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- 0:00Bitcoin is an existential threat to Wall Street, but the big
- 0:03banks like JP Morgan are not going down without a fight.
- 0:06What we're seeing between Wall Street giants and Bitcoin
- 0:09companies like Strategy and Strike is a battle Royale for
- 0:13control of the monetary system that goes all the way up to
- 0:17President Trump himself. So pull up a ringside seat to
- 0:20the financial fight of the century.
- 0:23This is simply Bitcoin's Satoshi.
- 0:25Let's go. Operation Choke .2 Point O has
- 0:34been so much bigger than many of us knew, so I was so glad that
- 0:39Marc Andreessen got on Joe Rogan's program and blew it up.
- 0:44And then you had all kinds of people who've been debanked get
- 0:48on X and explain what DE banking has done to their businesses.
- 0:54It could be a gun manufacturer, it could be a marijuana
- 0:57business, it could be an oil and gas producer.
- 1:00And it's definitely been crypto assets.
- 1:03They have illegally, and I mean this government, our government
- 1:06has illegally gone after an industry and tried to snuff it
- 1:11out through the regulatory state, through the bureaucracy.
- 1:14Senator Cynthia Lummus tweeted that Operation Choke .2 Point O
- 1:18regrettably lives on in response to the latest developments in
- 1:22the war between the establishment and Bitcoin
- 1:25companies. It's basically monetary Mean
- 1:28Girls like the movie, and the bankers are telling the
- 1:31bitcoiners that they can't sit with them.
- 1:33So that's gets. The rules.
- 1:34And you can't. Sit with us.
- 1:36Ever Chase D banked strike CEO Jack Molars without giving any
- 1:41other reason than concerning activity.
- 1:43Eric Trump recently described getting D banked because of his
- 1:47father's politics. Not only was ID banked, so many
- 1:49people in this country were D banked.
- 1:51And every every day millions of people around the world are D
- 1:53banked for no reason whatsoever. I happened to be D banked.
- 1:55He was my father wore a hat that was read that said Make America
- 1:58Great Again. And I started getting letters.
- 2:00I got a letter from Capital One effectively closing 300 of our
- 2:03corporate accounts. I got a letter from JP Morgan
- 2:05Chase closing 52 of our, our corporate accounts.
- 2:08I got letters from Bank of America.
- 2:10These are the largest financial institutions on, on earth
- 2:12closing our accounts for no reason.
- 2:13These are golf courses, these are condominium associations.
- 2:15These are hotels, These are restaurants that we have in the
- 2:17portfolio. They didn't give a damn.
- 2:19They wanted to take the rails out from under us.
- 2:22They, they wanted to debank us. They wanted to de platform us
- 2:25and they want to hurt us. And, and I realized very quickly
- 2:27that the very same people who are coming after us, those banks
- 2:30are also going after, you know, people of cryptocurrency who
- 2:32just wanted to improve the system.
- 2:34You know, why is it that you can't send a wire transfer after
- 2:375:00 on a Friday afternoon right now?
- 2:39Now, that makes complete sense to me as a business guy, right?
- 2:41JP Morgan wants to hold your money, you know, for, you know,
- 2:4472 hours over the course of a weekend.
- 2:45They want to take the interest associated with 10's and 10s of
- 2:48billions of dollars that are sitting in purgatory, You know,
- 2:51is that fair to the average consumer?
- 2:52And by the way, is that financial freedom?
- 2:54You literally can't move your money for a 48 or 72 hour period
- 2:57of time. It's insane.
- 2:58It's asinine, right? And so, you know, in
- 3:00cryptocurrency, you can be, you can move unlimited amounts of
- 3:03money for virtually 0 fees. No middle man, no, none of these
- 3:06crazy door banking fees at 11:00 on a Saturday, you know, from,
- 3:10from your cell phone while having a glass of, you know,
- 3:12wine with your husband or your wife.
- 3:15Isn't that financial freedom? Isn't that modern finance?
- 3:17Same thing. I mean, try finance at home.
- 3:20You go through a process for 120 days, you know, your customer
- 3:23with a bank that you've banked that for, you know, 30 years.
- 3:27Does that seem correct? Does that seem technologically
- 3:30advanced? It's not.
- 3:31And Michael Saylor, executive chairman of Strategy, which
- 3:35holds the largest Bitcoin treasury of any public company
- 3:39in the world, finds himself in the crosshairs after JP Morgan
- 3:43noted that his ticker, MSCR, could be excluded from one of
- 3:47the largest stock indexes, effectively cutting off massive
- 3:51capital inflows and handicapping the stock price.
- 3:55When Bitcoin specifically, you had JP Morgan, JP Morgan CEO and
- 3:59Chairman Jamie Dimon calling it essentially pet rock and once
- 4:03again calling into question it's worth and its value here.
- 4:06I would love to get your reaction, especially as some of
- 4:09the financial industry elites and figureheads are continuing
- 4:13to cast some doubt here. Yeah.
