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No Use For A Name · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's deprogram the podcast where we try to get you into a band.
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That's right, we've done all the work for you.
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All you have to do is push, play and listen.
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And let me tell you, there is no use for a name.
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Isn't it great when I don't really have to try that hard to
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get, you know, to get to the band's name?
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Because there really is no use for a name today.
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Because we're talking about no use for a name.
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Hell, but there is use for your name, Randy.
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You put no use for a name on the board.
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Talk to me. I mean I feel like I get the
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general idea after listening to the band.
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I get the general idea of why you put them on the board.
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But but broaden, broaden the horizons.
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What is it about no use for a name for you?
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A lot of it I think is when you bring bands to the table here,
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your expectation or desire first is to go through the whole
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catalog without an excuse to go through the catalog and and just
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listen to everything and just kind of pick out what you think
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are the best songs. But also I think it's this is
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the aspect that I love about this show is that it is for
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anybody that doesn't know who this band is to get a sense of
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what they do and who they are. And for a long time I always
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thought that No Use was kind of an odd man out situation.
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Now they started off very early on their earlier albums, you
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know, early 90s, they were basically skate punk.
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They were skate punk band. And that's kind of the territory
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they were put in. They were a Fat Wreck Band.
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So once Fat Wreck started to gain some steam and and you
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know, Lag Wagon and no effects, obviously, you know everybody
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knew what the label was because of Fat Mike.
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But it felt like with Propaganda and Lag Wagon and even oh God,
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I'm forgetting their name now. More of a hardcore band, the
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other original. I just don't listen to.
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But anyway, it might. It might come to me in the
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middle of an episode, it might just shout it out some at some
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point. But it always felt like no use
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was kind of the undercard act of all these other acts and they
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didn't deserve to be. And in punk circles, maybe not,
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but I think in just general. And I know that they've had a
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couple of moments here and there I can't remember.
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I think they had like a Tony Tony Hawk song or a different.
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Video game song probably from Lesha Kong Carne cuz that was
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their most popular record at especially at the time of
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course. But I feel like not enough
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people give them the credit they deserve and I think that got
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exacerbated one day when I was looking at some bozos list of
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the top 50 pop punk albums of All time.
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Now I mentioned. Their escape punk band up until
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about like 1999 nineteen 97 Ish. But the evolution and changes in
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this band is really what I wanted to talk about the most.
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Because you'll hear it within these songs, these songs from
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very early on. They're very much like fuck it,
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put together a garage band and call it punk, and that's what
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we're going to do. But it didn't.
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Feel like even though the some of the lyrics were phenomenal
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very, very early on and and taking on some really, really
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tough topics in you know up until like 1995 and even even
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further. But once they hit the More
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Betterness album that's when they start becoming a matured
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band. That's when their sound becomes
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refined. It still takes what they did
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skate punk wise, especially with the drums.
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Because the drums are such a huge thing within no use for a
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name. They're very, they're audible
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and and there's a lot of double bass that you'll hear in this.
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And for a lot of their pop punk saw songs, it's still there.
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So that's still a characteristic of no use for a name.
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But I just loved how they made that.
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They closed that gap and got better because when I think that
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the whole reason why they got better is that Tony Slide just
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in. Improved vastly as a songwriter
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both musically and lyrically, and he's really the one that I
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think is is underrated in this whole thing.
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And I'll just mention because it's going to come up at some
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point. Chris Shifflett was in this band
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for I think from Lejah Konkarne to more betterness and if you
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know that name, he is the lead guitar player for the Foo
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Fighters right now. So Yep, And that's kind of.
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His claim to fame, and we've even talked about it in circles
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before that, you know, weirdly, the Foo Fighters are kind of
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like a a punk version of like, I don't know, like the punk
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version of like a temple, the dog or the traveling, a little
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bitters. I can't remember what they call
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those kind of bands where it's just kind of a mash up thing
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because you got guys from. Sunny Day Real Estate, You got
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shiftlet and you got a now you got Josh Freeze, who played with
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the Vandals. So you're getting all these
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areas of punk? And you're creating all rock
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with it, which is, Which is really interesting.
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But I I shouldn't be making this a Foo Fighters podcast about no
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use for a name. Tony Sly just, I think he's a
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magnificent songwriter and I thought it really showed when
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him and Joey came from Lag Wagon did their acoustic split where
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he took songs from the new No Use catalog and just made them
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straight up acoustic and you're able to really hear.
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His emotion. You're able to really hear what
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the song is about. And what's really unfortunate is
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he died 11 years ago, almost 11 years ago to the date while
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we're recording this. And you know, for for me, I kind
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of, you know, for a little while just found my way out of punk
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and wasn't going to punk shows but not seeing them live.
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Is probably one of my biggest regrets and I'll still never
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live it down to this day. I I don't even know what
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opportunities I had to see them. They're West Coast band.
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They came on the East Coast, but like probably not intercepting
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with where I'd be going to shows and and all that.
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But yeah, they're they're I don't know if they're like the
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most important punk band of the 90s or anything like that.
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I wouldn't put them in that category, but they deserve to be
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listened to and. Yeah, Tony Sly deserves some
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recognition for what he did in this band.
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So as I'm listening to this band while I understand again, kind
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of like I said with Randy, I while I understand this doesn't
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scream Joe Band to me. This this, this seems like maybe
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more like a Joe Periph. Maybe I got it all wrong.
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Joe tell me about no use for name.
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Why did you want to be here to talk about them today?
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Well, you know, at the end of the day, I'm I always.
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I am and always will be. I am a punk rock kid.
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I came from hell with the curse as we know.
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So the Yeah Noise for name is a little bit more just on my
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Periph. I do, I do love punk and this
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this band is if you, I mean, Randy explained a lot like Lag
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Wagon, some of that skate punk band, like they're
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quintessential skate punk band. It's fast, it's loud.
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It's in your face. So I do, I do enjoy that, but I
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lean more towards the pop punk side of of punk rock, right.
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But I mean I actually had oh man, I don't know, probably 5 or
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6 songs already in my in my liked songs, if you will, before
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even going into the the D program list that we're going to
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do for for the how many albums we did.
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We did seven albums, right. We didn't do it.
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We didn't do Incognito so so. So yeah, I mean it's it's more
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on my priff. Because truthfully I could only,
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I mean I guess we're kind of get into the next section of of this
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of the show, but truthfully, I can only listen to one album at
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a time per day. I had to shut it off because I
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could only take so much of it while I enjoyed it, but I could
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only take so much skate punk in one day, if that makes sense.
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Fair. Yeah.
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Yeah, so, but I mean, again, I had probably old stuff.
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I'd say probably like first four records.
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I already had two or three songs, but the rest of that I
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had. So I think I had seven, might
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have been eight. Either way was like the back
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half. The the other three, the newer
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ones like 99, What was it more betterness?
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Or betterness. There you go.
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Hard Rock, Hard Rock, Hard Rock bottom, Hard Rock bottom.
