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Long Island Serial Killer Links to MISSING SC MOM & 5 Vegas Murdered Ladies · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: The so called Long Island serial killer Rex Hueman is
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Speaker 2: sitting enjoying his time, reading, lounging, and napping behind bars
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Speaker 2: as he is already indicted in three murders of young women,
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Speaker 2: a fourth soon to come. This is and as investigation
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Speaker 2: is underway in Vegas into five other young women found
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Speaker 2: dead in a strikingly similar manner. All of these women
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Speaker 2: look alike in physicality. But now, in the last hours,
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Speaker 2: is he not just the Long Island serial killer, the
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Speaker 2: Vegas serial killer, but the South Carolina serial killer as well.
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Speaker 2: That's right, you heard me, As we predicted right here,
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Speaker 2: connections at this hour being may being efforted between Rex Huermann,
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Speaker 2: the suspected Long Island serial killer, and many other women,
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Speaker 2: including a beautiful young mom out of South Carolina. I
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Speaker 2: believe this is the tip of the iceberg. I'm Nancy Grays.
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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation,
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Speaker 2: and Sirius XM one eleven, first of all, take a
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Speaker 2: listen to this.
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Speaker 4: The Chester County Sheriff's Office was requested by the Gig
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Speaker 4: Beach Task Force to assists in gathering evidence.
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Speaker 5: Now Sumter County investigators have received a visit from Heidikovis,
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Speaker 5: a woman who recently told the daughter of missing Julia
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Speaker 5: Anne Bean to google a foe of Rex Humerman.
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Speaker 6: She knew him right away. She recognized him right away.
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Speaker 7: She said that was the last person she ever saw
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Speaker 7: with her mom.
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Speaker 2: You are hearing our friends over at PIXI eleven and
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Speaker 2: with me an all star panel to analyze what we know.
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Speaker 2: But joining me right now is a special guest, the
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Speaker 2: lady whose voice you just heard, Heidi Covis, is joining
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Speaker 2: us out of South Carolina, who was a very dear
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Speaker 2: friend of the missing mom Julia Anne Bean, Julie for short, Heidi,
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Nancy, Julie, thank you for kids.
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Speaker 2: Thank you really, Miss Covis, I really don't deserve that,
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Speaker 2: but thank you for saying that. I had a horrible
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Speaker 2: feeling when I learned that Rex Huerman had not one,
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Speaker 2: but two time shares out in Vegas. At the time,
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Speaker 2: multiple women went missing, women that had advertised as escorts online,
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Speaker 2: like the Long Island serial killing victims. And there's going
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Speaker 2: to There's not just four there, there's many more. There's
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Speaker 2: five in Vegas we're looking at and now, Julie, he
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Speaker 2: Human and his brother have a compound in South Carolina.
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Speaker 2: When you look at it, it's some covered in signs
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Speaker 2: stating I only enter with a warrant, no trespassing. Just
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Speaker 2: they don't want anyone in. They're trying to buy up,
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Speaker 2: particularly Rex Huerman. I can't speak for the brother buy
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Speaker 2: up property surrounding the compound. What are they going to
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Speaker 2: be farmers? Why do they need more reclusive property? And
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Speaker 2: when I found out that that avalanche that is no
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Speaker 2: longer being manufactured was sold by Human and was down
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Speaker 2: at the brother's property, I mean, I knew you right
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Speaker 2: then when I found out there was a compound down
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Speaker 2: there he visited. We're going to find bodies. I want
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Speaker 2: to talk about, Julie. I want to talk about what
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Speaker 2: you just said. First question, how is Julie's daughter taking
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Speaker 2: the revelation that her mother's disappearance could be connected to
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Speaker 2: Rex Human.
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Speaker 6: I think she's having a combination of feelings. At first,
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Speaker 6: she was shocked, she was sick, and then she was
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Speaker 6: dealing with guilt and Shane and I think all three
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Speaker 6: of her children are just like Wow, it's a lot
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Speaker 6: and it's real you know, like it's real. This guy's
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Speaker 6: getting all these cool little nicknames. He's getting all this
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Speaker 6: you know, publicity on TV. And when Julie went missing,
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Speaker 6: she got nothing. Nobody even knew her name. Six years later,
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Speaker 6: people are just now learning her name.
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Speaker 2: There's also the issue of no finality. I mean, Julie
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Speaker 2: Anne Bean was last seen in the Red Bay Road
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Speaker 2: area in Sumter, South Carolina, in a truck with an
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Speaker 2: unidentified man. That was in June of twenty seventeen. We've
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Speaker 2: got to figure out was Humerman there in the area
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Speaker 2: at that time. That's easily discernible with a little bit
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Speaker 2: of elbow grease. But in the other cases, bodies were
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Speaker 2: found victims.
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Speaker 3: Children know.
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Speaker 2: Their mom is dead, not what they want to know,
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Speaker 2: but they don't have to think every night, Wow, did
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Speaker 2: my mom just leave me? Did my mom just abandon me?
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Speaker 2: Julie's daughter has no finality at all.
