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Discovering Chakra Personalities and Authentic Leadership with Dr. Shai Tubali · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to Authentic Living with Roxanne, a place where we have conscious conversations
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  about things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Durhaj.
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  So we're gonna start now.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's Roxanne Derrhodge of Authentic Living with Roxanne.
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  Thanks for, tuning in again today.
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  Today, I have a special guest, and he's gonna talk about, some things that are quite
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  interesting, that I don't think I've ever, covered before, about chakras and the real you.
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  And I think that's always something that we're exploring and wanting to know.
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  So doctor doctor Shai Tewbally, doctor Shai, thanks for coming on today and and, spending
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  some time with us.
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  Hello, Roxanna.
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  I'm so delighted to be with you.
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  Doctor Shah is like you know, he's in a place that I'm wanting to go, so this is a a nice
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  thing.
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  He's in Portugal.
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  No doubt a beautiful day today.
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  So he has a PhD, an expert on mental flexibility, and he has been in the fields for
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  quite a long time with methodologies fusing ancient wisdom and modern science.
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  And he's partnered with leading organization internationally, worked with cultures on of
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  innovation and adaptability.
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  Doctor Shai, I know your bio will tell us a lot more.
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  But today, why doctor Shai is here predominantly, not that his body work is not
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  immense, is to talk about his new book, Your Chakra Personalities, ancient chakra system.
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  And, doctor Shay, tell us a little bit.
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  What's the actual name of the book?
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  The book is titled your chakra personality, and it's indeed a a typology of personalities based
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  on the ancient chakra system.
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  And it actually follows from my previous book published in in 2018 called the 7 chakra
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  personality types.
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  So it's actually a certain field that I've been developing for quite some time, and it's a it's
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  a kind of original addition to, the field of chakras and also to the field of typology of
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  personalities.
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  So let's start really basic because I'm gonna say that a lot of leaders are gonna say, unless
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  they know your work or they do if they've kind of, worked within, Eastern philosophy and
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  ancient wisdoms, aren't gonna know a lot about chakras unless you're in that realm.
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  And I've gotta say that a lot of times corporately, we think people we look at the
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  Myers Briggs and, you know, we look at the disc.
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  We do all those personality types, but to actually look at the chakras is a different
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  perspective.
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  So for for the average person that does not know what a chakra is or a chakra, whichever
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  way you say it, Tell them what that is, doctor Shay.
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  Well, let let's start by saying that the chakras are I think what I love about chakras
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  is, first of all, that it's, it's actually the most accessible, dimension of our subtle
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  existence.
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  You see?
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  Because because there we can speak a lot about, spiritual, stuff, spiritual terminology, but
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  it's, that it's usually inaccessible to most people unless they are highly practiced in this
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  field.
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  But chakras, everyone actually experiences chakras on a daily basis.
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  For instance, say everyone feels a heartbroken from time to time, or they feel that their
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  heart opened, or they feel suffocation in the throat, or they feel, butterflies in the
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  stomach or shaky legs, all of which are actually indications of a certain, subtle
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  activity.
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  It's like a body within the body.
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  And, if you, slice the chest, which you wouldn't like to do that, hopefully, but if you
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  did, you would never find a broken heart deep inside.
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  Right?
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  So that indicates that there is some kind of subtle activity, and that is what chakras are.
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  So they are a a kind of somatic tool because they have nothing to do with dogma or with
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  concept.
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  It's something that we experience deep within our body.
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  It's the body, that speaks to us.
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  And, in this regard, chakras, are a great great mediators, great goal between connecting our
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  all our different dimensions, our physical, energetic, mental, emotional, spiritual,
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  everything.
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  They are like the intersection, of of all these different, layers.
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  So it's I know that it's kind of, surprising to think of our personality as something,
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  springing from our energy energetic system.
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  That's a a different perspective on that because it actually tells us there are certain
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  energy, or or certain forces, energetic forces that, are at play behind our personalities.
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  What we discover eventually on the surface is our personalities, our tendencies, our
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  passions, our limitations, our fears.
