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Another One GONE · Archons Corner

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All right? What's going on? Everybody? I am the one,
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the only, the w o kie. We're a few missfits sharts this week.
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One I don't know. Sheep said he's getting up in three in the
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morning, so I don't know what he's doing. Probably going camping. I
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think you said camping. Is he going camping? Walk? He has to
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record the AC fans? Man, Oh, he was recording the AC only
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fans right now? Got it right right on? Um and drazz Core is
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at a production meeting. He's actually producing woe as we speak. That's a
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lie, but we do have big what's up to date? I'm back.
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I'm sorry I missed out. I knew I couldn't make the Friday one,
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but I was pleased being here last week. But thing came up that I
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had to attend to you. Yeah, my apologies. These things they happen.
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That's why we have five people on this show. Yeah yeah, like
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maybe I was gone to an opie event. Oh oh, which one?
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That one over there? Yea, and it was Lord Canna like Lord Canna
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pre release and before we got the Ewaukee Ist of Ewoks Ewok Junior. Hello,
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key Forge community. So big news today, guys. We got a
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rule book. We're gonna probably go through the rule buck on more of a
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later date. Um. A lot of changes, a lot to read,
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a lot to take in. UM, I don't know. I've gotten most
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of the way through with it, and I don't know. I'm not seeing
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a ton of changes, but we'll get there. We'll talk about it.
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Um well, I think WOOKI there are quite a few changes. But there's
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also a couple of their individuals podcasts talking about it. And we have some
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really big news that, you know, we want to go ahead and prioritize
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first, So we're finding let's start out. Let's start out with the Ancient
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Bear Republic League. Boys. How you doing, how you feeling, how
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you're hanging in there? I lost this week, I got wrecked by that
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set, you're off the show. You're off the show. Leave van Soil.
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I kicked my butt, But like the two decks that I let my
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team borrow, both like they both piloted really well and they got wins.
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So like my decks that went two and one, my decks are better than
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I am apparently so I mean, I'm I guess part of the x ray
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philosophy of by the winds, um ye buy them, buy them now?
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All they're hot? Well and this week this week for ABR, it was
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straight up our counting, but it was best of three. Did you end
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up making it into game three? No? No, I got wrecked.
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Like Game one, it was actually closed, back and forth, very competitive.
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We'd actually played that matchup before. Um I think I did, actually
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losing on a misplay that didn't even occur to me. Had a winning line
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until after the game, so just to head to play to two good competitors.
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Game two, I was actually like playing with a pretty strong hold.
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Um my opponent at some point ransacked me for five, which that car doesn't
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actually do that, but that's what happened. However, I was still ahead
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and then he topped decked key Frog to end the game with me on check
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for a win, which he could not stop. So that's key forge.
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I mean, like that's why we played the game, because you gotta gotta
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play the car to see who's gonna win. And um now I would like
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to have seen that game three because of how like well Falled the first game
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was, and then how like fluky the second one was. But he got
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the win, called it a day and am onto next week and what what
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two decks made it? In this shootout he was playing Leader, which has
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been featured in KFPL. I don't know if he does in KFL because I
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don't do that world, but like i'd seen it way back in KFPL and
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I was on Galaxy. We'd played that match before. It's a really really
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heads up match. You gotta constantly be aware of what's going on, which
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I think had I been paying a little bit more, I mean I kind
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of talked about it lately. I don't play online much anymore, so like,
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if I guess I was a little bit sharper, I probably could have
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taken Game one. I just needed to be a little bit more heads up
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with my lines and planning on what I knew his end game was I just
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didn't sequence my end game well enough to match his. I adjusted for that
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in game two, and then the cards just said you lose. So I
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hopefully I'll play Sharper in the future, although I doubt I'm going to be
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practicing that much, so maybe not a fun story. I ransacked for three
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this week. Yeah, well that's not five. Yeah no, no,
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it's not five, but I need I needed exactly three to take said person
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off of check for endgame and it did it, and I was I was
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like, this is literally my only out and I played it and there it
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was. Yeah, and like at first you don't know what happens. Everyone
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knows how persiple is, like they'll play a card and then sup, and
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then you did, like you see the scroll wheel on the right or the
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log and then you like look at your amber, you look at their amber.
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You're like what hell? I was like, okay, all right,
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that's the thing. Yeah, I remember. I was like sitting there,
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I'm like, this is literally my only option to take him off keys so
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that I can get back in this game. And like, I don't remember
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if I won the game or not, but it was worth it made me
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feel better almost as good as a bait and switch. But ewak, how
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did your ab our games go this week? Yeah, we did end up
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playing two at three UM. I ended up going ahead and winning based our
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good friend Ben Monkey, so it was really good to see a friend and
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to be able to play. But he was on Zack's big Cornelius of at
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Lantum and solid MM deck, sitting ninety one SaaS just quad LETHO Auto and
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quota mind over matter. It was you then have huge untamed burst with uh,
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well it has Punk, it has Dirk Harbinger with three of the mutations
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lost in the woods, another two rapid evolutions troop call there, while Bounty
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just it's it's pretty beastly. Um. But I immediately went ahead and I
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was on my Xander. So Xander is my world's collide and it's a board
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spam deck is really what it is. And so game one UM, actually
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both game one and game two Auto and Quota was down on turn one or
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turn two for him. So that's that's brutal because I do not have any
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artifact control and that leads to some real big issues. But he on his
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opening play and played mind over matter in game one and in my opinion,
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he does have a way to be able to cycle back to it very very
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quickly. But I thought that wasn't honestly, probably a misplay in my opinion,
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because I'm on Xander and Zander is I have a whole bunch of warding,
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but I get double Tracerian, Legionary Pompatus, double shricks, Ludo pare
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Guardian, and so that Sorian package can go ahead and really put up four.
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And if I look at the two decks, I immediately see I'm going
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to try and spam out creatures. So his see was what I immediately looked
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at, mind over matter lost in the woods, and then it goes to
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Deadbone Decimus, and I will be honest, Deadbone did I've never seen a
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dead and put in more work than in this deck and in our matchups.
