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Big Ten Championship Preview with Grant Shouse & Mike Hutsell (2.103.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are listening to a special edition of the IU Report with Grant Shows and My Cutsal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their brief view of the big 10 championship game between the second ranked Indiana Hoosiers and number one defending national champion Ohio State in Indianapolis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course Grant and Mike will be back after the game with their reaction to what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Only on the Central Indiana Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back college football fans to the Central Indian esports report for a special edition of the IU report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A big 10 football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Championship game, number one Ohio State, number two IU, and guys, we're gonna make our predictions at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And spoiler, I'm gonna take a Ohio State, but I just think it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As someone who is not an IU fan, the job that Sigmund has done winner loose here, and the amazing thing is I would not be shocked at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it turns out that IU wins this game and is the best team in the country and grant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's...
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[SPEAKER_01]: just two years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you lost the old open bucket to brew and here they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they haven't looked back since then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's incredible how far this program's come, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember sitting there in the pissing down rain against Ohio State one year at at IU in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of people at that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of Ohio State people at a night game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and to think about now four or five years later, Indiana is undefeated at the same time as Ohio State playing in the biggest game and program history, arguably the biggest game in the 21st century for the big ten.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or more than 21.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, more than 21.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sometimes when you sit back, you take it all in, you realize what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it can get emotional for some people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would mean the world to these people here in Indiana if they win the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they're going to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to expect from this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could say what I think could happen, but I don't really know what to expect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you're kind of going in like it's a groundhog day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we gonna get the Indiana that we got last year getting so high as seen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we gonna get the Indiana we got against Oregon?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we could, but then again, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of research I put into this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, I spent all Sunday and Monday basically researching this matchup
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like Indiana on paper here, like a lot, and you don't play the game on paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You play a game on the field, but on paper this year when we matched it all up Indiana's look great against all their opponents, including Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They won the game against Penn State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They won the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Iowa, they won the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're feeling a little good from that perspective, but then again, Ohio State has guys on their team, Mike, that are literally NFL players that are still in college, which is just unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This team is so talented, they're gonna play on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you got a team that arguably their defense is going to have two of the first six picks in the NFL draft with our VL recent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and Caleb Downs, and that's just those two guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like the rest of the guys or some serious talent downgrade, but the thing of all the teams that Indian it could, if there's a final hill that you have to scale to establish what you, and bring legitimacy to your program over what's happened over the last two years, this is the final boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the team that has used Indian as a footstool for the better part of three decades.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the team with the most arrogant fan base in college football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to roll in and they're in 2012.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Buickless Saber, some guy goes by big nut 469 on the Ohio State Message Board with his face painted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're going to come in thinking you say the game is not played on paper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They think it's going to be played on history books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't the endie and a team they played last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at least in my very, very unhumbly opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not the endie and a team that they played last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if there's a moment to be had for an ineffable to just establish itself, where it wants to establish itself,
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[SPEAKER_02]: this is the opponent that it has to be against.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They could have played Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They could have played Michigan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It needed to be who it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We get to measure ourselves against the best team in the country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one versus two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just kick it off and see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't necessarily think of Indiana as an underdog in this situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Mike, let's be honest, going back to that game last year, not to dwell on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at that point, did you really feel like Indiana was going to go there to Columbus and when that game just be honest?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the fan of me, yes, I thought they were going to the realistic part of me was like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: teams about to get humbled a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the spread pretty much going into that one told you what was going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was double it was well in the double figures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember what it did up being and you've seen an opposite story this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The number open at five and a half quickly moved four to half and now you're at four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the money right now is coming in on Indiana and there's a lot of sharp
