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Dona Masi – The Taking · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited. Can an interest in UFO folklore and reports
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Speaker 1: of alien encounters inspire a novel. My guest this week
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Speaker 1: on Destination Unlimited, Donna Massey is an engaging and experienced
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Speaker 1: speaker with a wealth of alien contact and visitation research, examples, theories,
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Speaker 1: and her own experiences. Dona Massey is a writer and
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Speaker 1: editor her whose short fiction and articles are used in
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Speaker 1: reading and writing assignments throughout the United States. Her articles
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Speaker 1: about the arts, the environment, and current affairs have appeared
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Speaker 1: in Foster's Daily Democrat, the Seacoate Newspapers, and Portsmouth Press.
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Speaker 1: She's also a playwright, and two of her plays were
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Speaker 1: performed at the Provincetown Theater Company. Her website is Donnamassey
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Speaker 1: dot com, and she joins me this week to share
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Speaker 1: her new novel about alien abduction, The Taking. Please join
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Speaker 1: me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited. Donna Massey. Welcome, Donna.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm thrilled to be here.
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Speaker 1: Donna. Please share with our listeners your path and how
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Speaker 1: it led to your career as a writer and an editor.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've been a writer pretty much all of my life,
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Speaker 2: on writing stories when I was a kid and pursued
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Speaker 2: it as a hobby and also a vocation. I am
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Speaker 2: a writer and editor. My main job is as an
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Speaker 2: English language arts assessment developer for K through twelve, so
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Speaker 2: I write a lot of tests and passages and all
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Speaker 2: of perform all of the related tasks with that. I've
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Speaker 2: written fiction, I've written plays, so that's sort of my
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Speaker 2: path as a writer. It's been ongoing throughout my life.
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Speaker 2: And my book, The Taking, a novel about UFOs and
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Speaker 2: alien abductions, comes out of my lifelong interest in UFO
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Speaker 2: stories and reports of alien abductions, and it just seemed
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Speaker 2: like a natural Well by the time I started writing it,
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Speaker 2: it seemed like the timing was right and it was
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Speaker 2: just a natural thing for me to do because I've
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Speaker 2: always learned about the phenomenon, the UFO and alien abduction phenomenon,
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Speaker 2: always watched documentaries, read books about it, It's just something
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Speaker 2: I've explored as an avid enthusiast. And I even while
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Speaker 2: I was in grad school taking an anthropology class, I
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Speaker 2: wrote an ethnography about Ufo folklore and which was really interesting.
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Speaker 2: I learned a lot. I thought it was an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to do a real deep dive into the topic. And
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Speaker 2: it took a little convincing of my professor to let
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Speaker 2: me go ahead with the topic, but we had a
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Speaker 2: few conversations about it, and he said, Okay, go ahead,
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Speaker 2: run with it and see what you can make of it.
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Speaker 2: And so that gave me the opportunity to do even
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Speaker 2: more research into it, and some of the reading that
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Speaker 2: I did really did did inspire me to write the
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Speaker 2: story for the taking. I thought that, you know, what
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Speaker 2: I'd learned on my own and also in my research
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Speaker 2: for my course just made me think that it was
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Speaker 2: would be a really dramatic and emotional story to tell
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Speaker 2: about a person who is an alien abductee and some
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Speaker 2: of the emotional and psychological impact it would have on
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Speaker 2: that character. Because I I know that there are a
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Speaker 2: lot of nonfiction books about this, but to my knowledge,
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Speaker 2: there aren't that many that deal with fiction that are
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Speaker 2: fiction unless they're you know, hard science fiction or intergalactic
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Speaker 2: stories and such. So I wanted to look at the
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Speaker 2: impact on human beings and explore that in fiction.
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Speaker 1: So the question I'll have to ask, have you personally
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Speaker 1: had either UAP sightings or contact experiences?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 2: The best answer I can give to that is that
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Speaker 2: I'm not totally sure whether I do have a memory
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Speaker 2: of something that I could have maybe experienced, But I
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Speaker 2: cannot be sure because it was only one time, at
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Speaker 2: least as best as I can remember, and it was
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Speaker 2: a long time ago, when I was a small child.
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Speaker 2: I was only about seven years old. I think I
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Speaker 2: was in the second grade, and I if you want
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Speaker 2: me to go into a little detail about it, I'll
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Speaker 2: try to do it briefly. But it was at recess,
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Speaker 2: and I have a recollection of sitting on a swing
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Speaker 2: or a bench and I looked up in the sky
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Speaker 2: and there was a cylinder shaped object above me. It
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Speaker 2: didn't seem like it was all that far above me.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, it's hard to judge feet
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Speaker 2: maybe one hundred two hundred feet in the air, but
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Speaker 2: pretty close. It was sparkling in the sun. It looked
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Speaker 2: like a shiny metal object. The tips, the left and
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Speaker 2: right tips of it were stuck in two clouds, so
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Speaker 2: I couldn't see the ends of it. But it was
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Speaker 2: quite large. It looked like it had windows, and I
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Speaker 2: when I saw it, I said to myself, that looks
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Speaker 2: like a plane, but it doesn't have any wings. And
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Speaker 2: then the next thing I recall is that for some
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Speaker 2: reason I looked away from it, or there seemed to
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Speaker 2: be kind of a actually really it was like a
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Speaker 2: blimp blip in time. And then I after that occurred,
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Speaker 2: I looked back up and it was still there. But
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Speaker 2: I had this really strong fear. I was very scared,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I petrified, actually, and I took off
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Speaker 2: running and I ran back to school. And what was
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Speaker 2: odd was that there was nobody else in the playground
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Speaker 2: at this point. When I right before it took off
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Speaker 2: and started running back to school, I was all alone.
