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Credlin | 8 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good Eve, being great to have your company. Here's what's
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Speaker 2: coming up on the show tonight.
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Speaker 3: Calls for a.
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Speaker 2: Serious reconsideration of visas as social cohesion phrase around issues
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East and the oben Easy government remains
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Speaker 2: slow to act against visitors to this country who preach
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Speaker 2: a hate Yet again, Labor looks set to overshoot its
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Speaker 2: own migration targets, potentially by as much as one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand putting paid to promises that wine back our record
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Speaker 2: high intake. Despite Australians continuing to struggle with housing, plus
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Speaker 2: opposition from legal experts, Labor looks set to try and
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Speaker 2: ram its so called misinformation legislation through the Parliament. I'll
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Speaker 2: speak with a senior lawyer about this bill. He says,
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Speaker 2: it opens a Pandora's box. Claims to from the Coalition
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Speaker 2: that it could see prison terms for ordinary people. And
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Speaker 2: it's been an extraordinary day in the Parliament with decades
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Speaker 2: of bipartisanship on Israel in tatters, the PM once again
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Speaker 2: trying to speak out of both sides of his mouth
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the atrocities of October seven.
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Speaker 4: What has happened over the last twelve months is something
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Speaker 4: that our country should be ashamed of the survivors of
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Speaker 4: the Holocaust for the first time in their lives in
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Speaker 4: our country, so that they feel unsafe here in the
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Speaker 4: current environment.
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Speaker 2: But first, there's something fundamentally wrong with the government that
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Speaker 2: could not pourt a simple resolution to the Parliament today
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Speaker 2: mourning the October seven dead demanding the release of hostages
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Speaker 2: and condemning the listed terror group hum Us for its atrocities.
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Speaker 2: Instead reflecting the ambivalence so the Labor Party now has
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Speaker 2: for Israel, the government insisted on including in its resolution
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Speaker 2: recognition of Palestinian civilians killed in Gaza, more humanitarian assistance
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Speaker 2: in Gaza in Lebanon, a ceasefire in Gaza and Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: and the need for a two state solution, even though
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Speaker 2: any Palestinian state right now, beit hmas hes Blah or
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Speaker 2: Palestinian authority control, would effectively be run by terrorists. The
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Speaker 2: idea of a parliamentary motion to condemn what occurred twelve
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Speaker 2: months ago came from Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 4: On Saturday, I wrote to the Prime Minister suggesting that
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Speaker 4: we should arrive at a bipartisan position and bring a
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Speaker 4: motion before the House to mark the anniversary of October seven.
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Speaker 4: This motion was supposed to be about October seven, about
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Speaker 4: the loss of human life. I proposed to the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister a motion which was balanced and objective, and I
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Speaker 4: appreciated the engagement with the Prime Minister when I met
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Speaker 4: with him this morning. Regrettably, we've not been able to
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Speaker 4: arrive at a position of bipartisanship in relation to this matter.
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Speaker 2: Look, if there's everything to me that it was Dune
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Speaker 2: that had to raise it with the government. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the government controls the program. You look ahead at the month,
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Speaker 2: you can see that this is one of the most
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Speaker 2: significant events in October. But still nothing was forthcoming. So
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Speaker 2: Dutton proposes it to the Prime Minister on Saturday, and
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Speaker 2: then it all falls in a heap. Peter Dutton was
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Speaker 2: dead right today to refuse to support a resolution that,
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Speaker 2: far from commiserating with Jewish people about the greatest slaughter
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Speaker 2: of juice into the Holocaust, it was full of more
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Speaker 2: bogus even handedness from a government that just can't decide
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Speaker 2: whose side it's on.
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Speaker 5: We also reiterate our call for an immediate cease firing Gaza.
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Speaker 5: The situation in Gaza is catastrophic and tens of thousands
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Speaker 5: of innocent lives have been lost.
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Speaker 4: But of course it goes beyond that, and it's an
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Speaker 4: extension of the way in which the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 4: conducted the debate in himself over the course of last
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Speaker 4: twelve months, trying to please all people in this debate.
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Speaker 2: This is a government that recognizes Israel's right to self
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Speaker 2: defense in theory, but not practice, because then he sees
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Speaker 2: fire or that would now leave Hamas in control of
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Speaker 2: Gaza and Hesblah effectively in control.
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Speaker 3: Of Lebanon, and it would mean leaving.
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Speaker 2: Israel exposed to more attacks like the October seven atrocity. Now,
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Speaker 2: it was Labour's greatest ever leader, Bob Hawk who rightly said,
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Speaker 2: if the bell tolds for Israel, it tolls for all mankind.
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Speaker 2: What's gone wrong with the Labor Party that it's now
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Speaker 2: even handed so called to him and handed between the
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Speaker 2: only liberal democracy in the Middle East and a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of listed terror groups pledged to Israel's uta and
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Speaker 2: total destruction.
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Speaker 4: There has been a position of bipartisanship on these issues,
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Speaker 4: and your predecessors would have had the decent see to
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Speaker 4: respect the Jewish community in a way that you have
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Speaker 4: not done today, and for that, Prime Minister, you should
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Speaker 4: stand condemned. It is unbelievable, Prime Minister. It is it
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Speaker 4: is this Prime Minister who has departed from the precedent
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Speaker 4: of the Labor Party, the great right of the Labor Party.
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Speaker 4: People who should be speaking up, people who should be
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Speaker 4: out there advocating a position as Bill Shorten is, as
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Speaker 4: many people Mister Speaker or in the Labor Party are
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Speaker 4: able to do, but not this Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: The only possible conclusion is senior Labor figures have surrendered
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Speaker 2: their principles to the large and militant Muslim groups in
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Speaker 2: some of their electorates, or that Labour's been so penetrated
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Speaker 2: by the cultural Marxist left that now sees Israel as
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Speaker 2: the embodiment of white privilege and settler colonialism. Either way,
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Speaker 2: it's an utter indictment of this government. This was so
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Speaker 2: significant today. If you've worked in and around Parliament House,
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Speaker 2: you will know what you saw today. It happens rarely,
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Speaker 2: and it almost never happens on foreign affairs. This is
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Speaker 2: really significant, and our country is in a sad state
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Speaker 2: when the government is incapable of simply acknowledging the first
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Speaker 2: anniversary of an atrocity and standing in solidarity with Jewish
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Speaker 2: people here and the world over. Instead, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: wants to make it about civilian deaths in war, as
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Speaker 2: if there's no moral difference between collateral damage and adjust
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Speaker 2: war and the depraved terrorist killings on October seven last year. Now,
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Speaker 2: there's simply no parallel between a terrorist outrage with gunman
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Speaker 2: gleefully slaughtering women, children, even babies, and the tragic deaths
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Speaker 2: of civilians that Humus and Hesbelah routinely use as human
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Speaker 2: shields to protect their military installations. The fact that our
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has tried to link these two, well, that
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Speaker 2: shows he just doesn't get it, that he's weak and
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Speaker 2: that he is simply unworthy of the.