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And then now I can't the confused keep me.
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Yeah, so those, those are the ones that I had the most liked
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from. So I knew those records.
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I didn't really know a lot of the older stuff, so it was a lot
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of discovery. And again, I don't want to make
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it telling I didn't enjoy my time.
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I did enjoy my time because again.
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Like you said, Justin, I do enjoy punk rock, but this is
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more of just perif for me. But yeah, I mean, again, to
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answer the question is like, yeah, sure, I'll do a punk band.
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Let's do it. There you go.
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That's Joe. That's Joe all.
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That's me. So this is.
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One for the team. This is no shocker, a band I
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never dove into. And a lot of times this comes up
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with bands. I'm on with you Randy, where
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they showed up on the punk show here on 96 X.
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And you know, this would have been at this point literally 20,
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almost 25 years ago. But they they were a band that
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would show up there and my friend John Martin listen to
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them all the time. But you know, I I never paid
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attention. It's one of those bands where
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even as I'm listening to until the ones we the the records we
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covered. I didn't nothing jumped out at
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me to Joe's point I I completely understand the I can only listen
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to 1 record at a time. I was able to kind of blast
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through it in an afternoon because because well you know
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this this feels this feels like one of those bands that you
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don't want to overthink. You know, it's not quite like
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like when we did Kid Dynamite it it was more like it, it was
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closer to Kid Dynamite in that, you know, it's not in and out
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like they were, but it is, it is something you don't want to
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overthink and a lot of the times I went with feeling, so we'll go
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with that here in a second. But just to add on to what Joe
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said, I really enjoyed my time with this band.
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Like I didn't, you know that I didn't fall in love there.
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There was a moment where I fell in love with a song listening
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while I was waiting for you guys.
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So you know, that'll come up later I'm sure.
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Actually yeah of course it will cuz it's on my list, but so
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that. Justin, that being said before
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you that being said me, I'm gonna that being said you I
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have. A big prediction for this
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episode. I already know a song that
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you're gonna take, and that's just by title alone, because the
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title of the song screams Justin is gonna take it to make some
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kind of reference for Justin. Probably a self deprecating 1
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no? I mean.
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Well, is that not your stick? That is, that is absolutely, I
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hope I thought enough to grab it because sometimes, like I just
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said, I didn't overthink it so. I'm gonna piggyback on that to
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what you piggybacked on Justin and say I feel like I know what
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song you're talking about. I might have that too.
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We'll see what happens, Yeah. Well, then let's do the thing.
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How did you? So, as mentioned before, we
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didn't cover everything. Did we only leave out one album?
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Is that what I'm? No, Incognito was an early
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album. They had another one after
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Keeping Confused, and then they released a bunch of B sides and
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the covers album. And yeah, there's a lot of
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unreleased material. Actually as we speak there,
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there is a box set, a 14 disc box set that's coming out.
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Called Black Box that has the collection of everything that
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they've done. So it's probably way out of my
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price range. So I'll stick to just having
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Leche on vinyl, I suppose so. But yeah, based on everything we
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covered, how did you go about getting your 20 together for
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this Randy? I immediately I believe I I told
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you in the chat. I immediately had about 13 to
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14. And there's a big reason that's
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going to be revealed at some point.
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I'm going to play this game kind of as a tribute to something
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that I have. That was honestly like the the
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reason why I started to love this band.
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I always liked this band, but there was something that
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happened or something that I listened to that I said oh, OK
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yeah, they're they're top for me.
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So I'm going to piggyback off what you guys were saying.
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I think that the 1st 2 records were a little difficult because
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again, I I didn't really do real big deep dives into those two.
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Don't miss the train and daily grind.
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I didn't do too many deep dives before going into this.
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I knew selected songs. And really, I guess from those
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two albums, the selected songs that I knew were the ones that
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made it. And I specifically, we could
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have left out Don't miss the Train.
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But there was one song I thought would be absolutely criminal to
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leave off this list or leave out of any discussion.
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So I think everything else just kind of fell into place pretty
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easily. It was.
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And you know, there is a reason being that some of the songs
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that I really, really love weren't.
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Part of that automatic 13 or 14 that I brought to the table, but
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it's going to be a really interesting game that we play
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here. And yeah, it's it's all kind of
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about when I share which songs and everything like that.
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But I I really enjoyed the listen and I I honestly, out of
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all the records, I think I got a new appreciation for making
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friends the most. Because I don't know why, but it
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felt like that sort of got left off my radar.
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But yeah, they put together some pretty good records that leche
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to making friends to more bitterness stretch.
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There was phenomenal. Some of the best punk rock that
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you'll get in the three album stretch.
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So you kind of started saying how you put yours together, Joe.
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Like you want to expound on that, Like, how did you, how did
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you round out your list? Yeah, so I just looked.
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I had 7 already that I knew, so those were already on my list.
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And then I ended up just from Oh yeah, like I said, I listened to
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one album a day because that's all I could do.
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But and just like you said, I really just went on feeling
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because it was it was a little difficult at first when I I was
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definitely overthinking it too much at first, you know, I was
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like, OK, what's the sound? What do I want to bring to the
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table? And that's why I kind of locked
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you into that okay. I'm only listen to one album a
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day and then when I figured it out like, alright, just whatever
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speaks to me, whatever hits me, that's what's going to make it,
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you know, that's what that's what I like.
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And I wasn't going to think too hard about okay.
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What sound do I want to try to grab to bring to the show and
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all and all that, right. So I ended up with 25 and so
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making the making the five cuts really, it wasn't necessarily
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that difficult. I guess I kind of just went
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through. I went through what were the
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last five in and played through them and just again when I'm
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feeling like okay that that that boom.
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So a medium it was a medium difficulty to do this do this
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20. But I will say, I will say that
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I feel this kind of going back to the beginning of all the the
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kind of history that Randy was giving which I appreciate that
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you know so much about a lot of these bands that that I don't I.
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Appreciate you that you that you appreciate.
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Well, I'm, I'm a music guy, so you know, hey, I like that
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stuff. But what I was going to say is,
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so again we talked about them being a skate punk band and they
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kind of morphed a little bit to I guess more just punk,
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whatever. Maybe a little bit of hardcore
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ish maybe if you want to put that.
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But I really feel like those back three records that are that
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we're talking about today, man, they really started to find sort
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of what? Sort of a pop punk sound, pop
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punky ish sound, and obviously I gravitated towards that the
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most. As we know.
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I'm a emo kid, pop punk kid and kind of to your earlier point,
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Randy, I feel like maybe if they.
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Maybe if they leaned into that more, I do feel like they could
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have been bigger than what they ended up being, just from my
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opinion, which whatever, it's who am I right?
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But I feel like have they leaned into that more?
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They probably could have ended up being a bigger band than what
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they did. Oh yeah, there is one song.
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That I have on my list that I think could have been a massive
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radio hit if they wanted it to be.
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I bet I know what it is. Hopefully you do cuz it's a
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great song, so deserves to be on the list.