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Speaker 2: And I was thinking to myself that my teacher was
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Speaker 2: going to be angry because I wasn't in class. I
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Speaker 2: was late for class. I was concerned about that, and
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Speaker 2: I went in the classroom door and the class had
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Speaker 2: already resumed. The teacher was in front of the class.
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Speaker 2: The odd part was that the teacher didn't even seem
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Speaker 2: to pay any attention to me coming in late, or
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Speaker 2: notice or react at all, and neither did any of
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Speaker 2: the other kids, which I it struck me at the
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Speaker 2: time that that seemed pretty crazy that she wouldn't have
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Speaker 2: reacted in some way or said something. And I went
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Speaker 2: to my desk and I sat down in the chair.
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Speaker 2: It seemed to me that at that moment when I
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Speaker 2: sat down, I lost conscious memory of the experience. Another
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Speaker 2: thing that was odd about it is that it was
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Speaker 2: a day when I was my best friend at the
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Speaker 2: time and I were inseparable, and we were always together.
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Speaker 2: She was across the street neighbor, and we would have
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Speaker 2: been together on any other normal day at recess, but
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Speaker 2: I was all alone that day as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 2: And so that is the experience that I had. I
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Speaker 2: don't know whether it was real or not. I don't
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Speaker 2: know whether it was a dream or something I imagined.
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Speaker 2: At this point, I guess unless I went under hypnosis
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Speaker 2: or something to that effect, that there's really no way
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Speaker 2: to know. But it has stuck with me, and for
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Speaker 2: a long long time, i'd remember it, and then i'd
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Speaker 2: forget about it, and i'd remember it and I'd forget
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Speaker 2: about it. But the odd part about that is that
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Speaker 2: every time I did remember it, it was almost like
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Speaker 2: I had never thought of it before until when I
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Speaker 2: got to be an adult. At some point in time,
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Speaker 2: I remembered it and it never left my conscious memory.
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Speaker 2: So that was my experience. Now ever since then, I
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Speaker 2: look up at this guy, I often look, you know,
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Speaker 2: and would think I'd like to see one. But I,
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Speaker 2: as far as I know, that was my only experience.
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Speaker 2: But I think that it did probably generate some of
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Speaker 2: my interest in the topic.
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Speaker 1: And what you described is so profound that you actually
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Speaker 1: used that theme as one of the things themes in
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Speaker 1: your book an event that took place in your book,
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Speaker 1: which is fascinating to me that this was so moving
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Speaker 1: to you that you actually incorporated that into your book.
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Speaker 1: Where did you get some of the other story ideas
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Speaker 1: in the taking about UFOs and alien abductions, Well.
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Speaker 2: They definitely came from what I've learned about what experiences
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Speaker 2: go through. You know, the emotional stress that it can
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Speaker 2: cause does cause. I'm not saying that whoever it is
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Speaker 2: that is taking people away necessarily has wants to harm them.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean but I know that since
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Speaker 2: this is such a foreign experience to all of us,
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're all earthlinks, bound to Earth. We as
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Speaker 2: far as we know, there's nothing out there, or or
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Speaker 2: we believe that there is. But you know, most of
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Speaker 2: humanity isn't really thinking about that. We're so focused on
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Speaker 2: our life and our reality here on Earth. But I
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Speaker 2: was fascinated by what kind of impact that would have
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Speaker 2: an experiencer, particularly before they knew what was going on.
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Speaker 2: Was were there any subconscious effects of their experiences that
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Speaker 2: played a key role in their outlook, the perception of
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Speaker 2: the world themselves, And then once they do discover what's happening,
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Speaker 2: living with it, the uncertainty of not knowing when and
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Speaker 2: if it's going to happen to you again, having like
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Speaker 2: in the in the I'm sure you and understand this.
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Speaker 2: You know, people that won't believe you, can't believe you,
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Speaker 2: or maybe they do, but they're too frightened to let
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Speaker 2: you talk about it. And I just thought, well, what
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Speaker 2: an isolating experience that must be. And some of these
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Speaker 2: those particular themes in the book were definitely inspired by
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Speaker 2: some of the literature I read that was written by
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Speaker 2: doctor John Mack the Harvard psychiatrist who treated Oh Boy.
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Speaker 2: I think he treated about ninety patients for trauma from
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Speaker 2: paranormal experiences. I say paranormal because when they began their
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Speaker 2: work with him, they didn't know what was going on
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Speaker 2: with them. They described them as being paranormal experiences. They
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Speaker 2: didn't know that they were UFO abductions. That came out
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Speaker 2: very gradually after a long time of doctor mac and
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Speaker 2: these patients working together. And he started out as an
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Speaker 2: open minded skeptic interest in Eastern philosophy and such. But
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Speaker 2: by the time you know, he had worked with dozens
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Speaker 2: of patients, he really did come to believe that they
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Speaker 2: were having encounters with extraterrestrial aliens. And one of the
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Speaker 2: things that he tried to do in his therapy was
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Speaker 2: to help them find some coping mechanisms with it, and
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Speaker 2: to try to find for themselves a sense of purpose
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Speaker 2: for why this was happening to them, why they seemed
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Speaker 2: to be singled out for it. I mean, he had
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Speaker 2: to treat the trauma because it was so difficult for
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Speaker 2: them to get through their days and they were full
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Speaker 2: of fear. And so, just like we do with any experience,
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Speaker 2: try to make the best of it that we can
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Speaker 2: and get what we can out of it that is positive.
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Speaker 2: So I think that was really the core of his work,
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Speaker 2: and he made me think about what kind of effect
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Speaker 2: this would have on a person to be going through
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Speaker 2: these experiences.
