that did a lot of stuff, but the guys you point to that did a lot of stuff did what? They translated the Bible into English.
• 1:28:46
  And so in England and in Scotland and together the two,
• 1:28:51
  the Bible
• 1:28:53
  of god's
• 1:28:54
  record, god's book is the foundation
• 1:28:58
  of everything there. And only
• 1:29:00
  on the British island
• 1:29:02
  was the reformation of both church and government.
• 1:29:06
  It was not the reformation of government and hasn't been. It was just of the church
• 1:29:11
  on the continent of Europe.
• 1:29:14
  It is that book called the Bible
• 1:29:16
  that has that is infused into a people
• 1:29:20
  in a in a without men, just the book itself.
• 1:29:24
  And that's what happened on the island of Britain.
• 1:29:27
  Now you can point to, for example, in in Scotland, you can point to John Knox as the leader of the Reformation,
• 1:29:34
  and that that's true.
• 1:29:36
  But after Knox,
• 1:29:38
  everything bled into the whole island
• 1:29:41
  and the English Civil War and all the things that happened. And I know there and we've had Paul English on talking about Cromwell
• 1:29:49
  and Paul and talking about Churchill.
• 1:29:52
  Yes. These men were sinners and bad,
• 1:29:54
  and all of us are. And to say that you're better is the is the height of arrogance. You're not. Neither am I. But God has given us the new birth. We still carry the flesh around,
• 1:30:06
  but he's moving us
• 1:30:07
  in the right direction. Well, coming back to the Bible is in an errant.
• 1:30:11
  Yeah. I can point to gospel. Mistakes
• 1:30:13
  Unknown: that we all made collectively
• 1:30:15
  when we were young and stupid
• 1:30:17
  set
• 1:30:18
  a what do they call it? On a a thing that runs along the side of you where
• 1:30:24
  you can't go past it, you know, guideline.
• 1:30:27
  Yeah. They set a guideline on one side, then it's your duty, I think, set it on the other.
• 1:30:34
  Unknown: Well, yeah.
• 1:30:36
  Well, that's why I say when I go home and I talk to all my kids and Ken at
• 1:30:43
  dad's
• 1:30:45
  go home. When I say go home, I go back to that hometown.
• 1:30:49
  Yes. You know, I'm still around there. But
• 1:30:52
  when I go close like that to that little hometown,
• 1:30:58
  all the people there,
• 1:30:59
  they know me,
• 1:31:01
  and I know them. And we're not pulling any we're not pulling any fast ones on each other. We just know too much. And
• 1:31:08
  yeah. And and they know all the bad things, and and those things stay with you, and they hamper you. They should. Yeah.
• 1:31:16
  And they should. And that's what keeps it right, Roger. Good. We're preaching like, two guys preaching to each other here, the choir,
• 1:31:23
  but, we're making the point.
• 1:31:26
  Unknown: Let me get back to the see if I can get this inerrancy thing. How much time we got? Like, we've got Oh, we got plenty of time. It's the feedback loop. It's the feedback loop. Says you went here before.
• 1:31:37
  It isn't a good place to be. Don't do it again. Boom. And that
• 1:31:41
  is wisdom.
• 1:31:42
  That's a good word. When you make that connection,
• 1:31:45
  and and as I came up with a few years ago thinking about this, isn't wisdom
• 1:31:51
  the only thing worth losing your youth for?
• 1:31:55
  Unknown: Yeah. You waste yourself. That's right. Waste your time and do things that are so get it, what did you accomplish?
• 1:32:05
  And thus that's good. And thus, the Bible says Paul the apostle says in Romans,
• 1:32:11
  all things, not just the good things,
• 1:32:14
  but all things, that includes the bad things, work together for good to them who are called according to his purpose. Yeah. And that's a special group of folk called the Bible called the elect, the called, the eclectas,
• 1:32:27
  the chosen out from among others for whatever reason. And certainly, it's not because we're good people. That's not it. God
• 1:32:34
  chooses the Bible says, god chooses the weak,
• 1:32:39
  the despised of this world
• 1:32:41
  to confound
• 1:32:43
  the wise of this world.
• 1:32:45
  And I see it all day, every day. And as I get older, I understand it. And it's almost like God's sense of humor just to
• 1:32:54
  use people that don't I like myself.
• 1:32:57
  I've watched God use me
• 1:33:00
  confound those
• 1:33:01
  who thought they were on top of this world system. I have watched it. I'm watching it right now. And I'm not doing much anything but just sitting here working. That's all I do. I'm in seclusion. I'm just kinda minding my own business.
• 1:33:16
  I'm semi retired, pretty much retired,
• 1:33:19
  and I'm translating the Bible. I do it all day every day.
• 1:33:23
  A few other things I gotta do. I gotta take care of the critters. It's sure nice
• 1:33:28
  to be around where I grew up and watch all the critters. But let me get back to the Bible. Maybe I can finish this. We're gonna have time for a few comments. Alright.
• 1:33:37
  Okay. So Now try to be quiet. Go ahead. And Henry Joel Cadbury, who didn't believe the Bible much, inerrancy.
• 1:33:44
  If you don't believe inerrancy, you don't believe the Bible. But it is the gospel records are substantially historically reliable material.
• 1:33:51
  There's no question about that. Everybody agrees about that. Even those that hate Christianity. They're scholars at the big seminaries. They, oh, yeah. Well, that's substantially reliable. Jesus Christ did live. Now Cadbury makes this point too.
• 1:34:05
  He says the the the the life of Jesus Christ was not punctuated
• 1:34:11
  by suspensions
• 1:34:13
  of the laws of nature.
• 1:34:15
  Suspensions,
• 1:34:16
  temporary suspensions
• 1:34:17
  of the laws of nature. The fancy word is miracle.
• 1:34:21
  But the lawgiver of creation
• 1:34:24
  has the authority and power if he wants to suspend
• 1:34:27
  those laws temporarily,
• 1:34:29
  and he does. He turned the water into wine. He made the axe head float in the Old Testament.
• 1:34:35
  And things happened during the life of Moses, during the life of Elijah and Elisha, and during the lives of the 12 man jury that Jesus Christ impaneled to witness the evidence of his identity.
• 1:34:46
  Three forty year periods in the history of mankind,
• 1:34:50
  suspensions of the God suspended the laws of nature. About three forty year periods. That's all we know that it ever happened.
• 1:34:58
  And
• 1:34:59
  during those three forty year periods, starting with Moses, the times of Elijah and Elisha,
• 1:35:04
  and the times of Jesus Christ and the apostles.
• 1:35:09
  The Bible was penned.
• 1:35:12
  The Bible was penned during those three forty that makes a total of a hundred and twenty years. The Bible is penned right during those times.
• 1:35:20
  You have to ask yourself, why? Well, it's obvious. And John Locke,
• 1:35:24
  whose phrase is pepper, our Declaration of '76,
• 1:35:28
  John Locke said this: The miracles
• 1:35:31
  of Jesus Christ
• 1:35:35
  substantiate
• 1:35:37
  his credibility
• 1:35:39
  as proposer of doctrine.
• 1:35:42
  If you take the Gospel record, say they're substantially historically reliable, it's not that they're it's punctuated by him his miracles.
• 1:35:50
  It is, as Cadbury says, a blaze of miracles.
• 1:35:54
  You can't deny them. Tom Jefferson tried to you know, it's funny. Tom Jefferson said that John Locke was one of the three greatest mortals that ever lived.
• 1:36:03
  John Locke was one of the three greatest mortals that ever lived.
• 1:36:08
  John Locke said that the miracles of Jesus Christ
• 1:36:12
  established his credibility
• 1:36:14
  as proposer of doctrine.
• 1:36:18
  But Tom Jefferson, who admired John Locke to the nth degree, took the Bible and he said, yeah, God spoke to us, but all these miracles are not true. And he tried to cut them all out of the Bible.
• 1:36:30
  It's called the Jefferson Bible. It's available.
• 1:36:33
  But he didn't believe that that could happen.
• 1:36:36
  He was not a deist.
• 1:36:38
  A deist is somebody who says God does not communicate to man. Mhmm. Tom Jefferson believed God communicates to man the Bible, but he did not believe that the the passages that,
• 1:36:48
  said there were suspensions
• 1:36:50
  of the laws
• 1:36:51
  of nature were true.
• 1:36:53
  Well, that's just a side note about he later, I think, came had a come to Jesus meeting over that. But let's get back to
• 1:37:01
  Jesus Christ's life was life was a blaze of miracles.
• 1:37:05
  That's all he did. Page after page, you just go through the gospel
• 1:37:09
  record, the four gospels. It's just all there.
• 1:37:12
  Well, if what John Locke says is true, and I tend to think John well, he's murdered me, but I agree with him.
• 1:37:19
  And
• 1:37:21
  if the miracles substantiate
• 1:37:24
  the suspensions of the laws of nature, if you cut the law, the the miracles out of the gospels, you don't have much left, frankly.
• 1:37:31
  So there's a substantially true
• 1:37:34
  if you're going to believe the testimony,
• 1:37:37
  the reliable words, the the substantial historic reliability
• 1:37:40
  of the testimony of Jesus Christ, as Cadbury says, who didn't believe it, but he said it's gotta be true,
• 1:37:47
  then,
• 1:37:49
  then the Bible is without error because,
• 1:37:52
  Jesus Christ taught that.
• 1:37:55
  So the gospel records being the pinnacle of all of written revelation before and after,
• 1:38:00
  the living word,
• 1:38:01
  the record of what he said and did,
• 1:38:04
  substantiates
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  the doctrine of inerrance. You know, this is very brief what I've said here. I've laid it out in detail in the an appendix in
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  the winterized
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  what do call it, the commonly translated the Bible toward a raw translation.
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  Now I got all that in there because I it's clear to me
• 1:38:22
  that your your Henry Joel Cadbury knew a lot more than I did, but, you know, the Bible says men like him can learn forever,
• 1:38:30
  but never come to a knowledge of the truth, but to continue with all their learning, to deny reality.