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But I could take advantage of the mind over matter when it was played early
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because he had to cycle back to it um. So that was the major
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piece in my opinion. Two of those lethos were buried in the very very
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bottom couple of cards, and I just I pushed game two. I had
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a very very different line that I played. I didn't play much of my
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shadows in game one, but in game two, UM, I pushed dinos
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early and when I say dinos, it was turn turn one. I had
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placed Dino going first. He went ahead and bounced it, and I made
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the choice to go ahead and come right back, and I plopped down basically
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saying take take me off or for j key, and it was protected.
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Um. He had a really, really, really nice play, which was
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he actually humbled my shricks so that that I know you don't think about it,
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but okay, So so Humble is starring card with an amber pip action
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play exhaustive creature. If you do move three amber from that creature to the
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common supply, it was well warded. There was nothing he could do to
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stop it, and that was his out, and sure enough he found it
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so awesome, awesome insight to be able to see that because you don't think
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of Humble is taking somewhat basically stopping them from check your Most people use it
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to protect their own amber. That's gonna be taken. But it was awesome
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play, and frankly it forced the rest of the game because that was a
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huge push for me, and I leaned into it and it basically kept it
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off for another turn or two, but both games were super close. I
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honestly feel that if he had one more turn, like he came back at
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the end and had two major bursts that caused him issue, but I locked
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out there. And then in game number two, again it was close,
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but I was able to go hide and eke it out. So I love
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the game. Xander is still my baby. But Xander has no R and
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really some of these top MM decks that I'm seeing it really struggles without the
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R but still fun to play. My style definitely that all right, vastly
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strong. Well. I played some games with Dan this week. That's my
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big Me and Dan got together this week because I wanted to try a deck
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that I had never tried that I never even really honestly even looked at.
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It's French Worlds Collide, and it was never a deck that I honestly ever
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had any sort of thinkings about. It's an eighty three Sass, so it's
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okay. But I was just kind of like, like it didn't tickle my
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fancy. So I was like, Dan, I want to try this deck.
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Let's play some games. Um, I think it won all the games,
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and when I played, I think we played three and it won all
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three Funniest story. Um, if you Senator shricks and tribute that Imperial forage,
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Um, it gets crazy. I didn't know if anybody it gets nuts.
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I didn't think it got that nuts, and I didn't think the deck
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could pull it off because it literally only has Eddie to do any well,
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it's got memory chip two. But um, it's only gotten tawtow vapors and
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Eddie to archive. But it can find that combo not terribly hardly. That
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sounds wrong, not terribly hard so surprisingly enough like that that, Yeah,
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easily, it can find it easily, thank you. Yeah. So I
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was like, oh, this is the thing that exists, so I might,
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uh might play some games with that deck. I'm not sure. Um.
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I enjoyed the few games I did play with it. So so far,
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so good. But we do have some game foul news, gentlemen to
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go over. We finally have a well at least a month. But to
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go into it. Um, if you are tie, I am sorry.
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M gig has canceled their tie translations. Um. And if you were impacted,
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they said they've already contacted you. No, but shipping shipping will be
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at the end of May. This is confirmed by their own website. But
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as he said, this is this is nothing new. We already thought it
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would be that time. Yeah, Like I when they announced it back in
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January, it was gonna be like roughly six months from their December pledge closed
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date or whatever. Um, so here we are, this is about that
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time. Yeah, um so, but I guess, like, well we
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kind of talked pre show. I mean this does mean we have an official
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you know, there is months stand Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's nice.
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And end of May is is where we're looking. So we're hoping to
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have products. Um, I don't know if that means like end of May
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you're getting your like notice that here is your shipping email. That means like
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end of May. That like hey, it's on your doorsteps. Like that
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is a you know, potentially one to two week difference depending on method of
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shipping and all that. But either way, like we are at this time
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of the recording a month and a half away from getting to play Woes decks
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that we've we've we bought like almost your six weeks if you are international,
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They do say it will be a little bit longer. Um, how much
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they did not say but around here to Dan's not around here to defend the
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whole like, um, Dan knows shipping. If there's one thing, Dan
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knows, it's shipping right here to defend the whole kickstarter thing. But like
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as far as the way, like you know, game found kickstarters, crowd
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funny stuff like this is actually a fairly good return on in order. Like
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I again, I've said this cup left I bought somebody like seven years ago.
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I still don't have. UM, So not that not bad at the
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grand scheme of things. As far as a product delivery from a crowd funded
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source, I agree one hundred percent. I think this is exciting. It'll
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be really really nice to have more Wodex. I have gone through mine.
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I know we've played all of Sheep's as well. Um And I think that
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this then holds a different light to OpEd, because once decks are out,
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it's no longer hey, this there's no product from FFG and you're you're trying
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to run OP like they found themselves in a really really difficult spot. Um
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and they did acquire the game, they knew this taking it on. But
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I'm excited to be able to have the decks for woe. At that point,
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we can now go gangbusters going forward. That's my hope and goal,
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and people can be excited about the game back into it. Well, but
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I'm gonna I'm gonna pop your bubble here a little bit. You may have
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yard decks, but your algefs we still don't have word on whether and when
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they're going to be able to get decks. I hear that, and that
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is the negative news. I do agree that it is a problem, but
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I also know our community is amazing and there are already people who have gone
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at and said, hey, I'm going into the community. We're running this
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event with this box that I've picked up, and you know, not everyone's
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going to be willing to do that. But we need to have some excitement
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for the game. There's a lot of time that keeps passing, boys,
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and if if we're not being excited, even as content creators, they can
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only imagine other individuals who are out there, who are you know, going
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off to other games. Frankly, there are other games that are coming out
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that are enticing, and we need some information. We need to be able
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to create some content. We need to get excited about the game again.