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Speaker 3: Office he holds. Look.
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Speaker 2: While the right to protest is an important fundamental actually
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Speaker 2: it's fundamental to democracy, I think most of us are
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Speaker 2: now fed up with the constant protests against Israel. It's
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Speaker 2: not just that they've been running in Sydney and Melbourne
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Speaker 2: almost every week for a year, with all the attendant
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Speaker 2: disruption to people going about their normal lives.
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Speaker 3: It's not just the expense.
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Speaker 2: Although the cost of policing dozens and dozens of these
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Speaker 2: protests is literally running into many hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Speaker 2: It's the fact that being against the Middle East only
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Speaker 2: liberal democracy, the only country in a region where women
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Speaker 2: and gays have equal rights, and effectively to stand in
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Speaker 2: favor of harmas Hesbela and Iran, all of them Islamist theocracies. Well,
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Speaker 2: I reckon, that's pretty much UnAustralian today. Even Bill Short
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Speaker 2: was saying that the Victorian government, the Victorian Labor government,
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Speaker 2: should introduce a permit system to stop these perma protests
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: It's true that in all of these protests there's been
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Speaker 2: a large group of professional disruptors, people prepared to take
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Speaker 2: the streets on any left wing issue, be at anti Israel,
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Speaker 2: extinction rebellion.
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Speaker 3: Or Black Lives Matter.
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Speaker 2: And there's some who too genuinely want to see an
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Speaker 2: endo violence, even though any cease fire now would be
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Speaker 2: a victory for terrorism. But there's also a lot of
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Speaker 2: recently arrived migrants in these protests who seem to have
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Speaker 2: brought their old hatreds to their new country. Let's remember
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Speaker 2: the pledge that all new citizens take, they say, I
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Speaker 2: pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic
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Speaker 2: beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and
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Speaker 2: whose laws I will uphold and obey. There's no democracy
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Speaker 2: and there's no liberty as we understand it in Gaza
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Speaker 2: on the West Bank or in Iran. Then there's a
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Speaker 2: citizenship test, the five questions people get about Australian values
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Speaker 2: that all newcomers are supposed to pass.
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Speaker 3: And yes.
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Speaker 2: Question six in the Official Practice Test gives peaceful protest
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Speaker 2: as an example of free speech. But the Official Practice
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Speaker 2: Test also makes clear that Australia is a secular society
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Speaker 2: with equal rights for all, where people can freely vote
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Speaker 2: in elections, and where disagreement must.
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Speaker 3: Be peaceful and respectful.
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Speaker 2: Well, there hasn't been too much respect shown on our
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Speaker 2: streets for Australian Jews, who report anti Semitism at unprecedented levels.
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Speaker 2: There hasn't been too much respect in various mosques for
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Speaker 2: Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 6: The invading Jews.
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Speaker 2: We see, But I love the day you will be
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Speaker 2: kicked out of Palestinis coming. The trees will speak, the
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Speaker 2: soul will speak, and I will say, believe there is
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Speaker 2: a Yahoodi behind me, come and kill him.
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Speaker 7: Si fa.
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Speaker 6: Men si fati lahoud.
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Speaker 8: Hiah and nahum sha Sama.
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Speaker 2: Now, the last thing I want to see is a
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Speaker 2: change to our non discriminatory immigration policy. Australia is rightly
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Speaker 2: hailed is the world's most successful immigrant society, but the
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Speaker 2: only way a diverse, multi ethnic society with no majority
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Speaker 2: of religion that can continue to flourish is with a
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Speaker 2: strong civic ethos and a deep commitment to Australia and
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Speaker 2: its values. That's what we had in the decades after
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Speaker 2: the Second World War, as our immigration program shifted from
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Speaker 2: the British Isles to continental Europe and eventually onto Asia.
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Speaker 2: There was a strong focus on integration into what we
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Speaker 2: all thought then was the world's best country, one flag,
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Speaker 2: one set of values, and a genuine love of this
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Speaker 2: country was so privileged to share. That was all before though,
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Speaker 2: our schools and university started teaching the black arm band
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Speaker 2: view of Australian history, our government started flying three flags
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Speaker 2: instead of one Australian flag, and every civic event begins
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Speaker 2: with an acknowledgment that it's some people's country more than others,
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Speaker 2: with rights to live in the best nation on Earth
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Speaker 2: comes responsibilities. It can't all we take and we can't
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Speaker 2: have a situation where as Tony Abbott said last night,
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Speaker 2: people migrate here to live in Hotel Australia rather than
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Speaker 2: join Team Australia. It's telling that there's no public mourning
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Speaker 2: thirteen years ago for Asama bin Laden when he was killed,
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Speaker 2: unlike the recent outpouring of grief for the dead terrorist Nazruelah.
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Speaker 2: Multiculturalism has gone too far when it extends to celebrating
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Speaker 2: terrorist leaders on the streets of Australia. If we do
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Speaker 2: not cut out this cancer, it will metastasize in the end.
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Speaker 2: This will be what destroys the country we love. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's got a camber now for the headlines. Parliament resumed
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Speaker 2: today pretty fiery, not just that motion all the way through.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Olivia Kaisley Good Evening.
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Speaker 9: Western Australia Senator Fatima Payman, who spectacularly quit Labor in
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Speaker 9: July over its stance on the Middle East, will announce
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Speaker 9: her own political.
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Speaker 3: Party this week.
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Speaker 9: She's hoping to leverage support from the Muslim community who
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Speaker 9: are turning away from Labour over the Middle East.
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Speaker 7: I will be putting my name on the line, and
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Speaker 7: through the values of this party, it will be tested
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Speaker 7: and contested in every state.
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Speaker 9: Senator payment joined by Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe and Green
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Speaker 9: Senator Marine Ferruki in calling for sanctions on Israel.
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Speaker 7: How many more need to be killed before this government
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Speaker 7: has the courage to call it for what it is,
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Speaker 7: to call it a genocide?
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Speaker 9: Outside Parliament, a pro Palestinian protest called for an end
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Speaker 9: to Israel's military response in Gaza and criticize the Albanese
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Speaker 9: government for being too supportive of Tel Aviv. Labour is
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Speaker 9: under pressure to cancel the visa of a US academic
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Speaker 9: after he praised the October seven terrorist attacks as a
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Speaker 9: day of considerable celebate.
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Speaker 10: I think the government should be booting that person. I
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Speaker 10: understand he's on a visa, and I think, you know,
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Speaker 10: those are the sort of comments we do not need
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Speaker 10: in this country. It was not the day for politicization
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Speaker 10: of October seven.
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Speaker 3: It is a day of mourning.
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Speaker 9: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke says he's reviewing Khalid bay
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Speaker 9: Dune's visa status after he made the remarks at a
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Speaker 9: rally in Western Sydney on Monday.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I leg we spend their sitting
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Speaker 2: on the fence there. She didn't vote for that most
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Speaker 2: so she didn't vote against that motion from the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister that had support for Jewish Australians and all the
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Speaker 2: other stuff in there about Gaza.
