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The Encounter That Almost Got Scott Payne Killed(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: So it's the night before. I get there, and they're
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  Speaker 1: having church. They're still having church. I'm banging on the door,
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  Speaker 1: and it's weird, man. Nobody's coming, and all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden Joe Dawgs does that, you know, like, hey, we're
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  Speaker 1: not ready yet. And I'm like, well, why'd you call
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  Speaker 1: me over here? Yeah. I'm not thinking nothing. I go.
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  Speaker 1: He tells me to take a probate, which would be
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  Speaker 1: somebody on probation, or they call them prospects. You're not
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  Speaker 1: a full-patch member yet. You've advanced from hang-around status. You're
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  Speaker 1: trying to become a full-patch member. So he says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: take probate, Obie. Y'all go get something to eat. So
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  Speaker 1: we went down to the restaurant, got a couple of drinks,
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  Speaker 1: something to eat, came back. And I go into the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 1: And when I go in the clubhouse, I've been in
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  Speaker 1: that thing like umpteen times. I don't know. There's one
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  Speaker 1: door I've never been in. Now, for the listeners that
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  Speaker 1: may not know, at least with this chapter, if you
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  Speaker 1: weren't a patch member, which I wasn't, you're not allowed
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  Speaker 1: to touch the door. You're not allowed to touch the phone.
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  Speaker 1: But they're giving you drinks for free, right? I had
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  Speaker 1: been asked, actually been told that I need to become
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  Speaker 1: an outlaw. Um, but I painted it as like, I
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  Speaker 1: travel all over the country, man. I can't have that right.
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  Speaker 1: That bullseye on my back, you know, but I'm very
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  Speaker 1: humbled by it kind of thing. Um, but so I'll
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  Speaker 1: go in there and at this point in the case,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a year and a half, I'm a year
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  Speaker 1: and a half in. And My closest relationship is Scott town.
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  Speaker 1: My second closest relationship is that point is the enforcer
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  Speaker 1: who goes by, who went by the street name clothesline.
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  Speaker 1: His real name is Brian De La Vega. So that
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  Speaker 1: was my second closest relationship. My third closest was the president,
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  Speaker 1: Joe dogs. And then it just trickled down from there.
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  Speaker 1: But by this time I've been all over the country.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to Sturgis. I've been to, you know, Daytona,
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  Speaker 1: wherever riding all over the place. So I've met outlaws
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  Speaker 1: all over. Actually, I've met outlaws from all over the world. And,
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  Speaker 1: they were actually recruiting myself and Scott Town because I
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  Speaker 1: was bigger then too. But it's, Boston's a little weird
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  Speaker 1: because Boston and North is Hells Angel territory. Boston and
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  Speaker 1: South was Outlaws territory and they were arch rivals. And
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  Speaker 1: then you get to Cape Cod and Hells Angels had
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  Speaker 1: a chapter there. Got it. So the Outlaws were looking
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  Speaker 1: to set up a chapter in Cape Cod, but they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to, fill it with big, strong dudes that can
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  Speaker 1: handle themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And they were recruiting, recruiting us for that, you know? Um, so, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I go into the clubhouse, door shuts behind me, uh,
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  Speaker 1: dead bolts, uh, steel frame door. The door you'd never
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  Speaker 1: been in. No, no, no. This is, this is just
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  Speaker 1: the entry door. Got it. Right. So if you, if
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  Speaker 1: you get inside, you'll see that they've mel, uh, welded
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  Speaker 1: metal hooks to the steel frame of the door and
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  Speaker 1: put a steel bar across it. So that's going to,
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  Speaker 1: From a breacher standpoint, it's going to be a little harder.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be tougher to breach. Got it. So I'm in there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm having some drinks. And I'd been there, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: maybe 20 times. Who knows? There's one door I'd never
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  Speaker 1: been in. And clothesline, my second closest friend, says... He's
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  Speaker 1: not a friend, right? Friend. He liked Scott Calloway. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he liked Scott Payne too much. But he says...
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  Speaker 1: hey Tex, can I talk to you for a minute?
