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Cops dig under suburban fire pit, find human remains & Female doctor blinded, brain dead after horrific rape · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one thirty two. It's a so called ordinary
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Speaker 1: neighborhood on a so called ordinary street, tree lined with
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Speaker 1: cars parked along the sides, occasionally children playing ball in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the street. Except for one thing. Human
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Speaker 1: remains found buried in a Florida backyard. I Meancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: They're in Florida in the Shadow of Disney. The remains
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Speaker 1: of a human body have been found in a fire
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Speaker 1: pit under a fire pit, as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: deep under a fire pit in a suburban backyard. What happened?
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this right now.
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Speaker 1: It's it's very mysterious and quite suspicious. Suspicious. Well, that's
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Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the pig, you know. Ashley Willcott
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Speaker 1: with me, judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Suspicious,
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Speaker 1: I think I would use maybe a different term because
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Speaker 1: if somebody dies accidentally, uh, they die of natural causes,
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Speaker 1: you don't rush in the cover of darkness to the backyard,
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Speaker 1: dig deep down under your fire pit and bury the body. Right.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's suspicious. I think it's criminals. So
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Speaker 1: that's that's exactly right. When you find bones under a firepit,
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Speaker 1: you've gotta be more than just suspicious. You gotta know
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Speaker 1: there's a crime. It's got to be a murder. There's
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Speaker 1: really no two ways about it. The other thing is,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the discovery of human remains. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know this is crazy. I don't know if this
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Speaker 1: ever happened to you. Also with me, Vincent Hill, private investigator,
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Speaker 1: former police officer. Vincent due to the nature of my
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Speaker 1: business prosecuting crime after crime after crime, literally handling about
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Speaker 1: I know this sounds crazy. Teno cases. By the time
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Speaker 1: you add up a hundred new felonies a week from
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Speaker 1: the grand jury at times four a month, times twelve
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Speaker 1: months a year, times ten years, it adds up. I
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Speaker 1: started having dreams not related to the cases I was trying,
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Speaker 1: of discovering a dead body and the strangest places like um,
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Speaker 1: going to a mall bathroom and there's a body in there,
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Speaker 1: or going out for a jog and there's a body,
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Speaker 1: or raking leaves and there's a body, and you start
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Speaker 1: dreaming these things. But did that ever happen to you?
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Speaker 1: It's still does to this date. There's still stuff that
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Speaker 1: I see. It's like, oh that brought back in memory
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Speaker 1: and I go to sleep and I dream about it.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it still happens. To this date. It still
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Speaker 1: happens to me too. See I don't think I don't
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Speaker 1: in my mind perceived that I think about it all
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Speaker 1: the time, but then I'll dream about it quite often.
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Speaker 1: So Vincent Hill, I guess it sticks with you. What
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Speaker 1: about it? Ask you, Wilcott. So, Nancy, when I take
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Speaker 1: my kids hiking, we love to look for things, right,
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Speaker 1: bugs and flowers and what do we see? And any
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Speaker 1: time that they see bone, it's like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: what is this? It looks like it might have been
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Speaker 1: a mouse or a squirrel or a rabbit or a deer.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine? So you're out and what do you find?
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Speaker 1: Human bones? So you're certainly going to find a skull
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Speaker 1: if nothing else to say, Oh my god, it's a person,
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Speaker 1: we know, Ashley, I don't know what kind of hikes
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Speaker 1: you're taking your children on because we usually look at
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Speaker 1: you know, leaves or um the spiderwebs, really go looking
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Speaker 1: for bones. That's a whole another take on Actually, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just store that away fro your knowledge
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Speaker 1: and my dew decimal system. But another thing is I
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Speaker 1: would really have to see like a human leg bone
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Speaker 1: or a rib cage put together all right, and it's
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Speaker 1: original state or a skull for me to realize, you know,
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Speaker 1: to the untrained eye that I'm looking at human remains.
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Speaker 1: But I guess you know, if you see a femur
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Speaker 1: or a skull or the bones together, if they are
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Speaker 1: still together, which in this scenario I believe that they were.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say my understanding as all the
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Speaker 1: bones were found under the fire pit, So you're right, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't just be one bone. It would be all
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Speaker 1: of the human bones from one body. And that would,
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Speaker 1: I think for all of us, would be a startling,
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Speaker 1: um uh, scary scary find. Yeah. I mean, it's not
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Speaker 1: like a Natalie Holloway alleged scenario where her bones had
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Speaker 1: been crushed and destroyed and mixed with other, for instance,
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Speaker 1: dog remains. That was the allegation in her case. So
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Speaker 1: you couldn't really tell what you were seeing. Um or
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Speaker 1: cases if you'll recall Tersa Hallback that her disappearance and
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Speaker 1: you know the photographer that was murdered by Stephen Avery
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Speaker 1: and Netflix making a murderer. Um her bones were were
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Speaker 1: burned and stirred up to a point where you couldn't
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Speaker 1: tell what you're seeing. But what I was trying to say,
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Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, forgive me, is that when you
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Speaker 1: find bones, most people, except for maybe you and I,
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Speaker 1: don't think that they're human bones. You find a bone,
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Speaker 1: you think somebody may be buried, their pet, or this
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Speaker 1: or that. So what stuck out to John Limley joining
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Speaker 1: US Crime Stories investigative reporter John who found human bones
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Speaker 1: under a fire pit in the backyard. See right there.
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Speaker 1: I find that a tiny bit odd. Why are you
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Speaker 1: digging under a fire pit for what? For instance, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't construction, They weren't putting laying out shrubs. Why are
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Speaker 1: you digging under a fire pit? Police have a very
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Speaker 1: good idea. Let's talk about the identity of the bones.