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Ze you talked about, Hey, I don't really like playing online. There's
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a lot of players that they just play in person. So yes, game
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found, we need to get it in our hands. We need to build
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some excitements and then we as the AC group here, we can go ahead
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and talk about, well, now that we have product, where's that product
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getting into stores and what are we looking at for OP. And I do
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think that those conversations can be more critical at that point once we have product.
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But the product was holding up and I'm excited to be able to see
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an end date versus question mark because there were a lot of question marks and
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while we can see six months, I'm glad that that is confirmed. I'm
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very happy. Yeah, OP very critical to the life of a game,
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like no doubt in my mind. Also posted in our discord. If we're
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not a member of our score and find that little link below, you can
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try and have some fun. Um. It has been confirmed that once you
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arrive, once you receive your woldecks, you will be able to scan them
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into the master vault. Basically is a heads up that they are working on
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the scan. Nobody tried um either, you guys actually just just just tried.
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I did a long time ago. They tried today. No, but
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I trust our ac so much like I swear they spam the key forwarding dot
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com site because anything that's posted, like we get a message within ten seconds.
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Oh that's a bot. But yeah, so like, if it was
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possible, I trust that's fun in our channel would have scanned it ran I
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don't. I don't know if anybody was like wants to try it. Yeah,
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I almost want to go grab one right now or Southerly or someone out
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there is like scanning a random lodeck like every three hours, it's probably jam
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if I had to put money on it to be a jam, just just
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because like right like then, I feel strongly that that has happened. Um,
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but speaking of OP, the lifeblood of any card game, we got
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some new news about OP. Sheep, what don't we Yeah, it was
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so exciting. He's not It was so exciting. Sheep decided to go camp
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against he decided to go live like a homo instead. Sheep's not here,
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Zee, Why don't you take a take our new OP news out of the
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way. Um, I'm not good at reading things verbatim, so maybe you
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walk would find it. While we're talking about it, but Arthur did.
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Uh so, I don't think it was like four or five weeks ago.
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We talked about how we assumed that Arthur was going to take on the vault
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because he had made a new Facebook. He had made a new discord.
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Well, he had took part of his board twinch discord and dedicated it to
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Keyford vaults. He accidentally posted for like thirty minutes which our ac loyals found
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within that thirty minutes, yeah, a reference to a potential Origins vault.
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And he recently posted a message which you walk I think you have it to
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read for us now I do, all right, walkbots here. So Arthur
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Kelly, posting in Facebook, had said, hey everyone, I just wanted
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to drop a small update regarding Origins, game Fair and KeyForge. Sadly,
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to my best attempts in pursuit to bring a vault tour to Origins, I
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failed. I could not convince the decision makers to bring it there. I
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then tried to pivot and bring some alternative events, but time ran out.
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I'm really sorry, but I tried to bring some keyforgs there. I have
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plenty, I'll have plenty of gen con as I have years now in a
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couple of weeks when events go live, look for board Crunch and our sealed
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events. So that was one of the posts that we can see from Arthur
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Um. He did make another one and it was posted by Joker in our
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discordant that one too. Yeah. Added to be clear, this is my
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personal attraction from the game, and by no meeds should anyone anyone imply that
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Ghost Galaxies and our key Forge Vault tours or organized play are in any way
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impacted. My involvement in key Forge going forward forward will be limited at best.
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I'll be a part of it, just reduced, But I hope you
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all support the game as details emerge. I had hoped to have more Volked
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Little Miss Speller Vault information to share, but alas I don't. There will
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be no key key Forget origins that much I know there will. Still you
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can still find me a gen Con. I'll have tons of an expensive sealed
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decks events gen Con, look up board Crunch when events go live, key
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Forge, Dice Throne, King of Tokyo, ran Land's fire Tower, and
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some custom X one so I've never played, so no, no like.
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This was kind of our our saving saving grace is we know Arthur. I've
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never met Arthur, I've talked to him many many times, UM, and
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he seemed to be like the one. He seemed to be the ordained one,
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right, like he was the one that was going to take it.
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And I know Z and I am right there with you. We fully felt
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Arthur was was the one to get this up and rolling. Yeah, because
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like I said it again, I don't know if it was five or six
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kgo, but we definitely talked to that way. This whole thing about like
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okay, do we think there's me blots? And my whole thing was like
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we knew Arthur was involved, And at that point I was like, Okay,
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I trust him. He runs great events. He he provides a very
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good product. And I was like, okay, UM, no matter when
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they're going to be released, like I can wait for it doesn't matter when
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I'm confident that we'd get to go to the five that they announced and everything
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will be good under the assumption that there was going to be him running all
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of them, right, Like that was my goat too. It was like
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Okay, it's all fine, but like if he's not running it, I
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don't know who would be. Um, I am now more worried than I
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was, because like when we made that prediction, I was like, sure,
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we're gonna have five vaults. It's gonna be fantastic, Bookie. I
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think you said we might have one or two. Dan said one. Um,
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I don't remember what I said, one or two. Dan said.
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I think Dan said one or two. I said one. Yeah. So
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we've actually covered this twice because you know, we saw what we saw the
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website that Arthur had produced. That's a solid investment of time and energy.
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We then saw the change from four to five events in the US, and
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like we're we're very, very excited at this point. But then you know,
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time kept ticking by, and it was posted on our discord, like
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what's happened. We thought we were gonna hear by the end of the week,
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by the end of two weeks, three weeks, and to see this
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news, I know there's a lot of new excitement for rules and for the
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fulfillment, and the fulfillment is exciting, but this news for a competitive group
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that you know, we're running a competitive keyboards podcast, lack of ope is
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really absolutely depressing. And that's the tone of his like messages, both of
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them. I got like mostly a sad vibe, Like I didn't get any
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animosity coming through. Really, It's just more like like this kind of sucks
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for me to kind of vibe like from what he wrote, he didn't write
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much like I definitely like he's been supporting keyboards since the very beginning, like
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he ran Avanta, gin Con and the other words, just like he's always
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been Fuck, he's been consistent, he's been positive for the community. So
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what this lines and again, hopefully I know he invests a lot of time.
