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2025 WMTRC Long Trail Preview · Let's Talk Trail Running

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SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome back to Let's Talk Trail Running.
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This is your host Robert Prosser and today we're going to be
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covering a World
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SPEAKER_00: Mountain Running Championship 2025 long trail preview.
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Worlds is this week and it's super duper exciting because we're
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definitely seeing
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SPEAKER_00: the most deep field when it comes to trail professional
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And trail running,
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elite trail runners in general,
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participating in Worlds.
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SPEAKER_00: So super exciting.
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SPEAKER_00: We haven't had an edition since 2023.
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SPEAKER_00: They do it every two years.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we also had one in 2022 because of the weird COVID year.
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SPEAKER_00: But last Worlds was in Innsbruck, Stubai, and 2023.
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And this podcast today is going to cover the Long Trail Worlds
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preview for both the
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SPEAKER_00: men and the women's race.
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SPEAKER_00: For anyone looking for content on the other three races,
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SPEAKER_00: the uphill,
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SPEAKER_00: the classic,
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SPEAKER_00: or the short trail,
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SPEAKER_00: go check out my last Substack post.
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SPEAKER_00: I was fortunate enough to get invited by James L'Oreal onto his podcast,
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SPEAKER_00: the Steep Stuff podcast,
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He does a really awesome job of highlighting a short trail and
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kind of like sub
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ultra and even like 50 K and below athletes and also covering
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races and that genre.
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So I was really stoked when I happened to run into him on the
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trails in Colorado Springs.
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And then he reached out to me after listening to some of this
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content and asked if
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SPEAKER_00: I want to do a world's preview.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was super stoked.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's out on, on my sub stack, but also on podcast platforms.
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SPEAKER_00: If you look up steep stuff on YouTube,
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SPEAKER_00: Apple Podcasts or on Spotify, it is on there.
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SPEAKER_00: So
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SPEAKER_00: Anyways, that is intro for today.
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And today we're going to talk about,
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like I said,
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the Long Trail Worlds course.
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SPEAKER_00: The course itself,
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SPEAKER_00: the race is taking place in the Pyrenees,
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SPEAKER_00: Confrank or Canfrank,
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SPEAKER_00: however you want to say it,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure the correct way.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's going on in the Pyrenees this year.
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SPEAKER_00: And the course is approximately 81 kilometers and 5,413 meters.
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SPEAKER_00: Or for us people in the States who are metrically challenged,
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SPEAKER_00: 49 and a half miles and about 17,800 feet of vert.
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Looking at the profile,
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it's tough to say how many big climbs and descents there are.
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SPEAKER_00: Essentially, the race kind of comes out with a bang.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think it starts off with like a 15 or 1600 meter climb.
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SPEAKER_00: And then there's a big descent right off the bat.
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SPEAKER_00: Another big climb, big descent.
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uh and then we have another big climb and then it kind of gets
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choppy for a bit
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where it goes up and down for a while and there's gonna be a
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big climb where i
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think a good bit of moves will be made um towards the end of
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the race up to the
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third highest point in the race latuca and then a big descent
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and then one last
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climb and a big descent so you could kind of say four or five
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big climbs but
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essentially this course is either going up or going down and
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from what i've been
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SPEAKER_00: saying
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SPEAKER_00: It's kind of weird running where it kind of just goes off trail.
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SPEAKER_00: And I've run on the Pyrenees before,
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SPEAKER_00: and they have a lot of these really steep,
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SPEAKER_00: grassy,
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SPEAKER_00: noli-type deals that are kind of uneven.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're weird to run on.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't really move super fast on them.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're not super fast downhill, either.
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SPEAKER_00: It's definitely going to play out to be an interesting race,
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and I'm definitely going to talk about who I think this course
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favors more or less
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SPEAKER_00: when it comes to that type of running.
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SPEAKER_00: With that being said, let's get into some of the storylines.
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I'm going to talk about some of the storylines on both the
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men's and women's side.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I'm going to go into individual racers in the race.
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SPEAKER_00: Also,
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SPEAKER_00: what countries I think are going to get medals,
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SPEAKER_00: because basically the top three,
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SPEAKER_00: they're going to add up the top three finishers times,
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SPEAKER_00: and whoever has the lowest time is going to get awarded the team medal,
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SPEAKER_00: and there'll be a gold,
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SPEAKER_00: silver,
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SPEAKER_00: and bronze,
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SPEAKER_00: excuse me.
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SPEAKER_00: So with that being said, storylines.
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SPEAKER_00: On the men's side,
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SPEAKER_00: I think the biggest storylines,
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SPEAKER_00: I said,
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is this the potential deciding battle or tiebreaker for the
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Trail Runner of the
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SPEAKER_00: Year award?
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking that it's between Caleb, Francesco Poopy, and Jim.
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SPEAKER_00: So Caleb Olson, Francesco Poopy, and Jim Walmsley.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that if one of them takes gold,
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that kind of solidifies their case for trail run of the year
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and kind of puts them
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SPEAKER_00: on lock.
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SPEAKER_00: Caleb,
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SPEAKER_00: we're looking at a win,
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SPEAKER_00: of course,
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SPEAKER_00: record in Trans Grand Canary this year,
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SPEAKER_00: a win at Western States.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think this would be kind of topping it off.
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SPEAKER_00: Francesco, we're looking at a big wins at Canyons, 100K, big wins at CCC.
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He's taken a few wins at like Trans Grand Canary and Marathon
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and I think Chianti
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SPEAKER_00: Marathon and maybe a handful of others.
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SPEAKER_00: And he also had a 10th place at Sierra's and all.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Jim hasn't raced as much this year,
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SPEAKER_00: but his two races were big hitters on the UTMB index.
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Chianti was a really high UTMB index because he beat Killian
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and Vince Allen.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think it was necessarily a hugely deep field.
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SPEAKER_00: He also beat Andres Ryderer, who DNF'd.
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SPEAKER_00: But then he backed it up with OCC performance.
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And I think that if he gets Worlds,
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it might be just enough to tip him over the top.
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SPEAKER_00: Other storylines I identified.
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SPEAKER_00: Does Christian Minogio shock the world again with another podium?
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Maybe not shock the world,
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but can he repeat with a little bit more pressure this time?
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SPEAKER_00: And then I said, how many U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: athletes can go top 10 on the men's side?
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SPEAKER_00: Last time we had five, six, and seven were U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: for the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: men and got us silver in the team in 2023.
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SPEAKER_00: But who comes out on top between France and the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: and potentially even Italy?
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SPEAKER_00: I think Italy has three really good runners.
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They don't have a lot of room for error if those three don't
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have a great day.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I also put, does Romania get a team muddled?
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SPEAKER_00: They're sending a pretty good team this year.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that if Italy doesn't get the bronze, then Romania will.
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SPEAKER_00: Do we see a sweep of both sides of the long trail again?
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So last world,
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France took a sweep on the men's and the women's side on the
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long trail.
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SPEAKER_00: I put, can the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: do that this year?
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SPEAKER_00: And spoiler alert, I think the possibility is strong that they do it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think it just went down a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, as I'm recording this podcast, it is...
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SPEAKER_00: Wednesday night in Colorado,
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SPEAKER_00: so probably coming up on the morning,
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SPEAKER_00: Thursday morning for anyone in Europe listening.
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SPEAKER_00: Jen liked to announce she's not racing,
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SPEAKER_00: so we'll get into that in a little bit,
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SPEAKER_00: but I think that makes it a little bit less likely for a U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: sweep.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I put,
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SPEAKER_00: does Caleb miss a beat now that he's back to being self-coached,
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SPEAKER_00: or is he just as dialed?
