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Q & A The 80s Part Two · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt.
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Penknife questions and answers. The 80s part 2.
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What, what comes to mind when you think of the 80s?
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Are you talking to me? I'm talking to you, Colin
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Baker's costume and the Starfield.
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I was thinking sort of, in general.
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Not don't know. I was thinking like, Bonnie,
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Tyler Total Eclipse of the Heart, the sort of eighties top
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of the pops. Like what's that one
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doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo? Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.
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The that yes this is the 80s part 2 back by popular demand
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because we had 500 questions and another 500 from frasor I doing
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today. Good.
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Yeah plenty of questions. Oh you know I'm sure you do.
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Don't you try and distract from the fact that it's your birthday
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today to congratulate, lovely? Yes.
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That's great food. Yes.
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Another celebration, right? It a lot of fuss, Jesus.
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I'm trying to work out what ones we asked last time.
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What we haven't Because all these threads on Twitter are
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very complicated. While say, Twitter went mad.
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After you dropped an F-bomb about Eric's awards every day.
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Let's start off, you read that? Yeah.
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Luke Malloy had a hard-on about you getting mad about Eric's
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award. Well, the first question in this
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section comes from Pete Lambert. Oh pale Amber.
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And I don't know, this might have been done after the last
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episode or not, I don't know, because he's pert will dr.
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You Twitter ever get over itself regarding the say, word years.
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And Stop treating it as an aberration, but it was one of
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the most popular errors of the series popular.
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What? Eras of the series that turned
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many of us into fans in the first place, or has the pendulum
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got stuck on this one. I don't think the reason why is
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unpopular in fandom is because it was it was cancelled once and
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then canceled for good. The second time the rating is
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took a dive and the show was considered a bit of a joke by
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the BBC that that would mean there wasn't some fantastic
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things coming out of the 80s doctor but you and I've already
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said in we it's very inconsistent.
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Yes. Compared to other errors Eros.
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Whereas fuck. Yeah.
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I mean, I'm not gonna go on about this, but I do think it
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was those scripts. What about Chris?
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Wragge bid me Dara and Andrew Coleman, alzira.
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Yeah, not so bad, not so bad and more consistent, they've got a
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ton about, isn't it season 18, a lot of the whole tone of that in
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the East, Bay's Trilogy and the lip the eye and going in from
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keep her truck. And the gospel is going through
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to Castro valve. Yeah.
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And then suddenly you hit for Tuesday, don't you at the sort
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of that Sansa nehru but towards the end of that season, tell
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them. That's when the script editor
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changes in their lie. Oh, we haven't really got any
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one, and then Eric's a wood comes in.
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What did you get something bold and bring it like Earth shall
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go? Which is a good script.
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I think it's a bit muddy, but it's exciting and then you get
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time fly. Then you go Arc of infinity.
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I bet you get snake dance. It's all over the bloody place.
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But so do you think then that fandom overreact a bit about the
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80s. Honor, think there's the stigma
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that there was now about the 80s.
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I think they look, no, not all quite not must know.
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I just feel like, can I have it - ask you to make a prediction
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please? After what you think Sarah to is
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going to think about the 80s as As you enter that era, I don't
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know. I've no idea, so difficult to
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tell it's difficult to tell, we all figured that she's gonna
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hate, you know, I'm getting factor and things like this and
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Chassis, bloody loves it. So it's very hard to tell with
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all Sarah. Yeah, very, very tricky.
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Next question from frasor. Okay.
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Come on, Fraser one. Yeah, so it's snug.
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Mary will cover in plasma tan juices, excuse me.
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I didn't write that you get From a plasmid home anyway, like
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massive white tubs. Well, it's not very covering
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plasmids. When juices should I do?
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What can I just say something? So very quickly before we go to
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this question when he first came on this thing, right?
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He was like fucking sister Wendy.
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I know she's the one that was a penis.
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He was like Mother Theresa saying oh stop it.
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Stop it. Stop bringing in six and now
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he's asking questions like this. How'd you get juice from a
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plasma totem and also, please go ahead and The three choices are
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Peter Davison, Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy was that strong
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marry avoid. It's not marry covering plasmids
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hundred. He said, oh my God.
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Okay, so snoke pitocin is the prettiest of the three.
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I would marry Colin Baker because I think he's witty and
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erudite and I think he likes his food as well side of Y.
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So we have from, we cannot even gristick battles.
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With it. Ignore what talking with you is
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like having an argument with a thesaurus, derivative from the
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one doctor what he's arguing with.
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Christopher Biggins and are Jews all over Sylvester McCoy because
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he's always, I mean, you've taken that is, as Jesus just
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covering plasmids on Jesus. Well, just for the record
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Sylvester McCoy. I know you're on Twitter saying,
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how much Rihanna was your favorite.
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Oh my God. And then he's read it and thinks
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it's real so that he's done a video be like, or Rihanna.
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Just as you can take it, as written, all this case of mr.
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McCoy, the Seventh Doctor, I'd happily cheers.
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On you, with plasma tan juice, Okay.
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Next actually I'm just going to do another Fraser where I'm just
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on the same thing. This is snog, marry install.
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Best questions. So snug, Mario throw under the
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marker. What's that mean?
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Throw under the Merkur? Like what we hoped by the Mucca,
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know, you'll put your putting words into these things often
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grow up onto the market, it could just trample them.
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Okay, let's have sex with her. Imagine the merkava tanks of
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yeah. Okay, well is Tegan Perry or a
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case here, where would do Would you do Tegan Perry or Ace?
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Oh, no. I know.
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I've just said that by the Merkur rogering.
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One of them. Okay, well he's going to Roger
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but the Merkur can Roger Perry because she's just used to it?
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Now she's been obviously. Well, stuffing planet of fire
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about a stepfather. There's something sinister going
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on there, then she's got horrible, slugs, and mr.
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Joe Bell and shock, I lust and so the Merkur can trample Perry
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and she just scream her head off, whatever's Tegan.
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Snorkel. Mary.
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Yeah, fuck. Okay.
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I'll marry Tegan but taken now with a sense of humor and I'll
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snag a she's probably good for so long and she so rough Urban
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girl you know rough with and girl she's a lot tongue, ice
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last Mike Smith. Okay, next question is from
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Mikey and Janie. I'll Mikey Mikey from Mikey and
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Jane He is fabulous show. I've still got to the end of the
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colony in space, but honestly it was fabulous on that.