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Hopefully we all do. Hopefully we all know, but we'll
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find out. So the good news here is, you
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know, I do think this is going to make for a harder game play,
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but I think I'm in line with you guys.
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Like I I enjoyed the first couple records.
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Do not get me wrong, I really enjoyed that.
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But and I had a lot going. I had a lot from like kind of
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everything. Honestly, the first pass, I
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don't remember what my my first number was, but I had a good
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amount from like pretty much everything.
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But as I'm coming, coming back through, I'm like, yeah, this
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early stuff, those those first, like the skate punk stuff.
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I was like, yeah, I want to keep some of that because it's
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important to the story of the band.
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But like I don't want to do that.
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Like that. The stuff I gravitated towards
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were like, there's that, there's I I think for me it it, it
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stretched out to the last four we covered.
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And I like there's like a stretch of three where I was
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just like every song could have made it.
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Every song could have made it. I was like, Oh my God, this is I
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love this, I love this, I love this.
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And so like as I'm coming back through, like I said, I had to I
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couldn't big brain it. I had to.
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I had to really go, OK, which one moves me?
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Which one kind of gets me going? Because ultimately I think
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that's what this band is about, Like, well, if we can move them,
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we can get them into what this band is doing.
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And then to finalize my point, I think the last record that we
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got to, I loved the evolution there.
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I thought it was, I thought it. They were a really complete band
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In that record. I ended up, I ended up cutting
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most of what I had from it. Mostly for the same reason I cut
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some of the early stuff. I was like okay cool, I I I
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think this is good stuff. But I think that's a good way to
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round out the story. So we can start the story.
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Round out the story the the real the real deal with no use for
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her name is that stuff in the middle.
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That is, it is tasty. And that could.
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Be It's definitely tasty. For sure.
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It's a It's a full meal. That's right.
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And that could be the problem. Which brings me to the next
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question, Randy. Based on everything we've said
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so far, how many do you think we're going to get through
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unanimously? By the way, the other fat
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wrecked band that I missed before is sick of it all and I
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never really got into them too much, but that's probably why I
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forgot them. But they're another original fat
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band along with no use lag wagon propaganda.
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All right, well, here's the thing I have.
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I split down the middle the. Three more betterness stuff.
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I had 10 and the post. I also had 10.
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So it's that's really even there.
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And really it's kind of Leche and making friends that has the
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bulk of the other additions that I had to my list.
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I'm I'm thinking that this is a band where you said based off of
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feeling, I feel like. Some of the riffs and some of
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the way that the choruses go in select songs really easily stand
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out amongst all of the rest. That's around there amongst the
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the big booming double bass and amongst, you know the the the
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fast moving hardcore skate punk songs.
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I feel like you can easily tell, listen to it and say whoa, okay,
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that's different. I know what that is.
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I'm going back and listening to it again.
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I am going to be positive and throw down A7 for this.
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I like it. I love it.
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I love it. What do you think, Joe?
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Well, before I get to that, I just had a thought.
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And Randy, I'm sure you know this band, but are you familiar
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with 88 Fingers, Louie? Yeah.
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OK, I figured you would be. That band popped in my head too,
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because I feel like they were on Sat Rec at one point as well.
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They were, yeah. I wasn't sure if it was Rise
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Against or Lawrence Arms, but yeah, you're right, Rise
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Against. Didn't guys from 88 fingers,
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they either. Rise against.
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Rise against. Yeah, because it was Chicago.
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And and I forget the guy, I forget which band member, but he
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essentially got kicked out. And then they fought Rise
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Against and they were like, fuck you.
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And then? Something like that.
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Like Rise Against has been like the butt of Fat Mike's jokes
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ever since they left. Anyway, anyway, so yeah, you
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actually took my number. I was going to go very positive
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with seven, so I'm going to, I'm going to prices right you and go
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6. Ooh, okay.
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Okay. All right.
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And I feel like I I kind of cut you off.
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Did you have like a little extra thought there Randy, before I
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went to Joe like it sounded like?
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If I If I did, I don't remember it.
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Now it's gone so good. I I.
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Pointed out until it's gone. I I pointed out good.
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All right. So we'll shoot.
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It's there. I'm going to take it five, you
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know like whenever it's available I might as well take
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it. I mean this I could easily see
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this doing better than Randy seven, you know what I mean?
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Like I I think that that possibility is there, but I also
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think there's a possibility there's like a ton of twos and
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and we end up with like three or four.
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Who knows? There's only one way to find
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out. Oh, I think the thing I was
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going to say, I know it now, which which makes sense in all
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this, is that we've done really well with three person groups
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where we've gotten to six or seven pretty easily.
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So yeah, yeah, that's true. Three is definitely easier than
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four. Absolutely indeed.
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Depending on the band and depending on the discog.
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All that comes into play and we're going to play when we come
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back. It's deprogrammed with that.
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The name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The three of us have combed through a good portion of the no
24:36
Use for a Name discography and plucked out 20 songs that were
24:39
now going to mash together in an attempt to get a top 10 starter
24:41
kit for you in case you have never given no use for a name.
24:46
The time of day? Okay.
24:49
I think I don't have, like, a good starting point.
24:52
So I'm going to go with the, with the one that I kind of fell
24:54
in love with on kind of my last listen.
24:58
And it was a song that, you know, obviously it made my first
25:01
pass, no problem. And obviously it made my second
25:03
pass, no problem. And it was for whatever reason,
25:07
as I'm listening, waiting, waiting for the show to begin,
25:12
this song came up and I was like, oh, I'm so glad I picked
25:15
this. And then like, as I'm listening,
25:17
I was like, oh God, yeah, I love this.
25:19
This is great. Now I've done all this and it
25:24
could. Yeah, I'm gonna stop saying
25:26
words. Old.
25:27
What's his name? No, I don't have it.
25:32
I don't have it either. Sorry, Justin.
25:35
That's the way it's gonna go, eh?
25:39
Something's gotta go. Yeah, that's true.
25:41
No, you're not wrong. I wish I would have thought of a
25:45
different song to open with, but this one just really did it.
25:53
It's Okay. We still tolerate you.
25:56
I love that for you. All right, all right.
26:05
Ready. So I said that I'm gonna have a
26:08
theme to all my pics here, at least for the first like 13 or
26:11
14 and I'm gonna open. With one from making friends.
26:17
Oh my goodness. Once you hear those chords come
26:20
in, you're like, yeah, give that, yeah, inject that into my
26:23
vans. We're starting off with
26:25
Invincible. I did not pick that one.
26:31
Oh, me neither. Oh, what?
26:34
It was one of the last five to cut, though.
26:36
It was the I'm wishing I knew where my cuts were.
26:42
Because I don't. I don't know.
26:45
This is what I was talking about this right here.
26:50
Now I don't feel confident on my 7:00.
26:55
One song will do it, won't it? Yeah, this definitely made my
27:08
first pass. I just don't remember where.
27:16
All right, Joe, see if you can't get us out of this.