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Speaker 6: And that's why I'm here because you and Eryl Cheryl McCollum, Like,
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Speaker 6: I listen to you guys. You guys, you're brilliant. I
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Speaker 6: love your spice, Nancy. I love the way you put
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Speaker 6: people in their places, and you do it with such
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Speaker 6: class and tact. And I don't want to be anywhere
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Speaker 6: else but right here with you. For Julie, thank you
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Speaker 6: so much, like I'm so grateful to speak with you.
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Speaker 2: The lack of finality, the lack of finality. It's my
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Speaker 2: understanding that Julie's daughter can absolutely identify Rex Huerman as
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Speaker 2: being the man last saying with her mother, tell me
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Speaker 2: about that, Heidi.
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Speaker 6: Like, you know, I was just clean in my house
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Speaker 6: and I heard about you know, I heard a few
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Speaker 6: times about this serial killer. I didn't know anything about it.
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Speaker 6: And then I heard them say South Carolina, two Wyndom
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Speaker 6: time shares. I sat down, I grabbed my phone. I
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Speaker 6: started googling deeds and properties and I came across Craig
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Speaker 6: Hewerman in Chester, South Carolina. Mapped it out one hundred
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Speaker 6: and three miles from Julie saw the victims across the screen.
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Speaker 6: They looked just like her. Called the police and wouldn't stop.
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Speaker 6: Then I called cam and I told her to look
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Speaker 6: at this and look it up, and she was mortified.
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Speaker 6: To say the least.
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Speaker 2: Guys speaking of the striking physical similarities. And the reason
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Speaker 2: this is important is because very often a killer, serial
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Speaker 2: killer will pick out victims that look alike. Not for
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Speaker 2: the sake of them looking alike, but that is the
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Speaker 2: type of person he hunts. They become his victims.
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Speaker 3: It's really startling.
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Speaker 2: If you look at Bundy's victims, many of them look
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Speaker 2: like they could be sisters. Take a listen our cut one, nine, three,
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Speaker 2: our friends at picks eleven.
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Speaker 5: Heidikvis recently saw photos of the Gilgo four, the murder
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Speaker 5: victims tied to Rex Huerman.
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Speaker 3: He's charged with killing three of them. It looked like Julia.
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Speaker 6: It looked just like Julia.
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Speaker 7: The blonde hair, the green eyes, the petite.
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Speaker 5: When pixelven News searched for information about escorts in Sumter County,
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Speaker 5: we found one site called sex Girls in Sumpter.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Kristin thorn Invescador, reporter WABC
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Speaker 2: Channel seven eyewitness news and star of Hulu's true crime
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Speaker 2: show Missing Kristin.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: To have the similarities if you can, between Julie, Julia
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Speaker 2: and Bain and the Long Island serial killers other victims,
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Speaker 2: who I might add, are strikingly similar to the Vegas victims.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, Hey, Heidi, can I ask you a question?
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Speaker 8: How tall was Julia?
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Speaker 6: It says five to six on that flyer, but I'm
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Speaker 6: gonna say five four five five. She wasn't much taller
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Speaker 6: than me and I'm five to one.
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Speaker 8: So what we know about the other victims is three
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Speaker 8: of the four of them were below five feet, but
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Speaker 8: one of the victims was about five to six, and
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Speaker 8: they do all have the same profile. Nancy, this is small, white, petite,
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Speaker 8: blonde young women who were involved in sex work.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Back to Heidi Covis joining us out of South Carolina,
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Speaker 2: a very dear friend of the missing mom Julia Ann Bean.
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Speaker 2: Heidi correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true
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Speaker 2: that Julie's daughter Pam can identify Rex Huerman as being
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Speaker 2: the last person the man she saw leaving with.
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Speaker 6: Her mom one percent and the truck on.
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Speaker 2: You know, It's just amazing to me this connection has
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Speaker 2: not yet been made. In fact, Pam, I believe actually
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Speaker 2: spoke to the guy. Take a listener, cut one nine,
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Speaker 2: two picks eleven.
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Speaker 5: Covid said the daughter recalled the mystery man drove Julia
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Speaker 5: n Bean to a nail salon before the daughter's high
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Speaker 5: school graduation in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 7: He told her that he had a big boat in
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Speaker 7: a lake house and that her and all her friends
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Speaker 7: could you the boat in the lake house to celebrate graduating.
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Speaker 3: Cam Bean never saw her mother again. So Heidi, the.
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Speaker 2: Daughter of Julia Julia Anne aka Julie, actually had a
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Speaker 2: conversation with the guy in the truck that was last
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Speaker 2: scene with her mother.
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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and that's really bothering.
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Speaker 3: You got to tell me the whole thing start at
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Speaker 3: the beginning, Heidi.
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Speaker 6: So Rex drove Julie to a nail salon and met
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Speaker 6: cam her daughter, Cameron, and Julie and Cameron were getting
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Speaker 6: their nails done for cam to be graduating the next day.
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Speaker 6: She was super excited. Julie pulls up in this truck.