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SPEAKER_00: So up into Trans-Grand Canaria and Western States,
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SPEAKER_00: he was coached by Jack Kunzel,
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SPEAKER_00: and he's kind of been doing his own coaching now since Western States,
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SPEAKER_00: so that'll be curious to see.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's get into some men's storylines.
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SPEAKER_00: And then on the women's side, storylines identified no Katarina Hartmuth.
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SPEAKER_00: So she was the returning silver medalist from Last Worlds.
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SPEAKER_00: I put, does Jen Lichter go out hot and stick with Katie?
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SPEAKER_00: Does she run her own race?
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SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, Jen is going to be a scratch.
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SPEAKER_00: She took a fall and a training run on the course.
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And I think she did something to her hamstring and she just
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announced it today.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's a really big bummer.
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SPEAKER_00: I was really, really excited to see.
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I think that she would have gone out with Katie and held on for
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as long as possible.
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SPEAKER_00: And I really legitimately think that the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: had a shot at two medalists on the women's side.
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SPEAKER_00: I put, is the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: a lock for gold or will France give them a strong one for their money?
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SPEAKER_00: And I think now France has a pretty good chance.
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SPEAKER_00: They're going to be tough to beat.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't have as many big names,
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SPEAKER_00: but they have a really good top three that I think are going to perform.
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SPEAKER_00: So those are some of the storylines identified.
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SPEAKER_00: Now let's get into some of the fields.
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SPEAKER_00: Going over the men's side.
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SPEAKER_00: Scrolling down the list, we got Jim Walmsley.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't really know that I need to say much about him.
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SPEAKER_00: He's kind of the GOAT.
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The only thing that I see that's working against him in this
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course is this is a
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SPEAKER_00: pretty technical course.
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And I think that that might be one thing playing a little bit
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to his disservice.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, he did have the course record at Spigo.
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SPEAKER_00: We just don't see him race.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, UTB is not
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it's vertical but it's not necessarily super technical it is in
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parts um but yeah
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i'm really curious to see how he plays this course next on the
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list we got
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francesco poopy um i think he very well could be a favorite but
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i'm also really
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hesitant my big question mark is is ccc too much or does fran
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flex his recovery
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abilities yet again we've seen him bounce back and race really
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well like two and
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three and four weeks apart with these like sub ultra marathon
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distance races
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But I'm curious if he's maybe biting off a little bit too much
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and thinking he can
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SPEAKER_00: do the same with such a good CCC performance.
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SPEAKER_00: But so far, you know, he hasn't missed at these longer ultras.
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SPEAKER_00: Last year, he won the Italian Long Trail Championships.
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This year,
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he knocked Canyons out of the park,
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and he also knocked CCC out of the park.
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SPEAKER_00: And it kind of just gets more and more competitive every year.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm rooting for him.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think he could also have a really awesome result.
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But I'm just really hesitant that CCC might have been a little
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bit too much in the legs.
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SPEAKER_00: And we'll talk about,
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I talked about that in the short trail preview with guys like
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David Sinclair and
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SPEAKER_00: Eli Hemming.
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SPEAKER_00: But I also, yeah, I mean, CCC is going to be even a longer course.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's my big question mark around Francesca Poobie.
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Next one's going to be Caleb Olson,
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who I think very well could win this race.
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SPEAKER_00: My big question mark with him,
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SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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is does going back to self-coaching work in his favor against
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him or is it neutral?
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SPEAKER_00: And how is he coming off a big break after a stellar Western States win?
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SPEAKER_00: He's basically just been chilling.
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He talked about in some of his interviews how last year him
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doubling back and
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SPEAKER_00: trying to do CCC,
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SPEAKER_00: he could tell he wasn't fully recovered.
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SPEAKER_00: His legs weren't there.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's kind of saying this extra month was perfect for
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SPEAKER_00: Just not rushing recovery,
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SPEAKER_00: getting back in a big block,
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SPEAKER_00: and then also getting to do fun objectives like going up Mount Block,
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SPEAKER_00: I think twice in two days when he was at UTMB,
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SPEAKER_00: but not racing.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one on the list is going to be Christian Minogio,
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SPEAKER_00: took a lot of us by surprise,
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SPEAKER_00: Italian,
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SPEAKER_00: more of a sky runner,
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and basically went neck and neck with Jim and had him on the
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ropes until really it
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kind of came down to like a runnable road or toe pass type
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section where he just
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SPEAKER_00: didn't quite have the leg speed to hold off Jim,
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SPEAKER_00: but still finished within 20 seconds of him.
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SPEAKER_00: So a big question around Christian is,
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can he repeat a stellar day now that he's got some new
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expectations and kind of the
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SPEAKER_00: weight of last race on him?
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Because a lot of people are going to be thinking,
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hey,
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you went toe-to-toe with Jim once.
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SPEAKER_00: This course more suits you.
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SPEAKER_00: Can you beat him now?
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SPEAKER_00: So that's going to be a big question.
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SPEAKER_00: Earlier races this year, he did UTMB Monta Rosa Walserweg or Walserweg.
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SPEAKER_00: That makes me think so.
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SPEAKER_00: That course was 82 kilometers.
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SPEAKER_00: So really similar to this, 6,300 meters of vert, even steeper.
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SPEAKER_00: And he ran it in 937, which seems pretty damn fast.
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So he was also second to Francesco Pupi at the Italian Long
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Trail Champs last year
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SPEAKER_00: by about 10 minutes in a six and a half hour race.
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SPEAKER_00: So definitely excited to see what he can do.
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SPEAKER_00: Other names on the list, Petter Engdahl.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like Petter Engdahl is really, he's back.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's hitting his stride.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we kind of saw some injuries.
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SPEAKER_00: Last year, he didn't have his best year.
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SPEAKER_00: He did race into Western States with a third or fourth base at Canyons.
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SPEAKER_00: The ticket rolled down to him.
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And then at Western,
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he had an okay day,
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but it was outside the top 10,
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kind of got overheated.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he tried for UTMB, but DNF'd.
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SPEAKER_00: And was having some health issues, I think, throughout last year as well.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Petter is really back,
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and I honestly think this race distance is really his sweet
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spot for racing.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, he is the CCC course record holder.
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SPEAKER_00: We saw him absolutely blitz that course,
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SPEAKER_00: and we still haven't seen anyone come within 15 minutes of that time,
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SPEAKER_00: I want to say,
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SPEAKER_00: like 9.50-ish,
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SPEAKER_00: 9.52 maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that really with that skiing background,
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SPEAKER_00: he's good at just climbing,
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SPEAKER_00: climbing,
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SPEAKER_00: climbing,
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SPEAKER_00: and kind of that pitter-patter,
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SPEAKER_00: and just climbing all day.
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SPEAKER_00: And so only question mark would be, is this course a little...
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too technical for him to do well out when I think about courses
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that he's done well
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but he does have a lot of sky running experience he does like
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sky running so I'm
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SPEAKER_00: feeling pretty bullish on Peter I think he's looking good
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SPEAKER_00: Next, I'll talk about Andrzej Witik, the Polish athlete, Andrzej.
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SPEAKER_00: He has been putting in big work on the course post-OCC.
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SPEAKER_00: I followed him, and he basically didn't.
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SPEAKER_00: He still did 100 miles the week before OCC or leading up to OCC,
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SPEAKER_00: and he kind of just took like a two- or three-day break.
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SPEAKER_00: But he kind of trained through OCC and still got third place,
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SPEAKER_00: ran an amazing race,
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SPEAKER_00: ASICS athlete from Poland.