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  All of these are actually a a sort of emanations of something, that is deeply
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  energetic.
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  Fascinating.
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  So, like, figure though I have not read doctor Shai's book, but now I'm gonna have to read
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  doctor Shai in
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  all fairness.
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  But okay.
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  So I am a hot yoga person.
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  I go to yoga and Oh.
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  You know, when we go in, like, I was there this morning at 7 o'clock.
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  Right?
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  And then you're checking in with your body.
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  Right?
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  You're checking in with the the somatic the feeling part of your body.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  And, you know, some days you go in.
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  Like, yesterday when I did it, it was a gentle class.
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  It was anything but gentle yesterday.
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  I was like, why is it so hard?
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  It should have been a and today was a harder class, but it was easy for me.
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  So it like, to your point, we're constantly moving.
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  But I'm interested in you unpacking for us the you know, in the book about the personalities
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  associated with the chakras.
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  Right?
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  So you, you know, for everybody, it's like, there's the crown chakra, there's the throat
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  chakra, there's this sacral.
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  Am I missing something?
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  Yes.
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  And then the last chakra is the the ground chakra.
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  Right?
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  Like, I don't know what that one's called.
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  Well, the the usually, they are, counted as 7.
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  7.
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  Okay.
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  That that's the most conventional classification, although some describe 5, some,
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  12, some 8, and so so on and so forth.
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  So it's actually we, it depends on the specific tradition, and the specific purposes of, that
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  tradition.
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  Okay.
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  So your 7 is based on what tradition then, doctor Shay?
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  What is
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  it?
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  Again, it's it's the most widespread, and it originates from the tantric, Hindu tradition.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  So with the person that would be in the book, is there an assessment that you walk people
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  through?
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  That way they actually find out their typology, I'm gonna say, if that's the word.
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  Yeah.
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  So give me an can you give me an example of kind of what someone would walk through to in
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  order to get through get to the to their typology of chakra?
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  Yes.
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  I I think that that that's a very important point because because, actually, this is partly
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  what distinguishes the system from other, typologies of personalities.
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  Because usually, first of all, you have on the one side, you have a astrology or numerology,
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  and you simply insert your numbers and you receive some kind of some kind of description
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  of who you are.
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  So you're in a way being told who you are.
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  On the other hand, you have all those kinds of personality tests that help you evaluate your
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  personality.
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  So what is so fascinating about this kind of, of process is first of all, that it's, it's
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  based on an intuitive and direct system because it's something that is in your body.
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  It's not a concept that you're being given from above or, but it's from deep within you.
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  So it's very intuitive.
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  And second, it requires a gradual and exciting and sometimes challenging process of self
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  discovery.
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  So, because it's all about digging your true self from beneath, social conditioning and the
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  and all kinds of pressures and the way you shape your personality around certain pressures
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  in your life.
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  So this process, first of all, relies completely on just reading, the book.
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  So you don't need any expert helping you to helping you to to find out.
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  And, actually, it's all about how you are coming into contact with your own essence.
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  Mhmm.
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  So, then there are all sorts of, processes.
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  First of all, there is the most preliminary one, which is a questionnaire.
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  And the questionnaire, it's a it's a 25, question, quiz.
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  And it's all about, helping you identify all your, deeper passions or the ways you perceive
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  life or interpret life or how you experience things, what are the what the most active part
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  of your being is, the way you get to know others, the way you like to spend your time,
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  the way you communicate with the world, you and and so on and so forth.
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  Or how what you do when you have a negative emotion, how you handle it.
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  Do you analyze it?
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  Do you experience it fully?
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  Do you try to avoid it to, to transcend, through some kind of meditation?
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  And then there is a, the percentage evaluation.
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  This involves reading each description of the types of the 7 types very carefully and
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  gradually, assessing in percentage how much you evaluate the presence of that certain
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  personality type in your being.
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  So some people discover that they are 100% a certain type.
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  And that actually, feels like coming home to yourself.
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  And some have it more challenging.
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  They are competitive chakras.
