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Kerry Damiano on Pageantry, Passion, and the Ms. World Traveler Journey · The Scene Projects

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  Welcome in to another exciting episode of Real Biz.
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  I am your host, Bubba Starts, and with me today is founder of Ms.
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  World Traveler, Carrie Damiano.
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  Carrie, welcome to the show.
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  I'm so excited to be here, Bubba.
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  I'm excited to have you.
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  I I commented early on that you're, you're you showed up looking exactly like your headshot,
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  and I'm not quite used to that.
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  But, you absolutely lovely, and and we're gonna have a great conversation today.
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  So looking forward to that.
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  Before we get into all the things that you're doing now, I just wanna give you an
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  opportunity.
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  Give us a little bit of your backstory, and we'll pick the conversation up from there.
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  Okay.
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  Great.
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  Well, I have been in the pageant industry for over four decades, so that's sort of where the
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  banner, the whole hair, makeup, all of that comes from.
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  So, you know, I'm kinda surprised you're surprised I would show up like this.
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  I hope you weren't expecting sweats.
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  I don't own any sweats.
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  Anyway, I'm excited to be here and tell you a little bit more about my story.
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  How Miss World Traveler came about.
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  I've been to see, it's a 146 countries now.
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  So, been around the world a time or two, and I love to share that with my visitors and
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  followers and, inspire women to travel.
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  Incredible.
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  Well and we talked a little bit about, my relationship with missus South Dakota
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  International, Charlotte Roop, and, you know, following her journey over the course of last
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  year, not just winning the South Dakota competition, but then going on to the
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  international and seeing what it was really about and what it meant to, all of the the
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  women that were part of that pageant and just a whole a whole different world that I got a
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  small peek into, but a very interesting place.
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  And one thing that was common, across the board with these women was the impact that they were
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  able to have on their communities, not just at the international and national level, but at
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  their local communities.
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  Obviously, Charlotte is the founder of Operation Combating Veteran Suicide, and that
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  kinda became her platform for doing that.
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  But what, you know, what does it mean for someone in the pageant industry?
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  What what is it that drives some of these women to keep showing up?
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  I mean, some of these people do this.
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  I I even though it's not maybe making a living that they do it, you know, for you know, it's
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  it's a twelve month ordeal every year.
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  It And and many of them are in it for years and years and years, and they move from around to
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  different systems, some with the same with the same system.
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  So, you know, it's it's a sisterhood.
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  That's probably the main thing that draws women to it.
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  It's a sisterhood.
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  You know, we talk a lot about brotherhood through sports or through military service or
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  whatever, but this is a sisterhood.
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  And so once you are on the inside and you understand what it's like to be out on stage
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  and the lights and you know, you do it even when your knees are knocking and you're so
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  nervous you can hardly speak, but you do it.
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  You're there that develops a bond.
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  And and so the sisterhood is one of the things that draws women to it.
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  The thing is having a voice.
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  Just like your friend, Charlotte, you were just talking about, she has a voice in her
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  community.
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  And and that's important to a lot of people, and that's why they wanna get involved.
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  It just gives them, one, the motivation, and two, more opportunities, more doors open if you
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  have a title.
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  So but I think that those are the two things that really draw women into pageantry as well
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  as wanting to improve their skills, their speaking skills, their presentation skills,
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  those kinds of things.
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  Yeah.
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  And as someone who realized the value in, community, by joining the Midwest Country Music
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  Organization, I always also realized over the last year as being the content creator of the
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  year, what a title can do for you.
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  You know, being able to introduce myself, hi.
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  I'm Bubba Starts.
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  I have an award winning podcast, has utterly changed my life.
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  So I can only imagine for some of these women who have wanted to, you know, impact their
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  communities and were in so many ways that more doors open when you have a crown and a sash,
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  for whatever reason.
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  Right?
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  Right.
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  Who knows why, but it just does.
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  That little bit of, you know, the I I call it juice in my business.
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  Right?
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  That that you have.
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  Right?
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  Well, that that people feel somebody else said you were worthy.
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  Right?
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  Judges.
