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The Affair & The Axe: Candy Montgomery · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to Legally Brunettes. I will be your
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Speaker 1: host today Emily Simpson along with Shane. Today we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about an older case. But it kind of
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Speaker 1: came on my radar. First of all, when I was
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Speaker 1: looking at Hulu not too long ago. There's been a dramatize.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really know what it was, but it's called
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Speaker 1: Candy and Jessica Bial plays the woman named Candy, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't really know what it was. I didn't know
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Speaker 1: it was true crime. I wasn't really sure about it.
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Speaker 1: Then this other docus it's not a documentmentary. It's another
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Speaker 1: series that just recently popped up on Netflix called Love
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Speaker 1: and Death, which is another dramatization where you walked in
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Speaker 1: and you said, that's Elizabeth Olsen and that has to
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Speaker 1: do with the same story. It has to do with
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Speaker 1: this woman named Candy Montgomery. So there's been, you know,
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Speaker 1: a few dramatizations made about this case. So I ended
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Speaker 1: up watching it. The Love and Death one is seven parts,
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Speaker 1: it's on Netflix right now. It was so interesting.
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Speaker 2: I was just it looked highly produced, like I mean
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Speaker 2: meaning it was had a good budget. It wasn't like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, made for TV kind of thing. It looked
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Speaker 2: a little bit more in depth.
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Speaker 1: It was, and it was very interesting. And normally I
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Speaker 1: don't like re enactment dramatization type of things. I really
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Speaker 1: like documentaries. But I tell you, I really got into this.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about this case.
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Speaker 2: Her name is. You say that about every reenactment that
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Speaker 2: you watch, he's normally I don't watch him.
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Speaker 1: Well this one, well, because normally I don't I like
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Speaker 1: a documentary style, but this one, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It drew me in sure not it was a good
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Speaker 2: story that you watched.
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Speaker 1: I mean it was seven parts and I stuck with
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Speaker 1: it through all seven, So all right. Candy Montgomery is
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Speaker 1: a married Texas mother who began an affair with her
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Speaker 1: friend Betty Gore's husband. His name is Alan Gore. This
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Speaker 1: is in nineteen seventy eight. After the affair ended, Candy
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Speaker 1: visited Betty's home. This is on June thirteenth of nineteen eighty.
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Speaker 1: This is when the incident occurred where there is a
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Speaker 1: confrontation and the really relationship between the two friends turns deadly,
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Speaker 1: leaving Betty dead. So we're going to discuss this and
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Speaker 1: has to do a self defense. There's also a lot
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Speaker 1: of other facts that go into it we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about. So I think what we need to focus on,
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Speaker 1: what I want you to think in your head, is
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Speaker 1: self defense and whether it was justified. So let's just
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Speaker 1: go with that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, self defense justified?
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Speaker 1: Right? All right? So let's just do a little background
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Speaker 1: on Candy and Candy had a husband named Pat, so
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Speaker 1: Candace she goes by Candy Wheeler was born in Lucas, Texas,
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Speaker 1: and she grows up moving frequently because her father is
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Speaker 1: a radar technician in the US Army. Early in the
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, Candy Mary's electrical engineer Pat Montgomery after meeting
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Speaker 1: him at age eighteen, and they welcome a daughter named
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Speaker 1: Jenny in nineteen seventy three. Candy and Pat welcome their son,
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Speaker 1: Ian in nineteen seventy four. By nineteen seventy seven, the
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Speaker 1: Montgomery family are financially successful, with Pat earning approximately seventy
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars annually, which is equivalent to do you want
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Speaker 1: to guess the math on that this is seventy thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars in nineteen seventy seven?
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because I never really trust those things.
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Speaker 2: Today's money, it would be I mean, do you look
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Speaker 2: at gold, do you look at oil? Do you like
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Speaker 2: at real estate? I don't know. Seventy thousand dollars in
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Speaker 2: what year?
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Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy seven he was making seventy thousand dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: So when I was two years old, he was making
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Speaker 2: seventy grand a year. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to ask a couple hundred thousand.
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Speaker 1: They say it would be about the equivalent of about
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Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty thousand a year, which is pretty
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Speaker 1: good money.
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Speaker 2: This is pretty good.
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Speaker 1: Candy.
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Speaker 2: I don't like that name, Candy Montgomery.
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Speaker 1: Candy Montgomery. It's like, does it sound like a stripper name?
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Speaker 2: Well, no, it sounds like it's like it sounds like
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Speaker 2: she's like a teacher by day, stripper by night. I
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Speaker 2: have Candy and then miss Montgomery.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Candy Montgomery.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't mix. I like the name Candy, I like
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Speaker 2: name Montgomery. But come together, she's a murder, right is
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Speaker 2: she a murder? Well?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the issue.
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Speaker 2: That's what we're sing And if she's a murder, I
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Speaker 2: don't like it even more.
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Speaker 1: That is the main issue is she a murderer? All Right,
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Speaker 1: So on January ninth of nineteen fifty, this is her friend.
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Speaker 1: Betty is born and Kansas and has raised alongside her
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Speaker 1: two brothers. Betty, around age twenty, marries Alan Gore after
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Speaker 1: meeting him in college, and the couple later moves to Wiley, Texas.
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Speaker 1: This is a small town called Wiley, Texas where these
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Speaker 1: two families live and they're best friends. This is Betty
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Speaker 1: and Candy, and they're very involved in their church. Okay, course,
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Speaker 1: lots of activities volleyball. To me, just based upon what
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Speaker 1: I watched just in the made for TV movie, it
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Speaker 1: just seems like they're both of their in the small town.
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Speaker 1: Just all the social life is revolved around the church
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Speaker 1: and church activities.
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Speaker 2: That's like the social headquarters as well. Probably waiting and
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Speaker 2: the Olsen girl plays Candy.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Elizabeth Olsen and the one that's on Netflix currently,
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Speaker 1: but I think it starts on HBO Max a few
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Speaker 1: years back. All Right, nineteen seventy six, Betty and Allen
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Speaker 1: welcome their first daughter. Her name is Alyssa, and Betty
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Speaker 1: begins teaching fifth grade at R. C. Dodd Middle School.
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Speaker 1: By the late seventies, Candy Montgomery and Betty Gore meet
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Speaker 1: through church and become friends. Their daughters spend time together,
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Speaker 1: and both families become closely connected through the church activities.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy eight, Betty tells Alan that she wants
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Speaker 1: another child, and around the same time, Alan says the
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Speaker 1: marriage is struggling and he begins feeling increasingly disconnected from Betty.