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SPEAKER_00: And I've been pretty impressed by his training.
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SPEAKER_00: My only question...
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with him is i hope he's not leaving too much out on the course
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because he is still
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putting in big work even up to this wednesday as i'm talking
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about it and the race
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is only two days out so um he's looking real good a6 athlete
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from poland and
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looking to double back we're seeing a lot of guys we're going
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to talk a lot about
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occ we got like four or five or six guys we got a lot of people
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doubling back from
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SPEAKER_00: occ and in my top 10 i think i've got
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SPEAKER_00: One, two, three, four, five, at least five guys that race OCC.
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SPEAKER_00: And I could even see a sixth one as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one on the list, Italian athlete for La Sportiva, Andreas Reiter.
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I think he's in that part of Italy that speaks German because
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most of his posts are in German.
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SPEAKER_00: He came out hot at CCC and kind of started off with the lead pack,
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SPEAKER_00: and he fell back to about 11th place,
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SPEAKER_00: so just outside the top 10.
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SPEAKER_00: But this course does suit him, in my opinion.
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He's also had really strong results this year with a third
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place at Lavarado behind
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Ben Diemen's course record and a second place at Transvolcania
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this year just
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SPEAKER_00: behind Peter Frano in terrible weather.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: he also ran into second at the long trail,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: world championships when it took place in Austria.
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SPEAKER_00: So I kind of got a mixed bag.
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I'm a little bit hesitant if I'm all,
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so we kind of got to the big Italian names.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: actually all the big Italians,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: between Christian,
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SPEAKER_00: Francesco and Andreas all raced UTMB week.
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Um,
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and two of them race CCC,
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whereas Christian was the only one that raced OCC.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm a little hesitant.
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I think that we're going to see some people,
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the double with CCC and Worlds not work out well.
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And it's just kind of like a crapshooter roll of the dice when
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it comes to who is
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SPEAKER_00: going to get in trouble with that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Going down the list, Louisane Coiffette.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure I'm pronouncing that wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: Either way, French athlete, not really known to us U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: fans, but he competes on the sky running circuit frequently.
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He does really well in technical courses,
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along with long and kind of grindy races.
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He was second at the French long trail champ qualifier to
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Benjamin Rubel by about
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SPEAKER_00: two minutes,
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SPEAKER_00: and that was a seven hour and 15 minute race.
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And he finished in front of Baptiste Chassain,
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who got second at UTMB last year.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was kind of really big in the French scene.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about him in a little bit here.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Louisone could be one of the point scores for France.
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SPEAKER_00: Essentially, there's four big names I'm looking at in France.
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SPEAKER_00: Benjamin Rubal, who we're going to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: Vincent Bouillard, who we're going to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: Louisone Cofet.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Baptiste Chassain.
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So,
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like I said,
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the top three,
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they combine their family,
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whoever's the lowest time wins.
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SPEAKER_00: And right now I think that, I think the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: has four very legitimate people.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I also think France does.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's going to be, it's going to be tight.
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SPEAKER_00: We kind of saw that last time, long trail, U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: got silver.
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SPEAKER_00: But France, when Benjamin Rubel won it, he was like so far ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we also had Thibaut Gribier in fourth place.
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SPEAKER_00: that the third point getter,
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SPEAKER_00: even though US went five,
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SPEAKER_00: six,
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SPEAKER_00: seven,
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SPEAKER_00: the third point getter,
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SPEAKER_00: I think was like 17th place.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it was Baptiste.
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SPEAKER_00: But it still was enough time that they dip below the US.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's gonna be important.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, additional considerations.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, all right, let's talk about the French team.
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SPEAKER_00: So Baptiste Chassain,
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SPEAKER_00: third at the French trail,
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SPEAKER_00: long,
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SPEAKER_00: long trail qualifier behind Benjamin and Louisan.
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SPEAKER_00: He got second at Grand Raid,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: 100K,
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SPEAKER_00: excuse me,
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SPEAKER_00: Grand,
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SPEAKER_00: excuse me,
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SPEAKER_00: Pontu,
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SPEAKER_00: 100K,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: behind Ben Demon.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he's likely,
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SPEAKER_00: in my opinion,
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SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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to be the third point scorer behind Vincent Bouillard and
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Benjamin or potentially
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SPEAKER_00: Louisan as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Vincent Bouillard,
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we already talked about a little bit third at Chianti this year
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behind only Killian
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SPEAKER_00: and Jim.
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SPEAKER_00: He had a DNF at Western States.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't his best day out there.
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SPEAKER_00: He won UTMB last year.
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SPEAKER_00: He got in off a resume spot over Matthew Blanchard,
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but it's kind of tough to know where he's at because his job is
15:30
dark and he doesn't
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SPEAKER_00: post a lot of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting that they chose Vincent over Mathieu.
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The French team cited that it was because of his UTMB index
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being higher than
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SPEAKER_00: Mathieu's,
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SPEAKER_00: but honestly,
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I feel like Mathieu's kind of better suited to this course than
15:44
Vincent are in my
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SPEAKER_00: mind,
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SPEAKER_00: because Mathieu's really good at technical stuff,
15:47
SPEAKER_00: second at UTS,
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SPEAKER_00: Snowdonia 100k,
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SPEAKER_00: and just really good at really hard races.
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SPEAKER_00: So
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting choice.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: We'll see if it pays off.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
15:56
SPEAKER_00: I think Vincent Villard is definitely going to be one of the most fit,
15:58
SPEAKER_00: but I don't know how he's going to fare on a course like this.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen a ton of technical results from him.
16:03
And then last one I want to talk about who's probably top on my
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list and who also
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SPEAKER_00: isn't really known to the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: audience.
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He's going to be the reigning long trail world champ from 2023
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and also the
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SPEAKER_00: reigning European trail champ from last year's Euro trail temps.
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SPEAKER_00: That's going to be Benjamin Rubal.
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He does great when he's racing under the French colors and he's
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not quite as
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SPEAKER_00: impressive when he races,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: when he's not racing for his nation.
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So expect him to be in top form and to have targeted this race
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the entire year and
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SPEAKER_00: to be peaking right at the right time.
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He did win the French long trail championship by two minutes,
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like I mentioned earlier.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, so next one on the list I skipped over.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to come back to him.
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SPEAKER_00: That's going to be Adam Petergod, a.k.a.
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SPEAKER_00: Adam Peterman.
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SPEAKER_00: Win at Gorge 100k for the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: qualifier.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, people are complaining.
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It's definitely not the most specific course to this course,
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but it's tough in the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't really have terrain, quite frankly, that mimics this.
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We also don't have terrain that we can pick a team early enough
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to mimic this.
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SPEAKER_00: So
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SPEAKER_00: It is what it is.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't feel bad at all that Adam,
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SPEAKER_00: like the team we're sending is awesome based off the Gorge qualifiers.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't really feel bad about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: So Adam got a win at Gorge 100K.
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SPEAKER_00: He was not DNF at Western.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: He walked it in at Western and then bounced back with a sixth at OCC,
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SPEAKER_00: even though he was closing really hard on Chris Jones.
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SPEAKER_00: He is coached now.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm excited to see how he races.
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And I think he's working with somebody that's out of Montana,
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maybe even for CTS.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, so a couple more names on this list.
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SPEAKER_00: Miguel Arsenio, Portuguese runner for Calasfugo.
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SPEAKER_00: Best results this year have been a win at the Swiss Canyon's 100K,
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SPEAKER_00: second at Madeira Island Ultra Trail 115K.