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Speaker 1: How did that process originate? I believe from a long
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Speaker 1: lost friend. Yes, Scott on a Tout was best friends
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Speaker 1: with Michael Shaver. Michael had moved from New York to Florida, UH,
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Speaker 1: several years before. They had been in contact a good
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Speaker 1: bit for a while, and then, like so many people,
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Speaker 1: they sort of stopped calling talking quite as much. They
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Speaker 1: got busy with their own lives. He hadn't heard from
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Speaker 1: Michael Shaver in quite some time, and he did chalk
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Speaker 1: it up to the fact that they were busy adults.
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Speaker 1: But when he hadn't heard from his buddy after a
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Speaker 1: few years, he thought, Okay, it's time to reach out.
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Speaker 1: And that's when he found out that Michael's friends and
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Speaker 1: family hadn't seen or heard anything of him in almost
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Speaker 1: three years. Scott said that one thing that really raised
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Speaker 1: his eyebrows, really raised his suspicion was the fact that
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Speaker 1: among those that hadn't seen Michael was his two kids.
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Speaker 1: Scott knew that as much as Michael loved his kids,
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Speaker 1: he would not just get up leave and never come back.
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Speaker 1: And that's and he decided it was high time to
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Speaker 1: reach out to deputies to check in on his old friend.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about that, um, Vincent Hill, former cop,
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Speaker 1: were you with Mentves or Nashville? Vincent never lack of
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Speaker 1: business for you and me? I guess, um, which is
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Speaker 1: good and bad? Vincent with some people, well, a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, maybe the majority of the population. Uh, they
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Speaker 1: don't show up somewhere. You go, ah man as my
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Speaker 1: daughter's yesth man. But there are other people like I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at Jackie Howard right now. She's rubbing her knee. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I guess you're gonna have knee surgery. And but she's
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Speaker 1: at work. Okay. Um, if I had woken up one
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Speaker 1: morning and my mom and dad didn't happen to be there,
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Speaker 1: will there be something very very wrong because that had
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Speaker 1: never happened before. Same thing with my husband. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: if I go Alan Duke and I don't hear his
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Speaker 1: voice pipe in immediately, I know some thing is wrong.
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Speaker 1: You know, there are some people they're like Big Ben,
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Speaker 1: you know what they're gonna do. They're dedicated to one
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Speaker 1: thing or another, and not showing up is totally a
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Speaker 1: red flag Vincent. I mean, there's I guess you can
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Speaker 1: divide the world into two types of people and ever
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Speaker 1: thought about it like this, the ones that show up
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Speaker 1: and the ones that flake out. That's right, Nancy. But
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Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about this. He was missing for
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Speaker 1: so long. No one had seen him for so long,
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Speaker 1: So I really questioned what was going on with the
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Speaker 1: other people in this life that didn't say anything about Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's totally weird. You know what, Jackie better
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Speaker 1: test my theory. Alan Duke, are you there? I'm here, okay,
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Speaker 1: all right, just making sure I got myself worried for
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Speaker 1: a moment. You know, you're right, Why why wasn't everybody
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Speaker 1: looking for him? Take a listen to this. Mr Shaver's
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Speaker 1: best friend called us and he informed us that he
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Speaker 1: had not heard from Mr Shaver in the last couple
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Speaker 1: of years at least, and he felt that that was
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Speaker 1: very unusual and out of character. That's the place, John Linley,
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories dot Com investigative reporter, What happened next? Investigators
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Speaker 1: after this call from Scott Almatuccio about Michael Shaver's well
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Speaker 1: just sort of vanishing, These investigators went to Michael Shaver's
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Speaker 1: home near Claremont. This is not too far away from Orlando.
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Speaker 1: They met with Michael's wife, Lorie, who said she hadn't
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Speaker 1: seen her husband since twenty Deputies say at first she
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Speaker 1: was very friendly. She invited them inside to talk. After
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Speaker 1: talking to her for a few minutes, though, the conversation
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Speaker 1: ended up making its way back outside. And it's just
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Speaker 1: about there that she stops talking, she stops being cooperative,
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Speaker 1: and she said she needed an attorney hold on right there.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, juvenal judge found her child Crime Watch dot Com. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: when somebody, for no reason, it's like the cop comes
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Speaker 1: up and says, hey, I think your is I think
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Speaker 1: your tag is you know, expired, and suddenly you hit
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Speaker 1: the gas at ninety m p h. Most people wouldn't
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Speaker 1: do that that say oh no, okay, I'm sorry please
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Speaker 1: don't give me a ticket that it's flight, it's it's
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Speaker 1: suggest wrongdoing. Where up to that point, you know, the
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Speaker 1: officer had no idea there's a dead body in the trunk.
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Speaker 1: But another thing immediately she the wife wants to law
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Speaker 1: your up. But they also noticed something very significant fresh
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Speaker 1: concrete near a fire pit in the backyard. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: she wants a lawyer and they see freshly poured concrete, ding,
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Speaker 1: ding ding. As soon as she said lawyer and started
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Speaker 1: to get uncooperative, then they think something nefarious as a foot.
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Speaker 1: But let me say this honestly, Nancy, how many times
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Speaker 1: do we see cold cases where twenty thirty years later
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Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out what happened That could be
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Speaker 1: one of these cases if she didn't act that way,
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Speaker 1: if she hadn't asked for a lawyer. So it was
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Speaker 1: a red flag and giveaway to say, wait, something's not
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Speaker 1: right here. So they notice the freshly poor concrete. The
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Speaker 1: wife suddenly, instead of being cooperative, refuses to speak, demands
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, and they call in the cadaver dogs to
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Speaker 1: John Limley listen to this kind of bond speaking to
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Speaker 1: her for a few minutes, the conversation ended up making
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Speaker 1: its way outside the home, at which time she stopped
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Speaker 1: being cooperative and she requested her attorney, Now, what can
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Speaker 1: you tell me, John Limley about the older sister? What
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Speaker 1: does what did she say about his disappearance? Well, she also,
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Speaker 1: just like Michael's friends Scott Amatuccio, she had had a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions about what not only his disappearance, but
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Speaker 1: what had been going on with Lorie end at the
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Speaker 1: house over these intervening years. One thing that she told
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Speaker 1: investigators is that Lori had remarried. That there was no
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Speaker 1: divorce that she knew of, but that Lorie had remarried,
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Speaker 1: and the wedding ceremony interestingly took place in the backyard,
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Speaker 1: not too far away from that suspicious fire pit. Ashley
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, she could have at least filed for a
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Speaker 1: divorce and when he didn't respond, get one a divorce
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Speaker 1: on her own. In this country, you don't have to
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Speaker 1: have the other person's consent to a divorce, and if
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Speaker 1: they don't respond to your filings. He published it in
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Speaker 1: the paper for X amount of months, in periodicals newspapers
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Speaker 1: that in the area where they were last known to be,
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Speaker 1: and if they don't answer, you get your divorce. Default.