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I can muster get that sorted anyway.
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Mikey what do you have to say which to 80 stories would have
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been better with a the next and be the previous doctors that
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makes sense. So which to which story would
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have invested over the next 80? Stories are.
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So you've got a Peter Davison story which out what would it
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have been better with? I've got, I've got it, the next
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I've got it, you know, I was gonna get a serious answer.
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I think time and the Rani will be better with Colin Baker.
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Right. Because as far as I know, Matt
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Michael was saying that was originally to be Colin, Baker's,
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lastly, rotors, and Colin was like I'm not coming back to that
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that he was going to. He was going to be the one with
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the Bangles at the end, and explode, with the brain to stop
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the, you know, the Ronnie's brain from going back in time
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and find changes. Yeah, not the Bangles.
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Close your eyes. Give me your hand, darling.
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Do you feel my heart beat of? Sorry, do you know those
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bracelets the explosive braces? They go around.
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They probably Baker's going to get death death, by explosive
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bangle. I mean, his cams know that, but
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I do think he suits that story. I could see him, you know,
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tripping all over the set and he would do Tom.
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It's very colorful like Colin Baker's boxer.
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Yes, it is. Yeah, especially the bit.
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Where goes to the Ronnie mop. My brow magically make a saying
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that, and the sorry. I story with a previous doctor.
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Yeah, yeah, I'd like to see something like, I think on a
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Baker's, brilliant inventions lumbar us, but I think Peter
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Davison is Doctor, would give it a, it would be a bit gentler.
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It would be bit less in your face if you had a sort of
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morally, upright, doctor It beats.
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Dave's, yeah, true. That would work really well.
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But you couldn't really because people get him and Jason Connery
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mixed up because they both look the same, don't they?
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In a way they do, well, they take off PA Davidson's close.
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But the dress is gonna, I don't think anyone especially me and
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Lucy McCall will be complaining. That's a good question.
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Thanks, Mikey. It was a good one and the next
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one this is from mouth. Mm rope, three-dimensional
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stuff, he's back. Regarding the level of violence,
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it contained. Do you feel the violence had
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already increased in season 21? You've already asked this
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question. I asked that one, laughs.
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Yeah, okay. Well, from Rob, your question
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was very good, but the answer is, in the first part of this
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JoJo, one, two, three, Georgia. One, two, three, hello.
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What's that unit? No, I'm sorry.
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They've been cut due to lack of funding Eileen evasions.
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Well, when's the last time that happened?
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Sorry, God. And favorite Daleks We from the
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80s our rev, okay? My favorite, Dalek story of the
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80s is revelation of the Daleks, but it's not because it's a
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Dalek story because it's just a fucking brilliant story.
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My favorite story with Daleks in it of the 80s is remembrance of
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the Daleks. I think Marissa's, their best is
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their best outing, their back to sort of being the guy in charge
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again, aren't they? I'd ever also pops up for some
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rice pudding at the end, but it's been If it's not even
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divert all the way through. Yeah.
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Yeah. And those do you like the design
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of those Imperial Daleks? I mean, it's got the special
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weapons dialects in it, so it can take out 31, go.
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I know I'd say, I'd say, off all the alarms in London, at the
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same time, honestly, just bit like you in it.
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Okay, Jeff the wheezing Grandpa's, oh, that's that's
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lovely. Jeff got all do right?
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Okay, sorry. It's sometimes, I read people's
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names are sometimes of The ads. But I'm just saying Chef got
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uploaded fabulous. Pair of the doctor commentary
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will GNT ever get the credit he deserves for overseeing, a
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nearly full decade of Doctor Who and ensuring that he carried on
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Post 89 initially with like the years sets, like, kept the
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Legacy rather than being maligned for the shortcomings
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and lack of belief from the beep themselves.
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I think that's already happened. I think that book life is
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Godless times are drawn a from Turner that Documentary, that's
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on the season. 26, boxers or 26? The John nathan-turner one.
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I think he's getting some recognition now in a way that he
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wasn't, and if you go and listen to my planet of fire commentary,
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which is not out yet. So you can in the future, we
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actually talked about how he can put the money on the screen in a
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pretty spectacular way. And how his guest casting works
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and do you think that John nathan-turner does a lot of the
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same tricks that Rossi day? I said later, he brings him some
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sort of prestige guest actors. He tries to make it look as
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expensive as possible. It makes it fun and campy and
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accessible to children. I think Jets or Rusty.
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James Rusty. Doses are better producer and he
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understands television best at the Jonathan Turner.
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But if you had John nathan-turner with that mindset.
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Yeah, it's very much with the, on the merchandise and the whole
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branding, you know. Yeah.
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Regular costumes over yet. That old branding mind.
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We got it all. A fortune.
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Well, Roy's. The problem was Eric's or those
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some of those scripts, the things you get with Rusty Davis,
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is he's overseeing all of that amazing sort of dialogue in the
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story arcs, and all of the characterization.
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That's what John nathan-turner, didn't have.
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He didn't have somebody else doing that.
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It is wonderful in that Jay and him wasn't it, where he goes so.
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Well, I did my job, I got this, I got the Studio's booked, I got
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the actors in. I've got the budgets.
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I think all he had to do was sort out the fucking scripts.
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So, Eric's Awards, sorry. You know, Aris award was say,
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wouldn't you? What was all the fault?
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The producer, Jonathan Turner? Did you think he's getting
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recognition now? Jonathan Turner?
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I think so now, I think, yeah, I think people understand a lot
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more about what was going on and what he actually put up with and
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just get it on. Like we're lucky to have what we
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had. I think if we have you talked to
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fandom in In after season 18, his name would be lauded to the
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High Heavens after the ground Williams era.
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If you talk to him after season 20 in the five, doctors after
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the celebration thing at Langley, he was in the
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Zeitgeist, it's only after that. And then I think what killed his
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reputation was the show. Coming off the air.
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In a you knowing, I think that was the problem.
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And then after that, they were like, well, this is a guy that
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killed dr. Who I think anyone ever actually
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said that, but I think that was sort of the appealing that in
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the air. I mean, he wants to Papa What
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with all the signs and stuff? I mean fans we're Our Own Worst
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Enemy. Why do you say that?