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  And there are a lot of men like that denying reality.
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  And only by the new birth of the Spirit
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  is the mind enlightened to accept
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  overwhelming
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  and veritable embarrassment of riches of evidence of truth.
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  That's what the Bible says, and I believe that part too. Well, there's more to be said about it than that. But, Roger, you like to open things up, and I do too. I I do too. Yeah. And we've been a good really good show covering a lot of different diverse topics
• 1:39:05
  Unknown: and issues. Anybody in the audience have any questions, comments, analysis, overviews,
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  or something else you'd just like to say howdy?
• 1:39:14
  Now is the time. Star six is the way, and here we are waiting
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  for a hey, Roger. Hey, Brent. Yes, Oh,
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  there's Christian right there. Hey, Christian.
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  Unknown: Well, you you have an you have a talent for
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  voices.
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  Hey.
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  You said something about asking Brent today about, how much a shackle was.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Well, that's a good question. We mentioned it earlier. Was telling you about the D'Souza thing.
• 1:39:46
  Do you do you know how much that would be, or do you have information for us, Christian? You've gone off and done some research or what?
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  Unknown: No. I was I was wanting to ask Brent.
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  No. Well, I'd tell you what I know, and, then there's speculation beyond that.
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  I know for sure from reading the Bible,
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  the words there are a lot. It's a Hebrew word, shekel,
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  or we just say in English shekel. That's good enough.
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  And it is a measurement of weight.
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  A measurement of weight. That much,
• 1:40:20
  we know. And
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  it was standard in the ancient world,
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  in The Levant, as the French say, the Fertile Crescent, as others say, the Mesopotamia
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  and Valley coming around and then going down
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  toward Egypt.
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  And in the winterized version of the Bible,
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  I've got plenty of footnotes on it,
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  the shekel,
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  and how much
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  how much it weighs.
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  And I don't recall exactly what it is, but I'm trying to look here as I'm talking.
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  But it has a it
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  has a specific weight. Let's see. Well, here's a note. Silver,
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  current money. Every time you see the word money in, for example, the King James version of the Bible,
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  it that's not that's not what it says at all. And every time you see the word money, and even in the New Testament, this is true a lot,
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  but in the Old Testament, across the board is true.
• 1:41:20
  The King James translators translate the word for silver, kisef,
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  and they translate money.
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  Well, was it money? Yeah. It was current, as we say, current money. Yeah. Silver was.
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  But that's not what it says. It says silver.
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  And in the winterized version, I make a point to try and, as much as I can,
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  to always translate it that way
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  because,
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  well, we just wanna be raw and accurate as we can. And as our constitution of The United States says,
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  the only money that our law allows in America is gold and silver coin.
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  I say money? Yeah. When I say money, Roger, you can you can adjust the definition if you think I'm not doing it right. But I mean, money, what is used as currency in exchange.
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  That's that's what gold and silver are and copper coins, pennies. We don't have copper anymore, as you know. They're aluminum.
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  That's against the law. It's not only against
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  the law of our our common law and our constitution of The United States.
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  It's against
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  god's explicit
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  detailed law of the Bible.
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  Gold and silver
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  are
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  god's lawful money.
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  In the Bible according to our common law, which means also our constitution of The United States.
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  And if we have that
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  and I don't mean pieces of paper that you can trade in for gold and silver. That's not enough. Okay. Good. Now yeah. That's not enough. Let's see what I've got here. Shekel.
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  I talked enough, Roger. I was able to find it. There you go. A unit oh, nice thing about getting a winterized version, you can get it in hard copy or online
• 1:43:03
  or, I mean, in digital. If you get it in digital form, you can do searches like this. Yes. And that was the intention, and the and the footnotes are massive. Well,
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  Shekel,
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  a unit of weight, Shin,
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  Kov, Lamed, the Hebrew, three Hebrew letters,
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  Shin Kov Lamed, a unit of weight roughly equal
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  to that of a pair
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  of gold
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  earrings.
• 1:43:29
  That's the fundamental
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  unwritten standard of the ancient world.
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  And that you can see in Genesis, and you can get this too from Genesis twenty four twenty two.
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  That it makes that point there. That's in the Bible.
• 1:43:44
  Though here the word, I'm reading from a footnote, is in the singular shekel. It translates into English in the plural shekels.
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  Just as among American farmers, a single measured unit of corn weighing
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  60 pounds
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  is
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  said to weigh 60
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  pound.
• 1:44:05
  You know, in English, we do that a lot. Well, how much do you weigh? Oh, forty pound in the singular. Well, it's not forty pound. Really, it's forty pounds, but we don't say it that way always. Well, that's the way they talked about shekels.
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  If they say 40 shekel,
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  well, that that means you've got 40. There's plural.
• 1:44:24
  And that's the way it's used the Hebrew word is used in the Bible.
• 1:44:28
  Thus also among the ancient Hebrews and other Semites,
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  a Semite is a descendant
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  of Sim, Shem.
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  Shem, one of the three sons of Noah.
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  All of the Arab world, of which there are a lot more of them than people call themselves Jews,
• 1:44:45
  are Semites.
• 1:44:46
  To be against all of the Jewish people in the world that are screaming and hollering about semi antisemitism
• 1:44:52
  are the biggest antisemites
• 1:44:54
  on the planet because they hate Arabs.
• 1:44:59
  Words are important, and we throw people in political correctness, throw them around like cordwood.
• 1:45:05
  But May may I? May I? Yeah. Sure. Words mean things. Go ahead. Yeah. They darn sure do, and we wanna get. That's why that's why Noah Webster said, I'm tired of you saying the word means this, and I say it means that, and that whoever defines the meaning of the word wins the debate.
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  The the devil with all that.
• 1:45:25
  What does god say words mean? And that's why we have the Noe eighteen twenty eight dictionary.
• 1:45:30
  That was his purpose. I
• 1:45:33
  a wonderful purpose. And he didn't just do it out of the blue. He spent years translating the Bible.
• 1:45:39
  So he thought he had that under his belt and then he did the dictionary.
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  Ain't that wonderful? I think so. Yeah.
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  Well, that's what I know about Shekel. And, you know, at common law, everything at common law is what some people call approximate.
• 1:45:54
  All of our system
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  law system
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  I invented a word, systemant. I didn't mean systemant.
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  Unknown: I meant system of measurement. I was gonna ask you, what was that again?
• 1:46:06
  Unknown: System our system of measurement, our English system of measurement
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  is the common law system.
• 1:46:13
  And it's all according
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  to approximation
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  that works. Approximations
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  that work.
• 1:46:20
  The metric system, the French invented during that horrible, ugly, bloody
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  chopping people's head off by the hundreds of thousands Yeah. Revolution. And they said, we're gonna throw out we're gonna strangle every priest with the guts of every king, and we're throwing God out. We're gonna enshrine this whore, this naked whore. And they did. They took a whore off the streets of Paris, stripped her naked, enshrined her, put a sign around her neck that said reason and logic,
• 1:46:46
  and they put her in the they enshrined her in the
• 1:46:49
  Cathedral Notre Dame. They were insane. But they said, we're gonna be, as they say, quote, unquote, scientific.
• 1:46:57
  So they said the the system of measurement, we're gonna base on the distance between the Equator and the and the North Pole.
• 1:47:04
  That was silly. They didn't know how they thought they knew how far it was. They thought arithmetic and they could be precise,
• 1:47:10
  and that's the metric system. But our common law system of measurement isn't like that. And the Bible is not like that. The Bible, the cubit,
• 1:47:17
  was the distance between the tip of your longest finger to your elbow. And amazingly, of course, it comes out that way pretty much with every man. The fathom is, of course, the distance where you can stretch out your hands or the yard is from the tip of your nose to the tip of your finger as you move as you hold your arm out. But those kinds of measurements that by the way, we went to the moon on those kind of measurements and the pound and the stone and all that, That's biblical. That's what because it's practical. It's practical. It works.
• 1:47:48
  That's the important thing about the English system of measurement, and that's the important thing about our common law tradition. If there's anything that's not logical in the world, and I got this, I'm in good company.
• 1:47:59
  When I say this, it's our common law tradition. It's not built on logic.
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  No. No.
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  It's built on fact.
• 1:48:06
  And the logic is just easy and natural if you got the right facts, but our common law system of measurement
• 1:48:13
  works because it gets the job done, and that's the way it was among the ancient Hebrews. And when they said,
• 1:48:22
  they knew what that meant meant without being logical or being precise. Our common law is not about preciseness. Here's what we're after in our common law,
• 1:48:32
  and this is the bible too. We're after substantial
• 1:48:34
  justice.
• 1:48:35
  I went into trial once and we had a guy of a friend. I grew up with him. I was even in four h with him. He didn't live far from us, and he was the baby of the family. And my father had dated his mother when we came back from the war. We were, as I say, not Ken in this case, but Kiff.
• 1:48:50
  And
• 1:48:52
  he bought a piece of farm machinery that cost a a dollar and dollars amount, a precise amount.
• 1:48:58
  It it was over 400 and of over $453,000.
• 1:49:02
  Long story about the machinery. But
• 1:49:05
  it didn't work as advertised, and he wanted his money back. We went into court before the jury in that little county where we live.
• 1:49:12
  Again, everybody knows everybody.
• 1:49:14
  And,
• 1:49:15
  of course, if you're a trial lawyer, one thing you don't want on a jury, if you can help it, is a school teacher, a banker, or a professor.