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Speaker 6: Rex Humorman is driving, and he introduces himself and starts
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Speaker 6: telling Cam you know nonsense. She's a young seventeen year
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Speaker 6: old girl with bright red hair and green eye. Was good, gracious,
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Speaker 6: and he says to her that he had multiple houses
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Speaker 6: and a boat and her friends could choose it to
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Speaker 6: celebrate graduating. He wanted to take her to a concert,
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Speaker 6: and he was going to marry her mother.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, that's more information than any of
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Speaker 2: my research. Tales. You got to say that again and
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Speaker 2: slow it down. I got to take in every single
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Speaker 2: word you're saying.
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Speaker 3: Hi, Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 6: So he told Cameron that.
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Speaker 2: Well, you got to start with the driving up part. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Cameron's in a nail so on. She's getting her nails
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Speaker 2: done because she got graduation what.
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Speaker 6: That night, that day, the next day, the next day,
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Speaker 6: and it's a little fuzzy to her. This is the
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Speaker 6: time that is a little fuzzy to her. She's not
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Speaker 6: sure if it was July first or July second, but
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Speaker 6: she was graduating immediately and they were getting their nails
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Speaker 6: done for it, and I guess Cameron was outside when
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Speaker 6: they pulled up. Rex was driving and he began talking
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Speaker 6: talking to Cameron, and he started bragging and boasting that
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Speaker 6: he had multiple properties and that he had a boat
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Speaker 6: that her and her friends could party on and celebrate
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Speaker 6: graduating together. Then he went on to tell her that
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Speaker 6: he was going to take her to a concert after
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Speaker 6: he graduated, and that he was in love with her
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Speaker 6: mom and he was going to marry her. Big dreams.
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Speaker 2: Take her to a concert, my rear end go into
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Speaker 2: a concert with Rex Hureman. Okay, that my head is spinning.
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Speaker 3: So this then girl, a high school girl, Cameron.
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Speaker 2: Is that the nail salon mom drives up with Hureman
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Speaker 2: in a truck.
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Speaker 3: Now curious, Heidi, did Cam the daughter?
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Speaker 2: Did Cammy tell you this story before Rix Chuerman was arrested? No, Heidi,
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Speaker 2: when did cam tell you about identifying Rix Huerman?
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Speaker 3: How did that come about?
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Speaker 6: It was a week ago, as I said, you know,
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Speaker 6: I had the news on for background. I just had
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Speaker 6: my TV on. I didn't know what was on for
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Speaker 6: background noise. And then I heard, you know, this guy,
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Speaker 6: this killer, and I had heard it before, so I
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Speaker 6: caught my attention while I was trying to focus on
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Speaker 6: packing up my house, and I hear he has ties
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Speaker 6: to South Carolina, two Windom time shares and property and
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Speaker 6: I but they didn't say where where the property was.
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Speaker 6: So I instantly sat down with my phone and started
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Speaker 6: googling deeds and property with this guy's name and found Chester.
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Speaker 6: Googled how far one hundred and three miles. Okay, that's
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Speaker 6: good enough for me, So I sent a little bit
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Speaker 6: of information. I said, you know, I wanted to be
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Speaker 6: gentle for God's sakes. I wanted to be gentle and I.
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Speaker 6: I said, look, I haven't given up on your mom.
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Speaker 6: I don't mean to bother you. Please, just have you
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Speaker 6: seen this guy? Does this guy look familiar to you?
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Speaker 6: And yeah, there there you go. And then she was
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Speaker 6: so freaquent.
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Speaker 3: And what happened? What happened? She said, absolutely, you show
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Speaker 3: her the picture? What did you do? Text it to her?
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Speaker 6: She googled him. I didn't want to send her pictures
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Speaker 6: right away. I said, you know that. First, I want
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Speaker 6: to tell you what's going on. There's a guy that's
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Speaker 6: been arrested and supposedly he has ties to South Carolina,
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Speaker 6: not too far from you. Do you know who this
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Speaker 6: guy is? And that's when she looked him up instantly
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Speaker 6: and she messaged me back instant. It was second between responses,
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Speaker 6: me contacting her, her responding her freaking out.
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Speaker 3: That's what?
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Speaker 5: What was?
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Speaker 3: What did she say?
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Speaker 6: That's him? That's the man I saw with my mother
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Speaker 6: the last time I ever saw my mother. That's him.
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Speaker 6: And she she said, I'm sick, I had kills. This
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Speaker 6: is too real. Please, this is happening. Just can you imagine?
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Speaker 3: No, I cannot imagine.
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Speaker 2: Is she going to make the identification for police? I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's one thing to tell you that's him. But is
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Speaker 2: she going to say that?
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Speaker 3: Is she willing to say that to police?
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Speaker 6: She is, and she's doing that today. She's been angry,
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Speaker 6: She's been angry for a long time, with her family,
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Speaker 6: with the police, with herself, with her mom.
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Speaker 3: Well, do you blame her? Do you blame her?
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Speaker 2: It's been all this time, nobody's found her mom. Of
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Speaker 2: course that's not the police's fault, what happened to the mom,
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Speaker 2: but not finding her, of course, she's blaming police.
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Speaker 3: She's blaming everybody.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's I mean doctor Bethany Marshall joining me
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Speaker 2: renowned psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethanymarshall dot
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Speaker 2: com Doctor Bethany. I remember when my fiance was murdered.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I ever really blamed anybody but the
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Speaker 2: guy that shot him.