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Because just usual criticized when he does.
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Oh yeah yeah. Yeah.
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If you don't you and never and never with a new episode comes
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out you just cannot win. Like everyone expects it always
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to be the best thing ever. We can imagine if I'm suspecting
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that then in 2011 started soon coming soon too serious.
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What we have 15, Sol thinking, whatever 45 minutes with
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gastropods on the ceiling in CGI.
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Amazing. Next question is from Chris
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Hogue burn. Hello Chris how are you doing?
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And he is asking which big monster should not have come
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back and watch classic monster. Could have been used instead in
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the 80s, the 80s. I think they, you know, I've
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been listening to Mission to Magnus this week, you may well
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roll your eyes, it's a lot of fun.
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You know, seals creating woolly jumpers for the people of
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Magnus. I think the ice Warriors could
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have been done pretty well in the 80s.
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Actually, they probably would have brought back the old
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costumes and give them a polisher, but think of the
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Daleks and the 80s and the Cybermen, they looked great.
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They did look really, really good.
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What wouldn't I brought back the silurians and the Sea Devils?
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Neither of them. There was no point.
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Really was the samurai. See Devils, especially the see
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that. I mean you could have had the
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silurians. Yeah, but what do this see
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Devils actually do? They're not, but it is weird
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when you bring back a monster and then you fundamentally sort
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of don't get what they're about in the first place.
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Like it originally, they looked a bit more organic and the eye
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thing was a weapon. Well, now the, I FN glows, every
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time they talk with an ass have real fannish criticism to make,
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but I feel like if you're going to the effort to bring something
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back, that was popular before. Or get it right?
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Is that fair? Yeah.
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Anybody looked back. And then, yeah, it was just
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doing it for the sake of doing it to please, the fans or to do
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like all this will get people interested in is like, well, no,
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do you think we would have had really shit zygons in the 80s?
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Oh, you know what? Probably probably good that we
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did, you know, like what the sontarans look like?
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Monsters in the last couple of years.
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The candy man is brilliant. Destroy that we said cause she
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people close by pussy but well it's more difficult to do
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further than latex. Probably it's are you?
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So that's really really scary with us.
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I feel that's what I didn't use them.
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So that was a problem officer, a few things about how I run, they
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do look like a butthole. Okay, would you have been
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excited if John nathan-turner? Had still been around?
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Yeah, oh my God. Excited to have had a script in
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Eccleston season by John nathan-turner and David Roden if
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it was called dimensions in time and yes, no, that was just in
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time. The sequel.
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It would have been amazing to have John nathan-turner, like
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opinion on the RTD. Come back.
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Imagine, did you say that? You reimagined two dimensions in
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time in the new series, will you it's very easy?
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What would you use? Hey, what's so bad?
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That you'd be exactly the same. Exactly what you do is.
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Send us again completely different and you like one of
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the reality shows I suppose so yeah, my Collins.
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The thing is Ronnie, right people.
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So take out Pat Butcher and put in Gemma Collins, you know, the
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way from are what you're saying? What?
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Combination lock you out though? Which I have Christopher
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Eccleston and Bill Paulson. Yeah, mix of all off and David
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Tennant. And Ryan are that would be the
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highest combination ever, but they were very different fields
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and homage to the Don't over that bear.
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I'm so sorry. Okay.
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Alright I you to set me right off.
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You do. Okay, next question from you
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just post that t over place you very much.
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It's from Robert Valentine. Oh Robert Valentine.
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You angel angel. You're so smart.
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He did a Storyteller. Come true.
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Will people know because I've heard it now that I such a small
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bloke. Anyway, cool.
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Broke got to say, would your feelings about the era?
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Yeah. Be the same or different if the
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show had intended in 89, I think so.
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Yeah. I think so.
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I think had it, had it gone on into the 90s with another
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producer, it will just be another era.
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Wouldn't it like the Williams era like the Hinchcliffe error?
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It wouldn't be sort of the tail end of classic Doctor Who it
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would just be another chapter in that story.
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So yeah, I I genuinely think people would look back on the
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80s with a lot more. What?
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They, they, as we've already discussed, they do, but I don't
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think it would have had its gutter reputation.
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Had it continued. I know, I know you keep going on
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about this but the 90s Doctor Who that we would deny it.
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Yeah, I always think of bugs series to, which you haven't
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seen yet, which is got an arc of the Cyber acts of Iris.
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I'm watching it. We've and I go into space and
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everything. Some of that it's basically
21:17
Doctor Who and Ross, Henderson is the doctor and fellow has
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been cancelled from Neighbors, Krakow McLaughlin.
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And you probably right now I actually might be all right,
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Jesse Birdsall? Yeah.
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They're the companions Roth is definitely the Dockside.
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She is the best. Don't you think?
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Yeah. Can you please?
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They waste. I don't imagine though if they
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were going to go with Richard Griffiths as that 90s doctor I
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mean and Julia. Sawalha is the companion.
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I can see her. I'm not sure about him.
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All I remember him is and heated pie-in-the-sky around that time
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kind of Scar. Yeah.
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I can't imagine him as the doctor gave us a man that big
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Caribbean side where he was the, the vicar with the speech
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impediment. So he's doing like the
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christening speech and he sometimes goes like this, he's
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that pervy Uncle isn't he is an eye and I swear isn't he like
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the perfect teacher in The History Boys as well.
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I just imagined mr. Griffis, this was the perv.
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We can't let mr. McCoy.
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Basically played the the Seventh Doctor as a vehicle or less, if
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you listen to Jack, Doing it, or the greatest look, winky winky.
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How am I going here? Anyway, so any, what was
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questioned? Your feelings about the era but
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yeah. Oh yeah, Rob I think, I think
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so. And I think, I think it should
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have been cancelled. I think, under any, the fact
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that it was cancelled so, quietly as well.
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I thought they were clever stealth.
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Yeah, but it was in the newspapers.
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You don't want another record, do you?
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I think they just said it's not coming.
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My God. That's probably why they did it.
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They were like, kind of another Dutchman distress will just
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don't say it's cancel. Can I do it?
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Okay, go on. About ice Warriors the seven
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feet of doctor in the stress, I mention that in the 90s.
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So what you've been making me watch 90's, boy bands recently,
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imagine them doing doctor in distress, 911, take that and
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boyzone all coming together. He said to it be like this
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wouldn't, it would be a is shaking.