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There's other games that are at gen Con and the other cons that he's
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running. But it worries me boys that we're here, and it kept ticking
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further and further, and so that's a communication issue. That's say we're not
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in agreement on what something yes, And so if Arthur, who's been committed
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and willing to go ahead and really help this game and the competitive scene being
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more successful, my faith in us being able to run Vault Tours and being
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able to participate has significantly decreased. Yeah, I mean I was I don't
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know, I was being like somewhat flippant in the chat earlier about like well
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maybe like they their next announcement we get regarding OPE is like okay, Like
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we tried some stuff like from GG and it's just not gonna work out this
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year. We're gonna actually get it right in twenty four, Like I am
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more towards like kind of where Wookie was at one point, like that might
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just be it. Like um, and if they came out and said that
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tomorrow, I think I would probably be more okay with that than just this
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constant lull and waiting. Um would that suck? Yes, But like fine,
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I'm gonna good to play WHOA. I'll play at the the you know,
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do what I want to do with the store level with it. We
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could have local store events, we could run like you know, get some
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kind of product over the next fall through Christmas from them, some kind of
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support just to play in the stores again, and then a slower release or
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something like I don't know if that's where we're at, that's where we're at.
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I just want to know, Like, because if they were going to
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have five vaults between now and worlds, like it is April and assuming you
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want an admit that big, to give people at least two months notice,
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the earliest you would start would be June twenty first at this point. Well,
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but the schedule, Yeah, the schedule had them all in June and
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July. So I think that that schedule has been busted up for a while.
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I do agree with that. I don't even think the end of June
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is feasible at this point. Yeah, and then, like, if you're
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going to have them, they gotta be before Worlds because that's the only way
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we can get the worlds. So if you can't have them, then there's
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no reason to have worlds. If there's have worlds, you don't have nationals.
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So in the end, if this is just not going to happen,
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just tell us now, Like I don't know, all right, I am
26:56
happy that we're going to get the woe, Like I'm very happy with that
27:00
news, but I am, as you know, a competitive player, as
27:03
the main reason that I ever joined the cast, and I show up to
27:07
talk about this stuff like that is pretty just hardening for me. But hey,
27:11
maybe we will still have five vaults run by Gigi. I guess like
27:18
gg would be running them themselves at that point, Like that would be fine,
27:22
Um, but yeah, we would need the dates. I need to
27:23
buy tickets, like all these people that need to request stop work. Yeah,
27:29
like people you know, and if you're talking about summer, I've already
27:32
heard like four or five very competitive players say they are now family booked almost
27:38
the whole summer. So like at this point anything over the summer, they're
27:42
you know, making other arrangements, negotiating with children and wives and you know
27:47
all this stuff that because it looks like I'm in boys, I got a
27:51
chance, I got a chance the true negotiation skills with their children. And
27:56
yeah, this game like like I mean not everyone's like me and has you
28:02
know, three months of you know, PTO time stacked up where I can
28:07
just be like, well, douces them out, you know. I mean
28:10
my Brewers are doing well too, so you know October is going to be
28:12
booked for me. And being a teacher, I'm somewhat lucky in that aspect
28:18
of that is much easier for me to manage. Your summers are off,
28:22
right, Yeah, which is why I went to so many walls in the
28:23
first place. But like all the people I'm talking about are like very serious
28:27
about this game, and at this point, like there's only two maybe three
28:32
weekends period. If they randomly happen to fall on that they even have a
28:36
shot to go to now and it's already and that's assuming we got the announcement
28:41
of the VAUL dates like to date, and that's and that's also that's also
28:45
I mean, yeah, that's five or six very competitive people. That's only
28:48
five or six people, right, like for a larger events that might not
28:52
hit a hundred, Like sure, but you're you're also talking about like,
28:57
okay, so not only do we dates and times and YadA YadA and all
29:02
this, like we need formats Like if it's gonna be alliance, like you
29:04
need time to get your Alliance deck ready. If it's gonna be this,
29:08
you need time, or if it's gonna be ar Con, you need time
29:11
to get your ar Con ready. If it's gonna be sealed, I can
29:12
just shuffle up and play, right Like, I mean, that's that's just
29:15
very easy to show up and be like heyn we must stuff, you know,
29:19
just play. That's a lot easier than if it's all it's gonna be.
29:25
You know, like look at was it was it Collinsville Collinsville right where
29:30
we had like four weeks and it was our con event, right, which
29:34
is already you're like what am I gonna play a single ar con? Okay,
29:38
I gotta figure out what I'm gonna. I mean, For for some
29:41
of you who are very gifted in the amount of decks that you have to
29:45
choose from, it's it's you know, you know, or if you're dare
29:52
yeah and like you know. But for some of us, I'm gonna have
29:56
to like ruffle through my collection and now I gotta figure out, like,
29:59
Okay, well I have good deck, but now it's in French. Am
30:02
I gonna have to brush up on my Francis my best deck? One of
30:06
my best decks right now is a French Worlds Collide deck. At least the
30:11
French language is somewhat decipherable. Like to brother, I took fixed years of
30:17
Spanish in high school. I can't speak a lick. Yeah, but I
30:19
think I'm just gonna learn French in four weeks. Where is that Rosetta?
30:25
This episode brought to you by Rosetta Stone here to recognize what you're looking at,
30:30
right, like my tie deck where everything looks like scribbles to me,
30:33
it just doesn't process in any level fair, But like you know, it's
30:38
it's still a thing to consider because, like I don't want to go and
30:42
be like, oh yeah, does this say this or does this say that?
30:45
Does this reap fight or fight play? You know what I mean?