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Speaker 1: So now we have Betty and Alan are married, Candy
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Speaker 1: and Pat are married. They live in the small town
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Speaker 1: in Texas. They're all involved, and they're all friends. They're
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Speaker 1: all involved in the same church and the church activities.
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Speaker 2: It's a part where they seem like a normal case.
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Speaker 2: They seemed wonderful. I never would have guessed.
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Speaker 1: Then Candy Candy's board. Basically, Candy's bored as she resorts
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Speaker 1: to murder. Well, no, we're not there yet. We have
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Speaker 1: to go through the other steps first. And then I said,
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Speaker 1: the issue is is well.
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Speaker 2: No, it is. There was a murder. There was a
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Speaker 2: homicide at the hands of Candy. Yes, we're going to
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Speaker 2: get The question is whether it was justified.
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Speaker 1: Exactly So, Candy, this is around nineteen seventy eight. Candy
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Speaker 1: becomes dissatisfied with her marriage, and she begins this part
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Speaker 1: kind of cracks me up. Then she begins considering having
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Speaker 1: an affair, considering considering, Yeah, who's she consulting. I think
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Speaker 1: she's just bored. I think she's bored with her life.
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Speaker 1: She's saved. The way they depicted her in this dramatization
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Speaker 1: was she was just an amazing mom and housewife and
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Speaker 1: made dinner every night and the house was always clean.
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Speaker 2: But then maybe I got monotonous or she felt like,
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Speaker 2: she's like, this is my life. I just kind of bored.
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Speaker 1: Yah, bored housewife in a small town. And so she
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Speaker 1: meets Alan Gore, who again remembers Betty's husband and their.
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Speaker 2: Best friend's husband or close close friends.
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Speaker 1: Close friends. They're all playing volleyball together in a church activity.
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Speaker 1: Candy and the husband Betty's husband, Alan Gore, have some
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Speaker 1: kind of interaction at this volleyball game, and then Candy
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Speaker 1: becomes I don't know, somewhat attracted to Alan because of
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Speaker 1: this interaction that they had. So she eventually ends up
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Speaker 1: approaching him and just asking him if he was interested
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Speaker 1: in having an.
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Speaker 2: Affair, like it's very transactional.
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Speaker 1: No, I know, that's what I said. That's That was
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Speaker 1: my takeaway from this affair was it was so methodical,
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Speaker 1: because wait, mechanical, it's mechanical. It gets worse though. So
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Speaker 1: after choir practice, Candy tells Alan that she is attracted
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Speaker 1: to him. Shortly afterwards, she directly asked him if he
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Speaker 1: would be interested in having an affair later that year.
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Speaker 1: After extensive discussions, they literally met, I believe two or
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Speaker 1: three times to discuss the logistics of how.
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Speaker 2: It work, like the positions no, not like no, the locations, yeah,
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Speaker 2: like logistically in the schedule, the schedule, right, and they.
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Speaker 1: I believe they decided that they would split the hotel room.
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Speaker 1: They were cost effective, right, and she would bring lunch
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Speaker 1: and they would meet at a certain hotel and his
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Speaker 1: lunch break from work, and they would do it twice
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Speaker 1: a month. And I believe they even came up with
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Speaker 1: some type of you know, contractual you know, verbal contract.
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Speaker 1: As far as you know, neither one of them were
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Speaker 1: going to get emotionally invested, that they didn't want to
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Speaker 1: hurt their spouses. That it was just all, you know,
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Speaker 1: just because she's bored.
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Speaker 2: It's just she just.
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Speaker 1: Needed a hobby, just wanted you know, she just needed
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Speaker 1: a hobby.
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Speaker 2: Do you think I'm creepy when I tell you to
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Speaker 2: wear this perfume or that perfume?
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Speaker 1: All right, So here are some of their affair rules.
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Speaker 1: If either person wanted to end the affair, it would
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Speaker 1: end immediately, with no questions asked. If either one of
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Speaker 1: them became emotionally attached, the affair would end. If they
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Speaker 1: began taking a necessary risk, the affair would end. All expenses,
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Speaker 1: including food, motel, rooms, and gasoline, would be split equally.
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Speaker 2: This is it's not gonna work. Well, I mean if
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Speaker 2: they have to do all that, Like dad, it's it's
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Speaker 2: about holding each other accountable though to follow these rules.
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Speaker 2: Like what happens someone breaks a rule? What did they
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Speaker 2: both become emotionally connected or whatever it was?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: What if someone loses their job and can't pay for
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Speaker 2: the gas is I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. She's a housewife, so she's using
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Speaker 1: I mean, she's using her husband's paycheck to pay for
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Speaker 1: half of it.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Know, but it just makes me wonder.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's their paycheck if he's earning in I'm.
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Speaker 1: Just saying it's not. I don't unless she has like
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Speaker 1: a separate account.
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Speaker 2: But the way she's divving it up and making sure
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Speaker 2: it's she's not overpaying, and she's very.
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Speaker 1: Just saying does the husband not notice that there's money
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Speaker 1: going to a hotel.
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Speaker 2: Room or I don't know, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean I had questions about that meetings would occur
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Speaker 1: only on weekdays while their spouses were working. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's very that's nice of them that they make sure
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Speaker 1: that it's stirring the working hours of their spouses. Candy
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Speaker 1: would prepare lunch for their meetings, she would reserve the
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Speaker 1: motel rooms, and they would meet every other Tuesday or Thursday.
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Speaker 1: The schedule was designed around Candy's son's preschool attendance and
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Speaker 1: her other family obligations. Well, I mean, she made sure
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Speaker 1: that she met her family obligations first prior it's respectable
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Speaker 1: to meeting allan for an affair, all right, So the
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Speaker 1: affair timeline, they actually ended up having an affair, but
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Speaker 1: I don't even think it spanned the course of even
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Speaker 1: a year. So on December twelfth of the nineteen seventy year.
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Speaker 2: And by your standards, that's not very long of an affair.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, for that had a lot
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Speaker 1: of I feel like it took them longer to come
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Speaker 1: up with the rules and you know, the logistics of
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Speaker 1: this affair than the actual affair. But Candy and Allen
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Speaker 1: began their affair at the Continental Motel. This was on
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Speaker 1: December twelfth, in nineteen seventy eight. They later used the
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Speaker 1: Como Motel across the street for future meetings. In July
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Speaker 1: of seventy nine, Betty and Allan welcome their second daughter,
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Speaker 1: named Bethany Gore. The affair continues, but Alan increasingly struggles
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Speaker 1: with guilt, while Candy begins to find the arrangement more
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Speaker 1: burdensome than excite.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because she has to make the sandwiches and
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Speaker 2: book the hotel room. She's doing all the work.