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Speaker 3: She voted with the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Pretty cheap shot there we I'm joined now Vaskyni's political
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Speaker 2: letter to Andrew Clenell Andrew welcome. We'll start with that motion.
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Speaker 2: I watched it. I thought was extraordinary. It was spellbinding.
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Speaker 2: In fact, as soon as the Prime Minister, you know,
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Speaker 2: he started out with all that lovely language about Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 2: Then he starts using terms like ceasefire and away he goes.
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Speaker 2: And then it became emotion about Gaza and Southern Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: You'd have to go back a couple of decades to
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Speaker 2: find any other parallel like it.
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Speaker 3: In the Parliament.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned at the top of the show, Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: was the one who reached out to the PM last week.
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Speaker 2: I am surprised the government wasn't on the front foot
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Speaker 2: this week, given Parliament was resuming. They didn't put a
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Speaker 2: motion on the table. They were pushed into it by
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Speaker 2: the opposition. They had those meetings today. Of course the
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Speaker 2: leader in the PM. They couldn't agree. The PM insisted
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Speaker 2: that there be all these references to levin On in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: He wanted to cease fire in there. Dount and says, no,
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Speaker 2: we know where we ended up in the Parliament. It
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Speaker 2: was pretty extraordinary. What was your take? I mentioned too
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Speaker 2: there it carried with the support of the Greens and
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Speaker 2: the Tears.
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Speaker 3: What's your take?
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, look, I think it's a mistake. That's my view.
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Speaker 1: I don't see what's wrong with basically passing an opposition
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Speaker 1: motion about October seven and then in a subsequent day,
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Speaker 1: if you want to talk about it, ceasefire and these
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Speaker 1: sorts of things to do that. And I had one
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Speaker 1: Opposition front bencher actually say to me this afternoon, why
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Speaker 1: did he walk into the trap, which is, you know,
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Speaker 1: to look like you are talking out of both sides
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Speaker 1: of your mouth, as Peter Dutton said. I just think
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Speaker 1: it's unnecessary sort of a move by the PM. I mean,
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Speaker 1: maybe he didn't want to give Peter Dutton credit. Maybe
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Speaker 1: there were people in his caucus and cabinet who said
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Speaker 1: there's no way we're voting for that, maybe he is
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Speaker 1: worried about the vote in Western Sydney. Whatever it is
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Speaker 1: he himself has said over the weekend, and Mark Butler's said,
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Speaker 1: and Richard Marles has said, October seven should be its
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Speaker 1: own thing. It should be left alone. There shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: vigils or protests from pro Palestinian people on that date.
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Speaker 1: So when it comes to October eighth in Parliament sitting,
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Speaker 1: what's wrong with passing emotion? In terms of the victims
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Speaker 1: more than twelve hundred of that barbarity, absolute barbarity on
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Speaker 1: October seven, I thought it was pretty short sighted, he
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Speaker 1: objected to ale of phrases. I understand the PM. There
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Speaker 1: were two meetings at eight thirty and eleven o'clock roughly
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Speaker 1: this morning between Anthony Albanesi and Peter Dutton. One of
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Speaker 1: the clauses had basically the Middle East was quiet before
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Speaker 1: the October seven barbarity. I understand the PM didn't particularly
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Speaker 1: accept that. But that could have been amended or something.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't it and just pass the thing and then we
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be sitting here talking about it, And that's the
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Speaker 1: main thing, that's the issue. It wouldn't be on the
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Speaker 1: front pages of the paper tomorrow if you'd had just
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Speaker 1: handled it in that fashion. But what the whole thing
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Speaker 1: has done, and I guess Peter Dutton was probably thinking
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Speaker 1: this could occur, is again it shows that real divide,
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Speaker 1: massive divide on this war. And you said, haven't seen
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Speaker 1: it for a couple of decades. Well, Kieran was reminded
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Speaker 1: to Kieran Gilbot, my colleague of the Iraq War, Simon
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Speaker 1: Crane opposing Australia's involvement in that, and Mark as well.
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Speaker 1: So I think that would be not quite the same
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Speaker 1: because is not involved in this war. But it's along
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Speaker 1: those lines, you know, And I'm not sure it needed
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Speaker 1: to be. The other statements that the PM and his
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Speaker 1: misses have made about October seven is it's a horrific
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Speaker 1: terrorist incident. That's all the motions sought to sought to do.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that motion would have taken anything away
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Speaker 1: from Labour's calls for a ceasefire or for lesser van
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Speaker 1: deaths in Lebanon and Gaza. But those calls I going
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Speaker 1: to be a Penny Wong about a week and a
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Speaker 1: half ago and she said, oh, the only way outs
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Speaker 1: the two state solution when she was in New York
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Speaker 1: and interview, and I'm like, really, I mean, how many
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Speaker 1: decades of leaders of the US and other countries has
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Speaker 1: been trying to achieve that it's not that simple. That's
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Speaker 1: probably not the first step out of this. So I
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Speaker 1: do think that it also comes from Anthony Albanesian Penny
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Speaker 1: Wong thinking that Yahu has gone too far and that
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Speaker 1: he is timing it to do with the US selection.
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Speaker 1: And you know that it's not just about defending Israel
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Speaker 1: as much as they say it is. I think that's
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Speaker 1: not what.
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Speaker 2: October seven is about, Andrew, That's no. I know that's
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Speaker 2: the problem for the Prime I'm just trying to that's
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Speaker 2: a problem.
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Speaker 1: I guess you asked me what I thought their motivations were,
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Speaker 1: and I've just given you the full gamut.
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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, no, I agree with you there, But I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think the problem is he is trying to put
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Speaker 2: too much into the motion. If they'd kept it simple
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Speaker 2: and perhaps even shorter, and as I said, the government
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Speaker 2: had led with the motion, I mean, blind Freddie can
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Speaker 2: tell you it's coming up when Parliament resumes. If October
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Speaker 2: seven is the week of resumption, they should have been
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Speaker 2: driving what the motion would look like rather being led
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Speaker 2: to it by Peter Dutton, and they could have had
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Speaker 2: a secondary motion and that would have been very difficult
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Speaker 2: for Peter Dutton not to support a secondary motion about
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Speaker 2: civilian deaths in Gaza, and they would have been on
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Speaker 2: the front foot. But again this goes to my broader point.
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Speaker 2: We often talk about this, who the heck is running
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Speaker 2: their strategy? The government looks like it's reacting to events.
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Speaker 2: It's not in charge of events. Now it's supposed to
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Speaker 2: be the biggest office in the country with the biggest
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Speaker 2: megaphone being the Prime Ministers, and they look like flotsam
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Speaker 2: and jetsam as things are happening around them.