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Speaker 1: Did you interview anyone else any other experiences features.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I did, especially when I wrote the ethnography from
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Speaker 2: the Anthropology class, I did interview experiences. Some of them
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Speaker 2: were people that I knew, and then when I started
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Speaker 2: talking about what I was writing about, they gave forward
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Speaker 2: and told me about their experiences. Some of them were
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Speaker 2: just people I met that I was introduced to because
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Speaker 2: I was writing this paper. I you know they I
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Speaker 2: was certainly fascinated by the stories they had to tell.
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Speaker 2: One person was, as far as I know, he hadn't
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Speaker 2: had any close encounters of the third kind, but he
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Speaker 2: had seen some very strange, strange things repeatedly throughout his life.
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Speaker 2: Big red discs in the sky UFOs that just seem
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Speaker 2: UAPs that when he was driving home would just be
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Speaker 2: above the trees and right there, and he would every
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Speaker 2: time he had an experience like this, he got the
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Speaker 2: distinct feeling that they were aware of him and that
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Speaker 2: they were there for him, or at least for him
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Speaker 2: to observe them. And he was also driving home one
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Speaker 2: night with his son, and they both saw something strange
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Speaker 2: as they were getting close to their house. There's a
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Speaker 2: big open field across the street, and they both saw
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Speaker 2: a you know, a big red object in the sky.
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Speaker 2: And he saw several different kinds of objects, the classic,
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Speaker 2: you know, saucer shape, cigar shape, big red balls, bright
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Speaker 2: angry looking balls in the sky, and he, you know,
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Speaker 2: he his reaction was, he didn't like it. He didn't
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Speaker 2: want it to ever happen again. He wished it never
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Speaker 2: had happen, and it freaked him out. And he didn't
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Speaker 2: want me to tell anybody about it, and of course
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Speaker 2: I didn't. I wrote about it anonymously, and then I
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Speaker 2: did meet a couple of people who said that they
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Speaker 2: were abductees. One I talked with Gee I think it
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Speaker 2: was the day after he felt that he had had
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Speaker 2: an abduction experience. And I didn't know him very well.
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Speaker 2: I didn't really know him at all. It was hard
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Speaker 2: for me to gauge whether he was telling the truth
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Speaker 2: about it or not. I tended to believe him, because
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Speaker 2: I do believe that this is really happening, but still
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Speaker 2: you mean he was very agitated and frightened by what
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Speaker 2: was happening to him, and this accorded him had happened
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Speaker 2: multiple times. So yes to both questions and researchers. I've
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Speaker 2: spoken to UFO researchers at length and heard about some
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Speaker 2: of the reports that they've investigated and some of their
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Speaker 2: own encounters too.
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Speaker 1: You have been a playwright in addition to writing your books.
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you were considering writing a screenplay based
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Speaker 1: on the Taking, because it's a really compelling story.
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Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about writing a screenplay, although you know,
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Speaker 2: if it, I think it would make a good movie,
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Speaker 2: for sure, a good film, I guess if I had
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Speaker 2: my heart's desire somebody, if there was someone who a producer,
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Speaker 2: who was interested in it, I can see myself in
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Speaker 2: the capathi as a you know, a script consultant or something.
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Speaker 2: I've never written on a film script, so that would
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Speaker 2: be a new experience for me, and I could give it,
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Speaker 2: I could try, and I could study how to do it.
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Speaker 2: But no, I haven't considered it until you actually mentioned it.
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Speaker 2: Good idea, I guess.
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Speaker 1: I strongly encourage you to pursue that once the book's published,
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Speaker 1: you have a marketplace out there with people who are
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Speaker 1: hungry for this type of film, because I think it
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Speaker 1: would be excellent as a movie. Now, please briefly describe
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Speaker 1: the story of The Taking and what re just can
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Speaker 1: look forward to when they read it.
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Speaker 2: Sure, well, it's a suspenseful book. It's kind of a
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Speaker 2: thriller about something that is on the supernatural side, and
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Speaker 2: I think it explores a great mystery that we have
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Speaker 2: had since, you know, the dawn of humanity. There's also
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Speaker 2: the it's also a story about friendship and family loyalty,
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Speaker 2: dealing with difficult truths, kind of a coming of age story.
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Speaker 2: It's got has a I deliberately wanted it to be
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Speaker 2: a mixed genre of literary fiction, realistic fiction, and paranormal.
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Speaker 2: I like combining genres sometimes, and so I wanted it
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Speaker 2: to have a realist stick component to it. I also
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Speaker 2: thought by making the characters relatable, ordinary people telling about
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Speaker 2: their lives and their community and their their friendships and things,
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Speaker 2: that it would make it a more of an emotional story.
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Speaker 2: There would be much more at stake for these people
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Speaker 2: if you got to for the reader, you know, would
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Speaker 2: be more invested in the characters if you really got
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Speaker 2: to know them and to care about them. And you know,
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Speaker 2: in the book, I deal with well the character. You know,
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Speaker 2: how does how do the people that are are close
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Speaker 2: to the main character respond to this? What's what this
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Speaker 2: person is going to going through? And I you know,
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Speaker 2: there's there's two characters in the book that are alien abductees,
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Speaker 2: and one of them is young younger, and one of
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Speaker 2: them is an adult. Their experiences with the kind of
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Speaker 2: support that they get are very different. You know, one
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Speaker 2: is very isolated and nobody will believe him. The other
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Speaker 2: has more support from the family eventually once they accept
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Speaker 2: what's going on. And so I wanted to make the
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Speaker 2: point that these people are going through a really traumatic
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Speaker 2: experience that is so disruptive of their lives, and how
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Speaker 2: do they even begin to cope with the uncertainty that
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Speaker 2: this brings and the help and aid and support of
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Speaker 2: people who care about you, and the fact and having
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Speaker 2: them excuse me believe you really is a determining factor
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Speaker 2: on about how you might be able to hope with
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Speaker 2: it and come to terms with it and somehow still
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Speaker 2: be able to live a life where you can have
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Speaker 2: happiness and some contentment and make plans for your life
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Speaker 2: and all of that that sort of stuff. I do
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Speaker 2: have the book right here in front of me. If
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Speaker 2: that's not enough information, I could brief I could read
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Speaker 2: the back cover copy. It gives you a little bit
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Speaker 2: more of an idea of the actual plot if you
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Speaker 2: wanted me to do that.