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Speaker 3: But I was too just crushed with grief. I didn't
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Speaker 3: want to live. I wasn't angry. I didn't want to live.
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Speaker 2: But with all of the murder victim families I've dealt with,
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Speaker 2: which are now thousands of people, a large majority of them,
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Speaker 2: it just feels better to have somebody to blame, to
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Speaker 2: say it's your fault. That feels better than to go.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing. You don't have any answers. You don't know
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Speaker 2: where to place all that anger and suffering. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure she is blaming everybody.
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Speaker 9: Bethany, Well, I think Nancy, when a family member goes missing,
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Speaker 9: we or in this case, Cameron, they don't know who
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Speaker 9: to blame or what to blame. Is it the world,
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Speaker 9: is it circumstances, is it the police? Where is that
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Speaker 9: family member? And anger is such a such a powerful
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Speaker 9: part of the grief process. In some way, anger is
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Speaker 9: helpful because it keeps the person from falling into depression.
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Speaker 9: I mean, as long as Cameron is angry, she has
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Speaker 9: a purpose, she has a cause.
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Speaker 2: Oh, Dr Bethanie, You're so right. That's what happened to me.
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Speaker 2: I went to a complete and severe depression. So you
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Speaker 2: know what, Heidi, as long as long as Cammy can
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Speaker 2: stay angry, I guess that's a good thing as opposed
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Speaker 2: to depression helpful. I'd rather her not have either. But
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Speaker 2: that said, you know what, Cheryl McCollum is joining me, Heidi.
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Speaker 2: You just brought up her name, not only a longtime colleague,
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Speaker 2: but friend, director, founder of the Cold.
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Speaker 3: Case Research Institute. She's a forensic expert.
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Speaker 2: She's the star of a new hit series podcast, Zone seven. Cheryl,
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Speaker 2: I got chills listening to Heidi Covis joining us out
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Speaker 2: of South Carolina, the daughter of the missing mom, Julie
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Speaker 2: Ann being Julia n Bean. She is going to police
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Speaker 2: HQ now as we're talking, and I believe she's going
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Speaker 2: to identify Rex Human as the man last seeing with
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Speaker 2: her mother, her mother. Can you imagine somebody else raising
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Speaker 2: your children for you, because some ahole like Rex Hueman
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Speaker 2: did away with them and having an eye witness, Cheryl.
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Speaker 2: And when you hear him boasting, which I'm going to
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Speaker 2: circle back to you, Bethany, boasting about multiple properties and
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Speaker 2: weaving in lies. He did have multiple properties, weaving in
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Speaker 2: lies about a boat and a lake.
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Speaker 3: What a shackass, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: I have said multiple times there is no such thing
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Speaker 10: as a part time serial killer. The great news here
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Speaker 10: is Rex Hureman his own the grid those time shares.
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Speaker 6: He has to pick a week.
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Speaker 10: He has to go to that management office and check
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Speaker 10: in to get access to that property. The cell phones
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Speaker 10: have already been connected to the burner phones. The cell
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Speaker 10: phones and the burner phones move in tandem. He used
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Speaker 10: his American Express to buy the burner.
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Speaker 2: Phones, and he's on video still buying them, getting more
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Speaker 2: minutes up until the time he is arrested.
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Speaker 3: That was just weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: But well, how can I connect him to South Carolina?
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Speaker 3: I got an eyewitness number one? What else?
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Speaker 10: The timeshare week he was there can connect him.
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Speaker 3: They can show time.
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Speaker 2: The timeshare in South Carolina. We're talking about South Carolina,
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Speaker 2: not in Vegas.
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Speaker 10: Right, But we don't know all the properties. But if
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Speaker 10: he had one there, that can tie him there. If
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Speaker 10: when the victim went missing, if they grabbed all her
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Speaker 10: phone data, his number could very well be there. We
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Speaker 10: also know that he connected them by email. If they
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Speaker 10: grabbed all her email, his communication with her through email
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Speaker 10: could be there. Also, his truck has a black box.
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Speaker 10: You and I know that from when we went out
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Speaker 10: to Colorado. Get that black box and see when.
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Speaker 2: You Well, I don't know that a truck that seas
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Speaker 2: manufacturer in twenty thirteen is going to have the same
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Speaker 2: kind of nav system.
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Speaker 3: That cars have now. But I mean, we've got.
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Speaker 2: We've got to you Sarah Ford joining me out of
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Speaker 2: this jurisdiction. Legal director or South Carolina victim assistance program
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Speaker 2: and host of Stepping Toward Justice podcast, renowned lawyer Sarah
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Speaker 2: for Sarah, I had cases that I proved with an eyewitness.
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Speaker 2: But in this day and age, in the age of CSI,
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Speaker 2: Jerry's want more than any eyewitness, much less an eyewitness
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Speaker 2: that remembers something from many years ago. That's where why
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Speaker 2: her current ID and her present recollection is so important.
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Speaker 3: But I need more.
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Speaker 2: What should we be doing to connect Rexed Huremney to
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Speaker 2: the disappearance of Julianne Bean.
