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179: Lurking in the Dark Shadows · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 5: It's shadow time, buddy.
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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 7: And we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 7: from Wonderfest once again. We are seated now in the
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  Speaker 7: Theater A.
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  Speaker 8: Trenches.
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  Speaker 7: For you, it's the trenches. I've just been loitering around
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  Speaker 7: all weekend.
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  Speaker 8: You get to have fun. That's no fair.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I just kind of sat there, really. That's what I
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  Speaker 7: do in my regular life, so it's not really any
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  Speaker 7: different for me.
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  Speaker 8: I suppose that sounds bad because yes, it's work, but
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  Speaker 8: it's a whole lot of fun. For anybody who's been
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  Speaker 8: working Wonderfest for years and years, this is my 13th year, actually.
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  Speaker 8: I've got all the badges of shame going back to
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  Speaker 8: 2000 on me right now.
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  Speaker 7: We can take a picture if you want. We can
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  Speaker 7: share it with people.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 8: If anything, you should take the photo, because I'm sure
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  Speaker 8: Fred would like to see it, because I'm sure he
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  Speaker 8: would have fun poking fun at me.
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  Speaker 5: Never.
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  Speaker 7: Not Fred.
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  Speaker 8: No, but actually, you know, with all these badges, you know,
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  Speaker 8: it works like chain mail. He wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 8: poke me in too many places without being blocked. But, no,
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  Speaker 8: I mean, from the crew perspective, it's actually... I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: it is work, but at the same time, it's more
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  Speaker 8: just like a family reunion. It's folks that you only
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  Speaker 8: get to see once a year. And, you know, you've
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  Speaker 8: all got these in jokes or just stories or, you know,
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  Speaker 8: whether it was a great year, whether it was a
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  Speaker 8: year from hell, it's like you survived it together. And,
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  Speaker 8: you know, those are the types of things to where
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  Speaker 8: you just like to look back, reminisce and just, you know,
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  Speaker 8: shoot the shit with them every time you see them. So,
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  Speaker 8: you know, it's, I always say it's like the, um,
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  Speaker 8: craziest weekend of the year for me because, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: you keep waiting for it and it seems like it's
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  Speaker 8: going long. I mean, you know, 9 a.m. to 1 a.m.
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  Speaker 8: is when I was rolling yesterday. But, you know, suddenly
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  Speaker 8: you just turn around and the whole weekend's over. So
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  Speaker 8: it's chaotic, but it's fun.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, even me, it went by really fast yesterday. I
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  Speaker 7: was like, oh, we're closing up in here already? Okay, well,
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  Speaker 7: now I've got other stuff to plan for. All right,
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  Speaker 7: hold on. This changes everything.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: But, I mean, I think, you know, the whole family feel,
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that's very much true because it is more
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  Speaker 8: a family show than, you know, other shows. And I
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  Speaker 8: don't want to, like, diss any other conventions, but I've
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  Speaker 8: been to a few horror conventions. And, you know, they're fun.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I went to Mad Monster Party back in March,
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  Speaker 8: and I usually like to go to the local Fright
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  Speaker 8: Night Film Fest, and they're fun. But, you know, it's
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  Speaker 8: more of like a teenage and up theme. Whereas here,
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  Speaker 8: you know, it's more just the awe-inspiring, you know, stuff
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  Speaker 8: that you when you basically fell in love with movies
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  Speaker 8: as a kid. I mean, it sort of recaptures that essence.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, there's, I don't know, it's just so hard
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  Speaker 8: to describe.
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  Speaker 7: It's definitely a different vibe than, like, normal, you know,
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  Speaker 7: the big horror, you know, the standard horror convention stuff.
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  Speaker 7: It's very different here and always has been, really. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I've been coming here about as long as I think
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  Speaker 7: I have. I don't have cool badges, but I think
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  Speaker 7: I've been here at least, I think I was doing
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  Speaker 7: the math, it's like 14 or 15 years or, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: so it's like, And it's always felt different than, you know,
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  Speaker 7: this was actually a first convention, but it definitely, as
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  Speaker 7: I've gone to all the other ones, this one is
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  Speaker 7: a different vibe.
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  Speaker 8: And I still come back to this.
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  Speaker 7: One every year.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's just because there's so many returning
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  Speaker 8: guests and the crew is the same every single year. Again,
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  Speaker 8: it just, it very much has that family cohesive vibe.
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  Speaker 8: feel to it and at the same time it's not
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  Speaker 8: so exclusive that you know if there's somebody new that
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  Speaker 8: they you know feel like the black sheep or anything
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  Speaker 8: it's like no welcome to the fold we're all crazy
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  Speaker 8: here come join us.
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  Speaker 7: That's true um i don't know anything uh interesting unplanned
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  Speaker 7: happened this week i mean about.
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  Speaker 8: The only thing yeah the only odd thing that we
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  Speaker 8: had happened was um it was the best laugh of
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  Speaker 8: the day we had john eves um just a production
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  Speaker 8: designer with Star Trek and a lot of other shows,
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  Speaker 8: he stepped up to fill in for a gap we
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  Speaker 8: had in the programming. And he brought a ton of
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  Speaker 8: images of stuff he'd worked on on a thumb drive
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  Speaker 8: with him. And he said, well, no, we'll just plug
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  Speaker 8: it into any.
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  Speaker 4: Computer and we'll be good to go.
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  Speaker 8: Because usually the grief that we have from our perspective
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  Speaker 8: is Macs. Because Macs are compatible only with Macs and
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  Speaker 8: not even then sometimes. So We're like, God bless you, sir.
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  Speaker 8: You just brought them on a thumb drive. It's going
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  Speaker 8: to be good. So we plug in the laptop. And
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  Speaker 8: at this point, it's about five minutes before the presentation
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  Speaker 8: is about to begin. We've got the screen lit up.
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  Speaker 8: And so the whole audience is just there looking at
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  Speaker 8: the desktop as we're dragging the contents of the thumb
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  Speaker 8: drive over to the desktop just for simplicity's sake. So
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  Speaker 8: that way, you know, it will run better. Just an
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  Speaker 8: efficiency thing. Well, what we assumed to only take a
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  Speaker 8: couple minutes then started creeping up to like 8 minutes,
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  Speaker 8: 12 minutes, 22 minutes. We're like, what on earth is
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  Speaker 8: on this thumb drive? And at first, she's just copying
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  Speaker 8: over Star Trek stuff and Wonderfest files. We're like, okay.
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  Speaker 8: It sounds like trouble.
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  Speaker 10: I know.
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  Speaker 8: It led to trouble already because, you know, we were
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  Speaker 8: building up for it because we're like, what is on there?
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  Speaker 8: We even started joking. We're like, is there some sort
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  Speaker 8: of porn on there or something?
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  Speaker 7: This is why I don't bring my thumb drive with me.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, at which point, all of a sudden, we just
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  Speaker 8: see this file name, nakedwoman.php, some sort of Photoshop thing.
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  Speaker 8: And it's just, lagging for 30 seconds, a minute, two minutes.
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  Speaker 8: And we're like, God, that's a huge file. And the
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  Speaker 8: whole time the audience is all like looking at this
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  Speaker 8: and they're seeing, they're all reading the exact same thing
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  Speaker 8: we're reading up on the screen. And the whole time,
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  Speaker 8: John Eves, he's in the other room taking a phone call.
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  Speaker 8: And so, you know, that is over. And then there's
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  Speaker 8: like another one. And so at this point, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: everyone's starting to find it funny, and so the whole
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  Speaker 8: audience is starting to laugh. The fellow who's transferring all
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  Speaker 8: the stuff over the computer, he's like, God, do I
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  Speaker 8: stop it? Do I not stop it? What do I do?
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  Speaker 8: And this panic is ensuing, and it's so funny because
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  Speaker 8: John's in the other room, and he knows we're uploading
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  Speaker 8: his stuff, and he just hears laughter, and he's like, well,
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  Speaker 8: I didn't think it was that bad. And he comes in,
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  Speaker 8: and he's like, what's going on? And we're like, dude,
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  Speaker 8: what's on your thumb drive? And he's like, what? And
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  Speaker 8: he looks up right then. It's copying over... Heather's wedding.
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  Speaker 8: And he's like, I don't know any Heather. And then
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  Speaker 8: Korean tacos. And at that point, we're like, is that
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  Speaker 8: a dish or is that a euphemism? It's a cool
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  Speaker 8: 90s punk band.
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  Speaker 7: You're not familiar with them?
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  Speaker 10: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 8: And it wasn't that it was just one file. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: it was like folder Korean tacos, two folder Korean tacos.
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  Speaker 8: And that went on for like two minutes. And then
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  Speaker 8: it was another folder named cheese and then dogs blowing up.
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  Speaker 8: And as if that wasn't enough, there was dogs blowing
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  Speaker 8: up too. There were two folders of.
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  Speaker 7: Dogs blowing up. Well, you fell up one.
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  Speaker 8: And the whole time he's just like, I swear I
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  Speaker 8: don't know what any of this is. Likely story. Which,
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  Speaker 8: you know, I mean, it's become like the running gag.
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  Speaker 8: We've actually, we've, the programming crew, we've got some Taco
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  Speaker 8: Bell over there that we're going to fashion into a
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  Speaker 8: Korean taco for dinner tonight to give to him as
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  Speaker 8: a present. But I mean, he ended up calling into
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  Speaker 8: work and just got hold of a coworker that he
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  Speaker 8: works nearby and Um, he was like, by the way, um,
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  Speaker 8: did I leave my thumb drive there? And it turns
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  Speaker 8: out he picked up the wrong thumb drive because his
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  Speaker 8: coworker has it. And he's like, wait, do you have mine?
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  Speaker 8: He's like, yeah. Do you know anything about Korean tacos?
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  Speaker 5: Oh no.
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  Speaker 8: Does that, he got really panicked. And so now we're like,
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  Speaker 8: we're still tempted as to, we haven't opened up the
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  Speaker 8: folder yet.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do it.
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  Speaker 7: I know. You can never unsee Korean tacos.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I, I shudder to think what could, it
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  Speaker 8: could turn into like the ring or something.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 8: Die in seven days afterwards.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: But, I mean, it's just, you know, little stuff like that.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it's just, it's no different than going to
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  Speaker 8: family gatherings and you just have those crazy moments to
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  Speaker 8: where something happens and it just sort of lives.
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  Speaker 1: On in legend.
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  Speaker 8: We've got tales going back, you know, years now because
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  Speaker 8: I think, you know, pretty much all the crew here,
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  Speaker 8: we've been here 10 plus years. So, I mean, it's just, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: basically you just get together and you don't really have
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  Speaker 8: to say anything. You just start laughing because you remember...
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  Speaker 8: where you left off the last time. We've got a
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  Speaker 8: couple of crew over here, and we're already laughing, and
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  Speaker 8: we don't even have to say anything.
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  Speaker 5: It's just.
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  Speaker 7: Unspoken people.
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  Speaker 8: Massaro and just, that's all it takes. But, but yeah,
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  Speaker 8: it was just, there was another odd moment yesterday that
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  Speaker 8: we just found fun to just, um, somebody became very
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  Speaker 8: insistent with the, um, tom i can't think of his
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  Speaker 8: last night we put on the vincentennial in st louis
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  Speaker 8: became very insistent about there being a third five film
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  Speaker 8: that had been made and it's like dr fives there's
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  Speaker 8: dr fives rises again fives goes to college fives goes
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  Speaker 8: to hell it's just like the earnest movies but i
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  Speaker 8: scared stupid he became very very insistent on it though
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  Speaker 8: i mean you know in the way of the fives
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  Speaker 8: movies just it's a fun series in the way of
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  Speaker 8: vincent price um I remember reading a treatment where they
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  Speaker 8: were wanting to do it. Um, ever heard, it was
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  Speaker 8: like fives 80 or 81. Have you heard of this? Yeah,
• 10:52
  Speaker 8: it was, it was a cool concept where it was like, um,
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  Speaker 8: it was supposed to been set in like New York
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  Speaker 8: in 1980 and just the clipper ship of Dr. Fibes
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  Speaker 8: shows up in the Harbor. Nobody knows what it is.
