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Talks to 2/3rds of The Polis Box about Lee's choice of The War Machines (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. Hamster with a blump.
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  Pen Knife for doing quicker, quicker, quicker.
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  Welcome back to a Hamster with a Blump and Knife the Doctor Who
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  Commentary Podcast. It is a huge honour for me today
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  to welcome 2/3 of what is my personal favorite Doctor Who
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  YouTube channel, The Polish Box. I've got Cam here and I've got
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  Lee. Hello boys.
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  Good. Evening.
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  Hello, how are you doing? Oh, so polite, honestly.
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  Oh yeah, so your mum brought me up.
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  No on your YouTube channel. You're not.
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  Yeah, I was going. To say it's because we're guests
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  or somebody else's, we behave. Ourselves, yes, we've got to
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  behave ourselves. Yeah, I don't know if you've
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  ever heard this podcast, but please, no need for any sort of
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  matters here what I would like to ask the two of you.
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  First of all, before we talk about anything, Doctor Who is
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  what is the Polish Box all about?
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  When did it start? How many episodes have you got?
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  What do you do? And I'm going to throw it to Lee
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  first. All right, the Polish Polish box
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  have been going for, oh, quite some time, since about 2016, I
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  think. Based on the central premise of
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  the Polish Boxes, we put episodes of Doctor Who on trial.
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  So for a long time I've drawn episodes that run.
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  We'd have a trial, either Cameron or Dave, who's not with
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  us tonight with prosecutor, defend the story.
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  And I've probably got up on Twitter with the listeners or
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  viewers as that is now get to vote and then we reveal the
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  results of the next step. So whether it was guilty or not
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  guilty of crimes against Doctor Who.
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  So we're going to do a similar thing.
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  Now. It's moved to YouTube, but it's
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  all very much more immediate and decided on the night.
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  So we're prosecuting whole stories, whole series and one
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  going out as a series at a time. So we've done Series 21 last,
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  we've done Series 24 and Series 9, so we've covered quite a lot
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  so far. But yeah, that's that's where we
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  are on YouTube usually every second Thursday night doing
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  that. You say you've covered quite a
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  lot. That's only three seasons of 40
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  seasons so far, so you've got a fair way to go.
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  Which pleases me because it is my it's the event of the of the
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  fortnight for me. I'm the one that's getting all
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  excited. My raft gets me in snacks.
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  Now to watch the Polish box. You.
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  Really need to get out more? That's a highlight of your
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  Fortnite. Well, I've got to say as well.
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  Oh no. There's a lot of sex going on in
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  that Fortnite as well, but listening to you boys is way
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  better than that. You've just made that sound
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  like. Put that on the posters.
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  A very sort of professional escapade there, Lee.
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  Now Cam, could you please give this another spin and just tell
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  everybody just how lewd and depraved this YouTube channel
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  actually is? How?
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  Well, I I can't possibly comment.
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  We we just seem to. I'd like to say that I am the
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  moral compass of the Polish box and I am the and how I was
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  dragging into this, I have no idea.
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  They they've got my family in the basement.
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  They'll let them go one day, so but I got roped into doing the
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  Polish box because I started emailing them and then
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  eventually I was sending in MP threes and they were putting my
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  bits into the show. And then Lee Milby one day and
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  went, do you fancy just coming up to Edinburgh, just being part
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  of the podcast full time? And I went, yeah, all right,
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  then and then that's been the bulk of it since then.
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  Yep, ever since. But you didn't move to Edinburgh
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  just so you could do this podcast, did you?
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  No. No, no, no, no I didn't, I
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  didn't, I didn't move. Yeah, pre pandemic I was kind
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  of. I was to get in the train up to
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  Edinburgh and sitting in the same room as them and doing 3
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  episodes a day. That's a dedication.
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  I hope they were. Subsidizing onwards where were
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  very much no, I didn't all at the kindness of my arm.