30:51
Like you don't want to show up like that, and that's you know,
30:52
that brings the game to a screeching halt when you don't know. Also just
30:57
a bad play experience for both parties, like you can't read your own cards,
31:02
and like any time your opponent isn't quite sure what the wording is and
31:06
you say what it is and it's just optimal for you, they have to
31:08
call it judge. Well, not only that, not in the new I
31:11
think on the new rule books, do you have to have English versions and
31:15
they're allowed to reference the Master Vault at any time? Oh yeah, that
31:19
is a change we'll talk about. Yeah, we'll talk about that in later
31:22
three or four major rules effects that will affect competitive play. So we will
31:27
have a whole episode about that for sure, maybe a Patreon episode as far
31:30
as the very specific competitive pieces. So but yeah, like overall all right,
31:37
so let's just ask a question. There's only three of us you walk,
31:41
how many blots do we have this year? With the with the Arthur
31:44
news? Now, hold on, are we saying individual vaults. Are we
31:52
saying like, oh, we're gonna have this and this running simultaneously or whatever
31:56
like they did at celebrations. I'm calling different locations different locations. Yeah,
32:02
yes, yes, if it is a travel to duce up there, that
32:06
is one vault, no matter what happens, even if they have like oh
32:08
it's sealed and our conten there, that is one thing, just like Gin.
32:15
That's that's what I wanted to know. So I know you're gonna love
32:22
this, this tangent. But having done live guys, we turned it around
32:25
in six weeks. Five weeks, Yeah, getting that venue. Don't we
32:31
have more people than they do. I did have it. We did have
32:37
a larger staff, but we were also working for Jos Like this was not
32:43
our job. I mean that was summer for me. I was definitely putting
32:46
in like eighty hour weeks there or whatever. There was a considerable amount of
32:52
time. But that's what worries me most Um, if we don't have if
32:59
there has to be someone that would be in talks right now that has already
33:04
gone ahead, and then even if tomorrow they secured a venue, this worries
33:13
me. I don't I don't want to go ahead and say this Z,
33:20
but I feel that it's not going to happen. I think that we're looking
33:24
at twenty four. Okay, I'm I'm in the same boat. I don't
33:30
think you're having any vaults this year. I went from one to zero.
33:36
I literally yesterday check to see if I could get my money back from my
33:39
flight to gin Cons. Like that's where I'm at really, Like, I
33:44
don't go to gen Con to play board games. Like I love playing board
33:46
games and I have a very dedicated board game group and I can play any
33:50
weekend and we have a blast. I don't need to go to CON's to
33:53
do that. Gen Coon has no draw to me other than the play keyborge,
33:58
and if I need to, I will wait until, like I think,
34:01
on May twenty fifth, I could still cancel the hotel thing without getting
34:07
full charged for it, and then I can get a voucher for my plane
34:10
tickets, which I can use to go to Hawaii next summer, which already
34:14
promised my wife we would do. So I have a plan assuming we hear
34:19
no news by the end, you know, by like May first or whatever.
34:22
Because if we don't hear anything by May first, Like, I don't
34:25
even know how they could possibly have enough vaults to then support the world's Well
34:30
their original plan for vaults, wasn't it all going to happen in like a
34:35
month or two months? Yeah, but they would have to it have announced
34:37
them two months before they started. Yeah, that's where the concerns coming in.
34:43
I mean, not necessarily. I mean we had Colins VELL in four
34:45
weeks, that's fine. If Lion was only six weeks, so they will
34:51
catch more grief than they did for Live. And there are still people complaining
34:54
about I'm sorry, not Live but KFC. And I heard someone complain abou
35:00
o KFC today in our discord, like talk about still being salty window.
35:06
Yeah, well we haven't. That wasn't a real op of it. It
35:09
wasn't a real OOP event. But we do have people who are international who
35:13
just can't get there. And I understand that's that frustrating. Like this was
35:17
a US person like they just like it because of the short window. They
35:22
couldn't get the time off of work and like they were talking, they are
35:23
a dedicated player just like US um because six weeks is six weeks. If
35:29
they announced the first real OP event and say it's six weeks later, like
35:32
they will catch craft for that forever that will never go not think I'll never
35:38
go away, but so I I mean, there's a player and Keefle are
35:46
just still salty that his deck didn't get considered to be the winning deck because
35:51
of the way adapted was back in freaking Barton in Denver. That was two
35:55
thy nineteen. So with your timeline there, z because because my birthday happens
36:02
to fall in the first, you're ten days out, we are six business
36:07
days out. I well, we send to get news on Thursdays and Wednesdays,
36:14
so maybe next Wednesday Thursday we will get involved announced. But it will
36:17
be roughly the twenty six, twenty seven and all will be good. Like
36:22
that is like Christmas time, right Like, I think your biggest problem you're
36:27
gonna face right now is who's going to do it. So I think it's
36:30
gonna come down to Gig doing it. I think that you have a chance
36:34
for it to be run in Minnesota, which I know is going to upset
36:37
some other individuals because you're talking vaults. I'm not talking vaults. I'm staying
36:43
you can run a single event at GG Like basically you can run a single
36:47
event at Roseville. You can go because you have your staff that's there.
36:54
It is a space that you could go ahead and reserve or be able to
36:59
secure fairly easily, because being able to secure a location a venue is a
37:04
problem. Um, I think that you could go ahead and run a sealed
37:07
event there. I don't know that. I don't know the draw that number
37:14
one when though, like, okay, so sealed event. If you're gonna
37:16
do a sealed event, I'm I'm assuming they're gonna want to do Whoa.