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  And this is because there are actually 3 chakras that, in their interplay form our
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  personality.
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  So so there is a primary one, a supportive one, and the secondary one.
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  So this is very fascinating because it is a process in which one you need to define your
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  deepest passions, your deepest type of happiness.
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  Because in this system, there are actually 7 types of happiness.
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  No one happiness that is right for all.
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  And second, you need to tap into your life's theme.
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  Life's theme is like your most fundamental friction with the world.
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  Your most fundamental conflict that you've experienced since you can remember yourself.
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  And then there are all sorts of, writing practices that help you, define the specific
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  experience of life and and what it means to be you.
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  So so this is a very, fascinating and intricate process, that eventually, lead you leads you to
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  to that kind of self definition.
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  And based on this self definition, you are actually able to to answer many fundamental
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  questions that you have about your life's dilemmas, choices in life, and, and how to
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  balance your being.
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  So Interesting.
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  Very fascinating because as a psychologist, that's what people come would come
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  to me and
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  practice for.
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  Right?
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  Because what is my true essence?
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  Right?
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  Like, so people would be let's say they're in senior management, for instance, Shay.
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  They come in and they and they want to get to senior VP and but maybe they're female and they
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  just had a young family.
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  But their family, they wanna be with their children, but they also are diametrically
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  opposed because they're on a plane or a train kinda in their position, and they're very, very
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  unhappy.
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  Most people come in with these kind of, I'm gonna say, conundrums and then ready to start
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  to unpack it to recognize maybe they're out of alignment.
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  And it sounds like your system is kind of helping them hone down that much more into,
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  like you said, who am I?
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  Like, who am I?
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  Because, you know, the who am I answers a lot of questions.
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  But we we play a different a lot of different rules, like you say, for society.
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  That's so that's so brilliantly put.
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  Yes.
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  Thank you.
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  Because you see, there is a a tremendous difference between self image.
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  Self image is 1, the the way we want to think, about ourselves.
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  And, and this self image is often actually borrowed from, other people's expectations and,
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  some kind of social adjustment or a certain, even sometimes a certain fear of, of truly
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  pursuing who we are, our passions.
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  So and so there is a self image, and then there is our deepest passions.
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  And sometimes we can, by the way, discover them by thinking about what people tell us that we
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  should stop being or doing.
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  You should stop doing that.
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  You should stop being so dreamy.
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  You should stop being so ungrounded.
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  You should stop actually also being so ambitious.
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  Sometimes people want us to be their chakra types, their personality types.
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  And it's it's so it's actually a very gentle process in which we finally come, into contact
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  with what truly makes us happy.
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  So that might not align with people with other people's ex, expectations or even with our
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  current work.
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  So that's actually the very beginning of a process in which we come closer to
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  authenticity.
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  Right.
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  And which is what I talk about a lot about with, in my work is about leader know thyself,
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  right?
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  If I know who I am and then hopefully that force field around me reverberates back the
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  kind of leader I wanna be, but what happens, and I'm interested with your, this work, what
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  that you're doing and the work that you're doing in your space, that oftentimes is an
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  incongruence with what the leader wants to achieve.
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  The tactical let's say there's a revenue growth of, say, 20% in the next fiscal year, But it's
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  an out of alignment of what this leader is about, and then in turn, they have to motivate
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  their team.
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  And that's oftentimes where I find a lot of leaders end up suffering.
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  So I'm just wondering with your shock system, do you work with with leaders alone?
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  Do you work with leaders and their culture?
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  How do you kind of work with the shocker system or psychology with systems like companies?
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  Yes.
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  That's a very good question because, first of all, there is, there is 1, the aspect of
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  teamwork.
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  Now teamwork, actually works best when you identify, each individual's chakra type, which
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  means that you have the right expectations from the the right people.
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  Otherwise, if we want, certain people to be what they're not, they will not be able to
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  function optimally.
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  On the other hand, if you are able to pinpoint everyone's, say, charter personality types, you
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  will be able to allocate the right assignments or the right roles to to to each person.