• 1:49:23
  People like that
• 1:49:25
  will try to they'll they think they're educated. Of course, they are. They think they can act like lawyers. And if there's anything you don't want on a jury, it's somebody who who wants to act like a lawyer. Lawyers know better. They don't they're tired of all that baloney, so they don't act that way. But other people will try to be lawyers, and they'll try to act like lawyers and try to do what lawyers do. They think they're doing what lawyers do, but they're not. So we had this guy. We couldn't keep him off the jury. We threw up friends of mine that worked in banks. We got rid of them. We don't want bankers because bankers, they're it's all about preciseness, see, and that doesn't work. You'll never get justice with preciseness because we're mortals and we're we don't know enough to be precise. But we had this blasted engineer on there from the oil refinery.
• 1:50:07
  Marathon Oil Company had a refinery there.
• 1:50:10
  And he
• 1:50:12
  was on the jury, and we said, oh, no. This guy's gonna try to figure this out using arithmetic.
• 1:50:17
  And the jury was out for a long time, and I was finally down to Moonshine store, and I saw one of the jurors down there.
• 1:50:24
  I said, what happened? And we won the case, by the way. I said, what happened to the jury room?
• 1:50:30
  And the fellow said, well, you know that engineer that was on the jury, he was trying to prorate
• 1:50:36
  how much your client had lost, Doug, his name was Doug, how much your client had lost day by day and hour by hour per near, and we couldn't get him past trying to figure all that stuff out. And we said to him, look, this guy lost for just over $453,000.
• 1:50:49
  Let's just give him his money back. So I went nothing to figure out here. Let's just give the man his money back.
• 1:50:56
  Well, finally, they shut this engineer down. He was trying to be precise and prorate everything,
• 1:51:03
  and we won the case. But that's if where you if you wanna be precise,
• 1:51:08
  you wanna be and be
• 1:51:10
  and I have said this before. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse sometimes, Roger. Logic will not get us to the truth
• 1:51:17
  Because logic most time when people stress logic, I can quote other men smarter than me, Merriman from Bolt Hall. When people
• 1:51:26
  when where logic is stressed,
• 1:51:28
  fact has a way of receding from consideration.
• 1:51:32
  What was the fact of the matter in that case? Doug got screwed out of $453,000.
• 1:51:37
  Give it back to him. Is that hard?
• 1:51:40
  That's all it amounts to. All we ask Yeah. All we're asking college to come up with a conclusion like that. Yeah. Yeah. And all we're asking we're making it simple. All we're asking the jury do to do is say yes or no. He gets his money back or he doesn't. Yeah. Well, they can say other things that they want, but is he get is he right or wrong? Up or down? Black or white? In or out? And I'll tell you what, all of life is that way.
• 1:52:04
  I give you testimony as a man who's been the the whole world has tried to suck into the minutiae of administrative law and all the baloney that goes with it. No. A thousand times no. I don't wanna go there. Right and wrong. It's either in or out, up or down, heaven or hell, saint or ain't.
• 1:52:22
  Unknown: Either you're born from above or you aren't. I mean, getting right down to the fundamentals and the the major issues of life and all of life is like that. It all has to come back relate it back to the first principles. Go ahead. I find the challenges to take any of these issues that come up like that that are contentious even in your own mind. Uh-huh. And to whittle that down, think about it enough until you get down to an eve it's either this or it's that, and there's no other options.
• 1:52:50
  Unknown: I'm with you, Roger. And as I get older. Yeah. I know when I was younger, had all these professors around and all. And I know that guy's smart and I need to learn to do like that. I tried all that Yeah. For years.
• 1:53:02
  I'm it does it's not where life is, but that's what the evil empire wants you to think, and they'll try to suck you into it.
• 1:53:10
  Unknown: By by
• 1:53:11
  complexity, the more you make that
• 1:53:14
  view and perspective complex and complicated,
• 1:53:18
  the more you're gonna confuse somebody's
• 1:53:20
  the
• 1:53:21
  way they walk away with a conclusion.
• 1:53:24
  Yeah. Here, it's either yes or no. Which is it, sir?
• 1:53:28
  Or are you free, or are you a slave? That's that's good, Roger. Of course, that's good, but here we are talking. I want other people to be able to I know. But you and I get on these Jags as one of these shows are so entertaining.
• 1:53:41
  We don't necessarily care about the rest of you. Brent and I are enjoying the hell out of this. Oh, yeah. But you've got a couple minutes left. Roger, Roger. Could you oh, yes, Roger.
• 1:53:52
  Unknown: Jerry G. Garcia in
• 1:53:54
  Unknown: Hey, Jerry from Carlsbad where the bats fly. Hey, man.
• 1:53:58
  Unknown: Right. And they fly out pretty regular. I have a question for
• 1:54:02
  for Brent. First,
• 1:54:04
  I'm gonna read a verse, and then I I would like to know what is meant by the cross.
• 1:54:11
  Whoever does not take up the cross and follow me
• 1:54:16
  is not worthy of me.
• 1:54:19
  Matthew ten thirty eight.
• 1:54:21
  What what is the cross
• 1:54:24
  that we should take up?
• 1:54:26
  That's all. That's
• 1:54:28
  Unknown: an important question. And that means your brain's working. And that means you're saying to yourself,
• 1:54:33
  this can't mean what everybody says it means.
• 1:54:37
  It can't according to the rest of the Bible. There's a lot of stuff in the Bible. People say it means this, and you look at the rest of the Bible and you go, wait a minute. That can't mean that because the Bible says otherwise everywhere else. And if there's anything about the interpret what did you say? Matthew four twenty three, is that what you said?
• 1:54:55
  Unknown: Jerry?
• 1:54:57
  I didn't lose him. Did 38.
• 1:55:01
  Unknown: Ten Ten thirty eight.
• 1:55:03
  Ten thirty eight. Matthew ten thirty eight.
• 1:55:06
  Unknown: Okay. Okay. Well, the reason I I'm talking again,
• 1:55:11
  I learned this technique from the man that wrote the Roe v Wade opinion.
• 1:55:16
  His name was Blackman, and I
• 1:55:19
  he made a presentation
• 1:55:20
  when I was in law school.
• 1:55:23
  He wanted students only to know professors, so we wouldn't be embarrassed and we would ask him questions.
• 1:55:29
  They're probably recording our our questions and taking our names down so they could come back and get us later. I don't know. But, anyway,
• 1:55:37
  he would show he'd listen. He'd come to the edge of the stage. He'd listen to the question,
• 1:55:42
  and then he'd shuffle back to the microphone. And he said, that gives me time to think of an answer. Well Yeah.
• 1:55:49
  Well, not that I thought he was a great guy, but that was a good technique. So I'm looking up the note that I wrote on this
• 1:55:57
  because I have I I I have the I've heard the same things you've heard. Here here's the winterized version. Here's the winterized version
• 1:56:05
  or the a common layer translates from the original tongues, Matthew Matthew ten thirty eight.
• 1:56:10
  And who takes not his gibbet
• 1:56:13
  who takes not his gibbet
• 1:56:16
  and follows the same roadway back to me
• 1:56:20
  is not worthy of me.
• 1:56:23
  Now what is a gibbet? Why do I say gibbet? Because I have a policy in my translation to use only English words.
• 1:56:31
  And we and second,
• 1:56:33
  we have no clear evidence from the Bible that Jesus with Christ was nailed
• 1:56:37
  to a cross piece. None.
• 1:56:40
  Matter of fact, although he may have been. I'm just saying it's not sure, And the evidence seems to lean the other direction that he was nailed to a post.
• 1:56:50
  But that's not the important point anyway, is it really? The important point is that he is human sacrifice,
• 1:56:56
  the only human
• 1:56:58
  sacrifice that god has ever
• 1:57:01
  ever authorized,
• 1:57:03
  and it's the one God demands for the penalty for our sins. He was murdered, humiliated in that way.
• 1:57:09
  But in at common law, it's called a gibbet,
• 1:57:12
  and gibbeting
• 1:57:13
  was an important,
• 1:57:15
  means of killing people in America. What is gibbeting?
• 1:57:18
  Well, at common law, it means you're hung on a tree.
• 1:57:21
  You're hung from a limb. You're hung on wood, to put it in Bible terms. Of a cursed the old translations in the law of God say cursed
• 1:57:30
  is every man that is hung on a tree. Well, tree is an old word word for wood, and that's why gallows traditionally,
• 1:57:38
  in our common law tradition, have always been made of wood.
• 1:57:42
  All this is a par history of where it comes from. I've seen one gallows not made of wood in my life, and it's in the Panhandle Of Texas
• 1:57:50
  at a small at Armstrong County Courthouse, by the way,
• 1:57:53
  made entirely of steel.
• 1:57:55
  That's another story. We're listening to the music. This is Brent Allen Winters commonlawyer.com,
• 1:58:02
  www.commonlawyer.com.
• 1:58:06
  And go to the website, take advantage of what's there.
• 1:58:09
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• 1:58:14
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• 1:58:15
  law classes,
• 1:58:18
  the translation of the Bible, comparative law text on different common law subjects that we've written.
• 1:58:24
  We come back, if you stay here, and I'll read the footnote, and I think we might discover something about what this verse means, I hope. Okay.
• 1:58:33
  Unknown: Well, I'm gonna chime in and say thanks for listening. Of course, Brent and I do Friday shows for
• 1:58:38
  I kinda feel like that old English guy says from time out of mind. It's been a lot of years, and Brent and I both enjoy it. Hope you do too and get something out of it. The things we uncover here in these discussions
• 1:58:52
  sometimes amazes both of us.
• 1:58:54
  Hopefully, we'll be back next Friday,
• 1:58:58
  and, we'll see in these volatile times
• 1:59:02
  where we are, how we can have these spiritual and truthful applications
• 1:59:06
  to help give us,
• 1:59:09
  well, to help give us a guide of a point of of of destination.
• 1:59:14
  You know, you don't wanna be just drifting all. You wanna point a destination, a safe harbor.
• 1:59:19
  Hopefully, that's what we offer. We'll see you next Friday, if not tomorrow. Before then,
• 1:59:24
  ciao.
• 1:59:35
  Unknown: Well, Roger, can I continue? It'd be good to Yes. No, please. Yeah. Yeah. He who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me, said Jesus Christ.