37:21
But that's what I'm saying. It has to come out after it's and then
37:23
it would have to be out after its release because there was a whole lot
37:28
of hurt feelings when they're like, we're gonna give Whoa away? And then
37:30
I'm one hundred percent in agreement. I don't think that's going to happen,
37:35
but that that I still think is the best option this year. Like what
37:40
what else do they really haven't I don't know. I'm just saying, like,
37:45
you can't, you can't give Wow away again. I agree with game
37:53
you know, well, it's it's it's it's it's an ugly situation to be
37:59
in. Now. I mean, I don't know what they do. I
38:04
don't think you see any vaults this year. I think Sheep was right when
38:07
we're gonna have a one just just a one hundred percent increase in the amount
38:10
of key for it, sit you're going to be able to play, which
38:14
will be gen Con and then whatever world's because see, worlds are coming here
38:19
at that point, doesn't it, Because like, how can you have a
38:22
world Like if that's what I was saying, If you don't have vaults,
38:24
you don't have worlds. If you don't have worlds, maybe you don't have
38:27
nationals. But they probably already booked the space. Well that I mean still
38:31
becomes a celebration type event for twenty twenty three, and they're still gonna want
38:36
to do something like but this is all speculation, Like we have no ground
38:38
pretty of that right, Like, there's no we have that discussion. If
38:43
we hear that first announcement. Hope, the honest hope truly is before May
38:49
first we actually hear of the op schedule for the summer, Like, I
38:53
just don't see logistically how it could come out that there are vaults be announced
38:58
after that and actually hit any kind of whole time window just between money,
39:02
just how all that we've we've run the events before, running of him before,
39:06
we know how much time that crap takes anytime after that. It's just
39:09
the numbers just don't work because because when you say Gege's gonna run it,
39:14
I'm like, but who I gotta imagine everyone is? I mean, what
39:19
do they have? How many? How many? What are they? We
39:21
count five employees last time we count it. Fire up Jeremy the nomad.
39:25
Get him in like a truck with all the gear. He's just drive from
39:28
city to city. He just living in this weird white van all the ope.
39:32
Next time I'm driving across the country. But like trackers on Google Maps,
39:38
where Jeremy's at right now? That'll be fun. That'll be fun right
39:43
there? Track them located Dak. Where's Ope gonna be this week? I
39:49
don't know where's Jeremy at? Oh? Look did Chicago? I know I
39:53
know, Wookie that you said finding a deck. I do think with the
39:58
hiatus and all this time off, I do think that most people could go
40:01
ahead and grab a deck fairly quickly and be able to show up for our
40:06
kind. I have a lot more faith than that. I just don't know
40:09
who's running it, and I don't know where an event would be. Well,
40:13
I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to
40:15
you if you came to me and said there was an ARCon event let's just
40:20
say in Illinois, which is basically our backyard. I don't know if I
40:24
go. I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't know if I go.
40:29
And why is that? Because I can't compete in our con? So
40:34
You're asking me to spend a lot of time, money, and effort to
40:37
go to an event to keep my teeth kicked in. I'm sorry that,
40:42
as much as I love key Forge, doesn't sound like a ton of fun
40:45
to me. If it's sealed, I go because I always have a shot
40:50
and sealed right, Any given Sunday and sealed, that's the sealed is literally
40:54
that any given Sunday, anybody can do well at any time. You can
40:59
pull that good and you can do that thing. Um So what I'm going
41:02
to show up with my eighty three sas deck and just get completely outclassed.
41:07
So I'm going to spend money, spend money to just get completely outclassed.
41:15
I don't know if that's the best use of my money, you know what
41:21
I mean, hang out with me. I get to hang out with you,
41:23
and I would love to, but I at that point i'd be like,
41:29
Hey, let's meet at the local Chicago bar. Well maybe not the
41:31
bar, Maybe you and I go to Denny's. I don't know. But
41:36
yet my point like I can meet you down there. But like, I
41:39
mean, you're talking money for a hotel, money for to get forty fifty
41:45
bucks to enter the event, right I mean, I'm sure they're gonna want
41:49
some sort of fee for me to play play their game. You know,
41:54
I don't. I don't think you're getting in under a hundred right now.
41:58
I think one hundred is where i'd be seeing, like just because if you
42:01
think about the sealed events or the different events, like even what we had
42:06
charged for live and we tried to make it reasonable, I think that a
42:10
hundred is what you're looking at. Fort entry fee, entry fee, to
42:15
bring my own deck? Are you being serious with me? Usual, I'm
42:24
not paying one hundred dollars to bring my own stuff. There better be there
42:29
better be a sack lunche provided at that po I'm saying, if you're looking
42:32
at for a longer period of time. I don't know. I think that
42:37
Okay, if you had played live and we're giving you your three decks plus
42:39
an archon, I think that is what I want to my entry fee for,
42:45
like the big like the package that was the set of events which I
42:49
was bringing my own stuff for, it was one hundred dollars, like I
42:52
think, like, yeah, but you're also talking about you are getting things
42:57
at FAB that you could then sell online to you know, at least recoup
43:01
some of that cost. You're not getting one LSS actually factored that into their
43:07
pricing level. No, probably not, but like pricing times in your brain
43:12
like remember like my soda costs double what it used to. Okay, fine,
43:16
but even then you go to anything, any event anywhere, for a
43:20
major year event and pay under like a hundred dollars. Now, question for
43:25
you, did you get sealed stuff at FAB for the hundred dollars? I
43:30
think you probably open but eight eight dollars and packed worth like one deck equivalent.
43:37
Yeah, but a draft event yeah, like one of them was a
43:43
draft which was three packs. That's eight bucks. Three packs is more than
43:47
eight bucks or twelve whatever. It's not much one deck work. I'm sorry,
43:54
I'm just I cannot pay one hundred dollars. Like Wookie, you know
44:00
decks are going to cost thirteen dollars. I understand that. Yes, I
44:04
know decks are gonna cost thirteen dollars. Thank you, No, I remember
44:07
that. But like again, I'm not. I know your ears to buying
44:12
them for one now, like wow, this is true. But still that's
44:19
that. That is a lot for a game that just asked me to,
44:23
you know, basically fund whatever it is that they just had something come out
44:28
for. I think the funding from game found is a separate entity versus that's.
44:34
That's fine, that and that is perfectly fine. But I'm sorry,
44:37
I'm not, I mean, not actually underpriced the thirteen product. Like we
44:40
talked about the well right, it was you were basically buying discounted decks.