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  And then they will feel so harmoniously positioned and will be able to actually
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  contribute their true gifts to to the rest of the team.
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  So for me, an ideal kind of teamwork is when everyone is positioned according to the chakra
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  types and also that everyone is recognized for their true gifts and truly appreciated.
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  And not just a criticized for not being able to provide this or to provide that, but, being,
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  actually, this is, by the way, applicable also to relationships, partnerships because that
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  that's that's a whole,
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  That's a whole other big conversation, which most of the world is trying to figure out at
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  any given point, doctor Jay.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  And the, the second, dimension is the dimension in which, we need to also identify our unique
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  kind of, leadership.
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  Because if you are, for instance, a heart chakra personality type, which means that you
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  are a heart centered personality, you will have actually very different things that you really
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  care about or that, make you feel fulfilled or that guide you as your set of values.
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  So because you will be more interested in in harmony, peace, in creating a certain a
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  certain, level of intimacy and being guided by altruistic motivations and by by really, doing
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  good, benefiting others.
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  So it's so it's going to be very personal and very intimate and often, by the way, a one on
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  one kind of of exchange rather than a a mass influence.
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  So if you identify yourself as such, you will finally be able to relax into this kind of
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  personality, and really discover that your heart, which is often identified as a very
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  vulnerable place to lead from is actually a source of power.
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  So, so just recently I actually said, it was a, there was a program or, for leadership, a
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  program for, leading executives.
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  And I sat in front of someone and a certain executive.
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  She, and she was describing her experience being guided by her emotions.
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  And I told her, look, this is actually your source of power.
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  Don't think of this as a source of vulnerability.
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  You don't need to protect it.
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  You don't need to become ambitious in order to be a great leader.
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  Your heart can be, can have its own ambition.
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  So that's a very important, example showing us that as soon as we really accept our innate
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  design, we align with it and we find in it our true source of power and not the source of
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  power that society endorses such as ambition, financial growth, or or whatever.
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  I'm gonna play devil's advocate here for a sec because some industry, no they're already not
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  looking for alignment.
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  Right?
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  So let's say I'm a leader.
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  I'm heart centered, and I talk a lot about this in my ROR.
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  Right?
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  Yes.
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  I'm connected to my heart.
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  It has to be in alignment with the goals of the company, but it also has to align me with what
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  I value and what I believe and how I'm gonna connect with each person on my team.
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  Let's say, 10, 20 people.
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  And at that point, if the company's vision or mission or goals are out of alignment, and it's
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  really puts me in a point where I'm maybe second guessing my integrity or why I'm doing
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  what I'm doing.
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  Mhmm.
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  I may I may be misaligned potentially as a leader, and it may be that a lot of leaders, if
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  they go through these types of things, they either write it to make the company be in
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  alignment with them and their objectives and their teams, or you're probably changing houses
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  potentially.
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  Would is do you agree with that?
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  Like, a lot of this if you're, like, introducing this, and let's go to the unique
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  design or authentic design for Roxanne, and it's, oh, boy.
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  Roxanne doesn't fit, this particular role.
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  Could be that people are kinda jumping ship or being misaligned where they can't find that
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  same grounding.
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  True.
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  Yes.
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  And first of all, we need to, to understand that, that sometimes people try to fit into
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  certain environments that actually do not lead to to their profound sense of self fulfillment
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  or happiness.
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  And and that that actually sometimes requires us to take that kind of bold leap and to to
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  leave that kind of environment behind.
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  Otherwise, we're going to pay a heavy price.
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  We're just not going to be ourselves.
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  So we're going to be some kind of, of something for, for some people, but we will, not have
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  that kind of a profound satisfaction.
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  If I may use the term soul satisfaction, only in the sense of deep satisfaction that that
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  touches the core of our being and makes us feel, well, that we really want to wake up in
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  the morning and to and to get work.
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  Skip it or step and let it out and get out that door or or come downstairs to our office.
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  But this doesn't mean that that we cannot, find ways as soon as we finally, get to know who we
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  truly are, find ways, wise ways to translate these kinds of of innate passions into,
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  languages that other people can appreciate and recognize.