• 1:59:45
  And there's a whole appendix in the back of the
• 1:59:49
  back of the good book, Uncooked,
• 1:59:52
  on gibbetting,
• 1:59:54
  a common law, which in the Latin world was called crucifixion.
• 1:59:59
  Gibbetting is crucifixion. We practiced it in America in America for a long time. Pirates were gibbeted. Then after they were gibbeted, their bodies in America, Boston Harbor, New York Harbor,
• 2:00:10
  were left
• 2:00:12
  hanging
• 2:00:13
  out over the entrance as much as they so they would be seen by all the sailors coming into the harbors to see what would happen to a sailor, return to piracy, for example. In my neck of the woods, the Hart brothers,
• 2:00:27
  murderous couple of fellows. Terri you don't even wanna talk about what these guys were these guys were doing. They were gibbeted on the road, along the Ohio River
• 2:00:35
  between Owensboro
• 2:00:37
  well, not far far out of Owensboro, Kentucky. Well, one of them was. The other one caught was caught later down Mississippi,
• 2:00:44
  hung, gibbeted,
• 2:00:45
  and left hanging
• 2:00:47
  to rot
• 2:00:48
  as an as a statement to others. Wow. Of course,
• 2:00:52
  everyone
• 2:00:53
  who hangs on wood is cursed
• 2:00:56
  according to the law of God, and that's why we have hung men like that,
• 2:01:00
  gibbeted men. Jesus Christ, though, said,
• 2:01:04
  take up
• 2:01:05
  your gibbet. Take up, and the the word means stake. It doesn't mean cross
• 2:01:10
  cross piece.
• 2:01:12
  A note here. Let me read it. Gibbet,
• 2:01:15
  starao,
• 2:01:16
  the Greek word translated cross. That's not a good translation. It's not a cross. It's a stake.
• 2:01:22
  It means to drive a stake in the ground or to
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  put a stake down into a post hole,
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  to nail or impale a man on a stake.
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  That's the meaning of the Greek word.
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  Gibbit means execution by hanging on wood,
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  also called in common law the noun gallows.
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  Gallows.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  appendix 45 or appendix 60
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  goes into great detail about the history of gibbeting in our common law tradition. But coming back, Jesus Christ now this is my what I know about it. I'll just say what I think, and
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  you can take it and see what you think about it.
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  Clearly, we know when Jesus Christ was
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  murdered ex murdered by execution
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  Roman execution.
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  He was beaten half to death, which is normal course for that we have cross examination of common law to try to get at the truth. They just beat people. That's the way that. All over the world. That's the way it is. The law of the city, Babylonian law. No no cross examination, by the way, is is allowed in the non English speaking world. That they don't do that. That's our common law tradition, a feature of it.
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  But after they did that to him,
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  then
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  they laid his
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  the stake,
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  the wood, they laid it on his back. He could hardly walk by that time, of course. Matter of fact, he was
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  dragging his his wooden
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  instrument of execution.
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  They were behind him, forced him to do it, and he finally collapsed. He couldn't do it anymore because they beat him half to death before he did it, cat nine tails and all that.
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  And there was a fellow standing there
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  watching all this,
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  and the Roman soldiers grabbed him and said, you pick it up and carry it.
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  And this fellow that picked it up and carried it, what they were operating according to Roman law under Roman law, Jesus Christ references this in the Sermon on the Mountain, Matthew five through seven.
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  He says, if a man asks you to carry a load, mile,
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  shucks, he said, carry it too.
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  Well, at Roman law, he was referring to what the Roman soldiers had a right to do under their law. If they were working or going anywhere and there was anybody standing around and they needed help,
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  if they told them help me, by law, you had to help the Roman soldier or it would be a criminal violation.
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  It's just like with sheriff Darleaf and I, we're talking, we're teaching law classes, we often reference this. If a sheriff grabs somebody and says, hey,
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  I want you to watch my squad car while I run after this guy.
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  And don't let anybody drive it away. If you don't do that in every state in America,
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  that's a criminal violation.
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  You tell
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  Unknown: tell sheriff Daugherty got some real good presses on Alex Jones
• 2:04:18
  with that guy from Overstreet this week talking about him releasing
• 2:04:22
  some documents to congress Oh, on the election stuff. So I just wanted to make sure he you knew that.
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  Unknown: Well, know. And I didn't know that most recent one, but I know sheriff Darr is at the forefront of has been of election fraud. But sheriff Darr, I like to have him with me while I teach and while he he he brings I just we bring he brings things up that are practical and useful, and the sheriff's office is fundamental to our common law tradition. Mhmm. Well, any rate, sheriff Darr and I point this out.
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  Same thing was true in the Roman Empire
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  respecting a Roman Ligonier.
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  And so the Roman lead the Roman soldier, the Ligonier, went up and grabbed this fella off the sidelines that was watching Jesus
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  Christ,
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  observing the public spectacle of his humiliation.
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  He grabbed him and said, you carry this.
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  Now it appears clear to me that he referenced it in the Sermon on the Mount and he's talking about it here.
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  Now I am not going to be crucified for the sins of the world. No. I'm a sinner. That ain't gonna happen. Well, what's he talking about? Well, there's a word here and I translate it most of the translations say follows me.
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  But I always translate it
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  follows the same roadway as me.
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  Because the word, the Greek word doesn't just mean to follow.
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  It stresses that you're following the same roadway. Of course, you say, well, if you're following somebody,
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  you are following the same roadway. Yeah. That's true. But I want them this is a special word. It has a special meaning. It stresses a special thing. I wanna stress that in English. The only way I can do it is to compound make a compound word out of it.
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  Well, we
• 2:06:05
  are called Christians. Why are we called Christians? Well, it just happens to be a label that landed on us in the book of Acts.
• 2:06:11
  But what does it mean? What it really means, it's a diminutive, and it means Christ to follow
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  Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ says that a lot.
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  Follow
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  me. Yeah. I'm not him.
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  I'm not I can't claim his office. Roger, did you want to say something? No. I said, yes. Go ahead.
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  But I am required
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  to be back of him.
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  You know, if somebody said the 12 man jury that Jesus Christ impaneled
• 2:06:39
  to witness the evidence of his identity as the god man,
• 2:06:43
  and they did.
• 2:06:44
  But it seems like when you read the gospel records, he's walking along, and they're right behind him. And every time he turns around, he runs into him and said, woah. Excuse me. You know? Because they're always just right there right there, and they're watching
• 2:06:58
  the living word of god
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  Unknown: flesh out and obey the law of god. That's really what it's all about. That's just a confirmation of everything Yeah. That they would follow that closely and be that fastidious
• 2:07:10
  about everything that was happening. Yes.
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  Unknown: And by the way, Roger, I
• 2:07:16
  like these interactions because it brings up what god wants for true teaching.
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  A true teacher
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  according to god who teaches God's law. And Roger, you made a little point a while ago and I wanted to flesh it out a little bit.
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  Say, well, we have legal things that are legal words and non legal words. The truth is
• 2:07:37
  there's nothing in life that is not a matter of law, nothing,
• 2:07:42
  because everything in God's creation operates
• 2:07:45
  according to his preset laws
• 2:07:48
  in detail and you can't avoid it. And it is true. There are legal terms, but truly all of life, every man has to be a lawyer to the degree that he keeps himself alive and doesn't isn't stupid enough to violate the laws of nature and get himself killed. We we live by them all day every day, and these are God's laws.
• 2:08:09
  But the
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  the
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  following
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  of Jesus Christ is what it's about. Now if we're gonna follow Jesus Christ,
• 2:08:18
  we're going to suffer in a very small way
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  what he suffered.
• 2:08:23
  And this is a theme throughout the Bible as well.
• 2:08:26
  Jesus Christ said, do not be amazed, friends,
• 2:08:30
  if the rest of the world hates you.
• 2:08:33
  They hate you Yeah. Because they hate me. Yeah. And they hate you because I have
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  chosen you
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  out
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  of the world. Well, that means I didn't choose them.
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  I chose you
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  out.
• 2:08:51
  And they are envious.
• 2:08:54
  Now, if there's anything I've learned in life, people are envious of God's people.
• 2:08:58
  And it's weird. It's it's
• 2:09:00
  weird, beyond weird. And the things that you think, well, I can testify to this. The thing there's just people you got to get away from or you'll be destroyed.
• 2:09:09
  Amen. And as the Bible says, it comes down to envy.
• 2:09:12
  Envy.
• 2:09:14
  Envy always, given enough time, it will result in murder according to the Bible.
• 2:09:19
  And the Bible says in the Old Testament
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  rhetorically,
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  who can stand against
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  envy?
• 2:09:27
  Answer,
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  nobody.
• 2:09:30
  That's why once you discern
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  envy,
• 2:09:33
  you clear out. And I'll tell you, friends, frankly, not to be you don't need to be paranoid.
• 2:09:39
  Just know when Jesus Christ said, who are my mother, my sisters, my brothers, and said that later in Matthew 10,
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  those that are closest to you, even your own family,
• 2:09:49
  will be your haters.
• 2:09:50
  That
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  is true.
• 2:09:53
  I've learned that in life. I pass along my testimony to you. Doesn't mean I'm to be a hater,
• 2:09:59
  but it means that if I'm gonna stay alive and God wants me to preserve the gift of life as long as I can,
• 2:10:04
  I don't despise the gift he gave to me? And to despise the gift and say, oh, I wanna be murdered or some silly demonic thing like that, martyrdom does not get you salvation.
• 2:10:16
  Don't don't go there. That's that's paganism. That's Islam. That's Japanese Shintoism.
• 2:10:21
  They all wanted to die. And they're all lot of and Christianity got to that point and still is. Martyr martyrdom is salvation. No. No. Thousand times no. Don't worry about martyrdom.