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SPEAKER_00: This course could suit his strengths.
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SPEAKER_00: He races a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: Doesn't do as good at shorter races,
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SPEAKER_00: but he's kind of,
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SPEAKER_00: it seems like to him,
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SPEAKER_00: his sweet spot's right in like that 100 to 120K.
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SPEAKER_00: So 85K, a little bit shorter, but a little bit steeper.
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think he could do pretty well here i've picked him in the past
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and got murdered on
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fantasy free trail um so sometimes i kind of hold him off but i
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think he could have
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a good race here raul roos belgian runner for new balance
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really impressed with his
18:03
third place at marathon to mont blanc this year but doesn't
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have any results in
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longer races so curious to see how it goes just someone i'm
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going to throw out
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SPEAKER_00: there
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SPEAKER_00: And then getting to that US team,
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SPEAKER_00: one of my all-time favorite runners,
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SPEAKER_00: Zach Miller,
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SPEAKER_00: the little engine that could basically,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Jim Walmsley's trying to make trying hard cool.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: Zach Miller is like the epitome of trying hard.
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SPEAKER_00: Like that dude tries as hard as any race and he leaves it all out there.
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SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it really works out.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes he blows up spectacularly.
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SPEAKER_00: This year at Hard Rock,
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SPEAKER_00: he kind of blew up,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe not spectacularly,
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SPEAKER_00: but definitely didn't have the race that he wanted and got fifth place.
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SPEAKER_00: Doesn't race a ton and is really smart about racing.
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SPEAKER_00: And he's known he's had this US spot for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: So how does he bounce back from hard rock?
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SPEAKER_00: And does he deliver a top 10 again for USA?
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SPEAKER_00: He was sixth place last world.
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SPEAKER_00: So definitely excited to see Zach.
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SPEAKER_00: This is definitely his type of course too.
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SPEAKER_00: He likes this rugged type of stuff, so.
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Next runner we're going to talk about is Slovakia's very own
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Peter Frano.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm really bullish on this guy.
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SPEAKER_00: I really like his build coming in there, his kind of maturity.
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SPEAKER_00: He raced Western, but he didn't – he's only done one tune-up like –
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SPEAKER_00: Slovakian Sky Race that was less than two hours since Western.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's really taken his time recovering.
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He did get a top 10 at Western,
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so he can come back next year if he want to.
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And in my mind,
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he had a pretty big disadvantage coming over with a sponsor
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that's not a U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: company like Scarpa.
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SPEAKER_00: And then also,
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's on Precision Fuel and Hydration now,
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SPEAKER_00: but I don't know that he had them when he raced.
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And I feel like for him to get top 10 at Western with how few
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resources he had,
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it's definitely not equivalent to somebody that runs for Hoka
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getting a top 10.
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SPEAKER_00: It was pretty impressive.
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SPEAKER_00: On top of that, he was second at CCC last year.
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SPEAKER_00: He was also eighth at Worlds in 2022 and third in 2023.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: And then last year, he was the European Trail Champs.
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SPEAKER_00: They didn't have a long and short.
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SPEAKER_00: They kind of had an in-between.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like a 58K, I want to say, with around 4,000 meters of vert.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: And he got seventh at that.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he also,
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SPEAKER_00: this year,
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he started off the year with a win at Transvolcania and
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terrible apocalyptic
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SPEAKER_00: weather,
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SPEAKER_00: sideways rain,
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SPEAKER_00: basically hypothermia conditions.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think he was only wearing a T-shirt,
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SPEAKER_00: and he was blue by the end of it,
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SPEAKER_00: but somehow he still finished the race and won over...
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over,
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uh,
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Andreas writer,
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but yeah,
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so I think the crappier the weather is the tougher he gets.
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SPEAKER_00: And, uh, I think he's going to be definitely somewhere in that top 10.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a really, he's a really smart racer.
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SPEAKER_00: He's really consistent.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's the same age as me,
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SPEAKER_00: like right around 29,
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SPEAKER_00: but he races much more mature than his age.
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SPEAKER_00: All right,
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SPEAKER_00: next here on the list,
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SPEAKER_00: somebody who's already put South America on the map,
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but also could put them on the world's map out here in the long
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trail course.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's going to be Joaquin Lopez.
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SPEAKER_00: Really impressive start to the year,
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winning a big course record at Mount Fuji 100 against some good
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competition.
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I think he's had worlds circled this whole year on his calendar
20:51
and he's really prioritized it.
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SPEAKER_00: He got Keyless Fuga to sponsor the Ecuadorian team and he's really,
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SPEAKER_00: really trying to promote trail running in South America,
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which is really awesome because I think there's probably some
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really awesome races
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SPEAKER_00: to be had down there.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I think he just really wants to rep Ecuador.
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So I think he's going to show up,
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you know,
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he's been targeting this race.
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SPEAKER_00: He didn't race at,
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SPEAKER_00: any of the UTMB races, I'm pretty sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe he did OCC.
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But either way,
21:15
I think he's been targeting this race,
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and it's been high on his list.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he did do OCC, and he got... So...
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SPEAKER_00: That is Joaquin Lopez.
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SPEAKER_00: And then some other names worth mentioning, Raul Bacacci, Romanian.
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SPEAKER_00: He's one of a couple of guys on Romania,
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along with Bogdan Damian and Leonard Matrica that I think could
21:40
get them a medal
21:41
SPEAKER_00: potentially.
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SPEAKER_00: I think his course suits him pretty well.
21:44
His best results this year were second at Lavarado,
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just behind Ben Damon's course record.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think he was right around Hannes' course record time.
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SPEAKER_00: And he was the third at Madeira Island Ultra Trail 115K,
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SPEAKER_00: along with a win at Trans Grand Canary Advance,
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SPEAKER_00: which isn't the full length.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a little bit less competitive.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's very likely for a top 15.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's going to help put Romania on the board.
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SPEAKER_00: Ramon Menech, he's a Swiss runner for Salomon.
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SPEAKER_00: He's got wins at the Cat 100K in Austria.
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SPEAKER_00: 5th at Marathon of Montblanc 90K and a 5th at Transvaulconia this year.
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SPEAKER_00: 7th at CCC last year and a consistently good racer.
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So I think he's really likely to finish top 15 and really
22:23
likely to finish the race.
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely could be somebody who cracks the top 10
22:28
And a couple other names worth mentioning,
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but I won't go too much into them.
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SPEAKER_00: Leonard Matrica, Bogdan Damian.
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SPEAKER_00: We've seen some good results on Golden Trail World Series.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a really good descender.
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SPEAKER_00: Luke Grenfell-Shaw from the UK.
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SPEAKER_00: He's got some good 100K results,
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SPEAKER_00: some top tens at,
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SPEAKER_00: I want to say,
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SPEAKER_00: CCC and some other competitive races.
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SPEAKER_00: Abel Caratero from Spain.
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SPEAKER_00: He's familiar with this course.
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SPEAKER_00: Tyler Green from the USA.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Hugh Chatfield.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: And then other guys worth mentioning.
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So from the U S team,
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we have got as well on the long trail team,
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I'm leaving out.
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SPEAKER_00: So we said Tyler green.
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SPEAKER_00: And then last one is tracing up Alaskan mountain runner.
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely think he could do well on this course.
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SPEAKER_00: It suits his kind of technical abilities.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think it is his world's debut.
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SPEAKER_00: I know his partner made the team last time,
23:20
SPEAKER_00: Claire Rhodes,
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SPEAKER_00: who we'll talk about here in a second,
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SPEAKER_00: but I don't think he did.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's going to be his world's debut.