- 4:17Thanks for having me, Brad. What do I think about Jeffrey
- 4:22Epstein's banker being concerned that a distributed,
- 4:26decentralized, open public money could potentially be used for
- 4:30bad things sitting on a ski resort in Davos?
- 4:34I don't really care. I don't know why anyone cares,
- 4:37right? I mean, that guy knows when
- 4:40money is used for bad things. So I it's a weird opinion of
- 4:43his. And my pet rock was up, as you
- 4:45said, 160% last year. It performed well against the
- 4:49dollar. So I don't know.
- 4:50I don't really care what that guy has to say about Bitcoin.
- 4:54I don't know why anybody does. Everyone remembers the infamous
- 4:57dump on October 10th. No balance, just bad vibes and
- 5:01pain. Maximum Pain MSCI, the world's
- 5:05second biggest index company, quietly announced a review of
- 5:09Bitcoin heavy companies like Sailor Strategy MSCR.
- 5:13Basically, you bought too much Bitcoin and now you're not
- 5:17allowed to play with the big boys.
- 5:19The Mean Girls of Trad 5 finally realized that the New Girl is
- 5:23actually pretty hot, but they're not going to let her be Queen
- 5:27Bee so easily. MSCI recently announced that
- 5:31they are evaluating whether Bitcoin treasury companies that
- 5:33hold more than 50% of their balance sheet in Bitcoin should
- 5:37be removed from their indexes. It is essential that this
- 5:40decision is made correctly because the logic behind removal
- 5:43rests on a misunderstanding of what these companies actually
- 5:46are. The argument is if a company
- 5:48holds a large amount of a digital commodity, it begins to
- 5:51resemble an investment vehicle rather than an operating
- 5:54business. I understand that perspective,
- 5:56but Bitcoin treasury companies have real operations, real
- 5:59customers, employees, products, revenue, and GAAP operating
- 6:02income. They do not meet the legal or
- 6:04economic definition of an investment company.
- 6:07The only reason Bitcoin has grown to represent such a large
- 6:10percentage of their balance sheet is because the treasury
- 6:12strategy succeeded. Strategy itself is up over 1000%
- 6:16since adopting a Bitcoin treasury.
- 6:18Bitcoin is long term savings technology, so these companies
- 6:20that adopt this strategy and save Bitcoin for multiple years
- 6:24have been rewarded. It is also important to
- 6:26recognize that this 50% threshold is arbitrary.
- 6:29There is no financial theory, regulatory framework, or
- 6:31academic foundation that supports using this cut off.
- 6:34It is not tied to volatility, contribution, operating income,
- 6:37sector classification, or balance sheet risk.
- 6:40Adopting an arbitrary rule would allow subjective judgments that
- 6:43do not reflect how markets actually value companies.
- 6:46Many Bitcoin treasury companies also use Bitcoin as their hurdle
- 6:48rate for capital allocation. Bitcoin appreciates faster than
- 6:52almost any other asset, so most real investments do not clear
- 6:55that hurdle today. As a result, these companies
- 6:57naturally accumulate large treasury positions because it is
- 7:01rational to save in the strongest monetary asset
- 7:03available. Over time, as the Bitcoin
- 7:05adoption curve matures and appreciation rates moderate,
- 7:09this dynamic may evolve and companies may deploy capital
- 7:11more aggressively. A temporary imbalance between
- 7:14Treasury assets and operating assets should not be the grounds
- 7:17for permanent index exclusion. Digital asset treasury
- 7:20companies, otherwise known as DAT companies like Sailors
- 7:24Company, had driven most of the buying in this cycle.
- 7:28MSCI is trying to classify strategy as a fund now, not a
- 7:32company. And if that happens, strategy
- 7:35gets kicked out of all major equity indices, which triggers
- 7:39forced selling from pension funds, retirement accounts,
- 7:43ETFs, etcetera. And I think that that's why the
- 7:46market dumped smart money probably repositioned before the
- 7:51ruling. Imagine this.
- 7:53It's like being kicked out of every group project because you
- 7:56were doing too well. I guess Sailor is just an
- 7:59overachiever. Maybe he's been Bitcoin's actual
- 8:03employee of the year this whole time and not Larry Fink.
- 8:06I think we got that wrong. I just want to ask you about the
- 8:09JP Morgan report that came out this morning warning that
- 8:12strategy could be excluded from benchmarks like NASDAQ, MSCI,
- 8:17and it could trigger an estimated $2.8 billion in
- 8:21automatic outflows. That's just from the MSCI alone.
- 8:24What's your response to that? I think it's a bit alarmist.
- 8:29I'm not so sure the numbers are nearly that high.
- 8:32I think actually the numbers would be much smaller.
- 8:34I also think it's already priced into the market by a factor of
- 8:3910 if you count it. I don't think there's any
- 8:42relationship between the decision making of MSCI and the
- 8:46NASDAQ 100 or the S&P 500 index allocators.
- 8:52The company is an operating company.
- 8:55It's just like insurance companies use capital in order
- 8:58to create financial products and banks use capital, create
- 9:01financial products. We use capital to create digital
- 9:04credit finance products. It's possible there are people
- 9:07in the world that don't fully appreciate digital credit or
- 9:10digital treasuries. That wouldn't surprise me.