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Speaker 3: Not in control of things.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just as we go to where it's broken
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Speaker 2: in the last half an hour, I mean Labor MP,
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Speaker 2: Peter Khalil, very well respected Labor MP. He's resigned as
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Speaker 2: the chair of the powerful Security and Intelligence Committee. Now
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Speaker 2: what's this about? Because a lot of people had faith,
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Speaker 2: given his ethnic background and the seat in which he
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Speaker 2: holds in inner city of Melbourne, that he could be
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Speaker 2: a bit of a powerful good here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not aware of anything sinister in relation of this.
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Speaker 1: He's made him a special Envoy on Social Cohesion. We
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Speaker 1: look like we have a fair bit of a problem
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Speaker 1: in that department. Perhaps he should concentrate on that. Of course,
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Speaker 1: he's got to worry about the Greens in Wills, so
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Speaker 1: Rap Chicarni is a sensible fellow. He will replace him
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Speaker 1: on that committee. So I think he'd be of similar
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Speaker 1: sort of ideology to Peter Khalil. He's in the right
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Speaker 1: of the party, so I think that'll probably work. But
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Speaker 1: I would suspect it's to do with that new role,
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Speaker 1: and that to me makes sense. But in terms of
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Speaker 1: the strategy and how things are running well, I think
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Speaker 1: the PM likes to do a lot of it himself.
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Speaker 1: He's been around the Parliament a long time and reckons
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Speaker 1: he can get a lot of the judgment calls right.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's just not how it works. It's too big.
21:29
Speaker 1: It's too big a job, as you know, and so yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean there probably is an argument, particularly at this
21:38
Speaker 1: point in the cycle. He got David Epstein in there
21:41
Speaker 1: to help Tim Gartrell, so he got someone reputed to
21:44
Speaker 1: be a heavy hitter. But he probably needs one or
21:47
Speaker 1: two other senior heads because they are in a great
21:51
Speaker 1: deal of difficulty, aren't they? They really are, And those
21:55
Speaker 1: poll numbers aren't moving. They're down from the last election.
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Speaker 1: And you know the right circumstances. Last year, Peter Dunton
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Speaker 1: couldn't snatch himself to seventy two seventy three seats.
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Speaker 6: And ability to form office.
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Speaker 1: It's a least likely outcome at the moment. But I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what, no rate cup before next April. Look
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Speaker 1: out Labor government.
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Speaker 2: Hey, just before you go, are you surprised that Stephen
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Speaker 2: Miles doesn't want to see the Prime Minister in Queensland
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Speaker 2: during the campaign?
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not because I mean Stephen Miles is on
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Speaker 1: the nose there and he's not even on the paraphernalia,
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Speaker 1: I think, which they do with unpopular leaders. But polling
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Speaker 1: up there shows Anthony alberanes he's on the nose there.
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Speaker 1: But don't forget in the last federal election Queensland Scott
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Speaker 1: Morrison won in a landslide, didn't He won about twenty
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Speaker 1: two or twenty three of the thirty seats, just as
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Speaker 1: he did in twenty nineteen. So it's never been a
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Speaker 1: friendly state for Anthony Alberanesi or the Labor Party really
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Speaker 1: since Kevin Rutt was around a Queenslander. So no, it's
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Speaker 1: no surprise. You know, it's a little bit embarrassing for
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Speaker 1: the PMO. I think if it is indeed the case
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Speaker 1: that Miles doesn't want him there, because Alban Easy said
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Speaker 1: in recent days it will be in Queensland soon and
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Speaker 1: it's never a good look. But I remember glad to
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Speaker 1: sperogically and avoiding Scott Morrison coming apart from once in
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Speaker 1: the New South Wales campaign of twenty nineteen she won
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Speaker 1: and then he won.
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Speaker 2: I know, but if Elbow needs seats, which he does,
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Speaker 2: we think we're going to have losses in w WA
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Speaker 2: for Labor.
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Speaker 3: He's got to go somewhere where there is an opportunity.
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Speaker 2: And there's seats up there that are a lot more
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Speaker 2: in the Liberal Party's ledger than there is no Labor
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Speaker 2: Party ledger. He's if he's going to win and hold
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Speaker 2: on to gab that he's got to make ground in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: And I just don't see how he can do that
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Speaker 2: if it doesn't turn up at all, Andrewa got.
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Speaker 8: To leave it there.
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Speaker 1: The only one they talk about, Parliament, the only one
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Speaker 1: they talk about.
23:46
Speaker 2: All right, all right, we'll go all right, Parliament's return. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: Labors against the clock to trying to get its contentious
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Speaker 2: misinformation legislation through by the end of the year. Coalition
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Speaker 2: quite rightly says it won't the i'ought the bill as
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Speaker 2: it's drafted, so Laborer's now trying to get the cross
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Speaker 2: bench to do a deal. Already the whole process looks
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Speaker 2: like a bit of a sham. Stakeholders were given barely
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Speaker 2: a week to comment on quite detailed legislation. Now those
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Speaker 2: that met the deadline or they've been scathing, even the
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Speaker 2: left leaning Bar Association in Victoria, going as far as
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Speaker 2: to say the laws will undermine free speech by encouraging
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Speaker 2: and I quote chilling self censorship and our further concerns
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Speaker 2: Australians could be at risk of spending up to a
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Speaker 2: year in jail if they refuse to cooperate with misinformation
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Speaker 2: hearings they're called, which could also capture people affiliated with
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Speaker 2: social media or digital platforms, not just those who create
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Speaker 2: the content. Joining me now to discuss this a partner
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Speaker 2: at Major Law for Thompson Gear Lawyers, justin quill justin
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time. These laws are complex, it's
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Speaker 2: new technology as we know and it's been pushed through
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Speaker 2: the Parliament very little consultation time. But when you've got
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Speaker 2: all of these legal organizations lining up to say they
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Speaker 2: fear for freedom of speech if these bills pass, you've
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Speaker 2: got to be demanding more scrutiny than we're getting.
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Speaker 3: Surely.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Look, they are complex, but they are simply bad.
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Speaker 6: It's I can't put it more simply than that.
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Speaker 11: It is absolutely an undermining of free speech on so
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Speaker 11: many different levels. And it's so concerning, so big but
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Speaker 11: brotherish that we have this definition of misinformation, for example,
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Speaker 11: reasonably verifiable as false, misleading or deceptive, reasonably verifiable according
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Speaker 11: to who the government. And that's ultimately the main issue
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Speaker 11: that I see here is that the government or a
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Speaker 11: government agency determine what is reasonably verifiable, is false, misleading,
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Speaker 11: or some things might seem deceptive to the government but
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Speaker 11: are actually in reality true.
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Speaker 6: So it's greatly concerning to me.
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Speaker 2: Let's step back before we get to that point you
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Speaker 2: made there about the government authority, because that's AKMA, the
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Speaker 2: Communications Media Authority. That's an unelected bureaucracy. They're the ultimate
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Speaker 2: judge and jury. Let's say, if something comes to the
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Speaker 2: decision maker. But before that, obviously, you can have all
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Speaker 2: these tech companies who won't want to breach the AKMA rule,
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Speaker 2: so they'll just self censor if they think something looks
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Speaker 2: a bit dicey, or if it's in a contentious area.