• 2:10:34
  Don't try to be a martyr. Don't try to get a martyr's crown. What's that, Roger? Oh, we just saw tens of millions of people doing that just last week. Oh,
• 2:10:43
  well, just a minute. I'll finish this sentence, and I want I want you to tell me about it. It like John Wycliffe said to his 70
• 2:10:51
  followers, his students there at Oxford,
• 2:10:54
  he said, don't go looking for a murder's crown.
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  If you just
• 2:11:00
  read the Bible out loud,
• 2:11:03
  you'll find a murder's crown soon It'll
• 2:11:06
  find you. You don't yeah. You don't have to go looking for it. They'll come after you, and God will destroy them. He will destroy them. And I'm saying that publicly to those that are stupid enough to go after God's people. You're gonna be destroyed.
• 2:11:20
  I hope God gets ahold of you and gives you the new birth,
• 2:11:23
  or otherwise you'll be destroyed. He'll play with you like a cat plays with a mouse. He'll make it look like you're winning, and then he'll drop the hammer on you. Yeah. Just to show
• 2:11:32
  that he's not in a hurry and he plays with his enemies and then he
• 2:11:37
  terminally destroys them like he did the 10 gods of the pantheon of Egypt, one at a time. He lines them up and knocks them down.
• 2:11:47
  Well,
• 2:11:47
  They're going through that right now. One day at a time, they're getting exposed on something important. Oh, I see your point about that. Yes. And rest assured, it's gonna happen, but god will not oh, I gotta finish this, Roger. Please. Okay. No. Go ahead. Please. I gotta I wanna finish this verse because I talk too much and I don't get to the point.
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  You're gonna suffer if you're a Christian man, diminutive. That means you follow him. You're not him. You're not to be sacrificed for the sins of the world, but you will suffer
• 2:12:14
  and you will rejoice
• 2:12:16
  and be happy about it. Just like Jesus Christ says in Matthew chapter five, when these things happen to you and you're hated of all men,
• 2:12:26
  rejoice,
• 2:12:27
  and it says leap for joy in the Greek text,
• 2:12:30
  for great is your reward in heaven.
• 2:12:33
  You'll always be a happy man, and that's what makes
• 2:12:36
  envy worse than anything in the world, that you're a happy man or woman no matter what. Stand it.
• 2:12:43
  And, Brian, I've told the story about Billy Bray,
• 2:12:47
  the Cornishman. He was a Cornishman, and he got popular. And queen Victoria, they call her queen Vic, loved Billy Bray.
• 2:12:54
  So Billy Bray would be out in the street preaching.
• 2:12:57
  Well, people got tired of him, wanted to shut him up because he just you know, after a while, you don't wanna hear it if you're around him.
• 2:13:03
  And
• 2:13:04
  so here come the Bobbies to arrest him.
• 2:13:08
  And they grabbed him by the arms, and he and even while they had him by the arms, he just kept preaching.
• 2:13:13
  And
• 2:13:14
  and finally, one of them said, Bray, we're gonna stick you in a barrel and nail a head down.
• 2:13:21
  He said, fine. Fine. Go ahead. And he said, if you do,
• 2:13:25
  I'll poke out the bung and holler through the hole.
• 2:13:29
  And he said, when I walk down the streets of London,
• 2:13:33
  I put one foot down and it says, 'Hallelujah,'
• 2:13:36
  and I put the other foot down and it says, 'Amen,'
• 2:13:39
  and this goes on all day long.
• 2:13:43
  That's what God will do to men and women and for them. And the circumstances won't matter anymore because you know that you're the winner, and God is destroying his enemies all day every day, and he'll get to yours. He's playing with them right now. Don't worry about
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  Well, Roger, yeah, go ahead.
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  Unknown: Well, I was just gonna say I don't I think I heard someone say it's the largest largest demonstration
• 2:14:07
  on the death of somebody of that stature in history.
• 2:14:11
  I don't know the exact count.
• 2:14:13
  Some people say hundreds of thousands, others say millions.
• 2:14:17
  Some say that, you know, the situation there, the guy they were commemorating here, the one that was killed in the initial strikes,
• 2:14:24
  well, it's his son
• 2:14:26
  that's now ruling the country.
• 2:14:28
  And his son, as opposed to him, the big spiritual leader,
• 2:14:33
  his son
• 2:14:34
  had identified more with the Iranian
• 2:14:37
  guard
• 2:14:38
  and
• 2:14:39
  more militaristic
• 2:14:40
  and this and that and the other. And they said some people say that if they were told if they didn't get out and demonstrate
• 2:14:47
  that they they closed their business or whatever they were doing.
• 2:14:51
  Mhmm. And, but, yes, millions
• 2:14:54
  millions of demonstration in the streets,
• 2:14:57
  and the whole thing is a martyrdom deal.
• 2:15:00
  He's on alright. If he died, as long as he died
• 2:15:04
  in the execution or proliferation
• 2:15:07
  of this conflict. So Only in Christianity
• 2:15:11
  Unknown: does our god
• 2:15:13
  die for us. In all other all of us Babylonian,
• 2:15:17
  you die for your God. You suffer for your God. Now the Bible says that we'll suffer, but it's not we're not suffering for our God. Now the context of this verse, take up your cross and follow me. Let me read the verse before 35.
• 2:15:31
  For in fact, said Jesus Christ
• 2:15:33
  well, let's read 34.
• 2:15:35
  You all should not think
• 2:15:37
  that I came
• 2:15:40
  to cast God arranged right peace upon the land.
• 2:15:44
  I came not to throw altogether into wholeness, but rather I came with a dagger sword.
• 2:15:51
  For in fact, this Jesus Christ talking,
• 2:15:54
  I came to cleave apart a man down on his father
• 2:15:58
  and a daughter down on her mother
• 2:16:01
  and a daughter-in-law down on her mother-in-law.
• 2:16:04
  And the man's haters
• 2:16:07
  the Christian man's haters are his own household.
• 2:16:11
  And the man being fond for father or mother above betterment for me, said Jesus Christ,
• 2:16:17
  is not worthy of me. And the man being fond for son or daughter above me and my betterment,
• 2:16:24
  this is from the winterized version,
• 2:16:27
  is not worthy of me. And then he says, verse 38, the verse we're talking about. So what this is all about? This is not
• 2:16:35
  taking up your gibbet,
• 2:16:37
  your timber,
• 2:16:38
  your instrument of execution and following the same roadway back of me is not worthy of me. These things are gonna happen. It's gonna come right down to your family.
• 2:16:48
  I'm not saying it will in every case, but he says it that this this happens.
• 2:16:52
  You them hating you and get throwing you out. If you're over there in sand land
• 2:16:59
  and you say you're a Christian,
• 2:17:01
  they'll try to kill you.
• 2:17:03
  I've talked to men. It's happened to. They fled.
• 2:17:06
  And you you do that in ancient Israel among the Babylonian Jews, they'll try to kill you.
• 2:17:13
  They'll throw you out economically.
• 2:17:15
  They'll try to starve you to death. They did this you see this in the gospel records of the New Testament.
• 2:17:20
  Jesus Christ,
• 2:17:22
  why did they kill him? The Bible says why they killed him.
• 2:17:26
  They did it out
• 2:17:28
  of
• 2:17:30
  envy.
• 2:17:31
  That's it. Envy.
• 2:17:32
  Well, what did he have anything? No. He didn't own anything. He didn't even have a pillow to lay his head on, the Bible says, but they were envious of him. Why? Because
• 2:17:42
  he had the truth and they knew. They knew they didn't have it. And they couldn't even though they knew the truth, they were apostate,
• 2:17:51
  they said, I spit on it. They said, I don't want it.
• 2:17:55
  That's called apostasy,
• 2:17:56
  the unforgivable sin, to be fully enlightened by the spirit of God
• 2:18:01
  and then say, don't want it. And if there's anybody listening right now and says, wow, maybe I committed the unforgivable sin. No. No. If you want the truth,
• 2:18:10
  that's proof that you never committed the unforgivable sin. There are a lot of people that reject the truth that have not been enlightened of the mind by the spirit of God and the new birth. Paul the apostle was one of them. He said, when I was murdering Christians,
• 2:18:25
  robbing them of their property, throwing them in jail,
• 2:18:29
  I thought,
• 2:18:31
  I really thought I was serving God as a Jew.
• 2:18:35
  But then the spirit of God enlightened me, knocked I'd said this last week. I know I've I'm you've all heard this. Knock me out of the saddle.
• 2:18:43
  Read it. Acts chapter nine on the Damascus Road. Knocked him out of the saddle,
• 2:18:49
  blinded him,
• 2:18:50
  and gave him the new birth. Put him on the ground, put his nose, put his nostrils in the dirt.
• 2:18:56
  That's what it takes.
• 2:18:58
  That's how bad it is. But we've got to, under well, God will enlighten us to accept these things.
• 2:19:05
  Unknown: Yes. He will. I would say he was serving god. It was just the little g.
• 2:19:10
  Unknown: The wrong one, you're saying. Right? Yep. Yep. Yep. That's good. That's exactly right. I agree with you, Roger. Everybody
• 2:19:16
  well, who was it? Even the pagan, the pagan Jew. What was his name?
• 2:19:21
  Famous
• 2:19:22
  rock and roll folk singer.
• 2:19:24
  Unknown: Oh, Dylan. Bob Dylan. Zimmerman.
• 2:19:27
  Zimmerman.
• 2:19:28
  Unknown: Yeah. You gotta he the song. You gotta serve somebody. Yeah. Is he right? Yeah. He was right about that. You're going to worship some Mhmm. Something,
• 2:19:37
  somebody Mhmm. And you will whether it be a created thing or the creator or yourself or whatever. I Something.
• 2:19:44
  Unknown: I saw him say on sixty Minutes, he cut a deal with the big guy.
• 2:19:49
  I heard him say it. Okay. You can go on YouTube and find it. I guarantee you.