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Speaker 1: It's like not showing up to a softball game. You
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Speaker 1: win because the other side didn't show up. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty brazen. That's a bad move. You know. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to be a how to manual for killers,
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Speaker 1: but you don't commit big and me in the eyes
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Speaker 1: of the law and then get married, you know, exchanging
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Speaker 1: your vows on the top of your fire pit with
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Speaker 1: your husband six ft under it. That's right, And she
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Speaker 1: could have gotten a divorce easily. But obviously, you know
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Speaker 1: what's that adage? It's not this Bert Batim. But criminals
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Speaker 1: aren't always smart, right, so she she wasn't necessarily smart
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Speaker 1: about how to hide her crime or what to do next.
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Speaker 1: I think she killed him and then said, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: now I can get remarried. I mean, Vincent Hill, that's
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Speaker 1: such another red bell of alarm because she didn't bother
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Speaker 1: to get a divorce. She just got remarried. Why because
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Speaker 1: arguably she knew or her first husband would never complain. Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I guess she knew that. You know, he wouldn't contest
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Speaker 1: this divorce if you will, because he's not around to
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Speaker 1: do it. But I'd be really interested to find out
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Speaker 1: what went on in that home to and make him
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Speaker 1: end up in his backyard under new concrete, under a
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Speaker 1: fire pit. Listen to this, guys, listen to this. We
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Speaker 1: had some deputies out here and they spent the night
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Speaker 1: and they came and asked me some questions and said
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Speaker 1: they were looking for the guy that used to live there.
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Speaker 1: Very quiet um, A really nice guy, and I know
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Speaker 1: he really cared about his kids a lot. So when
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Speaker 1: I didn't see him here to get them or have
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Speaker 1: them or visit them for a couple of years, I
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Speaker 1: kept wondering, Okay, this is really strange. And also we
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Speaker 1: know that he worked at Disney, working on Disney's mono
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Speaker 1: rails there in Florida. John Limley, Crime Stories, Investigative Reporter.
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Speaker 1: What else do we know? Where does the case stand now? Well,
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Speaker 1: when they began digging, as we have indicated, they did
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Speaker 1: find bones. They first found part of an arm bone,
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Speaker 1: and this really let investigators know they were on the
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Speaker 1: right path. They continued to excavate, they found a few
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Speaker 1: of They found a complete skeletonized body along with clothing.
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Speaker 1: After some testing, after an autopsy, they determined that the
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Speaker 1: body was indeed that of Michael Shaver. M m m
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Speaker 1: m m m mmm. Wow. In all these years, his
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Speaker 1: children have believed Dad just skipped out on them and
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Speaker 1: never bothered to communicate with them again. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: a big tip off when cops asked the why can
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Speaker 1: they bring in cadaver dogs and she says, no, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we are on it. As the case progresses, the body
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Speaker 1: identified positively as Michael Shaver, husband father, a longtime employee
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Speaker 1: at Disney there in Florida. Finally some answers for his children.
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Speaker 1: joining me out of l a Alan. Not only raped,
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Speaker 1: to the point that she was left blind, brain damaged
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Speaker 1: She had been a doctor for just one year, an
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Speaker 1: osteopath in Dallas, Texas, and as you said, left her blind,
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Speaker 1: three decades. Stars, Oh my stars, that's a fate many
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Speaker 1: would consider worse than death, to be blind and brain
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Speaker 1: damage and left in a bed for the rest of
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Speaker 1: your life. You know what that says to me? Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: private investigator, former Nashville p D that the probably thought
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Speaker 1: he left her dead. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. He thought for
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Speaker 1: sure that his victim was dead and nothing would ever
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Speaker 1: tie back to him. Ashley will cut with me, Ashu,
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you the perp thought she was dead, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And I think that any time that somebody has that
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Speaker 1: sphe of injuries and is bedridden to that extent, clearly
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Speaker 1: there was a motive to kill the person, not to
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Speaker 1: just hurt him. So go tell me the rest. What
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Speaker 1: happened then to Alan? Do so? This woman is confined
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Speaker 1: to her bed for thirty years. No break in the
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Speaker 1: case than what happens well, and one of the things
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Speaker 1: unusual about this, maybe not for a rape case, but
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Speaker 1: it didn't get any publicity. There's absolutely no news coverage,
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Speaker 1: no publicity around this case. As we researched this, we
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Speaker 1: couldn't find any of that, although I did find an
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Speaker 1: article from the year before war a magazine in Dallas.
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Speaker 1: D Magazine did a profile on her which she talked
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Speaker 1: about how she was excited about moving back to Dallas,
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Speaker 1: her own town, and being an osteopath with her dad.
