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Episode Two Hundred Forty Eight: That's What Makes America Great · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two hundred and forty eight of the
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  Speaker 1: Death of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host on today's show, the debate over how effective
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  Speaker 1: the airstrikes on Iran where gets overheated, the so called
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  Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Bill barely heads towards apparent passage, and Elon
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  Speaker 1: Musk declare's war. CBS weighs the white flag in their
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  Speaker 1: legal battle with Trump. A super woke socialist wins the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic primary in the New York City mayor's race, what
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  Speaker 1: may well be the most significant Spectator episode in modern
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  Speaker 1: American sports history. And some more transparency on the recent
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  Speaker 1: update I gave on the Jerry Sandusky case. We have
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  Speaker 1: a ton to get to in this episode of the
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  Speaker 1: podcast because our last episode to forty seven was taped
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  Speaker 1: early because of logistical reasons and traveling concerns. Now, many
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  Speaker 1: of you surmise that that meant that this was the
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  Speaker 1: week where we took our annual vacation to se where
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  Speaker 1: it is impossible to do a podcast. That turned out
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  Speaker 1: to be exactly correct. Those that thought I might have
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  Speaker 1: been going to the Bezos wedding that was incorrect. I
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  Speaker 1: was not invited for some reason to the Jeff Bezos wedding.
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  Speaker 1: But we did go to Yosemite and for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: had a very good time. And now we're back in
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  Speaker 1: society and to civilization, and I'm able to tape a
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  Speaker 1: broadcast and a podcast, and so I've got basically ten
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  Speaker 1: or eleven days to catch up on this particular episode,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll do my very best to get that done. Now.
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  Speaker 1: When I tape the last episode of the podcast, the
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  Speaker 1: United States had just struck Iran and Donald Trump was
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  Speaker 1: declaring that the Iranian nuclear capabilities had been obliterated. And
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  Speaker 1: I was a little suspicious even early on that that
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  Speaker 1: might be an exaggeration, because, after all, that's the way
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  Speaker 1: Trump does things. He's at best a serial exaggerator and
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  Speaker 1: it worst a pathological liar. So I want to go
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  Speaker 1: through a couple of things that happen in the aftermath
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  Speaker 1: of the airstrikes on Iran. First, with regard to the
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  Speaker 1: ceasefire between Iran and Israel. This is another classic example
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  Speaker 1: of where even when Trump wins, although I guess in
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  Speaker 1: this particular case it's being perceived that this was a
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  Speaker 1: super win, especially among his fans, I just find this
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  Speaker 1: to be fascinating. So Trump declares very very clearly, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little prematurely, that there's a ceasefire between Iran
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  Speaker 1: and Israel, because of course he wants to take all
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  Speaker 1: the credit for it, and makes it sound like this
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  Speaker 1: is clear, this is done, this is permanent, the war
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  Speaker 1: is over, the twelve day war is over, and then,
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  Speaker 1: of course Iran and Israel continue to fire missiles at
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  Speaker 1: each other. Trump gets incredibly pissed off, and in fact
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  Speaker 1: even declares rather famously in what will surely be a
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  Speaker 1: meme on the internet until the day we all die,
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  Speaker 1: that Ron and Israel don't know what the fuck they
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  Speaker 1: are doing, which is particularly amazing coming from not just
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  Speaker 1: the President of the United States, but Donald Trump, who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really use profanity all that much. And of course, his
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  Speaker 1: fans cheered loudly for Trump declaring that Iran and Israel
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck they're doing. And look, it worked.
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  Speaker 1: They got the message, because apparently, at least as of
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  Speaker 1: right now, the seasfire became real. But I did find
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  Speaker 1: it rather telling about the way that Trump's fans view
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  Speaker 1: everything he does, so he basically prematurely declared the ceasefire
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  Speaker 1: was overly optimistic about it, and then because he was
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  Speaker 1: proven to be wrong, gets really pissed off about it,
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  Speaker 1: drops the F bomb and he gets cheered again. So
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  Speaker 1: he gets cheered when he was prematurely declaring victory, and
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  Speaker 1: then he gets cheered and he gets pissed off because
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  Speaker 1: he hadn't really won yet. Just amazing the magic touch
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  Speaker 1: that Trump has, especially among his fans, but I'll give
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  Speaker 1: him credit. As of right now, there is, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: there SE's fire between Iran and Israel. Now how long
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna last? Nobody knows. To pretend that it's permanent
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  Speaker 1: is utterly ridiculous given the history of the situation. But
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  Speaker 1: that leads to what facilitated the apparentcy's fire between Iran
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  Speaker 1: and Israel, and that was the airstrikes on the Iranian
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  Speaker 1: nuclear facilities. And this created an enormous amount of controversy
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  Speaker 1: that was pretty much classic Trump, I said in the
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  Speaker 1: last episode of the podcast. Certainly seemed like a success.
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  Speaker 1: To me. I was proud that Trump was able to
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  Speaker 1: do it, that he didn't wimp out, that there was
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  Speaker 1: no Taco situation. I didn't know what was going to
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  Speaker 1: happen next, but it certainly seemed like the right thing
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  Speaker 1: to do, and the execution appeared to be about as
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  Speaker 1: good as it possibly could have been. Now, Trump, of course,
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  Speaker 1: always has to exaggerate everything, and he needs to get
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  Speaker 1: as much credit as possible. This is the way his
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  Speaker 1: ego works, and he always declares victory even when he loses,
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  Speaker 1: and so when he actually wins, he really declares victory.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what he did here. It would not surprise
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  Speaker 1: me at all that he was going on very flimsy
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  Speaker 1: information when he said that the nuclear facilities in Iran
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  Speaker 1: had been obliterated, that their program had been completely destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: And of course this goes to a much deeper and
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  Speaker 1: larger issue that I have with the entire Trump two
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  Speaker 1: point zero presidency, which is that Trump is a king,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of what happened in the aftermath of
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  Speaker 1: the air strikes is exactly what transpires when you have
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  Speaker 1: a king, where everybody surrounding the king wants to only
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  Speaker 1: tell the king what the king wants to hear, which is,
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  Speaker 1: as president, we obliterated the Iranian nuclear facilities. It's as
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  Speaker 1: resounding success. They're completely destroyed. This was unprecedented, This was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: This is the greatest thing that's ever happened. That, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is the narrative that Trump is going to like. So
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  Speaker 1: everyone surrounding Trump, even when there's no possible way they
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  Speaker 1: could have known for sure, they give Trump any sort
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  Speaker 1: of information in that direction, he's gonna run with it
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  Speaker 1: and probably exaggerate it further because that's who Trump is.
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  Speaker 1: He is not a reliable source. But once he goes
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  Speaker 1: out there and declares totally complete, unprecedented victory, it provides
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  Speaker 1: those around him with no other place to go. They
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  Speaker 1: can't take that back because then they're making the king
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  Speaker 1: look bad and they can't possibly do that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this whole situation where we end up debating over just
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  Speaker 1: how big, if victory the airstrikes were, is really because
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  Speaker 1: of who Trump is, because of his mo because of
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  Speaker 1: his fragile ego, because he really is acting as a king,
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  Speaker 1: because everyone around him is expected to support whatever narrative
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  Speaker 1: is in his brain at the moment. That's how we
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  Speaker 1: get here. And frankly, to me, well it's an interesting topic.
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  Speaker 1: It's an important issue as to how much damage was done.
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  Speaker 1: This thing got way overheated. The reality is it was
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  Speaker 1: a success. We probably still did his day, don't know
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  Speaker 1: exactly how much of a success. But because there was
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  Speaker 1: this almost pathological need to support Trump's ego, it created
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  Speaker 1: a whole series of problems that shouldn't have existed, including
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  Speaker 1: I think some rather dangerous precedents when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: a tax on the press. Now, of course, this is
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  Speaker 1: the death of journalism podcast. I'm not usually gonna defend
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  Speaker 1: the press, especially since I do believe that journalism is dead.
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  Speaker 1: But the press is allowed to ask legitimate questions about
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  Speaker 1: what transpired here, and we got into a situation where
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  Speaker 1: somehow asking legitimate questions and reporting on apparently legitimate maybe
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  Speaker 1: not truthful or not complete, but it legitimate intelligence reports
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  Speaker 1: that contradicted Trump's narrative is somehow being called by the
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  Speaker 1: president unpatriotic. That's a quotation where he's threatening to go
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  Speaker 1: after legally the people who gave the media this information,
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  Speaker 1: specifically CNN in the New York Times, all because he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like his narrative being remotely contradicted. Nobody is saying,
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  Speaker 1: by the way that I've seen that the attacks on
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  Speaker 1: Iran were unsuccessful. It's just a matter of just how
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  Speaker 1: much damage was done. And so we get this incredibly
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  Speaker 1: I think bizarre and dangerous and difficult situation creating precedents
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  Speaker 1: that are very uncomfortable for the future. Where CNN and
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  Speaker 1: The New York Times, I get it. You know, Conservatives, Republicans,
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  Speaker 1: trumpsters are going to automatically presume that CNN and The
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  Speaker 1: New York Times are out to ruin Trump's parade. That's
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  Speaker 1: the way they see things. But I'm sorry, if we're
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  Speaker 1: going to live in a society with a free press,
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  Speaker 1: they have to at least be able to report on what,
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  Speaker 1: by all accounts, appears to be legitimate information. Now again,
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  Speaker 1: I want to emphasize we don't know how truthful that
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  Speaker 1: information is. But the only reason why this is an
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  Speaker 1: issue is because Trump didn't like it because it contradicted
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  Speaker 1: his initial statements, which, it cannot be emphasized enough, could
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  Speaker 1: not possibly have been one hundred percent accurate, because there's
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  Speaker 1: way Trump had all the information when he declared total
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  Speaker 1: and complete victory. This is all about protecting Trump's ego,
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  Speaker 1: and it got to just an utterly ridiculous extreme when
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  Speaker 1: there was a press conference involving Trump and the Defense
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  Speaker 1: Secretary of Pete Heggstad. And Pete Heggstad, who I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a big fan of of course, has to go out
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  Speaker 1: there and feel like, you know, he's going to attack
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  Speaker 1: the press on behalf of his boss. He knows how
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  Speaker 1: much Trump loves attacking the press, and so any legitimate
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  Speaker 1: questions at all suddenly become outrageous and put under this
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  Speaker 1: umbrella of unpatriotic and illegitimate and an indication that the
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  Speaker 1: press is out to get Donald Trump and that they
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  Speaker 1: are against the United States. And look, part of what
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  Speaker 1: is the United States of America is this free society
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  Speaker 1: where we have free press. We don't have kings, at
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  Speaker 1: least we didn't used to, and you have to answer
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  Speaker 1: legitimate questions. And the most ridiculous example of what I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about, in my view, was when Hextet took a
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  Speaker 1: question from a former colleague of his, Jen Griffin, highly
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  Speaker 1: respected reporter, especially among liberal circles. Trumpster's hater because she's
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  Speaker 1: rather objective. But she's a Fox News Channel reporter, longtime reporter. Again,
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  Speaker 1: very highly respected. Doesn't mean she's perfect, but she is
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  Speaker 1: very highly respected. Again, it's Fox News Channel, Pete Hextet's
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  Speaker 1: former outlet. That's how he got the job as Defense Secretary.