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SPEAKER_00: So that'll be exciting.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: So that is the men's side.
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SPEAKER_00: And if I'm going to wrap up the men's, let's also go with country medals.
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SPEAKER_00: And also I'll go with my tentative top 10.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: So first and foremost, we're going to go country medals.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm pretty bullish.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: I try to be pretty neutral.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: If you listen to my podcast on the steep stuff with James,
23:44
SPEAKER_00: I try to not,
23:45
SPEAKER_00: you know,
23:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm rooting for the USA.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: I want them to win more than anyone.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I try to be kind of like objective as possible with these picks.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: I would very legitimately though,
23:54
SPEAKER_00: think that the U S uh,
23:56
SPEAKER_00: men's trail team for the long team is the team to be,
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SPEAKER_00: and I've got them,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: for gold.
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SPEAKER_00: I've got France in a close second.
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SPEAKER_00: I think France very well could take the gold as well.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: and what scores to on the U S side,
24:08
SPEAKER_00: Jim and Caleb,
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SPEAKER_00: I think are for sure going to be our top two scores.
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SPEAKER_00: And then for third, I'm kind of between Adam Peterman or Zach Miller.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: And I think I'm leaning a little bit more towards Adam Peterman.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: for being our top three scorers.
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SPEAKER_00: On the French men's side,
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SPEAKER_00: they've got four really good potential scorers in Benjamin,
24:24
SPEAKER_00: Vincent,
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SPEAKER_00: Louisan,
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SPEAKER_00: and Baptiste.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
24:27
I think Benjamin Rubal is definitely going to be a scorer and
24:30
probably even a
24:31
SPEAKER_00: medalist.
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Vincent's kind of my wild card where I'm not sure,
24:34
but I think he's going to race well.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: And then Louisanne or Baptiste.
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Baptiste was the third scorer last time in the World Champs,
24:42
and he's only improved since then.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: And Louisanne,
24:44
kind of not as well known to us Westerners as for sure Vincent
24:48
or maybe even
24:48
SPEAKER_00: Baptiste and Benjamin.
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But I think he could very well be a scorer and could go top 10
24:53
in this race as well.
24:55
For the bronze team medal,
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I have Italy with Francesco,
24:59
Christian Minogio,
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and Andreas.
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And then kind of an honorary fourth place or somebody who I
25:04
think very well could
25:05
take the bronze because I don't feel like Italy has a lot of
25:07
room for error if
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SPEAKER_00: Francesco or Christian or Andreas don't have a good day,
25:12
SPEAKER_00: especially since all of them,
25:13
SPEAKER_00: Francesco and Andreas,
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SPEAKER_00: are doubling back from CCC.
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SPEAKER_00: Christian's coming back from OCC.
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SPEAKER_00: Fourth, Romania.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, Raul Batacci, Leonard Matrica, and Bogdan Damian.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of where I'm thinking there.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: And then now I'm going to talk about my men's top 10 picks.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: These are definitely subject to change.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: I've still got two days and one hour and 51 minutes to change them.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: But that's the caveat I always give you guys when I'm making these picks.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: I'll probably fiddle with some stuff.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: But tentatively, here is my top 10 right now.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: And I'll give you all 10.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to go 10 through 1.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: So I'll go 10th place, Joaquin Lopez.
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SPEAKER_00: I think he's really primed for this race.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: And I think he's really excited.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: I think he could finish higher.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: But I'm just not as confident, I guess.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: Ninth place, I'm going to go Adam Peterman.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: He's one of three males I've got in the U.S.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: top 10, just like we had three in the top 10 last time.
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SPEAKER_00: Eighth place, I've got Vincent Bouillard.
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SPEAKER_00: Seventh place, Andrzej Witek from Poland.
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SPEAKER_00: Feeling pretty bullish on him.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: I really liked his OCC performance,
26:09
and I even had him as high as like fourth or fifth before I
26:11
fiddled around.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: I think he's going to have a good day out here.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Sixth place, the always wise and always smart racing Peter Frano.
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SPEAKER_00: I could definitely see him meddling again as well,
26:21
SPEAKER_00: and I think he's a pretty safe,
26:22
SPEAKER_00: pretty reliable pick to be up here.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: Fifth place, Petter Engdahl.
26:27
SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
26:28
SPEAKER_00: I think we've got some prime Petter,
26:29
SPEAKER_00: and I think he even has the chops to meddle in this guy,
26:33
SPEAKER_00: but right now I've got him in fifth place.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: Fourth place, I got Christian Minogio.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: So I got him doubling back from that OCC performance.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: I think this course suits him more than OCC does.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: And the more climbing and ascending, the better off he is.
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SPEAKER_00: Third place, I've got Caleb Olson with the bronze medal.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: I like that he has really chilled since Western,
26:53
SPEAKER_00: learned from trying to double back too early last year.
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And I think coach or no coach,
26:57
I think he has learned a lot this past year.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: And I think he is a very formidable competitor.
27:02
SPEAKER_00: Second place, I got Benjamin Rubal.
27:04
from france he peaks at the right time he's really going to
27:07
prioritize that this
27:08
french team is going to be coming out guns blazing and i think
27:11
he's going to repeat
27:12
he just seems to do really well at this kind of stuff but with
27:14
that being said i
27:15
don't think he's better than the goat which would be mr jim
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walmsley so i got jim
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going for gold um and other names i left out you'll notice
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absent francesco poopy
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SPEAKER_00: like i said i
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SPEAKER_00: If he races, he's probably going to medal.
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SPEAKER_00: If he finishes, he's probably going to medal.
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SPEAKER_00: But my big question mark is CCC and the likes too much.
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SPEAKER_00: Same question with Andreas Reiter, CCC and the likes too much.
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SPEAKER_00: Louis-Ome Quiffet, I could definitely sub in to the top 10 somewhere.
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SPEAKER_00: And then same thing with guys like...
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Baptiste Chassain,
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Raul Butachi,
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probably even Zach Miller as well,
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or Ramon Minich.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think those are all strong picks if you're looking to make a case.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is my men's side.
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SPEAKER_00: So now we're going to get over to the women's side.
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SPEAKER_00: And I talked about the storyline some.
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SPEAKER_00: No Katerina Hartmuth.
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SPEAKER_00: Does Jen Lector.
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I talked a lot about Jen Lector,
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which is really a bummer that Jen scratched.
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SPEAKER_00: But I hope she's recovering okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope she's doing well.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: and just kind of going through this list of names we've got,
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SPEAKER_00: and actually let's look to,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: if I'm looking at the 2023 results on the long trail side,
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SPEAKER_00: gold team medals or for team medals,
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SPEAKER_00: France was gold.
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SPEAKER_00: United States was silver and Italy was bronze on the women's side.
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SPEAKER_00: France was also gold.
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SPEAKER_00: Germany was silver and Italy was bronze.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: so we're going to talk about that a little bit,
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SPEAKER_00: but on the women's side,
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SPEAKER_00: first name on the list,
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SPEAKER_00: Katie Scheidt.
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SPEAKER_00: She's the GOAT.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't really know what else to say about her.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she hands down has to be the favorite.
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SPEAKER_00: She's on a tear.
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She's ascended to Courtney level where basically any race she's
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in,
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you expect her to win.
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SPEAKER_00: And then even races you don't expect her to win,
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SPEAKER_00: she finds a way to surprise you,
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SPEAKER_00: like with a second place,
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SPEAKER_00: upgraded to second place at Sierra's on all now.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's her race to lose.
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SPEAKER_00: She is the favorite.