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  Speaker 8: And then this brain trust of just super geniuses, they
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  Speaker 8: have been researching fives and know what it is. And they,
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  Speaker 8: go in, crack it open, they realize, okay, the key
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  Speaker 8: to eternal life is in either him or his wife,
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  Speaker 8: and they accidentally crack her case, and she ages very
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  Speaker 8: quickly and then dies, and Fives has a reason to
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  Speaker 8: start killing people again. But, you know, it's very, very dark,
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  Speaker 8: because I remember, like, in there, and it might have
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  Speaker 8: been why it didn't get made, there was one, I
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  Speaker 8: think it was some fellow who was, like, 80 or something,
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  Speaker 8: but he'd had a schoolboy crush on this girl, and
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  Speaker 8: so he had, like, a 12-year-old robot girl that just
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  Speaker 8: he kept in his apartment it was inferred that it
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  Speaker 8: was doing favors for him or stuff like that i
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  Speaker 8: mean it was like all these really bizarre eccentric geniuses
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  Speaker 8: and he killed them based on their love so like
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  Speaker 8: um i think the robotic girl ended up was supposed
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  Speaker 8: to kill that person an expert in germ warfare was
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  Speaker 8: supposed to have been covered in chocolate you know just
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  Speaker 8: the usual vibes absurdity but.
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  Speaker 7: Were they still attempting to have vincent price on.
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  Speaker 8: Board yeah i mean yeah i think I think he
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  Speaker 8: was totally down for it at that point, you know, 80, 81.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, he was still, I mean, at.
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  Speaker 7: That point he'd... He could have still done a movie, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, he could have pulled off. I mean, would have
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  Speaker 8: needed less makeup to look older, but.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: But, yeah, that was at the point where his career
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  Speaker 8: was sort of waning. He didn't really have too much
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  Speaker 8: at that juncture.
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  Speaker 7: He was just his own personality at that point.
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  Speaker 8: He didn't really do.
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  Speaker 7: He would just show up to events and be Vincent Price.
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  Speaker 7: That's really all you need, actually, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, it's just you want him to be himself,
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  Speaker 8: and there you go.
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  Speaker 7: I certainly would. I still want him to just come
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  Speaker 7: and hang out. That's one of the few things I
• 12:45
  Speaker 7: scraped up enough money to buy. I got the limited
• 12:48
  Speaker 7: edition Belle D version of Vincent Price this weekend, the
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  Speaker 7: one with the ghosts.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got the Tumaligia one, which is just fantastic, too.
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  Speaker 8: And she's said that she's looking at doing either Mask
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  Speaker 8: of the Red Death or I was trying to think.
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  Speaker 8: What else? She was just talking about doing like a,
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  Speaker 8: and Fibes.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: She wanted to do a Fibes as well and just
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  Speaker 8: hadn't gotten the opportunity to do so. But, you know,
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  Speaker 8: I love, yeah, she'll.
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  Speaker 5: Do the third one.
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  Speaker 11: The third one.
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  Speaker 8: She will, actually.
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  Speaker 7: If it strikes her, she'll just randomly start doing it.
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  Speaker 8: She could pull it off because, yeah, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 8: it was just supposed to have been Fibes and his
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  Speaker 8: wife both going back and killing people. And it would
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  Speaker 8: have been Carolyn Monroe and she's done Carolyn Monroe before
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  Speaker 8: and a couple of her. pieces so that would be
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  Speaker 8: very cool yeah that would be cool i just love
• 13:34
  Speaker 8: the sort of poppy 60s look that she's got the.
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  Speaker 7: Artwork it's a lot of fun we'll be talking to
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  Speaker 7: her later so anything else you need to get in
• 13:43
  Speaker 7: here other than that no i would just i'm assuming
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  Speaker 7: you haven't done anything else but this for the last.
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  Speaker 8: No yeah that's i mean you know i've gotten to
• 13:52
  Speaker 8: peek down in the dealer's room a little bit and
• 13:54
  Speaker 8: got to peek down into the model contest for a
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  Speaker 8: bit you know it's I always like walking in there because,
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  Speaker 8: you know, that's like the heart of the show is
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  Speaker 8: that model contest. And you walk in and, you know,
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  Speaker 8: everywhere else in the building can be just a loud
• 14:08
  Speaker 8: mob scene. But you walk in there and it's hushed.
• 14:10
  Speaker 8: It's like walking in an art gallery. And it very
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  Speaker 8: much is in that sense.
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  Speaker 7: I walk through there. It's impressive as usual every year.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just like, man, they put way too much time
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  Speaker 7: in it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 7: It's just like these are so good. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, like the... recreation of the blimp from
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  Speaker 8: Blade Runner.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, that, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: With all the moving lights and everything. I was like,
• 14:30
  Speaker 8: oh my God.
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: And the video from the actual, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That are the.
• 14:37
  Speaker 8: Replica of the Star Destroyer 2. Oh, I think it
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  Speaker 8: was huge. The amount of time, and it's like you
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: either have very, very patient girlfriends slash wives and or
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  Speaker 8: no girlfriends slash wives.
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  Speaker 7: Or none, and possibly have never had one.
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  Speaker 8: Well, we'll just say a very patient mother who doesn't
• 14:55
  Speaker 8: mind you still staying in her basement.
• 14:56
  Speaker 7: Still staying in the basement.
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  Speaker 8: See, now I'm being stereotypical. I'm mocking my own backyard.
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes that's true, though.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, my mom doesn't mind me still living in
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  Speaker 8: the basement, so it's all good.
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  Speaker 7: That's what we covered last time we were here. We
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: finally brought Misty and Jay back in, and they discussed
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: the fact that they were living across the street from
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: a serial killer. If you've heard these stories on the news,
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: that's across the street from them. So sometimes that guy
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: who still hangs out with his mom is really still
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  Speaker 7: doing that.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that could almost be like a moving point
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  Speaker 8: for a house. I mean, because, you know, it's kind
• 15:30
  Speaker 8: of kitschy.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Just be like.
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  Speaker 8: No, this is right next to where they actually had
• 15:34
  Speaker 8: all these serial killings. I mean, some people might find
• 15:36
  Speaker 8: that kind of fun.
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: In this day and age, that might change it. It's
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: a shifting Americana kind of thing now. Maybe it is
• 15:43
  Speaker 7: that pop culture thing of it's so cool to live
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: next to a serial killer.
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: Or at least in the former house of a serial killer.
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: It's like, you know, I'm going to go build a garden.
• 15:53
  Speaker 8: I don't know what I'm going to find.
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: Well, they already dug up the body out of the backyard,
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: so I hate to tell you.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: One of them.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: One of them.
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: They're still looking, you know. He's confessed to many more.
• 16:03
  Speaker 8: That's just the time to where you ask them, okay,
• 16:05
  Speaker 8: this is where we stage Rear Window. We just recreate it.
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: Now's the time. All right.
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: Well, we will take a break here.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: We will be back.
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: We will be talking to Eric Chu, and then we
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: will get to the big movie discussion this week.
• 16:19
  Speaker 8: So we will be back.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'll.
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  Speaker 6: Always get my thrill.
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  Speaker 12: That house on Haunted Hill.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Eric Chu.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 4: It's time for another installment of The Art of Being
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: a Movie Geek. In this session of The Art of
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Being a Movie Geek, We're going to talk to designer
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: and illustrator Eric Chu, the man responsible for the sci-fi
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: channel reimagining of Battlestar Galactica.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: I know you're really uncomfortable with being called a geek.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: No, actually, I.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Grew up being a geek. In many ways, I still am.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Just because I work professionally, I'm a professional geek.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: That's what everyone should strive to be. Because it is,
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's why I've, you know, totally latched onto
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: it with this show and everything is about being movie geeks.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: But isn't it interesting now, you know, many years ago,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: being a geek was a negative connotation, but now it's
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: become somewhat positive.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: It's, well, it's one of those, I always thought it
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: was like, you can, you know, everybody is a geek
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: on some level, the way that I see it at least.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: And people who try to be cool and pretend they're not, like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: You know, I've said it before. You're like, oh, no,
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: I'm into sports. Well, you're a sports geek. If you're
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: memorizing stats, that's no different than me knowing all the
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: characters in the cantina in Star Wars. You're still devoting
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: that much of your brain towards one thing that you're
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: so hardcore into that you're a geek. You know, just
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: face it. You're not cool. You're a geek. So we
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: embrace it on this show. So we welcome it.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It actually feeds into one of the theories I have
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: about why comic book movies are so popular now, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that is that a lot of us grew up reading
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: comic books, but at the time it had a negative
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: connotation to it. We were ashamed of it. We were
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: beaten up for it, taunted for it. And now that it's...
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: When Batman came out, it was actually... It didn't help
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: us at all. It actually fed into that cliche that...
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you know, comic book movies are ridiculous and silly.
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: Is there more Tim Burton slamming what's happening right now?
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: That's what I was going to say. We've shifted to
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: the Tim Burton Batman. I think he deserves it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think he deserves it. But as the comic book
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: movies kind of got more serious and more introspective and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: more philosophical, I think that it became cool to see
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: these movies. And in a way, for those of us
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: who grew up reading them, it's a vindication. It's like, see,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: there is something to our passions or all the films
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: or the comics that we read as kids. It isn't
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: a ridiculous, throwaway, campy, silly medium anymore.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: It's finally, yeah. And I guess it also showed it
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: could be financially successful. And that's really all the suits need.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: So it kind of worked on both ends. It makes
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: us feel better that we're not, you know, total nerds anymore.
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: We like things that are popular now. But, yeah, as
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: long as it's also making somebody in the office money,
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: then they'll keep it going. So in case we don't
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: have this conversation tomorrow, I think we need to get
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: into it now.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: I disagree with you. Because there was a.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: A special program that was a formative part of my
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: upbringing and it was the animated Beetlejuice. You seem to
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: have a very different take on it than I did
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: so I was going to see what your thoughts were.
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: About?
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: About your time on the Beetlejuice animated cartoon.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Well, the original Beetlejuice movie was, I don't know, it
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: was kind of a middling success.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: At the time. It found its fan base after the factory.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and for some reason they decided that it was.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Awesome.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Awesome? Did you say awesome? Totally awesome. Awesome idea to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: do a Saturday morning animated cartoon, which in one sense, yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: it kind of makes a perfect sense to... It kind
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: of lends itself to animation.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: However.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: not necessarily for a Saturday morning. And, um, it ended
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: up being, uh, a lot of really bad puns.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I mean, I'll give you, they, they
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: took a big leap in it when they readjusted the
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: story because, you know, Beetlejuice isn't a nice guy. So
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: it was, it was interesting that to then make the cartoon,
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: they made him like best friends with Lydia as opposed
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: to Which is.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of creepy when you think about it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: Trying to creepily marry her as a 12-year-old girl. So,
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's a very big shift from the movie
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: version of him. But, again, you have to make a
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: kid's cartoon. I think that's why I liked it, because
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: it wasn't really a kid's cartoon, because it was.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: The weird.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: Just weirdness of it. The weird, creepy levels of stuff
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: that was going on was, I think, what I tapped
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: into more. And I know there's a couple of people
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: that I've run into that it was a very, like...
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: Marlena that's on the show has cited it as one
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: of the reasons she's as messed up as she is now.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I take full responsibility for that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: I would hope so, really. So, yeah, I don't know.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: What was the, I guess, the situation of how you
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: got involved with it?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I'd already been working for Nelvana for quite a few years,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and they had gotten this project, and we just.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that the actual show ended
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: up reflecting the movie all that well.