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  Speaker 1: He was a Fox News Channel commentator and jen Griffin
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  Speaker 1: asked what I viewed as a very legitimate question, basically
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  Speaker 1: about whether or not it's possible that Ron moved there
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  Speaker 1: enriched uranium before the attacks and whether that would have
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  Speaker 1: greatly limited the damage done to their nuclear program, and
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  Speaker 1: hexcet just went off on her personally, which I thought
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  Speaker 1: was very inappropriate and a classic example of dustal protest
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  Speaker 1: too much. But it's also in the bigger picture, a
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  Speaker 1: prime example of how absurd and extreme this knee jerk
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  Speaker 1: tendency on the part of the Trump administration is to
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  Speaker 1: attack the press even when the press is just doing
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  Speaker 1: their damn job. And here's what that sounded.
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  Speaker 2: Like, highly and rich uranium. Do you have certainty that
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  Speaker 2: all the highly enrich uranium was inside the Four Dome
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  Speaker 2: Mountain or some of it? Because there were satellite photos
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  Speaker 2: that showed more than a dozen trucks there two days
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  Speaker 2: in advance. Are you certain none of that highly enriched
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  Speaker 2: uranium was moved.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, we're watching every single aspect, but Jennifer, you've
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  Speaker 3: been about the worst, the one who misrepresents the most intentionally.
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  Speaker 1: I know what the president says.
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  Speaker 2: I'm familiar about the ventilations chefs on Saturday night, and
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  Speaker 2: in fact, I was the first to describe the B
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  Speaker 2: two bombers, the refueling, the entire mission with great accuracy.
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  Speaker 2: So I take issue with that.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you acknowledging that this is the first, the
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  Speaker 3: most successful mission based on operational security that this department
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  Speaker 3: has done since you been here, and I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely we're looking at all aspects of intelligence and making
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  Speaker 3: sure we have a sense of what was where.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that that exchange from Hexeth, especially given
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  Speaker 1: who Jen Griffin is, was embarrassing, and I frankly the
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  Speaker 1: way I look at things, to me, it was suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it made it. It made me think, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's possible that this attack on Iran was even
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  Speaker 1: less successful than I presumed. That maybe it is possible
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  Speaker 1: that they were able to get their enriched uranium out
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  Speaker 1: of the attack zone and that we really didn't do
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  Speaker 1: nearly as much damage as we had hoped or claimed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that to be the case, but that response,
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  Speaker 1: to me, given what I know about the way that
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  Speaker 1: Trump administration works, is consistent with that scenario. So I
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  Speaker 1: thought that answer was terrible on all fronts, and there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of negative reaction to it, and understandably
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  Speaker 1: so now just to show you being objective, there were
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  Speaker 1: situations that I think were in fact evidence that the
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  Speaker 1: news media was out to get Trump or was acting
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  Speaker 1: in absurd ways, and was trying every way they possibly
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  Speaker 1: could to diminish the success or the perception of the
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  Speaker 1: air strikes in Iran. And I think the best example
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  Speaker 1: of that was this ridiculous narrative that somehow Hegseth was
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  Speaker 1: being misogynistic when he referenced our boys that carried out
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  Speaker 1: this attack on Iran on this particular case, in this
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  Speaker 1: particular situation, I'm pretty much on team Hegseth. And here
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  Speaker 1: was his response to that particular issue.
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  Speaker 2: I know acknowledge the female pilots that also participated in
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  Speaker 2: this mission. The early messages that you sent out only
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  Speaker 2: congratulated the boys.
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  Speaker 3: So when I say something like our boys and bombers,
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  Speaker 3: see this is the kind of thing the press does.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the chairman mentioned a female bomber pilot. That's fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: She's fantastic, she's a hero. I want more female bomber pilots.
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  Speaker 3: I hope the men and women of our country sign
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  Speaker 3: up to do such brave and audacious things. But when
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  Speaker 3: you spin it as because I say our boys and
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  Speaker 3: bombers as a common phrase, I'll keep saying things like that,
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  Speaker 3: whether they're men or women. Very proud of that female pilot,
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  Speaker 3: just like I'm very proud of those male pilots. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't care if it's a male or a female
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  Speaker 3: in that cockpit, and the American people don't care. But
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  Speaker 3: it's the obsession with race and gender in this department
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  Speaker 3: that's changed priorities.
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  Speaker 1: We don't do that anymore. We don't play your little games.
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  Speaker 1: Yes right there that the.
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  Speaker 2: Uranium was removed from a facility before.
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  Speaker 1: So there are situations where the media, and especially in
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  Speaker 1: this day and age where journalism is dead, is gonna
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  Speaker 1: make mistakes. They obviously a lot of them, don't want
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  Speaker 1: Trump to be perceived as successful, even if it's good
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  Speaker 1: for the United States, even if it's good for the
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  Speaker 1: safety of the world. I get that, and that boy's narrative,
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  Speaker 1: I think was a much better example of that particular
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  Speaker 1: phenomenon which we had to be watchful of. But that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that every single question that we don't
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  Speaker 1: like or that is negative, is somehow unpatriotic and an
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  Speaker 1: indication that, you know, the media is one hundred percent
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  Speaker 1: out to get Donald Trump. This is the price we
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  Speaker 1: pay for living in an allegedly free society. A healthy
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  Speaker 1: for the state is part of that. And we don't
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  Speaker 1: want a situation where a king can just declare what
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  Speaker 1: he wants to believe happened when it comes to an
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  Speaker 1: airstrike on a foreign nation and the media just goes,
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  Speaker 1: oh okay. And of course, you know, if there had
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  Speaker 1: been a democratic administration had had done this, Jen Griffin
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  Speaker 1: would have been being cheered. And there, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: hypocrisy here is incredibly obvious. We were seeing that on
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  Speaker 1: almost a daily basis now, especially what among Trumpsters. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to get to that again with regard to the
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  Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Bill. I mean, it's just unbelievable, the hypocrisy
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the way certain people react. Now
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  Speaker 1: when if the team Colors were reversed, they would be
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  Speaker 1: taking the exact opposite position. And if we had a
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  Speaker 1: lap dog media with a democratic administration, Republicans or Trumpsters
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  Speaker 1: would be fit to be tied, and rightfully so. So,
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  Speaker 1: a healthy fourth of state, asking legitimate questions is incredibly
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  Speaker 1: important to the society that we allegedly have created here
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  Speaker 1: in the United States of America. And so I was
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  Speaker 1: very perturbed and disappointed by a lot of what I
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  Speaker 1: saw in the aftermath of the air strikes. The bottom
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  Speaker 1: line to me is still that they were successful. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know how successful. By the way, maybe one of
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  Speaker 1: the most important points which kind of got lost in
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  Speaker 1: all of this, is that by virtue of the debate
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  Speaker 1: over how much damage was done to the Iranian nuclear facilities,
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  Speaker 1: we established the most important fact, which is that they exist,
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  Speaker 1: that they're aggressive, that they're not supposed to be there,
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  Speaker 1: that Irana is in violation of what they're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be doing. By one of the best examples of that
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  Speaker 1: was that there were reports that there are Iranian intelligence
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  Speaker 1: agencies that had communications intercepted where they were claiming that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the damage wasn't really all that great. And now,
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  Speaker 1: of course a rational person will say, well, is it
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  Speaker 1: possible that they knew that those those communications were going
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  Speaker 1: to be intercepted and that they were creating a false
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  Speaker 1: narrative to make themselves look good. I have no way
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  Speaker 1: of knowing that's certainly possible. But more importantly, they're admitting
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing, so we now have undisputable evidence that
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  Speaker 1: the air strikes were justified to begin with. That's maybe
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  Speaker 1: the most important point of this whole situation that's gotten
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  Speaker 1: lost in this battle over Donald Trump's ego and how
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  Speaker 1: effective his air strikes were. So we now know that
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  Speaker 1: they were legitimate, that there's obviously a very aggressive nuclear
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  Speaker 1: program in Iran that needed to be destroyed or dismantled
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  Speaker 1: or disrupted whatever it is that we did that, So
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  Speaker 1: that is important. That's I think, again, mostly probably the
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  Speaker 1: most underrated part of this whole story, and it's partially
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  Speaker 1: Trump's fault, because Trump has to make this a battle
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  Speaker 1: over whether or not the right word is obliterated or
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  Speaker 1: badly damaged or whatever it is. As far as the
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  Speaker 1: actual result, I have no way of knowing. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think anybody knows how much damage was done. Weirdly, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's DBS faced. The Nation did a pretty fair report,
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  Speaker 1: quoting a UN watchdog. Of course, I am no fan
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  Speaker 1: of the United Nations at all, but this seemed like
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  Speaker 1: a pretty fair report. It seemed to indicate that the
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  Speaker 1: truth of this old matter is somewhere between what Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump said originally without any possible real information, because there's
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  Speaker 1: no way you could know definitively immediately after the strikes
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  Speaker 1: how damaging they had been, and maybe more in between that,
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  Speaker 1: and in between what CNN and The New York Times
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: seemed to be portraying, which was that the damage really
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't all that much at all for the record, so
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm always trying to figure out what the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: truth is. This felt pretty credible, especially coming from a
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: couple of different left wing organizations, CBS and the United Nations.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And here's what they reported on this topic.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: It's been one week since US strikes on three Iranian
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: nuclear facilities. The head of the UNS nuclear watchdog agency
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: says the attack costs severe damage but did not obliterate them,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: as President Trump has insisted. Raphael Grossi also told face
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: the nation Iran's nuclear enrichment program is not over.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: The capacities they have are there, They can have, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: in a matter of months, I would say a few
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: cascades of centrifuges spinning and producing enriched uranium.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Cbs is MTS taiab is in Tehran, with more.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Jureka, Good evening. Well, most Iranians we've been speaking to
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: really aren't giving much attention to reports of how quickly
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: their leadership can or cannot start enriching uranium. So we
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: sat down with CBS News's long time Iran based producer
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: to try and better understand more about what the mood
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: is here after all war with Israel, said Rahim bat
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Aai has long been cedis News his eyes and ears
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: in Iran for sixteen years. He's introduced us to everyday
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Iranians don't shared with us their hopes and fears.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: After twelve days of devastating war with Israel, we've seen
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: a certain level of national unity we haven't before. What
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: do you account for that?
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: Iran is an Asian country with an Asian civilization more
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: than five thousand years of history, so they want to
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: preserve it. They say, we are the nation, we have
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: a national identity. Don't smash, don't try even to smash,
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: or don't insult our pride and dis deep civilization.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: If the US in Israel was able to use military
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: force to collapse this regime, what would happen to Iran
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: and the wider region, Well.
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: That would be a disaster. We have already seen what
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: happened in Libya, in what happened in Syria, Iraq. Actually
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: it's a big example for us. That's a disaster for
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: the region.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Are you hopeful for the future.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: I think we are going towards darker pace. That's very unfortunate.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: You think you're going towards darker days.
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: I'm not a fortune teller, but my instinct tells me, yes,
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: we are going towards darker dace. But I strongly I
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: hope I'm wrong.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: A desire for peace, jureka that many people we've been
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: speaking to here in Iran hope is heard in Tel
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Aviv and Washington.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Mts Taya, thank you.