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  You see, because if you learn what your gifts are, then you can actually find those places
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  where other people cannot have that kind of intuitive or spontaneous experience or
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  recognition and help them with your own missing piece, with what you have in abundance.
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  So I think that, that unless you, you are in an environment where bosses are really oppressive
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  and they really want to, to impose their chakra types on everyone else, I think that, that we
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  could find wisely, those, our place in the puzzle, our place as the missing piece.
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  Like you said, home.
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  Right?
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  You find your home because now you understand your inner space or your inner design and you
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  what the position that you lead how you lead will translate from that knowing.
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  And you may have to change environments, but you will probably be in alignment with your
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  soul if you find the right environment.
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  Yes.
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  I'm curious.
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  Yes.
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  What kind of companies are wanting to do this kind of work?
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  Because at the end of the day, and I I always go since mental well-being and psychological
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  safety and all those things have come to forefront.
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  I've been obviously in this field for about 30 years of psychology.
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  And when I was in corporate, doctor Shay, they weren't talking about that.
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  It was like, get it done, you know, get it done tomorrow.
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  Don't take your breaks, all that kind of stuff.
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  And now we're realizing that your human capital is the biggest fund that you need to focus on.
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  Out there in in Portugal and in Europe, do you are you finding that there's more of an
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  appetite for what this level of authentic design in leaders?
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  Yes.
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  That's a wonderful point.
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  Well, I work for for in collaboration with certain consultation companies.
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  Consultation companies that are that are universal or or worldwide.
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  Actually, yes.
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  Some of which are American based and some Swiss based.
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  And and what I've come to discover in these these kinds of programs, is that that, they
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  are, I think, increasingly eager leaders and companies that find that without this kind of
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  deep internal work, this growing awareness, they they are not able to manage well.
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  And that they are actually prone to all all kinds of emotional outbursts and the and the
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  breakdowns, mental breakdowns, and and and all sorts of of unconscious forces that that lark
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  deep within their minds and and hearts.
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  So I've discovered that that many are interested in deep therapeutic processes, for
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  instance, understanding themselves.
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  And above all, I would say, reaching that feeling of self love from which they are able
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  to become softer manager, which paradoxically implies better managers.
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  I think that that we're discovering the power of softness, the power of vulnerability.
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  And so so I'm actually optimistic because this seems to be, a widespread, phenomenon.
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  Absolutely.
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  And then none of the days where you have the autocratic top down kind of scenarios.
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  In some industries, it's still like that, but I think a lot more industries are recognizing.
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  Like I said like I said, the pandemic highlighted that if you want to really keep
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  your top performers and really understand them and what is their world about, that what we
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  realized it was more important to understand what they're going through in their families
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  or, you know, maybe they're dealing with aging parents like I'm dealing with a a mom that's
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  not what you're wanting to know those things because those are the things that were the
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  delineating factors to say, I think I'd like to deal with doctor Shane now because he
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  remembered something that was not related just to business, but I matter.
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  And that's what I find in the work that I do.
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  That's what a lot more leaders are recognizing that they need to do, but maybe intuitively
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  that it feels better when they know their teams individually and collectively.
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  And like you said, personality wise, if I'm an extrovert, that's one thing.
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  I'm always talking.
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  But what about the other people that are working just as hard, but you're not
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  acknowledging them?
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  So lots of different things that I think we've learned about us wanting to be seen.
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  Yes.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  And I think that that in these days, which are which pose in increasing demand for, for
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  flexibility, for quickening of our ability to response, for facing endless innovation and the
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  and the turbulent world and unstable environments, we, without this kind of
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  component of the of some kind of inner stability that, is the result of awareness, We
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  are actually we become very we are perhaps functional.
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  We're perhaps able to react quickly, but, well, deep down, something, eats up eats us up from
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  within.
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  You see, because we are unable to truly have that kind of mind and heart that, that are
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  swiftly aligning with the change and, and actually are change endorsing.
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  Right.