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Speaker 1: Other than that, this woman's life has not been documented
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Speaker 1: and so it sat on the evidence shelf for thirty
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Speaker 1: years until she died. But thanks to a federal grant,
21:19
Speaker 1: a Department of Justice grant that allows the prosecutors to
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Speaker 1: investigate sexual assault cases that have gone cold, they had
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Speaker 1: funding to reopen the case. So what happens next, Well,
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Speaker 1: they start looking at the DNA and the evidence file
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Speaker 1: you know from nineteen eight. Uh, they process it, they
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Speaker 1: match it up and okay, hold on, wait, Alan Duke,
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Speaker 1: who would ever have imagined the murderer, the rapist who
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Speaker 1: leaves this woman bedridden, blind, and brain damaged for thirty years.
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Speaker 1: Was another doctor, actually prestigious doctor in that same area.
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Speaker 1: So who is this guy that is matched up only
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Speaker 1: by d n A thanks to a federal grant. His
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Speaker 1: name is George Guoh. I'm not going to call him
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Speaker 1: a doctor because he's now a former medical doctor. He
22:12
Speaker 1: was arrested in Houston this past in the past few days,
22:15
Speaker 1: being held on five million dollars bond. Get this, That
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Speaker 1: date I told you in night in June would have
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Speaker 1: been doctor gouos seven birthday. Oh my stars wow. Ashley
22:30
Speaker 1: Willcott joining me, judge, lawyer and founder of child crime
22:34
Speaker 1: watch dot com. His birthday he rapes and in his
22:39
Speaker 1: mind murders someone for his birthday. Right and he's a doctor.
22:44
Speaker 1: So so many times when I'm on the bench, Nancy,
22:46
Speaker 1: I see people are surprised by defendants because they assume, oh,
22:50
Speaker 1: defendants are going to be I don't know, someone of
22:53
Speaker 1: the mental health issues are out on the street or
22:54
Speaker 1: homeless or look funny, aren't educated boys? That not true.
22:58
Speaker 1: This is a doctor. And at the time, the only
23:01
Speaker 1: reason anyone realized something was wrong is Katherine Buscone's sister
23:07
Speaker 1: checked in on her apartment there on Abbott Avenue after
23:11
Speaker 1: Katherine didn't show up for a family get together. So
23:14
Speaker 1: when her sister didn't show, she goes by her house
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Speaker 1: and finds her apparently dead, having been sex assaulted in
23:22
Speaker 1: her own bed. And she hadn't gone over there, It's
23:25
Speaker 1: very possible Catherine would have died right there. And then
23:29
Speaker 1: neighbors actually told police at the time they had seen
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Speaker 1: her outside her apartment the night before that she had
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Speaker 1: been found and they heard a quote, commotion in her
23:38
Speaker 1: apartment around three a m. The neighbors also reported seeing
23:44
Speaker 1: a quote Asian man dressed in all black around the
23:48
Speaker 1: area in the days before Bestcone was attacked. Now, that
23:53
Speaker 1: is what we have learned from combing through the warrant
23:57
Speaker 1: in this case. You know, that's a lot of evidence, Alan,
24:02
Speaker 1: do you I mean, if he raped her, there had
24:05
Speaker 1: to be uh seminal fluid. I mean, it didn't have
24:09
Speaker 1: to be, but typically there would be. And neighbors saw
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Speaker 1: an Asian male that's their description, dressed in black around
24:17
Speaker 1: the area and the days leading up to it, which
24:21
Speaker 1: means he was stalking her. He must have known her
24:22
Speaker 1: from work in the medical practice. And not only that,
24:27
Speaker 1: neighbors here commotion round three am. So you've got the
24:30
Speaker 1: time of the incident, you've got a potential eyewitness and
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Speaker 1: d n A. So I don't understand what went wrong? Alan,
24:37
Speaker 1: do you know? They compare what happened the evidence that
24:41
Speaker 1: they're now seeing from that crime, it is strikingly like
24:47
Speaker 1: another crime just three years later in the Dallas area
24:53
Speaker 1: where another home was broken into by someone wearing all
24:57
Speaker 1: black and guess who that was? To Guo, Dr Guo,
25:02
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you a question. Is this the
25:05
Speaker 1: one incident? Yeah? Go ahead, he well caught outside a
25:12
Speaker 1: home he was arrested for. The charge was burglary of
25:15
Speaker 1: a habitation. Right, he was just charged with the burglary
25:18
Speaker 1: of an apartment of a student who at Southern Methodist
25:23
Speaker 1: University in the Dallas area. The police came up on
25:27
Speaker 1: this as it was going down. At the apartment door.
25:29
Speaker 1: They caught doctor then Dr Guo standing there in the
25:34
Speaker 1: apartment wearing all black. He had condoms, a ski mask,
25:38
Speaker 1: military tear gas, and syringes filled with sedatives on him
25:43
Speaker 1: and they charged him with burglary. Wow, you know what
25:46
Speaker 1: that makes me think that if they had taken Dr
25:49
Speaker 1: Katherine Bescone's blood at the time she may have had
25:52
Speaker 1: sedatives in her system. Now in the one you're talking about,
25:55
Speaker 1: the incident where they find Dr Guo, Uh, it's my
26:00
Speaker 1: understanding is they the police broke down the apartment door
26:05
Speaker 1: and catch the doctor, as you said, with condom, ski mask,
26:08
Speaker 1: military tear gas and syringes field with sedatives. Wow, it
26:15
Speaker 1: was all planned out as maybe only a doctor, could
26:19
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, with the syringes filled with sedatives.
26:21
Speaker 1: Now catch This is also what we learned about Dr Guo.