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: So.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think we know for sure what the truth is.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: We may never know what the truth is, but that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: report there felt like it was pretty fair and probably
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: as close to the truth as anything that we have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: seen so far. But just one more time, bottom line,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it was a remarkable operation. It was clearly the right
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: thing to do. We now know that in the aftermath
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: more so than we did beforehand. And Trump deserves credit
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: for that. He steps all over a lot of this
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: situation by trying to take too much credit and then
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: having a battle over the press not accepting his narrative,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: which I think is wrong and concerning. And it wasn't
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: just an issue of how much credit do I get
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: or how awesome these air strikes were. He's threatening reporters,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: he's threatening their sources. He's threatening Thomas Massey, Republican libertarian
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: congressman from Kentucky, who he said during the aftermath of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the airstrikes he was going to primary in next year's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: election because Massey was not on board, because Massey is
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a philosophical libertarian and believes that Trump didn't have the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: authority to do what he did. So to me, this
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: was not nearly the success in perception that it should
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: have been if Trump had just been more realistic about
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the whole thing instead of trying to declare this as
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the greatest thing that ever happened and attack everybody that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: didn't accept that narrative without any evidence. You know, he
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: does what he does, and it's a very frustrating thing
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: because I am trying to be supportive of Trump by
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and large in this whole situation, and he took what
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: should have been at least a B plus, if not
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: a n ame minus and made it probably into a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: B minus, maybe a C plus, depending on how this
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: all turns out. Although I will fully acknowledge as of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: right now, we've got a ceasefire between Iran and Israel.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: He's also claiming a ceasefire in Gaza, although as of
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: this taping, there's no actual evidence of that. And that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: goes back to this whole issue of Trump's credibility. It's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: very frustrating to have a president United States who is
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: not a reliable source, and you and the press is
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: correct to not take his word as gospel because he
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: is at best a pathological serial exaggerator and at worst,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he's a liar, so especially when it's in his extreme
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: self interest to lie. So that is a very very
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: frustrating thing, especially when you're trying to figure out what
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the truth is and when you're trying to be as
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: fair as possible. That also, in a weird way, sets
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: up what's been going on also in the aftermath of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the air strikes in Iran, which is the debate over
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the so called Big Beautiful Bill, where Trump has been
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: using a lot of threats similar to the ones that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: he's used on Thomas Massey to try to get Republicans
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: in line to support his one big piece of legislation.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And let's be clear as partially why it's called the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Bill. It's because, as I and other commentators
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have mentioned many many times, there haven't been any laws
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: passed yet in Trump two point zero. Basically, as I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: have described it, Trump has built a lot of sand
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: castles that at best are going to be wiped away
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: as soon as he's out of office. There have been
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: no real laws passed to permanently change anything. So he's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: trying to do this all in one fell swoop under
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the budget reconciliation rules, which allows for passage to be
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a lot easier. You don't need a sixty vote filibuster
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: proof majority in the Senate. And basically what has happened
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is that Trump jammed one version of the bill through
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the House barely partially because the Democrats lost a couple
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of seats, one because of a death. Without that, there's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a really good chance this never gets through the House.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: And then most recently has been trying to get it
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and did get it through the US Senate in a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: fifty one to fifty vote that had to be a
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: fifty to fifty tie broken by Vice President JD. Vance.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: In the process, Trump threatened Senator Tom Tillis from North Carolina,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: so much so that Tillis announced that he is leaving
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the US Senate, where he might be replaced as the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Republican nominee in twenty twenty six by Laura Trump. Now,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I want to pause for a second here because this,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to me is a classic Trump situation where Trump as
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: mob boss sees a circumstance where Tillis isn't on board
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: with a big, beautiful bill, which is a monstrosity. I'm
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: basically on board with Elon Musk's view of this, which
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'll get to momentarily, that this is an absolute joke
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and an embarrassment, and that if a Democratic president was
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: trying to pass something similar, Republicans would be absolutely outraged,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: especially the manner in which this is being passed. At
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: least appears to be being passed as of this taping.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But Tillis was not on board. So Trump the mob boss,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: declares that he's going to make sure that Tillis is
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: defeated in next year's election in a Republican primary. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Tilla says, you know what, screw you, I'm out I'm retiring, which,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of course, you know, Trump never being particularly good at
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: chess means that Trump lost a vote on the Big
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill permanently, right, because now you have no leverage
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: over Tillis. In threatening Tillis, you have no leverage over him.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And of course Tillis did not end up voting for
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the Big Beautiful Bill. And in my opinion, this has
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: opened up the very strong possibility that Democrats are going
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to win a very key Senate seat in North Carolina
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, especially if the nominee is Laura Trump,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: who has no real connection in North Carolina, isn't qualified,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: gets all the negatives of the Trump name and none
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of the real positives of the Trump name. She's not
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: even a biological relative of Donald Trump. She's a daughter
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in law of Donald Trump. And I don't know who
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the Democrats would put up against her if she's the nominee,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: but it would at least bring in the possibility of
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: losing a very key Senate seat. So Trump, the checkers player,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: gets pissed off at Tillis, removes any leverage he has
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: over Tillis in the Big Beautiful Bill debate, as well
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: as for the rest of his term. Right, he's lost
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: any leverage over Tillis through the next year and a half.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: If there any Senate votes that he really needs Tillis
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to support him on. That's really brilliant because now Tillis
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: is retiring, and I think he's certainly opened up the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: possibility the Democrats are going to win that Senate seat
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Who knows, but it's certainly a greater
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: possibility now than if you have a moderate incumbent that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: is running for reelection in North Kimele Carolina. So that was,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I will say, to be fair, one thing
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that the Tillis threat and retirement did do was that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: it probably worked as a deterrent against other Republican senators
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: who were thinking about jumping ship on the Big Beautiful bill. Interestingly,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: it did not work against Rand Paul. Ran Paul from Kentucky,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: much like Thomas Massey, also from Kentucky, is a bit
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of a libertarian. He is a principal guy. He's hardly perfect,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: but he is smart. I tend to like Rand Paul.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I trust him on this particular issue. He hates this bill.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And so it was Tillis and ran Paul and Susan
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Collins not a surprise, being a moderate who voted against
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the Big Beautiful Bill. This made it a fifty to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: fifty split and that caused JD. Vance to have to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: come in and save it in the US Senate to
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: send it back to the House. Now, it's possible that
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: by the time you hear this episode of the Pope
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: guess that the House will have passed this version of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the bill, But that's uncertain as of right now because
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the way they're doing this is really not the normal process.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: This is take it or leave it. This is not
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the same bill that the House passed a few weeks ago.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: This is essentially a completely different and many people, including
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: ram Paul, say a worse version of the bill than
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that barely passed the House. My gut tells me that
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: House members are a lot easier to twist arms with
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and to intimidate, especially since they're all up for reelection
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. Republicans only have three votes that
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they can lose in the House. But I somehow think
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Trump is going to get what he wants here. That's
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: my gut instinct, although there is still legitimate question about that. Now,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: this whole issue in the Senate I found to be
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: fascinating and incredibly telling as well as depressing, and how
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the sausage got made here and where we are when
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: it comes to our system of government, and how the
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: founding fathers would have been absolutely apoplectic over what transpired here.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I want to play two clips, The first from rand
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Paul explaining why he is against the Big Beautiful Bill
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and also specifically referencing Alaska and Senator Lisa Murkowski, who
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: ended up being the key vote in this whole situation.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Ran Paul really kind of evisceraates her the bill, the process,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and also talks about whether or not the House is
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: actually going to pass this crappy version of the bill
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that got through barely the Senate because of the tie
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: breaking vote by JD. Vance. So here first, before I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: play a remarkable clip from Lisa Murkowski. Here is Republican
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Senator Ran Paul from Kentucky. The Big not so Beautiful
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Bill has passed.
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: The one thing that's first is that it will be
• 34:01
  Speaker 10: bigger than this year. The bill includes over five hundred
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: billion dollars in new spending, and at the end to
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: get the vote of the Alaska Senator. Billions and billions
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: and billions more were added. At least fifty billion dollars
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: was added for hospital fund.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: In the end, we don't have any of that money.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: All of it's borrowed. All of that spending will have
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: Borrowed, and this bill will lead to a much greater
• 34:25
  Speaker 10: deficit over time. And I don't believe.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: It's facially responsible.
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: Did they try and convince you to vote for the
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: bill by trying to do something different with the debt ceiling.
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: I had told them all along that I would consider
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: voting for it if we separated out the debt ceiling
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: or reduced it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago.
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: I offered to extend the debt ceiling for three months,
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: which is about five hundred billion dollars. I offered that again,
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: and there was a time in which they had to
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: make a decision dealing with me and reducing the debt
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: ceiling or giving pork and subsidies to Alaska. They chose
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: to add more pork and subst He's for Alaska to
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: secure that. You talk to your house colleagues, do you
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: think there could be some that will vote against this?
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: I think they're going to look at it and see
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: that it's much less conservative than it started out to be,
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: and it's going to add much more to the dead.
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: And so I think, without question, this is not a
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: fiscally conservative bill. And if you're someone who thinks the
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: dead is a problem, I don't.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: See how you could vote with So Ram Paul said
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of interesting things there, most of which I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: agree with, but most interestingly he cites specifically Alaska in
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: reference to Lisa Murkowski. Now, Lisa Murkowski is always an
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: interesting one. She is allegedly a Republican. She has at
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: times run because she was forced to in Alaska as
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: an independent. Alaska is a super weird state to begin with. Obviously,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it's the largest geographical state, but it has a very
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: very small population, one of the smallest populations in the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: United States. The federal government is extremely involved in Alaska
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for lots of different reasons. And Lisa Murkowski is somebody
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: who has said that she has never voted for Donald Trump.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So you have the ultimate anti Trump, never Trump, pseudo
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Republican who is the Senator from Alaska, and she ends
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: up voting for this monstrosity. Why Well, because she was
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: paid off apparently not directly and personally. She was paid
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: off by pork for her state billions and billions and
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars to Alaska that they would not have
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: gotten except for the fact that they needed to buy
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski's vote. And they're not even pretending about this.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: That's what's so amazing about this. I mean, this is
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: as swampy as it gets. Remember draining the swamp? Remember that, folks, Yeah,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I remember the swamp. Well this I've been watching politics
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: for you know, most of my fifty eight years, or
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: at least fifty years, I've been pretty involved in watching politics.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I can never remember a situation that was more overtly
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: swampy than this. Now I'm not naive this kind of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: stuff has happened forever and ever, but it's never been
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: more overt, so overt that even Murkowski is not denying it,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in fact, in a weird way, is bragging about it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And I would like you, since I referenced hipocrisy earlier
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: in this episode of the podcast, what would happen? What
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: would be the MAGA world reaction if a democratic president
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: was trying to force through this massive monstrosity that was
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: going to explode the debt and the deficit in unprecedented ways.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And in order to get the tie breaking voter to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: get the vote to a tie so that they could
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: use the Vice President of the United States to pass
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: this thing, they paid off a moderate Republican in Lisa Mkowski.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Magaworld would have their pitchforks out antiki torches for Lisa
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Murkowski if everything was exactly the same, And yet instead
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: there's very little MAGA world distress about Lisa Murkowski. Why
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: because she voted on the same side that the king wanted.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: That's a monarchy. That's not a democratic republic. This is
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: not anything close to the system that are Founding Fathers
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: intended or anticipated. And I have to tell you, in
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a weird way, I kind of respect Murkowski for openly
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: admitting that she was paid off. I'm going to play
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: a clip that went viral in an interview that a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: reporter by the name of Ryan Nobles did with Murkowski
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that even though it went viral to me, it didn't
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: go viral enough. This is maybe the most remarkable interview
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: about a key vote that I have ever seen in
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: my life. This should be used as a case study
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: until perpetuity in political science, classes in every college in America.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not exaggerating here. Now, part of the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: extraordinary nature of this clip is better experienced in video
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: because she got to see Murkowski's face, and there's some
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: pauses here where Mkowski is kind of giving Nobles the
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: death Claire. At least that's the way it appears. But
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: then she keeps talking. I kept waiting for her to
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: walk away, and then instead she not only didn't walk away,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: she basically full acknowledged that she was paid off on
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: behalf of her state and tries to justify it and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: even brag about it, all while also admitting that this
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: bill is terrible and that at least in her view,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: much of the rest of the country is gonna suffer
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: because of what she did. But because she got paid
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: enough on behalf of Alaska, she was willing to cast
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the key vote in allowing it to pass the US Senate.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: This is absolutely extraordinary on so many different levels. And
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: so here it is this interview between Ryan Nobles and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: There the Senator Paul said that this was that your
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: vote was a bailout for Alaska at the expense of
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: the rest.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Of the country.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's what Senator Paul said.