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  It was good. It was a it's a good day out in
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  Edinburgh, you know, it's a good day out to just go to Edinburgh,
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  see Waverly station, then go to the darkened room for the next 8
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  1/2 hours. Well, just I will reiterate one
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  more time, it's just the most wonderful farm what you guys do
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  and it's POLIS because if everyone's going to be trying to
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  put in police and getting it all horribly wrong.
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  Yeah, most of our. I was going to say most of our
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  guests who are Scottish struggle with the name.
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  We're getting questions on it. But yeah, Paul, this is ours.
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  But yeah, so IPOLIS is the way for this us.
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  Go and check it out. There's a back catalogue of
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  brilliant episodes and there's a load more to come.
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  Series 10 is coming up next, and I think that's starting in.
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  We start with Summer Special 4th, the contents which are the
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  secret at the moment, but the fortnight after that we're
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  beginning in the series 10. So yeah, July.
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  It started July when we come back.
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  But to wank off the Polish box is not why we're here today.
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  Why we are here today is to talk about a Doctor Who story, which
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  I believe somebody on this call has round the best Doctor Who
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  story or or the their favorite Doctor Who story of all time.
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  Would that person please step forward?
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  I will raise my hands. I absolutely, wholeheartedly
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  will put on record right now that this is my favorite Doctor
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  Who story of the lot. The whole lot.
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  It's a left field choice, I know, but there are reasons I
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  love it, which we'll probably get into over the course of the
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  next couple of hours. I know just how prepared you are
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  on your own podcast, and I know from our little conversation we
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  had before this recording how prepared you are for this
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  podcast. Which is probably a good thing,
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  because the other member of the Polish boxers here today hasn't
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  even been bothered to watch the bloody thing in advance.
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  Before we do the commentary on it.
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  Is that not right, Cam? I've, I've never seen this.
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  And I I was kind of like I asked and I said, do we watch this in
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  advance? And I was told, Nah, it's all
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  fine, we'll just do it in the night.
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  It'll be fine. No, you just watch it.
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  That's not scriptly true, I didn't explain beforehand.
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  I mean, I think that's kind of that that kind of works, doesn't
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  it? One person's done no, no
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  research at all and the other person has done oodles of it
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  between us. We've got a conversation.
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  It's. Balanced.
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  It's still bad now. No.
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  Well, OK, Before we go in and press play on episode one, can I
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  ask you then, Cam, because I know you're going to have lots
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  of things to say about the story in the era.
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  Lee, do you like the first doctor?
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  Do you like this season, Season 3?
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  And yeah, what? Do you have any thought, any
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  sort of information at all about the war machines before we go
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  in? I have pretty much my my
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  Hartnell is patchy. As my Doctor said one day.
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  It's, you know, I've seen of some Hartnell.
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  Not all of them, though. I wouldn't call myself an expert
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  on the early, early episodes of the Doctor Who.
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  So, you know, one apart from Lee telling me it's his favorite,
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  whatever that he's just said, that's about all I know.
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  So I'm about to find out if he's right or not.
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  Oh. That's wonderful.
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  Well, you're in for an absolute treat because I love this one as
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  well. So if you don't like it, I just
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  warn you, you're in a bit of trouble, all right?
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  OK. All right.
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  Fair enough. Joe, before we start, before we
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  start properly, can I just OfferUp a couple of apologies in
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  advance? Yeah, please do.
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  OK, the third member of our trio, Dave, isn't here tonight.
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  It does pass on his best. We all decided to go for a pre
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  recording and the hottest night spot in town before we started.
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  Next thing you know he's answered the phone.
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  We haven't seen our memories, don't know where he is, so he
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  sends his best anyway do. You know, he he phoned me
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  earlier, Lee, and he sounded a little bit sort of hypnotic on
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  the phone. You know, he was sort of talking
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  in this flat, monotonous voice. No, his natural accent either.
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  I wasn't saying that you can. The other thing I wanted to just
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  point out before we started, I know from your latest so it's
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  referred goods pal Dylan Reese that biscuits snow form an
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  integral part of the hamster experience.