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Speaker 2: Let's say it's about the Middle East, let's say it's
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Speaker 2: about the voice, let's say it's about climate change. Anywhere
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Speaker 2: where there is debate, they'll just take it down. They'll
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Speaker 2: just lowest common denominator, just get rid of it. Then
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Speaker 2: I'm not even going to be bounced into the jurisdiction
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Speaker 2: of AKMA.
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Speaker 3: So that's my fear.
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Speaker 2: That'll just mean that voices are lost in the online debate.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, look, Judge, Jury and Executioner, I'd say ACME is
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Speaker 11: going to become under this legislation in.
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Speaker 6: Terms of self censorship.
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Speaker 11: I guess I can't really speak for the tech companies
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Speaker 11: and how they will handle in the future some demand
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Speaker 11: based around this definition of misinformation. We have seen, of course,
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Speaker 11: ex Corp fight overreached by the Safety Commissioner. The overreach
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Speaker 11: including the attempt to globally take down and censor what
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Speaker 11: people saw in other countries about the stabbing of vicious.
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Speaker 6: Mary Maray in Sydney.
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Speaker 11: So we've seen ex Cort fight the a Safe Commissioner
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Speaker 11: in that case for example, and others. So I don't
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Speaker 11: think you can necessarily assume that all tech companies will
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Speaker 11: will give up their right to free speech. X Corpse
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Speaker 11: certainly is fought pretty hard on it as for others. Look,
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Speaker 11: who knows how it will happen, but it is a concern.
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Speaker 11: Self sense ship is a concern, and part of the
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Speaker 11: reason that's concerned is it's not something if a tech
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Speaker 11: company doesn't fight it, that we don't know about it.
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Speaker 11: It just happens in the background, and that is one
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Speaker 11: of the worst sides of it, that sense self censorship.
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Speaker 2: Well, it certainly happened to be during the Voice justin
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Speaker 2: I was shut down for comments about the Ulary's statement
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Speaker 2: being longer than the one page post the Prime Minister claimed.
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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for lawyers at news Corps Sky News
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Speaker 2: who took on the issue, everything that I'd said about
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Speaker 2: that issue would have disappeared online. So again that was
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Speaker 2: just before these laws, and I imagine post these laws,
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Speaker 2: it's all that on steroids. This discussion today about jail
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Speaker 2: terms though, and ordinary people explain what's the risk here.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, look, if there is this misinformation put out
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Speaker 11: there by Joe Blow, a member of the public, an
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Speaker 11: actment or the Minister directs to conduct an investigation. They
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Speaker 11: can conduct an investigation into the dissemination of what he
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Speaker 11: consider misinformation.
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Speaker 6: And I might say, just pausing.
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Speaker 11: There even as I say that, it sounds so Big
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Speaker 11: brotherish and sounds like something from some sort of sci
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Speaker 11: fi type movie. But anyway, the Minister can direct ACMA
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Speaker 11: to conduct an investigation. The investigation can include the conduct
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Speaker 11: of hearings. The conduct of hearings can include the calling
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Speaker 11: in of Joe Blow.
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Speaker 6: Member of the public, and that person could be called in.
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Speaker 11: If they don't cooperate, they can be punished, and it
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Speaker 11: can include, as I understand it, potentially jail terms.
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Speaker 6: So a really serious situation here.
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Speaker 11: And if that isn't doesn't have the capacity to cause
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Speaker 11: a chilling effect, I don't know what is doesn't seem
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Speaker 11: the government.
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Speaker 6: Doesn't seem concerned.
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Speaker 11: This government doesn't seem concerned with protecting free speech unless
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Speaker 11: it's their version of free speech and.
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Speaker 6: Anything else other than what they.
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Speaker 11: Consider to be the truth to be reasonably verifiable. If
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Speaker 11: it's not their version, then it's the subject to attack,
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Speaker 11: and that of itself is greatly concerning, especially if it
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Speaker 11: ends up in some sort of hearings where members of
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Speaker 11: the public are haled before these hearings.
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Speaker 6: It's quite something really when you think about it.
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Speaker 2: Wow, Justin what worries me is we're heading to an
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Speaker 2: election and they want this past before they're likely to
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Speaker 2: call the election. I think that's got a bearing on
30:42
Speaker 2: the timing as well. Justin will thank you all right
30:45
Speaker 2: after the break. The government's reviewing the visa of an
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Speaker 2: American academic for a speech in Sydney yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Why even have a review?
30:52
Speaker 2: The bloke should be on an aircraft out of Australia.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: We'll speak to the Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Te a
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Speaker 2: bit later on Chris Yelman. I want his take on
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Speaker 2: this growing schism within Labor over in foreign policy and
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Speaker 2: what it means for Australia. Welcome back to the calm
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Speaker 2: Labour's old right that once stood up Israel's right to
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Speaker 2: exist at loggerheads with the current left leadership of Labor,
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Speaker 2: who'd rather panned a pro Palestine voters. It's a treacherous
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Speaker 2: place for one of our major political parties to be
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Speaker 2: in and it spells trouble for Australia longer term unless
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Speaker 2: it's tackled inside labor. But let's go now a shadow
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Speaker 2: Minister of Immigration and Citizenship, Dan teen. There's lots around Dan,
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Speaker 2: I'll get to some of your portfolio, which is for
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Speaker 2: a moment. But you are in the house today, you
31:44
Speaker 2: were there for those extraordinary scenes.
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Speaker 3: I made mention at the top of the show.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it in the Parliament about
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Speaker 2: something as somber as what that motion was supposed to represent,
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Speaker 2: let alone a split line like this in foreign policy terms.
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Speaker 3: I can't understand why.
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Speaker 2: The government could not support a simple motion regarding that
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Speaker 2: day October seven and what occurred to innocent Israelis.
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Speaker 12: No I can't either, Peter, and no one on the
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Speaker 12: coalition side could as well. It was I think a
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Speaker 12: day of shame for our parliament. The fact that we
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Speaker 12: couldn't reach a bipartisan agreement on the fact that we
32:34
Speaker 12: needed to be paying our respects to the twelve hundred
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Speaker 12: Israelis who lost their lives from that Henus attack, the
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Speaker 12: fact that there are one hundred hostages still being held
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Speaker 12: by a listed terrorist organization HAMAS and stand with Israel
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Speaker 12: on this day, I think is a day of shame,
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Speaker 12: and the Prime Minister I think needs to clearly explain
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Speaker 12: what it was in that wording of the motion that
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Speaker 12: Peter Dunton put forward in a bipartisan way that he
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Speaker 12: so vehemently disagreed with, because there is nothing in that
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Speaker 12: wording that should have prevented the Prime Minister standing with
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Speaker 12: us on that motion. And Peter Dutton wrote to the
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister he was quite prepared for him to lead
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Speaker 12: on this and the Prime Minister once again showed that
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Speaker 12: he just isn't up to leading. And in the end
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Speaker 12: it was Peter Dutton it put forward the motion and
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Speaker 12: when he read it out in the Parliament and you
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Speaker 12: listened to it, you could not find one word in
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Speaker 12: that motion that the larger parties should not have been
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Speaker 12: able to agree with.