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  Speaker 1: Or he says, do you got a minute? Either can
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  Speaker 1: I talk to you for a minute or you got
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  Speaker 1: a minute? I'm like, yeah. So as I'm walking, he
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  Speaker 1: grabs an ashtray and a lighter and, or he tells
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  Speaker 1: somebody to, and we turn in and it is a
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  Speaker 1: very tight stairwell. It's a very, to call it a
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  Speaker 1: basement down there is being very generous, more like a cellar,
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  Speaker 1: crawl space. I couldn't stand up straight in it, but
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  Speaker 1: it's a Northeastern home kind of split level. And, As
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  Speaker 1: I'm walking in, Chocolate Scott, another member, comes in right
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  Speaker 1: behind me. Chocolate Scott? Yeah, Chocolate Scott. Chocolate Scott, Choc, Choc,
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  Speaker 1: Chocolate Scott. Yeah, they call him Chocolate Scott or Black Scott.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, he looked like a black guy,
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  Speaker 1: which you can't be in the Outlaws. Oh, yeah. You
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  Speaker 1: can't be. I'm guessing. I was assuming he looked like one.
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  Speaker 1: He said he was Indians, but they named him Chocolate Scott. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That would be my name. Yeah, so as soon as
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  Speaker 1: I turn in behind him, clothesline and chocolate scott comes
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  Speaker 1: in right behind me i know something's not right and
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  Speaker 1: now it's really tight and you get down there it
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit of a false start because there
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  Speaker 1: was something down there that that another member of edge
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  Speaker 1: did not want me to see and they come down
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  Speaker 1: so going down those steps i'm already getting an adrenaline
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  Speaker 1: dump like i was talking about earlier right we come
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  Speaker 1: back up i'm not free to leave outlaws everywhere they're
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  Speaker 1: hiding whatever they needed to hide i'm not sure what
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  Speaker 1: it was but then it's like okay let's go back
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  Speaker 1: down So I get down there, and— So they take
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  Speaker 1: you halfway down, they take you back up? Yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: take me down. That would be weird. Oh, it's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like you're surprised, probably, but they're not ready. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because if Ed just walks down there, he's doing this—
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  Speaker 1: I see him doing a movement that's like, hey, get out.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know what's going on, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm looking for plastic on the floor. I
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  Speaker 1: saw a rope, and I'm like, oh, great. You saw
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  Speaker 1: a rope? Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, oh, man. And
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  Speaker 1: you've got to be thinking, I'm getting out of here then. No,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't. What did you think they were going to do?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know yet, but... But even if you saw
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  Speaker 1: a rope... Even if I tried to leave, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: think about it. Like, if I see a rope at all,
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  Speaker 1: I never see a rope, right? Because I'm... 13 outlaws,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm... And they got guns. They already showed me
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  Speaker 1: their guns. Oh, got it. Yeah, so I'm basically at gunpoint,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Okay. So I go back up, and we
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  Speaker 1: walk back down, and that's when we get down there,
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  Speaker 1: and clothesline says, hey, there's a lot of shit going on.
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  Speaker 1: It's my job to take care of my brothers, because
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  Speaker 1: he's the enforcer. Mm-hmm. And he says, I need you
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  Speaker 1: to take all your clothes off, everything, boots and everything.
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  Speaker 1: And would you have on boots or sneakers? I had boots.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, I need you to write down your
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  Speaker 1: full name, your date of birth, your address, your wife's name.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, I'm not going to ask for your kids' names,
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  Speaker 1: even though I can find them out if I need to.