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Master manipulator. Souter describes cocoon.
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I want one thing and take that Lulu, Sylvester McCoy and Sophie
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aldred. Yeah, you know you make me.
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Shake my tits anyway, sorry. Sorry.
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Yes I did. Thank you for your question.
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Next question, from Mark dhadak Market article or how misjudged,
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if at all, was Eric's a words ambition, to release the
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handbrake on violence and portray the doctor as the less
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heroic figure capable of failure, and how differently do
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you think 80s, who would have panned out if his tenure as
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script editor had Been shorter. Sorry, my screen went off way
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through their well, we all know your house.
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I know, I know we've talked a lot about exciting but it is
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very telling that a lot of these questions are are it's a word
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Century. He does come up as a figure of
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the 80s, a controversial figure of 80s who.
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Yeah, but he did, he screw started five of nine Seasons.
24:56
That's why do you think that the 80s will be better considered in
25:01
varrock say? What hasn't stayed around so
25:03
long. Well, yeah, I think so.
25:05
Yeah, I agree. I agree without you know what,
25:08
right? I think those Colin, Baker years
25:12
and the latter, Peter Davison years, they are.
25:15
It is too violent. It is a bit jumbled, but they're
25:19
also really colorful stories and I find them quite funny.
25:25
I like the Violet, I don't mind the violence, so I don't I it
25:29
is, is if it wasn't there. It's a type of doctor who we
25:33
never would have had. But did you need Chloe Astra
25:36
being shot and resurrection of the?
25:37
Daleks are the floella Benjamin. I would, I couldn't.
25:40
Imagine that. Imagine, oh, let's what's what's
25:45
inside this window? Malik know that the question
25:52
about Colin Baker, being a more aggressive floor, doctor that
25:56
whole mr. Darcy thing I think was a
25:58
brilliant idea. So him coming in unlikable and
26:01
then becoming likeable and that we get to know me.
26:04
Overtime and and he's a bit alien and weird.
26:07
So reacts Tom Baker was a bit like that time they could be a
26:10
grumpy fucker in story is like seeds to do and horrifying Rock
26:14
and people lap it up. Colin Baker's are grumpy fucker
26:17
and people really don't like it and I think maybe because it's a
26:20
bit more pantomimic, it's a bit less.
26:26
Don't say such a lot of in Tom Baker.
26:28
Software was punching. Bloody chauffeurs different in
26:31
that in that Tom Baker's were grumpy performance.
26:33
I do you mean but with Colin Baker's?
26:35
No he's shouty in your face. Tom Baker was never like that.
26:39
You love that they won't call it Bankers all shouting and you're
26:41
not so much when Perry's like shy and going like you know like
26:47
sort of screwing up my face trying to keep away from him.
26:49
You know what, the worst part is sort of more.
26:51
Like if I say this your alerts you're going to wince don't the
26:54
worst Colin Baker example of being in your Face and try.
26:56
So when he goes bad and then you think he's done and he goes like
27:04
who is this supposed to be appealing to?
27:06
Yeah, if Colin Baker played a bit more like Tom Baker in that
27:09
way, where he Tom Baker's just a bit more sort of dismissive.
27:13
Yeah. But and but not over-the-top
27:15
where I don't think. Colin Baker.
27:16
You know what you get, you know what, you get when Colin
27:19
Baker's, are complete arse like that and then he plays against
27:23
it. So you get that bit in attacking
27:25
side where it's like, you know, I'm a Time Lord, a man of
27:27
passion morally, screaming his head off and then he just turns
27:30
to Perry and goes I won't hurt you.
27:32
I promise touches are on the nose and it's really cute.
27:36
I think. Colin Baker, found, those
27:38
moments, I think it could have been made to work really, really
27:41
well. Interesting.
27:42
I don't think it did work because people turned off when
27:44
Colin Baker was. Although someone did the numbers
27:47
recently on Twitter. After we brought our part 1,
27:50
Season 22, as an average got higher ratings by nearly 2
27:55
million than Season 20 and 21. So it wasn't critically, it may
28:01
have been unsuccessful. But certainly in terms of viewer
28:04
numbers it was more successful than Davison's were second and
28:08
third year, which is quite interesting.
28:13
It wasn't there, but I don't think it was done well with
28:15
Capaldi either. I really like asshole Capaldi,
28:18
like I really like on a better but I think for the audience
28:21
it's a bit like it puts a distance between the doctor in
28:25
the audience. Make him be that sort of person
28:27
that's going. You know, you wanna have a chat
28:29
with that fellow, rude. I will use the top layer over
28:31
there, go. So you can do little this, you
28:33
know, for him to be that nasty Fraser Gregory's wife chipped
28:38
out at that point. She stopped watching and she
28:40
didn't watch again until the woman who fell to Earth because
28:42
she was like, I don't like this guy so I think you can do it.
28:47
But you've got a temper it and we've Tom Baker, those early Tom
28:50
Baker's. You've got Sarah, Jane and Harry
28:52
in that first year and he's really warm and Kind and lovely
28:57
with them. I think that makes a difference,
29:00
it. So you've got the two sides to
29:01
him. He can be an arrogant asshole
29:04
with authority figures and mercenaries.
29:06
And all of this base still got his best friend.
29:09
That is going around the universe and joking and laughing
29:11
with. What was the question again?
29:15
Did it would all was having him as a flawed character.
29:17
Did it work? Yeah, I think it worked.
29:20
I think, oh, he said does, should he get more plaudits for
29:23
it? No.
29:24
Because I think it could have been made to work and X will
29:26
didn't make. It work was negative stuff going
29:31
so far. We saw Jesus.
29:34
And his two books for resurrection of the Daleks and
29:37
revelation of the Daleks are absolutely turns Tegan into
29:43
bionic woman. I don't understand that I did
29:45
the resurrection die. So I hope it does explain why
29:48
where she fell off that thing in power of the doctor, and we
29:51
never saw her land. It does explain why she's still
29:53
alive. You know, well then it should
29:55
bionic woman was Just take on the side man.
29:57
Imagine that you know, sort of Matrix style effects imagine
30:01
Tegan's or ducking and Diving as the sidemen of shooting bolts.
30:04
Her anyway. So I next question.
30:07
Next question from David G, David G, hello.