26:25
Speaker 1: He is a graduate of the University of Texas Southwestern
26:28
Speaker 1: Medical School in Dallas, a licensed physician at the time
26:32
Speaker 1: of the break in um Why why would someone was
26:38
Speaker 1: so much going for them, a medical degree, the potential
26:43
Speaker 1: to bring down quarter of a million dollars or more
26:46
Speaker 1: a year, he could date any woman he wanted. Why
26:51
Speaker 1: use all that intellect, all that power, all that privilege
26:56
Speaker 1: to focus on raping and a salting women. Ashley Wilcott
27:02
Speaker 1: the psychopath. Now I say that knowing I'm probably gonna
27:06
Speaker 1: hear it from me because no, I'm not a psychologist,
27:08
Speaker 1: where a psychiatrist, But clearly he's got some some tendencies
27:14
Speaker 1: and psychopathic um actions that he's doing. Another thing I
27:19
Speaker 1: mean it's like a fingerprint crime to Vincent Hill. As
27:23
Speaker 1: a prosecutor, I would have made every point of similarity
27:27
Speaker 1: in this case, so I could bring the ninety one
27:31
Speaker 1: incident where the cots had to break down the door
27:33
Speaker 1: in to prove the case on Katherine Bascone because in
27:37
Speaker 1: that case, also the ninety one case, he was dressed
27:40
Speaker 1: in all black. I mean, he really prepared for the
27:46
Speaker 1: attacks in a meticulously bizarre way. The gear they all
27:52
Speaker 1: in black, ninja outfit, the syringes full of sedatives, bringing
27:57
Speaker 1: all of the accutrama he intended to use in the
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Speaker 1: attack and murder. It's a fingerprint crime to the attack
28:05
Speaker 1: on Dr Catherine Beastcone. Vincent. Yeah, and it matches to
28:10
Speaker 1: a teen Nancy. And you know most people call that
28:12
Speaker 1: an m oh, you know, something that one person always
28:15
Speaker 1: does when they're committing a crime. And it sounds like
28:18
Speaker 1: this was his m O to go in with the
28:21
Speaker 1: all black, with the sedatives. And to your point, had
28:24
Speaker 1: police taken her blood, you know, thirty years ago, I
28:27
Speaker 1: think we would have found the same exact sedative in
28:30
Speaker 1: her system. Nancy, I've got a surprise for you what
28:35
Speaker 1: he was arrested another time same thing in What else
28:40
Speaker 1: do we know about this guy? Well, you know, uh,
28:42
Speaker 1: sometimes criminals like to repeat themselves. This guy was very
28:46
Speaker 1: repetitive because it was one that time he got caught. Uh,
28:51
Speaker 1: let's fast forward to he was arrested again burglary of
28:57
Speaker 1: a habitation with intent to commit sexual assault, but this
29:00
Speaker 1: time after breaking being caught breaking into a woman's apartment.
29:05
Speaker 1: He was actually sent to prison, finally pleading guilty to
29:08
Speaker 1: burglary with the intent to commit sexual assault. This was
29:12
Speaker 1: in Fort ben County, Texas. He was sentenced to fourteen
29:15
Speaker 1: years in prison, finally getting out in as a registered
29:20
Speaker 1: sex offender. And guess what registered sex offenders have to do.
29:24
Speaker 1: They have to give their d n A. And that
29:27
Speaker 1: is how he was caught. You know, it goes to
29:29
Speaker 1: prove that evil crime knows no barriers. It's not about
29:37
Speaker 1: age or socio economic level, or race or any other
29:45
Speaker 1: barrier or differentiator that humans come up with. It's across
29:52
Speaker 1: the boards. Here you have a doctor now accused of
29:58
Speaker 1: multiple sex attacks and thirty years later, thanks to DNA murder, Well,
30:07
Speaker 1: the party is over. True. Awards were never spoken, especially
30:13
Speaker 1: for this high society now dubbed AFFLA weensa team to
30:20
Speaker 1: not talking about Ethan Couch who gotten a drunken haze
30:24
Speaker 1: and mowed down four people dead. A fifth left as
30:28
Speaker 1: a quadriplegic for the rest of his life. I'm talking
30:32
Speaker 1: about a brand new Affla wins a team arrested after
30:36
Speaker 1: wrecking a five million dollar Hampton's home that happened to
30:42
Speaker 1: belong to ABC correspondent and host George Stefanopolis. I didn't
30:48
Speaker 1: know that until later, but when I take a look
30:51
Speaker 1: at this guy, Connor Hawkins, with every advantage anyone could
30:58
Speaker 1: possibly have in this country, gets drunk and high and
31:03
Speaker 1: gets picked up by the East Hampton police. To Shawn
31:07
Speaker 1: Walls your dailymail dot com, please tell me the whole
31:10
Speaker 1: story about affluence A teen too who was simply too
31:15
Speaker 1: affluent to know right from Nancy. This is one of
31:18
Speaker 1: those stories that is the gift that keeps on giving
31:21
Speaker 1: and truly shows that money can't buy you common sense.
31:25
Speaker 1: This is a kid by the name of Connor Larkins
31:27
Speaker 1: who was picked up by the police in East Hampton
31:30
Speaker 1: after he destroyed the interior of a five point five
31:34
Speaker 1: million dollar property that was once owned by George Stephanopolost
31:37
Speaker 1: and his wife the actress Sally Wentworth, now Connor, who
31:42
Speaker 1: lives in a swanky Fifth Avenue apartment in Manhattan overlooking
31:45
Speaker 1: Central Park is in big trouble. Woh woa, whoa, whoa.
