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Mental Health Revolution · Pete Vs Anxiety!!!!!

• peter: ⁓ but Pete: Welcome into another exciting episode of Pete First Anxiety. Welcome to season four of Pete for Anxiety. Actually, everybody, want to welcome you in for the fourth season of things. Thank you so much for being here for this long. As always, let's give a shout-out to my partners from PsychPal. link will be in the description. If you guys want to try it out for your seven-day trial, use Pete at ⁓ checkout to get 20% ⁓ the first month, because I argued for 20% ⁓ you. With that being said, let me introduce my guest today. First, I have a psychiatric nurse practitioner. Ever wish you had someone to talk to anytime, anywhere, matter what you're going through? Meet PsychPAL, your 24-7 AI companion, designed to help you process your thoughts, calm your mind, and keep you moving forward. Chat anytime during a panic attack on a restless night or just when you need to vent. Prefer talking instead of typing? Try voice journaling. 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Boom. our second guest is a faith-led mental health centered thought leader helping women build success through losing themselves. ⁓ grounded in in the belief that clarity and emotion, well-being, and spiritual alignment are the true foundation of sustainable leadership. Please welcome the creator of the soft, simple CEO, the one, the only, the Keisha Mosley. Thank you so much for both you ladies being here today. LaKisha Mosley: Okay. Pete: So ladies do you wanna l let everybody know a little bit more about yourself, maybe Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Thank you, Pete, for having us and it's good to see you again in the future. LaKisha Mosley: Yep, staying here, Tana. Pete: Right. Well ladies, did you want to go ahead and let everybody know a little more about yourselves? LaKisha Mosley: Sure. Tony, you wanna go first? Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Sure. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, I'm a nurse practitioner specializing in psychiatry, like you said, Pete. Been having a great time doing that. ⁓ it was, you know, I've just I ne my career is something I I never expected, never saw coming, never expected to have a career in mental health, didn't expect i to even to even be interested in it, and ended up not only being interested but loving it. I I started out, I was just gonna do one day a week of it, and I was gonna work at a primary care office the other days. And I started at that one day a week, and I ended up doing that full time and saying, never mind, to the primary care office. And I fast forward, I'd been doing that for five and a half years, and I learned about this device, this tool that for the mental health tool that's been out for decades that I never knew about, and it's incredibly impactful and effective. But Pretty much unknown in the psychiatric community. And that was so confusing to me and unacceptable that I ended up starting a whole other separate company called Nirovana, which promotes those devices, trying to make them more well-known essentially, because it's they're so effective that I they they need to be out there. People need to know about them. So that's what Nirovana does. And then that eventually led me to meeting Lakeisha. Amanda Landes: that I had been kind of like since head for a while about about writing the story because Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: too, because ⁓ I'll let her, you know, tell her story, but she had actually used this mental health tool and found it very impactful for herself. And so we've found that ⁓ our missions and purposes are very aligned and we have a great time doing some of our things together. Pete: Well, Lakeisha, why don't you tell me a little about yourself as well? LaKisha Mosley: Well, thank you. So I am a thought leader ⁓ around mental ⁓ wellness. I came up with the Soft Simple CEO after my breakdown, actually back in November 2025. And so what the Soft Simple CEO is, is a faith-based mental wellness led framework for leaders. And I what I do is I help women, high achieving women, really redefine what success is for them using mental health and faith as a foundation, but also how to build it sustainably. And not just business but life. As Tana said that I actually use the device, it's not very far from me ever, ever. ⁓ because it is a part of one of the principles that I have actually built into the Soft Simple CEO, which is regulation before strategy. And so I'm just excited to be here ⁓ to talk with both of you. Pete: well that's awesome. Like, you know, and it it's great that, you know it that you're using something that not a lot of people even know about. You know, when Tana found it, she was like, Hey, why are we not using this? Which is a lot of things. It's really interesting to find a lot of subjects that people don't even talk about. I didn't even know what it was until I I I came across the profile and I was like, Wait, what is this? This is kind of an interesting little device. So how did you find it though? Was it something that you were given or something you found yourself? Yes. LaKisha Mosley: Who me? ⁓ well yes, I was found. ⁓ Connor's ⁓ sister found me on Instagram as someone who works in the mental health space and it was just a blessing to be introduced to Tana and get to know Kara even better because it's it's okay to talk about nervous system regulation. ⁓ okay to talk about we have to do the resets. But all the time does meditate not all the time does meditation help. ⁓ all the times does journaling help taking a walk. All of those things don't always help in a vacuum. So this device allows me to do those very things but do it in a very I want to say quicker way. Pete: Mm-hmm. LaKisha Mosley: I use it when I'm driving in my car. If I know there's a long commute, I live in Houston, y'all. A 20-minute ride can be an hour ride. Okay. That gives me anxiety. That gives me anxiety. If I know that I'm about to have a very kind of maybe hard conversation, this device allows me to regulate before I go into that conversation. Why? Because now I'm thinking clearer. There's clarity that comes around that. I'm regulated. So I talk and speak and act. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Well. Pete: Yeah, yeah. LaKisha Mosley: from a space of regulation, not from overwhelm, not from panic, not from fear. So it was a blessing for me to be able to get to know them and actually have the device as a tool that I use. Pete: That's awesome though. I mean, like you said, you know, there are all the other tools you can use, but you know, you you're like sometimes those don't work. And I mean that's okay. That's why you have multiple tools in your belt because you want to have different things you can use. You know, Tana can probably e agree to that too, because she works in the psychiatric field itself. You know, she's seen a lot of these things, learned a lot of these things probably and and and stuff like that, you know, and and that's great though. And I know that the two of you ladies have done a lot of work together recently. ⁓ I know she said she attended a s a summit you had or a speaking event or something like that, which is really cool to see though. LaKisha Mosley: Right. Pete: 'Cause I love it when you have two people that already know each other, so it doesn't make it really awkward when the three of us are sitting here talking, you know? LaKisha Mosley: Right. Pete: Listen, so I I lived I lived in Houston for Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, well Lakeisha's hard to not like make a friend. Pete: ⁓ no, go Todd, I'm sorry. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. There's a little bit of a delay in the sound. I apologize for that. To know Lakeisha is for her to be a friend because she's so she's so open and you know, like I don't I don't think she meets someone who isn't it doesn't end up being her friend by the end of the conversation. Pete: No, you could go right ahead. LaKisha Mosley: Thank you, Tyler. Pete: It yeah, she gives off that vibe right away, man. Very bubbly, very inviting to a conversation. Be that person that come up to you and just start talking about random things, you know. I do the same thing with people too. I'll just I could talk to everybody. I've been doing this for god god 250 episodes now, you know, in and things like that. And it's just like i the conversation is always interesting because when you get into it, you know, you don't know where these are gonna lead. Some of these conversations that went zero to a thousand right off the bat, you know, depending on what LaKisha Mosley: Yeah. Pete: What you're talking about, you know, and and things like that. So my question to both you ladies though is this mental health a big thing in your families? Do other people you know have mental health issues? Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Well, you know, I would say ⁓ it's in it's I yes, it's it's in my family some. I think I've had this same struggle that a lot of parents have. I had ⁓ a a couple of kids, especially a daughter who has struggled with anxiety in particular, just anxiety so much. And it made raising her uniquely challenging and especially since like I I didn't I did not know a lot about mental health. I personally did not have a lot of those struggles and it was not something that I was able to understand or even recognize. So I have a lot of regrets. I don't I don't judge myself for it because I was doing the best I could with what I knew, but I didn't know a lot. And so if if I had known then what I know now, I could have helped her so much sooner than I did. And one of the things about this particular mental health tool that really kind of chaps me a little bit is that hey, this has this tool has had FDA clearance since 1979. It is incredibly effective for exactly the problem that she was having every night. If I had known about it then, her evenings and mine could have been a lot less stressful. I didn't know about it. I was doing the best I could with the knowledge, tools, resources I had at the time. But now that I know about it, I I feel a responsibility to make it available to other people to use. And it's incredibly rewarding to see how impactful it is, even you know, just even for Lake for Lakeisha, but so many people. Like I I'm still a full-time practicing ⁓ psychiatric provider, and I see it all day, every day in my office. You know, I I keep one in my office, it's it's always right there. And to see it be so helpful for so many people, it's just it's just it's fun. I'm having a great time. Pete: True, true. Would you would you say it's probably because it's not a part of Big Pharma's plan? I mean, because you know, like a lot of people s always want to push medicine and versus this not being a medical like this not being medicine per se. This is being just a device that actually helps them, which not a lot not without any side effects really, you know, because it's a device that that's worked for so long. Why do you feel like people haven't really talked about it much? Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, that's a great question. I you know, I I I I can't say for sure. I will say that the pharmaceuticals have dominated the conversation. And, you know, and I'm not anti medication. Let's let's not make a mistake. I I'm a prescriber. I prescribe medications all day long, and I'm happy to do it. I'm not anti medication. I'm pro options. I'm pro, hey, letting people know what their options are. Medications have their time in place. I'm happy to prescribe. Like I said, I do it all the time. But something that I there's a Pete: Mm-hmm. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Key difference. There's so many conversations that I just simply don't have to have regarding this device. When I'm prescribing, I'm always asking people about the side effects, the weight gain, sexual side effects, the, you know, allergic to it, you know, the refills, ⁓ you know, just dangers of taking too much, you know, don't combine with this med and that med. We don't even need to have that conversation with this. And another key difference is Okay, the safety profile, there's no comparison. They they don't even belong belong in the same conversation. But also the effective, like the success rate. SSRIs are kind of like they're at the forefront of mental health medications. They have, say, like a 45 to 55% success rate. And the metric for success is if the patient improves 50% or more, that's considered a success. Okay, so we're gonna use that same metric across the board. SSRIs. Forty five to fifty five percent. Sixty seven percent. using that same metric, but also I mean so it already outperforms there, okay? But when you factor in all of those other things that just aren't something we even have to think about, the the gap is is huge. It's huge. So it makes sense that anyone who does have a financial interest in pushing one strategy over another would want to keep that one invisible. and like I said, I don't have anything against medications. I think meditation's great, prayer is great. grounding grounding exercises, breathing exercises, meditation, journaling, all those things are wonderful. Wonderful. I encourage all of that. Counseling, wonderful. This just it needs to be on the list. It has earned its place on that list, just as good, if not better, than everything on that list. Pete: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not against medications. They have their place where they're necessarily needed, ⁓ and things like that. It's just interesting that this is so sick the the rate of it is so high, but no one talks about it is really shocking. So ⁓ Lakeisha, back to you though, with the question of does mental health run in your family? LaKisha Mosley: Yes, honely, it does. And I will tell you ⁓ what maybe a lot of people don't consider. ⁓ in my culture, in the black culture, we don't talk about mental health a lot. ⁓ our fix has always been go to church and pray about it. You don't have enough faith. ⁓ and as a preacher's kid, for me, that was always kind of a catch-22. My grandmother actually had two nervous breakdowns. No one ever talked about that. My aunt had depression for years, severe depression for years. No one ever talked about that. I think my mom drank a lot because she had a level of depression that maybe she couldn't put into terms, and it literally killed her. ⁓ and so in coming into this space, ⁓ by Accident, quote unquote, not something that I actually wanted to do. And then me having two breakdowns myself and having conversations with my aunt, who is now the only sibling because my mom is deceased. Now I'm like, y'all knew and didn't even say nothing. Like, we never had these conversations about what a nervous breakdown was where my grandmother was actually hospitalized, like all of these things. My aunt was like going to a therapist and getting medication. Like none of these things were talked about ever. And so for me, when I had the first breakdown, that's when the educational piece came, I was talking to my children about what this is. Pete: Mm-hmm. LaKisha Mosley: And why we need to be doing it, regardless of what the culture says, and then my daughter actually knowing like, yeah, now she has anxiety and there are things that she has to do. To make sure she takes care of herself when she's going into certain situations. I think my son may be struggling with some things himself that he just is not ready to admit. But you know, the prayer is he gets that revelation at some point, but now it is a forefront conversation in my household and anyone who's around me. ⁓ we're talking about it. Pete: That's awesome. So how old is your son, man, if you don't mind me asking? LaKisha Mosley: He's twenty seven. Pete: Okay, so ⁓ with the suicide rates in men, are you concerned that he may he may go that route? 'Cause you said he you think he may be dealing with something. Is that one of your biggest concerns right now with with the rates that we're looking at? Eighty percent overall every year are mostly men, you know, all the statistics that you constantly see being in this space, obviously. Is that a big concern of yours? LaKisha Mosley: Right. Right. Absolutely a concern of mine. ⁓ he has not exhibited what we say the telltale signs, but then we don't know. We don't know. We've seen people be happy. Pete: Mm-hmm. Exactly. LaKisha Mosley: One minute and five minutes later they go and they die by suicide. So it's definitely a concern of mine. The conversation has been ⁓ to kind of ease into things with him, but also be very firm because this is a life or death situation. And so I can't be quiet about it, but I also have an amazing tribe of men who I feel like sow into him, pour into him as well, but it is definitely a concern. Pete: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Ton Tanya, d what do you what is your thoughts on this though? With the rates of being eighty percent, do you do you have any advice from your point of view of like ways people start these conversations without making it feel so uncomfortable? went to doing like pre-recordings. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, well, I mean, I think having the conversations and making creating spaces where it's okay to have those conversations can go a long way. Just, you know, letting it be known that that that's okay. Hey, it's okay to talk about that here. And ⁓ you know, and I lakeisha in particular, she does a good job of that. Like she knows she she's a she's an event planner and so she's out front and she's you know, she's kind of a gatherer of people, be around a lot of people. And I will say, so like Pete: Mm-hmm. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: I I made for Lakeisha like a specially branded one. That's why hers looks different than mine. But if you see Lakeisha at her own event, yeah, hers says got your calm on and it's got like it's it's ⁓ bedazzled, you know, because you you know, you've met her, you know why it had to be that way, right? Like she needed us that one a little extra. But if you if if you see Lakeisha at her event, ⁓ she I actually made her a little way to like wear it. Pete: Well, it's really cool though. Right, exactly. Exactly. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: On her body, and she's walking around, she's she's running the show, but she's wearing that, you know, and so she's modeling herself. Hey, you know, we're gonna we're gonna show up, we're gonna take care of business, we're gonna get things done, I'm gonna, you know, I'm she's you know, telling people what to do, leading, but she's looking after her own mental health in that process, and without maybe even thinking about it, maybe she has, but she is modeling, hey. We acknowledge mental health in this space. And those things go that goes a long, a long, long way. And I think that we're getting better about doing that than we used to be. but that we still have a lot of work to do. And she mentioned some uniqueness about ⁓ this specific culture, and some cultures are doing ⁓ better about making it mental health an okay topic than others. And so I appreciate her leadership within the black community also making it okay to talk about it there. Pete: That's awesome though. I I appreciate you all being so honest about everything. Lakeisha, especially you sharing that information about your mom. I'm so sorry to hear that, you know, she had gone through that. But, you know, the ways mental health have changed over the years, though, it's it's getting better and the conversation's getting easier for everybody to start talking about it more. ⁓ you know, I think that this conversation right here is powerful in its own right mind because, you know, we're talking about it. you know, more than we have ever before. You know, people are are opening more spaces like mine, you know. In and other people I meet, a lot of people like get into this space too, are all asking me how it is, you know, I I got into it, you know, and things like that too. And I did it for my own self, you know. At first I was doing this, you know, like, all right, well I know these people aren't talking about it. Doctors are talking about it. But we're so regular people just having conversations. Like, you know, I'm not trained. Lakeisha's not trained. You know, we're just out here talking about these kind of things. So, you know. was was it hard bringing the conversation up first? I mean, I know a lot of people push back in these spaces and go, ⁓ well, you're crazy when you start sharing your own stories. LaKisha Mosley: My story is kind of unique how I even got into this space. ⁓ initially, I got into this space around a really pivotal time. It was 2020. We had Black Lives Matter Matters going on. We had Joyce Floyd going on, and we were in the middle of a doggone pandemic. I mean, we couldn't go anywhere, we couldn't do anything. And so we were at a very pivotal time, I will say. And so I started a series called Racism in Black America. And I used I had different industries. And the last one was mental health. And that one was explosive. From there, I got all these DMs like, hey, we need this conversation to keep going. I didn't see I haven't seen so many black people talking about mental health. Like, we need to keep this conversation going. And from there, I birthed an event called My Mind Is My Business, which kind of was so gracious in coming and being a huge Supporter of the event, but it's been going since 2020. That was when the conversation like initially started. At that time, I didn't know that I had anything mental health going on, but it was so intriguing to me that there was so many people that were hurting at this time. And it took a doggone pandemic for us to see that silence was not always golden, that silence brought out demons and things that we were not aware of. But we needed a safe space to land to be able to have the conversation. And so for me, it was like, okay, let's do it. Let's let's keep doing this. And then I had my first breakdown in 2022. With all the resources, Pete and Tana, with all the connections, I still have a breakdown. So it doesn't matter what's in your repertoire. It matters are you using them and do you feel safe to use them and what capacity can you use them? So it wasn't really hard. After that breakdown, I decided that I didn't want any other person, especially in the entrepreneurial space, to feel like they were alone. To feel like