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Speaker 1: Actually, why don't you do that? In the next segment,
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Speaker 1: my guest is Donna Massey her breathtaking novel, The Taking. Donna,
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Speaker 1: please share with our listeners where they can get your
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Speaker 1: novel and find out more about you and your work.
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Speaker 2: Sure, the book is available. The Taking is available for
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Speaker 2: pre order right now on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and
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Speaker 2: pretty much anywhere where books are sold. It's as I said,
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Speaker 2: it's in pre order right now. The publishing date is
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Speaker 2: January twenty twenty five. In North America and the UK
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Speaker 2: and other countries, it's December twenty twenty four. And I
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Speaker 2: do have a website. It's Donnamassey dot com Dona Masi
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Speaker 2: dot com.
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Donna Massey.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about her new book, The Taking. Donna, in
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Speaker 1: the last segment you said you were going to tell
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Speaker 1: us a little bit more about the story in The Taking.
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Speaker 2: Please go ahead, sure, and if you don't mind, I'll
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Speaker 2: just read the brief backcover copy of the book. An
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Speaker 2: unnatural silence and a feeling that you are all alone
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Speaker 2: in the world. John and his daughter Vera grieve the
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Speaker 2: loss of Vera's mother, who mysteriously disappeared when Vera's a baby.
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Speaker 2: As John struggles to raise his troubled daughter, he dismisses
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Speaker 2: connections between his wife's disappearance and Vera's bizarre dreams of
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Speaker 2: other worldly creatures, But when he finds Vera unconscious lying
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Speaker 2: in a ring of scorched trees, he begins to leave.
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Speaker 2: The mysterious outside force is controlling her fate and his.
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Speaker 2: The Taking is a suspenseful story depicting a loving but
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Speaker 2: difficult relationship between a father and daughter, I mean, the
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Speaker 2: strange events that underlie their life in a small New
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Speaker 2: England town.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful. Thank you for sharing that with us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I've had the privilege of interviewing Kathleen Marden about her
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Speaker 1: aunt and uncle, Betty and Barney Hills.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, What makes.
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Speaker 1: The Hills abduction story so believable for you?
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Speaker 2: Well, they say that it's one of the most well
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Speaker 2: documented cases of a UFO alien abduction. There is so
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Speaker 2: much evidence and it's what also makes it compelling, I think,
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Speaker 2: is because I live in New Hampshire. I'm ten miles
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Speaker 2: from the town where Betty and Barney Hill lived, and
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Speaker 2: it's well known in New Hampshire as well as being
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's also a very very famous
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Speaker 2: story in uithology, but in New Hampshire it's I guess
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Speaker 2: probably particularly well known. I had the opportunity to speak
26:07
Speaker 2: at length with Kathleen Martin when I was writing the
26:12
Speaker 2: ethnography for my grad class, and you know, she shared
26:17
Speaker 2: I knew a lot about the case, but I learned
26:21
Speaker 2: a lot from her that I didn't know. And she
26:24
Speaker 2: had was in the midst or just finishing writing a
26:28
Speaker 2: book about it. I think it's called the Betty and
26:32
Speaker 2: Barney Hill UFO and Encounter Captured, and I just was
26:40
Speaker 2: so fascinated by everything that she had to say about it.
26:49
Speaker 2: Another thing that captivates me is that right here in
26:55
Speaker 2: the town next to me, at the University of New
26:57
Speaker 2: Hampshire in Durham, in the special Collections, they have artifacts
27:03
Speaker 2: from the Betty and Barty hillcase, including the dress that
27:08
Speaker 2: Betty was wearing on the night of the event, which
27:13
Speaker 2: was all When they got home that night after their
27:19
Speaker 2: interrupted journey, she took the dress off, put it in
27:23
Speaker 2: the closet and it sat there for forty years and
27:27
Speaker 2: it's covered with some kind of strange powder. It's all
27:31
Speaker 2: torn up. She had no idea how that happened. Just
27:37
Speaker 2: a lot of strange things. The story about the star
27:40
Speaker 2: map were when Betty was on board the spaceship and
27:46
Speaker 2: she was having a conversation with one of the leaders
27:51
Speaker 2: and that entity showed her a map, because she had
27:59
Speaker 2: asked them where they were located, where their planet was,
28:03
Speaker 2: and he was trying to tell her. She had no
28:05
Speaker 2: frame of reference as like how far away was from
28:09
Speaker 2: the Earth, et cetera. But he showed her a star map,
28:13
Speaker 2: and she drew that map from memory under hypnosis, and
28:18
Speaker 2: then I believe that it. I'm no astronomer, but it
28:24
Speaker 2: contained certain stars that weren't even discovered until years and
28:30
Speaker 2: years and years later after her experience. So there's the dress,
28:34
Speaker 2: there's her. There the recordings that they when they were
28:40
Speaker 2: under hypnosis when they went to a psychiatrist in Boston,
28:45
Speaker 2: that where they're talking about their experiences and it's absolutely
28:50
Speaker 2: bone chilling to listen to them, and I have and
28:56
Speaker 2: in Betty in Excuse Me, Kathy Kathleen's book, she has
29:00
Speaker 2: transcriptions of those of those recordings that Betty and Varney
29:05
Speaker 2: did when they were under hypnosis when they saw a
29:08
Speaker 2: psychiatrist in Boston because they were having all sorts of
29:11
Speaker 2: anxiety and traumatic dreams and et cetera. They're the spots
29:19
Speaker 2: that were on the back of their car when they
29:21
Speaker 2: returned home that morning from their trip, which was in
29:26
Speaker 2: the White Mountains of New Hampshire and that's where the
29:28
Speaker 2: abduction took place. They couldn't explain that, and they later
29:33
Speaker 2: found out that they were radioactive spots from an Air
29:37
Speaker 2: Force officer who came out from the Peas Air Force Base,
29:41
Speaker 2: which used to be nearby, because they called Pease Air
29:46
Speaker 2: Force Base to report that they had seen something in
29:48
Speaker 2: the sky, something strange. He came out to investigate. He
29:52
Speaker 2: found that there's just a loads of loads of evidence,
29:58
Speaker 2: so that's why they say it's one of the most
30:01
Speaker 2: well documented cases. And as far as I understand, there
30:08
Speaker 2: are other experiences in Betty's family too. I think Kathleen
30:14
Speaker 2: Kathleen Martin herself is an experiencer, so some very odd things,
30:21
Speaker 2: you know, have happened, and it just captured my imagination.