• 2:19:55
  Well, you can't be that famous and have that much. What's that, Roger? Go ahead. No. I was just gonna ask Jerry if that answered his question. You know, that's the problem around here. You ask a short question. You get this.
• 2:20:06
  Very in-depth answer.
• 2:20:09
  Unknown: Well, I I used, but see, Jerry. Yes. I got Jerry? Jerry. Go ahead. I got most of it. Thank you. Okay. Well, Jerry Jerry Jerry, tell me this. I I I'm trying to figure out how to get points across constantly.
• 2:20:23
  Do you think you got a point out of that? Did I make a point of the interpretation of that verse or not?
• 2:20:30
  Unknown: Yes. By reading the verse before
• 2:20:33
  by my family because I've been through that.
• 2:20:37
  Because I've been through that. My family,
• 2:20:39
  my sons and daughters,
• 2:20:42
  my son tried to kill me two years back. Of course Why? He was on drugs. I don't blame the drugs on him
• 2:20:53
  Uh-huh. Because I told him to stop doing drugs.
• 2:20:57
  Unknown: Yeah. Are you and you're a Christian man? Is that the way I'm understanding
• 2:21:03
  Unknown: I'm a follower of the most high. Yes,
• 2:21:06
  sir.
• 2:21:07
  Unknown: Are you a bible believer? I'm I'm
• 2:21:11
  Unknown: I am a bible believer.
• 2:21:14
  Unknown: I read the bible. How would you, right, how would you describe yours? I'm more into yo.
• 2:21:19
  Uh-huh. Go ahead.
• 2:21:21
  Unknown: I'm more into
• 2:21:24
  Christ living within me,
• 2:21:27
  the word being
• 2:21:29
  living within
• 2:21:31
  me
• 2:21:32
  to to show
• 2:21:34
  the man that I work around
• 2:21:38
  how
• 2:21:40
  I should
• 2:21:41
  you should
• 2:21:43
  present yourself before God.
• 2:21:45
  Unknown: Being a positive example. Being
• 2:21:49
  Unknown: a positive example is exactly what.
• 2:21:52
  Most of you know, because they're, I mean, all day long, I heard nothing but cuss words
• 2:21:58
  about
• 2:21:59
  woman this and woman that. And I said, hey, dude. Come on, man.
• 2:22:03
  Unknown: Where did you what did you do? Are you are you are you still working?
• 2:22:10
  Unknown: Yes, sir.
• 2:22:11
  Unknown: What do you do?
• 2:22:13
  I
• 2:22:15
  Unknown: am an
• 2:22:17
  electrician in the oil field.
• 2:22:20
  Unknown: Oh, no. And you're near a new you're in New Mexico. In the New Mexico oil field?
• 2:22:26
  Unknown: Yeah. The the Delaware Basin. Yes, sir. Carlsbad.
• 2:22:30
  Unknown: So okay. So that's kinda
• 2:22:33
  yeah. So that's we some people call that little Texas there because all the oil fields are there.
• 2:22:39
  Right?
• 2:22:40
  Unknown: Right.
• 2:22:41
  Unknown: Yeah. No. I know that country. Well Yes. Know. You you a bible. Believe in
• 2:22:47
  Unknown: reading
• 2:22:51
  the book reading.
• 2:22:52
  Because unlike you, like you said earlier in John one one,
• 2:22:56
  that when he came,
• 2:22:58
  Jesus
• 2:23:00
  in the beginning was the word,
• 2:23:02
  and the word was
• 2:23:04
  with God,
• 2:23:06
  and the word was God.
• 2:23:09
  Okay. The word would be Jesus Christ.
• 2:23:12
  Unknown: Yes.
• 2:23:13
  Okay. So did you grow
• 2:23:16
  thank you, Jerry. I don't wanna cut you off with the delay here. I'm sorry. But I'll try to keep that in mind. But did you grow up there? No.
• 2:23:26
  Unknown: I grew up in Texas.
• 2:23:27
  Unknown: A Catholic. Okay. Poor blood
• 2:23:31
  Okay. Are you do you speak Spanish?
• 2:23:36
  Unknown: Jerry? I speak I understand it real good,
• 2:23:40
  but my tongue gets in the way of my brain when I'm speaking.
• 2:23:44
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Jerry. Now listen, Jerry. I want you to tell me
• 2:23:48
  you grew up in the Roman system. Is that right?
• 2:23:53
  Unknown: Right. The Roman Catholic church.
• 2:23:56
  Unknown: Yeah. How did you what what
• 2:23:58
  describe how you got out of that. What happened?
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  Unknown: Well, okay.
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  So
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  my mother sent us to
• 2:24:09
  Dodrina
• 2:24:11
  Catholic school
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  until, you know, until, like,
• 2:24:15
  like, you know, rebellious.
• 2:24:18
  When I was about 14, I said, you know what, dad?
• 2:24:23
  You don't know what you're talking about.
• 2:24:25
  You don't know anything about me.
• 2:24:28
  And then I left when I was 14 years old from my dad's house. I had it made. He paid the electric. He paid the water. He paid the gas. I had it made, but I didn't know I had it made.
• 2:24:39
  So at that time, I left everything. I don't wanna be a Catholic no more. I don't wanna be a
• 2:24:45
  I don't wanna be in your household no more, dad.
• 2:24:48
  I have I have eight brothers,
• 2:24:56
  six older
• 2:24:59
  and no, I'm I'm sorry. Five older and three younger.
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  And
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  the older ones were were twins and I saw my dad at the time he treated
• 2:25:12
  the older ones, the twins,
• 2:25:14
  growing up, you know, when I was born,
• 2:25:17
  '61.
• 2:25:20
  But anyway, I that's how I got out. I just said, you know, I had enough. And then I went into the drug scene. I was a prodigal son.
• 2:25:28
  But my dad didn't give me all the all the money, you know, because, you know, we weren't we weren't broke, but we were rich.
• 2:25:36
  But, anyway, I took off and
• 2:25:39
  then I I started. I said, you know what? I dropped out of school.
• 2:25:44
  And
• 2:25:45
  I said, you know what, man? I'm I'm going down the wrong path here.
• 2:25:50
  But anyway, so I reentered school. And
• 2:25:54
  about the
• 2:25:55
  ninth or tenth grade in another city.
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  And I moved in with my older brother.
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  And
• 2:26:03
  I started doing the drug scene, you know, the drinking and drug and womanizing.
• 2:26:10
  And
• 2:26:12
  when I was about 20,
• 2:26:14
  I don't know, 21,
• 2:26:16
  22,
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  I took a bunch of of what
• 2:26:22
  they call, at that time, yellow sunshine pills, black mollies,
• 2:26:27
  speed.
• 2:26:28
  And
• 2:26:29
  I drank about two
• 2:26:32
  fifth of whiskey.
• 2:26:34
  And boy, I thought I was
• 2:26:37
  I was a man, you know.
• 2:26:40
  And then all of a sudden, something grabbed me
• 2:26:44
  from my I got a I had a Afro. I have then I had a big old Afro.
• 2:26:49
  You know? Anyway, something grabbed me by my big old Afro and lifted me up.
• 2:26:54
  And said, you know what, boy? If you don't straighten up,
• 2:26:58
  you're gonna go where you don't wanna go and then just drop
• 2:27:02
  it to the ground.
• 2:27:04
  Well, I woke up about two days later and I said, man, the heck? What happened to me?
• 2:27:11
  And then little by little,
• 2:27:15
  I started seeing this light
• 2:27:21
  shine everywhere everywhere except
• 2:27:23
  right where I was at.
• 2:27:28
  My wife, still my wife today
• 2:27:30
  at that time.
• 2:27:32
  We had a
• 2:27:34
  two year old, three year old daughter
• 2:27:38
  And I
• 2:27:42
  went looking for my wife. She wasn't at home. So I went looking everywhere, looking for her. And all I saw was a light.
• 2:27:48
  And my brother-in-law,
• 2:27:51
  my wife's sister's husband, was a taxi
• 2:27:56
  bible reader.
• 2:27:57
  Okay.
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  I stopped at this
• 2:28:02
  the the light
• 2:28:05
  drove me he lived about two miles from where I lived at in my house.
• 2:28:10
  And I was just sitting there in the house and just no light.
• 2:28:15
  All this thing all these things going through my head, like, you're gonna die. You're gonna do this. You're gonna do that.
• 2:28:22
  And the lights said, get up, get in your truck, and drive.
• 2:28:26
  So I got in my truck, and I drove. It led me to the stop sign
• 2:28:31
  a mile down the road,
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  and then
• 2:28:35
  looked to the left.
• 2:28:37
  So I looked to the left and there was this big old shining bright light.
• 2:28:42
  And
• 2:28:43
  so I just would just go to that light. So I went to that light, and it was my brother in law's house.
• 2:28:49
  But I'm talking about it,
• 2:28:50
  than the sun.
• 2:28:53
  And it was only me on this road in that truck.
• 2:28:58
  And so I went over there and knocked on that on his door, and I saw him look through the window looking like, what the fuck is that? Who is that who is that demon possessed looking curly headed nappy
• 2:29:10
  fella?
• 2:29:12
  And then my my sister-in-law got up there, and I could see her look at through the little blinds at the door. They wouldn't even open the door for me. You know?
• 2:29:21
  And I and I saw her looking. I think that's I think that's my my wife's name is Nelda.
• 2:29:27
  I could hear her say it through the door, and they had a
• 2:29:32
  it's still there. Their house is still there, but they they have a front door,
• 2:29:36
  the main door to the into the house, and then they have, like, a nook,
• 2:29:40
  you know, which is about a 12 by 20 foot,
• 2:29:44
  like a porch. And then they have a screen door. Well, I was knocking on the screen door and I could hear her
• 2:29:50
  loud as day. So I think that's Nildo's husband, Jerry.
• 2:29:54
  And my brother-in-law looked at it. No. No. That doesn't look like him.
• 2:29:59
  You know, I could hear him talking together
• 2:30:01
  through these
• 2:30:02
  through these
• 2:30:04
  walls, you know.