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  That's. Right.
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  Yes, well, I was, I was going to carry on that thing tradition
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  tonight, but the only thing I have in the kitchen that fits
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  that bill are party rings. And I just know if I start
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  offering up my party ring on this podcast, you're just going
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  to get carried away. So before it descends at the
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  altar filth, just put them back in the cupboard.
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  So. OK, thank you.
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  Thank you so much. I'm going to try and get a
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  biscuit reference in every story from now on.
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  Do you know what? We were so desperate with the
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  things to talk about with the underwater menace.
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  We ended up talking about what is Professor Zarroff's favorite
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  biscuits? I mean, it was it was sheer
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  desperation. But he was here with me.
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  Ron consensus. On that, Not really.
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  No party rings, hob knobs. Someone said crackers and nuts,
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  which was a good suggestion. I said custard creams, which is
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  very boring for a super villain. I don't know.
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  And what would you imagine Professor Zaroff's favorite
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  biscuit is? God, I don't know Now I don't
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  know. Possibly a bourbon cream.
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  Scottish Did you already pronounce that then a Bourbon?
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  Cream. The rest of the country calls
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  them Bourbons, but yeah. Oh, he goes with the casual
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  racism already. Because I don't know.
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  God's sakes. Well, talking of casual racism,
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  let's go and watch William Hartnell, shall we?
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  I will count this into you. Can you all see the screen?
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  That's that's the most. Important Yes, I go the.
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  Music of. What I am going to count as in
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  then in 54321 and off we go with sound which we shouldn't have.
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  There we go. There we are.
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  So Lee, please will you just enlighten the the listeners
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  which just with the sheer depths of research that you have done
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  for this? I like thank you before wish
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  that they called my job leaves me if a lot of spare time in my
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  hands. So the last week I've watched
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  the episodes, watched the episodes again with the
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  production notes, listened to the commentary, read the target
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  book as well just to encompass everything.
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  So I think I'm prepared. I think I'm ready to.
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  Go bloody. Well, now look, you see this,
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  this opening shot here? This aerial shot of London?
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  Yeah, yeah, these are these are shots that 1980s Doctor Who
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  would die for. How did they forget to make
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  Doctor Who as the decades went on?
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  I like the subtitle metallic thrumming.
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  Oh, they do. Some wonderful ones on the BBC
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  iPlayer and this is on the BBC iPlayer now available to
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  everybody. I remember going to see metallic
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  thrumming in 1980. 4 Is that right?
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  Yeah. Do you have a Do you have a
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  story about that? No, it's not.
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  Just not so funny, you're thinking.
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  Of Oh, fair enough, Fair enough. Sorry.
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  So we've cut here, but actually, no.
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  Do you know what I'm going to ask you straight out, Lee, why
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  is this your favorite story? Please give a a categorical
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  reason as to why you would choose this above all the
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  others. I think a major part of it is,
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  well, there's two major parts to that.
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  Belling and Pauley are among my favorite companions in Doctor
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  Who, for reasons I'll get into a little bit later on when it's or
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  not. But the main thing is I'm a
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  sucker for anything that has location footage, especially if
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  it's set in 1960s London. Like one of my favorite films is
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  the Up Chris file, which is stuffed full of beautiful shots
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  of the Albert Hall and all that sort of thing.
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  So every time I go down to London, I tend to stay in Good
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  St. which is just around the corner from the BTA built the
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  Post Office Tower as it was then.
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  So most of the locations in this episode are streets I've walked.
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  So it's kind of like a personal Doctor Who to me.
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  I've been to the locations, I've walked to the streets, not
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  bumped in any of our machines. I'm still here to tell the tale,
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  but I just love that it's setting contemporarily London
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  for the time, the first time that ever really happens in
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  Doctor Who. It's just a real.
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  Big Avengers fan, you're not The Avengers.
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  I'm a big fan of the Diana Riggers that were last three CS,
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  but like Steve and misses Peel, that's my Avengers hero.