27:19
All right, all right. I'm gonna get us on the board
27:20
here. Okay.
27:21
There's a lot of these that I don't necessarily have a reason
27:23
for keeping or losing, as we said, it, just what I'm feeling.
27:27
But this one, I feel like to me, quintessential pop punk song.
27:32
Could have been bigger, could have been bigger to the masses,
27:35
could have made this band off the charts for whatever reason.
27:38
I don't know why, but I mean guys.
27:42
Hang up the phone and then I come back down.
27:44
Miss you. I hope you're doing well.
27:45
This town is full of dumb reminders.
27:47
That's the one that I said too. It is absolutely should have
27:51
been their big hit. Well, I got great news
27:54
everybody. We're on the board.
27:56
I got it too, yes. Damn right, right.
28:00
Somebody's gonna find a pop punk sound.
28:02
It's me. Yeah, that lives up to
28:09
everything that you heard from that era.
28:11
Because that album came out in 2002.
28:14
Yeah. And it's top tier.
28:17
Top tier, right. And that's the height of your
28:19
good Charlottes and Simple Plan and stuff like that, where you
28:22
kind of, I guess you kind of needed.
28:25
For pop punk, at least, he kind of needed like heartthrob kind
28:29
of singers and like real sort of teenage gravitational pull to a
28:34
band. And Tony was kind of middle-aged
28:38
at that point. He was in his. 30s, but he
28:41
definitely by that time, by the that record in 2002, they had
28:45
changed and evolved enough to where it fit though his his
28:49
voice totally fit as that like heartthrobs.
28:52
It absolutely did. I fully, 100% agree with you.
28:56
And I think maybe it's a little of them saying, no, fuck that.
29:00
And maybe it's just they tried and everybody's like, no, fuck
29:05
you. Yeah, everybody was wrong.
29:08
It's true. Yeah.
29:09
Yeah. I think maybe maybe part of that
29:12
plays to cuz to your point Randy, like they're they're just
29:17
if you're not good looking you're not an MTV band and if
29:20
you're not an MTV band it doesn't generate radio.
29:23
For you got a point, Yeah. And it and it felt like that the
29:27
Fat Wreck Band Radio Arrow was well over by the time that The
29:32
Pump punk era came. So yeah.
29:37
I feel like very easily could have just been pigeonholed.
29:40
Oh, that's escape punk band. Yeah, I think so too.
29:43
Because yeah, I'll talk to other people, John, including that.
29:47
When I talked to him about that that pop punk list that I told
29:51
you about before, I was really pissed that, you know,
29:53
specifically more Betterness wasn't on that list and called a
29:56
pop punk album. He said, oh, they're not a pop
29:58
punk band. I'm like, yes they are, yes they
30:01
are. Can't listen to Dumb Reminders
30:04
and not say that's that was great pop punk song.
30:07
Absolutely. OK, All right.
30:10
Joe got us on the board. I'm going to stay in that that
30:15
realm somewhere and that's those albums.
30:19
I don't want to go too far back. As a matter of fact, how would I
30:25
stay right on that record International Uday?
30:29
Yep, absolutely. Absolutely.
30:32
Yeah. Ooh, two from Hard Rock bottom.
30:34
I mean, interesting again that, I mean that record is a pop punk
30:38
record, 100 percent, 100%. Like that's when I feel like and
30:43
that that part like they really to me they hit their stride of
30:46
what to do. I mean, like, for my ears and
30:48
and again, I'm only one guy, but yeah, I love that Richard.
30:52
International U Day is the 1st Tony Sly song that comes on his
30:58
split with with Joey Cape and there is like a like a very
31:03
delicate piano intro into that and the chords just kind of fade
31:08
in and it's so beautifully done. I was actually considering that
31:12
to be my wedding song, like my my wife said.
31:16
My wife said, not really feeling that vibe, but like the lyrics
31:21
are perfect for that situation. Well, there you go.
31:26
Honestly, I'll give anything to be with you right now.
31:31
Oh wait, no. That was Dumb Reminders
31:33
International Youday. Oh my God, I can't even know.
31:38
No, I guess no. International you did.
31:42
It was. I'm sorry that it took so long
31:45
to write this song. But I gave up how it feels to
31:51
know your love. But where did I go wrong?
31:54
I could have known right from the start.
31:56
I'm closer than You're apart. But nothing that I tried will be
32:00
as simple as this. Long without you.
32:03
My life is incomplete and razor absolutely Gray, so for sure and
32:11
so much more than tell you every single day.
32:14
All right, I redeem myself. Go.
32:15
There you go. Well, now you go.
32:18
It's your turn. Oh shit.
32:20
OK, I'm going to take the first song off.
32:22
More betterness. This is a song that my friend
32:25
Tim and I played in my basement on and on and on.
32:29
He would play those chords and. At the at the time, you know
32:33
very early on into him doing that, I didn't know what the
32:36
song was, so I'd kind of make something up on either bass or
32:38
or on drums. And then when I listen to song,
32:41
I'm like, oh, OK, turn that around and now actually try
32:46
playing the damn thing and it's, I don't know if it's like a pace
32:50
changer on that album or not, but boy, this is a fun one.
32:55
It doesn't hit you with the hard stuff until you get into the
32:58
chorus, but those guitars in the beginning are just tasty coming
33:03
too close. Got it?
33:08
I don't. But it's got two so.
33:11
Hey. That's pretty good.
33:12
I'll take it. That's maybe a top five song for
33:17
me from them, all right? Joke.
33:23
I don't really have much of A story for this one other than
33:25
the title. It's off of making friends.
33:27
Hey man, a postcard would be nice.
33:31
No, I didn't take that one. That's a great song though.
33:33
I got it. That's.
33:35
Yeah. All right, all right.
33:38
A postcard would be nice. Yeah, it would it.
33:43
Would just be, not anymore. Just saying.
33:46
Well, not anymore. e-mail. Not anymore.
33:48
Don't give me a card at all. I'm gonna throw that shit away,
33:50
right? Yeah, just send me a text.
33:53
There you go. Hey.
33:56
Hey, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in the Bahamas right now.
34:01
And they'll be like, hey, here I am in the Bahamas and they get
34:05
the card like three days after your home.
34:07
Come on, ain't nobody want that. All right, let's see now.
34:14
I don't. I don't know which way to swing.
34:19
Here I'll go to more bitterness. How about not your savior?
34:30
Absolutely, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
34:34
I I can talk about this song all day long.
34:39
I mean, it's a top 25 most important song in my life, but
34:45
also from a no use standpoint and from a standpoint of
34:49
listening to this band. Making friends is a great
34:52
record, but Making friends isn't White, the pop punk record just
34:57
yet. And hearing the beginning, that
34:59
intro on that record where this opens and hearing the dugs.