31:49
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's
31:53
Speaker 1: just focus on that one moment when you say a
31:55
Speaker 1: swanky apartment overlooking the park, Karen Stark for an apartment
32:01
Speaker 1: in New York looking over the park. Because in New York,
32:06
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, out of our little little, tiny,
32:09
Speaker 1: tiny hovel, all you can see are other buildings, you know,
32:13
Speaker 1: but you basically went right into somebody else's place. So
32:17
Speaker 1: to have an apartment looking over the park, how much
32:20
Speaker 1: would that set this guy back? More than the well
32:25
Speaker 1: millions talking about million? That much money? That's correct, all right,
32:33
Speaker 1: Sean Walt. So we've established the price of his digs
32:36
Speaker 1: where he lives with his family. Go ahead. So um,
32:39
Speaker 1: This young man had been attending a post prom party
32:43
Speaker 1: in East Hampton and the nine million dollar home of
32:47
Speaker 1: investment banker Mark Stoker. Now it's uncord of Stoker was
32:51
Speaker 1: at the party, but a fellow party go had told
32:54
Speaker 1: police that the group, which included Stoker's high school daughter,
32:58
Speaker 1: had set out to the Hamptons from man at midnight. Now, nanty,
33:02
Speaker 1: this is a two and a half hour car ride,
33:06
Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to get out there in anything
33:07
Speaker 1: other than a private car. So at some point around
33:10
Speaker 1: six am on Friday, they say that Color's behavior begin
33:13
Speaker 1: to change. Wait a minute, is this the same Mark
33:16
Speaker 1: Spielker that just got the forty eight point nine million
33:19
Speaker 1: dollar payout when you left Goldman Sachs. That is it.
33:23
Speaker 1: He is now the president of Apollo Global Management. So
33:27
Speaker 1: this is someone who isn't short of cash. Well, where
33:30
Speaker 1: is he? Well? You would think if you are hosting
33:33
Speaker 1: the after prom party at your nine million dollar home,
33:37
Speaker 1: you want to have parental supervision. But at this case,
33:41
Speaker 1: no one knows whether he was home or not at
33:43
Speaker 1: the time. Okay, So what I understand is they leave Manhattan,
33:49
Speaker 1: New York City around midnight and take a bus after
33:53
Speaker 1: a private school prom. Alright, So then what happens? This
33:57
Speaker 1: is where it gets interesting. Uh, his friends were saying,
34:01
Speaker 1: at some point around six am on Friday, Connor's behavior
34:04
Speaker 1: begin to change, and his friends suggested that they've taken
34:07
Speaker 1: Uber back to Manhattan. Now, let me just set the
34:10
Speaker 1: scene here for your your listeners. That's gonna cost about
34:15
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars if you're in a normal
34:18
Speaker 1: Uber X. Now, if you choose Uber Black or Uber Suv,
34:22
Speaker 1: that's going to be about a thousand dollars to get
34:24
Speaker 1: this child home. So it's no small amount of money. Now,
34:29
Speaker 1: he didn't like that idea, and he told his friends
34:31
Speaker 1: that he would rather have a jet pack and so
34:34
Speaker 1: they can leave this planet. So clearly there's something going
34:38
Speaker 1: on with this boy. Eventually he gets into the vehicle,
34:42
Speaker 1: but after driving just one mile, he fled from the
34:44
Speaker 1: car and his friend told the driver to continue on
34:47
Speaker 1: to the city and left Connor behind in the Hampton's
34:50
Speaker 1: good friend. Uh. During this brief time, Connor had been
34:55
Speaker 1: punching and kicking the interior of the vehicle. His friend
34:58
Speaker 1: reported to the police later on, Well, and do you
35:00
Speaker 1: blame the guy for leaving him behind? The guy needs
35:03
Speaker 1: to go back home, the friend, and you've got the
35:06
Speaker 1: affluence a team to kicking and punching the inside of
35:09
Speaker 1: the car. I wouldn't go home with him either, So
35:11
Speaker 1: it's his choice to stay there with this brat or
35:14
Speaker 1: go home. You tell the driver to speed up and
35:17
Speaker 1: keep driving, but you usually if your friends are in
35:18
Speaker 1: a situation, doesn't sound like he's in a clear state
35:21
Speaker 1: of mind, right, So I think I don't know as
35:23
Speaker 1: someone as someone grew up and we go back to
35:27
Speaker 1: my home country of Australia, where the legal drinking age
35:29
Speaker 1: is eighteen, which is far too young. As as far
35:32
Speaker 1: as I've said, if your friends get in that position
35:35
Speaker 1: where they're not acting right, I think the last thing
35:37
Speaker 1: you should be doing is leaving them on the side
35:39
Speaker 1: of the road. And basically what is country the countryside?
35:42
Speaker 1: You need to either get them to a house or
35:44
Speaker 1: get them to the hospital. Can't ask you another question.
35:47
Speaker 1: You first said an Uber would cost about two or
35:49
Speaker 1: fifty bucks to go from the Hampton's to the city,
35:52
Speaker 1: but now you're saying a thousand dollars? What was that for?
35:55
Speaker 1: Like an Uber X Yeah, I know. So if you
35:58
Speaker 1: go a normal standard Uber, it's going to ask you
36:00
Speaker 1: about t D and fifty dollars. But say you choose
36:02
Speaker 1: like an Uber Black or an Uber Suv, the luxury
36:05
Speaker 1: version of Uber, then it's going to go up to
36:07
Speaker 1: something like a thousand dollars. Okay, I'm sorry, I've never
36:10
Speaker 1: had an Uber Extra, an Uber Black Luxury vehicle. Haven't
36:14
Speaker 1: you heard about the Uber rides share anyway, that's a
36:17
Speaker 1: whole another can of worms. I guess we're running a
36:21
Speaker 1: different circle, Shawn Walsh. But back to the story. So
36:24
Speaker 1: the friend comes on back into the city. Then what happens?
36:26
Speaker 1: How did the mansion get trashed by affluentz A teen
36:31
Speaker 1: too so um. The police report states that Kondo made
36:36
Speaker 1: his way down the road after leaving the uber and
36:38
Speaker 1: then he hopped over the wooden gate at twenty done
36:41
Speaker 1: Mere Lane. He then broke into the home by smashing
36:44
Speaker 1: through the front door and bloodied himself in the process.