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Speaker 8: We've got to get search for it's Nancy. We've got
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Speaker 8: to look at his credit card. You've got to look
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Speaker 8: at you know, was he and his brothers? You know,
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Speaker 8: look at at you know, if they've got this huge
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Speaker 8: property in a rural community in Chester, South Carolina. I
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Speaker 8: guarantee they have cameras. Do do they record? They go
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Speaker 8: to a cloud? You know, people are so intense on
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Speaker 8: making sure that people can't enter their property. I guarantee.
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Speaker 3: But this was back in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 8: So credit card statement, Sunien, see, we can get that.
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Speaker 2: You know what, speaking of cameras, you know, what would
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Speaker 2: be a good place to start to Heidikvis has had
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Speaker 2: that nail salon to see if they had surveillance video.
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Speaker 2: Now we all learned the hard way with Chandra Levy's
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Speaker 2: disappearance in DC that very often establishments will run over
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Speaker 2: the video every seventy two hours.
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Speaker 3: Is that video still there? Don't know? Is it in
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Speaker 3: the cloud? Like Sarah Ford is pointing out, don't know?
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Speaker 2: It would go a long way if we could find
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Speaker 2: Julie's body, Heidikvis. Over the years, did Julie's daughter Cameron
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Speaker 2: ever get any communication from her mother since the time
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Speaker 2: she goes missing in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: No, nothing, very uncharacteristic. Would you agree, yes, Heidi?
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Speaker 2: What more can you tell me about what Cameron is
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Speaker 2: saying regarding the man that left with her mother.
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Speaker 6: She just messaged me while you were talking, and I
23:53
Speaker 6: couldn't open it because I want to stay focused. She's
23:59
Speaker 6: just open it, is it like you guys?
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Speaker 3: Open it? Open it?
24:03
Speaker 2: And in the meantime, I'm going to go to doctor
24:04
Speaker 2: Michelle Dupre forensic pathologists, medical examiner, former detective who literally
24:10
Speaker 2: wrote the book Homicide Investigation Fueld Guide at Dmichelle Dupre
24:15
Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Dupre, if we could find Julie's body.
24:22
Speaker 2: I want her to be alive, but I don't think
24:24
Speaker 2: she is alive. If we could find her body, can
24:28
Speaker 2: we still get DNA?
24:30
Speaker 11: Absolutely, Nancy, you know DNA. We may not be able
24:34
Speaker 11: to get nuclear DNA, but we can certainly get mitochondrial DNA,
24:37
Speaker 11: and we can prove that it is or isn't of her.
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Speaker 3: Why are you talking like that? Talking regular people talk?
24:43
Speaker 10: Please?
24:44
Speaker 11: So regular DNA is what we normally think of and
24:47
Speaker 11: is very common. It does not last as long as
24:50
Speaker 11: something called mitochondrial DNA, which is inside of our bone marrow.
24:54
Speaker 11: That type of DNA is only traced back through the
24:57
Speaker 11: maternal or the mother Linny, so we would need to
25:01
Speaker 11: compare that to a female relative of Julie in order
25:05
Speaker 11: to make a positive identification. But absolutely we should still
25:08
Speaker 11: be able to get one or the other and prove
25:11
Speaker 11: who this person would be.
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Speaker 3: Guys, so much happening? So fast? Did you open the
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Speaker 3: tech ID?
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Speaker 6: I did you know this? Sweet baby? Just asked me
25:20
Speaker 6: if I was busy? Can you imagine? Am I busy? No?
25:24
Speaker 3: I'm not busy, Okay, Cheryl McCom.
25:27
Speaker 2: I want to be clear about any connections to South Carolina.
25:30
Speaker 2: Somebody said he owns time shares in South Carolina. We
25:33
Speaker 2: don't know that, we know he owns two in Vegas.
25:38
Speaker 2: But Kristin Thorne joining us from WABC Channel seven, isn't
25:45
Speaker 2: it true that the two time shares in Vegas are
25:47
Speaker 2: Windom time shares and with those like you can not
25:52
Speaker 2: go on your appointed time to Vegas. You could swap
25:56
Speaker 2: out to a Wyndom timeshare somewhere else in the country,
25:59
Speaker 2: like South carol lineup if it's available.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, that's the way time shares work. So we again,
26:06
Speaker 8: this is something that I think, you know, one of
26:08
Speaker 8: your experts said about the phones. I mean, that's going
26:10
Speaker 8: to be really critical here. Trying to figure out if
26:13
Speaker 8: they can use Julie's phone and figure out if he
26:16
Speaker 8: had any contact with that phone, another one of his
26:18
Speaker 8: burner phones, or another one of his phones that he has.
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Speaker 8: That's certainly going to be critical.
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Speaker 2: All the way back in twenty seventeen. You think it
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Speaker 2: cannot be done, Cheryl maccollum, It can be done, because
26:29
Speaker 2: we know that the Burner phones and the Gilgo victims
26:35
Speaker 2: were connected Rex Huerman's burner phones. They even now and
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three can go back and extrapolate where he
26:47
Speaker 2: was at a certain time based on the burner phones.