• 2:30:06
  And finally, he opened the door and came out to the other door and opened that door. What do you want? And I, you know, I
• 2:30:13
  whatever. I said, I'm looking for I'm looking for my wife. Where is she? I know she's here. Right. Demanding. I was making demand.
• 2:30:22
  No. She's not here. Come on in, he said. He said, come on in.
• 2:30:27
  What's what's the matter? What's wrong? And I'll tell you how it is.
• 2:30:31
  Because this is after I had woken up from all that
• 2:30:34
  all that boozing and
• 2:30:37
  and pill popping.
• 2:30:41
  And
• 2:30:43
  and and that was
• 2:30:45
  maybe
• 2:30:47
  19
• 2:30:50
  30
• 2:30:51
  somewhere in there.
• 2:30:54
  And he he said, ma'am,
• 2:30:56
  come on in. We sat down. No. She's not here. I don't know where she's at. Blah blah blah.
• 2:31:01
  Then he took out his bible.
• 2:31:03
  And then he took out another bible.
• 2:31:06
  And he handed me one and then his wife went and got her bible.
• 2:31:10
  And he said, hey, let's start reading.
• 2:31:13
  We we read Galatians
• 2:31:16
  four twelve.
• 2:31:21
  Four four twelve. Galatians four twelve is what come to mind.
• 2:31:25
  And
• 2:31:27
  since then, I'm just you know, I've been trying I've been since then,
• 2:31:34
  walking the path. Though I'm not I'm not a perfect man. I'm a I'm still a simple man.
• 2:31:42
  But if I Yeah.
• 2:31:44
  I Well if I do what God
• 2:31:47
  instructs me to do,
• 2:31:49
  my wife and I have six kids.
• 2:31:52
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 2:31:54
  Unknown: One of them Jeremiah
• 2:31:56
  is one my youngest boy, but he passed away. He had a motorcycle accident here in Colorado. When
• 2:32:04
  he had just turned he was born on my birthday,
• 2:32:07
  January 25, one
• 2:32:11
  hour after I was born.
• 2:32:13
  And
• 2:32:15
  he when he turned 18,
• 2:32:17
  which he would have been 26
• 2:32:22
  this past January.
• 2:32:26
  And, you know, that took a big toll on my
• 2:32:29
  wife and I and his family. Had to. Had to. Lord,
• 2:32:33
  you're you're the
• 2:32:36
  you're the driving force behind this. You know, it's not me.
• 2:32:40
  It's not my wife.
• 2:32:42
  It's not any other man.
• 2:32:46
  And but anyway, it's that's how I got out of my and I I don't say I got out of it, but that's how the Lord
• 2:32:53
  got me by my afro, picked me up,
• 2:32:56
  and knocked me down.
• 2:32:59
  Holy story, Jerry. Straighten up goods.
• 2:33:02
  You're gonna go there. Yeah. What You don't wanna go.
• 2:33:05
  And I don't wanna go there. Jerry?
• 2:33:07
  Unknown: No. I I
• 2:33:09
  don't wanna go there either. Jerry, so
• 2:33:11
  did you find a place to go to church, or do you just come here and listen, or what do you do you do anything on Sundays?
• 2:33:20
  Unknown: No. I I used to you know, we had that
• 2:33:24
  after that after that, you know, for
• 2:33:27
  about a week, two weeks after my brother-in-law because they had a what they had was a prayer group, a prayer home home meetings.
• 2:33:38
  Yeah. Right?
• 2:33:40
  Yeah.
• 2:33:42
  So and and they had several they had people from Lubbock would come,
• 2:33:47
  people from Slaton, Texas would come,
• 2:33:51
  Broad Ada,
• 2:33:53
  Kress,
• 2:33:53
  Tulia, they would come as far as Amarillo to
• 2:33:56
  gather in these home prayer meetings, they call
• 2:34:00
  Unknown: Wow.
• 2:34:01
  Unknown: So he invited me. He invited me. I never went, you know, for the first two or three weeks, but then after that, I started saying, man, something's going on.
• 2:34:09
  Anytime I would drink a beer, I would you know, I couldn't pour whiskey. I couldn't get a buzz. Anytime I would smoke marijuana,
• 2:34:17
  I couldn't get I couldn't get high.
• 2:34:20
  Anytime I I would take another pill, nothing, you know, and I you know what?
• 2:34:24
  This is a mess.
• 2:34:26
  I'm not I'm not doing that. Let's go. I've got my wife.
• 2:34:30
  My my
• 2:34:33
  he was my brother-in-law through my wife's
• 2:34:36
  sister.
• 2:34:38
  Uh-huh. So I got who's still my wife today.
• 2:34:42
  And I and we started going to the prayer meeting. So we went to those we had the they had those prayer meetings for well, they're still having them as far as I know.
• 2:34:52
  Uh-huh. But it was a a dispersion there for us.
• 2:34:56
  I don't know if you but, anyway,
• 2:34:58
  we went I started going to those prayer meetings, and I still have my that my same bible from
• 2:35:06
  from that time. Mhmm. Well,
• 2:35:08
  Unknown: town does he live in, Jerry? Jerry? What town does he live in? He lives
• 2:35:14
  Unknown: in San Angelo, Texas.
• 2:35:17
  Unknown: Oh, that's way down kinda south, isn't it?
• 2:35:21
  Yeah. That's San Angelo? Yeah. Southeast.
• 2:35:24
  Unknown: Yeah. From Carlsbad, that's east.
• 2:35:27
  Just kinda due east.
• 2:35:30
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. That's way well, halfway to halfway to San Antonio, isn't it?
• 2:35:36
  Unknown: Yeah. That's right. Yeah. It's a few miles from San Antonio. Yeah.
• 2:35:39
  Unknown: I get it. Well And it's about I'm glad you three three hundred three
• 2:35:44
  Unknown: hundred and something miles from me. But, anyway, that's how the lord got me out of that
• 2:35:49
  mess. I just started
• 2:35:51
  you
• 2:35:53
  know, I had no. I started going to these churches around here.
• 2:35:58
  You know,
• 2:35:59
  I I got into the they started, oh, you need to tithe more and you need to do this. And I said, no, man. I'm I I come here to listen to the word of God, not to see somebody beg for money.
• 2:36:11
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 2:36:12
  Know? Do you I was a broke Mexican at that time anyway.
• 2:36:16
  You were you say you were a broke Mexican?
• 2:36:20
  Yeah. To be tithing. Oh, I see. Yeah. Well, it's not you're not against tithing, are you, if a guy wants to tithe?
• 2:36:28
  No. No. No. Oh, but I get I get your point. Just begging all the time. I tell people for what it's worth. I said, look. If you want to support what we're doing, we're glad to have you. But if you can't do it and be happy about it and you if it's not irresistible
• 2:36:42
  to you to do it, I'd say don't do it because it'll just make you miserable. But the lord loveth the cheerful giver, the old famous verse. I believe it's true. And if you wanna do it, well, I appreciate you telling that story.
• 2:36:56
  Yeah. Appreciate it a lot. And stories as somebody says.
• 2:37:01
  Uh-huh. Go ahead.
• 2:37:03
  Unknown: I go back to
• 2:37:04
  the rich man and Lazarus.
• 2:37:07
  Uh-huh. You know, that rich man, he was filthy rich, and he wore a purple robe everywhere he went.
• 2:37:13
  And poor old Lazarus was just on the side of the road there just, you know, like, man.
• 2:37:18
  And he wouldn't even eat the the rich man wouldn't even throw the the crumb breads off of his table too.
• 2:37:25
  That the dog had to come and lick his swords to make him feel better.
• 2:37:29
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:37:31
  Yeah. That's a that's that's a vivid picture of a man without Jesus Christ. I that's the way I take it. And that they're nobody's exempt from being that they may look good on the outside, but they're like rotten pus on the inside, and they're trying to hide it. That's the way I feel about some of these churches. They they put up a front,
• 2:37:52
  Unknown: and they and then some of these speakers they're bringing in are total
• 2:37:57
  to me, they're more demons than they are speakers of the word.
• 2:38:01
  Unknown: I get it. I get it. Well, Jerry,
• 2:38:04
  I want do you do you listen to us on Saturdays and Sundays? I want to tell you about that.
• 2:38:10
  On Saturdays and Sundays Oh,
• 2:38:13
  okay. Well, you're tuned in. Well, not to say that I'm that I'm the guy you gotta listen to, but I
• 2:38:20
  if you I try to put out bible input. If you can get something out of it, I I'll let you know about it. But go ahead, Jerry.
• 2:38:28
  Unknown: Yeah. Even on even on Sundays,
• 2:38:31
  the archives.
• 2:38:33
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. I
• 2:38:36
  see what you're saying. Well, Jerry
• 2:38:39
  but thanks again for telling us. I think Roger appreciates it too. Yeah. I do. Thanks, Jerry. Yeah. And as they say,
• 2:38:46
  facts facts tell
• 2:38:49
  and stories sell.
• 2:38:51
  Yeah. And that was quite a story. I used to go on Saturday nights where I went to church in we're down LA
• 2:38:56
  and or Los Angeles area, San Fernando Valley, year forty some years, forty five years ago. And on every Sunday night in this church, they'd have baptism service, and they wouldn't baptize you until you told your story.
• 2:39:08
  And that people come out, stand there in the water waist deep, and they'd had a microphone there, and they'd tell their story.
• 2:39:14
  And they let the people that ran the deal would let them talk as long as they wanted.
• 2:39:19
  And I that was better entertainment than going to the movies to hear the stories. Yeah. When the story you just told was I was just thinking, oh, no. Now what? Now what's next? You know? Yeah.
• 2:39:30
  And then and then How
• 2:39:34
  Unknown: bad can he get? Here here's here's what's next, Brent. Okay. Here's what's next.