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  So I can see why you're saying that, because this is very much
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  Doctor Who in The Avengers age, isn't it?
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  Way and like if you want 1960s location work that looks
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  gorgeous, that's where you got to go, right?
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  That's absolutely bloody gorgeous in there, weirdly
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  enough. The other week I was in London
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  with my other half and we saw the post office tower, and then
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  we just walked a couple of streets and he just stood by a
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  load of railings and and I walked on and he just stood
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  there, you know, looking a bit confusing.
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  Oh, what are you doing? I didn't have any clue where I
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  was, but we were exactly there, where the Doctor and the TARDIS
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  lands at the start of this. Story and.
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  I don't know why, but there is a certain free song when you are
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  at a Doctor Who location. That is, yeah.
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  We were talking about the Target book earlier on that I read.
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  Oh, sorry. If you want to ask him and you
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  go, no, no, no, go on. I'm just going to say it's kind
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  of relevant to the scene in this.
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  The doctor and doodle just sworn into the post office tower
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  unannounced. Get up to the top floor.
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  That high security operation is going on.
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  One of the best bets in the Target book is before they reach
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  this point. They go for a little coffee in a
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  cafe, and this is the most first doctor thing ever.
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  He forges documents to ensure that he gets into the building,
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  but he uses Ian Chesterton's name so it's like it's basically
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  trashed if former companion's career as a scientist because
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  he's sworn in India, but he's got no fucking right to be and
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  he's going to take it up. I think it might have been in a
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  camera script and it got cut, but it's definitely a novel.
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  But just love the idea that he's wily enough to forge the
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  document and his pals name. Just think.
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  Get what he wants. Says you're not wrong.
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  He does. Just walk into the post office
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  tower and go, well, I'm Doctor Who.
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  You know, scientist. Show me your top secret computer
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  projects. I've just noticed that.
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  I was kind of wondering is like going how the hell did they get
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  up here? They're just we're just kind of
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  like being invited in. So CAB, allow us to introduce
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  you to the the new supercomputer vote ad that's behind them
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  there. Ah, OK.
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  It's going to do this incredible thing.
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  It's going to link up computers all over the world and like a
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  super information highway. Oh, right.
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  OK, Will operating thought analogue.
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  Wow. Sounds crazy, didn't?
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  It OK, that's incredible. It's not the first time Doctor
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  has preempted. Would you?
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  What's there? Some form of the Internet.
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  It never makes mistakes. Foreshadowing.
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  Foreshadowing. I think it was his infancy is A
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  at least a concept, if not a actual operational thing.
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  Maybe in a rudimentary form it was around but.
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  I really should have done your levels of research for this.
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  That's probably something worth looking into.
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  I bet the fellow that did this for the The Black Archive, I bet
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  he knew what they were that the answer to that question.
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  I can ask the publisher. He lives two doors down from me.
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  Is that right? I can see his shade of
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  operations from my back window. Tell him I'm available at any
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  time. I'll pass on your, I'll pass on
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  your comments. I tell you, love this, This is
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  wonderful. This is Doctor Who doing, you
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  know, the the latest in scientific equipment and the
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  information comes out on an old fashioned typewriter.
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  It's. Beautiful.
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  Here we go. Let's have a little bit of an
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  eye glass going on that. Oh no.
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  Oh, this is one of his line trips here where he has to try
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  and get the the numbers out properly and he sort of goes
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  149. No, just read it.
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  It's on the bloody sheet in front of you.
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  Just read it now. We've not seen the script.
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  We don't know it. Just make it up.
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  I'm going to ask Cam dodo yay or nay as I.
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  Say Hartnell's patch. You have not got much experience
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  to do it, to be honest with you. She has.
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  To kind of like gunfighters. No, never seen the gunfighters.
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  Oh mate, you're missing out some great stuff.
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  Here, I know, I know, I know, I know.
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  It's a definite kind of gap in my knowledge of Doctor Who, this
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  kind of era. I'm rather so.
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  Why would a Doctor Who fans screaming at me now?