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Speaker 2: Dan you were in the Parliament, I was there too.
33:48
Speaker 2: When we were dealing with issues like Asama bin Laden.
33:51
Speaker 2: There was no sitting on the fence about al Qaeder,
33:55
Speaker 2: There was no sitting on the fence about the women,
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Speaker 2: the z D women on Mount Sindja and all the ramifications,
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Speaker 2: horrific depravity we saw from Islamic stayed it's a bloody
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Speaker 2: big call for Peter Dutton to have done what he
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Speaker 2: did today when that.
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Speaker 3: Takes a lot of courage.
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Speaker 2: But it says to me as I watched it unfold
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Speaker 2: and I listened to the Prime Minister first, obviously I
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Speaker 2: had no idea what the Coalition might do. I was
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Speaker 2: outraged where the Prime Minister was going in his motion.
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Speaker 3: But for Dutton to.
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Speaker 2: Get up and do what he did, I thought to myself,
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Speaker 2: that is a measure of the man you will get
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Speaker 2: as prime minister if he wins the next election. I
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Speaker 2: think Australians tonight watching this it will probably come to
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Speaker 2: that same conclusion.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, it was incredibly courageous what Peter Duarton did today
34:44
Speaker 12: because he stood up for what is morally right. He
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Speaker 12: stood up on principle and he also stood up on
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Speaker 12: what has been the heritage of the Parliament on issues
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Speaker 12: when it comes to Israel. As Peter Dutonym said, I mentioned,
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Speaker 12: you know this goes back to Julia Gillard, to Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 12: to Paul Keating.
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Speaker 1: To Bob Hawk.
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Speaker 12: They were able to stand with the Coalition in a
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Speaker 12: bipartisan way on these issues. And the fact that that
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Speaker 12: couldn't be done today, I think is just a damning
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Speaker 12: indictment on the Prime minister, and none of us wanted
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Speaker 12: to see it. That's the thing. We all wanted to
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Speaker 12: come here today and to be able to recognize the
35:32
Speaker 12: atrocities which occurred on October seven. And you're right to
35:37
Speaker 12: point to isis, you know, a listed terrorist organization. People
35:42
Speaker 12: seem to forget Hamas are a listed terrorist organization. And
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Speaker 12: I say this, Peter, could you imagine if this attack
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Speaker 12: had taken place in Australia and a hundred hostages were
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Speaker 12: still being held Australian's been held as hostages. Do you
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Speaker 12: think there would be the Australian people would want equivalents?
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Speaker 12: Do you think that they would want some sort of
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Speaker 12: understanding that they would want their government to take action again?
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Speaker 12: And I remember organization it has committed.
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Speaker 2: I remember we were deploying assets into the theater of
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Speaker 2: Islamic State. We didn't have obviously troops on the ground,
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Speaker 2: but we had assets in the theater. We well do
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Speaker 2: training in Iraq. We had special forces nearby in case
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Speaker 2: they were needed, obviously for evacuations. But I remember that
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Speaker 2: the sort of very somber meetings Tony Abbott had as
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister with Bill Shorten who was Opposition leader, and
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Speaker 2: short and moved the labor left when the right were
36:41
Speaker 2: there already, but he moved the labor left a huge
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Speaker 2: distance to support urgent legislation, to support deployments. We go briefings,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the early hours of the morning. We
36:54
Speaker 2: did everything to accommodate keeping the bipartisanship while we had
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Speaker 2: troops overseas, while we had these issues that we were
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Speaker 2: contending with. Will remember, of course, all that radicalization that
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Speaker 2: was also happening back in Australia. And I look at
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Speaker 2: what's happening here in the Parliament. It's never been more divided, Dan,
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Speaker 2: and we've never had more division on the streets in
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Speaker 2: Australia as a consequence, because the Parliament is divided, the
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Speaker 2: two major parties are divided. Because a Prime Minister himself
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Speaker 2: is divided, he cannot decide what is right and what
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Speaker 2: is wrong.
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Speaker 3: That's the problem we've got.
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Speaker 12: It is the Prime Minister isn't leading. And you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 12: What we see on the streets now is social cohesion
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Speaker 12: in this nation disappearing before our eyes, something that none
37:42
Speaker 12: of us want to see. And you look back and
37:44
Speaker 12: You're absolutely right. At the bipartisanship which took place with
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Speaker 12: isis the Intelligence and Security Committee in the space of
37:53
Speaker 12: six to nine months put through sorry five pieces of
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Speaker 12: national security legislation to deal with it, all in a
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Speaker 12: bipartisan matter, all led by the then Prime Minister, And
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Speaker 12: what we're seeing now is nothing of the sort. And
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Speaker 12: I think it's quite sad where our nation is heading
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Speaker 12: at the moment, and it's going to require a principled leader.
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Speaker 12: It's going to require a leader who will stand up
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Speaker 12: for what it's right, and we are very fortunate to
38:23
Speaker 12: have such a person in Peter Dunton leading the opposition.
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Speaker 12: And I think there's going to be a huge contrast
38:29
Speaker 12: that the Australian people will be able to see in
38:32
Speaker 12: the two major leaders of the major political parties at
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Speaker 12: the next election, one who will stand up for principal,
38:38
Speaker 12: one who is strong, and the other who sadly blows
38:42
Speaker 12: with the wind on an issue, speaks with Faulke tongue
38:45
Speaker 12: and is showing weak leadership daily.
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Speaker 3: Dan, just quickly a comment from you.
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Speaker 2: I've got to go, but this visus status of American
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Speaker 2: who's here says really offensive, extremist things that are Propalastinian Rallian.
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Speaker 2: The government says we're going to review his visitor status.
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Speaker 2: Why the heck is he already on a plane out
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Speaker 2: of Australia.
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Speaker 12: Very very good question, and these two questions that need
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Speaker 12: to be answered here by Tony Burke. First of all
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Speaker 12: is why was he issued a visa in the first place?
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Speaker 12: Who didn't do their due diligence about what this individual
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Speaker 12: was already on the record saying about hamas a listed
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Speaker 12: terrorist organization? And then why is it taking so long
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Speaker 12: now that he said what he said for him to
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Speaker 12: be removed from the country Two excellent questions that Tony
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Speaker 12: Burke needs to answer and needs to answer tonight.
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Speaker 2: Dan, we'll watch parliament closely tomorrow. This will not be
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Speaker 2: the end of it. Thank you for your time, all
39:43
Speaker 2: right after break? Why is multiculturalism under threat in Australia?
39:47
Speaker 2: Why do people come here that don't support our values?