44:45
Yes, but I hate to say, I don't know if fab is one
44:50
hundred dollars or not. I'd have to look into it. But it was
44:52
what I went. I went to two callings, both of them were one
44:57
hundred dollars. It paid for the events that I wanted to and then I
45:00
bought another package to pay in playing more sealed type events. Which I did
45:06
very well in, which is where I actually so, I actually want all
45:08
of the stuff that I sold for money, basically on the non premier part
45:13
of the event. As far as all that goes, I don't know.
45:19
You're talking about FABS a much larger game too, So where does supply and
45:22
demand I guess reach on that. I don't know. Well, larger at
45:29
the time or large, still larger. It was larger than it's it's still
45:35
larger today. So you think that it was larger early on, Noah,
45:40
when z was playing what was that about a year ago? Now? Yeah,
45:46
yeah, it was. It was a larger game than KeyForge. I'm
45:51
comparing it to KeyForge, not itself like FAB that is a larger game than
45:54
KeyForge. No, and I know this is one of the topics that i'd
45:58
propose of. Honestly, I'll be on a percent us and it'll be booted
46:01
off. This this cast very very quickly, but with two girls and a
46:07
wife who is interested, I have invested more time. As we're waiting and
46:10
kind of me dropping out. Um, I will be at gen Con,
46:15
and I will be there, not necessarily for board games, but I'm gonna
46:17
go ahead and play some board games. I have a friend who's into minis,
46:22
but I'm also going to be picking up some more Kana, and I've
46:23
invested a lot more. I've actually listened to more Larkhana with the excitements and
46:29
their rules sets and their OP and that is where I'd like to be able
46:34
to in the future, be able to have an honest chat about what some
46:37
other games they're doing, from FAB to l What is Larkana doing right now?
46:42
I don't I know, we know what Fab's doing. I have no
46:44
I did not hear anything about Larkana's OP structure. Yeah, there, that's
46:49
a whole nother side conversation that we'll go down um for longer than five minutes.
46:54
Okay, and I have that, But maybe that's a Patreon shouldn't dig
46:59
two because again I did not see anything at all. Well, and you
47:02
said, now right, like hold up, Paul's actually got a real number.
47:07
Congratulations, audience, you get a number. February ninth, twenty twenty
47:10
three. The calling there in somewhere Indianapolis, which is just a calling,
47:16
which isn't there like worlds or nationals or whatever. It was four hundred and
47:21
eighty one players, right, and similar Couble the biggest we ever got.
47:28
I got gin Con. So like, FAB is still bigger, even though
47:31
like people talk about FAB being like in its decline, it is still bigger
47:36
right now than Keyboards ever was by a lot. Yeah, I guess I
47:40
didn't realize it was that large. That's interesting. When I went to the
47:44
calling I went to, there were six hundred players there, like so yeah,
47:50
it's declined from six hundred a year ago to four hundred and eighty one.
47:53
It was like that niche market which is the same people like I saw
47:58
a lot of the same freaking people police like you Bord when I went like,
48:01
that is our market. It is doing much better at securing players than
48:07
our market ever did well. And you're talking about a company that has put
48:13
a lot of money into making sure their product is And I was recently listening
48:19
to a FAB thing. I don't know if it's a podcast or if it
48:22
was just a random YouTube video. But upon their estimation, and this is
48:28
again this is probably about six months ago now, upon fab estimation, this
48:36
is the ls They're only in thirty three percent of game stores across America.
48:43
Yeah, I believe it. There are there are places I've seen that don't
48:45
run at all, and then there's places that still run it all the time.
48:50
You are talking about stunt over a magic Now you can go to you
48:54
can go to most game stores and they have a FAB night and people show
49:01
up, right, because it's consistent there a lot, like there's a bunch
49:07
of stores that have that game night, so it's like six different stores that
49:12
have eight people, whereas like you might be lucky if your whole damn city
49:15
has any store that fires keyboarder, right. And and the biggest thing I'm
49:21
saying to that is it comes down to again, I think it really honestly
49:25
comes down to the prising. Like a lot of the stuff they're giving away,
49:31
it's just LSS is very interactive with the stores and the vendors as far
49:38
as what the players want to see in the kits that they offer, and
49:44
basically everything in those kits sells real money. Like when I quit FAB,
49:51
we quit at like a zero sum and we still actually have enough to go
49:54
be competitive, So like we technically made money playing that game, Like like
50:00
my basically my brother and me, like we made enough money to pay for
50:05
our travel fees every single card we bought, and we came out at like
50:08
a zero sum, no cost to us, and we still have the cards
50:13
to play the game if we wanted to go continue doing that. But in
50:15
the end, it's actually a really boring easy game, so I would never
50:20
go back to it. Like, it's much much more simple than KeyForge,
50:24
and like I can, like people get pissed off and I tell them who's
50:28
gonna win the game and keyboard after like turn five, Like imagine doing that
50:31
unturned two. That's what FAB is. It's much more mathematical. If you
50:37
understand their deck completely and your deck completely, you will know who's going to
50:42
it really really soon. FAB is a very much a matchup game, much
50:45
much like KeyForge. Just you know, all all your old Hymn decks are
50:51
the same, all of your x that you know, name name another hero
50:57
deck, you know whatever Dracai now is, it's the same. Jab.
51:00
I don't need a deck list. I know it's in their deck, right.
51:02
Oh, that's what you have, that's your gear. This is what
51:06
your cards are. If you don't have these cards, good for me,
51:08
because that means it probably sucks. Right. So it's a much different story.
51:15
But I mean, op is one of those things that is going I
51:17
mean again, we don't We've talked about we don't understand. We don't know
51:22
what market they're after and what they're going for, and it's the tale of
51:28
two different stories. I really feel like there's this there's this feel that they
51:32
don't want to go after the high end competitive player and they want to do
51:37
more of a casual thing. But then they're like, hey, we're going
51:42
to do cash prizing for competitive stuff, and it's like, well, what
51:47
lane are you in, Like, are you in the competitive lane where you
51:52
want to become more competitive and competitive play is something that you are looking at
51:57
or are you aiming yourself more towards the casuals Because I feel like at some
52:00
point in time they're gonna have to pick a lane, and it just like
52:06
seems like they don't, they have no interest in doing that. Whatsoever?