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: It's a very different thing than the movie, which usually
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: I don't like when they do those weird transfer... I mean,
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: they've done so many of those.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: It can be done well. Yeah. But, again, you're talking
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: about a Saturday morning cartoon, which I don't know how
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: much thought they really put into.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Effectively translating or at least re... or changing it to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: fit the animated medium. I know that most people... The
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: point of using animation is to do something that you
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: cannot do in live action. But Beetlejuice, the movie, was
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: already sort of a cartoon already. And so the transition
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: should have been fairly easy. But... though, uh, I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: animation and particularly, uh, Saturday morning animation is, is, is
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: kind of thought as, um, uh, bottom of the barrel
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: sort of filmmaking.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: Uh, and sometimes rightfully so. It depends on the shows.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, we, I remember, uh, working there and they
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: had some sort of, uh, psychologist come in and, um, to,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to tell us, yeah, yeah, to tell us, uh, basically, um,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: how to structure the TV shows for a child audience.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And her opinion was that the stories and basically her
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: idea is that we should talk down to kids. We
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: should make it easy for kids to understand everything. And
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I believe we should be making
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: smarter films so that they have something to learn and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: move up towards.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: That I've always said, yeah. And they do, especially now,
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: it seems like 70s and 80s kids' movies were way
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: smarter and didn't play down versus the stuff now is
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: just crap and is making our kids dumber almost.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Well, the great thing about the old Bugs Bunny cartoons,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily catch every single joke along the way.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And the filmmakers were making them for themselves. They weren't
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: really concerned with, okay, is the audience going to get this?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of in-jokes, jokes that nobody else
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: would get.
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: A lot of weird Hollywood jokes, too, from the time
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: that no kid, even now, kids are like, have no
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: idea who those characters are.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But as you watch them the first time, you get
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: most of the slapstick jokes. The second time you watch them,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you get a few more. And I think after a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: few times, I think that's why it has such lasting power.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Every time you watch it, you get a new joke.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And even if you don't, the old jokes are so
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: well constructed that you can watch it over and over again. However,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: when you get to Saturday morning cartoons, which is just
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: filled with puns, and puns is like, to me, the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: lowest common denominator in terms of joke telling. And How
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: many times can you listen to a pun and then
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: laugh at it?
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know how many episodes worth. I think... I mean,
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: I will agree, thinking back, a lot of... I mean,
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: maybe the jokes and the dialogue weren't... I think more
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: what I latched onto is that world that it built.
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: Because most of the movie, Beetlejuice, is still in the
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: real world. And you get those minor little shots into their,
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: the other side of that door and the sandworms and
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: all of that, you get little glimpses here and there
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: where that cartoon pretty much takes place, you know, 99%
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: in that world. And I, I think that stuff that,
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: that sort of fleshed out the, the society that they
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: had there and the other weird characters that were brought in.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: I think that's what I ended up latching onto and
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: really enjoying is, Maybe more so than the bad puns
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: that I've probably blocked out as the years have gone on.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: You're sick. I don't agree.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: That's true. But, you know, I'm holding other people responsible
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: for the good stuff that was in there. You were
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: the one writing those bad puns, but the people drawing
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: those cool landscapes that I like, that's how I'm going
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: to go with it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: No, those scripts were already written before I ever got
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: around to them, so I'm not taking responsibility for that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: I can still blame you, though. You can. Well, again,
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: is there anything in the middle there that you wanted to,
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: that you had? Because there were several.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: What did you say about it?
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you know, I didn't know if you
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: wanted to go into the other stuff, or I'm sure
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: people are more interested in Battlestar.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Galactica, so I didn't know if. Well, Beetlejuice was a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: long time ago. It was many, many years ago. I've
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: already been trying to block it out.
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: I'll be the one bringing it up every time.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: A lot of sessions and a lot of, yeah, no.
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: So Battlestar Galactica was more of your, you know, you
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: were a lot more important in that process. I mean,
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: how did, did they come to you with, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: wanting to redesign things, or how did that happen?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It very definitely was a case of knowing the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: right people at the right time. Yeah. And I happen
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to know the Super Effects supervisor. Super Effects? Did I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: just say that?
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: We made up new words. We get credit for that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Special Effects. Supervisor.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: I'm going with Super FX.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Super FX. And he asked me if I wanted to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: do Battlestar Galactica. And at the time, my experience has
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: basically been animated cartoons, and I really hadn't done spaceships
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and robots. But I said yes. I'll do it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: That's the way you do it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: Just blindly jump into stuff.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And then I started to have a nervous breakdown because I... No, really. Actually,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: it was a childhood dream of mine to do this
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. But I really hadn't done a.
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: Lot of it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: Had you watched the old show ever?
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Up in Canada, the first episode made it
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to the movie theaters.
• 32:18
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they made it here, but.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: I just kind of remember being on TV, and I
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: really just liked the robot dog. I liked the Cylons,
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: and I liked the robot dog.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And you know how they did that, right? They had
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a chimpanzee on the inside.
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: That's how all good effects are, right? In my mind,
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: that's how everything runs.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: My feeling is that when they came around to do
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the reimagining, I figured that's what they should do with
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Lorne Green. They should have a monkey inside a Lorne
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Green suit.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: A monkey in a Lorne Green suit. Selling dog food.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Bring him back.
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: I'm all for that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I would watch that. I would watch that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: That's pretty awesome.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, but anyways, yeah. So the opportunity presented itself.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I told them, yes, I could do it even though I,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know, inside I was, uh, lying through my teeth. Uh, but, uh, uh, basically, uh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: what happened was I locked myself in my room and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I drew spaceships for two weeks until I got to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the point where I said, I think I can do this. Wow. And, uh,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: so they gave me the, the, the job and, um, And,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you know, this is 10 years ago. And being an
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: artist or somebody who draws, it's an ongoing process. You
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: don't actually suddenly one day become an artist. It's not
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: like I dropped out of the womb and bang, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: can draw. So nowadays, when I look back at those drawings, yeah,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it's pretty painful. I look at them and go, wow,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I can't even look at these. But if I, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: in the wider picture, when I consider this was 10
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: years ago, and I hadn't really drawn spaceships before.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: I think a good artist always does that. You're never
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: really pleased with it. You're hopefully happy with that at
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: the current time, but you'll look back 10 years ago,
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: you won't like your stuff. 10 years from now, you
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: won't like what you just did. That's the way you learn.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: That's the way you become better. When I learned to paint,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I did one painting. I didn't go to school. I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: didn't learn from a book. I just said, okay, I'm
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: going to buy some paints and I'm going to do
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a painting. And it took me two months to do.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't the fact that I was painting for
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: two months. It was the fact that I was dabbing
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the paint onto the canvas, three seconds, and staring it
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: for 20 minutes, going, what's wrong? What is wrong? And
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: that's the way you learn. I like learning to draw
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: or learning to paint almost like a game. And when
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you do it this way, it's almost like playing Where's Waldo? you're, you're,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you're trying to figure, you've got something in front of
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you and you're trying to make it look a certain way,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: but you don't know exactly what's wrong. And, and, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you're trying to find it, whether it's perspective, whether it's
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a lump in the wrong place, whether it's the color
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: is wrong. But once you figured out that puzzle, you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: are that much closer to becoming a better artist or
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a better illustrator, whatever the case may be.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: That's, I mean, yeah, I've, actually done a lot of
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: pieces with different artists and stuff and i've noticed over
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: the years it's the ones i'm usually drawn to and
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: the ones i seem to like the most are self-taught
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: and i think there's something about that i think there's
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: something to learning the basics officially but i think people
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: who have that you know that they take it upon
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: themselves that i just want to create there's something about
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: their work that's a little different that kind of makes
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: it i think it'll stand out a little more from from.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: The other people yeah yeah and and Learning to paint
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: or learning to draw is... Yeah, I mean, I do
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: believe that the word talent is overused. And I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: drawing is pretty much like a craft. I know a
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: lot of people who come up to me and say,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you know, how do you learn how to draw? And
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: it's very simple. You just practice. It isn't something that was...
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: given to me. It isn't like a magic elixir that
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I took one day. I sat down and I decided
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted to draw. It's exactly the same as learning
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to play the piano as it is learning to speak
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a new language. It's a craft. It's a skill. And
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: it wasn't something that was handed to me one day.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: This all sounds like a lot of work.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, exactly it is.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: Where's that magic pill at, Dan?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Chuck Jones, the animator who did a lot of Warner
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Brothers cartoons.
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: Amazing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: His quote on learning to draw is that every artist
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: has about a thousand bad drawings in them. And the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: sooner you get them out, the better off you'll be.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And that's absolutely true. There is no secret way to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: learn to draw except to do it. And it may
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: not happen today. It may not happen tomorrow. But every
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: time you do a drawing, you get incrementally better and better.
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: And.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I can't count how many bad drawings I've done in
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: my lifetime. I've got a landfill with my name on
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: it somewhere. And it's true.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: It's true. How old were you when you did that first,
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: I want to paint, you know, when you had that moment?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember. Basically, my mom just gave me
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a stack of paper and a pencil and just said,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: go to it. And, you know, you may go through
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of just scribbles, but there's a certain
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: worth in that too. You're learning how to hold the pencil.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: You're learning how to hand-eye coordination to move that hand
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to make the mark that you want. And so, yeah,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: for people that want to learn how to draw, I
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: think that, number one, don't get discouraged. Number two, if
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you're drawing, don't feel that you have to make a
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: great drawing every single time. Nobody has to see it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: You can throw it away. Nobody has to know that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you made a bad drawing. But just keep doing it
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and keep... trying to figure out that problem. It's a challenge.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: It's a problem. It's like a puzzle. It's like Sudoku
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: or crosswords or whatever. And the beauty of it is
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that once you've mastered one level, you can go on
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to the next level and the next level. And by
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the end, or actually there is no end, but after
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a few levels, you've gotten to the point where you've
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: got a skill that is useful in life. You don't
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: actually have to become an artist. You don't have to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: use it as your profession. But in any... anything you
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: do in life, the skill of drawing is useful. It
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: isn't something that you can ignore and throw away one day.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: You can pass it on. I'm going to date myself,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: but it seems like a lot of the newer generation
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: are spending a lot of time playing video games and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: hours and hours on video games. And what do you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: get out of it? you get sore thumbs.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: I got a new high score.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Or, or carpal tunnel syndrome or, uh, but, uh, uh,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: if you're learning to draw, um, that's something that is useful,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you know, whether you realize it or not. Um, um,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and it's, it is not with, it is not beyond
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: your reach. Anybody can do it. You just have to
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: spend the time and, practice. I figure to get to
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: a professional level, if you really work hard at it,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you can get it done in about a year. And
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that's not... When all is said and done, that's not
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: too bad for a skill that's useful and... you know, uh,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you can use, it's a party trick. Yeah. Drawing people
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: will come, you know, look at what you're drawing.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: And then you just build on it from there. It's
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: like the more you do it, you know, you build
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: up and get better.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: What, what is it, um, cause you say you started
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: with drawing and you learned painting. What is it that
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: made you move into like animation?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Um, it wasn't necessarily a conscious move. Um, I, uh,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: always loved the, the, the, um, art on one side
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and film on the other. But the combination being animation
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: was something that I had not seriously considered going into.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons being is that animation is such
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: a long and tedious process. For those of you who
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: really don't know how animation is put together, it's essentially
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a handmade film. At least at that time. This is pre-CG.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It's slightly changed now. But at the time... But at
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the time, you had to draw every single frame. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of drawings. And it is very tedious.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And when I was going to art school, I initially
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: wanted to get into illustration. But they didn't have illustration.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: All they had was animation. So I took that instead.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And I discovered I hated animation. I hated drawing essentially
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the same picture over and over again. It was magical
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: when you got to see the movement. But getting to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: that point... was incredibly tedious. And so I went on
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: to find another art school which actually had illustration, which
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: was in Toronto. And before I even got to my
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: first class, I was hired by an animation company.
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: Nice.
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: That's it.
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: That's good.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: Whatever way took you there, it ended up working out.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: The bad thing was that during those years, there really
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't anything that I would consider something that I'm terribly
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: proud of. On the other hand, it got me drawing
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: every single day.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And that is invaluable. Regardless of how much I was paid,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: regardless of how many hours I spent working, the fact
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: is that the simple act of drawing every single day
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: was something that was.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: I guess it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Gave me the discipline to pick up the pencil every
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: single day and really practice and keep going. And, yeah,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: even though there was nothing I was really proud of,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: over the years I improved. I improved significantly.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: I'd say so. You got a couple good ones over there.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, thanks.
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: Screw you, too. That's how most of my interviews end.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: And we're done.