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, everything, Social Security, everything. I said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but you can hear my voice already because I'm having
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  Speaker 1: an adrenaline dump. My voice is higher. My throat's tighter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hearing that underwater auditory exclusion. It's going woof, woof, woof. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I would be so scared. My time dilation, my eyes
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  Speaker 1: are clicking. Everything I'm hearing is going, I need you
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  Speaker 1: to write down your, that's what I'm hearing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like on one of those boxing video games when
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  Speaker 2: you're about to get knocked out or whatever and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: and it starts to get kind of blurry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And did you write your real stuff on there? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know? No, no, no, I didn't. I didn't,
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  Speaker 1: but I forgot my middle name because of the stress.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot my middle name was- Andrew. Did you just
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  Speaker 1: make one up? No. No, I should have. That would
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  Speaker 1: have been a smart thing to do. But then again,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not if they were really going to run it. Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm going Scott Calloway, Scott Calloway, Scott Calloway,
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  Speaker 1: and I go Scott Joseph Calloway, and I'm like, nope,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going through this Rolodex in my head. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like it's eight minutes. It's a couple of seconds. And
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  Speaker 1: then I remembered my initials, and I remembered, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Scott Andrew Calloway. But what I did is, like when
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  Speaker 1: we talked about shootings and stuff and officers not knowing
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  Speaker 1: that that they did it certain things that same thing
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  Speaker 1: happened to me but it was on a verbal thing
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  Speaker 1: i would have never known i said this unless i
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  Speaker 1: didn't listen to the recording uh unless i listened to
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  Speaker 1: the recording but while i'm forgetting my middle name i
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  Speaker 1: turn and i go and what else do you need
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  Speaker 1: but it sounds like this and what else do you
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  Speaker 1: need because i'm i'm freaking out all right my my
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  Speaker 1: yeah my diction's terrible talking through my nose higher pitch
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  Speaker 1: voice And then I hear them yell, what do you
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  Speaker 1: need for that website? And I go, okay, because I'm listening.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still listening, even though I'm freaking out. I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to write this down. They're going to run me.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to Google me. And back then they had
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  Speaker 1: like a whosarat.com you could go to and run. Were
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  Speaker 1: you on there? No, no. But I said, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: feeling better. Feet Finder they had too. Yeah, right. So
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  Speaker 1: then he says, and then I need you to take
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  Speaker 1: all your clothes off, everything. Oh, damn, they want you
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  Speaker 1: on Feet Finder. He says, because I got to check
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  Speaker 1: you for a wire. Here's the issue, Theo. I was
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  Speaker 1: wired to the hilt. Nuh-uh. I had two recording devices
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  Speaker 1: on me and a transmitter. And I won't say where, what, but. Fuck,
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  Speaker 1: use a damn iPhone at that point. Yeah, well, back then. No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you were one. Yeah, yes. I mean, all
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  Speaker 1: that shit you had on you. And back then, that
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  Speaker 1: would have been like circa 2006-ish, 7-ish. They were big
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  Speaker 1: on Nextels. So, you know. I know, yeah. Great radio. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But terrible to call somebody on. Yeah. Bring some milk on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I could key you up in Japan and it'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, you know, fine. But if I tried
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  Speaker 1: to call you, we couldn't hear nothing. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It sounded Japanese. Yeah, I'm like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. So damn, so they trying
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  Speaker 1: to strip search you? They did. And were you wearing
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  Speaker 1: underpants or boxers, you think? Boxer briefs. Nice. Yeah. The
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  Speaker 1: comfort of a boxer, but the support of a brief. Yeah. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I got them on right now. I do, too. Pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: And much like that night, they're not white, which I
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  Speaker 1: was happy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, if you'd have sold
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  Speaker 1: them up. Sold them up, yeah. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: A little of that back bay chowder. I do. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I tell them, I say. So were you joking at
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  Speaker 1: this point, or were you scared? No, I was scared
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  Speaker 1: to death. I was scared. I joke about it now,
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  Speaker 1: but I was scared of that. So you took your
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  Speaker 1: clothes off. So what I did is I took, I
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  Speaker 1: took my coat and it was cold. Cause it was
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  Speaker 1: like November. So I probably had like more than one
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  Speaker 1: t-shirt on, took all that off, took my boots off
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  Speaker 1: and I dropped my underwear and jeans down to my ankles.
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  Speaker 1: I never kicked them off. So from the ankles up,
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  Speaker 1: I'm completely naked. They checked me for a wire. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he missed one thing that was, that was, I had
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  Speaker 1: in my sock. It was a device, but you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: So I go, he pats me down, and I'm having
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  Speaker 1: an adrenaline dump, right? Everything's slow motion. I can feel
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  Speaker 1: my heart beating. My man parts felt like they were
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  Speaker 1: in my throat, you know?
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  Speaker 2: And are they calling you f * * * it
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  Speaker 2: or anything?
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  Speaker 1: Are they calling you names and shit?
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 1: But during the talk, that's a good question because we,
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  Speaker 1: at least the way I was trained, You just don't
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  Speaker 1: want to vapor lock. You don't want to get the
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  Speaker 1: deer in the headlights. At least keep talking. At least
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  Speaker 1: keep trying to find something. Right. Find a way out.
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  Speaker 1: Get some information. What are you doing, guys? What's this about?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I go, should I ask what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, hey, man, this is some precautions, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: And what he says to me, he goes, trust me, man.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, I like you a lot. He goes, but
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  Speaker 1: I've got my doubts, too. He said, if somebody accused
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  Speaker 1: me of being a fed, I'd probably smash them in
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  Speaker 1: the effing mouth. And I said, I'm not. I looked
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  Speaker 1: at him. I said, I'm not happy. And he goes,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be either. But what you can't see is
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  Speaker 1: because we know each other. Even though my words may
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  Speaker 1: be saying one thing, what my face is saying in
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  Speaker 1: the clothesline is, tell me I'm okay. Tell me I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be all right. His facial expressions back to
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  Speaker 1: me were, it's okay. But I was, in fact, undercover,
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  Speaker 1: and I was wired. And if he found it, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. So I pull my
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  Speaker 1: pants back up. I think I'm putting my boots on.