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: I guess it was easy.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Senator, We've got the uh. I didn't say it, ma'am.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: I'm just asking for your response.
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: My response is I have an obligation to the people
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: of the state of Alaska, and I live up to
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: that every single day. I fight for my state's interests
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: and I make sure that Alaskans are understood. I work
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: hard to take care of a state that has more
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: unique situations, more unique people, and it's just different.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: When people suggest that federal dollars go to one of
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: our fifty states in a quote bailout, I find that offensive.
• 41:51
  Speaker 11: I advocated for my state's interests. I will continue to
• 41:57
  Speaker 11: do that, and I will make no excuses for doing that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Do I like this bill?
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: No, because I tried to take care of Alaska's interests.
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: But I know I know that in many parts of
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: the country there are Americans that are not going to
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: be advantaged by this bill. I don't like that. I
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: don't like the fact that we moved through an artificial deadline,
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: an artificial timeline to produce something to meet a deadline,
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: rather than to actually try to produce the best bill
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: for the country. But when I saw the direction that
• 42:44
  Speaker 11: this is going, you know you can you can either
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: say I don't like it, not try to help my state,
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: or you can roll up whose sleeves.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I honestly do not believe that I'm over hyping what
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: an extraordinary exchange that was. And to me, it was
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: very telling and very depressing about where we are in
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: our politics and in our society and why we are
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: so doomed. I mean, this is one of the biggest,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: if not the biggest pieces of legislation that has ever
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: gone through the United States Congress. Again, by the time
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you hear this, it's quite possible it may have passed
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the House and will become law all because Donald Trump
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: wants it. That's the only reason Donald Trump, again acting
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: as a king, demanded the One Big, Beautiful Bill before
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: July fourth, an artificial deadline, which Murkowski references as being
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: part of the problem here, because whenever you rush something,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: when you rush something this big, it's always going to suck,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: especially when you've got to figure out a way to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: buy off certain votes and not offend other votes, and
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you have no margin for error. I don't even need
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to know all the details. I don't even need to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: know all the details other than you know, the scoring
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: on the deficit was horrendous. I trust ram Paul on that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I trust Elon Musk on that this is going to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: be a deficit nuclear bob. Now, there might be some
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: other good parts about it, you know, the border stuff,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: maybe the tax cut stuff. Fine, I'm not saying it's
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: all bad. But I don't even need to know all
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the details. I can just tell from the Murkowski interview,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the ram Paul interview, the timing and the politics of this,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: where this is all about giving Donald Trump, the King,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: what he wants, and Donald Trump doesn't give a fuck
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: about what's going to happen years from now because of this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: He will be gone. He may be dead for him,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: hopefully he'll be retired and playing golf. He will be protected.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: He does not care. He just wants this achievement. That's
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: what he wants. The future of the country be damned.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And I've mentioned Elon Musk effectively declaring war against this.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk ever since the breakup between he and Trump
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: has been basically very quiet when it comes to politics.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: His Twitter feed, which used to be extremely political for
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: weeks turned into nothing but a commercial for Tesla. That's
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: really all it was, and maybe Spacelink. And then all
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, as the debate heated up in the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: US Senate, Musk started tweeting against the so called big
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill. And he didn't just tweet against it mildly.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: He put everything on the line. He promised that he
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: would effectively fund primaries against any Republican and who voted
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: for this, and he declared that those people would lose
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: their races if it's the last thing he does on earth,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the last thing he does on earth. He also once
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: again threatened to fund a third party, which of course
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: would be the death of the Republican Party, because if
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: you ever had Elon Musk truly funding a real third party,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that would be the greatest thing that ever happened to Democrats.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: There would be no possible way for Democrats to lose
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in many places across the country. And that's therein lies
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the big problem and why I don't think that Musk
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: is actually going to do that, but it will be
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: very interesting to see whether or not he carries out
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: his threats on individuals, because he easily could do that.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: He is also pledged by the way to try to
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: protect Thomas Massey, which I approve of, by funding him
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: in his race, where Trump has declared Massy persona non
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: grada because of his lack of support not just on
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the big beautiful Bill, but also the airstrikes on Iran.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: But Elon Musk, even if he doesn't one n follow
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: through with these threats, is a big, big potential problem.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, even if he just goes through with this halfheartedly,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: he could easily easily cause the Democrats to win the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six midterm elections. Easily. I mean just a shift.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I mean the margins are so small. Just a shift
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: in the in the Twitter slash x algorithms would probably
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: do it if you if you did it properly, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: you know, in a in a in a way that
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: was particularly effective. But that doesn't even really count all
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the money that must can put into one side or
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: the other. Not to mention his criticism of the bill,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: You don't think the Democrats are gonna use Elon Musk's
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: very declarative, dramatic criticisms of the bill in their campaign
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. Of course they are, and they're
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be moderate voters to whom that has an influence
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: because Trump and Musk we're seeing as co presidents, and
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: now Musk isn't just saying this is a bad idea.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Musk is saying this is the destruction of America. And
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: so if the perception of the bill or the law,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: assuming it becomes law, is not super popular, which my
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: guess is it won't be. The polls already indicate that
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it's not a particularly popular bill. I don't know that
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: in a year, you know, in a year and a
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: half tops, just over a year, you can really see
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a great positive impact. Maybe you can. Maybe people will
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: like some of the tax cuts and the border provisions.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: That is possible that by next November this thing will
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: be seen as popular enough to where Republicans aren't in
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: huge danger. But the margins are so small that if
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk wanted to in various different ways, he could
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: easily cause Republicans to lose their majority in the House
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and maybe even the Senate. I mean, if North Carolina
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: falls because tillis retired and a couple of others, it
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: is possible, not likely, but it is possible, especially if
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the economy is not seen as improved, or if it's
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: seen as getting worse than it was when Trump took office,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: then all bets are off. We've seen dramatic shifts in
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: midterm elections and Republicans who used to do very very
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: well in midterm elections have not done well in midterm
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: elections ever since the Trump era because why Trump's not
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: on the back. See that's part of the equation here
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that trump'sters really don't appreciate. It's weird because in an
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: odd way, I'm actually giving more credit politically to Donald Trump.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: It is my view, based upon the elections that have
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: occurred just before Trump came on the scene and during
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: his presidency, that we've had a major shift. We went
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: from Democrats doing better in presidential elections and Republicans doing
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: better in midterm elections to exactly the opposite because of
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the Trump magic. And that's shifting demographics of the Republican vote.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Trump, now all of a sudden, Republicans do
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: better in presidential elections, but they're doing worse in midterm
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: elections because Trump's not on the ballot. And you get,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: much like Laura Trump would in North Carolina, you get
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: all the negative baggage without any of the positives, especially
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: since Trump won't even be up for reelection in twenty
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: twenty eight and may not even give a shit now
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: should care because his last two years will be completely
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: irrelevant if Democrats take over one or two houses of Congress,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: and he'll probably be impeached. But he's been impeached twice before,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: so he doesn't really give a shit about that either.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: And he doesn't seem to care about Elon Musk. Now
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: he's making threats about going after Elon Musk, maybe deporting him.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen, but Trump kind of
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: joked about that. He's still lying about the whole reason
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: why Elon Musk turned against him was because of the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: ev mandate. That's a total and complete lie. I mean,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: this divorce is now one hundred percent real, and it
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: will have an impact. You cannot lose a unicorn like
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk and turn him into an enemy and not
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: have political ramifications. And how big those ramifications are going
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: to be. I have no idea, but they're going to exist.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And this is all because of Donald Trump. And this
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: is all so consistent with Trump's entire mo short term
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: perceived victories. The future be damned. It doesn't matter what's
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: gonna happen in the future. Trump lives like a guy
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: who thinks he's gonna die tomorrow. And this is the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: whole Checkers versus Chess thing, and his fans understandably think
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: he is on a roll. All these great victories. And
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I've given credit on the Iran strikes and the ceasefire
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: and maybe what's happening with God. So I don't know yet.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: There's all sorts of reasons to praise in at least
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: in the short term, what Trump is doing, but he
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: is setting us up for not just long term defeat,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: long term destruction. Now what the long term is, I
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: don't know. Two four, five, six, ten years, I don't know,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: but it's it's gonna happen. And Elon Musk is sounding
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the alarm. Ran Paul is sounding the alarm. And it's
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: just remarkable that, you know, most of Maga world that
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: praised Elon as effectively a co president just a few
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: months ago, is now discounting everything he has to say
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: on this. And you know, because it's a cult, that's
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: what this is. And you know, Trump doesn't care about
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the ramifications of pissing off Elon Musk because he probably
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: won't suffer any He's never going to be on the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: ballot again. And I don't I really don't think he
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: gives a shit about the Republican majority. I think the
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: way he reacted to Massy until Us proves he actually
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: hates most of these Republicans. He probably would be happy
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: to see Republicans lose the majority. He won't have to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: do anything his last two years of this sign a
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: bunch of eos that'll get erased the moment that he's
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: out of office, assuming JD Vance doesn't win in twenty
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: twenty eight. But you know, I'm just this big, beautiful
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: bill thing is really a classic example of the price
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: we are paying for how broken our political system is.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Trump didn't break it, but Trump exacerbated the problems. And
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Trump is getting a short term victory for what will
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: be a longer term defeat. How big a defeat and
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: when that defeat will be felt, I don't know, but
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it will, no question about it. Now. There's other areas
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: where Trump is getting victories. The Supreme Court had three
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: major rulings since our last episode of the podcast that
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: were perceived I think rightly as victories for Trump. The
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: biggest one involving judicial power. Although it was supposed to
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: be about birthright citizenship, effectively all the Supreme Court did
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: was punt on that, but they essentially gave Trump the
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: go ahead to do a lot about a lot of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: what he wants to do and curtailed the power of
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: these regional judges, if you will, from putting injunctions on
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: presidential power. This was seen as a real rebuke by
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court on judicial power and essentially a
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: promotion of presidential power, specifically Trump power. There were also
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: important cases on parents' religious rights involving LBGTQ. There was
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: also a very pro life decision by the US Supreme Court,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: but it was the judicial power decision that got the
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: most attention, partially because it's seemingly going to help Trump
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: do a lot of what he wants to do, but
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: also because it highlighted and absolutely amazing. I don't even
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: know what you would call it a debate, a SmackDown,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: a war between Amy Comy Barrett and Justice Jackson, where
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: for all intentsive purposes, Amy Komby Bart made the greatest
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: comeback in maga world history. I mean It was only
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago where Barrett was being criticized
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: greatly in maga world. Liberal media outlets were actually doing
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: including New York Times, We're doing major stories on Gee.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe Amy Koby Barrett wasn't that bad the
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: second look at Amy Kobe Barrett. Maybe she's just different
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: than we thought she would be. Maybe Trump got a
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: little duped by Barrett. That was the narrative. That was
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: a legitimate narrative. And now, all of a sudden, because
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: of all these six three decisions where Barrett was not
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: just on board, but on the most important one, she's
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: dunking on Justice Jackson, who was the dei hire by
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: President Joe Biden and who is just a dingbat and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: was proven to be such in this war with Barrett,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: where Jackson just embarrassed herself and Barrett did not hold
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: back in her opinion, and on this case where she
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: really went after Jackson about as overtly as I can
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: ever remember in the modern history of the Supreme Court.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: So now, all of a sudden, Barrett is a Maga hero,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: when not more than two weeks ago, she was seen
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: as unreliable, as a turncoat of someone who had not
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: been reliable for Donald Trump, maybe even trade Donald Trump,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, she's a hero. So
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the life comes at you fast, especially in the age
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump and MAGA world. But more victories for Trump,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: and clearly Trump deserves credit for these victories, because without
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his victories, as obviously the first time around,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: we haven't had a Supreme Court, you know, change in
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the second administration, although I would urge Justice Thomas and
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Alito to think about retirement while Republicans still hold the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: US Senate and the presidency. But obviously, because of Trump's