52:08
Is that me or does do you all feel the same? I mean,
52:15
I know what I hoped when they announced what they announced at KFCUM. I
52:22
unlike what was said in one of our chat one day, which was basically,
52:25
you shouldn't believe anything that like CEOs ever say, which is one don't
52:29
believe anything from the head of the company ever says, don't Like I mean,
52:32
I am cynicals sometimes, but like I am not that way. I
52:37
do believe that like Gig had a plan for it, and like everything can
52:45
go to shit sometimes and that's actually okay, that that is real life.
52:50
We all experienced COVID, we all know very well things can go to crap
52:54
uncontrollably. But if that's the case, like I said earlier, like just
52:59
tell and say, hey, this sucked. This is what's going on.
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We're going to have some fun with what the events we already had schedule.
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We're gonna throw some fun events out there just to have fun this year,
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and we're gonna do ope for real next year, and like hopefully we give
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you all something fun to come to and enjoy kind of like KFC the rest
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of the year. I would be perfectly fine with that. Just let us
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know now, like right now tomorrow, I don't know if i'd be fine
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with that. I get worry, I get what you're saying. I just
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at some point, I wonder, like, you know, at what point
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does the rubber hit the road, At what point do people start to go,
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you know what, enough, I've had enough and we're talking, we've
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already had those people, like there's so many people who have laughed, it
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just continues. Wiki. That's a problem because when the more people, I
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mean, you're losing people that you kind of just figured. And I don't
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remember if it was Sheep or Zee who said it, like, oh,
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you're degenerates. He'll be back, You're going to be back any day now.
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And I said that Dan and me are just stupid. We're fanatics are
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the word. And I do to be here playing keyboards until the very very
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ended, maybe even after as like after like, but that's because I actually
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love, like I this is the first game, Like I actually enjoy the
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way the mechanics are, enjoy the I do enjoy that very and swingy thing
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and like that. It's that that wild beast that I know can't actually be
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tamed, but I'm gonna hunt for it a way to get better and better
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and better. Knowing that there's no perfect in this game. Knowing that I
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can walk into a game like I did this week and have a clear advantage
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at that point in the game where it's like turn ten and still my opponent
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found a way to win, Like that is exciting to me and makes it
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way more complex than other games. Um and their deck can be something you've
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never seen before. There's still stuff I've played way more games and kep so
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that I probably should have that. I'll watch a game, I'll play a
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game and I see something happens like I've literally never seen that interaction happened.
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That is amazing, Like no other game can give me that me that aspect
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that I'm aware of, So I'm going to keep playing. This leads in
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the topic that I already had it in the chat, but we can we
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can go through that a different day. I don't want to horse. We've
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got fun. We have some fun rules up to talk to whether it ends
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up being an ACE episode or our next cast. Well, you know what,
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I think it's going to be our next cast because we are already at
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fifty five minutes, so we can do another episode. We can probably you
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know what, I'm off all weekend? Boys, I have a weekend off.
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What do you say about that? I am actually available? Saving Jay?
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Are what you're doing this weekend? I'm at a soccer tournament. All
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right? Never mind, you have fun to their soccer tournament. I think
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you have a soccer tournament dance capic. I don't know, try scores doing
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I am. I am actually like I was like, holy crap, I
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got a weekend. It got done, and it's actually looking like I'm gonna
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get this weekend off. I'm actually pretty excited because I haven't had a weekend
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off in two actually, besides Kansas City and and celebration, like just having
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a weekend off at home with the family, I have not had in a
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long time. So I'm excited for that. I think that with hopefully there's
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news and hopefully it goes ahead and changes. If not, we can go
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ahead and easily talk about rules. There's so much information that came out.
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We're gonna go the rules. Don't worry. There's plenty of time I think
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what we need to do, especially because I don't I don't know how other
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podcasts have done it. But there's a lot of like quote unquote new rules
56:47
that I don't know where our new rules or just like more clarifications of things
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we already knew. Yeah, a lot of the red text is just stuff
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that got moved from the ratas and into the rule up into the rule book
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itself. We will go over on our cast all the stuff that is actually
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due, and I will put that in the sheet. I think I know
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what is actually due. Um. But then there's some actually more competitive stuff
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we can focus on. I'm not sure what Jerry is saying to us,
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but okay, I mean to wrap it up. Time to wrap it up,
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So guys, you got anything before we get out of here? Only
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a couple more weeks until May. So the end of May, boys,
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it is. It is fast approaching, and it's gonna be May. I
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think that WOA is a ton of fun to play, so I am very
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very excited about that. Um. Outside of that, I'm ready to open
57:45
more news. Bring us some good news. Gg, I'm ready to open
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more mediocrity. Yeah. I have love playing Wow the wold that I've had,
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so I am excited to get to play new decks, experienced new new
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tricks of the trade. A little bit bummed about the Arthur's role in our
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future for key Forge, and just want to know more. But we love
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Arthur. We love you. Arthur's fantastic. We're sending you, We're sending
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you Internet hugs. Right, It's fine, I'm still giving you internet hugs.
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Sounds good. You can't stop me. Look forward to playing key Forge
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at a high level whenever that may be, whether it is this year or
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next, And don't forget to join us Sunday Sealed, Tuesday Arkon with Graph,
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Wednesday's Sealed. I've been streaming a lot of the events. I haven't
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been making it home in time to get to Hiram Graph's Arkon, but I
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have been home in time to play that sealed on Sunday, and I've been
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having a ton of fun with the boys. You know, I'll come on
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in play with us. We're we're on TCO. I'm I'm having a blast
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over there still to this day. It's fun just getting with people. I'm
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talking so shooting the breeze right. So thank you all so much for listening.
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Thanks everybody in the live chat for joining us this week, and we'll
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see y'all next week. May the Fords be with you.