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Speaker 1: She is doing a lot of the work. Alan just
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Speaker 1: shows up. Yeah, and then you know, his wife has
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Speaker 1: another baby. I think he feels guilty. She has some
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Speaker 1: postpartum issues and some depression. She doesn't like it when
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Speaker 1: he leaves. He travels a lot for work, is my understanding.
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Speaker 1: And so then Alan and Betty end up going to
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Speaker 1: this workshop type of thing called marriage encounter, which is
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Speaker 1: a I don't know. They travel and they go to
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Speaker 1: a hotel to go to some kind.
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Speaker 2: Of marriage workshop shop, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Seminar type of thing. But they kept referring other people
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Speaker 1: kept referring to it as a cult.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, but everyone calls everything a cult
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Speaker 2: if they're not interested in themselves, Like, you know, that's true.
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Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't mean. I guess describing what it
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Speaker 2: is would be more of value.
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Speaker 1: So in spring of nineteen eighty, Alan and Betty attend
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Speaker 1: a marriage encounter program and they reconnect. Alan tells Candy
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Speaker 1: that he wants to end the affair and Candy agrees
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Speaker 1: not to contact him again. My understanding and the way
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Speaker 1: it was depicted that there were no hard feelings towards
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Speaker 1: the end of this.
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Speaker 2: Now the assignment came to an end, right.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't My takeaway wasn't that she was upset
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Speaker 1: or he was upset.
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Speaker 2: Well, she's not allowed to be because they made.
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Speaker 1: An agreement, and I think she was happy to stick
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Speaker 1: to the agreement. And it seemed to me that it just.
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Speaker 2: He got tired of her sandwiches, is what it was.
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Speaker 1: It was the sandwiches.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the same lunch every other Thursday, right, every
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Speaker 2: twelve months, right.
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Speaker 1: I believe it even says at some point that having
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Speaker 1: the affair helped his marriage in some way. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe the communicate better.
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Speaker 2: He's slept better. Maybe it's I got a home cooked
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Speaker 2: meal once in a while.
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Speaker 1: June thirteenth of nineteen eighty Betty and Candy remain friends
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Speaker 1: because I don't think at this point Betty knows anything.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, follow the rules.
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Speaker 1: Candy takes care of Betty and Alan's daughter a lot.
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Speaker 1: Her name is Alyssa and she is the same age
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Speaker 1: as Candy's daughter. So Candy has a daughter named Jenny,
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Speaker 1: and then Betty and Alan have a daughter named Melissa.
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Speaker 2: Well they're really integrated there, yes.
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Speaker 1: And they're the same age and they're best friends. So
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Speaker 1: even though this whole situation was just bizarre to me,
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Speaker 1: that's probably why I watched all seven parts. I just
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Speaker 1: couldn't stop watching it because I'm thinking, on one, you're
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Speaker 1: having an affair, a logistical affair, a very well thought
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Speaker 1: out planned affairs.
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Speaker 2: And of course, nonetheless outside of marriage.
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Speaker 1: But while the affair is going on and Betty continue
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Speaker 1: to be friends, and Candy takes care of Melissa a lot,
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Speaker 1: Alyssa comes over and stays the night, and Candy takes
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Speaker 1: her to like her ballet practices and swim things, and
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Speaker 1: I mean she acts like a second right, she takes
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Speaker 1: care of version.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's very kind.
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Speaker 1: It is very kind of her. So now we get
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Speaker 1: to June thirteenth of nineteen eighty. Candy plans to take
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Speaker 1: her daughter Jenny and then Betty's daughter Alyssa to see
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Speaker 1: the Empire strikes back later that evening. Do you remember
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Speaker 1: when the Empire strikes back? This is nineteen eighty. I
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Speaker 1: was asking Keller this last night in the car because
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Speaker 1: I remember this was a part of the Oh.
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Speaker 2: Is that why you were asking him? But I was like,
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Speaker 2: why are you asked about Star Wars all? Because do
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Speaker 2: you see some murder involved in.
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Speaker 1: The They mentioned multiple times, or Candy mentions multiple times
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Speaker 1: that she's taking Betty's daughter to see the Empire strikes back.
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Speaker 2: Well I was nineteen eighty, yeah, I think, yeah, it
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Speaker 2: was eighty.
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Speaker 1: So Candy stops by Betty's home to pick up Alyssa's
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Speaker 1: swimsuit for a planned sleep over and a swimming lesson.
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Speaker 1: So Candy goes to Betty's house to get Alyssa's swimsuit.
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Speaker 1: She parks she actually, I believe she leaves church. So
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Speaker 1: she's even at church first, you know, with all these
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Speaker 1: other women, telling them that I'm leaving now and I'm
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Speaker 1: going to Betty's house to pick up Alyssa, and I
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Speaker 1: have all these things to do, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: go swimming and we're going to go watch this movie
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Speaker 1: that night. So that's important that she's telling everyone where
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Speaker 1: she's going. Yeah, So she goes to Betty's house, parks
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Speaker 1: out front of Betty's house, right, she goes inside, and
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Speaker 1: during the conversation between Betty and Candy, Betty asked Candy
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Speaker 1: if she had been having an affair with Alan. Candy
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Speaker 1: admits that she had, but says it happened a long
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Speaker 1: time ago. According to Candy's.
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Speaker 2: Later testing, wait wait wait, She's asked out of nowhere,
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Speaker 2: Well again, what did she How did she have reason
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Speaker 2: to know?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, because, first of all, Betty's no longer
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Speaker 1: with us, So in order to know what happened during
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Speaker 1: this conversation, the person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what does she says? It's Candy? So what
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Speaker 2: is Candy saying?
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Speaker 1: Well, in later testimony, Candy claims that when she entered
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Speaker 1: the house to pick up Alyssa's swimsuit that Betty confronted
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Speaker 1: her in the house and said, are you having an
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Speaker 1: affair with my husband?
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Speaker 2: So, according to her, she has flat out asked, we
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Speaker 2: don't know why, right, okay.
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Speaker 1: Alan, her husband claims that he never thought that Betty
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Speaker 1: knew about the affair. He claims that she never knew okay. However,
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Speaker 1: Candy claims that on this day she was confronted about
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Speaker 1: the affair. Okay, My takeaway would be Alan just is clueless,
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Speaker 1: probably as most men seem to be, and so she
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Speaker 1: probably did know about it, or at least have suspicions
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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, and so she confronted Candy.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's like you know, kids, a lot of times
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Speaker 2: kids think that the parents don't know what's going on,
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Speaker 2: and then we do, we just don't announce it, right.