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: Hey kids, it's time again for the Fright Night Horror Weekend,
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: coming June 29th through July 1st at the Gold House
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: Hotel and Convention Center in Louisville, Kentucky. This year's guests
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: include Bruce Campbell, Sean Astin, Corey Feldman, John Rhys-Davies, the
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: fifth Doctor himself, Peter Davison, plus James Marsters and Nicholas Brendan,
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: as well as Tyler Mayne, Deborah Foreman, Andy Barclay, Christine
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: Elise McCarthy, Sid Haig, Caroline Williams, as well as a
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: Monster Squad reunion, and an Evil Dead 2 reunion. Plus,
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: as usual, this is not just one, but two conventions,
• 43:36
  Speaker 11: so when you go to the Fandom Fest convention, you'll
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: see a Beverly Hills 90210 reunion, Featuring Jason Priestley and
• 43:43
  Speaker 11: Luke Perry. And a weird science reunion. Plus a wide
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: array of filmmakers, artists, and vendors will be on hand.
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: Including a special appearance by your friends at Movie Meltdown.
• 43:53
  Speaker 11: So remember, that's Fright Night Horror Weekend combined with Fandom Fest.
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: Two conventions combined to bring you all the pop culture
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: action you can cram into one weekend. That's June 29th
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: through July 1st at the Gold House Hotel and Convention
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: Center in Louisville, Kentucky. So just go to FrightNightFilmFest.com for
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: all the details.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Mummy?
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: Yes, dear?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Mummy, I want to hear some of Nick Tan's wonderful songs.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Do you, dear?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, Mummy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: What can I do? Well, dear, you can go to www.nicktan.co.uk.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Will there be details of his gigs there too, Mummy? Yes, dear.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Will there be pictures of him and his instruments?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, Mummy, please say yes.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, dear.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Will there be widgets, too, to click on? You know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: those ones that link to his blogs.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: And his podcasts? Yes, dear.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And links to his friends' websites, too? Yes, dear. Mummy?
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: Yes, dear.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Are there links to simply everything that Nick Tan does there?
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: Yes, dear.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, dear. What was the address again, mummy dearest? www.nictan.co.uk Oh,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: thank you, mummy. Thank you so very much.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 45:28
  Speaker 14: Did y'all know this back door was open?
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, you did know.
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: Well, I just wanted to let you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: Know so somebody didn't just walk in because I don't
• 45:37
  Speaker 10: have a key or else I'd lock it because I
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: reprogrammed all the locks and he's got the keys to
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: do it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: Okay, okay. I will check with him and make sure
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: he knows to lock everything up before we're done.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's definitely a very different... Are you okay?
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: I'm so used to having that happen.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: The part of the security guard was played by Wilford Brimley.
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: He looked more like Martin Mull, actually.
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: Anyway.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: With Wilford Brimley's mustache. Are they still alive?
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: Wilford Brimley is, surprisingly. I believe Martin Muller is.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's all that oatmeal, I think.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that oatmeal and diabetes. That keeps him alive, I suppose.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: Instant Quaker Oatmeal.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It's the right thing to do.
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: Hello, this is Caroline Munro, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Get more out of life. Go out to.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: A movie.
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: My name is Barnabas Collins. Two centuries ago, I made
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: Collinwood my home.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: My love.
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: Until a jealous witch cursed me, condemning me to the shadows.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: One of you die!
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: For all time.
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: What the hell is this?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: He's coming.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: He's coming. Hear me, future dweller.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: What is the year?
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: 1972.
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: 1972?
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: My beloved Colin Wood.
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: Collins family.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Who the hell is this?
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: I'm a vampire, madam.
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: He'll just stay with us forever, is he?
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: I like him.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Welcome home, Barnabas Collins.
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: How soon can the horses be ready? We don't have horses.
• 47:59
  Speaker 15: We have a Chevy.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: What sorcery is this?
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: Reveal yourself, tiny songstress.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Hello, Barnabas.
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: Remember me? Which?
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: You cursed me to be this hideous creature.
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: You may strategically place your wonderful lips upon my posterior
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: and kiss it repeatedly.
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: What if I made you love me?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: With what, a spell?
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: With this.
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: I must admit, they have not aged a day.
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: Is she for real?
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: Indeed.
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: If I can't have you, I'll destroy you.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: And your family.
• 48:42
  Speaker 14: I shall restore the family business to its former glory.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Burn, baby, burn.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Fight on, Barnabas.
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: Fight on for us.
• 48:58
  Speaker 14: And fight I shall.
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: Love me.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 49:13
  Speaker 15: Was a regrettable turn of events are you.
• 49:17
  Speaker 14: Stoned or something they tried stoning me, my dear.
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: It did not work.
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: It seems like only yesterday I embraced.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: The eternal flame.
• 49:35
  Speaker 16: I want to know if I have only ashes.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: If the sun should shine on me.
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: I want a taste for your life.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I call it war, I call it war Feel the
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: wind grow.
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: Stronger, see the fall come right Casting its dark shadows,
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: the beast will be tonight Feel the wind grow stronger,
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: as the war.
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: Grows Since I made you watch this movie, we should
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: probably talk about it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: And I hate you for it.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: We all suffered.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: You chose this movie. Actually, the party who's not here
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: right now chose the movie.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: It was a setup.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: We have been duped.
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: This is a scam, if ever I saw it. So
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: with that, yeah, we rarely do we actually leave the house,
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: the geeks that we are, at least on this end.
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: I don't know about you, but, you know. This time,
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: because of the request, we decided to go with a
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: newer movie, which rarely happens as well. And we went
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: out on the town, actually out in the world with people.
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: It's kind of scary. And so, yeah, this week's out
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: on the town feature is Dark Shadows.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: The year is 2012. Director Tim Burton. The plot, according
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: to IMDb, an imprisoned vampire, Barnabas Collins, is set free
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: and returns to his ancestral home where his dysfunctional descendants
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: are in need of his protection.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: You're reading from notes.
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: No, I'm reading the IMDb. I didn't memorize that. My
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: brain barely works, period, let alone memorization, so... That having
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: been said, spoiler alert, I'm sure we will not only
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: spoil this movie, but certain parties might trash it. Yeah,
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: we didn't do the spoiling.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: It was spoiled the day it was released.
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: If you want to see it, feel free to go
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: watch it now and then come back and listen to
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: the rest of this after you've seen it. Okay, are
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: you back? You poor bastards. All right, so let's get
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: into it. Where would you like to begin with Dark Shadows?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Cue the crickets.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: I can go with it if you want. I don't know. Again,
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: we can start with just a General Tim Burton, and
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: it's interesting that someone who's sort of somewhere down the
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: line worked for Tim is here. You got your paycheck
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: signed directly by him, right?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: Okay, there you go. See, that counts. So, and it
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: gives you a reason to be angry at him. Everybody
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: hates their boss. So, I mean, I was a big,
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: as I previously mentioned, a big Tim Burton fan and
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: really latched onto a lot of his early movies and
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: think he put out some really impressive stuff in that
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: first half of his career. And This is very different.
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: He hit the midpoint in his career and it changed drastically,
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: I don't... I can't... I'm challenged to think of another
• 53:27
  Speaker 13: director that has higher highs.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And lower lows.
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: I mean.
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: The best of what he does is the best of
• 53:34
  Speaker 13: what can be done. And the worst is just so
• 53:37
  Speaker 13: beyond pitiful that.
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: It's... It's just mediocre... Heartbreaking. Mediocre mainstream studio crap.
• 53:45
  Speaker 16: And.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Which.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: is fine with a lot of directors out there. You
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: get a lot of people making these big-budget nonsense kind
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: of movies, and you expect that, but he is an auteur.
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: You know, he can deliver amazing work, and he just
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: doesn't most of the time now, and that's frustrating, I'd say.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't even know where to put the blame.
• 54:07
  Speaker 13: I feel like he sort of surrounds himself with his friends,
• 54:10
  Speaker 13: and they're just sort of their own lowest common denominator
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: at this point.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Like, I feel like he and Johnny.
• 54:15
  Speaker 13: Depp just don't, it just has become so self-indulgent at
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: this point.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: Somebody needs to separate those two. It's like a Siamese
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: twin thing at this point. They need to stop, so.
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I agree, and I've said this about
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: a lot of other directors as well, and that's usually
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: why a lot of times you get their best work
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: right out of the gate, you know, because they don't have,
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: they're not surrounded by yes-men. They're not having people just
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: tell them everything they do is amazing, and more than likely,
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: they've got really tight constraints on financial situations and equipment,
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: and it makes you be more creative, and it makes
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: you put together a better movie, whereas when you have
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want, you
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: see what happens.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: And there was a comeback.
• 55:03
  Speaker 13: I mean, for me, Big Fish, when that film came out,
• 55:06
  Speaker 13: that was such a beautiful, perfect.
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: Movie for me.
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: That's the one... in the last, I mean, he's, he's
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: turned in a few that are more acceptable, but that's
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: the one that I really liked in the middle of,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: once you hit post Planet of the Apes, everything from
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: there is a downward slalom, but there's this one little
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: spike in the middle with Big Fish, and, and, uh, yeah,
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: I think it's, it's still, and I think the difference
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: with that is, it was an original idea. It, I mean,
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: it's back to, like, when he did stuff like You know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: Beetlejuice or Edward Scissorhands. These were things that, even Nightmare
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: Before Christmas, these are things that he had been working
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: with in his head forever and he really had a
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: love for them. And then you see when they hand him,
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: you know, franchises, when he's got to do Batman and
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: when he's got to do Planet of the Apes. it's
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: a different movie. And Batman was a little more acceptable
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: for me. I think you disagree here. But again, I
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: still liked what he was doing at that point. But
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: it's different. You can definitely tell when it's something that's
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: a personal thing and when they just hand him a
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: franchise and go, here, you've seen Alice in Wonderland before.
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: Put something together kind of like that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and I don't know if it, because Big Fish
• 56:14
  Speaker 13: was a novel. So I don't know if that was,
• 56:16
  Speaker 13: if the source material was just so much better and
• 56:19
  Speaker 13: when it comes.
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: But it's still like, again, dedicating it to his father
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: in that story, it's like, it's a very personal attachment
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: that he had to that story. So I think, again,
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, you watch people, I don't know, even if
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: it's not your material, you can see directors do stuff
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: from another screenwriter and still have a real, you know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: it really does feel like it's their movie.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that movie more than any other is,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: he was more restrained than, I mean, he didn't just
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: go wild with his, With his Tim Burton-y visuals. And
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I think when you restrain him, I think that may
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: force him to concentrate introspectively on the characters rather than. okay,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: let's get them wild hair and eyeshadow eyes.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: That's just Johnny Depp. He comes with that stuff now.
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: And here's Johnny Depp. He walks in from going to
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: the grocery, and he's got wild hair and eye makeup on.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: And that was the thing.
• 57:22
  Speaker 13: I mean, I always have enjoyed that as part of
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: Tim Burton's aesthetic, and I wanted it to be accompanied
• 57:28
  Speaker 13: by a story again.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's what I've been missing. Like, I actually
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: sort of like his vision. I like the wild hair,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: and I like the crazy sets.
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: At times it works.
• 57:35
  Speaker 13: But it does need to be anchored by a story
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: and not just his interpretation of a classic childhood story.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Characters that he wants to destroy.
• 57:47
  Speaker 13: Like the problem with this I mean honestly I was
• 57:51
  Speaker 13: so resistant to this film being adapted because I do
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: have a soft spot for the series I mean it
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: was a part of my childhood.
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: And they do a very different take on it which
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: is what worried me if he was going to take
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: it as granted they took it a little too seriously
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: sometimes on the show but they at least were you
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: know serious about what they were trying to do where
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: that first trailer made this look like a big slapstick
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: stupid kind of movie and Even more so than it is.
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, actually, that first trailer made it look really bad.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: It reminded me of... It was almost like Beetlejuice 2.
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: Well, I wish it was Beetlejuice 2. All which they're
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: trying to do, unfortunately. But, yeah, we won't even go there.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Was it Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian?
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe. Beetlejuice Goes to College. He follows Lydia there,
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: and they... It's the college years. That's creepy. He's a
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: party guy.
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: Come on.
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: Beetlejuice Goes Shoplifting. Not Beetlejuice. He's a nice guy. Well,
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: I was going to say that... I think that if
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: we're going to get into our issues with it, I
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: think that's the main thing with me was I got,
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: I'm still sitting in there. It wasn't even over yet.