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: win in twenty sixteen, we have the current makeup of
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Now, I would argue that it wouldn't
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: be nearly as bad as a lot of magaworld people
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: would claim. I've explained this in the past in great detail.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to waste your time on it now,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: but no question about it, it would not be six'
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: to three at least somewhat conservative to liberal breakdown on
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: The court Without trump winning in twenty, Sixteen and there
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: are benefits to, that And trump deserves credit for. That
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: there's also an emerging narrative WHICH i think might be
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a little too optimistic that, maybe just Maybe trump is
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: actually winning on tariffs, now even though we haven't seen
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: any of the great deals that he has been constantly
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: promising and claiming are on the verge of, happening and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: certainly not With, china which is the one that matters the.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Most the stock market has fully recovered as of this
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: tape from the disaster that was the initial stages of
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the whole tariff, situation and so are those that are
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: starting to claim that is it possible that THE us
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: economy has actually endured The trump tariffs? NOW i think
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: it's quite possible that it's too soon to. Tell that
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: this is a classic example Of trump people declaring victory.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Prematurely there's a terrible jobs repoored out. Today those tend
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: to be unreliable and can be, schizophrenic but it's not good.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: News it was very much under what was. Expected So
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: i'm not willing to buy into this narrative as of,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: yet but it certainly is consistent with this idea That
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: trump keeps piling up the victories and is it possible
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that he's getting one on tariffs even before any of
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: these big deals have ever actually been. Made i'm skeptical of,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that but it's out. There trump absolutely did get another
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: victory when it came to this issue of settling WITH
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Cbs paramount over the so called sixty minutes editing. Controversy
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: sixty minutes, unfortunately in my, view got embarrassed by their parent,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Company paramount AND cbs because they will be paying The
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump Presidential library at least sixteen million dollars in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a settlement of that, case which is remarkably similar to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: what happened WITH Abc Good Morning, America George stapmanopolis when
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: it came to a settlement With trump over the issue
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Of trump being a. RAPIST i actually think that even
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: THOUGH i disagree with WHAT abc, did there was actually
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  Speaker 1: at least a little bit of substance to WHY abc
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  Speaker 1: matter and WHAT abc did was a huge mistake in
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  Speaker 1: caving To Donald. Trump but at least there was a
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  Speaker 1: colonel a kernel of legal vulnerability. There in my, view
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  Speaker 1: there was no legal vulnerability on the part OF cbs
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  Speaker 1: and in, fact speaking of, precedents if in fact there
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: was a precedent being set, here AND i hope there's,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: not but certainly in perception there will be the idea
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: that the way you edit and interview can make you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: vulnerable to a at least sixteen million dollars settlement with
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: The president of The United states would have a massive
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: and incredibly, destructive chilling effect on the entire industry of,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: journalism to the extent that journalism even exists in this
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: day and. Age this was a massive cave By PARAMOUNT,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: cbs and so why did they do? It, well it
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't just the precedent OF abc, saying, hey you, know
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  Speaker 1: this isn't all that badamin, idea we get On trump's good,
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  Speaker 1: side we get rid of this legal, headache and who
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: really gives a shit about our journalists, Anyway they aren't
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: really making us much money. Anymore so from a corporate,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: standpoint let's just get rid of this headache and use
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: it as a way to Kiss trump's. Ass that's the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: way the corporate bigwigs see. This but the real reason
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: WHY cbs did it is That paramount is in the
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  Speaker 1: process of being sold and needs federal approval And trump knows,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: this and this Is trump acting as mob boss. Again
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: this is the exact same stuff That magaworld Cheers trump
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: for that if it was done by a democratic president
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: or president they didn't, like they would be screaming bloody.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Murder and rightfully, so he's using his position as presidential
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: mob boss to INTIMIDATE cbs paramount and to, saying you know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: what we need to get rid of this so that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: our impending sale will be approved by fred federal regulators
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: that are controlled By Donald, trump because the entire federal
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: government effectively is now a cult on behalf Of King.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: TRUMP i, mean this is. OUTRAGEOUS cbs did something. WRONG
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: i criticized it like every other conservative commentator did on
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: this podcast with regard to that editing and what they
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: showed in The Kamala Harris Bill whitaker. Interview it was,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: wrong it was, biased it was not, illegal and in
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: a rational, world it should have been. Fixed it should
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: have been apologized. For there should have been. Transparency, okay
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: here's the actual response To harris gave we screwed. Up
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: we take this. Seriously we're not gonna do it. Again
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: in the big boy. World that's the way it would be.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Handled but we don't live in that world. Anymore And
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: trump is both part of the reason why we don't
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: live in that world, anymore and he's taking advantage of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the fact that we don't live in that world. Anymore,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: trump as mob, boss saw the vulnerability of Where paramount.
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  Speaker 1: Was he's not, dumb especially in this, area and he
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: forced them into at least could be more than, this
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: apparently a sixteen million dollars settlement for something that they
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: did that was, wrong, dumb but not. Illegal and this
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: will HAVE i think even more of a chilling effect
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: than The Good Morning AMERICA Abc george Stad monopolis settlement did.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: So trump has four settlements With, Meta Mark, Zuckerberg, facebook
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: what have you, See Good Morning, america and even now
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: sixty minutes AND, cbs the formerly revered name of sixty minutes,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Caves and to be, clear they're not the ones that.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Cave i'm sure they're pissed off as all, hell and rightfully,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: so even though they made a massive, mistake you, know
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: so they deserve some culpability for. This but they got
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: sold out by their corporate overlords who were more concerned
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: about getting their impending sale approved By Donald trump's regulators
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: than they are about the future of. Journalism and herein
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: lies the death of. Journalism and obviously that's the title
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: of this. Podcast but, this, folks is the death of.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Journalism i've talked all the time about how the broken
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: business model has destroyed, journalism AND i could not possible
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: have conceived of a more obvious example than this. One
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: because journalism used to pay the, bills journalism used to be,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: protected not really because those in charge at the corporate
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: level cared all that much about. Journalism i'm willing to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: believe that in the olden, days like the seventies and,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: eighties there were owners that really did care about, journalism you,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: know The Washington there was A Tom Hanks Meryl streep
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: movie about The Washington post, owner you, know really caring about.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Journalism So i'm willing to accept that that did exist
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: in the. Past But i've also, talked and we talked
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: in the last episode about how this is happening in
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: sports where private equity is taking over. Sports and so
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: now when you have people that really don't give a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: shit about the, product they don't care about winning championships
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: in the sports, world now they're beholding this, shareholders and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: all they care about is dividends and. Growth they don't
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: care about. Journalism they're not people that grew up in.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: It they actually see journalism as a. Nuisance they're massive.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Conglomerates the owners own way more than just this one
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: shrinking media, Outlet and so now we've gone from a
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: situation where media outlets used to be owned by individuals
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: at times or small groups of, individuals and they were massively,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: profitable to now having huge corporations that have all sorts
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: of issues that are way more important to them than
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: what's going on with this one news media, outlet which
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: is not producing nearly the same kind of profit that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: it used, to is bringing with it all sorts of.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Headaches so guess. What the leverage has completely, shifted and
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: now journalists isn't even part of the, equation and the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: corporate bigwigs are AT abc AND. Cbs by the, way
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: it's not EVEN abc AND, cbs It's disney And. Paramount
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: this is they don't even give a. Shit they would
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: actually like it now if Sixty minutes didn't, exist which
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: it probably won't in the not too distant. Future this
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: is where this is all headed where journalism is too
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: much of a headache and is not creating enough profit
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: for these corporations to defend. Journalism they would much rather,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: cave especially when you have a king Like Donald. Trump and,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: LOOK i understand from their, perspective from paramount's, standpoint purely
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: from a corporate, perspective this probably makes. SENSE i, Mean
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: trump gets a huge win, here he gets the sixty
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: million dollars for his present cdential, library he gets to declare,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Victory he humiliates sixty. Minutes there's a chilling effect on
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: the media in general AND cbs sixty minutes in. Particular
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: it furthers his narrative of fake news and how anybody
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: that criticizes him is not to be, trusted WHICH i
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: think is incredibly. DANGEROUS i, mean there's no bigger media
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: critic than. Me but occasionally the media does still tell
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: the truth about important. Things and now we're living in
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: a world where they're not even allowed to question how
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: successful the airstrikes And iran really were without being called
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: unpatriotic and being threatened with legal action by The President United.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: States So trump sees this. Vulnerability trump understands this world exceedingly.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Well this is his, wheelhouse and he is absolutely positively,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: one but at what? Cost and that to me is Classic,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: trump Classic. Trump his victories are almost entirely for. Him
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: his cult thinks that they're For maga world and you,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: know fuck the. Enemy and you, know we hate the.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Media sometaything that's bad for the media is good For. America, no, no, no,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: no not in the long, run it's. Not and we
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: have a perfect storm of circumstances, here a perfect storm
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: of circumstances Where Donald trump has both exacerbated and taken
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: advantage of the destruction of the business model of modern.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Journalism and now we've seen even sixty minutes sacrificed by
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: their corporate overlords At paramount all because they're Afraid Donald
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: trump and is and federal regulators might not approve an impending.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Sale that's what happened. Here this is the. End this
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: is the death of journalism as we know it. Now
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: it's happened you, know years, ago was long time in.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Coming but this is one of the final nails in
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: the coffin right. Here and the people AT Cbs news
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: have got to be, very very pissed. Off apparently they.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Are BUT i will just add you know, what you
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: deserve a lot of blame for this. Too you lost
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: public trust over the, years and you know you've made
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: a mistake, here and you should have been more. Careful
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: you should have understood the vulnerability of your, situation that
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: you've lost all the leverage you used to. Have and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: so therefore we best mind our p's and, q's, dot
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: all our, ey's, cross all our, t's and not fuck.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Up they didn't do, that so they deserve blame. Too
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: but in the bigger, picture this is a, very very
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: bad situation for the state of. Journalism now moving to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: The New York City mayor's race where, zoron Ma'am donnie.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Shocked i'm not sure why this was a shock shocked
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: the world by winning The democratic primary Over Andrew. Cuomo
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: and this guy is a full ON ai version of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the left's wet dream of a socialist. DEMOCRAT i, mean
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: he really. Is this is not an. Exaggeration if there
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: was AN ai version of a woke, socialist this is
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: what would come. About this is what would be created
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: by artificial. Intelligence and he Defeated cuomo Because cuomo was
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: the perfect candidate for this, guy, old, discredited, tired you,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: know there's an anger among the far left of The Democratic.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Party they, want you, know somebody that's going to bring
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: new life there against the old guard that they see
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: as being defeated By Donald. Trump, So ma'm. Donnie to,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: me it wasn't a surprise that he. Won were indicating
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: towards the end that he was going to. Win people
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: were hesitant to believe. That but he did in fact
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: win fairly decisively and now is favored to be the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: next mayor Of New York. City and people are now too,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: late too, little too, late maybe freaking out about what this,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: means because this guy is the real deal when it
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: comes to being a. Socialist Now trump is calling him a.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: COMMUNIST i, mean to, me it doesn't really matter when
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: you get in this debate over the definition of socialism versus.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Communism this guy is. Delusional he's delusional about the things
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: that he would be capable of doing as mayor Of New.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: York but he's also totally delusional about what the impact would.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Be and if he got half of what he once,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: done it would be the end Of New. York we're
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: seeing the end of journalism as we know. It this
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: would be the end Of New York, city And i'm
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: just going to play one. CLIP i, mean there's a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: BUNCH i could, play BUT i want you to get
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit of sense of who this guy, is
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: partially because he is actually really. Good that's Why i'm
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: referring to him as THE ai version of a of
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: a woke liberal. Socialist wet dream means. Young he's good,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: looking he's very well, spoken he's. Personable he knows how
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: to manipulate particular demographic. Groups. Uh you, know the media
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: has been questioning him a little bit and showing that
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: he really doesn't understand basic. Math and that's that's a,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: fact he does not understand basic. Math but in, general the,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: media you, know at least likes the. Guy he is.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Charismatic and here he was on NBC's meet The press
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: With Kristen welker where she asks about whether or not
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: billionaires should be allowed to, exist and he addresses that
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: issue in classic socialist, fashion as well as the attacks
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: on him By Donald. Trump and here's what that sounded
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: like ON.