- 9:13We had that challenge with bankers.
- 9:16They didn't want to bank Bitcoin.
- 9:17We had that challenge with accountants that were a little
- 9:20bit skeptical of digital assets accounting.
- 9:23The accountants embrace the asset, the bankers embrace the
- 9:27asset, the politicians embrace the asset.
- 9:29We had the challenge with credit rating agencies, and they just
- 9:33embrace the asset. We're starting to get credit
- 9:35ratings. We have the challenge under the
- 9:37Basel Accords, where Basel Accords allocate 0 value to
- 9:41Bitcoin, and now they've announced they're going to
- 9:43reconsider that. So I'm not concerned that we
- 9:46have these kind of concerns. I love that, he says there, it's
- 9:49not that big of a deal. Sailor fires back.
- 9:52We're not a fund. We're an operating company
- 9:55building Bitcoin backed financial innovations.
- 9:58He highlights his $500 million software business, 7.7 billion
- 10:03in digital credit instruments, new structured credit products
- 10:07like STRCSTRK, et cetera, all backed by Bitcoin.
- 10:12And these aren't altcoins. They're like corporate bonds for
- 10:16the Bitcoin era. He's not making dodge coins.
- 10:19He's actually issuing regulated debt that's backed by Bitcoin
- 10:24and apparently Wall Street hates that.
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- 13:02I've always been deeply opposed to crypto, Bitcoin, etcetera.
- 13:05You pointed out the true use case for it as criminals, drug
- 13:09traffickers, anti money loaning, tax avoidance.
- 13:12And that is a use case because it is somewhat anonymous, not
- 13:15fully and because you can move money instantaneously and
- 13:18because it doesn't go through as you mentioned, all these systems
- 13:21have built up over many years. Know your customers, sanctions
- 13:24OFAC it's didn't get bypassed, all of that.
- 13:27I If I was the governments, I'd close it down.
- 13:29BlackRock, Fidelity, JP Morgan all want paper Bitcoin control.
- 13:34Sailor, on the other hand, bought the real thing.
- 13:37Faster, bigger, and and at lower prices.
- 13:40He's definitely paid his price of tuition and now they're
- 13:44trying to ostracize him not because he's reckless, but
- 13:47because he's winning. The ETF crowd wants to look like
- 13:51they're pro Bitcoin as long as they're the ones controlling the
- 13:55rails. And let's be honest, we figured
- 13:57this out a minute ago. We were rooting for them, but
- 14:00then we remembered that they are evil as fuck.
- 14:03Sailor built a competing financial system and they're
- 14:06jealous. It really is.
- 14:07Mean Girls, Mean small street. He bought more Bitcoin than the
- 14:11rest of them combined, and now they want to push him in front
- 14:14of a bus. So do you know what everyone
- 14:16says about you? They say that you're a
- 14:18homeschooled jungle freak who's a less hot version of me.
- 14:22Yeah. So don't try to act so innocent.
- 14:24You can take that fake apology and shove it right up your
- 14:27hairy. I swear that was the last Mean
- 14:31Girls reference. So let's go back to this amazing
- 14:35video by Joe Burnett where he talks about what this all means
- 14:38for Bitcoin. Removing these companies would
- 14:40strip an entire category of corporate innovation from the
- 14:43investable universe and prevent passive investors from owning a
- 14:46strategy that the market clearly values.
- 14:49There's also a clear impact on the passive investors who rely
- 14:52on MSCI indexes for long term investment.
- 14:54If Bitcoin continues to outperform most asset classes,
- 14:57removing the companies that capture that outperformance will
- 15:00cause the index tracking products to fall behind the true
- 15:03market. MSCI exists to provide neutral
- 15:05access to the full opportunity set that markets produce.
- 15:09Excluding high performing companies because they hold a
- 15:11novel, unique, superior monetary asset creates an active bias,
- 15:15not a passive one. Most importantly, an index
- 15:17provider should not decide which monetary assets are acceptable
- 15:21for corporations to hold. Bitcoin is monetary savings for
- 15:24these companies. It plays the same role as cash
- 15:27or gold. Excluding companies because they
- 15:29hold a harder form of money is monetary discrimination.
- 15:32It punishes responsible treasury management and rewards companies
- 15:36that hold depreciating currency instead.
- 15:38This approach would also discourage corporate innovation.
- 15:41It implies companies should remain in weaker monetary assets
- 15:44to stay index eligible rather than adopt stronger balance
- 15:47sheet strategies. That is not healthy for markets
- 15:50or long term capital allocation. If MSCI wins, legacy finance
- 15:54locks Bitcoin behind walls, gates and custodians.
- 15:57If sailors model survives Bitcoin, native finance starts
- 16:01to grow from within the system and eventually replaces it.
- 16:05Either way, January 15th, 2026 is now a key date.
- 16:10Until then, the market may stay depressed, but the fundamentals
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- 17:23battle of our lifetimes. Anyway, that's our show today.
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