• 2:39:40
  Yeah. I have those two I have an older son that's a was a drug addict who get it cleaned out and I have it my youngest daughter
• 2:39:49
  that's a drug addict. Fentanyl,
• 2:39:52
  man. Hell. No. Anyway,
• 2:39:54
  three three years ago, my daughter
• 2:39:58
  had
• 2:39:59
  a baby.
• 2:40:01
  Alright? So my wife and I went to she had him in Albuquerque. She had to have him c section.
• 2:40:07
  But anyway, we went to
• 2:40:10
  she had him in Albuquerque. So we went to Albuquerque and
• 2:40:13
  every day, every day that the baby was in there and he came out addicted,
• 2:40:18
  you know, a drug addict baby.
• 2:40:21
  Yeah. Okay. So
• 2:40:23
  we took him. We got him. I'm raising him right now.
• 2:40:27
  So Oh. Three months ago,
• 2:40:31
  she was she had another baby three months ago.
• 2:40:36
  Alright? Uh-huh. And he came out drug addict.
• 2:40:39
  Well, CYFD,
• 2:40:43
  you know, we were everyday we were going to the
• 2:40:46
  hospital. He was born March.
• 2:40:48
  So March January.
• 2:40:50
  March, April, May, June. So he's gonna be four months. But anyway,
• 2:40:55
  oh, he is four months. He's four months now because we're the 20.
• 2:40:59
  But anyway, so
• 2:41:01
  when he was born,
• 2:41:03
  we were going every day, you know, when I could get off work. I gave him on Friday, go to Albuquerque,
• 2:41:10
  visit with they let us into the
• 2:41:13
  to see the baby.
• 2:41:15
  They had my daughter isolated. They wouldn't let her see my daughter in the hospital
• 2:41:20
  because of her addiction,
• 2:41:21
  you know, her drug addiction. Anyway
• 2:41:24
  Uh-huh. But we could see the baby. So my wife and I went over there to see the baby, see the baby. We were thinking the whole time we were there, CYFP,
• 2:41:32
  which is child protective custody.
• 2:41:35
  You know, they they would go over there and talk to them, oh, you're the grandparents and la la la la la Right?
• 2:41:41
  Mhmm. And
• 2:41:42
  it's boy, I got some stories. But anyway,
• 2:41:46
  Unknown: I'm not up to my rent. Yeah. I've got but, anyway You you you you got some stories. That that's a fact. No. Go ahead.
• 2:41:53
  Unknown: So, anyway, when the when the
• 2:41:56
  when we were gonna go up there we were gonna go up there April,
• 2:42:02
  And I think it was like the second week of April or something like that
• 2:42:06
  because we had just gone on April 4 and then the next week we're gonna go back up there.
• 2:42:11
  Well, the hospital, CYFD,
• 2:42:13
  called
• 2:42:14
  my wife
• 2:42:16
  and said, you are not allowed
• 2:42:19
  to see this baby. You are not going to come over here to this vicinity to the hospital in Albuquerque,
• 2:42:26
  which is four hour drive from us, four and a half hour drive from us.
• 2:42:30
  Yeah. I said, you are not allowed, you or your husband do not come over here. Oh, I'm like, what? What?
• 2:42:37
  So
• 2:42:38
  I said, so I started asking questions. What's what's going on? What's what's the problem? What happened? And this and that. No. Yeah. Y'all are gonna have to be y'all are gonna have to adopt this grandchild if y'all wanna even see
• 2:42:50
  adopt him. I said, is my grandson.
• 2:42:53
  I'm not gonna adopt no no grandson of mine.
• 2:42:57
  Alright. So they sent see why they came over to my house. We need to set up an appointment
• 2:43:02
  to see if y'all qualify
• 2:43:05
  to be responsible
• 2:43:06
  to take care
• 2:43:08
  of this baby. Alright?
• 2:43:10
  Well, the the agent came over to my house and started asking me all these questions. And
• 2:43:16
  she said, well,
• 2:43:17
  we have here on record that you tried to kill a a police officer in Silver City, New Mexico. I said, what?
• 2:43:24
  We
• 2:43:25
  have
• 2:43:28
  have a
• 2:43:29
  on here on record that you were arrested for DWI. Said, what? I don't even drink smoke cusser.
• 2:43:37
  For a Jew. And I and
• 2:43:39
  Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And
• 2:43:42
  so it was all on me. And I said, nuh-uh. You're wrong. You you got something wrong here.
• 2:43:48
  This was this
• 2:43:51
  was in April, the first week of April when we tried to make us adopt him or
• 2:43:59
  qualify for some type of license
• 2:44:03
  for daycare. Mhmm.
• 2:44:05
  Mhmm. Well, that agent
• 2:44:07
  got my wife in there,
• 2:44:09
  y'all, you're clean, you don't have nothing on your record.
• 2:44:12
  I said, what? What do you mean? You got all this on me and that's not even me,
• 2:44:17
  and you don't have nothing on her.
• 2:44:19
  No, no, no, I'm just saying. And they didn't.
• 2:44:23
  They had me in there for almost an hour,
• 2:44:27
  and my wife was only in there for two minutes.
• 2:44:30
  So
• 2:44:32
  that agent went back to her office.
• 2:44:36
  She called me a liar right there to my face and my wife said, what?
• 2:44:40
  Know, said, I'm lying. And I said, look, lady, You you got me confused with somebody you think you know because you don't know this Mexican.
• 2:44:49
  And anyway Mhmm. So the next
• 2:44:52
  this was on a Friday.
• 2:44:55
  And the next Monday, I had police officers at my door. I had
• 2:44:59
  TYFD at my door. I had
• 2:45:03
  and I got the video. I took videos on this.
• 2:45:08
  That they because they were gonna try to take my three year old grandson
• 2:45:12
  away from
• 2:45:18
  everybody Holy moly. My daughter daughter is a my
• 2:45:22
  daughter is a
• 2:45:23
  the my daughter who has the baby, his name is Opie. My daughter who has Opie right now is a paralegal.
• 2:45:31
  Uh-huh.
• 2:45:33
  Okay? But just a a Uh-huh. Paralegal.
• 2:45:37
  Okay?
• 2:45:38
  Mhmm. She was there and she was crying. My wife was crying, and I'm taking video and I'm standing these people off,
• 2:45:45
  like, you know, get off of my property, people.
• 2:45:49
  Mhmm. The police officers are looking at me like,
• 2:45:53
  yeah. This
• 2:45:56
  it wasn't the original agent, it was a different agent that came over to my house to cut it, steal my three year old grandson away from me.
• 2:46:04
  Mhmm. That police officer looking at that dummy, that
• 2:46:09
  child protective custody said, you know what, dude? You better you better get off of this man's property.
• 2:46:15
  Just the just the look on the space. You know?
• 2:46:19
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 2:46:20
  Unknown: But then
• 2:46:21
  I just Well
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  Unknown: Oh, yeah. But Prayer and prayer.
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  So what happened to the girl?
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  You
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  I didn't I didn't catch that.
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  Your granddaughter. Quit your The little one.
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  The little one that they that they said you had to adopt.
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  Unknown: No. He was a boy. It's a boy, Oakland. Oh. My daughter is the one that had him. My youngest daughter is the one that had him.
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  Unknown: Oh, where is he now? You got him now? They are
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  Unknown: no. He's he's about three blocks four blocks away from me
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  and my daughter's at that paralegal Oh. House. And my my son-in-law is a police officer for the city.
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  Oh.
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  Unknown: Oh, and you're talking about the city of Carlsbad car the town of Carlsbad. Right.
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  Unknown: My son-in-law is a police officer and for for sixteen years, he's been working since he got
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  out of high school.
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  Uh-huh. And
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  that's my son-in-law. He's a police officer. My daughter
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  married him.
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  And so yeah. They have four boys. Now they have my grandson, Oakley, but
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  here's the thing. When they when my daughter my daughter qualified for adoption. Right?
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  My other daughter, not the baby's
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  mother.
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  The CYFD said your parents are not allowed over here to your house.
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  They're not allowed to come over here and watch the baby.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  Unknown: This is what see, this is what the child protective custody is telling me.
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  So I called the governor.
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  I called the
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  called the lieutenant governor. I called the attorney general.
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  I called the state representative.
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  Mhmm.
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  Well, it from 2025
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  I'm sorry. From 2024,
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  August
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  2024
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  to
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  Janu
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  January
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  I'm sorry.
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  Yeah.
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  All of January 2025.
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  Or so to to January
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  2026,
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  CYFD
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  murdered murdered
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  over 14
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  infant children.
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  And they're telling me, well, I got all this on. And the attorney general of New Mexico filed a massive lawsuit
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  on CYFD
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  for a bunch of these infant, not just infants, but other children too.
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  Those are just Mhmm. 14 infants
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  that were murdered
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  through child protected custody
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  services.
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  Mhmm. Mhmm. And I'm telling this to the governor. I'm telling this to the attorney general. I'm turning this to the I got it all right here on
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  to the state representatives that would listen to me. None of them
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  not even they don't even
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  someone would try to help you, and then they pass it off to somebody else.
• 2:49:34
  Yeah. And then they pass it off to somebody else. But anyway,
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  Unknown: enough enough So how many grand I'm good. Yeah. Well, how many God many grandchildren how
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  Unknown: many grandchildren do you have? I have I have I have fifteen and one great grandson.
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  Unknown: How old are you?
• 2:49:53
  Unknown: 65.
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  Unknown: Well, God's blessing you.
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  He's blessing you. Oh, man. God bless you. In the midst in the midst of the madness. Yeah. He's blessing you. And that's what he promises. Well, again, thank you. I want to hear your Jerry.
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  Unknown: Yeah. I of course, he'd call in, drive it back and forth to Albuquerque
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  during that. So we've heard a little bit of it, but to have the whole picture today. Thanks, Jerry. Lot of sacrifice,
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• 2:50:23
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• 2:50:25
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• 2:50:40
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• 2:53:00
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