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  Speaker 12: Nbc you are a self described democratic. Socialist do you
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 12: think that billionaires have a right to?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 13: EXIST i don't think that we should have billionaires Because,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 13: frankly it is so much money in a moment of such,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 13: Inequality and, ultimately what we need more of is equality
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 13: across our city and across our state and across our.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 13: Country AND i look forward to work with, everyone including,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 13: billionaires to make a city that is fairer for all of.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 12: Them, well let me ask you about What Donald, trump
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 12: The president of The United, states.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Has had to.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 12: Say is that a lot to say about your? Campaign
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 12: he called you a. Communist because he's the, PRESIDENT i
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 12: want to give you a chance to respond directly to.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Him how do you?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 12: Respond are you a?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Communist, NO i am.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 13: Not AND i have already had to start to get
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 13: used to the fact that the president will talk about
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 13: HOW i, look HOW i, sound Where i'm, from WHO
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 13: i am, ultimately because he wants to distract from What
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 13: i'm fighting, for And i'm fighting for the very working
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 13: people that he ran a campaign to a power that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 13: he has since then. Betrayed and when we talk about
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 13: my top, politics you, KNOW i call myself a democratic
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 13: socialist in many, ways inspired by the words of Doctor
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 13: king from decades, ago who, said call it democracy or
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 13: call it democratic. Socialism there has to be a better
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 13: distribution of wealth for all Of god's children in this.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 13: Country and as income inequality has declined, nationwide it has
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 13: increased In New York. City and ultimately what we need
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 13: is a city where every single person can.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Throw, Now, trump who obviously Loves New York city and
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: is deeply invested In New York, city has vowed to
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: stop ma'm. Donnie. Now he's basically put forward two possibilities,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: here one Defeating Mam donnie in the general, election and
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: two eviscerating his power Because trump would be president If
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: mandannie won and then took office in twenty twenty, five
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: at twenty twenty, six and at twenty twenty five beginning
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. Six, interestingly When trump made his argument
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: that Maybe Eric, adams the incumbent mayor Of New york could,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: win he admitted this was extraordinary and yet largely lost
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: in the midst of all the other news that's been going.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: On he basically admitted that he, himself or at least
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: he bragged that he, did that he killed the federal
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: indictment Of Eric. Adams you may recall That Eric adams
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: was indicted during The biden. Administration trump believes that that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: was because Of adams Supporting trump on the issue of illegal.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: IMMIGRATION i think it actually might be the. REVERSE i
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Think adams saw that this is you, know this is
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: to me is the narrative that makes more. Sense adams
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: saw that he was his goose was, cooked and he
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: was smart enough to throw out a you, know AN
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: sos signal To Donald trump and bet On trump, winning
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: which turned out to be the correct, Bet and so
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: he started Kissing trump's, ass knowing that that's What trump
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: loves more than anything, else and that When trump became,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: president That trump would have an incentive to get rid
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: of the indictment Against, adams because now he's got a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: friend as an ally as the mayor Of New York,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: city a city Where trump is deeply invested, in and,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: so you, KNOW i Think trump would like to see
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: a situation Where adams Defeats Mam, donnie although that would be.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Difficult there's a couple of. Problems one of them is
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: that there's A republican candidate who's been there forever and,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: ever who has no chance of, winning AND i don't
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: think has any incentive to drop, out and so that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: would take up a number of votes Unless trump somehow
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: forced him out of the. Race but the other problem
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: is that the More trump Promotes, adams the More adams
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: has the stench Of trump on, him which is probably
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: already too much for him to win reelection as a Non. Democrat,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: so you, know because Basically adams has been kicked out
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: of The Democratic, party you Have cuomo still talking about
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: running as an, independent And i'm actually not convinced that
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: that might not be the best way of preventing Man
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: donnie from. Winning it's hard to know how this would
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: all turn, out but you need a way to siphon
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: off Hardcore democratic, votes people that would not be willing
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: to pull the trigger For adams because of his association With,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: trump and you need to pull those votes away From.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Mandannie if you've got a three way race Between, Adams,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: cuomo And, MANDANNIE i Think adams would have a. Shot
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: there's not been any good polling That i've seen so.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: FAR i don't think That adams would do well head
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: to head Against, mandannie especially if The republican candidate stayed
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: in the. Race so there is a very good chance
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: that Man donnie is going to. Win and you, know
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: it's at that point Where trump has said he'll do
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: everything he can to Save New York. City, however you,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: know and this is going to probably sound. Crass AND
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: i live three thousand miles away In, california And i'm
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: seeing what's happened here In Los angeles and you, know
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: the northern part of the state Of San. Francisco part
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: of me thinks, that for the betterment of The United
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: states Of, america we just Let New York city. FALL
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: i know that sounds. TERRIBLE i know there would be
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: ramifications for. That it's absolutely unbelievable, that you, know the,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: city which has been perceived as the cradle of capitalism
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: throughout the, world would be run by a guy who
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: is a full, on total whack job. Socialist but you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: What i'm in a place WHERE i am more despondent
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: and more pessimistic than most people. Are And i'm not
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: looking for the entertainment aspect of, it although there are
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: entertaining elements of seeing liberalism. Fail But i'm in the
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: camp Of, okay maybe this would be a really good test.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Case maybe If New York city completely, collapsed the rest
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: of the country would forever see oh, oh, okay this
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: is a, really really bad idea that we ain't going
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: to try. Here and you know it's happened to a
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: certain degree In Los angeles And San. Francisco but to,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Me New York city is unique for a lot of different,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: reasons partially just. GEOGRAPHICALLY i, Mean New York city is
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: incredibly small from a geographic. Perspective one of the problems
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: With Los angeles is that the shitholes In Los angeles
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: get lost amidst the vast geographic region that Is Los.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Angeles so when people think Of Los, angeles even host
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: wildfires that wipe Out Pacific, palisades there's still beautiful areas
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: to look, At and if you want to avoid the,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: shitholes it's possible to do that well In New. York
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: if it really did, collapse that would be much more
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: difficult to, do if only from a geographic. Perspective and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: SO i realized that THAT'S i guess, insensitive but part
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: of me would like to See mandani, win not because
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: it would be good For New york at, all just
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: because it might be better for The United states Of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: america in the long, run and because this would be a,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: classic perfect case study of how this would obviously, Fail
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: this would be a catastrophe For New york if this
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: guy was, elected even though he doesn't really have the
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: authority to do a lot of what he pretends. To
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: But i'm also not convinced he's going to. WIN i
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: don't know what the percentages are. YET i think he's
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: clearly the, favorite maybe even a significant, favorite BUT i
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: don't think it's a one certainty that he's going to,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: win especially given the fact that there's a lot of
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: time for people to be at least somewhat educated about,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: this and you, know and for the opposition to get
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: organized and to turn out maybe in record. NUMBERS i,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: mean my, gosh not only is he a, socialist but
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: he's clearly Anti, semitic which is just also. UNBELIEVABLE i,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: mean the idea That New York city could be run
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: by an Anti Jewish muslim socialist is just beyond. Comprehension
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: but maybe that would be the shock that the country,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: needs BECAUSE i still think that we're not fully understanding
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: the doomsday of the situation we are. FACING i, mean
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: here we are on the verge of the fourth Of july,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: holiday AND i do really believe that This american experiment
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: is in. Peril doesn't mean this year or next. Year
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: but you, KNOW i don't. Know the two hundred and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday is next for The, july and historically not
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: too many empires have lasted past two hundred and fifty.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: YEARS i realize time is different now because of modern
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: technology and what have, you but it does feel as
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: if we were in the end. Days and it's not
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: just because of the possibility That Zorn mandani might be
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: the next mayor Of New York. City there's a New
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: gallop pullout that indicates That american patriotism is at an
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: all time low in the modern. Era, now WHEN i
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: say all, time this particular question has only been asked
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: since two thousand and, two and it should be pointed
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: out that that is in the, aftermath obviously of nine to,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: eleven which was a time period of extreme. Patriotism so
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: the numbers are a little bit. Deceiving but in the
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: twenty plus years That gallup has been Asking americans whether
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: or not they are extremely proud or very proud of
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: of being An american national pride has declined at an alarming.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Rate those that consider themselves to be extremely proud or very. Proud,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: so in other, words both groups went from ninety one
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: percent in the two thousand and two to two thousand
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: and three era to just fifty eight percent. Today that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: is an extraordinary decline thirty three. Points thirty three, points
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: so by a third of one hundred. PERCENT i mean
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: that that is an extraordinary decline and a fairly short
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: amount of. Time and those that were extremely, proud because
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: the first NUMBER i gave you was combining extremely proud
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: and very. Proud those that are extremely proud went from
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: seventy percent as a high to now forty one. Percent
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: and that's actually upsolate lightly from a couple of years
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: ago in an all time low of thirty eight percent
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: during what appears to be THE covid. Panic it's quite
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: possible that that extra three percent is because Of trump
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: fans feeling more pride In america Because trump won a
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: second term in. Office, now Clearly trump is a big
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: part of, this because the numbers Among democrats have. COLLAPSED i,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: mean the numbers Among republicans are still very very, high
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: but basically almost No democrats are extremely proud to be An.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: American this is this is very. TROUBLING i, mean, yes
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: this is a democratic, problem but when the numbers are that.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Stark it's a national, problem and it's not just, theoretical
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: and the media does play a major role in, this
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: AND i want to play an example of and this
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: is certainly not the cause of Why american pride is
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: declining in an alarming, rate but it is emblematic of.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: It and this, clip in my, opinion did not get
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: nearly enough. Attention it happened quite a while ago, now
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: because we had this lull of WHEN i was able
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: to tape a. Podcast so with all the news it's
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: been going, on it seems like it was a long time,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: ago but it was less than two weeks. Ago this
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: happened in A wnba. Telecast and this Is Rebecca, lobo
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: who is basically an icon in the history of women's
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: college and pro. Basketball she was acting as an analyst
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: on A wnba telecast and she very casually was talking
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: about difference of opinion and kind of just threw away
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: a line that, saying that's what Makes america, great almost
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: like a, cliche, like, hey you, know we disagree on,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: this but that's what Makes america. Great and then the
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: silence that ensued on the broadcast was literally, deafening literally
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: deafening and then it has now been reported That lobo
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: was told by the producers on the telecast to effectively
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: apologize for what she said Referencing america being. Great you
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: cannot make this shit. Up this actually happened on A wnba,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: broadcast and here's what it sounded.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: Like so they disagree with, you they, do AND i
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 9: disagree with, them and that's. Fine that's what Makes america, great,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 9: Right Pat, MARK i should rephrase, that, yes.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: But, YEAH i.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 9: Did the opinion are perfectly, yes that's a better way to.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Say, now if that doesn't indicate WHERE espn really, IS
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: i don't know what possibly. COULD i, mean the idea
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: that you can't even casually say that what Makes america
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: great without causing a massive uproar is just. Amazing it's just.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Astonishing it's. Depressing it's so emblematic of not JUST, espn
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: but the sports media and the media in. General and
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: it is certainly an indication of how and why we're
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: now living in a world where you, know almost half
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: the country doesn't have pride in being An. American and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: that's when you, Know trump supporters had probably more national
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: pride than they've had in a very very long. Time
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: it's just so, depressing and that's very frankly comical but