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  Or for me, it was the members of my community that I had been serving that voted for me, in
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  the award show last year that it it's you know, somebody else said that you're worth it, and
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  then that means so much more to the outward world.
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  I mean, the the award to me personally, because it was voted on by our members, means a lot to
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  me in that personal way, but the the the award on the mantle doesn't really mean anything.
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  Also, unless you use it and you're out there
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  That's right.
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  That and putting that out there.
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  Yes.
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  You know, it's it's that sense of feeling worthy, but also that you've been seen, that
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  you're not just toiling in anonymity.
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  People see what you're doing, and it's recognized.
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  And there there's an internal motivation from that as well as I think people wanting to, you
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  know, grab onto the cocktails of success.
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  You say, well, somebody else thinks that is good, so it is good, and therefore, I should be
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  part of it.
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  I use that phrase all the time, toiling in anonymity.
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  And I just, I I don't I most of it right?
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  The quiet desperation that that people live in.
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  And, you know, for me, two years ago, Carrie, I was a welder in a factory and and fully living
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  in that.
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  I had always been a performer, a songwriter, spent, you know, twenty five years on stage
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  playing music on the weekends, but it it wasn't enough.
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  I wanted my life to leave more of an impact and leave a legacy for my children and my
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  children's children and and not to just kind of you know, I saw it.
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  I saw a lot of guys around me that were twice my age, still working, and their bodies were
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  broken.
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  I was just like, I can't I can't do this.
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  I don't see myself here in twenty five years, right, doing praying for retirement.
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  Like, that's not going to be me.
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  And if I'm and if I'm going to change it, I need to change it now while I still have a body
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  and an able mind and I now have a significant injuries, you know, knock on wood, that that
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  were in, you know, inhibiting me from doing that because I also, like you, have a passion
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  for travel.
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  And now I'm able to bring that passion and my passion for independent music and conversations
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  now, altogether into one thing and to do that.
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  So were you a
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  It's your keyword.
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  Your keyword there is tension.
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  You know, we we talk a lot about that.
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  That if you are doing what you are passionate about, it's not really work.
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  Even though it is work and you work hard at it, it's you it comes from within, and so the
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  motivation is there.
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  The reward is internal.
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  You know, you're you're living your dream, and I'm so happy to hear that you left what you
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  were doing to live your dream.
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  Yep.
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  I mean, isn't that the goal of life?
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  Right?
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  Life is life is too short to do something that you don't like.
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  You know?
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  I mean, obviously, we have to provide for our families and and that sort of thing.
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  So that has to be an ish you know, factor, but it doesn't have to be the whole thing.
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  And so I love that you have followed your passion.
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  Right.
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  Well and we talked a little bit off camera about not necessarily being money money
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  motivated, but being impact motivated.
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  Right?
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  Impact driven to do what we're doing, and I just, I can't imagine living a different life
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  at this point.
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  And now we're very fortunate that we have built a platform that has achieved those certain
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  level of, you know, numbers and outward appearance that people are now gravitating to
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  that are willing to invest in us and to invest in it, whether it's advertising or sponsorship
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  or, you know, what whatever avenue it is or helping them to do that, a mentorship role that
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  we're kind of finding ourselves in that we're really grateful to to have spent the time
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  necessary to build that platform.
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  Because I think a lot of people do quit, and a lot of people would have quit in our situation.
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  You know?
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  Essentially, taking two years
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  jump to the top.
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  Right.
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  Right?
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  Exactly.
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  You have to build, and it takes a while.
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  Yeah.
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  Well and for me, I knew that to build it, that the timing was right because of the changing
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  media landscape that if we wanted to do this, it wasn't gonna be a slow roll.
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  The time for the slow roll would have been ten years ago, getting into podcasting and being
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  able to, you know, baby step there.
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  I knew I needed to invest these sixty, seventy hours a week that you were you know, you talked
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  about with with your job, you know, at a minimum, I'm working seventy hours a week.
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  Right?
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  That it's it's seven days a week behind the computer and doing this, and I really have to
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  focus on, like, making sure that I'm taking the time away from working and kinda being on to
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  spend time with the family and invest in them as well because this doesn't just happen happen
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  for you.