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: And I'm sitting there going, that's what's missing in this
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: because the aesthetic is still there. He can still come
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: up with his crazy visuals. And occasionally he still shoots
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: some good stuff that the shot of him up at
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: the beginning on the cliff, that's a good shot. And
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: it's like, there's some stuff there that, essence of who
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: he is is still there, what's missing now is relationships,
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: you know, it's like, that's what was so good about
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: the early movies, is, you know, that relationship of, it's
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: not just Beetlejuice being wacky, it's the fact that we
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: meet Lydia, and we actually get to know her, and
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: the ghost, and her family, and all of that stuff
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: seems real, and grounded, and edward scissorhands you know it's
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: not just you know about the crazy edward hands it's
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: like he's a real character and we spend a lot
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: of time with them and that family and it all
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: feels real whereas this there's no relationships built at all
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: in this movie i think it's that's my main problem
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: with it is it's just throwing wacky characters at it
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: and then half the time they don't even connect on screen.
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah there's no story And it's very poorly written. And
• 59:56
  Speaker 13: for the first half hour, I didn't hate it. I
• 59:59
  Speaker 13: was like, oh my gosh, this might actually surprise me.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 13: This might not be a terrible movie. I thought the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 13: setup was there.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: It's all visuals and it looks good.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 13: And the sets were phenomenal. And then it just completely,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 13: I mean, there was no story and it totally fell apart.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 13: And it was just the same terrible That 70s Show
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 13: joke over and over. And they didn't even go someplace
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 13: interesting with it.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: It was all lava lamps.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: But the 70s are so funny. Come on.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: They're hilarious.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: There were one or two that was funny. Again, my
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: geeky Scooby-Doo thing, this is a very silly play, was
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: a funny line. I'm sorry. I'm like, he's got a point.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: It's a pretty silly show.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: That's strange. There are a lot of really respected directors
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: out there who have a singular, unique vision, and we
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: applaud them for taking a bold stance. But for Tim Burton,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I'm actually kind of tired of of seeing the same
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: tim burton style over and over again and it just
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: seems one note.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: I've said that for years i was like everything that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: you know you'll you'll be reading through the movie news
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: and every week it's like of course he's doing dark
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: shadow you know it's like oh tim burton's gonna do
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: uh what was the one before uh alice in wonderland
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: the uh tweenie todd which isn't even bad that's probably
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: one of the other more watchable things he's done lately
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: but again it's like Well, of course he's doing Sweeney Todd.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, is there anything? Guess what? It's going to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: have Johnny Depp in it. He's going to have crazy hair.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: It's like everything he's done for the last 10, 15 years,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: of course, he's going to do Alice in Wonderland. You know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: it's like it all fits his M.O. so perfectly that
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: it's just like, for God's sakes.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 10: M.O.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Or E.M.O.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: That too.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 10: Both.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: It's like, for God's sakes, take a chance. You know,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: it's just like do something. That's why, you know, well-respected
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: directors are well-respected because they do something that pushes the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: envelope and they do something that's maybe out of their
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: comfort zone and that's why it gets a little better
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: you know when they keep making movies where he is
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: so phoning it in at you know Alice in Wonderland
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: point and god help us Willy Wonka that I yeah
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: it's like all of that is it just feels so
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: lazy at this point he's just it's paint by numbers
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: you can Insert Johnny Depp, insert Danny Elfman. You can
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: build this movie on your computer. You can put a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: randomizer on it and make your next Tim Burton movie.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: But that's what I'm.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 13: So frustrated about because I do feel like so much
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: care and time and effort was put into the costumes,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: into the sets. Yeah. And everything's so beautifully done. I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: don't understand why they couldn't just, you know, maybe.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: Take some time.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: But that's it. He's purely a visualist.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: He concentrates on the visual aspect of it. and I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: don't think the characters are his strong point at all.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: No, definitely not in this one. That's some of the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: ones I was going to go into. The main problem,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: I think, with this movie was essentially, as it goes on,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: it doesn't start out this way, but essentially it's supposed
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: to be this love story between Barnabas and Victoria. It
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: should be, really, I guess, if the way that it
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: wraps up, that's what it should be built with, especially
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: with the setup in the beginning, like there's some sort of,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: you know, reincarnation or something, who knows, but, I mean,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: if you're gonna sell it that way, then that should
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: be a big arc in the story, and it goes nowhere, like,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, she's barely on screen a lot of the movie,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: and by the end, I mean, it's like, I don't know,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: it's like we get, we don't have any scenes of
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: them getting to know each other, it really should be
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: some sort of building of a relationship, we have nothing,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: we don't see them getting to like each other, all
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: we know is he likes her hips. That's a fun,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: which I'm sure she has fine hips, but childbearing.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: Well, fine childbearing hips. I'm sure she has, but we
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: really should have seen a little more building in there
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: between the two of them. If that's going to be
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: a major point in the story. And then that, yeah,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: towards the middle there, she just disappears for a good
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: 20 minutes. And then she comes back and all of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: a sudden he professes his love for her. And I'm like, where,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: where did that come from? Why is she not like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: freaked out by that and pressing charges in this day
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: and age? So, I don't know. It's just like that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: seemed like a major hole in the plot. That like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: if this is going to be an important relationship, we
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: should be brought in on that and it should be
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: important to us too. We should get to see that relationship.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. We just need more 70s jokes.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: Well, okay, I'll give you if you want one of those.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that's probably what he said. He probably feels
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable dealing with relationships and looking the way he is
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: i i i can't blame him.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's because he's hooked up with a homewrecker but
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: she is i'm sorry we brought it up on the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: show before she's a homewrecker she's done it twice now
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: oh i forgot about she's done it she's been in
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: a movie with a director broken up his marriage and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: then the the first time then within a short amount
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: of time left him got in another movie with a director,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: broke up his relationship. I don't even think they were married,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: but they'd been together for like 10 years and then
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: hooked up with it. Now, granted, she's settled down now.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: She's not quite as much of a homewrecker these days,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: but she's got a track record.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: I've got issues with her. I've got issues with Tim Burton, too. So,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just feel like I should equally throw
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: a lot of blame in their direction. They're a power couple,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: and I don't like their power.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: I do often reference them, though.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 13: I like the fact that they have separate homes with
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: a tunnel, the subterranean tunnel that connects the two.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's a really good.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, I do want that. I know.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: That's fucking awesome.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: It kind of is.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 13: I mean, if you have the means, I think that's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 13: the perfect domestic situation.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Underground tunnel, this is like a Freudian thing.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: Ooh, wait a minute.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: I see where you're going.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I think when Tim Burton was at his best was
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: when he was doing his short films early, early on.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Vincent is brilliant.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: Vincent is brilliant.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: And his ideas, I think, you know, it fits the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: short film. It fits that, God, what's the word?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: Medium.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Medium. No, not medium. Let's just sit here. Format.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: Format.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: There we go.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: It fits that format perfectly. However, when you give him
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: two hours, I think he runs out of steam very,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: very quickly.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: Which maybe is him coming full circle because the other
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: one I really love is Frankenweenie. And that's such a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: movie geek kind of movie. You can see what a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: big movie geek he is as a young filmmaker because
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: it's him loving all of those old cheesy horror movies.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: and now, again, going to turn around and make a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: two-hour version of it, and a huge, big-budget version with stars, and,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just... I don't know.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Does that idea support a two-hour movie? Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: It works so well in that.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: It's kind of cute and quaint, and it's like... I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: think the short film, that's perfect. You don't need to
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: go any bigger than that, but I'm not sure I
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: have any interest to see a two-hour version of it.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, as much as I love the original one, it's...
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: right at that middle point. It's like, you know, 30,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: 35 minutes, I think. And that's pretty much what you need.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: You know, it's, I don't know what you're going to do.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: You're just going to have to drag in weird subplots
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: going on with badly drawn characters more than likely. And
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: then that's just going to muddy the waters. And I
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: don't know that, that bothers me a lot that he's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: trying to now rip off himself. You know, it's like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: As if you're not messing with other pre-existing properties, you're
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: stealing from your own pre-existing properties.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: He's raping himself.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: That's an interesting visual.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 10: I don't know how the hell you do that.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: So, I don't know. Just back to the relationship thing.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: With all these characters and the lack of development. Like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: the Dr. Hoffman, again, one of our Helen Bonham Carter
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: kick here. What is that character really there for? Like,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: she doesn't do anything. She's supposed to be there for
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: the kid, right? We never see them interacting. We never
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: see her helping the kid. She just is drunk all
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: the time, which, again, if she was just there to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: be one of those side joke characters, like the old lady,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: you know, the old lady bits are funny. All right,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: she's just there, and that's what she does. But she's,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: you know, Dr. Hoffman's supposed to be a character, and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: yet she doesn't really do anything. The only thing is
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: that weird blood subplot thing, which really doesn't, at this point,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: turn out to be anything. Let's just cross our fingers
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: for the sequel.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Dark Shadows 2.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: Dark Shadows 2, Electric Boogaloo. So, I don't know.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Dark Shadow-ier.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: Now with more shadows. Book of Shadow. Oh, wait, they
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: already did that as a 2. So, I don't know.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: I thought that was sort of a wasted character. Like,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: she really didn't do anything with that, which may not
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: even be her fault, I guess, if it was written
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: that way.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 11: Bling on her husband.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about Johnny Depp going around in, like,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: my makeup for the whole movie?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: He's dead.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: That's what he does in every Tim Burton movie. What
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: are you talking about? Well, that's another.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: And that's what he's going to look like in the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: new Lone Ranger movie.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. He can't get away... Again, I'm starting to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: question him.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Crazy hair and white makeup.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 7: He's lost it. I mean, he's another one of those that, like,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: veered off at that pirate's point in his career. And
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: it's like, everything since then has just been crazy over
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: the top, you know, it's like he can't reign it in,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: he can't do a normal performance anymore, everything has to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: be falling off of things, and chewing on the scenery,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 7: and I don't know why, he like, he's such a
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: good actor, in his, somewhere in there, hose off all
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: the makeup, there's still a good actor in there somewhere,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: and I don't know, I don't understand why he's done
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: that with his career either, but with, I don't know,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: with his character, that was one I was going to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: ask you guys too, He's technically supposed to be our
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: hero in this. How do you feel about him? I mean,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: I got midway in. I'm like, I don't know that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: I like him, but he's not really like an anti-hero either.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: He's so middle of the road. I'm like, I don't
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: even know what I'm supposed to think about him. You know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: he's not like a bad guy, but I really love
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: what he's doing and it's fun. But he's not really
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: a good guy either because he's off in random, you know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: people in the cast. And like, he's sort of... Some
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: of the choices he makes, like I really... Don't understand
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: him shipping off Johnny Lee Miller's character. Like, what was