36:48
Speaker 1: The current owners of the home we're not home at
36:50
Speaker 1: the time, and Harkins has no relationship with any person
36:53
Speaker 1: who's ever lived in the home. According to the police,
36:57
Speaker 1: police say, the boy then ran. Did you say he's
37:00
Speaker 1: mashed through the front door. Smashed through the front door,
37:05
Speaker 1: and apparently Joseph let me for your for your listeners
37:11
Speaker 1: out of the Hamptons. The houses are not close to
37:13
Speaker 1: each other, so someone could break easily break into someone
37:17
Speaker 1: else's home, and neighbors around aren't going to hear it
37:19
Speaker 1: because these houses are very big homes on very big properties.
37:23
Speaker 1: Basically out in the middle of nowhere near the ocean,
37:26
Speaker 1: so there's not going to be a lot of rackets
37:29
Speaker 1: caused at one home is not necessarily going to be
37:32
Speaker 1: heard by an next door neighbor. So Joseph Scott Morgan,
37:35
Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining us, this guy was so drunk and
37:39
Speaker 1: or high that he smashed through the front door of
37:42
Speaker 1: this mansion and that didn't stop him because he apparently
37:46
Speaker 1: flipped tables, he broke out windows, ruined the walls, every
37:53
Speaker 1: I mean, and then he ends up passed out on
37:55
Speaker 1: the front yard covered in his own blood. So my
37:59
Speaker 1: question to you is how high and or drunk would
38:02
Speaker 1: he have to be because smashing and breaking down a
38:06
Speaker 1: door and injuring himself didn't stop him. He continued on
38:09
Speaker 1: his drunken rampage. Yeah, I gotta tell you, Nancy. One
38:12
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm thinking is that if he
38:15
Speaker 1: is so uh numbed uh to this, he would have
38:19
Speaker 1: to be uh terribly high prior to, you know, prior
38:23
Speaker 1: to passing out. That means that his pain receptors are
38:27
Speaker 1: essentially shut down. If he is on some type of
38:30
Speaker 1: of drug, like that's an opioid like fentyl or maybe
38:35
Speaker 1: even heroin, he wouldn't have an awareness that he's he's uh,
38:40
Speaker 1: inflicting pain upon himself. Seana mentioned, Uh, you know glass,
38:45
Speaker 1: the sort of thing breaking through the wall. He wouldn't
38:47
Speaker 1: have an awareness of this. So and if you combine
38:50
Speaker 1: that with alcohol, which you know these kids are prost
38:53
Speaker 1: post ProMED party, Uh, you got to think that they're
38:56
Speaker 1: ingesting this as well. So it's a lethal combination where
38:59
Speaker 1: you have no awareness pain whatsoever. John wash Dear email
39:02
Speaker 1: dot com. Why weren't his parents looking for him? Or
39:04
Speaker 1: were they? You know, it doesn't sound like they were, Nancy,
39:08
Speaker 1: And I mean, this isn't just the only thing that happens.
39:10
Speaker 1: So he gets into the home and causes ten thousand
39:13
Speaker 1: dollars worth of damage. He flipped tables, ripped out screens,
39:17
Speaker 1: he broke windows, he batted the walls, and then he
39:20
Speaker 1: passed out on the front lawn covered in blood. That morning.
39:24
Speaker 1: He was then found by a construction worker who called
39:26
Speaker 1: the East Hampton Village Police and officers on the scene
39:30
Speaker 1: basically had to save this kid's life. Why. It appears
39:36
Speaker 1: he had overdosed on drugs. He was revived by Narkin
39:40
Speaker 1: as you know, that's the drug that they used. To
39:42
Speaker 1: bring you back to life if you're you've had a
39:44
Speaker 1: drug overdose. He was, yeah, And then he was arrested
39:48
Speaker 1: and booked on charges of burglary with the attempt to
39:50
Speaker 1: commit a crime and criminal mischiff, both felonies. He's also
39:54
Speaker 1: charged with trespassing. On just a second, I'm going to
39:57
Speaker 1: circle back to the charges. Shawan Walsh just gotten organ
40:00
Speaker 1: If you have to be revived with narcan, what does
40:03
Speaker 1: that tell you about his condition and the reason for
40:06
Speaker 1: his condition. The reason for his condition, Nancy, I believe
40:10
Speaker 1: that they had to use narcan is that he had
40:12
Speaker 1: an opioid on board, something like a final or something
40:14
Speaker 1: like a heroine. And what the narcan does is essentially
40:18
Speaker 1: shuts down the little receptors in the brain that latch
40:23
Speaker 1: onto opioids, and it prevents uh, this kid from going
40:26
Speaker 1: into total shutdown where he would succumb to the opiates
40:30
Speaker 1: that are on board. So this would essentially freeze this
40:33
Speaker 1: moment in Tom said that he could be stated the
40:36
Speaker 1: story of the original Affluencit team Ethan Couch. Why Shaun
40:42
Speaker 1: Walsh dailymail dot com is this guy Connor Harkins being
40:46
Speaker 1: now now being called affluence the team too? I think
40:52
Speaker 1: because everyone is always intrigued by the lifestyles of both
40:57
Speaker 1: the rich and the famous, and here is a rich
41:00
Speaker 1: kid that has everything you can imagine in life, yet
41:03
Speaker 1: is behaving in a way allegedly that is like abominable.
41:07
Speaker 1: And so people get fascinated by this because they're like, look,
41:11
Speaker 1: if I have my own children and they can behave,
41:14
Speaker 1: how is it a kid that has everything hadded to
41:16
Speaker 1: him on a platter able to behave in a way
41:18
Speaker 1: like this, which is frankly shocking and allegedly criminal. What
41:22
Speaker 1: do we know about his background, Sean? Where did he
41:25
Speaker 1: go to school? He graduated from the private all boys
41:29
Speaker 1: Browning School in and he's now a member of the
41:32
Speaker 1: class of one at Hamilton's College. This is what I
41:36
Speaker 1: know about the Browning School. I know to start with
41:39
Speaker 1: that tuition for two thousand eighteen is nearly fifty thousand dollars.