26:50
Speaker 2: One time he was right above Penn Station the Long
26:54
Speaker 2: Island Railroad that would take him from his architecture from
26:57
Speaker 2: in Manhattan to Gilgo Beach and then it popped back
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Speaker 2: up again at Yogo Beach on Long Island. So they
27:04
Speaker 2: can do the same if they've got his burner phone
27:07
Speaker 2: in South Carolina.
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Speaker 8: Yes, no, absolutely, there's no question about it.
27:11
Speaker 3: And that's what I was saying.
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Speaker 10: Those phones moved in tandem.
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Speaker 6: They could see that.
27:16
Speaker 10: Well, it's when he had one of the victim's cell
27:19
Speaker 10: phones and he left to go to Iceland, that phone
27:22
Speaker 10: stopped engaging in any way. The day that he got
27:26
Speaker 10: back from Iceland, that phone was turned right back on
27:29
Speaker 10: and he made several other calls to the family. So
27:31
Speaker 10: there's again, Nancy, there's patterns here with him. And if
27:35
Speaker 10: you listen to what our guest is saying today, Heidi's
27:39
Speaker 10: making it very clear that if Rex is who this
27:44
Speaker 10: child can identify, he was running errands with the victim,
27:49
Speaker 10: he was running by a nel salon in his own vehicle.
27:52
Speaker 10: This is something I guarantee you that as other people
27:56
Speaker 10: will come forward, this is something he would do. He
28:00
Speaker 10: would notify them through email, which again should be part
28:03
Speaker 10: of the case file of this missing woman. At minimum,
28:08
Speaker 10: they should have grabbed her phone data. They should have
28:10
Speaker 10: grabbed her emails. His information will be there if he
28:14
Speaker 10: made contact with her.
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Speaker 6: That's his mo.
28:17
Speaker 10: He starts fooling of you when he picks you out.
28:20
Speaker 10: He will email you, he will call you, and then
28:23
Speaker 10: he gets you to come to him.
28:25
Speaker 9: And Nancy, if I could add, if I could add
28:27
Speaker 9: to what Cheryl McCollums said, I love what she said.
28:30
Speaker 9: There are no part time serial killers. Not only did
28:33
Speaker 9: Rex Sherman have Julie in the car, but he began
28:38
Speaker 9: breaking to her daughter, who was likely in his sights
28:41
Speaker 9: as his next victim. So if he's saying, oh, I
28:44
Speaker 9: have a big, big house, I have boats on the lake,
28:48
Speaker 9: I'll throw a party, I'll take you to a concert,
28:51
Speaker 9: he was already grooming her. He had not even killed
28:56
Speaker 9: or offended against Julie yet, and she was already trying
29:00
Speaker 9: to pick up on the daughter. And this reminds me
29:02
Speaker 9: a lot of what sex addicts do, which I think
29:04
Speaker 9: is very close to the mindset of the serial killer,
29:07
Speaker 9: is that they're so clouded with thoughts of sex and
29:11
Speaker 9: looking at pornography and imagining undressing women as they're looking
29:15
Speaker 9: at them and what they're going to do to them
29:17
Speaker 9: and offending against them. That they can't really even think
29:20
Speaker 9: about anything else. They can't concentrate on anything else. I mean,
29:23
Speaker 9: one of the associated features of this kind of compulsion
29:27
Speaker 9: is that these men often can't even concentrate to do
29:32
Speaker 9: minor tasks in life, like complete emails, which is what
29:35
Speaker 9: we see in the compound and in his home. You know,
29:38
Speaker 9: it's disheveled, it's run down. He only has one thing
29:42
Speaker 9: on his mind, and that's why he goes from Julie
29:44
Speaker 9: to Cameron. I mean, it's such a scary, scary story.
29:47
Speaker 9: So those cell phones, the burner phones and the cell
29:51
Speaker 9: phones that are going in tandem. I would bet you
29:54
Speaker 9: that only almost every half hour or hour, he's hitting
29:58
Speaker 9: up some woman, he's going online and looking at pornography,
30:02
Speaker 9: or he's running errands with somebody. I mean, that's all
30:04
Speaker 9: this guy does. I'm surprised he was able to earn
30:07
Speaker 9: a living and support a family.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking about that addictive nature
30:11
Speaker 2: because the moment he sets foot on us soil from
30:15
Speaker 2: his trip to Ice. When the minute gets back, he's
30:17
Speaker 2: back on back on his burner phones. Guys, I want
30:21
Speaker 2: you to take a listen to our cut one nine
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Speaker 2: zero from Pigs eleven.
30:26
Speaker 3: This is this is critical.
30:27
Speaker 5: A missing woman is Julia Anne Bean, also known as Julie.
30:30
Speaker 5: She disappeared from Sumter County, South Carolina.
30:33
Speaker 6: Her daughter mentioned multiple different men giving her mom money.
30:37
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no doubt that she was more than
30:40
Speaker 6: likely escorting. She was a beautiful girl.