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: incredibly telling that that would happen in A wnba. Game especially,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: now speaking of, basketball there's been something that's happened on
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: THE nba front in the aftermath of THE Nba Finals
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: game seven being a disaster because The Indiana pacers best
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: player blew out their achilles early on in that, game
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: and so you, know you have all this anticipation for
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: A game seven And Oklahoma city ends up winning fairly
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: easily because it wasn't really a legitimate contest towards the.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: End but you have a major news story now involving
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: THE nba and gambling and a federal investigation of The
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons Malik, beasley who had a very good season
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: last year essentially as a sixth, man and, now to be,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: clear there's been no charges as of, yet but The
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: pistons are taking this very very seriously and essentially putting
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: all contract negotiations With beasley on hole because there is
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: an investigation That beasley was essentially Fixing it doesn't appear
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: as if he was fixing, games but that he was
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: fixing prop bets and maybe also engaging in some sort
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: of betting on actual. Games it's uncertain as of the right,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: now and the biggest revelation that has transpired in the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: aftermath of this story is That beasley clearly has massive
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: financial problems even before The pistons put a hold on
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: negotiating a new, contract and obviously that would be one
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: of the most important ingredients in any sort of gambling
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: scandal at THE nba. LEVEL i, mean it's always been
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: presumed right that it's. OKAY i, mean this is the.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: ARGUMENT i don't buy this, Argument but the argument has
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: always been it's okay for modern professional sports leagues to
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: embrace gambling because the players now make so much money
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: that it really doesn't make any sense for them to
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: engage in point shaving or any sort of hanky panky
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the playing of the, games because you,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: know you couldn't make nearly as much money throwing a
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: game as you would in most cases actually just playing
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the game as it's supposed to be, played considering the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: massive salaries that you. Make that's the theory behind. It
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: but of, course if you have a situation where somebody
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: is in over their head, economically they're spending more money
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: than they take. In they're owing people, money which Apparently beasley,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: did and it was a lot of different people he
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: owed money. To, now all of a, sudden it's an
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: incredibly vulnerable situation and it's, really, frankly remarkably easy to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: pull off in this day and, age because it's so
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: easy to, bet and because the professional leagues have not
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: just enabled, it they've embraced. It And i've been one
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: of those that has been screaming bloody murder that this
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: is wrong on every possible. LEVEL i, mean this is wrong,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: morally this is wrong from the perspective of the legitimacy
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: of your, games that this is a scandal waiting to,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: happen and it should also be pointed out which EVEN
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: i don't say, enough you, know when you are sponsored
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: by sports, gambling as almost all the professional leagues are,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: now and WHERE espn has, really you, know in an
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: effort to try to fix their broken business, model they
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: have really become invested in. Gambling it's effectively like Advertising.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: HEROIN i, mean no one would ever at LEAST i
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone would ever be in favor of allowing
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: the advertisement Of. Heroin but that's essentially what they're, doing
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: because we know that in the vast majority of, cases
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: this will not work out well for the. Customer gambling
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: is an inherently losing. Proposition by the, way if The
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Big Beautiful bill passes as was created in THE Us,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: senate it's going to be even more of a losing.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Proposition that might be one of the best parts of
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: The Big Beautiful bill because a huge disincentive to sports
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: gamble from my, understanding because the taxes that would be
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: collected on sports gambling will be increased fairly. Substantially but
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: that's another story for another. Day the point of this,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: is at, best it's a losing proposition for the vast
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: majority of people who engage in. Gambling at, worst it's
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: a destructive force in someone's life that can lead to
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: all sorts of. Problems domestic, violence, divorce, bankruptcy. SUICIDE i,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: mean there's almost never a good outcome when it comes to.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Gambling and so it's essentially like these sports leagues are
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: relying on, heroin you, know, metaphorically to prop up their
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: broken business model and to substantiate these, massive insane salaries
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: That Malik beasley apparently. Blue NOW i don't know for,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: sure he he's. Guilty i've seen some videos that look little.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Suspicious but there's also parts of the narrative surrounding one
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: game in, particular where it was how many rebounds he
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: was gonna. GET i, mean that's the other ridiculous part of.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: This there's weighs to bet on things that have nothing
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: to do with the outcome of the. Game so it's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: never been easier in every possible fashion to participate in
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: a scam when it comes to. Gambling So i'm open,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: minded but it doesn't look. Good and you, know to,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Me i'm amazed that this hasn't happened more dramatically. SOONER i,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: mean this is playing with, fire and the leagues are
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: gonna get, burned and they may be burned pretty badly
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: in This Malik beasley, situation and So i'll keep an
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: eye on. That but, this this is to, me of
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: all the things going on in, sports this is the most.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: Underrated the fact that sports leagues and even college, sports
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: where you, know college sports has been hit, many many,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: times especially in college basketball gambling scandals in the past
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: that have been devastating is absolutely. Underrated how much the
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: landscape has changed with regard to gambling in every possible,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: way and, leagues including THE, nfl that used to understand
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: the dangers of this have sold. Out it's emblematic of
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: our entire society and our philosophy of our, society especially
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: in The trump, era short term. Game screw the long.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: Term it's long term. Dangers we don't. Care we might
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: be dead or somebody else might be in. Charge then you,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: know we're just gonna reap the wrenches in the short. Run,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: well this is this is an. Inevitability this was always
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: going to. Happen it's just a matter of where and
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: when and how, badly and and and so it's just.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Amazing this talk about the death of. Journalism sports journalism
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: completely failed when it came to warning about the dangers of.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Gambling why well not really that shocking a reason because
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: their corporate overlords sold out to fix a broken business.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Model it's a lot like the WHOLE cbs paramount, situation slightly,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: different but you can't as a you, KNOW espn isn't
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: going to do a story on the dangers of sports,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: gambling either for the customer or what it does to
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: sports when their corporate overlords are banking on increasing revenue through.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Gambling it's not going to. Happen so this is this
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: is the price we pay for the death of journalism in.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Sports in a in a rational journalistic, world the world
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: where journalism, mattered you would have journalists in sports going
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: to the mat to prevent sports outlets and sports leagues
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: from becoming invested in. Gambling that did not. Happen in,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: fact it was the, opposite and it was all because
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: of the broken business, model and, frankly all because OF.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: Espn this is all because ESPN's business model, broke and
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: that's why college sports has been. Destroyed that's why gambling
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: has become accepted and enabled and. Embraced it's all BECAUSE
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: espn went from having an absolute boondoggle when it came
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: to cable bundling to that blowing, apart and they needed
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: a new revenue, stream so they went with. Gambling and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: now we're starting to see the price that everyone's going
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: to pay for. That and what the ramifications are going to,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: Be i'm not sure because the reality is the same
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: journalists that didn't warn about this and didn't prevent it
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: from happening are going to downplay. It, oh this is just,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Isolated no big. Deal it was just a matter of
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: how many rebounds he got in the. Game who? Cares you,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: Know oh, well move, on and you know that's what
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: happens when journalism is. Dead, NOW i want to move
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: to WHAT i think is the most underrated story of
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: the last week or, so and that is in the
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: realm of baseball and a situation that occurred with a
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: baseball PLAYER i had never heard of before for The Arizona,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Diamondbacks Katel, marte who got involved in a very strange
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: situation where in a game against The Chicago White, sox
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: he started to cry on the field while in the
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: field of, play and he was consoled by his. Teammates
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: and this obviously created a lot of. ATTENTION a lot
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: of people were, like what the heck is going on?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Here i'm going to play a short clip from the broadcast,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: itself where the play by play and the color analysts
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: and even the sideline reporter clearly had no idea why
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: it was that Katel marte was reacting so dramatically and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: needed to be consoled by his. Teammates this was in
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: the pitching mound. AREA i, mean he's clearly very very,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: upset appears to be crying and no one understands what
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: is going on or what has caused this. Reaction so
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: here's what it sounded like during the broadcast of the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: game itself back To.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 14: Chicago this is from the previous pitching. Change Tory leavello
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 14: With Katel marte in tears on the pitchers mound waiting
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 14: for the reliever to come in Consoling Katel, marte who
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 14: was in tears during that. Break and for more on
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 14: exactly what is, wrong or at least to an, idea
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 14: we go To Todd.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: Walsh, yeah, GUYS i can't speculate on.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 13: That.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Now that clip went viral online and it was presumed
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: understandably so, that my, goodness for a Major league baseball
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: player to react that dramatically on the field of, play something,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: very very very serious must have. Happened and immediately people
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: got sympathy for and empathy With marte's. Situation he must
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: be in the, right something very wrong must have happened to. Him,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: well eventually we learned not, much but we learned a
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: little bit that what had transpired was that a fan
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: had said something to him About marte's. Mother, Now marte's
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: mother was killed in a car accident back in twenty.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: SEVENTEEN i feel LIKE i have a bit of credibility
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: on this issue because my, mother As i've mentioned many,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: times was killed in a car accident back in nineteen ninety.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Four SO i feel LIKE i have a little, bit
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit of street, cred a little bit of
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: moral high ground on this particular. Issue and WHEN i
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: saw the reports about what Provoked marte's emotional reaction on the,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: FIELD i started to get the. Hebgbis the most obvious
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: example of this WAS espn reported That marte's reaction came
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: about because a fan quote said, something said something About
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: marte's dead. Mother that's literally what was in the, headline said,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: something and we didn't know what was, Said and the
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: reaction was so dramatic and so against this at that, point,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: nameless faceless, fan and it was so presumed That marte
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: would never have gotten that emotional if this wasn't really
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: an outrageous statement about their dead. MOTHER i, mean people
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: were imagining that somehow the fan was making it clear
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: that they knew That marte's mother had been killed in
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: a car, accident some really gross remark about the. Mom
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: because we're all presuming that something horrendous must have occurred
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: to provoke that kind of an emotional reaction out there
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: on the field of play in front of. EVERYBODY i, mean,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: remember you, know one of the more famous lines in movie,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: history from the MOVIE A league of Their, own is
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: From Tom hanks saying there's no crying in. Baseball, well
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: here there was crying in. Baseball so people are, presuming
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: not without, rationality that this must have really been. Awful
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: And i'm looking at this going really hold on a second,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: Here we're now going to presume That marte was justified
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: in his very dramatic reaction and that the fan was totally,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: wrong so wrong That Major League baseball, immediately without apparently
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: knowing what exactly was, said bans the. Fan bans the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: fan indefinitely from all. Ballparks now forget whether or not that's.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: Enforceable it may be enforceable in this in this computer,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: age but it doesn't. Matter the point is that this
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: fan got banned effectively for life from All Major league.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Ballparks so this must have really been, horrible. RIGHT i,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Mean i'm not in favor of, people you, know chanting
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: things or or mocking players about their dead. Mothers and it's,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: stupid it's. Ridiculous but if you're gonna make a new,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: RULE i, mean if they're gonna create a standard as
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: to what causes a fan to lose their right to
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: buy a ticket for the rest of their, LIVES i
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: at least want to know what the fuck was. SAID i,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Mean i'm a big believer in the slippery. Slope talk
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: about it all the. Time we you, know one of the,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: many many problems in our society is that we've completely
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: stopped to taching about the slippery. Slope the slippery slope,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: concept to, me is very clearly based in. Reality we're
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: seeing it in real life all the. Time and if