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[SPEAKER_02]: To move the line of point and a half like that is saying something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you're going to break down a lot of stats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to break down a lot of analytics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything I've seen this week shows that this game is 49.8 Indiana 50.2.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ohio state or any and a 51 Ohio state 49% just based on whatever metric you're looking at it looks just so evenly matched on paper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, like you said, it's not played on paper, but this is the best team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ohio state is face this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the best team in the and as face this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that feeling I had last year going into Columbus again, like you said the thing in use says yes, but in the back of your mind, you're like, we'll see, right, we'll see how they can compete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel that way this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I really think Indiana has a shot to win this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio State Defense is insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote down here,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of the times are all the ways the Indiana allowed their opponents to score, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's enclosely all the minion two log runs by the quarterback and busted coverage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, first play of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenneth's all state scored three field goals last 56 to nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana State didn't score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost 73 to nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Illinois scored one field goal and scored a touchdown on busted coverage from the IUD fence, which is we've seen that a timer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen that multiple times here this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana, Iowa, or had Iowa come down and score one time on them, the rest were field goals, Indiana 1, 20 to 15.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oregon scored off one offense of touchdown on them on a bus to coverage again and a pick six, then they also hit field goals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michigan State put together a long drive and made them pay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They scored in a couple of field goals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: UCLA lost 56 to six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana 1,
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[SPEAKER_00]: used the LA score two field goals, Maryland, one field goal after giving in the ball in deep and plus territory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they scored a long touchdown on a 55 yard check down pass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Penn State credit to Penn State, they played well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They played as they played better than anyone has against the Indiana this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana still won twenty seven twenty four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana beat Wisconsin thirty one to seven Wisconsin scored one touchdown on a bus to coverage pass play that everybody thought was going to be a run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one that I had to check into the Bloomington Hospital there Mike because I was crashing out at a stroke and section one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Indiana beat Purdue
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, one of field goals was, Barry Oden, telling his grandkids about that field goal, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how Indiana has allowed their teams to score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As for Ohio State, you thought Indiana's was impressive where they really haven't let teams come down and score on them, the only times they scored on bus that coverage will listen to Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio State let Texas score on a 32-yard touchdown pass when the game was essentially over as 14, nothing late in Ohio State filling up when in 14, 7, over Texas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They shut out randomly state 70 to nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat Ohio 37 to 9 Ohio scored a field goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio State gave up a bus that coverage touched down a 67 yard touchdown path that made it 13 9 Ohio State only up by four early in the third quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Washington scored two field goals, Minnesota, one field goal, Illinois, one field goal, one and a one yard touchdown run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a long drive that made Ohio State pay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They went down and scored on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They shut out Wisconsin, Wisconsin did not score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben State scored two touchdowns from inside their own five yard line after long drives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Purdue, one field goal and a late touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: UCLA, one touchdown and a late field goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rutgers, three field goals, Michigan, three field goals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio State is not allowed an opponent to score touchdown on them since November the 15th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but neither is Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both teams' defenses are really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would give the edge defensively just by a hair, maybe to Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio State's just been a little more consistent defensively where we seen Indiana kind of get confused and coverages and let those long plays go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've also seen Indiana's defense, be arguably just as good as Ohio State, if not better and arguably the best defense in the country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How many times this year have we done this podcast on a post game reaction?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Done a preview and we've said, man, Indiana's got really good such and such.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we say, but Ohio State's is probably a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana's got a really good defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a great coordinator and they probably have the best in the commerce.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know Ohio State's really good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana's got two really really good receivers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, they might have the best receivers the big 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Ohio State's got Jeremiah Smith and Carl Naltate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, and Dose, he might win the Heisman this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, the Saiyan kids right there on his heels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a fun game to break down, because it's no question who the best team two teams in the conference are, and it's these two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the most, just heartening thing for me is right now is I don't know where Indiana has an advantage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll ask you, do you have to see any particular thing Indiana does better than Ohio State?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Indiana, I think Indiana's better on special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm being sure, I think Indiana's better on special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It made special teams play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Indiana is better overall, maybe opening football games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Indiana's better closing games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause here's the thing is, Signetti even said this Ohio state hasn't been challenged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Other than arguably the Texas game, where they haven't had to have a win by the hair