35:07
Goal And then slowly getting into those chords coming in like
35:14
from there. It kind of takes you on this
35:16
journey. I'm sort of seeing the way that
35:18
in The Wizard of Oz where black and white is turning to color
35:22
and like that. Is the transition that you hear
35:27
from no use for a name solidifying themselves to being
35:31
a brand new band, same guys, same attitude in a way, but just
35:36
honed in and mature rather than what they were doing for 10
35:41
years or so? Skate punk wise, I like that's
35:44
the perfect song to put that all together and wrap it in a bow.
35:51
Yeah, I think you said it succinctly.
35:53
So at the risk of repeating, I shall not.
35:57
All right. So not your savior was me.
36:01
Randy, you're up. Back to more betterness, and I
36:05
guess there's a reason why I have The reason why I have a lot
36:09
of this album is because it's my favorite album.
36:11
There's, but also there's a reason why I'm picking a lot of
36:15
songs very early on. This is a just a great,
36:19
beautiful punk rock song too, Chasing Rainbows.
36:24
I don't have that one either. Sorry, I don't have a reason.
36:32
I don't have a reason. Something's gotta go if that
36:36
makes it any better. I haven't gotten one of my picks
36:38
in the top 10 yet, so that's a little concerning.
36:41
That's only the third round. All right, Joe.
36:48
Well, I'm going to go all the way to keep them confused
36:52
because I don't think we've played anything off that yet.
36:54
No. And Speaking of Speaking of pop
36:58
up, Speaking of an emo song, ladies and gentlemen, black box.
37:03
Yes, I like that song a lot. Nope.
37:08
Justin does not have it though. Convo.
37:11
What? Yeah, I mean, our worlds collide
37:14
in new beginnings. It's an emergency.
37:15
Permission to bail out. So when the heart crash lands,
37:18
what memories will survive? I thank my black box that I'm
37:21
alive. And that's why they're calling
37:25
that that discog thing that they're releasing.
37:29
That's why they're calling it Black Box.
37:33
Great song. Well, as I mentioned, like I
37:36
loved that record. I thought that was it was like a
37:38
real they felt like a complete band there.
37:41
I've already made you know my I've told you why I've I've I've
37:45
cut stuff from there. So I I don't I don't have a
37:49
reason why that song specifically but you know that's
37:52
why. So.
37:54
That'll happen, OK, back around to me, OK.
38:01
I feel like I've said this a lot today, so the answer is still
38:04
no. Hey, what's your name?
38:08
Fuck you. That's my name.
38:09
Yes, I absolutely have it. I don't.
38:12
I don't have that one. So for you, I feel like I feel
38:16
like I should. Though for you, the answer is
38:18
still no. The answer is still no.
38:25
This is what I thought was gonna happen.
38:27
A couple would get through and then just a a good.
38:32
I mean, again, it's still early. It's not like the game's almost
38:34
over or nothing, OK, Randy? It gives me hope that a Making
38:41
Friends song is in the combo, because we dumped two of them
38:45
and that was a little concerning.
38:47
But I don't know if this is the best on the record, but it's
38:51
pretty damn close. If you're not on the inside,
38:53
you're on the outside On the outside.
38:57
I don't have it. I can't read my handwriting.
39:03
Nope. You guys.
39:07
Come on, now, I'm frustrated. Sorry buddy, I don't have a
39:12
reason. I wish I did.
39:13
The female vocals that come in the end of it.
39:15
Ah, it's such a perfect song. Well, sorry to frustrate you
39:20
there, Randy. I mean like those top four that
39:25
I had are just amazing and only one of them even got in the
39:30
convo rough. I'm not winning.
39:35
Maybe I should have thought harder.
39:38
Yeah, you read my mind, I suppose.
39:41
All right. Not letting anybody up there
39:43
anyway, Joe. Well, I'm going back to Pop Punk
39:48
Central, I'm going back to Hard Rock Bottom and I'm gonna play
39:51
Nailed shut. No.
39:54
Nope. That's all right.
39:57
I guess we nailed that one shut. We sure did.
40:01
Hey, yo, what a segue. I should have said, well, looks
40:05
like I'm on the outside, but it's too frustrated.
40:11
All right, all right, back to me.
40:20
Well, we're talking about Randy being frustrated, so I suppose
40:25
we could be looking forward to his revenge.
40:30
No, I don't have it. Okay.
40:33
Well, there we go. It was funny, but it didn't
40:39
work. Would have been a lot cooler if
40:42
it did, yeah. What records are on?
40:45
Again, that's. Making friends what?
40:47
That's making friends. Wow.
40:48
We played a lot of making friends.
40:50
I'm going to play. I'm going to play a Lesha
40:52
Concarna here because we haven't played anything from that record
40:55
yet. And this ain't the Best Song
40:57
from that record, but it's a pretty damn good one.
41:00
Straight from the jacket. I do not.
41:08
I out of five picks, it's a total of 6 points.
41:12
I guess you would say Wow. Just wow.
41:15
All right. On the next go around, I'll tell
41:18
you guys why I I am playing the songs and pick the songs that I
41:22
did. OK, Joe.
41:25
OK, guys, let's get us back in the board here.
41:27
OK, I'm going to play. I'm going to also stick on
41:30
bleaching. I thought Randy was going to say
41:31
this one, and I'm glad he didn't because I want this to be my
41:34
redemption song. Oh, you played redemption Song?
41:40
Yeah, I, I, I I think that's one of the best punk covers of all
41:44
time. But there's so many amazing Know
41:47
you songs that I just, I didn't even think Alright then fine,
41:52
whatever and all you fuckers in denial.
41:56
Of a Bob Marley song. No, I I actually agree.
42:02
Like I think it's a great cover and I it did make my first pass
42:05
and then like you know as I'm coming through the second round,
42:08
I'm like well, do I want. A Bob Marley song to get through
42:11
when I feel like I can do better.
42:17
Well, you can. All right, I keep passing by
42:22
this one, so how about I go with soul mate?
42:27
Well, that was gonna be my next pick.
42:28
So yeah, I got that too. Hey, awesome.
42:31
That deserves to be in. Absolutely.
42:37
It's just. That song makes you want to
42:38
fucking dance. Three.
42:45
I've got like 3 different machines going here.
42:52
By the way, I can't even hear any of the music.
42:54
I'm just like anticipating. I know it might not be going
42:59
through to you guys. Yeah.
43:02
All the setup is. Checked.
43:07
All right, great. All right, Randy.
43:12
And you said soul mate was gonna be the next one.
43:15
It was all right. So the reason why I'm picking
43:17
how I'm picking here is because there is a live record called
43:22
Live in a Dive and it was sort of a series that fat did.
43:26
And there's a lag wagon, one there's a swing and others one,
43:29
there's a bunch of them. And the minute that I got my
43:33
hands on this one. I was just blown away by how
43:38
fucking tight and how fucking good they were live.
43:41
And that's one of the reasons why I mentioned before that it's
43:44
probably one of my biggest regrets is not seeing them
43:46
because this record holds so much weight to me.