30:26
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm my imagination is captured by a lot
30:29
Speaker 2: of stories, but I think the Betty and Barney Hill
30:33
Speaker 2: story is definitely one of my favorites. And I've seen Betty.
30:37
Speaker 2: I never talked talked to her before, but I've spotted her.
30:40
Speaker 2: She's long past, but I've seen her around. So just
30:46
Speaker 2: knowing that she's in the area, knowing of her, knowing
30:49
Speaker 2: it's a story that I think that's what holds makes
30:52
Speaker 2: me most fascinated about it.
30:56
Speaker 1: Is there an either interesting UFO or alien encounter that
31:00
Speaker 1: you'd like to talk about.
31:03
Speaker 2: Well, there's another famous story from New Hampshire called the
31:07
Speaker 2: UFO the incident at Exeter, and this took place in
31:11
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five. It's actually remembered every year around here
31:17
Speaker 2: at the Exeter UFO Festival, which is pretty fun place
31:22
Speaker 2: to go on a Saturday. It's every Labor Day weekend.
31:26
Speaker 2: I think it's been going on well about ten or
31:28
Speaker 2: fifteen years now. And that wasn't an alien abduction story.
31:33
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of people that saw ups
31:41
Speaker 2: over the course of two nights. And the first the
31:46
Speaker 2: first sighting I think, was from a young guy who
31:49
Speaker 2: is hitchhiking home. He had been visiting his girlfriend and
31:53
Speaker 2: he was hitchhiking back to the town where he lived.
31:56
Speaker 2: It was very late, it was about two o'clock in
31:57
Speaker 2: the morning, and he this UFO was right in front
32:03
Speaker 2: of the all of a sudden, in front of him
32:06
Speaker 2: on the road and it was just hovering there and
32:10
Speaker 2: then it took off and it was there for several
32:13
Speaker 2: minutes that he was absolutely freaked out by it so
32:16
Speaker 2: much so that he just the next car that came by,
32:21
Speaker 2: he just kind of like stepped out in front of
32:22
Speaker 2: the car, waving his arms, screaming and yelling. He wanted
32:25
Speaker 2: to get out of there as fast as he could,
32:29
Speaker 2: so the person who picked him up dropped him off
32:31
Speaker 2: at the police station so he could report it. And
32:36
Speaker 2: while he was there talking to the police officer, more
32:40
Speaker 2: calls kept coming in about from people who said that
32:44
Speaker 2: they'd seen something strange. You'd seen a flying saucer. Well,
32:49
Speaker 2: the police officer went with him to the spot where
32:54
Speaker 2: this young man had had the sighting and they he
33:00
Speaker 2: saw it too, So there were two witnesses there at
33:02
Speaker 2: that time, the police officer and this this young guy.
33:07
Speaker 2: And so the police officer that was present with him
33:11
Speaker 2: got on his radio and asked another officer to come
33:15
Speaker 2: out because it was still there. I mean, it was
33:17
Speaker 2: there for minutes a long time, and that officer came
33:21
Speaker 2: and he saw it too, was still there. So that
33:24
Speaker 2: was three witnesses to it. And later that night there were,
33:30
Speaker 2: as I said, there were other reports. One police officer
33:34
Speaker 2: saw a car on the side of the road and
33:36
Speaker 2: it was quite late. He pulled up in front of it,
33:39
Speaker 2: thinking that you know, maybe they needed i mean needed help.
33:44
Speaker 2: And he got out of the car and a woman
33:45
Speaker 2: was in there and she was absolutely hysterical because she
33:49
Speaker 2: had said that she saw this big flying saucer and
33:52
Speaker 2: had been following her and it was right over her car,
33:55
Speaker 2: and then when it went away, she just kind of
33:57
Speaker 2: like fell apart and was terrified. And so that was
34:02
Speaker 2: another pretty well documented I mean, it was two witnessed
34:07
Speaker 2: by two police officers who probably wouldn't be making that
34:12
Speaker 2: up if they hadn't seen it, and then the original
34:15
Speaker 2: witness and then other witnesses too. So that's a very
34:19
Speaker 2: famous case. And it took place at Exeter, New Hampshire,
34:24
Speaker 2: and so therefore they dislike out in Roswell where they
34:28
Speaker 2: have the Roswell UFO Festival. We have an Exeter UFO
34:32
Speaker 2: Festival every year.
34:34
Speaker 1: We just had another series of hearings on the UAP
34:38
Speaker 1: phenomenon on Capitol Hill. Do you believe that governments, especially
34:43
Speaker 1: the US government, are hiding information about the existence of
34:47
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial aliens and human alien encounters from the public.