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Speaker 2: So she could have very well known and just not
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Speaker 2: confronted him about it because she was trying to figureure
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Speaker 2: out what to do. Maybe she has found his pros
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Speaker 2: and conso list.
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Speaker 1: Maybe so, according to Candy's later testimony, Betty leaves the room.
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Speaker 1: She actually says to Candy, go in the laundry room
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Speaker 1: because that's where the bathing suit is. Because you know,
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Speaker 1: she stopped by to get a bathing suit.
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Speaker 2: For So Betty tells Candy go in the lwnder room
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Speaker 2: to get the bathing suit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she says, the bathing suits in the laundryroom. This
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Speaker 1: is after she confronted.
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Speaker 2: That's a little odd. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: She's like, okay, are you having an affair with my husband?
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Speaker 1: And Candy's like, I'm not, well, I did? I mean,
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Speaker 1: she claims that she admitted to it and says that
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Speaker 1: it was a while ago and she's not interested in him,
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Speaker 1: she doesn't want him, and you know worse.
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Speaker 2: She should just not worry about it anymore.
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Speaker 1: It's fine, it's no big deal. It's dark, right, So
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Speaker 1: then Betty tells her that the bathing suits and the
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Speaker 1: laundry room. She goes in the laundry room to get it.
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Speaker 1: Betty says she's going to get a towel for her daughter.
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Speaker 1: Then I believe they meet back and at this point
18:00
Speaker 1: Betty is carrying an axe, not like a small one.
18:04
Speaker 2: So Candy walks into the laundry room and Betty falls
18:07
Speaker 2: with an axe.
18:08
Speaker 1: Well, she leaves the laundry room to come back out,
18:10
Speaker 1: and Betty went to go get a towel, and then
18:12
Speaker 1: when they When she comes back, Betty has an axe.
18:15
Speaker 2: According to Candy.
18:16
Speaker 1: According to Candy, keep going, Betty has an axe?
18:20
Speaker 2: Does have an axe in the house.
18:22
Speaker 1: I think in the garage, I believe.
18:24
Speaker 2: Well apparently they did. But I'm saying that's I don't know.
18:27
Speaker 1: You know, No, he's not a lumberjack, but they have
18:30
Speaker 1: an axe.
18:30
Speaker 2: Okay.
18:32
Speaker 1: He actually works for like Texas Instruments. I don't remember exactly,
18:34
Speaker 1: but some something like that.
18:36
Speaker 2: Again, why does he have an axe?
18:37
Speaker 1: Maybe he cuts wood?
18:39
Speaker 2: Okay, chopswood.
18:40
Speaker 1: Betty retrieves a three foot axe and confronts Candy, and
18:44
Speaker 1: a violent struggle follows in the utility room. So they're
18:47
Speaker 1: in the laundry room. Betty confronts her with an axe.
18:53
Speaker 1: Betty gore.
18:54
Speaker 2: What'd she say when she had confronted her? Do you
18:57
Speaker 2: want to change your answer? You know?
18:59
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, they this whole seven part
19:03
Speaker 1: series that I watched, they don't show they.
19:06
Speaker 2: This is what happened.
19:07
Speaker 1: Oh you know what happened?
19:08
Speaker 2: I know I haven't. Okay, she confronts her to do
19:11
Speaker 2: you have an affair or whatever? Right? She says, yeah,
19:13
Speaker 2: but it was a while ago, she says, Okay, that's
19:17
Speaker 2: all I needed to hear the swimsuits in the laundery room. Yeah,
19:21
Speaker 2: you will get that. I'm gonna be with the axe, right,
19:23
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come and I'm gonna kill you.
19:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. She swings at her, And I do know that
19:28
Speaker 1: Candy gets struck twice with the ax. She has a
19:32
Speaker 1: scratch across the top of her head, and she also
19:34
Speaker 1: gets hit with the axe and the toe.
19:37
Speaker 2: Oh, then that's odd. Her two swings are high and low. Yeah,
19:42
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's how clearly it's not her axe.
19:46
Speaker 2: She's not good at a.
19:47
Speaker 1: There's a struggle. Candy manages to get the axe away
19:51
Speaker 1: from her. Now this is the part where it's all.
19:54
Speaker 2: But from Candy though, right, Yes, this is.
19:56
Speaker 1: Trouble because Betty doesn't exist anymore, so the only account
20:01
Speaker 1: that we have is Candy's account. However, we do know
20:05
Speaker 1: that Candy was struck twice with the axe, and we
20:08
Speaker 1: know that after she was struck twice with the ACX,
20:11
Speaker 1: she manages to get them ax away from Betty Gore.
20:14
Speaker 1: But then Candy loses her mind and strikes Betty Gore
20:19
Speaker 1: forty one times with an axe and pulverizes her.
20:23
Speaker 2: So she's better with the acts than Betty. Yes, okay.
20:28
Speaker 1: She manages to strike her forty one times, to the
20:32
Speaker 1: point of it's so gruesome that.
20:36
Speaker 2: I mean forty one strikes.
20:39
Speaker 1: Forty one strikes with an axe, one through the head
20:41
Speaker 1: and the skull. I believe the back of the skull
20:43
Speaker 1: her eye was missing.
20:45
Speaker 2: That means she must have really hated her all alonger
20:48
Speaker 2: had no feelings for her at all.
20:51
Speaker 1: I don't know, because there's.
20:52
Speaker 2: She didn't respect her in their marriage right marriage period,
20:57
Speaker 2: that's true, but her specifically and her husband, she didn't
21:01
Speaker 2: respect that. They had her marriage together, and she was
21:03
Speaker 2: willing to break that up. And then here she is
21:08
Speaker 2: striking her forty one times with an ax.
21:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So Betty Gore struck forty one times
21:13
Speaker 1: with the ats. Medical testimony later in the trial indicated
21:17
Speaker 1: that forty of those blows occurred while Betty's heart was
21:20
Speaker 1: still beating.
21:22
Speaker 2: WHOA.
21:22
Speaker 1: Betty dies inside her home while the baby, Bethany is
21:26
Speaker 1: still asleep in her crib. The baby was about eleven
21:28
Speaker 1: months old at the time. Candy cleans herself up after
21:32
Speaker 1: this incident, takes shower. I believe cleans all the blood
21:36
Speaker 1: off of.
21:36
Speaker 2: Us as most murders do after the.
21:38
Speaker 1: Crime, gets back in her car, goes.
21:41
Speaker 2: To the church function.
21:42
Speaker 1: Yes, run oh really yeah, runs errands like normal, and
21:46
Speaker 1: like goes back to the church. She's late.