43:48
So I've been playing the songs in a row from invincible open,
43:55
then coming too close, chasing rainbows on the outside straight
43:57
from the jacket. Soul mate, not your savior,
44:00
obviously. There's some that are on that
44:03
record. Like since the Gene and Paul, I
44:07
hate you most of all, but Peter, you're the cat and Sarah fucking
44:11
Sarah Fisher was I I don't remember if it's Incognito or B
44:16
side, I can't remember. But yeah, like there's some
44:19
stuff that's not on that record and I think there's like 19
44:23
songs. I took 14 so still time to go
44:29
too. No, I thought that this was
44:32
absolutely a no brainer for me, but I don't foresee it going too
44:36
far. At the moment it's the only song
44:39
I have off of the album. Don't miss the Train.
44:42
Don't miss the train. I do not.
44:46
Me neither, Me neither. Don't don't miss the train.
44:57
Well, when I package my picks together the way I do then but
45:02
it's but it's also it's it's interesting because you know you
45:05
guys are sort of I guess on the outside of what this record is
45:10
and what they kind of hold weight live which is just very
45:14
interesting. But also the reason why there's
45:16
no it came out it was during the more betterness store so that
45:20
that's why there's nothing off of Hard Rock bottom on it so.
45:24
Or else there would there absolutely would be.
45:28
All right, Joe. Well, I'm going to keep them
45:32
confused, and there's nothing that I love more than killing
45:37
time. Not for me, no.
45:41
Me neither. All right, Killing.
45:44
Or not out of NTP. We're not out of NTP.
45:52
No, I guess not. 4:00 and 4:00. Yeah, it's four through four in
45:59
a combo. A lot of ones that I didn't
46:02
foresee. No, not at all.
46:06
I mean, there's still a good amount of game play left, so and
46:11
we just. Need There was 88 songs, by the
46:13
way. I don't think we told people
46:14
that there were 88 songs on the list that we went through, but
46:19
there's there. The albums are like 30-5
46:21
minutes, so it's right. It's right.
46:23
It's not a big deal, but that just kind of the bull.
46:25
Unless, unless you can only listen to one album a day.
46:29
I still have half, half my songs left, so I mean, it's not we're
46:32
not at NTP yet, but there's still wiggle room here.
46:38
I feel like this one came up earlier, so I might as well,
46:40
might as well find out it's on my list until it's gone, yes?
46:46
Awesome. There we go.
46:47
Got something in from the daily grind.
46:50
Very nice. Switching back to a PC after
47:13
being on a Mac forever. Frustrating.
47:18
Now I have to redirect everything.
47:19
That's why you guys can't hear this.
47:23
Because it looks like it's actually going through to Reaper
47:28
anyway. That's not interesting to
47:30
anybody who's listening. Sorry.
47:32
All right, Randy, all. Right.
47:36
Please work on this one. Please, please, please work.
47:39
This is an album opener. This is a great fucking song.
47:43
Immediately when you hear it, you're like, yeah, give me that.
47:47
Like that should define the band.
47:49
I have two songs that I think. Should be or could be the the
47:55
1:00 to take out of this and this is one of them justified
47:58
black eye that was one of my last cuts.
48:03
I got it. OK.
48:08
Breath of relief there. Yeah, just.
48:10
Like that, we're at the NTP just like that.
48:14
Five and five. Worst case scenario, everything
48:17
from the combo goes in. There you go.
48:21
All right, Joe, I'm going to go to more betterness.
48:25
And even though I actually don't care, but why doesn't anybody
48:29
like me? That's the one.
48:33
That's the one I knew that Justin was going to take.
48:35
Did you take it of? Course I did, yes.
48:38
And because I knew you were going to take it, I didn't want
48:41
the chance of Joe taking it, and I didn't want it to go in the
48:44
top ten. I did not take it.
48:48
Wow. I don't.
48:51
It's a good song, but I don't think it should be in the top
48:55
10. He said it like that.
48:59
All right, let's see. And there's actually a
49:03
conversation. So there we go.
49:07
One and one. All right, back to me, HM.
49:20
Still have a good decent amount out here?
49:22
How about growing down? No, I do not all.
49:29
Right, GRO, growing down. All right, Randy.
49:37
Okay. I have my doubts on this one.
49:40
It's a fucking amazing song, but it's also from daily grind.
49:46
And it didn't feel like this crowd was really into that
49:49
record feeding the fire. No, I do not.
49:56
These are, by the way, for anybody listening.
49:58
These are classic no use songs. That was one that made it
50:07
through my first cut, I think I recall.
50:10
Anyway, maybe I had more on my first pass than I thought.
50:14
For some reason I was thinking 27, but that might have been a
50:17
different band. All right, Joe.
50:21
Well, let's stay on the daily grind and see if we can't get on
50:24
the board, guys, hazardous to yourself?
50:27
Nope. Nope.
50:29
All right then, fuck off. I'm just kidding.
50:32
I got to finish the episode. I can't go anywhere.
50:34
I'm sorry. All right, back to me.
50:40
Well, fine. I'll try one too.
50:42
How about Looney Tune Yes. No.
50:45
All right, All. Right, 22.
50:53
All right. Ready.
50:59
I only got two more songs from that live record, so we better
51:02
hit on something. This is off of Leche.
51:06
How about Exit? I got it.
51:11
You can exit that to the conversation.
51:14
It's got two at least. Yeah, I got two.
51:17
Yeah, I'll fight for that one all.
51:21
Right, One and one. All right, Joe.
51:27
More betterness. The song is pride.
51:33
No. No.
51:34
Unfortunately. And I still have stuff on that
51:35
record too. All right, what?
51:40
Man, Get outta here. I think I.
51:44
Yes, I do. All right, well, I'll stay on
51:47
that record then, since I know at least have one more.
51:52
How about life-size mirror? I knew you were gonna say that.
51:55
That was the toughest cut that I made.
51:58
I don't have it. Okay one.
52:02
Makes me feel better now, honestly.
52:06
All right, Randy. My final song from this live
52:12
album. None of the ones that I brought
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to the table made the top ten. I don't think that this one is
52:18
going to 6 degrees from Misty. No, you missed me.
52:24
Kevin Bacon. Yeah. 6 degrees of Misty.
52:33
All right, Joe. Well, let's just go back to the
52:39
Daily Grind countdown. No.
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No. All right.
52:45
Sounds like we're covering a lot of it, just not none of it's the
52:49
same. Yeah.
52:51
And there were two that I was two other ones I was considering
52:54
that hasn't been brought to the table yet.
52:57
I have 3 left overall, yes, as do I see if we can get a walk
53:03
off. I got 5.
53:06
OK. All right.
53:06
So if you guys got three, I might as well just dump out and
53:09
then we'll see what we got here. All right, I'll start at the top
53:15
punk points. No.
53:18
Nope. Okay, where's that fall on the
53:25
record? There it is.
53:26
All right. Next friends of the enemy.
53:33
Nope, that came close, but no. Fri.
53:40
Oh my God, friends. There we go.
53:47
Okay Undefeated. No.