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You know,
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basically until somebody beats her,
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I'm going to keep taking her.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one on the list is Rosa Larifilu.
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SPEAKER_00: She's more of a sub-ultra and trail marathon specialist.
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SPEAKER_00: She always goes top 10 in Sky Running World Series races,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of Golden Trail Series races,
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SPEAKER_00: and just a lot of the most competitive marathon distance races.
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So she's coming off a top 10 at OCC,
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and I want to say she's like 6th or 7th.
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uh and lots of good top tens and competitive sub ultra races
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this year including
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marathon of mont blanc i think she was top five sky running
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world series races and
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other golden trail series races she did race in 2023 worlds in
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the long trail she
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got 11th place so she'll be looking to improve i think she
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could do well here i see
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her as more of a sub ultra specialist but uh she definitely has
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the speed to do
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SPEAKER_00: well
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SPEAKER_00: against a lot of these ladies,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm not too nervous about her coming off OCC,
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SPEAKER_00: because I feel like that is a good tune-up.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one on the list I'm pretty bullish on, and that is Ida Nielsen.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she's fresh and primed.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she's going to do super well here.
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SPEAKER_00: Her last big race,
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SPEAKER_00: per se,
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SPEAKER_00: was a killer fourth place at Western States,
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SPEAKER_00: in which I think she was as high as second place,
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SPEAKER_00: and then just kind of had a gutsy back half of the race.
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Didn't blow up or anything,
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but other ladies just raced smart and kind of made moves late.
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Since then,
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she's run some other local races in Sweden,
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but nothing too much to sow.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think she's going to be pretty tuned and ready to go.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm feeling pretty bullish on Ida.
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SPEAKER_00: Next one on the list is going to be Sylvia Nordskar.
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SPEAKER_00: This is another one of those people coming off a CCC,
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SPEAKER_00: amazing performance,
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SPEAKER_00: second place,
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SPEAKER_00: barely about 20 seconds,
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SPEAKER_00: epic race with Martina Milarnczyk,
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SPEAKER_00: who's racing the classic distance,
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SPEAKER_00: I want to say.
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SPEAKER_00: But my only big question is, is this too much racing too close?
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SPEAKER_00: I think that she could do extremely well here,
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SPEAKER_00: but I could also see there's being too much fatigue in her legs.
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SPEAKER_00: Not everyone can pull off that double, and I'll be impressed if
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SPEAKER_00: Really,
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SPEAKER_00: if anyone does,
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SPEAKER_00: or especially if Francesca Pupi can win back-to-back,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't see how he doesn't win trail run of the year.
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SPEAKER_00: But I also don't see many people doing that.
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SPEAKER_00: Next runner is Italian Fabiola Conti.
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SPEAKER_00: She has a win at a very vertical and,
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SPEAKER_00: I imagine,
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SPEAKER_00: very technical Monterrosa-Walserweg,
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SPEAKER_00: which was 122 kilometers with 8,200 meters of vert.
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SPEAKER_00: Holy steep.
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SPEAKER_00: She was also a top five at the Marathon of Mont Blanc this year,
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SPEAKER_00: and I think third at Mont Zerbion.
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SPEAKER_00: So she's looking pretty good shape,
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SPEAKER_00: looking to improve on her 18th place from the long trail worlds in 2023.
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SPEAKER_00: She could definitely be somebody to watch out for.
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I was kind of thinking that I couldn't remember much of what
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she did this year.
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And then when I saw that top five at Marathon of Mont Blanc and
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third at Mont
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SPEAKER_00: Zerbion,
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SPEAKER_00: along with that Valser regress,
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SPEAKER_00: which is like super vertical,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: she's got the speed.
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SPEAKER_00: She also can grind out in long races.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I could see her doing pretty well.
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SPEAKER_00: Next on the list is from Hungary.
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Hoka athlete Esther Chilag,
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badass Hungarian runner from Hoka,
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lives in Hong Kong.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she's like an art historian or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: She unfortunately had a DNF at Western States this year.
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And I think she also finished a race in Australia and set a
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course record,
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SPEAKER_00: the Buffalo something,
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SPEAKER_00: something Buffalo.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she'll be hungry to get redemption from Western states.
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SPEAKER_00: And I definitely think she's somebody to look out for.
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SPEAKER_00: TBD on technicality of the course,
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that might be the only thing that's making me a little bit
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nervous when it comes to
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SPEAKER_00: how she performs here.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: And then next up on the list is Sunmaya Buddha from Nepal.
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SPEAKER_00: We haven't seen her race as much this year.
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SPEAKER_00: Early in the year, she got a second place at Hong Kong, 100K.
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SPEAKER_00: Really good showing.
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SPEAKER_00: That was like February.
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SPEAKER_00: She also got a win at the Chengdu 60K and the Mount Yun 30K in China.
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SPEAKER_00: But her last race on our UTMB index was April.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what's been going on since then.
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We saw her go third place at Transvalkanya early last year in
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what was like a really deep field.
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And she also had a DNF at Worlds in 2023 and a 10th at the Long
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Trail in 2022.
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely could be a sleeper pick.
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Definitely could be somebody looking to recover or basically
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get redemption from
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SPEAKER_00: her 2023 Worlds DNF and make her country proud.
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SPEAKER_00: Next on the list was Jen Lichter.
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SPEAKER_00: who I was very excited to see.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought the US,
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SPEAKER_00: I very,
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SPEAKER_00: in the same way that I predict,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Jim and Caleb both getting medals,
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I really legitimately thought that there's a very strong chance
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that both Katie and
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SPEAKER_00: Jim Lector would get individual medals.
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SPEAKER_00: And then that would pretty much help our US team get a pretty easy gold.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm really bummed she's not racing, but I really hope everything's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And I hope it doesn't set her back too much.
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SPEAKER_00: Next on the list is Jasmine Louther.
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A Canadian coming off the top 10 at OCC,
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and I think she was in 10th or 9th.
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SPEAKER_00: We've seen her win Ultra Trail Cape Town last year,
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which people say is really technical in certain parts in a
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weird type of way.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's a lot different than this, but I could be wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: And we also saw her go fourth at Spigot this year,
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SPEAKER_00: but it was in the same time that she won the race last year.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's just how fast all the ladies in the field were.
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SPEAKER_00: I think this course suits her strengths well.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she's a strong pick for top 10.
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And I think she's probably coming in pretty well and fresh from
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an OCC tune-up.
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SPEAKER_00: Next person also used an OCC tune-up.
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SPEAKER_00: That's going to be German athlete Rosanna Buchauer.
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SPEAKER_00: Dina Fit athlete.
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SPEAKER_00: She was 11th place, I want to say, in OCC.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she was 11th place.
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SPEAKER_00: She did a race in 2023 Worlds and got 5th,
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and she helped Germany get that silver team medal along with
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Katarina Hartmuth and
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SPEAKER_00: Sophia Hegman.
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SPEAKER_00: So far this year, she got that 11th at OCC and Dina Fit at Western.
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I think this course suits her strengths and she's one of those
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people that really
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SPEAKER_00: likes to come out super slow,
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SPEAKER_00: super conservative and race from behind.
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And there's a lot of big,
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there's that big descent that I talked about at the end,
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big climb.
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I see her kind of being way,
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way back in the beginning and then just moving up.
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SPEAKER_00: We saw her do that CCC last year.
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SPEAKER_00: It got her all the way up to third place and got her a golden ticket.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think she was like 35th female or 30th female in the first climb.
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SPEAKER_00: So expect her not to look super great in the standings early on.
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SPEAKER_00: I expect her to make a lot of her moves in the back half.