34:54
Speaker 2: I think it's quite possible when you listen to people
35:01
Speaker 2: who've worked for the government in the military, for instance,
35:07
Speaker 2: and then they're coming forward with their stories of things
35:12
Speaker 2: that they've witnessed or that they know of others people
35:17
Speaker 2: have witnessed, and all of the absolute dismissal and denial
35:25
Speaker 2: that's gone on for decades, and until recently the government
35:31
Speaker 2: wouldn't even say that there was something to be investigated.
35:36
Speaker 2: So I think it's highly possible. It's very convincing when
35:39
Speaker 2: you listen to people, you know, pilots, Navy pilots, Air
35:43
Speaker 2: Force pilots, people had ships out at sea, you got
35:48
Speaker 2: to wonder, not everybody is making this up. I mean,
35:53
Speaker 2: certainly some people are not going to be telling the truth,
35:57
Speaker 2: but I think that probably most of them are, and
36:01
Speaker 2: all of the intimidation that they experience, have experienced threats
36:07
Speaker 2: to their you know, even the very lives, their careers,
36:12
Speaker 2: their families. They just want somebody wanted them to be
36:15
Speaker 2: quiet about it. The other fascinating story where there seemed
36:20
Speaker 2: to be a lot to cover up is the one
36:23
Speaker 2: the forest, yes, where that they had UFO sidings over
36:29
Speaker 2: the course of a couple of nights and some you know,
36:35
Speaker 2: airmen went out to investigate and they saw these very
36:39
Speaker 2: crazy bright lights. They even some of them say that
36:44
Speaker 2: they were close up with a grounded UFO. Whether it
36:49
Speaker 2: was a crash or not, I'm not sure. But even
36:52
Speaker 2: their commanding officer, who didn't believe him at first, went
36:56
Speaker 2: out with them the second night. He experienced this whole
37:00
Speaker 2: himself too, and some of those witnesses were harassed and intimidated.
37:07
Speaker 2: I one person, and I heard this out of his
37:10
Speaker 2: own mouth. Was his entire history of ever having been
37:16
Speaker 2: in the Air Force just disappeared nobody. You know, he
37:21
Speaker 2: was looking searching for his records. They weren't there. They
37:24
Speaker 2: denied that he was ever in the service, and he
37:26
Speaker 2: had he was in for two or three years. So
37:28
Speaker 2: it seems to be a complete lie, you know, that
37:32
Speaker 2: they made up because they didn't want any more questions asked.
37:37
Speaker 2: So I would say that if the government is going
37:41
Speaker 2: to those lengths to cover it up and to make
37:44
Speaker 2: people just shut up about it, I would say, yeah, probably.
37:50
Speaker 3: So.
37:51
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy seven, I was in the Air Force.
37:54
Speaker 1: I was stationed at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida,
37:58
Speaker 1: and I was working for the base information office, and
38:02
Speaker 1: we would take turns on weekends answering phone calls coming
38:06
Speaker 1: in for people questioning things about the base. And so on,
38:09
Speaker 1: and it was my turn, and that Friday night, my
38:13
Speaker 1: commander called me and said he's taking over all the calls,
38:17
Speaker 1: that I don't have to answer the phone that weekend,
38:20
Speaker 1: and that I can take the weekend off and that
38:22
Speaker 1: he'd explain to me the following Monday and that I
38:25
Speaker 1: could make it up on another weekend. And I was
38:27
Speaker 1: grateful to have that time off in any event. That
38:30
Speaker 1: Monday morning, he called me into his office and he said,
38:33
Speaker 1: we had a situation where a Cuban MiG landed on
38:38
Speaker 1: the base unexpectedly under the radar, and that's the reason
38:43
Speaker 1: why he was taking the calls. And I believe what
38:46
Speaker 1: he said to me, and never thought and he said,
38:49
Speaker 1: don't discuss it. I never thought anything further of it.
38:53
Speaker 1: The following weekend, I had taken over the duty again,
38:56
Speaker 1: and that Friday night I received a phone call from
39:00
Speaker 1: someone saying about what does the Air Force have to
39:03
Speaker 1: say about the UFO that landed at Homestead Air Force Base.
39:07
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know what you're talking about, sir.
39:08
Speaker 1: He says, well, the UFO landed at Homestead Air Force Base,
39:12
Speaker 1: And I said, sir, the Air Force stopped studying the
39:16
Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon when they closed the Project Bluebook determining that
39:20
Speaker 1: it was not a threat to national security. I'm not
39:22
Speaker 1: exactly sure what you heard or what you saw, but
39:25
Speaker 1: that's all I have to share with you. So it
39:28
Speaker 1: turns out that what I found out was that that
39:32
Speaker 1: story about the Cuban MiG had taken place, but not
39:35
Speaker 1: that year, and had taken place two years before. And
39:39
Speaker 1: I guarantee you another Cuban MiG could not have gotten down.
39:42
Speaker 1: So what actually landed at Homestead Air Force Base that
39:45
Speaker 1: weekend that that man was calling me about. And then later,
39:49
Speaker 1: long after I was out of the Air Force, I
39:51
Speaker 1: read the story about Richard Nixon taking Jackie Gleeson to
39:54
Speaker 1: Homestead Air Force Base and taking him to a hangar
39:58
Speaker 1: where he showed him craft and alien bodies. So you know,
40:04
Speaker 1: I had a close brush with that, not enough to
40:07
Speaker 1: see it myself with my own eyes, but I thought
40:09
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40:11
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Speaker 1: O back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Donna Massey.
43:06
Speaker 1: We're talking about her incredible book The Taking. What do
43:10
Speaker 1: you think the intentions of extraterrestrials are for visiting our
43:14
Speaker 1: planet and for humankind?
43:17
Speaker 2: I can only speculate. I mean, I honestly don't know.