21:49
Speaker 2: She takes a swimsuit I believe so.
21:51
Speaker 1: And continues on with all the errands as like it's
21:55
Speaker 1: a normal day. So on June twenty six and nineteen,
22:00
Speaker 1: this is thirteen days after the killing, Candy turns herself
22:03
Speaker 1: into police. The reason that she turns herself into police
22:07
Speaker 1: is because originally I don't think they had any suspects,
22:11
Speaker 1: and they probably assumed that it was some crazy mass
22:14
Speaker 1: murder man. I mean, because this woman got poleized with
22:18
Speaker 1: an axe.
22:19
Speaker 2: Right.
22:20
Speaker 1: However, they asked Alan in the beginning if there was,
22:23
Speaker 1: like any reason someone would not like Betty, and was
22:26
Speaker 1: there stairs, was there struggling in the marriage and things like.
22:30
Speaker 2: That, and he said, never ask the husband, is there
22:32
Speaker 2: any reason why someone wouldn't like your wife?
22:34
Speaker 1: I hate if somebody asked you that, nothing.
22:40
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I have no idea why anyone would
22:42
Speaker 2: not like.
22:42
Speaker 1: Her, Okay. He then later admits to the police that
22:47
Speaker 1: he was having an affair, and he admits it was
22:50
Speaker 1: with Candy. So Candy is arrested and charged with murder
22:54
Speaker 1: and held on a hundred thousand dollars bond. Also, by
22:57
Speaker 1: the way, I'd just like to add that Pat, her husband,
23:00
Speaker 1: this is Candy's husband, stayed with her even knowing she
23:03
Speaker 1: had an affair, and remained with her all through the trial.
23:07
Speaker 1: After he knew that she killed Betty Gore with an axe.
23:10
Speaker 2: Well he did. He didn't want her to kill him.
23:13
Speaker 2: He looks like she's a killer. I can't break up
23:16
Speaker 2: with her.
23:16
Speaker 1: So then Candy hires attorney Don Crowder. He's not a
23:21
Speaker 1: normal defense attorney. He's someone from church that she knew.
23:24
Speaker 1: But she's comfortable with him.
23:26
Speaker 2: But he's a attorney, just not attorney.
23:28
Speaker 1: He's a license attorney. But he does I think he
23:29
Speaker 1: said like personal injury or something. But she wants him
23:32
Speaker 1: to be her defense attorney because she's comfortable with him.
23:35
Speaker 1: They go to the same church. Then there's another attorney.
23:38
Speaker 1: His name is Robu dash In, and I believe there's
23:40
Speaker 1: still a third attorney. But anyway, there they have a
23:44
Speaker 1: two part defense. One is self defense, right, because they're
23:46
Speaker 1: going to claim its self defense because Betty had the
23:49
Speaker 1: acts first. It was her home, you know, she went
23:53
Speaker 1: and got the act, right, Candy did get.
23:55
Speaker 2: Start Based on that story, clearly she was attacked first, right.
23:59
Speaker 1: However, they have to then they have to then justify
24:05
Speaker 1: not only the self defense part, but why it was
24:08
Speaker 1: such an overkill Why why why forty one strikes? Why
24:13
Speaker 1: she pulverized the body, why she hit her as many
24:16
Speaker 1: times as she did? Because clearly, when she got the
24:20
Speaker 1: axe away from from Betty, she neutralized the situation, right,
24:26
Speaker 1: and even if she struck her or once certain, I.
24:30
Speaker 2: Had to do as incapacitator for a moment and then
24:32
Speaker 2: you can.
24:33
Speaker 1: Leave right, And there was a door in the laundry room,
24:36
Speaker 1: so I believe the prosecution argues basically like, if you
24:39
Speaker 1: get the acts away from her, why didn't you just
24:42
Speaker 1: leave through the door?
24:44
Speaker 2: Or another question would be when you cracked her skull open,
24:50
Speaker 2: why didn't you stop there?
24:52
Speaker 1: Right? But she continued krawn forty one times? So the
24:55
Speaker 1: defense has the challenge of first the self defense part,
25:00
Speaker 1: but then convincing a jury that you know it was.
25:04
Speaker 2: Just forty one times was needed for self defense.
25:08
Speaker 1: The overkill party, So they introduce a psychological defense, and
25:13
Speaker 1: this is they send Candy. So the attorneys send Candy
25:16
Speaker 1: to a psychologist in Houston to do some type of hypnosis.
25:21
Speaker 2: Type of you're right, not your normal attorney.
25:24
Speaker 1: We're going to take you back to that day. Let's
25:27
Speaker 1: go through it. So it shows that in this made
25:29
Speaker 1: for TV movie thing that she goes and you know,
25:32
Speaker 1: she meets with them, she's hypnotized. You know. It's all
25:35
Speaker 1: about regressing back to your childhood to try to figure
25:37
Speaker 1: out why there was so much anger in that situation.
25:40
Speaker 1: So basically, during this session, Candy pulls up this memory
25:45
Speaker 1: that she had repressed from when she was a child.
25:47
Speaker 2: Wait, let me guess. Is this memory supposed to justify
25:50
Speaker 2: or explain why she went as far as she did. Okay,
25:54
Speaker 2: so what's his memory?
25:55
Speaker 1: So she has this memory of when she was four
25:58
Speaker 1: years old and I believe she got hurt and you
26:00
Speaker 1: had to go to the hospital and she was crying.
26:02
Speaker 1: She was on a gurney, she was being pushed through
26:05
Speaker 1: the hospital. Her mom was with her, and she was
26:07
Speaker 1: crying and her mom told her to shush, shushsh because
26:14
Speaker 1: she didn't want her. She said, like, what will people
26:17
Speaker 1: think or something. She was very concerned about, you know
26:20
Speaker 1: what people would think. I don't know, she does enough.
26:24
Speaker 1: I don't know, let me just finish. She was shushed
26:26
Speaker 1: by her mom. So basically when Betty when she took
26:30
Speaker 1: the axe away from Betty, and Betty was incapacitated at
26:33
Speaker 1: that time, and I guess there was some conversation and
26:36
Speaker 1: she said, Betty said shush.
26:40
Speaker 2: When when I raised the axe above my head to
26:43
Speaker 2: slice her skull open, she said shush, and so I
26:48
Speaker 2: had to continue.
26:48
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's basically the shush defense. I don't know
26:50
Speaker 1: if you've ever heard of that before, but it's self
26:53
Speaker 1: defense combined with the shush defense.