30:11
The 20th anniversary was one of the show's popularity Peaks but
30:16
after that he went into something of a decline it's true
30:20
is he just making a statement from a show getting a big 90
30:22
minute special to the ax less than two years later walk went
30:26
Wrong. Well, we've already asked that
30:28
question. That we're not going to repeat
30:30
it, so let's say it together. One, two, three, Eric's Awards.
30:35
He do you think, do not think Conley Baker was to blame as
30:41
well? I don't think know, Colin Baker
30:44
at all. Never Colin Baker at a finer
30:48
Ambassador for the show. You could not me.
30:52
Another one from Fraser, of course is 80s.
30:54
Who more or less Progressive than 70s?
30:57
Who do we saw that last time? No Progressive and what you were
31:03
that's very broad. Does he mean in terms of sexual
31:06
politics regular politics in terms of Technology.
31:13
I don't know, morality, I think in terms of sexual politics.
31:20
So in sort of gender, triumphs the 70s does better than the 80s
31:26
and I think, interestingly it's the late 70s is the grown
31:29
Williams era, which you just gone through.
31:31
Now, tell me how many fabulous women that you've seen in the
31:35
ground Williams era. Not as many as like, the 60s
31:38
all. Are you kidding me right now?
31:41
Us women in the gray and William Sera.
31:43
Okay, I'm going to make a start by saying one.
31:46
The Ventura Min image of the fender.
31:47
I'll hold on. No, she just what?
31:50
She just glowed. A bit turned gold and didn't say
31:53
a word. Rodin Ramana Lila.
31:56
Okay. Ramona to the serried.
31:58
Applause Emelia Rumford. Okay, there's a few.
32:02
Hang on. I'm not done.
32:03
Lady Ad Astra. She's not fabulous.
32:07
Claire from Sharda. She is fabulous.
32:10
She doesn't get much to do. She's on her own.
32:12
Most of the time just tinkering in that cupboard.
32:14
There are brilliant like really into women, what about Eileen
32:18
way in, which from the pit doesn't do very much.
32:21
Oh, you are too harsh. Do you think the 80s more
32:25
Progressive? And in terms of women, not only
32:28
the sixties is such as those characters that we had come on.
32:32
They give me some examples for Rhea enemy.
32:35
The world. Oh yeah.
32:36
That's true. I'll actually there's loads and
32:38
trout this time. Miss Kelly Miss Garrett can do
32:45
from the dominators. Remember her.
32:46
Maybe. Jennifer ya.
32:49
Later. Jennifer.
32:50
Yes. Yeah.
32:51
Okay. Alright.
32:52
Okay. So now we're saying the Neva the
32:54
70s or the 80s, we're saying the 60s Fraser.
32:57
Okay. Okay.
32:59
Next question from Tom Keyhole, hello.
33:03
Hello Tom keel. Sort of touched upon this last
33:07
time but in a hypothetical world if any of the 1980s stories were
33:10
missing from the archives which would have a greater reputation
33:15
by dint of being missing and they necessarily otherwise
33:19
deserve, whoever similar questions first, before that was
33:22
swap out, one swapping missing one for thing.
33:24
He was so what's he saying if a story was missing from the 80s
33:27
which would have a better reputation as a soundtrack
33:30
stories were missing from the archives which would have a
33:32
greater reputation by be missing?
33:34
Yeah than they already have. Yeah.
33:35
So would their reputation be different if it was missing?
33:39
See what I mean? But if we only had tele snaps
33:41
other vervoids, would we be in the gym?
34:05
Charles to speculate just what it was like inside the eye of
34:08
the black hole of Tartarus. You've taken a peek in there a
34:12
few times. And yeah, John gonna say well
34:17
dragon fire because I think dragon fire as a script is quite
34:22
witty and courage for what I think is a good performance
34:24
piece, but boy, I look shit, doesn't it?
34:27
It looks terrible. Imagine, if you could just
34:30
imagine iOS world and this fabulous freezer sent out of
34:33
this marvelous Cafe and sing In trees, Ice Gardens Glitz.
34:37
You know, imagine imagine seeing that in your head with an
34:40
enormous budget because the sound effects are all very you
34:44
get all sorts of glistened glistening.
34:46
The I sound effects and the and the music's really kind of Epic
34:49
and cinematic. So I'm going to say dragon for
34:51
what about you Well reputation, yeah.
34:57
If it was missing stuff. Hmm.
35:01
Dragonflies. We could shout maybe twin
35:07
dilemma. You think, well, as a script as
35:10
a sound drone in turning, some tell you here is one with us and
35:13
we must going but yeah, I know where it is.
35:16
A where we're going. It just wouldn't have to see any
35:18
of the terrible acting but we're prisoners.
35:25
Pick up your pins. No.
35:27
Lucky Penny, if anything's missing it automatically has
35:29
that extra level of something about it.
35:32
It's all about even like Smugglers or something.
35:36
That people might not be interested in listening to the
35:37
soundtrack but it's cool that. Okay what if what if we have
35:42
sixties is more sort of, well because of them because there
35:45
are missing stories that people long to see.
35:47
Do you imagine the 80s? Would be better considered if
35:49
there was all these gaps. All we've just so used to seeing
35:53
those ones like I do. I'm desperate to see the Kings
35:55
Demers the soundtrack of that fabulous song.
36:12
Imagine how big Perry's tits are from the very few from the very
36:18
few images. Yeah you see that book Virginia.
36:37
Yep. Get every stripe, man, that they
36:52
don't have to about penknife, not many, as they Mark manners,
36:57
Fraser Gregory. I bet that picture was formative
36:59
for all of them. What does it mean?
37:01
What do they take it with a knife or something?
37:04
A shot of Nicola Bryant. What was your thought of
37:07
formative, bloke? In Doctor Who mom was Dipper?
37:13
Bit rough? Anyway, sorry, I'm asking the
37:15
question they. All right, next question.
37:17
Another one from frasor. I'll look a here we go.
37:20
Just what is it? It do you think about Terminus
37:23
that makes sigh heart? Love it.
37:24
So what's very strange? Just why you know once you find
37:28
it's like no he doesn't hate say okay but phrase has been going
37:31
on about me and side doing a commentary on Terminus for
37:34
bloody ages. He doesn't like it Fraser.
37:38
The joke is old. That know, the joke will never
37:40
be old. He doesn't like it though.