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  And, you know, I was on a a professional call earlier, and we're talking about the leadership
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  and trauma informed leadership Uh-huh.
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  Functional freeze.
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  Right?
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  And functional and functional freeze is I'm gonna assume doctor Shay knows what I mean, but
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  for anybody that doesn't know what that means that I'm able to work under pressure and get
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  things done.
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  But what happens is that adaptive behavior eventually catches up with me.
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  And if you think of the chakras from some of the let's say I'm the type that my history is I
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  never spoke my words and but I've been quite functional and been able to perform, but then
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  eventually, let's say, I keep losing my voice or maybe I develop polyps in my throat, the
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  mind and the body are speaking to each other, and it just is so much this is so fascinating
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  with what you're talking about because when the when the energy flow or the chi is out of
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  alignment, what happens?
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  Where did where where does the energy pool when the body says, what about me?
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  What about me?
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  So this is this is fascinating work that you've done, doctor Shay.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  Because, by the way, in intriguingly, the when it comes to chart to traumas, traumas are are
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  we all know that traumas are somehow stored in the body.
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  But there are certain areas in our body that, in a sense, remember the trauma, more than
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  others.
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  And those parts are are the chakra related, aspect of of trauma.
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  So one, one practice that can, that I can invite our dear listeners to do is, is think of
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  a certain situation in your life, a certain, probably current situation, or perhaps an
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  unresolved situation from your past.
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  Just think about it.
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  You can even write down some thoughts about it, some feelings, think of related events, and
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  then start feeling, getting in touch with the emotions that you have about that kind of
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  situation.
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  What does it feel like?
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  And then close your eyes and, and ask yourself which area in my body has now become most
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  active as a result of that kind of recollection and the contemplation.
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  And this is really astounding because there's always, one part of the body.
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  Sometimes it's the forehead.
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  For instance, sometimes it's the throat.
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  Sometimes it's the heart.
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  Sometimes it's, the upper abdomen or the legs and so on and so forth.
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  And, that is already a reflection of a chakra activity.
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  And when you learn what the, what themes are involved in each chakra, you are immediately
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  able to pinpoint the, the sources of your, of your blockage.
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  What actually concerns you?
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  What you need to, what kind of life lesson you need to face if you really want to, to
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  transform that, that deep sensation that by the way, when unresolved, can easily developed into
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  some sort of psychosomatic disorder, as you just mentioned.
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  So so that's why chakras are related to health, to our life force, whether it is, high or low
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  and, but also to our emotional health, to our mental quiet.
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  So, so they are a multifaceted system.
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  And when we learn to master them, that's, an important key to to actually day to day
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  awareness as leaders.
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  Amazing.
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  I feel like you're so in alignment with what I teach, but what you I I look at communication
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  awareness, decision making, recognition, and connection, which are all fundamentally
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  elements to lead.
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  But what you're doing is you're pinpointing it that much more and then spotting for the leader
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  to if I think I would be this is my perception again.
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  Like, my image, I think that would be a heart chakra person.
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  And but it's interesting.
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  What would my team feel about me?
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  Right?
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  That's what I do when I do the assessment.
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  So I think the interplay of what you do and what I do would be quite fascinating because
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  you're getting drilling down.
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  I'm gonna say you're drilling down to the cellular level to some degree on the somatic
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  level.
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  And when you when you go there, then, you know, what are the blockages that that potentially
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  people could clear in order to be open to leadership, which is and you're singing to the
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  choir here, but I I think why not, if you're going to lead, be the best version of yourself.
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  And it may not be just at work.
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  It could be at home.
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  It could be in your community.
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  It could be on your football team.
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  It could be anywhere, but you're learning about yourself and kind of creating that legacy of
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  leadership within yourself.
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  Exactly.
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  Well, that that's really wonderful.
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  Sometimes I think, we are told learn to love yourself or to accept yourself.
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  But we, first of all, need to know what self we are supposed to love.
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  Otherwise, it's some something very vague.