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  Nobody's coming to save you
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  Right.
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  And to give it to you.
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  You have to go build it.
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  Yeah.
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  And and once you've left your, you know, your steady paycheck, there's no safety net.
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  So it's all on your own back.
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  And, you know, harder the work, the more successful you can become, but based on your
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  own heart.
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  Yes.
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  So, obviously, you have a passion for traveling.
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  Was that early on, or was this something that as you were kind of, you know, in in your
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  traveling day, obviously, with the pageants, I I know there's a vast amount of travel involved
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  in that as well.
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  Is it something that you inherited through the work of the pageant, or is it something that
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  you've kind of always had inside of you?
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  Well, inherited is the right word, but not from pageants, from my mom.
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  My mom had a great wanderlust because her mother had a wanderlust, and she wasn't afraid
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  to just, you know, load her kids up in the car and take them anywhere.
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  And so my mom grew up with that, and she did the same for us, my brother and sister and me.
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  So we were very used to road trips and, you know, going here and there.
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  And then as a college graduation present, my mom took me on my first international trip.
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  And from that point, I was addicted.
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  So that's kinda where it really started my great love of travel even though I had been
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  doing it on a on a smaller basis for years before that.
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  And so my mom and I traveled together for about ten years, and then I really started wanting
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  to, you know, push the boundaries of wanting to do it by myself and travel by myself.
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  And so now I'm a huge proponent of solo travel, especially for women.
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  Because, you know, we we get this, well, you know, wanna be lonely or, you know, I don't
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  know that I can afford it or, you know, I I I don't know that I can figure it out.
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  And so we end up having all of these fears about doing it by ourselves.
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  But once you can conquer your fear, just like with anything in life, if you can conquer
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  conquer your fear on something, it gives you confidence.
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  And once you have confidence in one thing, you tend to have confidence in other things.
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  So it's just a like a vehicle to to become more confident in life by using travel as that
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  stepping stone.
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  I no different than the pageants are.
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  Right?
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  That they're a a way to build skills.
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  And, yeah, it's kinda cool the parallels between the two between the two things.
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  Right?
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  That is exactly what they are are are confidence builders.
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  And for me, I was very fortunate to have performance.
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  Right?
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  Like, I wasn't the performer I am today when I took the stage for my first time at 13, 14
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  years old.
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  Right?
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  Right.
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  It took a lot of time and effort and practice and, you know, watching watching back and
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  reflecting on on choices made.
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  And, you know, I think for a lot of female travelers that it's maybe the safety concerns
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  that that scare them the most from that.
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  And, you know, do what do you do?
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  And I know you have the TV show and you have a lot of these things, you know, that you're
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  sharing in education.
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  At what point did that kind of become your focus to not just do the traveling on your own,
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  but to teach others how to do that?
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  Was there a point where it just clicked, or has it always been something that you've kinda just
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  just done?
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  You seem like you're such an educator naturally to, mentor that I I feel like you kinda came
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  out of the womb this way, but maybe it wasn't that.
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  Well, that's a good point, but it was a little more channeled toward pageantry.
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  So I've been coaching for almost twenty five years and judging.
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  So that sort of, mentoring and and that sowing into the lives of other young women, that has
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  been going on for a long time.
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  The whole travel thing, BizWorld Traveler came to be in 2022, so not that long ago.
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  But I've been traveling since 1984 was my first overseas trip.
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  So I've been doing it a long time, and it it was almost like I knew something big was
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  coming.
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  And I didn't know what it was.
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  And I prayed about it, and I'm like, okay.
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  You know, is this is this the the new big thing?
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  And I always got sort of the answer of no.
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  This is what you should be doing right now.
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  And so I continued on.
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  And finally, in 2022, it was kind of like the scales were removed off my eyes, and I could
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  see what Ms.
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  World Traveler was supposed to be.
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  Just laid out exactly what it was supposed to be.
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  And I realized that the last twenty plus years had all been for what Ms.
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  World Traveler was going to be.
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  Technology had to be in the right place.
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  You talked about that.
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  Money had to be in the right place.