37:43
You better move on or be rude. I've got another Fraser one
37:45
actually as well. Just on the thread here.
37:48
Just all phrase a question. This is a biggie.
37:51
As sensible. Serious question, not knock Mary
37:54
plasma. Torches takes a bit of
37:56
concentration, okay, you ready? Yeah.
37:59
You have seven stories. You can pick from all of 80s,
38:02
Doctor Who, yeah, to build your ultimate 80s Doctor Who super
38:07
season. I'll my God stories.
38:10
And what order that may be the best question we've had yet,
38:15
supers, okay, you've got to do this as well.
38:16
Then open stories, that's quite a lot actually seven.
38:20
Okay, I'm going to go. A bit nice.
38:21
So I'm going to say no, no it could just be some stories.
38:26
So I'm going to say Warriors gay this in the right order so
38:30
that's your season. Opener Warriors game, if one
38:32
Switched Off a coin flipping up a dreary than the beginning of
38:42
the Leisure. I've, you know, kind of cross
38:44
all those textures. No, I'm just choosing something
38:47
stories. All right.
38:47
I'm not building International season.
38:54
Okay. Well, guess I'm uh stories.
38:55
Okay. Warriors of us towards the date
38:58
or is gay Guy. Yeah.
39:03
Earth shock snake dance. From TS that's for already shit.
39:14
Case managers on a we won't quite gritty.
39:17
You can quite revelation of the Daleks and ghost-like Mal.
39:25
What a season. There's not much light in there.
39:28
They're quite waiting. That's the way to the zoo.
39:36
A little bit of light. We're so glad she has to go.
39:41
But where is she going gone. I don't know what job you're
39:46
seven remembrance of the Daleks. Okay, that's your opener is me,
39:51
open. I thank you, Paul.
39:55
And then I go visitation. Okay, ghost Oracle, we do sorted
40:00
in the series. Visitation, I do other
40:02
visitation, it's very simple. Oh, she's a member of the Dalek
40:06
story. Gave one in, then you go
40:08
history, right around a forest. And now, let's go somewhere in
40:10
the future. So, then Yeah, maybe Frontier
40:14
such let me good one, then Frontiers and then we need to go
40:19
sort of back to Earth again, somewhere.
40:21
And that sort of that, that's your midseason sort of slump, or
40:24
maybe I do Arc of Infinity coming back Battlefield.
40:39
Very good, two more, two more. You're living up to your finale.
40:43
Now, So sort of like you got building up then have curse of
40:49
fenric. Yes.
40:50
About telling about him in last night and then your big finale
40:53
story would be something. Like, how's it going to finish?
41:01
And we're gonna finish the season.
41:03
Then the Daleks we come back revelation of the Daleks, oh, I
41:06
can't do very quickly and alternative 7, because this is
41:09
gonna be my Camp season, you ready?
41:12
Yeah. So we're going to start with me.
41:13
Laughs. Yeah, and then next up we're
41:16
going to have four to Doomsday has by Zeus season so far.
41:22
Yeah. All right.
41:23
Why do you say? It's going to be great.
41:25
We're going to follow that up. With what's really camping?
41:28
Season 20. No, not really much as their
41:33
Camp. Okay, we're going to go straight
41:35
into time. Lash followed boy, top of the
41:39
Ronnie follow boy. Dealt with abandonment.
41:46
Followed by happiness Patrol and finally silver Nemesis amazing.
41:53
Okay, that's a good question, Fraser, I didn't really
41:55
structure mine into a season. You did better with a structure
41:58
of the seasons and will do Darren lit roundels.
42:02
Darren witch doctor would you choose to have an extra season
42:06
and why Conley Baker? Yeah, for sure it's got to well
42:10
that, you know, kind of make had as many stories as first McCoy.
42:13
I just feel like it's first required, a better Innings,
42:15
that's all. All.
42:16
But yeah, they had they had exactly the same amount of
42:18
individual stories. Yeah.
42:24
Trying to find some other ways, you can call me back up.
42:27
What? I've had more running time, you
42:28
know, because he had more for partners.
42:33
Yeah. 42 to 45 minutes, are we done?
42:40
I'm just trying to see. There are some sort of duplicate
42:43
your questions. I'm trying to keep people inside
42:45
the bigger. They are the master and I can't
42:48
line computer actually. Oh well then I'm going to ask
42:53
you a few questions about the 80s if you don't mind.
42:57
Sure. What is the finest comedy moment
42:59
of the 80s comedy moment. Yeah, Yeah.
43:07
And why is it Patrick pretending to fallen off his bike and look
43:10
up Alice? I don't think he's come, buddy.
43:38
Nothing in the Davison time. Really?
43:40
Is it? It's all a bit.
43:42
Yeah. And then always post, maybe
43:44
revelation of the Daleks are some good comedy.
43:46
As I suppose, if, in the terms of Bob dark comedy, I suppose,
43:50
and they're always kissing, but not by you.
43:55
I love a woman who plays hard to get.
43:57
Well, then you'll love me to death who's supposed to react
43:59
early eighties, then. G Alpha.
44:02
Yeah, EZ G up has the worst. Well pennant Roberts did worries
44:08
the deed and time lash. How did he determine what?
44:12
I guess I would have got better. He went he did Black Orchid and
44:19
then time flight an arc of infinity started real bad but
44:25
then he did Frontier and Venison baras and mine warp.
44:29
And so I think his Direction gets Better as it goes along.
44:32
Peter morphe, although I don't want lose him.
44:34
A call coming after me. She loves peeing with it.
44:37
But then you know what? He's inoffensive.
44:39
We say people fit. Do you like the two doctors?
44:42
I like the two doctors. I like the five doctors.
44:44
You like the visitation? Yeah.
44:47
She like more than I did. Yeah, that's dumb.
44:50
So, we like all of his stories and I just as dynamic as they
44:53
could have, been, you know, who's the best villain of the
44:56
80s and why is it Look at these microbes, they're evolving, even
45:04
as I speak. Now that is another cherished.
45:07
Jack is pretty good. Ultimate villain.
45:14
You think our chefs? The question of the 80s, very
45:16
good. Yeah, I so I'm going to say,
45:18
what are you going to agree with me?
45:19
Well, I've got to go somewhere where people know how to be
45:23
happy where they know how to control themselves.