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SPEAKER_00: She's really good at grinding.
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SPEAKER_00: She uses poles.
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SPEAKER_00: She's good at that technical type stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Next on the list is Allison Bacca from the States.
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She is coming off of a six in,
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excuse me,
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she had a six in the 2023 world.
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SPEAKER_00: So she'd be looking to be a top scorer for the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: again.
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SPEAKER_00: She was up there with Emily Schmitz in six and seven.
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SPEAKER_00: And...
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SPEAKER_00: So far this year, she's got a win and a course record.
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SPEAKER_00: Very speedy.
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SPEAKER_00: Deserets, 50K.
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SPEAKER_00: The DNF at the Valderan, 32K.
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SPEAKER_00: And then she raced CCC to 10th place.
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That's going to be my big question with her that has me a
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little bit hesitant is,
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SPEAKER_00: is CCC too much in her legs?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm optimistic because of her previous results at Worlds.
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SPEAKER_00: But I'm also like, it's kind of a lot to double back.
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SPEAKER_00: And I kind of think some other people might do it a little bit better.
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than her so um that's my big question there is how are her legs
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doing post worlds
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um or excuse me post ccc so that's awesome back because she's a
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hoka trail athlete
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and then next on this is another hoka trail athlete also from
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the u.s but not
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racing for she's not originally from the u.s she's from germany
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but she lives in
36:38
the u.s now and that is lottie brinks who's racing under
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charlotta brinks uh and
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She is Boise homie,
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super awesome human being,
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very generous,
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very kind,
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very giving.
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SPEAKER_00: She has an awesome dog who's adorable.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah, and I'll just be rooting for her.
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I'm definitely biased because she's a super awesome human being
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who's super
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SPEAKER_00: involved in the Boise trail community.
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SPEAKER_00: And every time I see her, she's got a smile on her face.
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SPEAKER_00: So she's coming off a six at CCC, but that doesn't do her justice.
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She took over an hour off her time,
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I think like hour 15 from last year's time.
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SPEAKER_00: Only big question there is,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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is this too close or does she repeat a stellar performance and
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pick up the slack of
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SPEAKER_00: not having Katarina racing this year for the German team?
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SPEAKER_00: And I think it's probably the latter.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: there's a growth positive things,
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SPEAKER_00: but I think she can have a good day out here and she'll do well.
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So other athletes to watch Katarina Dombraska,
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Polish athlete,
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has a top 10 at
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SPEAKER_00: UTMB from two years ago,
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SPEAKER_00: and I think she just DNFed UTMB as well,
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SPEAKER_00: but I could work in her favor.
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more names on the list two french women coming up back to back
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actually three
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french women in a way marion de la spier or de la spier she's
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returning 2023 long
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trail gold medalist over multiple racers here we haven't seen
37:56
her race as much
37:57
recently uh but she has good results you'll see it seems to me
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like you see a lot
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of people kind of in her and benjamin rubal camp who really
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just come out and race
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SPEAKER_00: really well for these team races um
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and so she also did race in 2022 worlds in the long trail and
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she got seventh place
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uh so she does well racing under the french team jersey so far
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this year a lot of
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racing in france and ones that i've never even heard of uh only
38:27
one i see that's
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out there is lavarado ultra trail 80k she got third place and
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she was behind anna
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SPEAKER_00: tarasova and engville so uh
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Let's see how far she was behind Anna Saraso by about 20
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minutes in a nine-hour race.
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SPEAKER_00: And Anna Saraso has had an awesome year so far this year.
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SPEAKER_00: Tough to say,
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SPEAKER_00: tough to say,
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SPEAKER_00: but I think that she'll probably be in pretty good shape for this race.
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SPEAKER_00: Next on the French list is going to be Anne-Louise Rousset.
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uh first came across my radar when she got second place to
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courtney at hard rock
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the year of the courtney slam she dnf the french long trail
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championship this year
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SPEAKER_00: after leading for most of it and uh hillary jrardy went on to win she won
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transvolkania this year uh second at madeira island ultra trail
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last year and she
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has world's experience uh the iron for article says that this
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is her last year as a
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professional runner so expect her to go out with a bang and
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while i say that too uh
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SPEAKER_00: Caveat,
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there's two really good I run for articles that I'm going to
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link in this Substack
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SPEAKER_00: post.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's two of their long trail previews.
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SPEAKER_00: And some of the stuff that I'm mentioning comes from there.
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SPEAKER_00: And I also use that just to look and see if I was missing any names.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'd highly recommend checking that out.
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SPEAKER_00: Megan Hicks posted one.
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SPEAKER_00: And the other one, I think, was Esther or Ani.
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SPEAKER_00: So check those out.
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I'll link them in the Substack post or the show notes,
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whatever you want to call it.
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SPEAKER_00: so that you guys can check that out if you would like to.
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SPEAKER_00: A couple more names.
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SPEAKER_00: So I mentioned another French one.
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SPEAKER_00: So this is another racer who is from the US, but is racing for France.
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They recently just got their French citizenship after living
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there,
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I think,
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12 years.
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SPEAKER_00: Hilary Girardi.
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SPEAKER_00: She is a former Mont Blanc FKT holder until just this year.
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She's one of my favorite mountain athletes for both Scarpa and
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Black Diamond.
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She just did a podcast on the Single Track Pod with Finn
40:26
Melanson and talked about
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SPEAKER_00: her life abroad.
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SPEAKER_00: She's one of those athletes who's really just kind of an artist.
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SPEAKER_00: She does really thoughtful projects and is a really good storyteller.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: And I just admire her a lot.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: So I'll definitely be rooting for her.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: I think it's cool that she's racing for France.
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SPEAKER_00: She did win the French long trail championship too.
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SPEAKER_00: So well-deserved.
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SPEAKER_00: She's super good at technical and longer races.
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SPEAKER_00: Races a lot of the Skyrunning World Series events,
40:48
SPEAKER_00: but more of the longer ones that aren't just up and down,
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but that have a lot of climbing and ascending and are more like
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marathons or 50Ks.
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SPEAKER_00: We saw her last year win Trophy Akima for her second time.
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And she's also won other technical races like Ho Koenig and
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Montblanc 90K.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she's a really strong pick for the top 10.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't see her racing outside of the top 10.
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SPEAKER_00: I also don't see her going out too hard and not finishing.
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She races very well within herself and finishes pretty much
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every race she runs.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm feeling pretty bullish on Hilary Girardi.
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SPEAKER_00: And then...
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SPEAKER_00: Next name, U.S.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: runner Claire Rhodes.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she's probably the USA's third point scorer.
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SPEAKER_00: I was going to say behind Jen Lichter.
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SPEAKER_00: But now that might even make her the second point scorer.
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SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, she's Alaskan runner for the North Face.
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She's racing as well as her partner Tracen Knopp,
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who we talked about a little bit earlier.
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She's great on technical courses as proven by her course record
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at run the rut last year.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she was about 15 minutes below Jen Richter's course record,
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SPEAKER_00: which to be fair,
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SPEAKER_00: Jen Richter had never really been pushed at the rut.
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SPEAKER_00: She's never had a close race there.
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SPEAKER_00: but still very impressive.
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SPEAKER_00: Claire raced Worlds in 2023 to a 21st place in the short trail.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure she's looking to improve on that placing.
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My only hesitation is she doesn't have a ton of international
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racing experience.
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SPEAKER_00: She had a DNF at OCC last year and a fourth place at Agra 51K this year,
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SPEAKER_00: which I know she was disappointed with.