43:24
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's one of those ambiguous things
43:29
Speaker 2: in my book. I don't do a lot of trying
43:34
Speaker 2: to answer that question because I feel like I just
43:41
Speaker 2: I don't know enough. I mean, I know what some
43:44
Speaker 2: people say that you know, they're they're here too to
43:49
Speaker 2: heal and help us and to help us, to maybe
43:54
Speaker 2: save us from ourselves. But there's also the you hear
44:01
Speaker 2: about people being you know, physically harmed, certainly scared to
44:06
Speaker 2: death by it. Maybe that's because they don't understand what's
44:09
Speaker 2: going on. That's where the fear comes. It's hard for
44:14
Speaker 2: me to say it really is. I think that if
44:19
Speaker 2: I were going through an abduction experience, you know, I can,
44:23
Speaker 2: even though I believe that it's true, I would certainly wonder, well,
44:29
Speaker 2: what do you want with me? What are you going
44:31
Speaker 2: to do to me? So I have to be honest
44:34
Speaker 2: and answering that question that I don't feel like like
44:39
Speaker 2: I can say for sure. I mean, I think it's
44:42
Speaker 2: quite possible that we could be being visited by races
44:48
Speaker 2: that mean us, mean to help us, and are benevolent,
44:55
Speaker 2: but we also could be simultaneously being visited by these
45:00
Speaker 2: those who don't have our best interests at heart, and
45:04
Speaker 2: maybe you know we should. There's something to be frightened
45:09
Speaker 2: and worry about that.
45:11
Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to say, in your opinion,
45:15
Speaker 1: are we close to official disclosure of ET visitation and contact.
45:23
Speaker 2: Well, you hear people say that we're getting closer and
45:25
Speaker 2: closer to that, and that the you know, the release
45:31
Speaker 2: of information by the government, not only the US government
45:34
Speaker 2: but other governments too, and a little bit more openness
45:38
Speaker 2: that has occurred. Of course, it seems like every time
45:40
Speaker 2: they get a little bit open, then they slam the
45:42
Speaker 2: door shut again. But we've had more acknowledgment of that
45:48
Speaker 2: there's some kind of mystery going on or by the
45:52
Speaker 2: government than we ever had before. So it could very
45:57
Speaker 2: well be that we are getting closer, that we are
45:59
Speaker 2: close so them we realized, and we may maybe were
46:03
Speaker 2: closer than we realized. Actually having the truth revealed to
46:07
Speaker 2: us by being visited so that it makes it obvious
46:12
Speaker 2: to everybody that there are beings coming from outside, from
46:21
Speaker 2: you know, other planets, other dimensions, what have you, and
46:25
Speaker 2: that they might have been here a while. So that's
46:28
Speaker 2: hard to say too.
46:30
Speaker 1: How do you think humanity will respond once there is
46:34
Speaker 1: official disclosure.
46:39
Speaker 2: I would like to think that would help bring us together.
46:42
Speaker 2: I remember reading about Ronald Reagan, who was a believer,
46:48
Speaker 2: and he had several sightings, and he even spoke about
46:53
Speaker 2: it when he was president that he often wondered what
46:58
Speaker 2: would happen if we did suddenly find out that, you know,
47:04
Speaker 2: aliens are real and they're coming here, and how would
47:08
Speaker 2: we react? And he said, you know, he hoped that
47:11
Speaker 2: it would bring us together humanity. I mean, I think
47:15
Speaker 2: that he maybe was perceiving it as a danger to
47:18
Speaker 2: us when he made the statement that we would come
47:20
Speaker 2: together to defend ourselves or unite. I'm not really sure
47:24
Speaker 2: what was behind entirelym it sounded that way. So I
47:29
Speaker 2: can only hope that we'd handle it like with maturity,
47:35
Speaker 2: with reasonableness, and maybe with openness, if that would be
47:44
Speaker 2: best for us. But I do I tend to think
47:49
Speaker 2: that it would probably cause a big general panic too,
47:53
Speaker 2: regardless of whether they started blasting us like war the
47:57
Speaker 2: world's when they got here or not, just the mirror
48:00
Speaker 2: idea that you know, something had landed there. There would
48:03
Speaker 2: be panic, there would be fear. There would be those
48:06
Speaker 2: that would welcome it and be and receive it, you know,
48:11
Speaker 2: with open arms and want to get to know them.
48:14
Speaker 2: But it's you know, there would be a great deal
48:18
Speaker 2: of fear and it it could lead to to violence
48:24
Speaker 2: against each other, or it could lead you know, certainly
48:28
Speaker 2: or fighting back defending ourselves. Even if there didn't, there
48:32
Speaker 2: really wasn't a reason why we had to, you know.
48:36
Speaker 2: I mean, we have a we have a a light
48:41
Speaker 2: side and we have a dark side, and we don't
48:44
Speaker 2: usually react to something in tandem with the same reaction,
48:49
Speaker 2: you know. So it's hard to say, but except for
48:54
Speaker 2: the fact that I do think that there'd both be
48:57
Speaker 2: an openness to it and a welcoming and also sheer
49:01
Speaker 2: panic and fear.
49:05
Speaker 1: In your book The Taking, you share the story of
49:07
Speaker 1: a young girl who becomes an abductee. What advice would
49:11
Speaker 1: you offer to parents whose children report to them anomalies.
49:19
Speaker 2: Well, I think that they should should listen to them
49:22
Speaker 2: and be open minded about it and not just dismiss
49:25
Speaker 2: it as some childhood fantasy. I mean it. I think
49:30
Speaker 2: to know whether it is or not, you have to
49:33
Speaker 2: listen to what they're telling you and maybe learn more
49:37
Speaker 2: about experiences that other people have said that they've had
49:43
Speaker 2: and compare them, compare the details of the story. But
49:47
Speaker 2: I would try to find out in greater depth from
49:51
Speaker 2: my child about what they're what happened to them. For
49:56
Speaker 2: one thing, they may be afraid and need that kind
49:59
Speaker 2: of comfort, and whether it's true or not, they're going
50:04
Speaker 2: to need some sort of reassurance. So I think to
50:07
Speaker 2: dismiss it is insulting and just definitely not a good idea.