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Nope, Nope. We have two more to try for a
53:55
walk off. Somehow it's looking like I'm
53:59
going to somehow win this damn thing undefeated.
54:03
Which means there seems to be a song just waiting there for you
54:07
to put in. All right, so let's go.
54:13
Like I said, I got two left going to my two from the last
54:16
record, Part 2. Yes.
54:20
No, I don't have Part 2. OK, I feel like this.
54:26
This last one is from keeping confused.
54:29
I feel like this could be a walk off.
54:33
How dare you? Don't you put?
54:35
That no, I ruined it. Don't you put that on me.
54:38
Last one for Fiona? Yes, I don't have it.
54:42
Oh, I thought you would. Wow.
54:45
OK, that plays within the whole pop punk.
54:49
Oh, I'm aware. Yeah, OK.
54:52
All right. So I mean, we we have a
54:54
conversation here and then you guys still have a chance to
54:56
throw a couple extra in here. But I win at 5:00 and I wonder
55:01
what song I'm going to pick. Look at you.
55:04
Five and then. We do have.
55:07
We do have a difficult task already before you guys even get
55:11
your last couple out here, so yeah.
55:14
We've got to trim 10 down to five.
55:16
So all right. So actually you have two now,
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Randy, I. Have two now, Justin.
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So what's first? Both songs that I picked have
55:28
the same first word. Let it slide.
55:32
Nope. And let me down.
55:35
I do have let me down. OK, that was a late that was I
55:39
think #20. Obviously it's just me but I
55:45
have it's tragic and and born addicted Track one.
55:53
Song one it's. Tragic and born addicted, Yes.
56:03
Born addicted Joe. All right, so we got 5 three.
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Unanimous until it's gone. Soul Mate, not Your saver.
56:14
International Uday and Dumb Reminders are already in 11 to
56:19
converse about. Looney Tune Justified Black Eye
56:22
Exit. The answer is still no.
56:24
A postcard would be nice. Why doesn't anybody like me?
56:27
Coming too close. Let me down Part 2 for Fiona in
56:31
Black box. All right, so let's let's get
56:36
mine out of the way here because we know which one I'm taking.
56:41
Yes, yes, yes, yes. God, I fucked.
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It's a it's a fine. It's a fine song.
56:50
But I shouldn't even put that devil on you.
56:52
I'm. Just saying fuck yeah, I love
56:59
this. Just saying, why doesn't anybody
57:02
like me? Because it's me to a tee and.
57:09
That's why I said that I should have just left it alone.
57:14
Final say so that gives us 6. 6-6, yeah.
57:21
All right, let me sort this so we can make this a little
57:24
easier. All right, so I'm gonna go ahead
57:30
and say this cuz I had the, I had the two that you had
57:35
justified black eye and exit I feel like are.
57:38
At the top. Of my list.
57:40
Absolutely justified. Black eye absolutely needs to be
57:44
on this list. Exit.
57:44
I believe does too. What are your I I definitely
57:49
agree with Justified. It was one of my last cuts I we
57:53
could maybe come back to exit but it's definitely justified.
57:55
I'm I'm here for it but exit. I didn't even I didn't have that
58:00
at all but I'm I'm I'm open to come back to it and put a pin on
58:05
it right. So just justified 100%.
58:08
So let's grab justified, then and then let's get another.
58:15
So that brings us to 7:00. So we still have 3 left.
58:18
Is there anything else jumping out at you Randy, since we
58:20
disappointed you left and right? Yeah, I think the three that I'm
58:26
thinking of here, hey, did we actually get a making friends
58:30
song on the record? That's the record.
58:34
Like with all the making friends song.
58:36
Like the answer, still no would be the one from that.
58:39
That's a good option, but the three I was really thinking
58:42
coming too close. Black Box Exit, I think for me
58:45
personally, coming too close should make it.
58:48
But that also puts three more Betterness songs on and gives a
58:52
ton of the pop punk, while right now the Only and Soulmate.
58:58
I consider Soulmate more of their pop punk stuff, even
59:01
though it was on Leche. But until It's Gone and
59:04
Justified Black Eye are really the two skate punk songs on the
59:08
record, the answer is still no, and Exit would kind of solidify
59:14
some of that part. Coming too close, I guess, is
59:18
more pop punk. Black Box is definitively pop
59:22
punk, but I think it just kind of depends on how much more in
59:28
what direction we want to go in all.
59:30
Right, so. If you gave me, I was gonna say,
59:34
Joe, if you gave me 3 songs, which what three would they be?
59:39
Black box I'm actually. I agree with until it's gone.
59:46
Or anyway that's already in. Never mind coming too close.
59:51
Wow, I'm all over the place. My bad.
59:53
Restart black box. I don't, I didn't have the other
1:00:00
ones that Randy mentioned. But I'm, I definitely agree with
1:00:03
we need some more of the skate punk earlier stuff
1:00:06
representation because I mean really the first obviously we
1:00:10
didn't talk about Incognito, but the first five records that they
1:00:13
had were more skate punk style. So again those back three
1:00:18
records are the only ones that are true like pop punk songs.
1:00:21
So I do feel like we have to represent the older stuff.
1:00:25
So what do you think Randy answer is still no in black box?
1:00:30
Yeah, Black Box will give us the pop punk and we're also give us
1:00:33
something off that record. Yeah, I feel like to get the
1:00:40
skate punk for me is either answer still no or exit and.
1:00:46
I'm fine with either. Yeah, I would.
1:00:49
I would like them both. But I I can I can I can put.
1:00:54
Would be OK with putting Black Box in because that's that's
1:00:58
that's different than the rest. Like Dumb Reminders is a pop
1:01:01
punk song but it feels like Black Box.
1:01:04
I think you kind of mentioned it is a little emo in the way.
1:01:08
For sure, yeah. For sure well and and I think I
1:01:12
think it's important that something from that record gets
1:01:14
through because as I mentioned it feel they feel like a
1:01:17
complete band. And it again that's not to
1:01:19
discount anything prior because I loved the the three records
1:01:24
leading up to that one. But like the fact that they were
1:01:27
to take it able to take it to yet another level without
1:01:30
completely abandoning what made them who they were.
1:01:34
I I thought was was really great.
1:01:38
Yeah. All right.
1:01:39
So, all right. So will lean, Will lean on.
1:01:44
The answer is still no. But so I get Well let's look at
1:01:50
what we got here We've because we got 8.
1:01:53
Until it's gone. Soul mate Not your savior.
1:01:55
Why Doesn't Anybody Like me? International Youday Dumb
1:01:57
Reminders Justify Black Eye Black Box?
1:02:01
Do we have enough of a split or? Because like officially I think
1:02:07
justified black eye until it's gone.
1:02:10
No, I think we need one more of either the exit is still no or
1:02:14
the answer is still no or exit right so.
1:02:17
I'd obviously like them both, but I'm yeah, so.
1:02:20
We're talking about so which would you rather take one in a
1:02:25
pop punk song, John Joe. Or would you rather take both?