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: the point of that? You want to make this child
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: an orphan now? I mean, yes, he's a bad father,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: but he's not... Like, we don't see him do anything horrible.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: It's like, he's having sex with some woman. All right, well,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: his wife's dead. It's not illegal, I suppose. He's stealing
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: some wallets. But again, is this enough to make the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: child an orphan for the rest of his life? That
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: seemed like a very selfish act, too. And I'm like,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: he didn't seem like he wanted to be a surrogate.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: He didn't seem like he was stepping in. He's going
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: to be a great dad. So, I don't know. I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: just had issues with him as a character. He didn't
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: really bring one thing or the other to it. He
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: just sort of did his goofy thing and walked through it. But,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: I don't know. Did anybody else have problems with him
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 7: as a character?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 13: Yeah, but I think I had issues with all of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 13: the characters as characters.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: But, I mean, he's supposed to be our hero in
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: this story, which.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I guess he was supposed to be complicated or conflicted.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: Not really.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: Just kind of a jackass.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: And I'd already forgotten that Johnny Lee Miller wasn't even
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: in it.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 13: And the little boy, I mean, I think he's supposed
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 13: to be sort of the heart of the story, right?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 7: And he was just.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 10: Forgotten halfway through.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: He, again, disappears for about 20 minutes. And I'm like, oh, look,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: there's that kid again. I was just like, where did
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: he go? Well, and then that's one of those that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: I wasn't sure either because we also get those, like,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: he just inserts that same kind of character in everything
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: because when we get to the beginning, I'm like, so
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: is Chloe Grace Barrett supposed to be the new Lydia? Like,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: she's the teenage girl. Nobody understands her. She's, you know,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: she's totally different than everybody else and a very different
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: version of it, but it's kind of jamming that same
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: idea that he's so familiar. Again, not that he likes
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: to be super original. So it's like, I don't know.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: I thought that was a weird character, too. And it's like,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: for a while, I was like, are we supposed to
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: be on board with her? Like, is she the one
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: that we're supposed to be, you know, seeing it from?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 7: And then, again, she just has nothing to do. Like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: she is just, and that's, like the Johnny Depp thing,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: I don't understand why. Because she can be an amazing actress.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: So here I have to blame Tim Burton again. I'm like,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: is his instruction just act stone 24-7? You're angry. you're
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: kind of pissed off, but you're more stoned than anything else. Like,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: she just seems out of it for 98% of the movie,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: and then she has one scene that also makes no
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: sense at the end.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: Do we want to go there?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Do we need to address that?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: I guess, because I was just like, again, it's one
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: of those building kind of issues. I'm just like, where
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: did that come from? If you were going to bother
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: to work it in there and make it important, why
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: not at least plant that seed somewhere else or show
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: us that she's dealing with this?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: And again.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: build some character but just oh we need some more
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 7: cg monster effects in the finale here throw this in
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: here out of nowhere and then have somebody walk up
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: and give an explanation out of the blue oh and
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: guess what i did that too.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah remember are we gonna mention what the that is.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: Again again we threw out the spoiler alert so yeah
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: go to town.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: By the way she's a werewolf yeah by the way
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and that's how it was actually delivered in the movie
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: by the way i'm a werewolf.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: Deal with it I believe is how she actually put it.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 7: And wolf.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 13: It was such a throwaway thing, and then I couldn't
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 13: even wrap my head around it. How long of the
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 13: film was she supposed to have been a werewolf?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 7: It was when she was a baby, wasn't she? When
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: she sent the werewolf in and bit the child in
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: the crib.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: It's like a huge cheat. Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 7: If you don't put that into the story, it's totally
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 7: cheating at the end to show it off at the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: end there.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, I'm bulletproof. Oh, by the way,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I can fly.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: Did I forget to tell you that? Oops. Forgot to
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: set up the werewolf subplot.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 11: Oops.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: Oh, well, we got the CG done. Just put it
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: in there anyway.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: That I found really disturbing as well.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: There were a few shots of Johnny Depp where he,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: anytime he hits light, he burns. But there's scenes of
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: him in the daylight on the beach.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: With a hat and sunglasses. Come on.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: Boy, that one time he had an umbrella. I mean,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: come on. It's totally plausible.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I got sunburned under an umbrella.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of weird holes in the science,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: if you want to call that science.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I think when.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 13: He becomes so in love with the visuals, he's like,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 13: I need him with an umbrella and sunglasses, but I.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Also need him being burned by the light.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 13: And he just kind of just went with all of
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 13: it without caring about any sort of narrative repercussions.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, pretty much. Like, let's not worry about it.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: What about the macrame subplot?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: That needed to be expanded upon. I really like that.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: What the hell? I wanted to know more about that.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: They should have broken into like an hour lesson in
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: the middle of it, how to make an owl out
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: of macrame.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: But that was just another lazy 70s thing. And by
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: the way, macrame.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: Hilarious. Lava lamps and macrame.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: It's hilarious.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 15: Holland's family have always held the biggest and the most
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 15: wonderful balls.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 10: People don't throw balls anymore, stupid.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 11: No, they're not.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 13: They throw happenings.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 15: And how, pray, does one throw a happening?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Well, first things first, you'll need a mirror ball.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 15: Whatever that is, we shall have it.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: And booze, lots of booze.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: Carolyn.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 15: We shall have spirits enough to fill a schooner's hull.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 10: And Alice Coopers.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 15: I seem to recall an Alice Cooper from my youth.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 15: Does she reside in Collinsport?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 10: Not exactly.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 7: Okay, this was just, and I normally don't get so, like,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: fired up about this. A lot of people like to
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: bitch about this in movies. But I usually don't care
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: because it's real, the product placement. I'm like, well, their
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: products are all over our world. I'm kind of used
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: to that. But what the hell was the McDonald's?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: I was confused about that when they first showed the map.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: Like, in the text there at the beginning, I was like, okay,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: they're setting up a big joke. This is going to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: be funny, and then it's going to play in somehow
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: in the way that they wrap this up. And it's like,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: I'll let you skate by on the McDonald's tie-in money
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: if you actually work it into the plot, and it's funny,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: if it legitimately is a good joke.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 10: What?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: It's just gone. It's just a big shot of the M,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: and then it disappears, and they never bring it back.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: It's never.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: There is no joke. They just set up a joke
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: that doesn't happen, and then you realize, oh, it's just
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: there to remind me to get a Big Mac on
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: the way home. Is there any other reason for it
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 7: to be there?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 10: No, I can't speak to that at all.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: All of that fish-out-of-water stuff just didn't work. It was
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: all throwaway. You could have easily excised every single joke there,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: and it wouldn't have made one bit of difference in
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: the story.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but that one is so obvious, but then I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: was like, well, really, is this all just plant again
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: I don't normally bitch about that but we got the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: Chevy line we got the Shell station sign thrown up
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: there 20 or 30 times I'm just like he really
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: is working in these companies isn't he normally that doesn't
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: bother me but for some reason in this one it
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: just seemed really showcasing the I don't know that's strange
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: too again when you're dealing with multi multi millions of
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: dollars I guess that has to come into play I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: You'd think he'd want to push something like Revlon.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: Actually, I would like to see Johnny Depp be chosen
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: as the new face for CoverGirl and get some sort
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: of big makeup campaign, ad campaign out of it. I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: think they really need to get on that.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I think they're missing the boat there.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: Nobody does more for makeup than Johnny Depp.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Then again, who's that guy who does House? Hugh Laurie.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Isn't he the face of some cosmetics company.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: Is he?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: He is. I've seen ads, you know, just the face
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: of house, right? On, you know, Cosmo or something. And it's,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the point was, but.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: He needs a little pancake is what they're saying.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. Sure, why not Johnny Depp then?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I have a good touch. Yeah. Again, on the,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: on the forcing in things that are sort of familiar.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: Does anybody feel like the, Angelique could have been. Lisa Marie?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: Does she not feel like a stand-in because I can't
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: really work with Lisa Marie anymore? She really has that look.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 7: If he would have made this in the early 90s,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: that part would have been played by Lisa Marie. And
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 7: she does a good job. She's definitely... Again, she's an
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: over-the-top villain, but in that movie, she's fine. I mean,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: she doesn't do anything out of what's going on around her,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: so she does a good job, but I just thought, again,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: that's kind of creepy because I've seen a few other
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: times where he works that in, and it's a weird
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: relationship anyway, as I previously mentioned, so it's very strange
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: that now you're with your current wife working in, or
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: I think they're just engaged. I don't even know if
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: they ever got married, but with your current woman, you're
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: working in sort of this weird ghost of your previous woman.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: It's almost as if Tim Burton has a collection of
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: action figures, and each time he changes the scenario, he
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: just dresses them in different clothes.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: Kind of.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: Because there's been a few other times, and I'm like, well,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: this would have been... Yeah, he just sort of inserts
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: the same people in there. Even if I can't work
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 7: with her anymore, I'm still going to insert that same
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: character in there. It's just not going to be played
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: by her, but you know. Oh, okay. If we want
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: to give it credit for something, I like Alice Cooper
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: in there. I like Alice Cooper in there. Maybe it's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: just because I like Alice Cooper. And 70s era Alice
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: Cooper is amazing.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: But didn't they stay on him a little bit too long?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but you've got to give him the ugliest woman
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: ever line. It's pretty funny. And I like that they
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: don't even bother to change it. It's just Alice Cooper now.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: Alice Cooper 70s, whatever. He looks the same. It's like
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: pretending like Alice was never younger. He just always looked
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: like that. And yet he kind of pulls it off
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: because he's Alice and he's awesome. But again, just sort
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: of a random, hey, here's a couple of minutes for
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: a song. Like, it doesn't have to be there except
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: for that one joke. Like, other than that, it's just
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: another weird.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: It's like a Bollywood movie. It just suddenly segues into a.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 7: It's a weird distraction, if nothing else. But, so yeah,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: if we're doing little cameos, I guess we can throw
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 7: out Christopher Lee.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: Again, he's got to work him in. It's like a
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: checklist now. He's been doing it ever since the changeover.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: It's like now, you know, well, Christopher Lee's still alive,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: isn't he? All right, let's get him in this movie.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 7: Even if it's for two minutes.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: What is the Tim Burton playlist? Or checklist, sorry.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: Johnny Depp, lots of makeup, crazy hair. Someone that sort
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: of looks like Lisa Marie now that I can't have
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: Lisa Marie. I have to work in my favorite old
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: horctors like Vincent Price, but when he dies, I guess
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: I'll have to get Christopher Lee. What am I forgetting?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Is Martin Landau gone?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: Is he?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, never mind.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: Juliet's still around. He can just work her in now.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: The next generation will have to be worked in. But yeah,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm sure... In our romantic interest, we've
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: got to keep the life partner employed. Oh, yeah. That's
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: a given ever since.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Well, again.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: And I use life loosely. Afterlife part. No, that's a definite...