30:43
Speaker 5: She is a beautiful girl. Sumter County, South Carolina is
30:46
Speaker 5: just over one hundred miles south of Chester County. Chester
30:50
Speaker 5: County is where New York State police removed a Chevy
30:53
Speaker 5: Avalanche owned by accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Huerman in July.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 2: In addition to any potential links between rex Huerman, they
31:22
Speaker 2: alleged Long Island serial killer and at least one victim
31:26
Speaker 2: gone missing in South Carolina. To top it all off,
31:30
Speaker 2: the former Suffolk County top cop has been arrested. He
31:37
Speaker 2: was in place at the time many of these women
31:41
Speaker 2: were reported missing.
31:42
Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut to zero five Fox.
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Speaker 4: Five investigators amil Plaine clothes officer caught him in the
31:49
Speaker 4: act during an operation to curtail complaints of quality of
31:52
Speaker 4: life issues at the park, where told the park ranger
31:55
Speaker 4: didn't know Burke, who, according to officials, attempted.
31:59
Speaker 3: To get out of the at ten fifteen am today.
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Speaker 9: During this operation, he engaged one individual who was soliciting
32:07
Speaker 9: for sexual engagement.
32:08
Speaker 8: Who was expressing to us, how this would you know
32:12
Speaker 8: be a public humiliation?
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Speaker 2: Okay, to Christian Thorne joining us ABC Channel seven, what happened.
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Speaker 8: James Burke was involved with the Gilgo case as the
32:23
Speaker 8: chief of the Subba County Police Department many years ago,
32:25
Speaker 8: and he single handedly kept out the FBI for many years.
32:29
Speaker 8: It's a well known fact to people that live on
32:31
Speaker 8: Long Island that James Burke was known to solicit prostitute.
32:36
Speaker 8: One of his girlfriend's ex girlfriends either at the time
32:41
Speaker 8: had was a prostitute. We know that when someone seesed
32:47
Speaker 8: a broken to his police issued vehicle in his driveway,
32:50
Speaker 8: that's what eventually took Chief James Burke out of the
32:53
Speaker 8: Suba County Police Department. He ended up beating up this
32:55
Speaker 8: guy who broke into his car. That man found in
32:58
Speaker 8: his car pornography, sex toys, all sorts of things in
33:03
Speaker 8: the back of James Burke's leaf issued vehicle. So the
33:08
Speaker 8: fact that James Burke is now reappearing in this way
33:13
Speaker 8: was certainly a surprise to many of us. It's been
33:17
Speaker 8: very quiet. He was in federal prison for three years.
33:19
Speaker 8: He was on probation, and he's no longer on probation.
33:23
Speaker 8: But this area where he was arrested is a well
33:27
Speaker 8: known area for prostitution on Long Island, and so the
33:31
Speaker 8: stings here happened routinely.
33:33
Speaker 3: Now, when did this most recent arrest occur.
33:36
Speaker 8: This rearrest was just a few days ago.
33:38
Speaker 3: He mean he gets out of jail and does it again. Yes, Okay, Cheryl.
33:43
Speaker 2: McCollum, you know this happened. I prosecuted a what is
33:49
Speaker 2: now called child sex trafficking. Then it was called statutory
33:52
Speaker 2: rate and it was a very difficult case to prosecute
33:57
Speaker 2: for many, many reasons to involved to go into. But
34:00
Speaker 2: I got a mistrial in my opening statement, had to
34:03
Speaker 2: reindict blah blah blah, got a conviction. The little girl
34:08
Speaker 2: ran away just the night before her testimony. Had to
34:11
Speaker 2: scour the streets at Atlanta to find her. Long story
34:14
Speaker 2: short again, we get, we get the conviction. Eight months
34:18
Speaker 2: past and I walked by in the DA's office a
34:23
Speaker 2: TV on mute and I see a sketch of some
34:28
Speaker 2: prisoners in a federal courtroom. I'm like, wow, that looks
34:32
Speaker 2: like fill in the blank. I went, that looks like
34:37
Speaker 2: one of my vice cops. I didn't think anything more
34:40
Speaker 2: about it, and then suddenly an hour later, somebody runs
34:42
Speaker 2: into my office. Did you hear your three cops had
34:45
Speaker 2: been charged on stings? I'm like, what three cops? The
34:49
Speaker 2: three vice cops that I worked with every day out
34:52
Speaker 2: on the street trying to find this girl, trying to
34:54
Speaker 2: build this case, had been ripping off dopers.
34:57
Speaker 3: Not that I care they lose their money, but still
34:59
Speaker 3: a that's a theft, that's wrong.
35:02
Speaker 2: And when they would arrest dope, lord said take a
35:06
Speaker 2: plasma TV or some dope robes, gold chains or money.
35:10
Speaker 3: Oh. I could not believe it.
35:12
Speaker 2: Because when a cop on your case is suspected or
35:16
Speaker 2: convicted or investigated for wrongdoing, the other side defense can say, hey,
35:23
Speaker 2: your case, for lack of a better term Latin phrase.
35:26
Speaker 3: Sucks and you lose.
35:29
Speaker 2: Your case is reversed because the credibility of your witnesses
35:33
Speaker 2: is shot. And now I've got this chief of police
35:39
Speaker 2: who's steinmy the investigation out getting escorts again.