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  Speaker 1: And he grabs a piece of clothing. And it had
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  Speaker 1: something in it. And he says, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: find anything in here I don't. want to like some
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  Speaker 1: pictures of my old lady and he laughs and he goes,
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  Speaker 1: and I go, I hope not. Now I'm standing there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't stand up straight. I'm on the wall and
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching him need this piece of clothing with his hands.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing this. And I know circa that year, what
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  Speaker 1: our equipment was and all that stuff. If he would
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  Speaker 1: have felt it now, uh, he misses it. He looks
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  Speaker 1: right at it. He misses it. And even while he's
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  Speaker 1: searching it, I don't know I'd do it, but you
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  Speaker 1: can hear me because I'm just standing there and you
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  Speaker 1: can hear me go. Because I'm like, what am I
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  Speaker 1: going to do?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. He misses it. He hands me
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  Speaker 1: back my stuff. I immediately go into joking because that's
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  Speaker 1: not only me. It's also a defense mechanism when you're scared. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Been joking my whole life. I'm cracking jokes like I said.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't wear white underwear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know. And we go back in the business. You
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: just keep saying that. Glennon didn't wear a wedding. You
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: just keep glitching. Yeah, I know, right? Glennon didn't wear
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  Speaker 1: a wedding. And it's like, what the fuck? What's wrong
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  Speaker 1: with him? He's a robot. Yeah, yeah. Bring in Choco
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  Speaker 1: Stain or whatever that guy's name was. Chocolate Scott. Chocolate Scott.
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  Speaker 1: So people always ask me, what would you have said
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  Speaker 1: if Clothesline would have found it? And I say, well,
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  Speaker 1: I remember it like it was yesterday. It also helps
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  Speaker 1: that I teach it all over the place and I
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  Speaker 1: still relive it all the daggum time. Um, so there's
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  Speaker 1: really little air room for air there as far as
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  Speaker 1: exaggerating and stuff. So I, uh, or remembering it wrong. I,
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  Speaker 1: I said, man, I remember it like it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe my first response would have been, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: some pictures. If he said, what is this? Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: would have said, I don't know. Some pictures of your
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  Speaker 1: old lady as a joke, because he already threw that
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  Speaker 1: line to me. You know, am I going to find
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  Speaker 1: anything in here? Uh, the only other thing that I
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  Speaker 1: had in my head. And again, I remember like it
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  Speaker 1: was yesterday. I would have looked at him and said,
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: The gig is up. I'm an undercover FBI agent and
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  Speaker 1: we can I can walk out of here and we
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  Speaker 1: can see each other in court or all hell is
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  Speaker 1: going to break loose. The problem is, is that would
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  Speaker 1: have been a bluff on my part, because as far
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  Speaker 1: as I knew, every time I'd been in that clubhouse,
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  Speaker 1: my cover team couldn't hear me, whether it's equipment, walls, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's 2026 and I've got first net and
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  Speaker 1: I can walk into a building and I can't get out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, oh, so it's above my
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  Speaker 1: pay grade. But for as far as I knew. I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe they kept sending you in there. Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they had surveillance, you know. Right, right, right. But as
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  Speaker 1: far as I knew, they can never hear me. That night,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the shift, you know, you go
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  Speaker 1: meet somewhere at a predetermined location, and I'm turning over
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  Speaker 1: my recording equipment to the case team and whatever. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they're giving me more money for the next day or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And they do a debrief. Well, when I got there
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: that night, what I found out was is that the
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: first two guys covering me, were part of the main
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  Speaker 1: case team. It was Sergeant Higginbottom from Massachusetts State Troopers.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody called him Higgy. And then Detective Cummings from Brockton PD.
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  Speaker 1: And because they had known me for a year and
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  Speaker 1: a half or a little more, whatever happened at that
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  Speaker 1: first interaction with Joe Dawgs at the door, it made
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  Speaker 1: them think something was up. And they had pulled close
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  Speaker 1: enough or whatever, they were able to hear everything. When
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  Speaker 1: they heard me getting stripped, Um, of course they can
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  Speaker 1: hear that I'm scared cause they know my voice, right?