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SPEAKER_00: So she'll definitely be looking to improve on that.
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And then a few other names worth mentioning,
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Martina Valmassoi from Italy.
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SPEAKER_00: She is a returning...
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SPEAKER_00: Let me double check.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she meddled last time.
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SPEAKER_00: But before I say that, she was just off the medal.
42:22
SPEAKER_00: So she got fourth place.
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SPEAKER_00: So she's a returning fourth place runner from 2023 Chiang Mai.
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SPEAKER_00: Kind of had a bit of an up and down year.
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SPEAKER_00: But she'll be looking to represent Italy.
42:34
SPEAKER_00: A couple other names worth mentioning.
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SPEAKER_00: Gemma Rinas for the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: Shea Aquilano.
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SPEAKER_00: And then also for the US, Emily Schmitz.
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SPEAKER_00: For Germany, Ida-Sophie Hegman and Eva Maria Sperger.
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SPEAKER_00: Katarina Wilk, former top 10 at CCC for Poland.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I think that's about everyone that I wanted to mention.
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SPEAKER_00: So with that being said, so when I'm looking at these women's team,
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SPEAKER_00: I'll probably have to do a swap route.
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SPEAKER_00: I had the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: in for, we're talking about country medals for team medals.
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SPEAKER_00: I had the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: as a pretty strong lock for gold with Katie and Jen,
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SPEAKER_00: Katie Shai,
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SPEAKER_00: Jen Lector,
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SPEAKER_00: and either Claire or Alison Bacca getting points.
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And now I'm thinking that I might be leaning a little bit more
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towards France for
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the gold between Marion de la Spierre and Louise Rousset and
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Hilary Chirardi.
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SPEAKER_00: It's tough to say because I'm,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm still want the U S I think I might hold out in the U S and say,
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SPEAKER_00: Katie,
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SPEAKER_00: Claire and Alison backup.
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SPEAKER_00: But then my picks are going to kind of contradict that.
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SPEAKER_00: Cause right now I think I've got three French women in the top 10.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I've only got two.
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SPEAKER_00: So, um, Oh no, I'm looking at my men's picks.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: Let me look at my women's picks.
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SPEAKER_00: I've got one, two, three French women.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, TBD on that one.
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My heart says USA,
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but my head is leaning towards France if Jen is not racing.
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So either way,
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I think those are going to be the top two teams,
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silver and gold.
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Third place,
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I think,
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is a strong bet that we get Lottie,
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that we get Germany.
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SPEAKER_00: So Lottie brings Rosanna Bukar,
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SPEAKER_00: and then we could also have Ava Marius Berger or Ida-Sophie Hegemann.
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SPEAKER_00: getting the point score.
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So they kind of got a little bit room for error if one of them
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doesn't have a good
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SPEAKER_00: day,
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SPEAKER_00: like Lottie bouncing back from CCC or Rosanna from OCC.
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SPEAKER_00: That is my team medals picks.
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SPEAKER_00: And then when we're looking at the top 10,
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if I'm going to have to go for a top 10 on the women's side of
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the long trail,
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SPEAKER_00: we're going to go 10 through one again.
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I'll go 10th place,
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Rosa,
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Maria,
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Laura,
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improving one spot on her 11th place.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she'll be anywhere from 7th to 10th in my mind.
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SPEAKER_00: She's more of a short trail specialist,
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but given her experience of the previous worlds and wanting to
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race longer,
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SPEAKER_00: I think she'll still have a good race out here.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think her OCC was a good tune-up.
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SPEAKER_00: Ninth place, I've got Charlotte Brinks, aka Lottie Brinks.
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SPEAKER_00: I think CCC will still be in her legs to some extent,
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SPEAKER_00: so I have a little bit of hesitation for that.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was kind of on the fence for picking her.
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SPEAKER_00: My heart says yes,
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SPEAKER_00: but my head says pick somebody who hasn't raced as recently,
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SPEAKER_00: like Fabiola Conti or maybe even Jasmine Louther.
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SPEAKER_00: But right now,
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SPEAKER_00: My heart is winning.
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SPEAKER_00: So Lottie Brinks in ninth, eighth place.
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SPEAKER_00: In seventh place, I got two French athletes.
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SPEAKER_00: I've got Anne-Louise Rousset.
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SPEAKER_00: She's raced Worlds.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a long trail crusher.
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SPEAKER_00: This is supposed to be her last year as a pro racer.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think she'll try to go out with a bang.
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And these French racers really kind of get it right because
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they really prioritize it.
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Seventh place,
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I've got the women's long trail champion from France,
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Hilary Girardi,
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U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: athlete.
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SPEAKER_00: Just recently got French citizenship as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Sixth place, I've got Sylvia Nordskar.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my big question mark, too, is CCC.
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SPEAKER_00: She just had a killer performance.
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SPEAKER_00: Am I expecting too much of her?
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SPEAKER_00: I think she really has the possibility to medal here, but I just don't.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just really hesitant with that CCC double.
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So it's possible that I drop her out as well just because I'm
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nervous with people
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SPEAKER_00: that have run CCC.
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SPEAKER_00: Fifth place,
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SPEAKER_00: I got Rosanna Buchauer,
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SPEAKER_00: so that would put her in the exact same place that she got last time,
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SPEAKER_00: which was fifth place at World.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that she'll race a smart race.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she'll do well as the race goes later on,
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SPEAKER_00: and I think she'll just kind of pick off people as she goes.
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Fourth place,
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I got Esther Chilag,
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bouncing back from her DNF at Western States.
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SPEAKER_00: We haven't seen her run.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't see anything on her UTMB index since Western.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think she'll be coming in fresh.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she'll be coming in focused.
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And I think that she'll be wanting to represent her nation in
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Hungary very well.
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Third place,
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I've got reigning world long trail champion Marion Delespierre.
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SPEAKER_00: Same reasons that I talked about.
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I think the French runners really peak well here and are going
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to run super well.
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SPEAKER_00: Second place, I got Eden Nelson.
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SPEAKER_00: I told you I'm pretty bullish.
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SPEAKER_00: She hasn't raced since Western.
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SPEAKER_00: I was really impressed with Western,
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SPEAKER_00: or she has raced since Western,
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SPEAKER_00: hasn't really done a big effort since Western.
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SPEAKER_00: I think she's going to time this well.
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I think she's going to peak at the right time,
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and I think she's ready to go.
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SPEAKER_00: First place, call me predictable, whatever, Katie Scheid.
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SPEAKER_00: So I've got Katie and Jim winning.
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SPEAKER_00: And then when I'm looking at the women's,
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SPEAKER_00: if there's anyone I think I'm leaving out,
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SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm liable to swap out anyone that raced CCC,
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SPEAKER_00: aka Lottie Brinks,
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SPEAKER_00: Sylvia Nordskar,
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out for somebody who feels a little fresher or who maybe have a
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little less fatigue
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SPEAKER_00: in their legs.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Fabiola Conti is a good pick.
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student maya buda could easily sneak in there jasmine luther is
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also a very strong
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pick and then i could easily see alison baka being in that top
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10 as well along
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with one polish female here katerina dobrowska or katerina wilk
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and then also
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claire roads too i think is a very really strong pick so that
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is my women's preview
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SPEAKER_00: for today
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SPEAKER_00: So with that being said, let me know what you think I got right.
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SPEAKER_00: Let me know what you think I got wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's going to wrap up our long Trail Worlds preview.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope you enjoyed.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you want to get other content or if you haven't seen it yet,
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SPEAKER_00: go check out the short trail preview I did on Steep Stuff podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for listening and better late than never.