45:33
Where there was no compassion where this control is great.
45:38
The candy man? I love the candy, manly, Candy
45:40
Kitchen but this thing loves. That's the one story that
45:47
everyone loves your most out of sync with.
45:50
Yeah. Okay.
45:53
Well then I'm going to round this up with a little game.
45:58
I like to call described in one word.
46:00
It's okay, you ready? Mmm, okay, so I'm going to pick
46:03
random stories from the 80s and then you've got a scratch the
46:07
bottom where you can do that to me with characters and villains
46:12
and things. All right, so the Leisure hive
46:16
Boring. Okay.
46:19
For trial could melka. Is that good?
46:24
I thought it was his first word that came into my head.
46:26
Fair enough. Okay?
46:28
Castro. Valvo Tardis.
46:32
Corridors you love them. Don't you in okay?
46:36
- yeah. Violent, the king of demons.
46:45
Chameleon. Hey, y'all comedian?
46:48
I love comedian. I really do.
46:50
Do you really wish you'd been in a bit more?
46:53
Kill me. I eat always just sort of
46:55
propped up against the Tardis console and he moved his head a
46:58
little bit and said, a few lines the beginning and end of each
47:00
story, I think that would have been great like a bit of a
47:03
canine. The Awakening of what's her
47:08
name? I'll probably James.
47:10
What does she keep saying? Who's the guy that she keeps
47:12
saying the name? Oh oh, come on, baby.
47:15
Ben. Hey, ya been They wakening is
47:28
when taken runs off upset. She has a bag, and she's puts on
47:31
a fat, that's in. Someone's excited.
47:34
So Gramps, I love the fact that we may have like a grandfather.
47:40
I guess one lawyer today. Next time you drop by, give us a
47:44
bit of Wounded Warrior. That's his whole thing wakening,
47:48
actually, you like it. Lots of people, like, I think
47:51
it's It's missing a lot from having no proper setup.
47:58
I think and Charles search for the characters.
48:00
It's just a lot of set pieces for the way you like it looks
48:03
good though. Okay, one from Season 22.
48:07
So I'm going to choose Mark of the Rani.
48:15
I'm not a fan of that one much either.
48:17
Do you ever see Luke walls package though?
48:19
Do you always talk about that huge?
48:22
Well, I didn't notice it till peel a point.
48:23
Now, mindwarp complicated, as very cold.
48:31
It's so this is. Here's an example.
48:33
This is bad 80s, running, whoever it was producer, script
48:36
editor director, you say, Ron Jones, why can anybody explain
48:40
the script to Colin Baker about playing, what all they did, you
48:43
know what I mean? You know where they did it?
48:44
They do it when it was doing the carpentry years later with
48:47
Philip, Martin filling, Martin explained know.
48:49
The reason why you're acting out of character isn't because the
48:53
Matrix is lying or the doctors pretending to be evil.
48:56
Is neither one of those reasons is because the brain equipment
49:02
that they put him in at the end of episode one, you know, where
49:04
you're going around. Sort of girding on camera,
49:07
that's just been on King. You can toss it leaves, a print
49:10
of the previous brain. So he had a print of your
49:14
Carlos's. Rain on top of his brain, which
49:16
is why he's behaving sort of violently and out of character.
49:19
Well, it see, why isn't because they won't exist.
49:24
Example, though, in terms of everything else.
49:26
John nathan-turner is great at doing all of that and it started
49:28
to use job to explain the script to Colin Baker, really?
49:31
Whoever it was someone's kept their eye off it.
49:35
Yeah, this is where those details are really important
49:38
because then you get that dislikable keratin what the
49:41
audience supposed to think if they don't know what's going on,
49:44
how Do we care about what's happening as a bit more than one
49:48
word about my walk? But well you know, that's an
49:50
example of sort of where the 80s went a little bit wrong around
49:53
that time. I can't think of any other time
49:57
and I 60s 70s, where you get things like that, where it's
50:00
like well we didn't know it was you know again Terrance dicks or
50:02
Barry Letts would never have been like well we don't know
50:05
exactly know what's going on ask Barry let you know all those
50:08
countries very that's can explain every little my new
50:11
decision and detail and bit of the script and everything that
50:16
went on why that's happening or why we did that very less is a
50:20
man of great integrity as if I think it was some of those 80s
50:23
production team. They'd be like Like well we just
50:25
don't have enough time or it was just you know we're just up
50:28
against them. We just did it anyway.
50:30
You know I feel like it's a bit like that.
50:32
I'm glad you weren't a fan in the 80s.
50:33
You know, I know you imagine if I would happy if you are also
50:37
saying that I like all of them to there's not anything I know
50:40
so I just meant it might have been you in that production
50:43
office with the Timeless script under the desk, you're very
50:46
pretty when you were younger, you are by Gary Downey, siding
50:49
up to you saying, hey, Fred tearing out, That sure that
50:55
convention. Did I man from energetic?
51:06
Oh. Yeah, silver nemesis.
51:15
We surely do honey we surely do, I'm going to ask you some
51:21
descriptive the corner okay I'm just going to quote you know
51:27
that right well okay the valley add and if it does I shall ask
51:35
this court to take your life is fabulous.
51:39
I think Michael Jason is a very bizarre man with some very
51:42
interesting views. Conventions.
51:45
But boy, he gave a brilliant performance.
51:48
He almost single-handedly lifted That season way higher than it
51:53
has any right to be. I think he's brilliant, I think
51:56
him Lynda, Bellingham and Colin Baker, in those courtroom
52:00
scenes, I mean, they would be in fucking interminable if he
52:03
wasn't there. The Watcher really interesting
52:08
idea, really, and I think those sequences like where you see him
52:11
on the bridge just as sort of Spector and Tom Baker looks
52:15
Slightly haunted after being so in control for six years.
52:20
Interesting really fascinating concept of a sort of in between.
52:24
Is it a regeneration or is it just a portent of the future?
52:27
Is it ever explained properly? I think I think that's part of
52:30
the charm Terror, alert tools, the animatronics were good for
52:39
the time, but the whole thing just looks really clunky.
52:42
I don't think we really quite get under the skin of the terror
52:46
lips also having their very successful.
52:49
The Ronnie is care Amara of. It's just fucking Sublime that
52:54
they are taking dimensions in time where she goes.