50:17
Speaker 2: You know, people when they're afraid, if that's what the
50:21
Speaker 2: reaction is, they need comfort and reassurance. I also say
50:25
Speaker 2: that maybe if they do come to think that there's
50:28
Speaker 2: something going on that, you know, maybe they find the
50:33
Speaker 2: right kind of counseling for them, not to somebody who
50:39
Speaker 2: is open minded, not who's just trying to find some
50:41
Speaker 2: kind of psychological disorder to explain it all away, or
50:48
Speaker 2: support group.
50:50
Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you think that readers will come away from
50:54
Speaker 1: the taking believing that UFOs and alien abductions are real.
51:03
Speaker 2: Well, that's hard for me to be sure about either.
51:07
Speaker 2: I think that it might I reading the book could
51:12
Speaker 2: give them pause to stop and consider the possibility at
51:16
Speaker 2: any rate. I think it could. I hope that it
51:22
Speaker 2: will do that. I don't know if it's going to
51:26
Speaker 2: convince anybody. It might come through depend on their the
51:32
Speaker 2: perspective that they have and their opinions that they bring
51:35
Speaker 2: to it to begin with, how whether it persuades them
51:39
Speaker 2: absolutely that this is going on or not. I think that,
51:46
Speaker 2: you know, this is fiction, so you know, maybe there
51:50
Speaker 2: are better vehicles that would be more persuasive to people
51:55
Speaker 2: if they actually got the eyewitness We're listening to eyewitness
51:59
Speaker 2: account or experiences accounts that might be more convincing to them.
52:04
Speaker 2: But the just so folks know, the details that I
52:09
Speaker 2: have in my book are not ones that I make up.
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Speaker 2: They're like the characteristics of a lot of that a
52:17
Speaker 2: lot of experiences experiences report. So then I'm just taking
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Speaker 2: what I've learned in my study and you know, also
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Speaker 2: recreational enjoyment of the topic and using them in my
52:36
Speaker 2: book to try to make it realistic, the experience as
52:41
Speaker 2: realistic for the readers as possible and as persuasive to
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Speaker 2: the readers as far as like accepting their willfully suspending
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Speaker 2: their disbeliefs so that they can become wrapped up in
52:55
Speaker 2: the story.
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Speaker 1: I will share that anyone who reads this book will
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Speaker 1: immediately develop a tremendous amount of compassion for the characters.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's nice, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Do you think that people will be scared reading
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Speaker 1: The Taking some people?
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Speaker 2: I think so? Sure, Sure, I mean there are some
53:17
Speaker 2: really kind of dark moments, suspenseful moments, especially if if
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Speaker 2: you like, you know, if you're engaged with the characters
53:27
Speaker 2: and you feel for them. Then of course that's true
53:31
Speaker 2: of any book. You know, the more you are invested
53:35
Speaker 2: in the characters, the more worried you are about them
53:38
Speaker 2: when they're in danger or something's going terribly wrong for them.
53:44
Speaker 2: You want everything to turn out all right. And so yeah,
53:49
Speaker 2: I do think so. I also know from my own experience.
53:52
Speaker 2: But we're reading some nonfiction books about UFOs and alien abductions,
53:58
Speaker 2: but they certainly scared me. I mean there were a
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Speaker 2: few that I read that I couldn't read at night.
54:05
Speaker 2: I mean it would kept me up awake all night long,
54:08
Speaker 2: or I'd go to sleep and I'd dream about it
54:09
Speaker 2: and I'd wake up and you know, it's like I
54:12
Speaker 2: had a real experience. It was so vivid my dream.
54:15
Speaker 2: So yes, I definitely was terrified by them, and I
54:22
Speaker 2: think the others could be too. But then again, the
54:25
Speaker 2: book also has a lot of warmth in it. It
54:28
Speaker 2: has some humor, it has you know, it's not all
54:32
Speaker 2: just you hit the ground running and it's all terror
54:35
Speaker 2: and horror. I mean it's not, but there. It's definitely suspenseful.
54:39
Speaker 2: It's kind of a slow burn the tension. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean I want them to be a little scared. Sure,
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. My guest is Donna Massey her book The Taking. Donna,
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Speaker 1: one more time, please share with our listeners where they
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Speaker 1: can get your books and find out more about you.
54:58
Speaker 2: Sure. Day of the novel is The Taking. It's published
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Speaker 2: by round Fire Books. They're an imprint of Collective Inc.
55:07
Speaker 2: It's in pre order right now and so it's available
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Speaker 2: to pre order on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and anywhere
55:16
Speaker 2: books are sold. The release date is January twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: five in the US and actually all of North America,
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Speaker 2: so that's when it's going to be published in North America.
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Speaker 2: In the UK, in other countries. It's December twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: If you preorder it now, you should receive it in
55:41
Speaker 2: the early January, the first or second of January, as
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Speaker 2: soon as it's released, and then hopefully it will end
55:48
Speaker 2: up in book source too. And your website and my
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Speaker 2: website is Donna Massey Dona Masi dot com.
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Speaker 1: Donna, thank you so much for joining us, and as
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Speaker 1: I shared with you in the beginning, I think this
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Speaker 1: is going to make not only the not only is
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Speaker 1: it a wonderful novel, but it will make an excellent
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Speaker 1: motion picture.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Victor, it was. It was a pleasure to
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Speaker 2: be with you today.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thank you for joining us
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Speaker 1: on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor the Voice Ferman. Have a
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Speaker 1: wonderful week.