they could sit in a bed and decide that they wanted to die by suicide or that if something happened to them, that it was just okay. Like if I'm no longer here, ⁓ life could be good for everyone else. And so I started to have these conversations. I did go get some certifications, mental health first aid, ⁓ both youth and adult. I decided to get involved with Nami. And so I wanted to put in the work around mental health, but also advocacy. I'm in a state that doesn't really do much with mental health. Texas is huge, but we don't do a lot around mental health. And so that was what I decided that I wanted to do and to keep the conversation ongoing. So I do get backlash a lot of times from people who look like me, a lot of times from the Christian and faith-based communities, I get a lot of backlash, but I don't care. I'm still gonna keep talking about it. And one thing I will say, being a preacher's kid and actually knowing the Bible and the word myself, I can intelligently have conversations with people who say, well, this isn't biblical, or you're not faithful enough. I just bring out what scripture says about it, or even characters in the Bible who I feel like have struggled with some form of mental health. Pete: I love that though. I love that how you tie in faith like that, but you know, you're not, you know, you how you're running some of those people that kind of like force it on you, but you're not doing that. You're just like, okay, well, let me compare this for you. And you're bringing out comparison figures of like, ⁓ well, you know, hey, listen, these people in the Bible dealt with it, you know, these are the kind of things, you know, this isn't my this is the way I feel about it, you know. You're not like, hey, you have to believe this and I love that. I I love it. I think I think faith has its place in everything. I think that's so it's the way you present it to people. LaKisha Mosley: Yeah. Exactly. Pete: You know, it doesn't God doesn't have to be the higher power. It could be whatever higher power you choose to be up there, you know what I'm saying? ⁓ and things like that too. You know, and and Tanya being in the space, she she probably hears a lot of this. So so so Tanya, so the question to you as well is is is it hard when bringing these topics up? I mean, your work in the space itself, so you probably have a better better way of bringing it up to people because you have more facts than we would though. LaKisha Mosley: Right. Right. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, I mean, so working in psychiatry, ⁓ by the time people go to psychiatry, they've usually accepted that they, you know, they've come help sp specifically seeking help for s for psych you know, for mental health. ⁓ w in other spaces medically that I was working at, like primary care and different places, it that was not the case. A lot of times people thought that it was not a mental health issue. They thought it was something else. ⁓ a moment in particular that I can think of is when I was working ⁓ in in a primary care office and a woman came in ⁓ saying saying like she was explaining like cardiac type symptoms. And I was asking her all the questions about you know assessing the situation and one of the questions I asked her was, Do you have a history of anxiety? And she's like, ⁓ no, no, no, no, no, this this is not mental, this is physical. And I said, ⁓ I know it is. It's anxiety is as a very physical experience. ⁓ and and that I realized, gosh, so many people don't get that. They think that it's that like that they're not the same thing. You know, emotions often usually they'll show up physically before the brain has chance to think about what's happening, you know. I mean, you think about it, like, you know, my husband sometimes just a mess with me. He'll come into a room and like startle me, you know. And And I know that I'm safe. I'm not afraid of my husband, you know, but my body is gonna react. My your body is gonna react first and ask questions later, right? My body responds before I even process what had happened. That is a thing that is completely missed by a lot of people. and that was something that's kind of what drew me to mental health because my interest really was not about. Pete: Mm. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: emotion emotional connecting and and talking about feelings. That was not my interest. My interest was was mostly on those physical things that we're talking about. And then I I saw how much people didn't see that the mental health was so embedded in that. Like they were the just completely we woven together. And that is what initially kind of ⁓ sparked my interest. In looking at mental health is saying, gosh, like the mental health of the person has such an impact on their ability to heal from the physical impairment that hospitalized them or had them seek care. But it's completely overlooked by everyone in the treatment plan, including the patient. And so bringing awareness back to that was probably what initially sparked my interest in mental health. Pete: Yeah. Yeah. No, I get that though too. You know, when I like I said, when I looked into space originally, I was I was when I started this whole podcast, I was like, I wonder what people are talking about it. And you know, a lot of doctors were all I'll respect all the doctors out there talking about things, you know, but I like, Where's the real conversation happening? Like, where are there's people just talking about things? You know, and that's when I started this thing and it was it it evolved into what it is now is just Real honest conversation. Like people can come in this space