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  My experience level had to be in the right place.
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  You know, all of these things had to sort of work together, get all the pieces in place
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  first before Ms.
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  World Traveler could happen.
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  So here we are, and now I can talk about a lifetime of experience.
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  It's a little harder to talk about your lifetime of experience when you're young,
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  because you don't have enough of a lifetime yet.
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  So now in my sixties, I can look back and I have all of these stories from my travels that
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  I can pass on to help educate other people.
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  Just incredible.
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  And, yes, the brand is so just fully fledged, and I don't think that you're able to get there
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  if this is something that you're kinda piecing together over time.
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  Like you said, you kinda had the entire vision for what it was going to be in the future and
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  the time, and it took that.
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  And I feel that, like, the last twenty years of my life have all been preparation for the time
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  that I'm in now and to have that available.
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  I'm gonna put some, I'm gonna put some questions on you.
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  I'm gonna put you on the spot a little bit.
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  Favorite place to visit.
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  A 146 countries.
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  Let's just narrow down.
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  Favorite country to visit?
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  Oh, I have different favorites for different reasons.
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  Like, place to go shopping would be Paris.
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  Favorite sort of old home feel, London, which I'm leaving next week for London.
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  And the reason I say that is I lived in London after college and went to graduate school
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  there.
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  So that you know, there's a little bit of an old home feel for me for that.
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  And then I'm actually gonna be a a month in Australia in March, and I would say Australia
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  and New Zealand are tied for me for friendliness of the people.
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  Incredible.
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  I have done a little international traveling.
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  I actually lived, in Mexico, for a year.
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  Me too.
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  Yeah.
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  Not in, like, resort Mexico.
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  We were very, like, off the beaten path.
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  They didn't see a a lot of Caucasian people where we were, especially
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  It's quite an education,
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  isn't it?
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  Well and then not a lot of people spoke English either.
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  So we really had to and not having brushed up, I would kinda went down there in a in a
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  emergency, kinda static.
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  Yeah.
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  So it wasn't necessarily like, oh, you're thinking it.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's the way to learn, right, when you just truly get immersed.
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  It was an experience, and we have some of our just people who absolutely are near and dear to
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  my heart.
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  But I actually, you know, kind of fed the family playing music in the Central because
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  there was nobody like me doing that.
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  So you talk about, you know, standing out, you know, the this white man down performing,
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  singing, you know, American songs, you know, popular American songs at the top of his lungs
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  in the Central on a Saturday and Sunday was was quite the scene.
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  And, it's really it kinda resparked the love of music in me because at the time leading up to
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  that, I wasn't necessarily making great choices in my life.
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  And I wasn't, I wasn't doing what I was put here to do.
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  Right?
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  So it was an amazing time of my life.
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  I hope to do a lot more international traveling.
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  I've visited a lot of the country, and similar to you, that my parents took us on trips all
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  the time.
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  You know, I remember vividly all the trips we took.
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  What we grew up in Chicago until I was about 10.
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  Both my parents from the South Suburbs.
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  So we would take trips to the East Coast when I was younger, did the Eastern Seaboard, you
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  know, both north and kinda south.
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  My dad went to school in Tennessee, so we took a yearly trip down to, you know, the Blue Ridge
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  Mountains and and visited there.
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  And the furthest west we had made it, we'd gone out to Washington one time, but we moved to
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  South Dakota when I was a kid and lived there.
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  So a lot of trips, you know, west from that point and going, you know, into the Tetons and
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  the mountains.
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  And most of our vacations were in that.
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  In my twenties, I started you know, I I read Jack Kerouac's on the road at 18 years old.
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  I was like, wait a minute.
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  Wait a minute.
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  Like, I can either sit in this college in freezing cold South Dakota or I can just, like,
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  throw my guitar on my back, stick a thumb out, and go tour the West Coast.
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  Now granted, nineteen fifties, sixties, America looked a lot different than, you know, the late
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  odds, but it it was still that the courage that it gave me to, like, oh, I can just, like I can
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  go do that.
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  And then you get out and you build that confidence where you're like, no.
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  I don't even need a car.
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  I didn't have a car the entire time I was out there.