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: you create a new, rule especially in the realm of,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: speech where things are inherently subjective and sometimes, vague and
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: where you, know we're supposedly living in a free society
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: where we have The First, AMENDMENT i realize this is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: not a legal, issue you, know but it is a
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: free speech. Issue you at least need to be very
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: very clear as to where the line got. Crossed otherwise
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: you're going to create a precedent and a slippery slope
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: situation that's going to end up in, very, very very bad,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: places especially in THIS pc woke society that's driven by
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: a very LIBERAL pc sports, media especially AT. Espn this
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: is going to end up in a place you do not.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Want SO i started commenting on this on social, media, like,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: really are are we really going to ban this fan
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: for life when we don't even know what they? Said
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: AND i started to get more and more suspicious of
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: this whole narrative because there was a clip that came
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: out of the fan and you, know the, fan unfortunately for,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: them was, young white, male good, looking AND i think
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: his name Is, chad which is like a terrible. Combination
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: this guy has no force field protection at all in
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: the social media, realm so he's gonna get. Destroyed doesn't
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: matter what the facts. Are but the vibe surrounding the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: guy when they were removing him from the stadium did
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: not feel one that he was drunk or that it
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: just didn't feel right like this this is the, Guy
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: and the vibe around him wasn't, like get this guy
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: the hell out of. Here there wasn't that vibe at.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: All doesn't prove that you, know there was something amiss,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: here but it made me. Suspicious so the fact that
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: we didn't know exactly what was, said the fact that
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: the vibe around the guy didn't fit the, narrative and
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: the fact THAT i was very much aware that that
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: initial clip that we played was going to create a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: perception about what happened that might not be true because
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: people are presuming no, man no Major league baseball, player
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: would cry in front of his teammates on the, field
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: in front of the you, know national not a national television,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: audience but a television, audience and presumably a lot of
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: fans in the. Stands although one of the problems, here
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: it turns, out was that this is A Chicago White
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: sox game In, chicago and there weren't that many fans
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: in the. Stands you. Know, interestingly there's A Chicago White
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: sox announcer who is a friend of, mine who's actually
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: a subscriber to this, podcast AND i texted with him about,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: this and he indicated that the crowd was so small
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: that night that you could hear almost anything that a fan.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: Said so if this had been a larger, CROWD i
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: don't think this would have been an. Issue and SO
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: i think one of the fundamental problems here is we
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: are still living in a society and this goes into
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: the realm of other stories where victimhood is at. Issue
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: we are still under the delusion that nobody wants to
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: be a. Victim nobody wants to be A Major League
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: baseball player who was crying on the field in front
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: of television and a Small chicago crowd and their, teammates
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: and so we presume that any indication that they are
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: a victim must be one hundred percent, legitimate because why
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: would anybody want to be a? Victim, well AS i
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: said a million times during our, podcast with the benefit
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: of hindsight in our analysis of the so Called Penn
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: State Joe Paterno Jerry sandusky, scandal that is a false,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: premise and we've seen it many and many other. Stories
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: we see it on almost a weekly. Basis now there
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: is a benefit in being a, victim whether it's conscious or.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Subconscious there's nowhere near the stigma at all of being a.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Victim the pendulum has swung way too far to the point,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: where now you, know we embrace. Victims this guy was
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: given a standing ovation for several games after this because
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: everyone wants to embrace the, victim and it's mostly well,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: intentioned BUT i guarantee that people that were Giving martell
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: a standing ovation didn't know what the hell was actually. Said,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: well it turns out That, marte and this is another
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: part of the insane part of the, Story marte doesn't
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: even really Speak. English so here we have this white
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: dude Named chad getting banned for all, time getting doxed
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: on the, internet being you, know castigated as this horrible human,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: being when we don't at that point even know what is,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: said and the only evidence we have is that a
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: guy who cannot Speak english apparently was so upset in
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: the field that we just presume this must have just been.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Horrific this was about his dead, mother so we're presuming
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: that he knew that the mom was. Dead we presume
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: that what was said was just absolutely, inhumane because that's
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: the only way we can conceive of why a guy
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: would cry on a baseball field in a, sport where
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: As Tom hanks, said there's no crying in. Baseball, well
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: Eventually marte does what looks like to me a podcast.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Interview this was WHEN i learned that he's a full
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: on space a, speaker doesn't doesn't appear to have, much you,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: know ability to Speak. English at, all which of course
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: is a massive. Problem he's the reporter on what was,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: said so inherently there's always going to be a potential
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: miscommunication when there's a heckler in a, stadium and whether
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: the player is hearing it properly and what you you
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: can multiply that several times. Over when the player is
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: A spanish, speaker he's not even An english. Speaker and
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: So marte does this podcast interview and he quotes the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: fan is having said to, HIM i sent your mom
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: a text last. Night that was. IT i sent your
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: mom a text last. Night now, Again i'm not sure
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: that that's even what the fan, said because the fan
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: in the VIDEO i saw mouthed something that was similarly,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: innocuous but was was not those words. Exactly but from
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: a substance, standpoint it doesn't really matter because what the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: fan claimed that he said and What marte is saying
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: he said is nowhere near nowhere near the level that
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: it was given in the public discourse or in the
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: punishment that the fan. Got But i'm going to presume
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: for the sake of argument That, marte not An english,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: speaker somehow got this, correct that the fan said to
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: HIM i sent your mom a text last. Night, NOW
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: i think mom jokes are. Stupid has nothing to do
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: with the fact that my mother was killed in a car,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: accident but you know they're, commonplace your mama. Jokes and
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: there's no indication from that at all that the fan
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: had any knowledge that back in twenty, seventeen eight years. Ago,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: marte who's you, know to my, knowledge not a particularly
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: all that well known baseball player to begin, with that
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: somehow the fan would, know this fan In chicago would
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: know That martue's mother was killed eight years. Ago there's
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: no indication of. That there's no logic behind, that certainly
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: not in that. Statement so to, me you have to
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: erase the whole issue of the mom getting killed in
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: a car accident based upon what we, know and then
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: you have to evaluate what was actually. Said AND i
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: sent your mom a text last, night that's from the
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: words Of marte. Himself if that's the new standard for
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: banning somebody for life From Major League baseball, stadiums at
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: least if they happen to be a white male and
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: the person you're saying it to happens to be a
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: person of color and A spanish, speaker WHICH i think
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: clearly is part of this. Equation then stick a fork in.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: US i, mean you know what you're gonna. Up if
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: that's the new standard and that gets accepted as the
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: standard and fans understand that that's the. Standard i'm not
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: defending stupid comments about someone's, mom but if that's the,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: standard then eventually any negative cheering will be effectively done
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: because fans will be too, afraid there'll be a chilling.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Effect especially if the person potentially being booed is of
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: a protected class or if the person booing is a white,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: Male they're not going to do, it and it's going
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: to be mostly self. Censored but that's gonna be the
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: reality of the. Situation you're going to have a circumstance
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: where negative booing or negative, cheering whatever it, is is
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: going to be essentially done. With AND i reference this
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: when we talked in the first episode of this podcast
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: about the Whole duke versus BY U volleyball situation Where
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Rachel richardson Of, duke you know that whole deal where
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: allegedly there were racial epithets being spewed at her AND
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: i don't believe that that ever. Happened and then it
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: eventually got watered down to racial. Heckling that's the only
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: Thing richardson never claimed. Herself she was the quote unquote
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: victim of, well racial heckling sounds to me like a
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: situation where a black girl is having a bad game
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: and a very boisterous crowd is giving her, shit which
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: that's not, inappropriate that's actually racist in the opposite. Direction
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: but that's where we're, headed. Folks and there was no
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: cleanup by the. Media there was no, oh by the,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: way maybe we should take a look at this. Again
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: they just dropped. It this, was AS i referenced the
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Spinal tap movie all the, time this was one of
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: those crimes better left. Unsolved, really we're just gonna move,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: along move. Along now that we find out That marte
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: is claiming that the comment WAS i sent your mom
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: a text last, night this was absolutely. OUTRAGEOUS i don't
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: know what happened To, chad you, KNOW i doubt that
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: he's gonna have the balls to fight. Back should but
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: if this precedent, stands then eventually you're going to see
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: a fundamental change in the nature of sports spectating across.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Sports and by the, way no one ever understands the
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: full impact of the slippery slope or. Precedents let's pretend
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: that that really now is the new, standard that you,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: know something is benign as, stupid but as benign as
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: that can get you kicked out of not just that
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: stadium in that, game but for. Life think about the
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: weapon that that creates among all spectators in situations where,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: you let's say you have a heated. Rivalry although rivalries
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: are going to die because we're not allowed to have
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: negative cheering, anymore and you you, know say no to.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: HATE i say that all the. Time we have this
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: in our local school. District we have this say no
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: to hate, program AND i say all the, Time so
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: how how can we have a rivalry in our in
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: with another school if we're or against? Hate hate is
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: part of a. Rivalry, well academy is killing off the
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: entire concept of. Hate hate is always, bad no matter
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: what the reason. Is so we're gonna kill off. Rivalries but,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: eventually you, know we do have a. Situation we saw
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: it last year in An eagles, game in A packers
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: game where SOMETHING i think might have been taken out
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: of context and a guy got his life destroyed and
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: banned from a. Stadium and what he said was way
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: worse than what this fan. Did but my point here
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: is we're creating a weapon for fans who want to
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: target other fans of other teams they don't. Like they
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: can just claim that they heard a mom joke or
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: a mom, statement or or make something else. Up we're
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: creating a very dysfunctional. Situation this IS i KNOW i
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: tend to get very pessimistic about this and where it's
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: all gonna end. Up but to, me unless this, somehow you,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: know because one off and does not really create a
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: precedent and doesn't really create a chilling, effect we're going
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: to fundamentally alter the nature of being a spectator at
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: a sporting. Event and a large part of what being you,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: know what made being a spectator at a sporting event,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: great not mom, jokes but being able to you, know
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: be boisterous and be critical of the other, team or
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: or being critical of your own team if they're not playing,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: well is going to be lost because people are going
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: to be afraid precedents. Matter the slippery slope is. Real
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: this was, wrong and not just because this, Guy chad
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: had his life maybe greatly, damaged if not, destroyed over
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: something that was, stupid but nowhere near the standard that
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: the media portrayed it to, be all because we Misinterpreted
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: marquet's original. Reaction by the, way one of the things
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: about his original reaction That i'm now very baffled by
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: is that his story is that this happened while he
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: was on the on deck, circle which makes sense because
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: that's when you're closest to the. Fans but he cried
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: while he was out in the, Field so there was
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: a long period of time from the time when this
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: heckling occurred at the time that he reacted this, way
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: And i'm just totally. BAFFLED i, MEAN i can't even
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: imagine what anyone could say about my dead mother that
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: would make me react in anything close to that, fashion
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: even if it had occurred right, afterwards not eight years.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Later so this whole, situation to, me was a perfect
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: storm of bullshit that was facilitated by social media, insanity,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: panic and by woke sports media facilitating a bullshit narrative
• 1:59:49
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