39:50
Speaker 2: And why do we put up with at christialman ark
39:53
Speaker 2: the break? Welcome back to the com Jesus. We've got
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Speaker 2: a serious problem when Hesblah is actually praising rallies in Australia.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment, but first, what could
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Speaker 2: have been an unequivocal condemnation of her mass and memory
40:14
Speaker 2: of October seven in the Parliament, and all the solidarities
40:18
Speaker 2: shown that they could Australian Jewish community, all of that
40:22
Speaker 2: didn't happen.
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Speaker 3: It ended.
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Speaker 2: It's a terrible day. We saw that in the Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now Sky and his contributed Chris Yelman, we'll
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Speaker 2: get to other things. Chris, I've got to ask you
40:31
Speaker 2: what you made of that attempt at a bipartisan emotion
40:36
Speaker 2: today but basically squandered by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's a very sad day when Australia
40:44
Speaker 8: can't get together, when the two sides of politics can't
40:47
Speaker 8: get together in Parliament to do something which should be obvious,
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Speaker 8: and that is to mourn the losses that we saw
40:52
Speaker 8: on October seven and the atrocities that went with it.
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Speaker 8: I think what we're seeing from the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 8: that he now knows that a large part of his
41:01
Speaker 8: caucus is pro Palestinian, a large part of the Labour
41:04
Speaker 8: Party's base is pro Palestinian. He fears what that will
41:08
Speaker 8: do at the next election, with the Greens going after
41:10
Speaker 8: that Beta base, a Muslim party now arising, which is
41:13
Speaker 8: going after part of that base. So I think it's
41:15
Speaker 8: the belief in his party which is driving the politics
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Speaker 8: on this, and that's why he's caught between two stools.
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Speaker 8: He can't make up his mind. And you're right to
41:23
Speaker 8: point out too about Labor Party's history on this, and
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Speaker 8: I keep going back to it. In nineteen forty seven,
41:29
Speaker 8: a hero of Labor Party, Doc Ebittt, was the chair
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Speaker 8: of the UN Committee that shepherded through the State of Israel,
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Speaker 8: and then was the president of the UN General Assembly
41:39
Speaker 8: which saw it through when Australia was the first state
41:41
Speaker 8: to vote on the State of Israel. Now eighty years on,
41:46
Speaker 8: nearly eighty years on the firsts of Israel supporter supporters
41:51
Speaker 8: now seems to be equivocal about where it stands, and
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Speaker 8: I think that's a very very difficult thing for the
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Speaker 8: country to be.
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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with the point you're making there about
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Speaker 2: the shift in his base, or certainly the shift in
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Speaker 2: his caucus. But the more he goes down this track,
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Speaker 2: the more he displays how weak he is as a leader,
42:13
Speaker 2: that he can't stand up for what's right and what's wrong.
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Speaker 2: I think he leaves himself open to ordinary Australians. We
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Speaker 2: see it in the polls. We saw in the polls
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Speaker 2: even yesterday about the lack of support for these protests.
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Speaker 2: He leaves ordinary Australians with nowhere to go when the
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Speaker 2: prime minister's support. You know, they're not going to vote
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Speaker 2: for a bloke that they see as ostensibly weak.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it says it in Revelations, doesn't it be either.
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Speaker 8: If you're neither hot nor cold, then I'll spit you
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Speaker 8: from my mouth. And that's the problem that he has.
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Speaker 8: And I think in these sorts of circumstances, the best
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Speaker 8: thing that you can do is.
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Speaker 6: Pick and stick.
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Speaker 8: And I don't know that it's a difficult thing for
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Speaker 8: an Australian government to decide that it's going to stand
42:59
Speaker 8: with the only state in that part of the world
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Speaker 8: which is a democracy and has been a long term
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Speaker 8: friend of Australia. Now there are really difficult issues and
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Speaker 8: we've discussed this before too, in the way that Benjamin
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Speaker 8: who has behaved in the big miss of the Israeli
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Speaker 8: defense forces and its security on October seven. And the
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Speaker 8: thing I fear most now is that it's now fighting
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Speaker 8: in the south of the country and the north of
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Speaker 8: the country, and if it wants to clear the land
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Speaker 8: to get rid of Herzblar, it's got to go at
43:26
Speaker 8: least forty kilometers inland and it can only.
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Speaker 6: Do that with troops.
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Speaker 8: So Israel now faces an existential threat and it's going
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Speaker 8: to need all the friends that it can get, and
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Speaker 8: Australia should be one of those friends.
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Speaker 3: Is the Labor right dead? Chris Yeoman, Well, look it's changed.
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Speaker 8: The party has changed so dramatically, and the thing it's
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Speaker 8: changed so dramatically. In my lifetime, I used to joke
43:51
Speaker 8: that when I was growing up, I didn't know anyone
43:53
Speaker 8: who wasn't Catholic and didn't vote Labor. It's just not
43:55
Speaker 8: the crowd that I used to move in. That all
43:57
Speaker 8: the Catholics were essentially members of the Labour Party that
44:00
Speaker 8: my family were, that was our background, but they were
44:03
Speaker 8: kind of more of that working class, that blue collar stock.
44:06
Speaker 8: And we see it. We saw it start in the
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Speaker 8: ninth nineteen seventies with the Don duff, Duneons and the
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Speaker 8: GoF Whitlams, where they started courting a crowd which was
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Speaker 8: more of a white collar worker. So now there's this
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Speaker 8: massive divide between the Labor Party as it was, and
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Speaker 8: the Labor Party that it is at the moment, and
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Speaker 8: to me on some things it's unrecognizable because I just
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Speaker 8: really don't.
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Speaker 6: Know where it stands anymore.
44:24
Speaker 8: And I think that there are a lot of working
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Speaker 8: class people who are essentially more conservatives, particularly socially, that
44:31
Speaker 8: would be asking the same question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this will be the this will be the debate
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Speaker 2: in the election where that old labor vote is going
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Speaker 2: to go, and that I think will determine things that
44:42
Speaker 2: particularly compete.
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Speaker 3: At auton, won't it.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, I think that the question, beyond a shadow
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Speaker 8: of doubt it the next election is going to be
44:49
Speaker 8: the cost of living, and I think that people might
44:51
Speaker 8: see some of what's going on at the moment of
44:54
Speaker 8: as a distraction from the things that they want people
44:56
Speaker 8: to be talking about. I think both leaders really should
44:59
Speaker 8: at some point back to talking about the cost of living.
45:02
Speaker 8: But on matters of principle, and this is a matter
45:04
Speaker 8: of principle, you would expect, you know, both science to
45:06
Speaker 8: make their positions particularly clear. Peter Dutton, look, you know,
45:09
Speaker 8: he has the clarity of a very clear position. Adam
45:12
Speaker 8: Bant has the clarity of a very clear position. The
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Speaker 8: Prime Minster at the moment doesn't have any clarity at all,
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Speaker 8: and because of that, he's vanishing into the background. And
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Speaker 8: it's pretty hard to vote for a shadow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes down the backbone and conviction, mate, and
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Speaker 2: he hasn't got it.