26:55
Speaker 2: So did you just make that up? Or they called
26:57
Speaker 2: the shush defense?
26:58
Speaker 1: No, I just called it the shush defense. But it's
27:00
Speaker 1: shush defense because she claims, or they claim, or the
27:04
Speaker 1: psychologist claims that the reason that she became so angered
27:08
Speaker 1: and why she attacked Betty with such an overkill was
27:12
Speaker 1: because Betty shushed her, and then it brought up this
27:15
Speaker 1: repressed memory from her childhood where she had all this
27:19
Speaker 1: anger suppressed towards her mother.
27:21
Speaker 2: And even if that was one hundred percent reel, we're
27:25
Speaker 2: supposed to just say okay. Therefore, it was okay for
27:27
Speaker 2: you to kill her the way you did.
27:28
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm saying those are the facts,
27:32
Speaker 1: and you can make whatever decision that you deem appropriate.
27:38
Speaker 1: But that is what the defense put on and that
27:40
Speaker 1: is what they used in the trial. As far as
27:43
Speaker 1: the self defense under texts this law, self defense is
27:47
Speaker 1: a justification for using force against another if a person
27:51
Speaker 1: reasonably believes it is immediately necessary to protect against unlawful force.
27:58
Speaker 1: The key element is reason. Now, here's the thing. If
28:01
Speaker 1: I go to someone's house and then there's a little
28:04
Speaker 1: bit of a confrontation, and then they leave the room
28:06
Speaker 1: and they come back with an axe, and they swing
28:09
Speaker 1: the axe at me, it is reasonable to conclude that
28:13
Speaker 1: they are trying to kill me, and I am legally
28:17
Speaker 1: justified in protecting myself. Right. So the question is, though,
28:24
Speaker 1: how far is she allowed to go if she removes
28:28
Speaker 1: the axe, If they struggle and they're struggling over the axe,
28:32
Speaker 1: and Candy removes the axe and now she has the
28:34
Speaker 1: axe in her hand, is the threat now completely gone?
28:40
Speaker 2: It's well, does she objectively? It may be. But if
28:44
Speaker 2: you're in if someone breaks into your house, okay, one
28:47
Speaker 2: of your friends right comes over and starts to swing
28:51
Speaker 2: an axe at you, same manana right, you're in a
28:53
Speaker 2: room or you're in their house, it doesn't matter. And
28:55
Speaker 2: you're and you're in a room and they come to
28:56
Speaker 2: you and they swing an axe and you grab the action.
28:59
Speaker 2: That's enough for you. You're just gonna be like, O, hey,
29:02
Speaker 2: incident is over.
29:03
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, that's my What would you do next?
29:05
Speaker 2: I don't know?
29:05
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. The only if I believe if
29:08
Speaker 1: I got the acts away from them. But the question
29:10
Speaker 1: is I get the acts away from them?
29:12
Speaker 2: But are they Betty started? Yeah, Betty might start. Are
29:15
Speaker 2: they reaching me again?
29:16
Speaker 1: Are they going to try to grab the axe out
29:18
Speaker 1: of my hand? Are we struggling again?
29:20
Speaker 2: Or at least at the very least Betty tried to
29:22
Speaker 2: shush her.
29:23
Speaker 1: Yes, Betty did try to shush her. But the question
29:26
Speaker 1: is where's candy killer? Candy legally obligated to stop?
29:32
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, because this is one whack with.
29:34
Speaker 1: The axe enough? Is that self defense is two? Four?
29:38
Speaker 1: I mean, I know she she hit her forty one
29:39
Speaker 1: times with an axe, But where where do you drive?
29:42
Speaker 2: But this is all based on the one survivor's recounting
29:46
Speaker 2: of what took place. That's tough.
29:48
Speaker 1: Well, I understand that. However, Candy went to her house
29:53
Speaker 1: and she parked her car out in front, so we
29:55
Speaker 1: know that it's not some premeditated type of murder.
29:58
Speaker 2: No, that is true, A good point. And and she
30:00
Speaker 2: announced to everyone she was going there, that's true, so
30:03
Speaker 2: we know.
30:03
Speaker 1: That she didn't go to the house with any intent
30:06
Speaker 1: at all to commit a murder that day.
30:07
Speaker 2: That's that's zero. Very fair to say, I would agree.
30:10
Speaker 1: We know that we know that the axe belonged to
30:13
Speaker 1: the Gore household. I mean, Alan Gore said that's my axe,
30:18
Speaker 1: so we know that it's not like Candy snuck the accent.
30:21
Speaker 2: And you're right, it's adding up to Betty having initiated
30:27
Speaker 2: the violent encounter. That's correct.
30:29
Speaker 1: So my point is, okay, where okay, where is Candy
30:34
Speaker 1: obligated to stop? Well, and that's the question.
30:41
Speaker 2: Right, how well you know you could understand why someone
30:48
Speaker 2: might go above and beyond like that if your parent,
30:52
Speaker 2: if you truly believe this person is going to kill me,
30:54
Speaker 2: so you have to kill them, and you just kind
30:56
Speaker 2: of don't stop until you know it's you know what
30:59
Speaker 2: I mean, like, that's understandable. I'm not saying that's what
31:02
Speaker 2: happened here. But it's understandable for someone to be so
31:05
Speaker 2: paranoid and so such so reactive that they just NonStop,
31:12
Speaker 2: you know, try to make sure this person is put out.
31:16
Speaker 2: Let's say she is justified, and you and I think,
31:20
Speaker 2: all right, forty one strikes or however, she was in
31:23
Speaker 2: the zone and she just had to stop Betty, and
31:25
Speaker 2: she was fearful, and she did it until it was over,
31:28
Speaker 2: until she knew this person could not get up right.
31:32
Speaker 2: But then she goes and takes a shower and goes
31:34
Speaker 2: about her day. Yeah, Like, if you truly are like
31:36
Speaker 2: this person attacked me and so I killed them, you
31:39
Speaker 2: would probably call for help, whether it even be your
31:43
Speaker 2: friend or family or the police. You would call and
31:46
Speaker 2: say I was just attacked. You would be paranoid and
31:48
Speaker 2: scared and wanting to address it that way. You wouldn't
31:52
Speaker 2: just take a shower then go see a Star Wars movie.
31:55
Speaker 1: Well, and not only did she take a shower and
31:56
Speaker 1: see the Star Wars movie and go on with her
31:58
Speaker 1: day like normal and run off her errands and all
32:00
Speaker 1: the things, she also lied initially, Okay, there you go.