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're Indiana's head these gut check games like Penn State, like Iowa, like Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana's is experienced in these late game situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what Ohio State can do late in a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana wins close games and if Indiana is in the game and it's a close game in the fourth quarter, I think the win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I truly do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the win the game, if it's close in the fourth quarter, this staff under Kurt Sigmetti is 26 and 16 in one score games, even going all the way back to the IUP days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 26 and 16.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Day at Ohio State, a little left consistent there, where they are nine and six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in close games in one score games and credit to them this year where they've won their only one score game over Texas last year in 2024 they were two and two in one score games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost at Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost the Michigan in a one score game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat Penn State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat Nebraska in a one score game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People want to talk about the head-to-head match-ups here in who Indiana has blown out compared to Ohio State where Indiana blew out Purdue 56 to three Ohio State only 1.34 to 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my question for you is might you think that's a fair kind of comparison or I guess a fair way to compare these teams on where they stand against each other because of what they've done against common opponents.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, the only metric you have is they're on field against teams that they played each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Ohio State went too Illinois and one pretty convincingly where we all know what Indiana
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[SPEAKER_02]: pretty easy when I get to UCLA, so did Indiana, Purdue, the world stood still at three to nothing, but we got that early field goal that they seemed to really, really thrive on, but Ohio State basically put it away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ohio State's best win and conference probably at it's either at Illinois at Michigan obviously at Michigan ends up being their best but going to the Michigan game their best win in conference was either at Illinois or at Washington uh... where's Indiana's you had at Oregon obviously and then at Iowa
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[SPEAKER_02]: At Penn State at Penn State, but let's say, so this is a six and six Penn State team that can't seem to find a head coach Ohio State struggled a little bit with Penn State in the first half of their game Penn State moved the ball in the first half where it was kind of the opposite for Indiana, they kind of dominated the first half of that game, but really struggled in the second half so comparing opponents is difficult because
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[SPEAKER_02]: Both teams abdominated, the conference seems they face so much where the only struggle in the inner had was at Penn State and Ohio State's biggest quote unquote struggle is at Michigan, and I don't even really call that a struggle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's your only level of comparison, but I think it only only puts an exclamation mark on the fact that these are two really, really evenly matched teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that Indiana has the best win in college football this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where they went on the road and wanted Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We even saw what Ohio State last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you don't want to live in the past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But just kind of going off the last year, Ohio State lost at Oregon and Indiana won kind of convincingly at Austin Stadium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you can kind of build on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you talk about stats and you stack them up against each other and what Indiana does and what Ohio State does,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana leads all 7 statistical categories against the book, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike, scored more points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They scored more points for a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had more first towns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had more rushing first towns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've rushed for more yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've averaged more yards to carry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They averaged more yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The game on the ground, passing wise Ohio State does have a little bit more of the advantage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as the team Indiana completes 71% of their passes, whereas Ohio State only completes 59% of their passes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On third down in Indiana, converts 57% of their third down, so Ohio State only converts 56% of their first dance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the first quarter of games this year, Indiana is outscoring opponents, 122 to 33.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio State's outscoring opponents, 85 to 12.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the key is, I think, of course, we're gonna have to set the table early in the first quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think of Indiana can put a couple scores, couple touchdowns up on the board in the first quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can get through that defense and try and break Ohio say down again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like their chances early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the defense and just how great both defense is our Indiana again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Statistic wife has the better defense significantly more tackles for loss than Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_02]: player in the conference for tackles for loss was only an honorable mention all big ten player and Steven daily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was literally about to say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I could be a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're Steven daily in Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's bulletin board man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you use that on the bulletin board?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana's sacked their opponents more than allow us to say they have more interceptions and more past breakups.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have more pressures on the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have more individual tackles against even daily that conferences tackle leader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 18 tackles for loss this year that have gone for 71 yards loss Ohio State's leading tacklers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually an Indianapolis kid Kate and Curry from Center Grove High School 13 and a half tackles for