52:58
Can you to be a little less Camp k?
52:59
There's can't she just look straight to the camera and goes.
53:02
What show am I working on? Like she's amazing and she's
53:06
amazing when she's playing it straight in tire.
53:08
Mark of the Rani and she's even more glorious and time with her
53:13
on it where she's camping out Let's get some lunch with it's
53:17
brilliant. I think there is some sort of
53:19
garon over-the-top showman role, Jago that arise so well, Tony,
53:25
Selby perfect casting he could have come back more.
53:28
As far as I'm concerned, she's cd0, the friends signed Greg,
53:35
but that Noble history lies behind me, but ahead, lies of
53:39
it, which basically server isn't, she but surveillance
53:43
fucking amazing. I'm so kind of my everything
53:46
your name and you're making me think.
53:48
The 80s was the best ERA if I keep going and droog.
53:54
Oh yeah, to bring me back down to earth.
53:55
Didn't you Josie that claymation thing of a Drake Landing on the
53:59
earth and the dinosaurian him about the boy that time.
54:02
Forgot the big finish audio where he's King of the crab
54:04
people. So defensiveness sir.
54:06
Did he didn't? He say that always like to and
54:09
try to get her as a mom? I don't want no adric is a good
54:14
idea. The idea of The Artful Dodger
54:16
character, all it needed was a Charming decent actor.
54:20
Unfortunately, we got a young Matthew Waterhouse before he
54:23
knew has marked The Keeper of the Rockland.
54:28
Oh, it's tennis. Carry is Professor crew?
54:30
Notice literally a fly. Got in Honey.
54:35
Yeah, give her chocolate. It's lovely.
54:38
Lovely. So I can see what you like is so
54:39
much booty bamburgh to quote someone else.
54:44
We know Queen, she's amazing. She is amazed that she should
54:48
have rebuttal. If it we were 90s, who the bad
54:51
Berra was called seabird seabed one.
54:54
See both one series. It just shows you how great she
54:56
could have been The dragon in dragon fire.
55:02
It's a brilliant idea. Again like, yeah, let's lose the
55:06
visuals. It's such a great idea that this
55:09
thing that's keeping him. There is the thing that's
55:11
holding the thing that will say I'm free.
55:13
It's a proper like, fairytale idea of But it does look.
55:19
Terrible is top heavy, isn't it? So it looks absurd, social that
55:24
cute little girls waving our hanky at it night today's gold.
55:32
It's if you've finished
55:56
We can't unlearn knowledge. Think of Galileo, it's fucking
56:00
honor Blackman. She's amazing.
56:03
Okay, we've got, we've got three minutes to just do one more mr.
56:06
Bell, you've called me, I would rather run away with my mother
56:13
and Nona fawning little creep like you.
56:16
Oh, I mean you know what? Best one for me.
56:20
Are you picking your nose? It's in terms of like core
56:24
tasks. In that season, he's my most
56:26
grotesque characters. Let's hope it's a shame that it
56:29
wasn't made of rock know, it would take a mountain to crush
56:32
an ego like yours. One more, one more for Marcy.
56:37
No. Oh my God!
56:39
There's two are the traitors your mentioned for Marcy.
56:47
Well, It's nice that they're not made in cyberspace and that
56:51
they're made out of lovely green Fabrics, but they do look a bit
56:53
faked and I'm doing husband did say don't give him a close up,
56:56
you know. Okay.
56:58
Before we out, let's, let's have a little celebration of the 80s.
57:04
What do you think is the best thing to come out of 80s Doctor
57:07
Who I'm in the individual story? What's the best thing to come
57:09
out of these Doctor? Who I think I've got a, I think
57:12
I've got an answer. The best things in terms of
57:21
characters, I want to say case and all of the stuff Andrew
57:25
cartmel did the doctor in a Cyrus, just say something quite
57:30
similar because I think it was the first time a companion was
57:33
examined. Yeah.
57:34
In that way. And it led on to see the new
57:36
adventures doing it an extreme way better than the new series
57:39
doing it in a really fantastic way.
57:42
Yeah. And in for purely personal
57:44
reasons, Place. But no, I mean, I'm being
57:49
genuine now, for purely personal reasons, it's Colin, Baker's
57:52
doctor because when I was growing up, I needed a bit of a
57:56
hero figure and, you know, no look at me like that.
57:59
But Colin, Baker, genuinely. I got that trial of a Time Lord
58:02
box set at a very difficult time.
58:04
When my dad was going to prison, my mom and dad were getting
58:07
divorced. My sister was off the rails.
58:08
I'll hide us whole season of Doctor Who to watch over and
58:11
over again with this big bold, bright hero and He is still my
58:16
favorite doctor of all the doctors because at that point I
58:20
needed a hero in my life and it was one of Time Lord childhood I
58:23
was supposed to say stuff. No, it's okay.
58:28
I was absolutely obsessed with that.
58:30
Season are still love that season.
58:32
I can see all of its flaws, but it was sort of there for me a
58:35
time when I needed it. So yeah, although I do genuinely
58:39
think the best thing to come out of the 80s is the Latter-Day
58:41
characterization and and okay, we've got a minute and a half.
58:46
The best story of the 80s. Oh my god.
58:49
Oh, I'm just gonna go five. Doctors, that's just because it
58:52
was a great celebration and fun and just did everything that you
58:57
want. It said we're going to do
58:58
minute, just fail, going to be bold and say, I think the best
59:01
story to come out of the 80s and Eric's award story.
59:05
It's revelation of the Daleks. I mean, I do love that story.
59:08
I mean, we've been so harsh on every say a word, but he had did
59:11
write some good stuff as well. That is pushing the show in very
59:15
Mature. Very dark, very calming if only
59:19
all of iterations? Yeah, that I over if so harsh on
59:23
him because actually he has done some really good stuff and you
59:26
just wish it had been all like that.
59:28
We lament the fact that he was sent off.
59:32
You said, you know, you probably want a holiday instead of doing
59:34
the scripts, but J and T when going on a day and right
59:36
Revelation, a Daleks and look what happened, but I don't know
59:39
if it was all like that. I mean, there are some people
59:41
that don't like revelation of the Daleks don't like that tone.
59:44
So, But I personally I do like that tone in.
59:49
So we'll say Eric's award you're a bit shit but you could we do
59:52
love him anyway.