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  And sometimes it's, it's actually, not ourselves that we are trying to love, but some
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  kind of self image or some kind of social social adjustment we've learned to to to create
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  as a result of some kind of defense mechanism.
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  So we need to really get into touch with that kind of tender yet powerful aspect, which is
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  our most authentic, passion and, which, and that also means our most powerful form of
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  leadership.
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  And when we position ourselves in it, that becomes a sort of a source of, of radiation or
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  a sort of a source of emanation that, helps other, benefit from our natural, natural self,
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  from our natural qualities that we, that we know best to pursue and to, communicate.
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  And, I talk a lot about, adult attachment theory in my book, which is, I often say that,
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  when the, the person comes into the world, they are a tabula rasa and then they get, my thing
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  is that they get pricked and prodded by perceptions and roles and and the safety of
• 35:40
  their all so many things go into that and then we develop based on where we have to protect
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  against or where we have to accentuate.
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  So it's this is almost like you're going in and you're doing an autopsy and you're
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  reconstructing to be the purest form of who you were meant to be from inception.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  Out into the world in whatever bright light you need
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  to.
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  Exactly.
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  I think you and I could probably talk for hours because this is the place I like to hang out.
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  I agree.
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  For for leaders that are thinking or people that are thinking in general that they want to
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  learn more from you, or they want to connect with you to have consult or the other work that
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  you do, tell everybody where they can get a hold of you.
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  And also the name of the book, and we'll have a link to the book in the show notes so that you
• 36:30
  can also just go ahead and order the book from either Doctor.
• 36:33
  Shay's site or on Amazon.
• 36:37
  Yes.
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  First of all, there is the book, your chakra personality, and it's which is a sequel to the
• 36:44
  7 chakra personality types, although it is a completely self contained kind of book, so you
• 36:49
  don't need to rely on that previous book.
• 36:52
  And and this one is available everywhere on Amazon.
• 36:55
  It is published by publishing house by Llewellyn worldwide.
• 36:59
  So it is, it is really available everywhere.
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  Second, there there is my official website, which is shytubali, s h a I tubali.com.
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  And, this website, includes the upcoming events, including, my professional training
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  for, chakra informed, coaching and therapy.
• 37:27
  So that is highly relevant, I believe, in in our context of discussion.
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  And, there's also if you're interested, in just exploring a little, there is my YouTube channel
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  under my name, and it includes, well, over 800 videos, containing numerous guided meditations
• 37:50
  and explanations about the the method and other methods and how we can integrate self awareness
• 37:58
  practices into our daily life.
• 37:59
  So there's plenty of material to to start with.
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  And I I was checking it out, so I I could tell you that I I enjoyed it.
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  By all means, go and check it out.
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  So what am I walking away with?
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  I think I'm walking away with as leaders, we all want to be the best versions of who we are
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  meant to be in the world in whatever capacity we're leading.
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  And what doctor Shay is sharing with us is that that's possible.
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  You you are walking around with every tool in your body.
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  It's just about learning to listen in a way to the body because it's I call it spiritual
• 38:37
  whispers that the body is giving you.
• 38:39
  So it's tap, and most of us can kind of flit it away.
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  It's a thought.
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  I can I can let that go?
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  Like, it's a feeling.
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  I can let that go until the doc says, you need to come and see me for x y z.
• 38:50
  That kind of brings it to the body.
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  And from what doctor Shay is sharing is this, you have the information.
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  You can learn what you need to do to heal your body or to at least listen to the body so you
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  can prevent it from anything further happening.
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  Reach out to doctor Shai.
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  Either way, I hope, people connect with him, and thank you again for tuning in.
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  And if you're wanting to know more about, the ROR, just go to roxanderhodge.comforward/quiz.
• 39:18
  If you wanna know how authentically connected you are in your relationships, either at work
• 39:22
  or at home, we'll send you through a little really quick quiz, and we'll send you some
• 39:25
  recommendations with next steps.
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  So, again, doctor Shai, thanks so much.
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  And for everybody, thanks for hanging out with us again, and we'll talk to you next week.
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  Take care.
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