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Indiana really is faired well in most of these categories, and some of them that Ohio stage has their leg up in, like time of possession, Ohio State's averaging only 14 seconds more than Indiana on time of possession per game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they have more passing first down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 154 passing first down to Indiana's 132.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the thing is Ohio State to defense this year is only allowed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 66 passing first down from their opponents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana's defense is allowed 91 passing first down this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: people can say what they want Ohio State's played in way easier schedule this year than Indiana has.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are not a serious person if you sit here and say, yeah, Ohio State's played better teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana hasn't played anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is just bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Other conference schedules.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think really you can compare the two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ohio State gets a lot
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[SPEAKER_02]: where they shut down your boy arcs and mannings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think you're right, Indiana has probably played overall a better schedule, but Indiana hasn't had a test other than the Penn State game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and Ohio State really hasn't had a test.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Since, I'm saying since the Penn State games are actually clear about Ohio State really hasn't had a test all season because like he said even the Texas game was 14 and nothing with three minutes to go in Texas scores to put a little bit of pressure on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the biggest they fell behind a little bit early in the Michigan game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was six to nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but then they just cruise from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe the reason they haven't been tested is they're that much better than everybody they've played.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that that is very scary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is one of the things you do have to consider.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess the game will tell us, people want to harp on the knockoff or schedule for Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're first two opponents in Old Dominion, Kenneth Austin, both finish nine and three this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those aren't the teams you probably want your number two team in the country to be playing, but those teams are nine and three and Indiana next year opens up with a team that could be in the college football playoff field in North Texas this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So only time will tell, but Indiana overall played a little bit of a better schedule, like 11 and one Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they played probably their the better teams on their
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[SPEAKER_00]: and in three old Dominion, nine and three Kennis Hall, eight and four Illinois, eight and four Iowa, 11 and one Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have not played a team with a over 500 records since the Oregon game, but you've been challenged in a game like Penn State, whereas you look at Ohio State and what they've done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same story in this second half of the year as Indiana except for Michigan, who's nine and three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Texas is nine and three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Granddling State went seven and five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ohio went eight and four, Washington eight and four Minnesota seven and five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Illinois eight and four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wisconsin 4 and 8 Penn State 66 Purdue 2 and 10 UCLA 3 and 9 Rutgers 5 and 7 Michigan 9 and 3 Indiana I know there's some consistency at the first half of that schedule for both teams second half of the year they have not been challenged Ohio State has been challenged I think Indiana has been challenged with Penn State of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Ohio State really is not feeling a challenge yet this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Indiana, I hope can present problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I guess it is scary to think about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Ohio State has been challenged because they're just that damn good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like Ohio State hasn't, and hopefully I'm wrong and I don't eat my words come Saturday night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Ohio State really has the roster and the capability I think that pound teams
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they haven't really done that like we've seen Indiana do it like we saw them do it against Illinois and UCLA in Maryland where they pounded these themes Ohio State like they beat Minnesota 42 to 3 they beat Purdue 3410 UCLA 4810 Michigan 279 it just haven't really blown it open like Indiana hasn't just pounded some teams
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who you give the leg up to in that department, but I think that is one of things to consider if you're making a bet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One thing that we haven't discussed yet, and I probably won't matter, but it would be nice if it did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The news broke today that Brian Hartline, the offensive coordinator for Ohio State,
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[SPEAKER_02]: discussions with Kentucky for that job.
24:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So if he's been interviewing for jobs this week, hey, you know, maybe his mind has a 100% been focused on Indiana.
24:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And he is going to stay on as long as as the season's going as the O.C.
24:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Hardline is one of the top assistants in the country.
24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anybody's going to argue that he's turned Ohio State into wide receiver
24:43
[SPEAKER_02]: a huge get for South Florida.
24:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like as far as the coaching carousel.
24:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's something that Ohio State wasn't prepared for.
24:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking for advantages wherever I can find them.
24:56
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things I don't like here is that Indiana gave Ohio State some bullets and board material today, Kurt Signetti for the second straight season was named the Big Ten Coach of the Year.
25:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know how Ohio State players will respond to that and say, Ryan Day is also undefeated and could have won Big Ten Coach of the Year.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're right.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that Signetti just likes to stood above all of them.
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he did make more of an impact for his program.
25:25
[SPEAKER_00]: then maybe Ryan Day did this year.
25:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That's hard to argue.
25:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They're literally both one and two in the country.
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's been laying you're in on my mind a little bit.
25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Mike is, how much of this big 10 championship really matters?
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: You obviously want to win the game, but both teams are in the playoff.
25:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna be in the playoff, as long as one of them doesn't get blown out.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think like Indiana would blow this team out but you don't want Indiana getting blown out by Ohio State and others the question if you're going to be a top 14.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You're both going to be in the playoff.
26:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You're basically playing this game to decide who's going to be the one seed.
26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this, do you think a meaningless game may be more for Ohio State than it is Indiana?
26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Because all the pressures on Ohio State to win.
26:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: They're favored on all betting lines.
26:23
[SPEAKER_00]: the public, the college football people expect him to win.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: The pressure is on Ohio State.
26:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana's got nothing to lose here.
26:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and the in the big scope of the 2025 college football season.
26:38
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think this game matters.
26:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I can guarantee you to an Indiana fan.
26:44
[SPEAKER_02]: This game means I hell of a lot more than the end does to the Ohio State fan.
26:48
[SPEAKER_02]: The Ohio State fans are going to say, if they lose, okay, well, we'll just be the two seed.
26:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana fans, if they win this thing, they're going to want to have a parade all the way down back to Bloomington because Indiana winning the big 10 championship going undefeated and going to play in the Rose Bowl for the college football playoff.
27:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You, that doesn't happen.
27:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That's never been a part of any fans like, even collective like wish list.
27:20
[SPEAKER_02]: We've, we've, we've told me the times we've talked about we'd have been happy if Kirk'signetti came in and went eight and four in his two seasons.
27:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So it means a hell of a lot more to Indiana fans than it does to Ohio State.
27:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I can guarantee you that now.
27:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a list.
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: If Indiana wins the game, it still won't be the biggest win in program history surpassing the 1967 Old Oak and Bucket game when Indiana beat Purdue to go to the Rose Bowl.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: This win still won't come anywhere near that game.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's right.
27:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I really hope that's sarcasm that I'm just not picking up on.
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, thank it's it's hard getting back to an earlier joke, Mike.
28:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that's what he was going for, but you know, you never know, because there are still going to be Indiana fans who will probably make that argument, regardless of what if Indiana wins on Saturday or not, but if you want to talk about the 2025 college football playoff and the ramifications for this game.
28:23
[SPEAKER_02]: If Ohio State wins, they're obviously in the number one seed.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: If Indiana wins, they're the number one seed.
28:29
[SPEAKER_02]: If Ohio State loses, I think they fall from one to two.
28:32
[SPEAKER_02]: If Indiana loses, and it's by more than 10 points, in Georgia beats Bama to avenge their only loss on the season, I think it's going to be tough.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Georgia is going to slide into the number two slot in that scenario.
28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Then the question becomes,
28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: what if Texas Tech beats BYU?
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, Texas Tech's only lost this year is going to be a game where they're starting quarterback didn't play against Arizona State.
29:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Does Texas Tech become the three Indiana the fourth?
29:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see either one of these teams falling out of the top four because where Oregon sits?
29:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana's not going to we talked about it earlier this week.
29:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't see a scenario where they're going to put Oregon in front of Indiana.
29:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so either just because of the head to head match up with Indiana and Oregon earlier in the year.
29:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm hoping you just kind of solve all of it's by just winning the game beating beating Ohio State there.