1:02:28
Exit? And the answer is still no,
1:02:30
because you were you're pretty hard against EXIT.
1:02:34
Yeah, I was hard against because I didn't.
1:02:36
It wasn't even in my first pass. But I mean, the more that I
1:02:40
think about it, like I just mentioned in the last time that
1:02:43
I spoke, you know, primary other discography was skate punk.
1:02:48
It wasn't pop punk. I mean they.
1:02:50
Evolved into that and obviously I love that as we've talked
1:02:53
about for the last hour and 7 minutes.
1:02:56
But I I mean honestly, to put both exit and the answer is
1:03:01
still no. In does make sense, truly,
1:03:04
because they're more of a skate punk band than they are a pop
1:03:07
punk band. So yeah, I'm gonna get put both
1:03:10
in. It's fine, yeah.
1:03:11
I think, I think the answer is still no, definitely, because we
1:03:14
don't have anything from making friends, right?
1:03:17
Especially for how many songs that we all picked and even if
1:03:20
they went to the pile or not, like, that's just sitting there
1:03:23
for us. And like, I definitely want the
1:03:27
exit in, but I'm looking at coming too close too.
1:03:30
And I'm just like, like, I know we can't with the setup right
1:03:36
now, listen to them. But if you want to take out your
1:03:39
phone, Joe, I mean, I. Haven't get a sense and I think
1:03:43
the listeners can, it's just they can't play it for you guys.
1:03:47
I mean, I mean, I had coming too close.
1:03:50
Yeah, I was the only one who didn't.
1:03:51
So yeah, Exit is off of Leche. We have two Leche songs,
1:03:58
probably the two best represented of that album.
1:04:03
And. I I wouldn't mind three off more
1:04:06
betterness because that is the album I took from the most and I
1:04:10
think that's their most important record.
1:04:12
While a lot of people might say Leche is their best, it's I
1:04:20
think it's like more head saying exit art saying coming too
1:04:25
close, but also could be the opposite depending on what I'm
1:04:31
thinking about at the moment. They're two completely different
1:04:36
songs. They come in differently.
1:04:38
One is extremely just fired up and fast.
1:04:42
OK so let's see here until it's gone as fast.
1:04:46
But it's not the exit. It's not like off the handle.
1:04:49
The answer is still no same like just about I I feel like I feel
1:04:54
like you need like an off the handle.
1:04:55
So I I'm going to say exit would be the one.
1:04:58
The fucking yeah. I I would love to get coming too
1:05:01
close in there if. If I if I won the seven, if
1:05:05
there were seven and I won, it would be in over.
1:05:08
Why doesn't anybody like me? But again, nothing against that
1:05:13
song. I like the song.
1:05:14
Maybe you should. I just knew that in my head.
1:05:17
No, no, that was bad by me. I and I did because I thought
1:05:21
that some of what I thought was obvious would would make it
1:05:27
fair. Yeah, I'm going to say.
1:05:31
I'm going to say exit. All right, let's do exit then.
1:05:34
All right? And then we can get to the even
1:05:37
harder part of the conversation. Maybe.
1:05:39
Possibly, because, I don't know, this might have been the hard
1:05:43
part. Like it's just 10 until it's
1:05:45
gone, soul mate, not your saver. Why doesn't anybody like me?
1:05:47
International You Day. Dumb Reminders.
1:05:50
Justified. Black Eye, Black Box.
1:05:51
The answer is still no. And exit.
1:05:53
Randy, of those 10, which one's the one?
1:05:57
There are two. There are two there.
1:06:00
There won't be two, but there are two.
1:06:03
If you think this band is defined by the skate punk sound
1:06:10
and the double bass and everything just kind of all out
1:06:14
like fast hardcore punk kind of stuff.
1:06:17
Justified Black Eyes, your song. If you love their pop punk
1:06:22
stuff, they're, you know, more, I guess introspective kind of
1:06:26
songs, mature, deeper lyrics not your savior is perfect.
1:06:33
I I am more sold. I'm not your savior because I
1:06:38
think, again, it's the perfect transition from getting to one
1:06:42
era to the next. And kind of stands is like one
1:06:46
of those songs that I feel like you can give to almost anyone
1:06:50
and they can say, all right, I get this band and I I kind of, I
1:06:54
kind of like what's going on here.
1:06:57
So I would say by like an eyelash it would be not your
1:07:01
savior. Over Justified, Buckeye.
1:07:02
What do you think, Joe? Well, Randy and I agree on
1:07:07
something 100%. I was the only one that I had.
1:07:12
Well, I'm not sure. Obviously I was gonna say dumb
1:07:14
reminders cuz I'm a pop pug kid how many times I gotta say that.
1:07:17
But that's not a true representation of who no use for
1:07:20
a name is. So I did look and I thought as
1:07:23
well that Not Your Saver is the perfect middle ground of what
1:07:27
this band is. So I will second not your Saver
1:07:31
as the number one for a bullet. Let's do it then.
1:07:34
Hey, that's it. Cuz like I said or like you
1:07:39
said, it's it's it's a middle ground.
1:07:41
It's it's the transition song. It's where they're going to the
1:07:45
next thing and boom, we've we've done it.
1:07:51
And Joe and Randy can't hear this, but I hope you can not.
1:07:56
Your savior is our number one until it's gone.
1:07:59
Soul mate, Why doesn't anybody like me?
1:08:01
International Viewday, Dumb Reminders, Justified, Black Eye,
1:08:04
Black Box. The answer is still no.
1:08:06
And exit. Round out our top ten and
1:08:08
hopefully we are about to give not your Savior a moment in the
1:08:11
sun. I got to make sure my setup is
1:08:31
right. All right.
1:08:34
We did it. You you like.
1:08:36
No use for a name. Good for you.
1:08:38
You know you got this far. That means you like the band.
1:08:41
You're welcome. We've we've done all the hard
1:08:43
work. That's that's literally what I
1:08:44
say. Every week we did the hard work.
1:08:47
You just got to listen. Boom.
1:08:48
Just like that. If you want to do the hard work,
1:08:51
you want to come play. Go to legionstupid.com, click
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podcast, click deprogrammed, and you will see a sign up sheet not
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but halfway down. Tell me what band you want to
1:09:01
talk about and we'll get you in here.
1:09:03
It'll happen eventually. There's there's a real log jam
1:09:06
happening right now. Really hard for me to get
1:09:09
episodes in. So eventually it will happen.
1:09:13
I promise, if you want to listen to Randy episodes, since you're
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already there at legionofstupid.com, click his
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episodes, click his name. It'll take you all the Joe
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episodes. If you want to listen to Justin
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episodes, that's all of them, baby.
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You're listening to it now. You have no choice in the
1:09:32
matter. So you know, depending on how
1:09:34
you feel about that, that's what you're doing.
1:09:37
I recommend listening to all of them whether you like the band
1:09:40
or not, because you may end up liking it is all I'm saying.
1:09:44
Also, we're a podcast subscribe rate comment.
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Bye.