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  And I literally went to the place I wanted to.
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  I'm probably braver than I should be, Carrie, to be perfectly honest.
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  I I think it's gotten me into a little bit of, you know, trouble, probably put me in some
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  precarious situations.
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  But also why I'm so confident in, you know, I'm planning a national tour right now where I'm
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  not just taking myself out, but I'm taking out these other bands and these other people and to
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  say, look.
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  We're gonna be okay.
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  Right?
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  Like, I promise you.
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  I've done this before.
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  You know?
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  And if I can go around the country in my suburban driving, sleeping in rest areas, and
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  traveling in that fashion, then I think if we have the security of a tour bus, we're gonna be
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  alright.
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  So it's really built.
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  And now for me, I think this is the next twenty years of my life.
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  Right?
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  It's taking out
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  That sounds super exciting.
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  I I need it.
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  I need that excitement because I live in a tiny little town in the middle of South Dakota, and
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  most of my life can be very, you know, just kinda mundane.
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  Right?
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  And we love our small town.
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  I don't want to live anywhere else.
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  I've lived in major metro areas.
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  I absolutely despise it, but I like to visit them.
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  Right?
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  I like to Yes.
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  Go I I like to go and visit for a few days at a time.
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  And, you know, once I get stuck in traffic once, I'm pretty much like, alright.
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  I'm over it.
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  You know?
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  So but I love helping the transit.
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  What you were talking about, you know, being from a small town and then you go out and you
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  see you know, that's very much what Ms.
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  World Traveler does.
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  I am not a digital nomad.
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  I'm not living abroad.
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  I have a home.
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  I have responsibilities.
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  I have my church.
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  I have my friends and family.
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  You know, I I want to have a home base.
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  I love to go out and have the adventure and then come back to my home base and refresh, you
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  know, reenergize, you know, take care of responsibilities, and then I'm ready to go back
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  out again.
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  So I get totally what you're talking about, that that adventure, there's a time and a place
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  for it, but then you also need that sense of, let me fill my tank back up.
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  You know, let let me get back center recenter myself, and then I'm ready to go again.
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  Right.
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  Well, because it's necessary.
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  You people I don't know you know, people who haven't traveled, which my wife and her family
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  are very like, they vacation.
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  They drive 30 miles down the road to the river, and, like, that's their vacation.
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  Right?
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  Mom and dad haven't really they, you know, they still talk about the one trip they've ever
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  really taken, you know, on a plane going to Vegas in in the nineties sometime.
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  Right?
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  And I'm like, you could travel a little bit more than that.
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  Right?
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  Take a little bit of a vacation.
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  It's okay.
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  But they they're farmers.
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  Right?
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  Dad has a farm and has responsibilities at home that that was just the rhythm of their life.
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  But but now that they're kinda getting towards the end and dad's a little bit older, suffered
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  a major injury last year as well that I think kinda flashed, you know, before his eyes that
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  he's not the young man that he used to be, and they're definitely towards, you know, the end
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  of that, you know, that hourglass than at the beginning that the time is now to if if you
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  wanna go do things, you're you have, like, the next five to ten years before you're too old to
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  do any of it.
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  Right?
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  So get out and enjoy life
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  a little bit.
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  Time is precious now.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, yeah, he broke his leg really bad, I mean, to the point where we thought, you know,
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  amputation was on the table at one point.
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  Now fully healed and kinda back to it, but realizing that you're not gonna be bouncing
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  around like you did for the last thirty years running this farm and doing all those things.
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  Right?
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  Like, it's okay to slow down.
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  It's okay to, you know, take a vacation and and get out and go go spend a week somewhere else
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  out of the state.
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  Like, we can feed the dog.
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  You don't have you know?
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  We can take care of a few animals, and not everything has to be done right now.
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  So I hope that I'm able to start to provide a a little bit of that in our own way.
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  Right?
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  That we can grow in our business and to provide that.
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  You know, one thing that set me away from the job that I was working too was that was kinda
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  I'm always gonna be capped by that income.
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  I was never there was no getting above what I was making, and what I was making Right.