29:36
[SPEAKER_00]: In the big 10 championship for the biggest win in program history.
29:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm all for it, man.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been thinking about how crazy this would be for a long, long time.
29:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see it get done for people like my grandpa, who's been a fan his whole life, and hasn't seen anything like this ever.
29:58
[SPEAKER_00]: People like my dad, who's never seen anything like this, where we're kind of spoiled.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: We're kind of living in the glory days of this football program right now.
30:08
[SPEAKER_00]: and the glory days aren't defined by like a seven and five year or like an eight and four maybe like a sneaky nine and three year.
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about an undefeated football team.
30:22
[SPEAKER_00]: going to play the number one team in the country on a neutral field in your home state.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I had someone telling me today, they're like, do you really, somebody Ohio State people will be at that game?
30:32
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be more Ohio State people at that game than Indiana.
30:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, do you not realize that the game is being played in Indianapolis?
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be people flooded to that game that are Indiana fans.
30:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It is going to be a home game and you get a Ohio State at home next year,
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: The opportunity is right here, you just have got to go grab it.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana, I think, can win the game on Saturday?
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Will they win the game?
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got no idea.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I can start.
31:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Gran, I know you kept friends who say this is going to be in Ohio State home game.
31:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And they probably did buy a lot of tickets before the market absolutely went crazy for this game, which I don't think really happened until the Oregon game.
31:19
[SPEAKER_02]: These dumb motherfuckers are going to come driving in three miles on this in the fast lane driving under the speed limit like every idiot from Ohio ever does that's right And we've just got to send them home and are really really getting murdered They can go home, they can stop and get that shitty chilly that Cincinnati serves They can go watch some Drew Carey show reruns Go watch the two worst franchises in NFL history
31:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Go cry about the Columbus crew, who I don't even think exist anymore, maybe they do, I don't care.
31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And as you mentioned the worst fans, and tell it football.
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: The prison from Shawshanks in Ohio, I learned that weird fact when I was driving to the proof of the Hall of Ammon's.
32:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
32:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:11
[SPEAKER_02]: No kidding.
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright guys, let's make our predictions.
32:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Grant is going to whisk out, I think Mike might too, but I'm going to say that I think this is going to be as Grant mentioned a defensive struggle points are going to be at a premium.
32:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Both teams though have really good offensive playmakers.
32:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to come down to who makes those plays.
32:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And it gets pretty much a toss-up.
32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I do it better than two to one, but give me Ohio State.
32:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough to make a prediction if you don't want to predict your own team, but then again, you don't want to be wrong.
32:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks stupid.
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to give you a store.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you a spread.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take it.
32:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
32:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
33:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I really, really don't know.
33:04
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked.
33:06
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked for 40 minutes now and I don't have any sort of opinion.
33:11
[SPEAKER_02]: One way or the other grants and one thing that kind of caught my attention is if Indiana's better on special teams this year.
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: that Ohio State, remember last year's game was largely decided by two specialties, the wonders.
33:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Indiana.
33:26
[SPEAKER_02]: The snap at the punner didn't even seem like he tried to catch before half time in the punt return in the beginning of the third quarter that turned a seven seven game into a 21 seven game.
33:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So if Indiana is truly better on the puzzle team, maybe they keep it close and they win on a reddit, reddish field goal.
33:46
[SPEAKER_02]: late in the game.
33:49
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, I just think that the NFL talent is there for Ohio State.
33:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So I will stick with the buck guys.
33:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know a score.
33:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to go there.
34:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ohio State wins with the spread being at four that seems about right to me.
34:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So Ohio State eats it out.
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we all to re-agree Ohio State and the close one, and it could go either way.
34:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we all to re-agree that.
34:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of present a degree with that.
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everyone.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: We will be back this weekend with more IU football and some IU basketball as well.
34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They take on Louisville on Saturday afternoon.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Grant and Michael be back either on Sunday, Saturday or Sunday.
34:54
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