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 7: The tortured, angst-ridden teen. That's another thing that, again, in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 7: my bitching about her, Not only did I say she
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: busted up a couple of marriages, but I also kind
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: of blamed her. That's the jump the shark moment is
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: when he started working with her.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 7: The first time they worked together was Planet of the Apes.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: Everything went downhill from there. And also the point where
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: the two girls were in the same movie. Creepy. So that, yeah,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: that's the change. And like from that point on, Lisa's gone.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: Helena Bonham Carter's in every movie. Kind of playing a
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: very similar role usually, so. Yeah, so much of it
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: is just a checklist now, and I think that's a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: lot of the problem. And again, if we're complaining about
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: wasted talent, Jackie Earl Haley has nothing to do. He's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: just drunk the whole time. I don't get it.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was disappointing.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 13: And again, I'd completely forgotten he was in the film.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 13: I've really forgotten this film over the course of two weeks,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 13: which is.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: A blessing, I suppose, in many respects.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Well, hang on.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: Jackie.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Earl Haley played Freddy Krueger in The New Nightmare. And
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Freddy Krueger could be a stand-in for Edward Scissorhands.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: You're doing a lot of math on this. Okay, I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 7: guess we can.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, can we start now?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: Let's start from the beginning. So we can welcome Belle
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: into the mix here.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 10: Hi.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here for five more minutes. I've got to leave.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: We're about to do tag team and trade out here, so... Yeah,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: you have been listening to Eric Chu. We're now changing
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: up parts. Belle D.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 10: One thing is, like, should I worry about spoilers?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: We've already thrown out the spoiler alert, and we've viciously
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: jumped in on it.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Can I end language?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: Am I allowed to?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: Oh, we, yeah, I've already thrown out a few. I've
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: already thrown out a few, so, yeah, feel free. So, yes,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: if you were around last year, we talked to Belle.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: And I was trying to come up with a good
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: way to, you know, have us all sit down and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: do something this time. And I already placed the blame
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: on you. You were like, hey, let's watch Dark Shadows.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: So there was a little cursing your name earlier.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 10: I thought it was a.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: Setup where you tricked us all into watching it.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we were pretty sure. Never should. Yeah, I think
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: that's what it is. It's like, damn it. We got scammed. So, um, yeah,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: we are all, you know, up to our waist in
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: complaints about it. So we'll give you the floor now to,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: to go with your, uh, your take on it as well.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: So to defend it, that's, that's, that's your role. You
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: have to defend the movie.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 10: I don't really have any particular defending to do. It
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 10: is not something that I would recommend that people run
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 10: out and see, uh, However, that being said, there was
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 10: enough in it for me to enjoy, like as far
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 10: as the makeup, the costumes. I'm a big Elfman fan,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 10: and I really like the score. I like 1970s culture.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 10: So it's, I don't know, I likened it to the
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 10: Wolfman movie that came out in.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: 2010, which is kind of... I had a lot of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 7: problems with that one. Yes, exactly.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of problems there and it's definitely not
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 10: something that I would recommend, but it's got, I don't know.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 10: There's like enough in it for me to actually be
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 10: interested to rewatch it. Um, I would definitely not recommend
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 10: this movie. It's packed full of problems, and it's bad
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 10: because every time a new Tim Burton movie comes out,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 10: it's like, I keep holding out that hope that this
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 10: one's going to be different every time.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: It's going to be great.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 10: This one's going to be different. This one's going to
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 10: be different.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: He's going to come back. He never is.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 10: It's never different.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: Unfortunately.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: I feel the same way about John Carpenter.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: Well, he just went on that big jump for a
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: while there and didn't do anything.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: He hasn't come back from it since.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: I was okay with that one, but yeah, I want
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: to give him credit because he's done some of the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: best movies ever, in my opinion. Both of them, really.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: They've done some amazing work.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: This is odd, comparing Tim Burton to John Carpenter.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: Not necessarily. They're both very.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: Visual and very like they have their thing and they
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: and made classic works in i don't know i think
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: in a way they had that same moment in their
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 7: early career and then it's it's definitely changed at least
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: carpenter just kind of took a break and like didn't
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 7: keep cranking out these terrible movies and he never did
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: anything horrible to willie wonka so you know you're Yeah, I.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 10: Think that's a problem.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I would have seen a John Carpenter's Willy Wonka.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 7: That would be cool, actually. That would be cool.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 10: I think on Facebook in the comments, Tim Lucas from
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 10: Video Watchdog actually said that, made some comment about Dark
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 10: Shadows should have been directed by John Waters, and I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 10: was like, yes, that would have been perfect.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 8: I would watch that.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: I would watch anything John Waters does at this point.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: I love that guy.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: But he hasn't made anything in years.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 7: Again, he's just awesome on his own. Even if he
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 7: doesn't make movies now, he's just awesome. I just want
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: to hang out with him.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 10: He's apparently writing a book about hitchhiking right now.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: Did you see that? Yeah. He just randomly was out
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: on the side of the road.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he's apparently writing a book about it.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: That seems like him.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine picking him up in your car? They did.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: They showed somebody the other day that was just a
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: band full of kids that are in a band, and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: they were just like, that looks like John Waters. And
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: they picked him up, and they were like, so, John,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: what are you doing? And they immediately were like, hey,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: it's John Waters. And he's like, yeah, just thought of
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: going on an adventure. I love that guy. So, back
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: to people we're angry at. I think more actors should
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: do that.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Christopher Walken should go hitchhiking.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: I think you should force Tim Burton to be out
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: on the side of the road and people will just
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: blow past him. I'm not picking up that bastard. Not
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 7: after what he did to Planet of the Apes.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 10: I think, too, that's like... It's just like... I don't
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 10: know if he's even... actually trying anymore because it just
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 10: kind of seems like people, there's a certain group of
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 10: people that will go to pay to see the Tim
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 10: Burton brand. It's like, okay, you know, here's this thing.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 10: Tim Burton-ized. And I completely skipped the Alice in Wonderland thing.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: I still haven't seen it either.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 10: I'm going to take pass on that. But I kind
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 10: of hoped, and there's even still this part of me
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 10: that hopes that the Frankenweenie that's coming up this fall
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 10: is going to be good. But I just, you know,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 10: Corpse Bride was like a huge disappointment for me.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: And a lot of people, I think.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 10: So, and there again, it's amazing.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Especially the Necrophiliacs.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: Very disappointed. That's because there's so much better stuff out there.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: I'll send you the link, don't worry.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: And on that note, I've got to.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 7: Because you're going to go look for it. I know it.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Where's the Google?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: That's what I thought. Thank you to Eric for sitting
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: in with us.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 11: See you later.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 10: I'm really sorry about like suggesting dark shadows. I really
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 10: did not mean it to be like a burden upon everyone.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 10: It's like, how can I unsee that? I've seen worse.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 10: Believe me.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 7: That's true. And that's kind of where I was going
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: to go with it. Like as many problems as I've
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: had and as much stuff as I've just thrown out
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: on it. By the end, I was just kind of like,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: and this was the thing. There was like this, I
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 7: was sitting there in the theater and there was this,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 7: it was like a threesome if you want to call
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: it of of um like 50 ish people it was
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: like two guys and a woman and they were sitting
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: in front of me and the the credits were over
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: and they stood up and she went well that was
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: entertaining it was just like you know i guess it
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 7: was i mean i didn't hate the you know i'm
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 7: not crying for my hour and a half back i
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: mean it was like I don't know. What is it?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: Two hours, 60 years, whatever it was.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, I wasn't, I wasn't upset that I'd seen it,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: but I was just kind of like it, it could
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: have been so much more, you know? And I think
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: that that's the part where you're let down. But at
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 7: the same time, I was just like, again, I, it
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: could have been worse, I suppose. Like it, it's got
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: its giant problems and holes in it, but, The.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 10: Thing, it's like after I saw it, I think I
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 10: spent a lot of time sitting and thinking about what
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 10: exactly went wrong.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: What I was going to do to Timber.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's... And like I said, it's like I
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 10: didn't really think it was all that bad. It was
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 10: kind of like, well, you know, and I think probably
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 10: I was prepped for it by the fact that it
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 10: had gotten so many terrible reviews before I went.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: To see it.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 10: I was like, okay... people think it's bad. So I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 10: kind of went into it like, okay, this is going
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: to be bad. And then it was like, well, that
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 10: wasn't that bad. You know, it was like, there were
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 10: things that I probably would have done differently. It's like,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 10: they're like the whole relationship between Barnabas.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 7: Or lack thereof. It's like, they.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 10: Did not really like, it's like, I don't give a
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 10: shit about her at all.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, she's like.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 10: Not even, Part of the movie, as far as I'm concerned.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 10: Let's see, the whole ending where it's like, let's just,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 10: like the big fire, it's like a big fireworks display
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 10: where it's like you have fireworks, fireworks, then it gets
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 10: to the end and then it's like all the fireworks.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, and more fireworks.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 10: Here's this, and we're just going to throw it all
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 10: at you at once, and it's like, oh, okay.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: That's what I was thinking, it's like it has to
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: be overkill. It's like it's not enough to blow up
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 7: the factory. Now let's go burn down their house too.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: I was like, we really want to leave this family
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 7: with absolutely nothing.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 10: And, and, and bring out this, like the Carolyn secret, like, yeah.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: We already bitched about that.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 10: I think like trying to just cram too much and
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 10: then just like making, like just dragging out, like what
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 10: could have been, I don't know. It's like the pacing is,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 10: is bad. It's wrong. It's like, I don't know. Seriously,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 10: I sat and, like, tried to think about, like, what
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 10: would have, like, probably made it better. On the upside,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 10: we have, like, tons of magazines that have come out
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 10: where they, like, focus on the original show and talk about, like,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 10: the original source material. And then a new box set,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 10: which I can't afford, that is, like, $ 600 worth of
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 10: Dark Shadows back episodes, but.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 7: but the original Barnabas was so disappointed he had died.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: He's like, that's it.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 11: I'm out of here.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 7: I can't, I can't exist in a world with this movie.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: I gotta go.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 10: Well, I will say that, that I'm also no fan
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 10: of the 91 series and I.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 7: Don't know if you've seen any of that.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Very little. Yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 10: I'm not a fan. And there's, this was coming from
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 10: like when I originally saw it, which was back in
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 10: like 91 or 92 or whatever. And I, I've had
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 10: this kind of half desire to go back and watch
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 10: it to just verify that it's absolutely true. I don't
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 10: like it. But I just haven't been able to get
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 10: the energy together to give it another go. Yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: I only remember seeing maybe an episode or two, and
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 7: even then I was like, this seems a little off.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: It's playing up like, Granted, the old one was a
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: soap opera, but it's playing up like a bad 90s
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: soap opera. It's coming off like the kind of soap
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: operas I don't want to see. I don't know if
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: there are good ones I want to see, but certainly
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: not what they were doing.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: I remember, to the best of my memory, I remember
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 10: being soft and glowy like a glamour shot or something.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 10: Super cheesy, misty, romance pictures. Just like... Yeah, I don't
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 10: like that.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 7: That's what the gothy people want. I guess.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 10: It was 1991, so I guess that was what they
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 10: were doing back then.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: We've got to fuel Hot Topic somehow. Get those kids
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: turned on to that so they'll come buy our stuff.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: I don't know. What else have we forgotten to bitch about?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: covers this. Possibly.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 13: I think it speaks to all of our affection for
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 13: Tim Burton that we both want good for him and
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 13: from him except for our previous heads.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: Eric who wants to beat him with a tire iron
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: but you know whatever.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: But I mean the very fact that we're saying well
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: it's not that bad.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: It's one of those.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: It might be worse. We've seen him do worse.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: I think that's what it is. I think we still
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: have that affection for him that we had in you
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: know the late 80s. in early 90s, and we're just
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: kind of like, we're still clinging to that little piece
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: of nostalgia that's like, it's not good, but at the
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: same time, I see those little pieces of what I
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: used to love in these other movies, and that's still there,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: and it reminds me of that, so I can't out
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: and out hate it, but I guess I have to
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 7: be honest with myself and go, yeah, these relationships are bad,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: and this story structure is messed up, and I don't
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: know if I even like this character, so yeah, I mean,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: you But there's that part of you that can't just
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: be like, screw this movie. It had nothing to do
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 7: with it because there's still a little piece of that
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: Tim Burton that we love.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: Remember what we used to have, Tim?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: Rekindling that old romance. Oh, Tim, where are you? What
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 7: has Helena Palm Carter done to you? Oh, wow.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think if this hadn't been directed by Tim Burton.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, it could have been a lot worse.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 10: It could have been, like, you know, Michael Bay or something,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 10: you know? It's like, and the cast could have been
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 10: a lot different, bad, worse. I mean, for the most part, like,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 10: the cast was, you know, pretty good.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: Again, they're all good. That's one of the few things
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 7: I took from it was I'm sitting there going, man,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: Michelle Pfeiffer should be in more movies. Like, where the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: hell has she been? It's weird that she took that
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 7: big break and why she's just now coming back in
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 7: in this.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Movie, but.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: I'm like, she's turned in some really good performances in
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 7: the past. Why isn't she making more movies?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 10: I really liked Eva Green. That was probably the highlight
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 10: for me of that movie. I thought she was really good.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 7: I like her in it. Again, it's a weird way
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: that they put that together. Yeah. I really liked her
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: broken face effect. That was kind of fun.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 7: It was one of the few things I was like,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: I like what they've turned her into here. It's kind
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: of fun. Kind of Death Becomes Her-ish.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 7: I was like, that's kind of, but I always liked
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: that there, too. So it's a fun little touch to it.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 10: I think probably, like, even though it wasn't, like, a
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 10: big thing, one of the, it was kind of disappointing
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 10: to not see, like, the roger character played out as
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 10: he was on the show or.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: Like or played out at all yeah.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah i mean that was just kind of like okay
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 10: he's just kind of there and originally i had read
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 10: that uh somebody had seen an early screening and had
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 10: referred that elizabeth and roger were married and i was
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 10: like oh god please not don't let them do that
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 10: like i mean go that way and be like rather
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 10: than have them be brother and sisters which is part
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 10: of them being collinses yeah you know that they're gonna
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 10: be married now it's like.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: Please they were married but now they're both still hanging
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: out in the house yeah well it's.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 10: Like they i only they explain like in the movie
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 10: like what happened to uh the other roger's wife and
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 10: they don't you know I've seen the show, so it's
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 10: like I kind of know what happens to... Or, I
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 10: don't know. But this is supposed to be a whole
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 10: different universe. And supposedly there's going to be another one.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 10: They've already green-lighted a second Phantom.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: Did it even do that? Well, I mean, I guess
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 7: it's a... I mean, that's what it takes, is that
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 7: marginal opening. Everybody hated Clash of the Titans, and they
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: did another one, so... If you get just enough money
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 7: for them to, all right, we'll throw some more at
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 7: you to do a second time, which I don't understand, really,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: for studios, that all they want to do is make
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 7: blockbusters now. They're really not in it for anything but
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 7: a huge opening weekend that they still want to do these,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 7: take these movies that deliver a mediocre opening and then
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: throw a sequel at them. That seems weird.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 10: And, Liam, I mean, the amount of money, I can't
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 10: even remember I read how much money they sank into this.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 10: I mean, they built it.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 10: And they built the town. It's like it's insane that. Yeah.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, that shot of them just building the house.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: I was like, that looks like they're really building the house.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 7: And can I live there now? Can you ship that
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 7: on over to me? Yeah.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 7: I can see where the money went, especially in a
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 7: big budget project like that. I'm sure plenty of it
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: was wasted on stupid things, too, the way they do. But,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's on the screen. The visuals show you
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 7: it's a big budget movie. But, yeah, I don't know
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: if it warrants a sequel.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 7: Just more Helena Bonham Carter. Have we rounded this thing
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: out then? Our love for Dark Shadows.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 10: I miss Jeffrey Jones. Tim Burton should start putting Jeffrey
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 10: Jones back in his movies.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 7: I think everybody's a little weirded out by Jeffrey Jones now.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: He's a great actor.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: I can't argue that. I don't even know the rest
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 7: of it, so I don't want to speculate. And I
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 7: really don't want to speculate. But, yeah, I think everybody's
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: just a little creeped out now. And I don't know
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: if he could come back and be given a fair shake.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, Paul Rehmans hasn't really worked for him either
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 10: in face. He's done voice stuff for him.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, which I don't understand because he has nothing. You know,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: it's like at least Jeffrey Jones' problem is real. Paul
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: Reubens just got screwed over. He got, he got, yeah.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 7: I've gone on up on that before too. That is
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: uncool what they did to him. But yeah, again, it's
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 7: like he occasionally throws off some of his checklist and
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: moves on and picks up new people. So, I don't know.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 10: Well, we can always look forward to more Johnny Depp
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 10: in the future.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 7: In bad makeup and crazy hair.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: Chewing on the scenery.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 7: That's what he does now.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, Lord.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 7: Well, I guess while we're here, we can do another...