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  Was barely enough to give me the life that I wanted to live.
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  I couldn't afford three, four major vacations a year like I want to do.
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  So I had to find, you know, a way to not just make that money, but to build my world around
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  doing that so that those, you know, the things that I like to do are almost paid for by the
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  business that I don't need to go spend the money that I'm making to do that.
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  And I feel like you kind of encapsulate that a little bit as well that you've built this brand
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  around the thing that you love to do.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  And, you know, it's it's not a moneymaker, but it's a it fills my heart, fills my soul, feeds
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  my spirit.
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  And those things are so valuable that it doesn't really matter.
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  You know, I I worked.
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  I saved.
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  You know, I have a nest egg, so I'm okay.
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  And now I can take the time to do something that I love to do that, again, just feeds my
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  soul.
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  Well and you see that light.
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  Right?
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  Like, you see your that a a lot of people, you know, that are in the the you know, I don't
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  wanna say the twilight of their lives, but are further closer to the end than to the
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  beginning.
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  Right, that they don't have this light that you have.
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  And would you say that, you know, doing something that you love, I mean, it has to feel
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  like it's extending your life beyond maybe what it would have been had you just stayed
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  committed by just making money and and doing that.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  You know, when I was a young girl, I used to picture when people were retired that they
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  would sit on a porch in a rocking chair and, you know, and, like, look, you know, look like
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  95 years old.
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  Well, people to retire at 65.
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  You know?
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  There's a lot of life left.
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  So that picture that I had was was really quite ridiculous.
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  You know, I I'm very near retirement age, and I wake up energized every day, love what I do.
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  Retirement is nowhere near in my future.
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  I'm gonna do it until my body gives out or I just have to slow down or, you know, whatever
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  it is.
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  But I love it so much that I think that's what keeps people young.
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  You know, the the for lessons, the joy of life
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  that Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  That that spice of life that keeps us going.
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  And, yeah, you give me so much motivation to keep doing exactly what I'm doing because I do
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  I get a lot of people that comment on me, you know, when I mentioned I'm almost further.
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  Like, I did not assume that about you.
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  Like, you still have so much to to so much energy all the time.
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  And it's like, well, because I'm very passionate about what I do every day.
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  You know?
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  And I could see that I wasn't I I've always been this inside, but outwardly, I wasn't this
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  even two, three years ago just kind of stuck in this factory not really seeing not seeing a
• 25:38
  future that I really wanted to be a part of.
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  And now everything has changed so drastically, and you give me so much more courage to keep
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  doing what we're doing to chase that because the same as you.
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  I don't like you know, I didn't I didn't start working until I was in my thirties, so I don't
• 25:53
  have a retirement nest egg to lean on anyway.
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  So I'm if I'm gonna be working till I'm 75 or 80 years old, then I might as well be doing
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  something that I enjoy doing.
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  Something that you love.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well Gives you joy, but also gives you energy.
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  Exactly.
• 26:07
  Well, Carrie, where can everybody find you and follow you and and find your channel and
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  everything?
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  Go ahead and plug it
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  love to have people come along for the for the ride.
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  So we're on YouTube.
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  News World Traveler is a it's a YouTube series, and we go all over the world.
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  And it's a little bit different than what other people are doing.
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  You know, we focus a little bit more on style, fashion, art, design, culture, history, that
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  sort of thing.
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  So there's not a lot of, you know, where should you eat, where should you stay, there's
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  thousands of people out there doing that.
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  So come along for the ride because you'll see something and hear something different, and
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  that's, at YouTube, Ms.
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  World Traveler, m s, Ms.
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  World Traveler.
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  We're also on Instagram, Kerry, Ms.
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  World Traveler.
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  That's k e r r y, Kerry, Ms.
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  World Traveler.
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  Girls up, Ms.
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  World Traveler.
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  Fantastic.
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  Well, Carrie, thank you so much for spending some time with me today.
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  This was a lovely conversation.
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  I will be following the YouTube channel because that sounds like some amazing content that I
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  would be, absolutely in love with watching on a regular basis.
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  So thank you for being part of the show today, and thank you for being part of the scene.
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  You're welcome.