32:04
Speaker 1: You said that she had gone to Betty's house that day,
32:07
Speaker 1: because they, you know, because she had been there that
32:09
Speaker 1: day and they knew that, so they you know, they
32:12
Speaker 1: questioned her and she said that she saw Betty, but
32:15
Speaker 1: she never told them initially what had happened. So because
32:19
Speaker 1: you know it why in the beginning.
32:20
Speaker 2: Because you know, in their head they're thinking, I look guilty.
32:22
Speaker 2: I was sleeping with her husband.
32:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't until the affair came out that then
32:28
Speaker 1: she admitted as then she came up with the you know,
32:31
Speaker 1: she she came clean as far as what happened. The
32:42
Speaker 1: psychiatrist was the key witness for the defense. This was
32:46
Speaker 1: doctor Fred Fazen. He testified extensively about Candy's disassociative reaction,
32:53
Speaker 1: essentially arguing that she mentally had left her body during
32:57
Speaker 1: that killing. Basically ex that, you know what, when Betty
33:02
Speaker 1: shushed her, that that triggered some repressive, you know, trauma
33:05
Speaker 1: from her childhood.
33:07
Speaker 2: Tell me all these years that she's been with her husband.
33:09
Speaker 2: Her husband never once said seriously, I don't know.
33:15
Speaker 1: Probably no, I don't know the way they depicted her husband,
33:18
Speaker 1: I don't know how accurate it is, but he just
33:20
Speaker 1: seemed very much like a wallflower. She was the personality
33:24
Speaker 1: she's the one that seemed.
33:26
Speaker 2: To be hence the boredom.
33:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, she I think she was very well.
33:30
Speaker 2: Then he's very lucky he never told her to be quiet.
33:32
Speaker 1: He's very lucky he never shushed her, and that they
33:35
Speaker 1: didn't probably have an axe. The prosecution strategy was to
33:41
Speaker 1: focus on the forty one axe blows that is inconsistent
33:45
Speaker 1: with a reasonable self defense. The fact that Candy returned
33:49
Speaker 1: to a normal life afterwards, that she was able to
33:53
Speaker 1: just go on and attend church, that evening, behave normally
33:55
Speaker 1: around friends, which prosecutors used to undercut the idea that
33:59
Speaker 1: she was traumatized or acting in a disassociative state. They
34:03
Speaker 1: were arguing that she was controlled and calm, and you know,
34:08
Speaker 1: was able to mask what had happened, and no one
34:12
Speaker 1: knew the difference, no one.
34:15
Speaker 2: But that's kind of how she was with the affair too, right.
34:18
Speaker 2: It was this very mechanical and methodical Yeah, and the
34:22
Speaker 2: second way of feelings for each other we stopped, you know,
34:24
Speaker 2: It's like.
34:26
Speaker 1: They pushed back on doctor Faison's disassociation testimony, arguing that
34:31
Speaker 1: it was a convenient explanation that was constructed after the fact.
34:36
Speaker 1: You know, also, I've read a lot, and I don't
34:38
Speaker 1: know what your opinion is on this. It is now
34:40
Speaker 1: you know this case. I think even though this happened
34:42
Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty, I think this case is so
34:45
Speaker 1: interesting and people like to talk about it so much,
34:47
Speaker 1: is because of well, the self defense element is interesting,
34:50
Speaker 1: right what constitute self defense? Forty one wax with an AX.
34:54
Speaker 2: I mean is that I find the affair contract more
34:58
Speaker 2: interesting that you. I want to know more about that.
35:02
Speaker 2: I want to I would love to interview them.
35:04
Speaker 1: About that well a lot in today's present day, because
35:07
Speaker 1: remember again this happened in nineteen eighty. A lot of
35:10
Speaker 1: people call this whole psychiatrists testifying about this disassociated state
35:16
Speaker 1: and him using hypnosis.
35:18
Speaker 2: On what are they saying.
35:20
Speaker 1: Back in time? They call it junk science, And when
35:23
Speaker 1: I think about junk science and in other cases, I
35:26
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember from the Innocence Files this
35:28
Speaker 1: was on Netflix, there was a case where it was
35:31
Speaker 1: the bite marks and bitemarks to be able to be
35:34
Speaker 1: used in court, where it was like someone would testify
35:37
Speaker 1: that the you know, bitemark lined up with someone's teeth
35:40
Speaker 1: and they matched.
35:41
Speaker 2: But there's been a lot of poor testimony on that right,
35:45
Speaker 2: that's been debunked.
35:46
Speaker 1: Right, it's been debunked, and it's now considered junk science.
35:49
Speaker 1: And I think this happened in nineteen eighty and they
35:52
Speaker 1: were allowed to put this forensic psychiatry type of evidence
35:56
Speaker 1: on the stand to convince a jury that she acts.
36:00
Speaker 2: I would only fall for that if it was like
36:03
Speaker 2: they had a really unique set of teeth, right, like
36:06
Speaker 2: some like kind of like if someone has a tattoo
36:10
Speaker 2: or a scar on their body, you can clearly identify them.
36:13
Speaker 2: We're a little bit more so if they're missing a
36:16
Speaker 2: certain like a couple of teeth, or the teeth are
36:18
Speaker 2: you know, very unusual that the bite mark, you know,
36:22
Speaker 2: then it would make sense. But if it's just like
36:24
Speaker 2: her teeth kind of look like this and that kind
36:25
Speaker 2: of looks like this bitemark over here, that's not going
36:27
Speaker 2: to right and.
36:28
Speaker 1: Not considered junk science. So again, yeah, yeah, So that's
36:33
Speaker 1: that's why now in today's time, when they think, when
36:36
Speaker 1: we look back at the Candy Montgomery case, a lot
36:38
Speaker 1: of people claim that this forensic psychological type of evidence
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Speaker 1: using hypnosis and repression and wouldn't have been a.
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Speaker 2: Not unreliable, especially when you have DNA now so if
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Speaker 2: there's a bite mark, it's like, we'll get the DNA
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Speaker 2: out of it. If there is.
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Speaker 1: I keep talking, keep going back to the bite mark,
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Speaker 1: and I keep talking about.
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Speaker 2: The Yeah, the forensic junk science. I'm talking about junk signs.
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Speaker 1: I know. But you just can't let the bite mark go.
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Speaker 2: Well you brought it up.
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Speaker 1: I did, and I've moved on from the bitemark.
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Speaker 2: All right. No, we're biting all right.
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Speaker 1: The jury deliberates roughly two hours and returns. Do you
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Speaker 1: want to guess what the verdict is?