41:45
Speaker 1: I know that much. What else do you know? I
41:48
Speaker 1: know that money can't buy you class. Okay, that may
41:52
Speaker 1: be true. But about the Browning School, I know this. Uh.
41:55
Speaker 1: It's a college preps school for boys. It was founded
41:58
Speaker 1: all the way back in eighteen d eight by John Browning,
42:02
Speaker 1: and it's really hard to get into. I know that much.
42:06
Speaker 1: What more do you know? Shaan Walts run from kindergarten
42:09
Speaker 1: through high school. It's located in the heart of New
42:11
Speaker 1: York City. Uh. It takes advantage of the city's vast
42:14
Speaker 1: resources while also providing the boys with an education that
42:18
Speaker 1: only money and a lot of money you can buy.
42:21
Speaker 1: And it's an all boys school. You know. Question to
42:23
Speaker 1: Troy Slate in l a defense lawyer. When you get
42:26
Speaker 1: a group of regular people like myself in a jury
42:32
Speaker 1: and they hear this evidence, and they hear of a
42:36
Speaker 1: privileged background, being fed with a silver spoon your whole life,
42:39
Speaker 1: and still showing out like this to me, that makes
42:45
Speaker 1: it even worse, Troy, When you have every advantage and
42:48
Speaker 1: you still end up in the front yard drunk and
42:52
Speaker 1: high administered narcan and you tore up somebody's home you
42:55
Speaker 1: didn't even know. People don't like that, Troy. Well, aside
42:59
Speaker 1: from the act that Lady Justice is supposed to be
43:02
Speaker 1: blind and not show any favor or disfavor to somebody
43:08
Speaker 1: because of their background. This is a prime example of
43:12
Speaker 1: of how the scourge of opioid addiction knows no socio
43:19
Speaker 1: economic or racial barrier. This is a kid who succumbs,
43:25
Speaker 1: like so many Americans, to this horrific, horrific problem of
43:30
Speaker 1: opioid addiction. Thank goodness the police were there to save
43:35
Speaker 1: him in the final throws of of what was an overdose.
43:39
Speaker 1: He was about to die from this addiction. Sean Walls
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Speaker 1: Daemil dot Com. I know he was charged of secondary burglary,
43:48
Speaker 1: but what else do we know about the charges entarraignment?
43:51
Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy. He was charged a second degree burglary
43:54
Speaker 1: and second degree criminal mischief, both sylonies and also trespassed,
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Speaker 1: which is a misdemeanor. Was arranged the Saturday morning after
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Speaker 1: he was found in the garden before East Hampton Town
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Speaker 1: Justice Stephen Tikolski. He said bail at five thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: cash or ten thousand dollars bond. Mr Harkins family posted
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Speaker 1: his bail, so we can only imagine he is now
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Speaker 1: back comfortably resting at his Fifth Avenue apartment in Manhattan
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Speaker 1: overlooking Central Park. Yes, Shawn, I understand that after spending
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Speaker 1: a night in a holding sale in the East Hampton
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Speaker 1: Village Police headquarters, Harkins was then brought to East Hampton
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Speaker 1: Town Justice Court. It was early on Saturday morning. He
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Speaker 1: was arraigned in front of Justice Stephen to Tikolski. In
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Speaker 1: the courtroom, to my understanding, was a man that was
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Speaker 1: identified as Harkins Dad, Peter Harkins, who was the head
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Speaker 1: of Kovler Harkins, which is a pretty big law firm.
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Speaker 1: They've got offices on Wall Street and in London. Now,
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Speaker 1: the judge, Judge Takolski, asked Harkins what he did for
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Speaker 1: a living. The answer was that he he had just gotten
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Speaker 1: out of his first year of college and was about
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Speaker 1: to start a job with Jay Crewe, you know, the
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Speaker 1: clothing store. He told the judge he lived at Fifth
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Speaker 1: Avenue and he gave a phone number. The bill was
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Speaker 1: then set. The d a's office asked for bill to
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Speaker 1: be said at twenty thousand, but Takolski agreed with the
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Speaker 1: defense and granted just a five thousand dollar bond to
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Speaker 1: Karen Start, New York psychologist. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: the defense used in the Ethan Couch case that Couch
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Speaker 1: was just simply too affluent to understand the consequences of
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Speaker 1: his acts or the difference between right and wrong. Well,
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Speaker 1: we went over that case so many times in Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and that was outrageous to say he did. Someone doesn't
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Speaker 1: the difference because they're too wealthy, and the difference between
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Speaker 1: right and I'm not sure in this case because he
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Speaker 1: was almost dying from an overdose. So it sounds like
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Speaker 1: this kid was being influenced by the drugs that he
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Speaker 1: was taking. We need to take that into consideration. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind about that. There's no
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Speaker 1: doubt in my mind he was influenced by drugs. Care
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Speaker 1: and start with Troy Slayton l a defense lawyer. He
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Speaker 1: was not in the throes of death because he broke through,
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Speaker 1: smashing down a door and proceeded to tear up a
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Speaker 1: whole home and then fling himself down in the front yard.
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Speaker 1: So he was not so near death that he couldn't
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Speaker 1: destroy someone's home. Well, that's because the the the drugs
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Speaker 1: Nancy and Joseph Scott Morgan can explain this more had
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Speaker 1: not necessarily yet reached their peak. As they were absorbing,
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Speaker 1: he was becoming more and more impaired, and I think
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Speaker 1: he may. Of course, we know that voluntary and talks occasion.
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Speaker 1: If he took the drugs himself is not a defense
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Speaker 1: that he may have the defense of involuntary intoxication. This
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Speaker 1: is prom night. We know drugs are rampant at prom night.
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Speaker 1: Someone may have just handed him this and said, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is a little something. He didn't know the full
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Speaker 1: effects of it and could have a very good involuntary
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Speaker 1: intoxication defense. But he's in his right mind. We will
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