45:28
Speaker 3: We'll leave it there. We'll spook you next week.
45:30
Speaker 2: Right after the break. We're going to get into the
45:31
Speaker 2: US election. Poll's moving Trump's way. Kamala Harris under a
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Speaker 2: lot of scrutiny for failing to.
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Speaker 3: Have any sort of tough interview. We'll have a look
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Speaker 3: at that in a moment. Welcome back straight into the panel.
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Speaker 2: International Stories Today News contributor Kosha Jada Kosher Garda joins
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Speaker 2: me and the past chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs
45:54
Speaker 2: and Defense Committee, Michael Danby well Jewish community. Of course,
45:58
Speaker 2: we remembered them and and the atrocities yesterday, but sadly
46:03
Speaker 2: for Australia, Hesbella also picked up all the rallies, the
46:06
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian rallies occurring in Sydney and Melbourne over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: The terror groups shared two photographs from the rallies on
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Speaker 2: the Telegram channel with the caption from Australia to the world,
46:18
Speaker 2: Stop the Israeli aggression on Lebanon. You know, you've got
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Speaker 2: a terrible problem, Michael, A serious problem with terrorism when
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Speaker 2: you've got something like HESBLA out there in the community.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, we're letting a few thousand people in Melbourne or
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Speaker 13: Sydney determine Australia's foreign policy and international image. HESBLA is
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Speaker 13: prescribed by the Australian Parliament. It's a serious process as
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Speaker 13: a terrorist organization. We get evidence from the security services
46:47
Speaker 13: before the Intelligence Committee, which I used to be a member,
46:51
Speaker 13: and even great Australians like that former head of the
46:56
Speaker 13: New South Wales Cops Nick Caldas, invicted hez Bala of
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Speaker 13: murdering the elected Prime Minister of Lebanon, ruffiic career. So
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Speaker 13: anyone who's got any doubts, don't look to telegram channels
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Speaker 13: of hes BLLA. Look to the facts of the elected
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Speaker 13: parliament and a celebrated policeman and an investigation by the UN.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's go to the US. We're four weeks now,
47:23
Speaker 2: Kosher until the elections, who were absolutely at the pointy end.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting ever since that vice presidential debate, there was
47:32
Speaker 2: a slim lay there for Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 3: That's pretty much av operating.
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Speaker 7: It is the RCP average PAULA Paul's right now has
47:39
Speaker 7: them in a statistical tie. Typically the Paul's dow teyitan
47:42
Speaker 7: in this home stretch, but since this was such a
47:44
Speaker 7: truncated campaign, it's sort of you've just seen a lot
47:46
Speaker 7: of abs and flows in her positioning, and it's only
47:50
Speaker 7: getting tighter and tighter. The other two metrics to think
47:52
Speaker 7: about is vorder registration, which is very interesting because last
47:56
Speaker 7: time the Democrats had a one point six million dollar advantage.
47:59
Speaker 7: That many more Democrats have been registered to vault nationwide,
48:02
Speaker 7: including in the swing steats that's been cut in half
48:03
Speaker 7: right now. So that would suggest an enthusiasm gain for Republicans,
48:07
Speaker 7: which fevor is Trump, and then just enthusiasm in general
48:10
Speaker 7: when you look at the rallies and crowd sizes and
48:12
Speaker 7: all of that. So I think the momentum is in
48:14
Speaker 7: Trump's fever. But I still stand by that point. This
48:16
Speaker 7: is going to be a squeaker and a very very
48:18
Speaker 7: reason than election, including all the swing steats, and.
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Speaker 2: In those states, it comes down to where they won't
48:24
Speaker 2: be romantic about a Californian woman running and all the
48:28
Speaker 2: other stuff that's pushed out of Hollywood to say, go
48:30
Speaker 2: and elect your first female president. They'll be absolutely home
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Speaker 2: in half, won't They'll be about issues that affect their family,
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Speaker 2: cost of living, all the stuff we're talking about here.
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Speaker 3: Michael.
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Speaker 13: I'm afraid that there's a real difference between the two candidates,
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Speaker 13: that Trump and Harris from an Australian point of view,
48:45
Speaker 13: and I have to say that I think Harris would
48:48
Speaker 13: be worse foreign policy in this part of the world
48:51
Speaker 13: and therefore, but American voters well, because I don't think
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Speaker 13: she's serious on China. I think Trump scares a base,
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Speaker 13: which is a good thing. I mean, he may be crazy,
49:03
Speaker 13: but he's crazy on our side. So that's useful for
49:06
Speaker 13: a big continent in the middle of the Pacific like Australia.
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Speaker 13: But for so few voters, the fate of the world
49:14
Speaker 13: is being decided and Trump should be miles ahead. I
49:17
Speaker 13: agree with some of the Fox commentators this afternoon. I
49:20
Speaker 13: think he needs a second debate to pull ahead. He
49:23
Speaker 13: really stuffed up the last one on the border, on
49:27
Speaker 13: the economy and talking about pussy cats rather than eleven
49:30
Speaker 13: million immigrants across the border.
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Speaker 3: She's running. You know, we to say a small target strategy.
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Speaker 2: This is the smallest of small targets I've ever seen,
49:39
Speaker 2: but she's starting to get some genuine criticism because she's
49:42
Speaker 2: not doing media where she's put under any pressure.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the strategy has been interesting where she's
49:48
Speaker 7: actually doing media, and at least for the first forty
49:51
Speaker 7: five d's of her campaign, the strategy was clearly sort
49:53
Speaker 7: of hide behind the veneer of the vice presidency and
49:56
Speaker 7: what she stands for. Now she's out there doing sixty
49:58
Speaker 7: Minutes call her Daddy pipe cast, which is being widely panned.
50:01
Speaker 7: It is probably not an appropriate forum, but has a
50:04
Speaker 7: big audience, so she did it, and it is showing
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Speaker 7: a side of her. To Michael's point, there isn't a
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Speaker 7: lot of depth there. I think people see that she
50:10
Speaker 7: wasn't able to answer basic questions on immigration, inflation, the
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Speaker 7: economy from sixty minutes, which is generally a friendly media outlet,
50:17
Speaker 7: and I do think that's one of many dynamics that's
50:20
Speaker 7: leading to the tightening of the poll and the fact
50:22
Speaker 7: that she's not doing well with core demographics that even
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Speaker 7: Biden did carry residing.
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Speaker 13: She's not familiar with the books in the Bible too,
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Speaker 13: which is sort of like in a Christian country like
50:31
Speaker 13: America where a lot of people are Christians, is sort
50:33
Speaker 13: of a bit strange.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about this every day now until Melbourne Cup
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Speaker 2: Day for us, but it's not over there us Poldyke
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Speaker 2: all right, that's it for me, Thanks for your company.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Bolt up next.