35:44
Speaker 10: Help me, you say all the time, you say it
35:47
Speaker 10: all the time. If you want to know a horse,
35:50
Speaker 10: look at his track record.
35:52
Speaker 2: I said a horse, a horse, not a hor principle.
35:58
Speaker 3: I can't believe this guy. I mean, what go jump?
36:03
Speaker 9: If I could interject about this. Sometimes when these sex addicts,
36:08
Speaker 9: these offenders, these men who are sexually compulsive, are released
36:12
Speaker 9: from jail, they are even more likely to offend. And
36:18
Speaker 9: there's a very important study about that that shows that
36:20
Speaker 9: because they're imprisoned, that they don't have access to pornography,
36:25
Speaker 9: they don't get along with general population very well. They're
36:28
Speaker 9: very isolated.
36:29
Speaker 2: As they said, Okay, let me just start you right there,
36:31
Speaker 2: right there, let me use another Latin phrase, boy fox
36:35
Speaker 2: and I she's going to beat the hay out of me.
36:37
Speaker 3: Screw his addiction. Don't care.
36:40
Speaker 2: I care about this murder investigation. And this one cop
36:44
Speaker 2: who stymy the investigation could.
36:47
Speaker 3: Ruin the whole thing. We have victims, but doesn't It
36:51
Speaker 3: may never proven.
36:52
Speaker 9: It makes sense that he's stymied.
36:54
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm trying to get beyond that.
36:56
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the significance how it's going to affect
37:00
Speaker 2: this trial if we ever get there.
37:03
Speaker 3: Up here, listen to two o six our friends at
37:05
Speaker 3: Fox five.
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Speaker 4: Burke faced backlatch for his link to the Gilgo Beach
37:08
Speaker 4: murders and for interfering with the investigation because of his
37:12
Speaker 4: tie to sex workers. Now he's arrested for soliciting one. Now,
37:17
Speaker 4: I do want to note this latest arrest is not
37:19
Speaker 4: connected to.
37:19
Speaker 3: The Gilgo case.
37:20
Speaker 4: Officials have reached out to federal agencies to see if
37:23
Speaker 4: Burke is still on parole from his original arrest. We're
37:26
Speaker 4: told that additional charges could be pending. Burke is due
37:30
Speaker 4: back in court on September eleventh.
37:32
Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, once again, I want to vomit. The only
37:35
Speaker 2: good thing about this, well, let me not say it's good,
37:38
Speaker 2: but the silver lining is what he did. What Burke
37:42
Speaker 2: did the former chief of police during the Gilgo murders,
37:46
Speaker 2: he stimed me the investigation. He basically did nothing. So
37:51
Speaker 2: what he did was delay finding making an arrest. So
37:56
Speaker 2: I don't think he had enough hands on activity on
38:00
Speaker 2: the case for anything to have been tainted. He didn't
38:02
Speaker 2: make any arrests. He hardly did any investigation. I doubt
38:06
Speaker 2: that he was transporting evidence. So he may have been
38:11
Speaker 2: so disinvolved that he has not tainted the case because
38:15
Speaker 2: he had no involvement in the case.
38:17
Speaker 3: That's what I'm hoping for.
38:18
Speaker 6: So he had no involvement.
38:20
Speaker 2: How do you, Sarah, for believe at all, if any
38:24
Speaker 2: his involvement will affect the current case. He's not involved now,
38:28
Speaker 2: Thank Heaven, there's a new chief of police in places
38:32
Speaker 2: Suffolk County.
38:33
Speaker 8: He hasn't been involved for a while now. I think,
38:35
Speaker 8: you know, what he may have done years ago to
38:37
Speaker 8: not assist in the investigation, that's one thing, but that's
38:40
Speaker 8: certainly something they can certainly overcome at trial, and that
38:43
Speaker 8: they've got a strong chief of police now. They have
38:46
Speaker 8: a really strong investigative team, and I think that that
38:49
Speaker 8: will certainly overcome any appearance of impropriety based on someone
38:53
Speaker 8: who's been you know, on probation and has now been
38:56
Speaker 8: re arrested. You know, it's something that they can ever.
39:00
Speaker 2: You know what, Burke, Burke, take your porn and your
39:05
Speaker 2: sex toys and stay away from this investigation.
39:09
Speaker 3: You've nearly ruined it.
39:10
Speaker 8: Yeah, not only that, Nancy, what there's more. Yeah, he
39:13
Speaker 8: made short throughout the department that anyone that did want
39:16
Speaker 8: the help of the FBI was really kept down and
39:20
Speaker 8: was silenced. He made it very clear that he did
39:22
Speaker 8: not want the FBI involved, to the point that the
39:24
Speaker 8: FBI said, we are not dealing with you anymore. You
39:28
Speaker 8: come to us when you're ready for us. When you're
39:30
Speaker 8: ready for our help will come.
39:32
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Rex
39:36
Speaker 2: Huermann's potential contacts in South Carolina, his potential connection to
39:43
Speaker 2: the disappearance of.
39:44
Speaker 3: Julie Ann Bean, please dial eight zero three five five
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Speaker 3: one four two hundred. Goodbye, friend,