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  Speaker 1: They're radioing back to Boston saying, Hey, anybody now get
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  Speaker 1: down here. And as far as the way I was
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: told is everybody was coming blue lights and siren, um,
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: down there. Uh, and, and they didn't hit it. They,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: they went ahead and they had a plan because they've
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: been in that clubhouse on, on other law enforcement activity
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: and they know how it's set up and they knew
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: how that door was fortified. So their plan, they, they
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: put their vest on everything and their plan was if
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: they felt like it was time to pull the trigger
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: to save me or whatever. They were going to drive
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: the van into the cinder block wall beside the door
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: to kind of breach the wall.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: So you're standing there. That's what you're thinking. If he
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: knows what's going on, those are your two plans of action.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: And they're out there waiting on you.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: And your case team is out there listening and there's
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: help on the way.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. Okay. Because clothesline didn't find it. And also because
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: that case team, Higginbottom and Cummings, they knew me. And
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: they didn't pull the trigger. They were like, hang on.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: He's still okay. He's still okay. Got it. So we
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: go out that night. What? And it's me, Joe Dawgs,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: and Scott Town, and I am livid. I'm raising hell.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: You know? And even Joe Dawgs is like, Tex, you
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: got to understand. This has happened to other brothers, other
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: people where everybody shows up and it's just, you know,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: we're the only people there and everybody else is an undercover.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: You know, and I played it off. I'm like, who
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the hell would spend that kind of time and money
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: and try to, you know. Yeah, for sure. Besides us,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: you know, besides me. But I go back. I probably
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: sleep maybe 30 minutes at night. I go and meet everybody.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: I think it was outside of IHOP. I hand out
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the radios and I tell them where we're going to go.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: And it's pretty comical on recording because I say, all right,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: we're going back up to the Westgate Mall in Brockton.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: And Chocolate Scott starts bitching. He goes, man, I live
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: right next to there. I could have slept another 40 minutes. Oh, yeah.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: And Joe Dogg starts, he goes, you guys are the lazy,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: he goes, you guys, let me get it right. Yeah.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: He goes, you guys are the laziest bunch of damn
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: criminals I've ever met in my entire life, you know?
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm even busting his, I'll go, hey, I thought
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I left my wife at home. Can you stop complaining,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: you know? Chocolate Scott. Yeah, yeah. So we go, we
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: do the deal. One truck pulls up. It's fake drugs? No,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: it's real. It's real drugs. So, I mean, they're smelling
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: the weed. You almost have a good budget up there then. Well,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know where the case team got it. It's
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: probably evidence from another case. Got it. And it gets
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: signed out. But can you imagine if we lost that?
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: FBI loses 50 kilos of cocaine. Are you kidding me? So, yeah,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: snipers are up and everything. So, the truck's back up.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: The undercover's, Joe Dogg's on the truck. OB's on the truck.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: We're covering stuff. They're pulling surveillance, you know, and just
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: like normal surveillance. I mean, they got people. I've been burnt.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I've been burnt. There's a guy staring at me. Calm down, dude.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: You know, and if a cop shows up, let us know.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to pull the trucks away. And we pulled
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: off the deal. And then I went and paid everybody.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So y'all did the deal. Yeah, it went. It went across.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: They got to meet Manny. Joe Dawgs wanted to meet Manny, who,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: of course, was an undercover. But he is a Hispanic
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: guy that did all kinds of cartel stuff. Shout out Manny. Yeah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Shout out Manny, man. Martin Suarez. He's actually got a
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: book out, too. Oh, wow. Got to check it out.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Martin Suarez. Martin Suarez. You do the deal. Yeah. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: this is, we get up the next day. And like
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I said, we do the deal. And then that night,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: maybe I slept a little bit, you know. I'm going
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: to need a massage after all this. I know, right?
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: And then I fly home and I miss my flights.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: They're delayed, canceled, whatever. And then I go home to— when
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I landed in McAllen, I drove straight to the house.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I brushed my teeth, changed my shirt, loaded up my daughters,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: my wife, and my mother-in-law, and we went to the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Rio Grande Valley FBI Christmas party for Laredo, Brownsville, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: McAllen offices. And I was Santa Claus for the kids
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: after being stripped in a basement at gunpoint about two
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: nights earlier. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't stop.