and they've told me some wild stories of some things. And I don't judge anybody because it's like this is your story. Like, you know, I'm not here to judge you. I'm here to give you that space where you can amplify your voice and let other people hear what's going on, you know. And it's ever since then it's been a push to, you know, try get create the conversation. So I'm always looking for new and more interesting people to a bring into the conversation as well, you know. And it's great that, you know, we have We have two CEOs sitting here talking about it as well, because you know, you don't get this chance. Usually they have two high-powered ladies come in here and just start talking about these things, you know, ⁓ and things like that too. So I appreciate y'all coming and hanging out here for sure. ⁓ so my question to you now is for this is for both of you all, if you had one message to the world, what would you say that one thing would be about mental health? The keys over the really think about this one. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: You wanna go first, Lakeita? LaKisha Mosley: I mean it's you know, to narrow down the one message sometimes is hard. But I would Yeah. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, like one, you know, you just get one. Let's say about mental health. Yeah, yeah. Pete: Ha ha ha. LaKisha Mosley: just say that ⁓ Like I feel like nothing in business works when your mental health is out of alignment. And so we have to figure out ways to ⁓ be in life in business without lo le losing ourselves in the process. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, I think that a lot of times when people use when they use the term mental health, they're not talking about mental health. They're talking about mental illness. You know, and what is mental health? Really? You know, I think it's it's a misused term. ⁓ mental health is what we are all trying to achieve is, you know, emotional wellness. ⁓ that's the only reason I care about my cholesterol or my, you know, my BMI and you know all the other things with health, it's because I want to I want to feel happy. I want to be happy. And mental health can be that that ambiguous thing that that just makes that that makes the keeps moving the target, you know, so that it can just make so many of those things out of reach. And ⁓ you know, it it needs it needs as much attention and and care and intention as the physical things that we do to take care of ourselves, you know, like even a person who has very low standards is gonna brush their teeth and, you know, comb their hair and take a shower, you know, most days. ⁓ a lot of us don't give that much, even that much attention to our emotional needs. LaKisha Mosley: No, ⁓ Yeah. I love you said about mental health because I a lot of people miss that point that we all have mental health. It's just some of us live with a mental illness or a mental health condition. And so mental health should be a part of your language, ⁓ a part of your vocabulary when you talk about everything else. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah. Mm-hmm. LaKisha Mosley: ⁓ I love when people are like, well, I mean, it's not that big of a deal. It is that big of a deal. Your brain is the fo is the main thing that functions. If you are brain dead, you're dead. I don't care what else is make could possibly be working on you. Eventually it's all gonna shut down because this this central system is no longer working. Your mental health is the same way. That's why it manifests in physical health. I remember going to the doctor, like, you need to give me a pill. And she's like, no, you need to go see a therapist. You don't need a pill. You need a therapist. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah. Yeah. And when you explained it at your show, you said my back hurt, my eye hurt. I was like, even her eye hurt. Like that's when you know. Girl player, like you need to like, even your eye hurt. Like that's how much like your emotions were saying, ⁓ my gosh, like give me some, give me some attention here. You know, we're gonna come out your eye. If you're not, you know, like those emotions are gonna be expressed. LaKisha Mosley: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes. Right, right. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: they're gonna find a way to get expressed one way or the other. And if you don't express them in language and acknowledging them, then they're gonna they're gonna be expressed in your body. LaKisha Mosley: Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And they come out in the funniest ways. Like whose eyeball sockets hurt? Pete: I I think those are both great messages though. ⁓ things like that as well. So ⁓ all right. So now we're at part of the interview where I told you all I have two questions for you. Now the first one is a bit of a fun question, and I'm really interested to hear the answers to this. So the question to both of you are is that if your mental health had a song, what would that song be? Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: ⁓ that's funny. ⁓ Pete: Look at Lakeisha lapping. See, everybody loves this question because it's so fun, though the the millions of answers you could have for this thing. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: that's funny. Well, I mean, okay, so this is I'm just gonna just put this out there. Like there's a ner there's a Nirvana song, okay? Like that said ⁓ Kurt Kurt Cobain, you know, he said, ⁓ just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you. But that is not actually what I would say. I just like that line in there. That it's just kind of funny to me. But if I was, gosh. Pete: Okay. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: We're I mean, i for some reason the first thing that came to mind was we're not gonna take it by Twisted Sister. You know? Like, ⁓ you know, we're not gonna take like the old script, you know, the old way of doing things that isn't working. If it's not working, I'm gonna call it what it is. And it's it's something that's not working. I'm not gonna take that. You know, I'm not gonna settle for because mental health, like it's it's all about quality of life. Pete: Okay, okay. I like that one. LaKisha Mosley: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: It's it's very rarely a life or death issue. This is like and y it's about what you accept, what you'll settle for. And you know, if it s that's like within it comes to emotional wellness, it's like, hey, I'm gonna do everything I can to live my best life. And sometimes doing that means like, well, I'm not gonna settle for what I what isn't the optimal amount that I could achieve. So that's just the first thing that came to my mind is we're not gonna take it. Pete: liked it though. That that's a really good one. Twisted Sisters, the first century we've had for that one. ⁓ you know, we get a lot of interesting answers to that one. So Lakeisha, you're up. What do you got for us? You start laughing when this question was asked. LaKisha Mosley: I love that. Know because I'm like, they're gonna think I'm cuckoo for real. It's it is a lot, but my favorite, I think, when when the first that came to mind was Big Energy by Lotto. and I love that one because it's when I think about it, I'm like, okay, sometimes with your mind, you're like, When you gonna stop playing? Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Mm-hmm. Pete: She's like, where do I choose? Like so many. Yeah. LaKisha Mosley: Like basically, you know, I'm telling this brain, like, girl, shut up, be quiet, sit down, be still. When you you have big energy. So that would be the first I'll look up to Pete: ⁓ yeah, big energy for sure. Like that's not even a question, girl. You came in this room, you lit up the room. Like you could tell you were just explosively bubbly and everything else, you know. And I I could see how y'all work together though, because like yin and yang, you know, tiny tiny smok little more mellow, you're just more bubble, you know what I mean? Like you're leading her in, she's closing it out for you. It's it's a good it's a good deal, though. I'm not I'm not against it. I love it. So when when I was asked this question, okay, so I broke it down in two parts. I had an anxiety song. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: ⁓ huh. Yeah, yeah. We say that God brought us together. Yeah. LaKisha Mosley: Yeah. Yes, yes. Pete: And I had a depression song. So my anxiety song was Artificial Suicide by Bad Omens. Okay. So the I know the song, it sounds terrible name for the song, but it's the constant strumming. Like when my anxiety is in full gear, my heart is racing at this pace. Okay. So it the song just goes like that. That's the part of it. The whole song name, I know it sounds a little extreme, but it best represents what my anxiety's like. So my depression song had two choices. I had either ⁓ Different kind of pain by cold because of just the real mellowness of the song, you know, when you're in that depressive mode, you're just like you don't really want to do anything and you're just kind of like drifting away. And the other one was Turn the Light on, Talk With the Dark by Papa Roach, who's one of my favorite bands of all time. just just because the message in the message of the end of the thing is call nine and eight if you need help, you know, things like that. I love the fact that, you know, they were so open about it and things like that because music plays a big part in our lives. You know, we all get in that that mood and we feel a different way. We're just like, you know what? Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah. LaKisha Mosley: Yeah. Pete: Let me turn something on. You turn that one song on. It just really makes you feel really good about everything. ⁓ and things like that too. So, you know, I I've had the the pleasure of having many artists come in the studio and hang out with me. We've talked about music all the time and things like that. All right. So now we're to the final question. In the reason I started this podcast. Now, here's the question for both you ladies is that if you could break the stigma about mental health, now you can choose anything you'd like. That you just want people to stop believing, what would you say that one thing would be? LaKisha Mosley: I think kinda like what you and I just were talking about, Tana, that mental health is everybody. We all have mental health. It's just some of us live with a condition or an illness. So to say, ⁓ well, this person's mental health, well, what about your mental health? Because again, like Tana said, it's your entire being, it's emotional, spiritual, all of those things in one. So I think Pete: Mm-hmm. LaKisha Mosley: One of the stigmas that people have is that, ⁓ this person has a mental health thing. This person had well, we all got mental health. We every last one of us has mental health. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, and I think ⁓ adding to that and something that you said previously, Lakeisha, you know, and you you framed it as like almost like dishonoring God or something if you if you seek help for your mental health, you know, in in some like some religious contexts that isn't useful or applicable or even really actually what the doctrine of pretty much any religion is. ⁓ but ⁓ A lot of people view it as like some kind of personal failure, a character flaw. and that is extremely ineffective and it just just it holds a person back so much and it prevents them from living their best life. It's ⁓ you know, and like some people say like I ⁓ I I wanna I wanna be able to do it myself. I wanna do it myself. And to that I'm like, well, I mean, how did you get here? Did you did your mom put you on her back and bring you here? Like you got here yourself. You know, it's like if if you tell me to hammer to put this nail into this table, and I find it the most effective tool to do it, I get a hammer because that's you know, I could stomp on it. I could get a rock and pound it, but a hammer is an effective tool, and that's how I do it. Like, didn't did I not do that? You know, like Why why make it harder than it needs to be? Getting help is doing it. Utilizing a tool, that's doing it. Pete: Yeah. Yeah. That's a really great point. I love that. I was like, you just keep going, girl. I was like, let you just keep going there. You were just laying it out and it it went all made perfect sense. LaKisha Mosley: Okay. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, well I mean I could talk all day. I have to stop myself, you know, 'cause 'cause I joke like LaKisha Mosley: Yeah, that was good. That was good. ⁓ yes. Mia Mason: you are not only one ⁓ that experiences ⁓ thoughts, Pete: ⁓ no, you didn't have to stop it. So you have just kept going. I would have just sat here for a minute and let you go. Cause I'm like, you're just laying out all the correct points. I'm like, you're not you're not wrong. Like, think about what you just what you just said makes perfect sense when you break it down for a lot of people. You know, and I think that's when it with the problem with menthology is that a lot of people don't know where to start the conversations, you know. And that's why it was so great having both of you here hanging out with me today. ⁓ ladies, I appreciate you both being here. I really do. ⁓ before we wrap up this thing. LaKisha Mosley: Yeah, it's 'cause yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental Health Champ": Well, Dr. Erica, before we start wrapping up, I'm going to ask you Pete: Do you all wanna let everybody know they can find you, guys? I will definitely have all their links in my bio inside the episode description for this episode so you can reach out to them and let them you heard them here on Pete vs Anxiety. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Thank you. Yeah. ⁓ you can s you can find me pretty much anywhere. If you can spell my name correctly, you can find me. I'm on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, you know, my neurovana c neurovana calm dot com. ⁓ you know, you can't get away from me, you can't escape me. Nervana's on Instagram and LinkedIn and Facebook. ⁓ you know, I and I just love to talk about mental health. You mentioned, you know, I you let me go, you know, I c I could Pete: Well, Keith, we're at the part of the interview where I'm gonna ask you those two questions. All right, Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: I could just stand up and give a five hour seminar right now on mental health because I'm very passionate about it. It's been so rewarding and fulfilling in my my career and I'm I'm really appreciative that you had me as your guest today. Pete: Thank you so much. Lakeisha, where can they find you, girl? Lay down for ⁓ we know you got some grand entrance for us. Do it. LaKisha Mosley: Ha ha. Well, I'm like Tana, hey, if you can spell my name right, you can find me ⁓ on any platform as Lakeisha ⁓ Mosley. Now I'm an IG girl. I'm trying to play on ⁓ LinkedIn. I'm trying, y'all. I'm I'm I'm trying. But I'm an IG girl. I am DM friendly. Just don't come in there with no foolishness. I respond to all my own DMs. ⁓ I'm I'm trying to play on TikTok. It's just not my thing, but I'm there too. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Ha ha ha. LaKisha Mosley: All platforms as Lakeisha and Mosley. My website is Lakeisha Mosley.com. You can always go on there and send me a message. I love getting ⁓ messages. I love people reaching out to me. I love connecting people ⁓ as well. Mental health is a passion, but it's also my calling. ⁓ and I'm gonna talk about it until they lay me out or I'm caught up in the rapture. Whatever, whichever one comes first. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Till they get a restraining order, right? LaKisha Mosley: ⁓ exactly. Or that until they're like shut up talking about it. Pete: She looks like a nose thing. Tauna Young, FNP, CEO: Yeah, and I and I call I call bowl on like a little bit of foolishness is okay, like a little bit, right? Just a little bit. LaKisha Mosley: Yeah, just a little bit. Just a little bit. Pete: ⁓ god. Well, ladies, thank you so much for coming and hanging out with me today. You guys are both welcome to come back anytime you like. ⁓ this was a great conversation. I enjoyed both having both of you here. thank you so much for taking the time and being here, guys. And with that being said, we're gonna wrap up this episode of Pete Versus Anxiety, guys. You where to find me Pete Versus Anxiety, I'm X all the way down to TikTok. I'm on Spotify all the way down to Pandora Radio. And as always, say it costs nothing, absolutely nothing, be kind to somebody. One kind act you do good to save somebody's life, hell, you can make their day. I'm Pete Frising Ziony sign off saying, Don't ask how your day is today, say hey, how's your mental health?