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 7: We can just move on. It's been a year since
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: we talked to you. Have you seen any movies since then?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 7: Let's do a little geek activity. Roll into the geek
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 7: activities here.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: Oh, boy.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 10: I was trying to think if I saw anything, like,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 10: good or interesting. I know that I have. I just.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 10: We went to see Dark Shadows.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 7: And it's wiped all of your memories since then.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 10: We had to go see Cabin in the Woods earlier
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 10: in the year, and that was a lot of fun.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 7: I've heard good and bad things on this very show.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 7: I've heard somebody with a lot of bad things to
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: say about it. I liked it.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 10: I thought it was a lot of fun.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 7: That's what everybody else I've heard kind of likes it.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 10: I know there's been Netflix viewings where I've done chunks of, like,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 10: Old movies that I either knew about and had never
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 10: had a chance to watch and movies that I'd never
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 10: heard of that I just kind of sat down and watched.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 10: I watched Humanoids from the Deep, which I'd never seen
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 10: before and really enjoyed.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: I remember that on cable as a kid, which again
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 7: explains why I'm like I am now. That's the kind
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: of stuff I watched as a child, so.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 10: And not long after that, we rented Corman's World, which
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 10: is the Roger Corman documentary, which was also really good.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: He's pretty awesome.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 10: And that also got us all kind of fired up about, like, oh,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 10: we need to get that movie The Trip and the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 10: William Shatner intruder movie that they made. So it's like, yeah,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 10: we need to get some more Roger Corman movies to watch.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: He does turn out some entertaining movie. Speaking of entertaining,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 7: he makes some entertaining movies.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 10: So, other than that, like, I'm sure there's something that
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 10: just blew my mind over the year, but I'm having
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 10: a difficult.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 10: I got into Doctor Who, and.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: It's taken over. I started watching BBC's Sherlock, and that's...
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 7: I watched that, too. Yeah, I watched the first one
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 7: of them. That's a weird one. Have you seen the
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 7: new Americanized thing? I'm not sure what to think. Speaking
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: of Jenny Lee Miller, I'm not sure what to think
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: about that. Have you seen that ad, Lucy?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't really.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 7: I don't know that I have faith in it, but
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: I like Lucy Liu. I'll watch Lucy Liu in something.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 10: I'm not a fan of Lucy Liu, and I think
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 10: that's probably why I won't go see it. But Johnny
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 10: Lee Miller.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 7: But I like Johnny Lee Miller, too.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 10: Actually, when I get back home the week after, they're
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 10: re-showing the Danny Boyle Frankenstein live broadcast, and I'm going
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 10: to try to go catch both of those, because I've
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 10: heard really good things about them. I want to see the...
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 10: Benedict Cumberbatch and Johnny Lee Miller, they switched roles. So
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 10: I'm going to try to go both nights so that
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 10: I can see both versions of it.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: I have wanted to see that, but he's, I mean,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 7: he's turned in a lot of good, dark shadows aside,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: he's turned in a lot of really good performances and
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: even like working on TV. If you saw that run
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: of him with Dexter, he's really good on that. And he,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: he totally buy him as that character. And, it's something
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: a little different. I mean, he's, he's turned in a
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 7: lot of different variations of, of, you know, types of
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: characters over the years. And yeah, so seeing him do
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: that and then imagining him trying to do like a
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: Sherlock ideas seems kind of interesting. Actually, you just got
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: to work around the Lucy Lou, I guess, if you're
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 7: not down with that.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah. I, I, I don't know. I, I guess I'll
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 10: probably wait. I don't really watch a lot of TV
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 10: and when I do, it's usually like, streaming yeah it's
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 10: like i don't sit watch commercials and you give me
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 10: a whole season that i can sit watch then i'm
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 10: good i.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: Don't know sometimes that's too much of an undertaking i
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: it's there's a handful that i will watch on like
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 7: actual tv but yeah sometimes the the netflix entire seasons
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 7: are a lot of.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 10: Time when it's like five or six seasons yeah because
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 10: that's i've worked through like i've Yeah, which, from what
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 10: I've heard, is that kind of how you do it.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 10: You don't really have to start at the beginning.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: That just started the reboot, more or less.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 10: So I'm at, just now, like, I had watched, like,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 10: the first Matt Smith, who was, like, I guess he's, like,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 10: the 12th Doctor.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: Or 11th Doctor.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 10: I'm getting confused.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 7: I'm tired.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 10: I'm disoriented. Don't crucify me. My doctor's gone.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 7: Doctor nerds, just settle down. It's okay.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 10: But Matt Smith, like, I just started, like, the first
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 10: episode of that, so I'm going to have to, when
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 10: I have maybe... this upcoming week when I have some
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 10: time off, I'm going to try to watch some more
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 10: of those all the way through. But, like, things like
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 10: Boardwalk Empire, which, you know, we don't get HBO, so
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 10: we'll go and we'll rent. And I watched, we sat
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 10: and watched, like, the entire season of that.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 10: I think, like, there's another season of that coming out soon,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 10: which we're looking forward to getting.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Don't get excited about that one.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the first season was fantastic. The second season I
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: thought was terrible.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we've ever discussed that.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 7: Anything with Steve Buscemi?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 10: I feel the same way. That guy's awesome.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: I wanted it to be fantastic.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 13: It was like every single episode was written by people
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 13: that had never seen an episode.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: Like, every single episode, the characters made these choices where
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, they.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 10: Wouldn't do that, have I? That's weird.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 7: Did they change writers?
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what happened.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 10: Weird.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 13: And it seemed like there were all these, like, setting
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 13: up these sort of, like, sort of scandalous moments without, like,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 13: taking into account, like, everything we know about the.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 10: Characters from the first season.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 7: Very nice. Anyway.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 10: Just managing your expectations on that one.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 7: Again, dark shadow it up.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Go in.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: I think that's what we took from that. Just lower
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 7: your expectations.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: That's a good life plan, frankly.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 10: And that's a shame.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 7: It kind of is.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: Just don't expect much and you'll be alright.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: Ah, the motto for life. It kind of works, actually.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll just all be good surprises if things work out.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah i.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: Brought that one down i think we're already down um
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 7: so have you been working on i know you've been
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: working on a lot of stuff lately artistically speaking um
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: so is there anything you need to tell people that
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 7: they should look for or oh um.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 10: I'll be doing a cover for Horror Hound coming up in,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 10: I think it's August. So you can all look for
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 10: that when that comes out. And otherwise, I'm doing Crazy
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 10: for Cult this year.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 10: Which, that'll be something that I'll have to work on
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 10: when I get home. I was like, now it's time
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 10: to get out the movie and start... pausing and getting
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 10: reference photos so yeah uh and that's that's all of
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 10: like my main public things that oh i will have
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 10: some original dark shadows illustrations appearing in video watchdog magazine next.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: Month no depth stuff come on man.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 10: Actually, I do have a depth drawing that I did.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 10: I wasn't, like, brave enough to post it on Facebook,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 10: but it was before the movie came out. It was, like,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 10: after the trailer came out, and everybody was so angry,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 10: and I just did this kind of, like, super 70s, like,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 10: the shooting bats and stars of, like, him all pimped
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 10: out in the middle.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 10: With the purple and, like, blue.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: It's like.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 10: I just can't help it. It looks like an iron-on transfer.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: That's pretty entertaining. That's probably more entertaining than the movie was.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: So look for that. And that fabulous new Movie Meltdown
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 7: t-shirt design.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 7: I've said it now. Now it's got to happen.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 10: Well, I wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 10: to let that cat out of the bag on the radio.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: But, again, it's an awesome concept, so I'm looking forward
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 7: to that. Start placing your orders now. But, yeah, did
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: you get the official site set up?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 10: Uh, no, I still have the blog.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 10: Um, so it's just, uh, you can type in do
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 10: whack a doodles and it's the do whack a doodles
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 10: blog spot. And, uh, it's still there. Um, I haven't
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 10: like officially moved up to official websites, just the blog.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 7: It's a lot to deal with.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 10: I'm pretty content.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 10: I'm, I'm, managing the blog is a chore unto itself,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 10: and it's, I can't imagine, like, having to maintain the
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 10: website on top of that.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: Ours looked terrible for, like, four years, so I just
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: revamped it, and I'm pretty pleased with it now. It's
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 7: way more tolerable. It's certainly not impressive, I'm sure, for
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: most people who actually know what they're doing, but for me,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 7: it's a leap forward from that mess that it used to.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Be, so.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 10: I think that's another thing. It's like, I'm not, I
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 10: don't know how to build a website. I've never tried.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 10: I'm not really in the mood to learn right now,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 10: so I'm just going with, like, what I can get
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 10: free on the internet.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: That'll work.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 7: Oh, well, I think that will do it for another episode. So,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: once again, we've had a lot of fun here at Wonderfest,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: so we will definitely say thanks to everybody here who's
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 7: let us hang around and loiter in this room right
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: now where we're recording this. It was That was nice
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: of Dave to let us in here and hang out
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 7: and do the show. So thank you to everybody at Wonderfest. Again,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: plan for next year. Go to wonderfest.com. Book yourself a
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: room right now, I guess. I'm assuming they'll do that.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 7: If you're giving them money, I doubt they'll turn you down.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 7: So go for that. Otherwise, that about does it. We
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 7: will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: Thanks for listening.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: My baby's gone away.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 9: Where to she didn't say.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 12: Now what am I gonna do?
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 16: Cause I just can't hide.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 9: My foolish pride.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 12: Baby, I'm still in love with you Why don't you
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 12: drop a line They tell me you're doing fine My
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 12: days are oh so blue Cause.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 9: I just can't hide.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 11: My foolish pride, baby.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 16: I'm still in love with you Why did you leave
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 16: Why make me.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 9: Grieve Am I to suffer this way.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 16: Will i ever breathe a sigh please.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 12: Darling won't you try to believe me.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 9: When i say i was wrong Nothing but misery I
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 9: can't escape It's so true.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 16: Cause I just can't hide My foolish pride Baby I'm
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 16: still in love with you.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: Guitar solo.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 10: Dark shadows harden me Nothing but misery.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 16: I can't escape, it's so true Cause I just can't.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 9: Hide My foolish pride Baby, I'm still.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 12: In love with you.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Midget porn! I wish Tim Burton would do more midget porn.
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  Speaker 7: You know what was missing from Dark Shadows? Midget porn,
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  Speaker 7: that's what.
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  Speaker 1: Talk hard!