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Speaker 2: No? But can ask question first? Did you see any
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Speaker 2: photographs of the laundry room or anything like that of
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Speaker 2: the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: The photographs that they created were probably mimic the photographs
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Speaker 1: from the actual crime scene.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'd hope. So does it look pretty bad?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Her eye was gone.
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Speaker 2: I didn't need to hear that.
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Speaker 1: She she hit her in the head with an axe
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Speaker 1: and split her head open, and then her eye popped
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Speaker 1: out of the site and her one side of her
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Speaker 1: entire face was the prosecution I think said it was
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Speaker 1: like a mulch.
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Speaker 2: It was gone.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she went.
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Speaker 2: She and then she went about her day.
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Speaker 1: Then she went about her day. The jury deliberated roughly
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Speaker 1: two hours and returns a not guilty verdict.
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Speaker 2: How many hours?
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Speaker 1: Two? Two hours and returned a not guilty verdict. They
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Speaker 1: found her not guilty because of self defense. They believe
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Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt that she defended herself justifiably and reasonably,
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Speaker 1: and they returned a not guilty verdict.
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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, what does on those people?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But here's the thing, though, I do believe.
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Speaker 1: I mean, my takeaway is she was justified, and it
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Speaker 1: was justifiable self defense. If someone comes at you with
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Speaker 1: an AX, you have a reasonable expectation that your life
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Speaker 1: is in danger, and you are allowed to protect yourself
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Speaker 1: and to defend yourself. The question is, are you only
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Speaker 1: allowed to defend yourself until she was incapacitated and then
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Speaker 1: you tried to run? Do you have that duty or
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Speaker 1: are you a dout to retreat? Or or do you
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Speaker 1: or can you whack her forty one times?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think there's a number you're
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Speaker 2: trying to I know you're not, but the way it
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Speaker 2: comes off is like you're trying to sign a note.
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Speaker 1: I guess My question is if you hit her twice
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Speaker 1: and she died, Is that not the same as hitting
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Speaker 1: her forty one times since she died?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think forty one strikes says something. Hitting
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Speaker 2: her twice and she's dead says, I incapacitated her, and
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Speaker 2: then I stopped forty one times. Then you started to
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Speaker 2: ask the questions, why, what was your right, right? Right?
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Speaker 2: Did you want to make sure she was dead beyond
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Speaker 2: just taking the axe away and stopping it and talking
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Speaker 2: to her trying to run away?
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Speaker 1: The verdict sparks public outrage, and protesters gather outside the courthouse,
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Speaker 1: shouting murderer. As Candy leaves, Betty's family publicly expresses disappointment
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Speaker 1: with the outcome. Obviously right. Betty's Family's disappointed, certainly, and
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Speaker 1: reports suggests that Candy moved to Georgia and has largely
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Speaker 1: stayed out of the public like I, despite renewed attention
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Speaker 1: from documentaries and dramatizations of the case. Now here's what happened.
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Speaker 1: Candy cannot stay in Wiley, Texas, right, I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: no way you can stay there. You can't go to
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Speaker 1: the same church. And why not?
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Speaker 2: She was found not guilty?
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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? I mean, she can you imagine? I mean,
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Speaker 1: how's she gonna go the grocery store or live a
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Speaker 1: normal life.
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Speaker 2: Oh now the whole town knows not to shush her.
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Speaker 1: Right, do not shush her. They moved to Georgia. She
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Speaker 1: stays married to Pat, her husband, so Pat stays with
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Speaker 1: her through the whole affair, the whole trial, the axe everything.
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Speaker 1: They moved to Georgia, that's where she was originally from.
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Speaker 1: They end up getting divorced later, which I mean that
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Speaker 1: kind of kills me, the fact that you can stay
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Speaker 1: together through an affair and through a murder trial, but
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Speaker 1: then you end up getting divorced later, Like.
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Speaker 2: What where did you draw the line?
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Speaker 1: What was it?
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Speaker 2: Then you're like you keep leaving the towels on the floor.
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Speaker 2: I can't live like this, take it anymore.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what was it that actually finally broke this marriage? Anyway,
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Speaker 1: she moves away. She lives in Georgia. Here's an entry
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Speaker 1: interesting fact. She is now a family therapist, and I
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Speaker 1: believe she practices alongside her daughter, daughter Jenny. I think
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Speaker 1: she's a therapist as well.
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Speaker 2: And does she disclose to her clients her history?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have to? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Is there an.
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Speaker 2: Ethical duty to disclose.
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Speaker 1: Disclose that you whack someone with an axe forty one
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Speaker 1: times and then you were acquitted.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's crazy, but maybe she's uh, maybe
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Speaker 2: she's now a better person.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe she could help.
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Speaker 2: But that's funny. She's a family family therapists, some type
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Speaker 2: of therapy. But she couldn't say her marriage and she
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Speaker 2: killed someone and had an affair. Well did she kill
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Speaker 2: I mean she did kill someone.
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Speaker 1: She did, but was it justified?
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter she killed I'm just saying she killed
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Speaker 2: someone as a result that that surface as a result
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Speaker 2: of having an affair because she was bored.
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Speaker 1: She was bored.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then she gets divorced later and then she didn't
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Speaker 2: tell people how to solve their problems.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, So all right, here's my question
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Speaker 1: to everyone out there listening. I want to know if
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Speaker 1: you believe if that the jury got it right, what
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Speaker 1: do you think about the jury's decision. Should she been
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Speaker 1: acquitted like they did because it was self defense or
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Speaker 1: should she have spent time in prison for the murder
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Speaker 1: of Betty Gore? So let me know your thoughts on
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Speaker 1: that anyway. Do you have any final thoughts on Candy? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: It's it's really tough. I wish we had something more.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean, something more with evidence.
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Speaker 2: To know you know, I mean what we won't especially
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Speaker 2: back then.
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Speaker 1: What else do you want to know?
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Speaker 2: Like what evidence could surface that might answer some questions?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what are your questions?
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the question that you posted at the
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Speaker 2: very beginning. Was it justified?
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean we know that, I mean we don't.
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Speaker 2: We just know her version of the events. Yes, we
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Speaker 2: only That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: We only know her version, and I agree with that. However, Betty,
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Speaker 1: it was Betty's acts, and Betty came at her with
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Speaker 1: an I believe those I believe.
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Speaker 2: That that is okay, Yeah, you're right. I keep forgetting
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Speaker 2: the part that that can only make sense right because
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Speaker 2: she's right. She told people where she was going, she
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Speaker 2: parked out friends, and she didn't she didn't hide the
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Speaker 2: fact that she didn't try to create an alibi. Shouldn't
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Speaker 2: do anything other than just kill her.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't her acts. Yeah, So all right, guys, I
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