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  Why am I not Doctor Who podcast? I haven't seen this, you know.
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  If the next Doctor Who season you do should be season one or
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  season 2, just to fill in some of the gaps.
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  We were kind of heading towards that for a little while, were we
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  not? Lately yeah there was a heading
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  but we're going to but I think we're thinking about seen this
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  one because that's the most complete but in two of this is
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  yeah but. Two episodes, I think.
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  It's not many, Is it? In two?
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  Yeah, I think Crusade's the only one It's missing from 2:00.
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  Well, there seems to be there. Here's something that the two of
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  you I'm sure can agree on. Annika Wills has just turned up
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  as the sexy and sultry 60s babe Polly.
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  And oh look at this, Leah suddenly smiling like a Gibbon.
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  Why is that Leah? Why is that?
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  The evidence is on screen in front of you, Jacob.
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  Oh no. Geez, she's gorgeous, isn't she?
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  What on earth was she doing slumming it in Doctor Who?
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  Yeah, we are in the hottest nightspot in town, isn't it?
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  So this is this is Doctor Who in the Inferno nightclub.
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  Now she's taking Dodo for a night out on the town.
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  Oh well. Yeah, and amongst some of the
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  oldest teenagers you've ever seen in your life, I.
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  Was going to say they're all like at least touching 30,
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  aren't they? But what I love about this is,
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  is you don't do this in the 60s, not too very often.
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  You don't do contemporary Earth like like you said.
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  And you, They never do the swing in 60s, do they?
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  Really? That is the first example.
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  There's a scene in a cafe in the Evil of the Dialects where
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  there's some, like Beatles music playing.
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  Well, I think that's about it. That is about it.
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  Go on, you were going to say then?
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  I was going to say you've asked this about Polly, So Ben Jackson
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  Clarkson, Time Media is on Scream.
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  You can answer this, Joe. Why?
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  What is what is it with Ben Jackson?
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  Because a lot of our listeners love Ben Jackson, and not just
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  in a romantic sense. It seems very popular.
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  Can I ask what demographic those bands of the Polish box are?
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  They may be of the homosexual oh.
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  Fair. OK, I mean, look at look at the
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  pair of them. I mean, I'll be jumping in that
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  TARDIS quicker than you can say Russell ONS rods.
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  They're bloody gorgeous. He has a good looking fellow.
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  He's a no, but he's a cockney as well, you know, I mean, he's not
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  really a bad boy, but, you know, he gets into a fight in a bar in
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  a minute. Yeah, you would.
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  Honestly, look, they're drinking coffee.
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  There's no alcohol on the BBC. And Doctor Who, because you've
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  only really got what, Ben and maybe Jamie.
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  I mean, if you're if you're going after Rodrick, then you're
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  really scraping the bottom of the bottle there.
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  So you've got a lot of choice, have you?
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  I do. Because we've.
• 19:44
  Got. You know, bar fun.
• 19:47
  They're diseased people, but I do know people that fancy Adric
• 19:50
  oh. God.
• 19:53
  It's. Wrong.
• 19:54
  Yeah. See, I love all this stuff.
• 19:55
  I love the fight in the bar. All of this.
• 19:58
  None of this is like your normal Doctor Who in the 1960s, is it?
• 20:02
  It's like an episode. Of I do like the line that gives
• 20:04
  them. Go and play with your toy boat
• 20:05
  stuff thing. What was the police show?
• 20:09
  Dixon and Doc Green. It's more like that, isn't it?
• 20:11
  It's well for that kind of show. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:14
  It's got touches of that. It's very sort of Adam Adamant
• 20:18
  as well, because you've got this man out of time kicking about
• 20:20
  contemporary London, isn't it? So, So I guess especially
• 20:25
  partners get up as well, It's fab gear.
• 20:28
  Well, he just walks straight into the post office tower, you
• 20:31
  know, as we owned it. Now he's going to walk into the
• 20:33
  scientific circle as if he owns the place.
• 20:37
  He's not short of a bit of nerve, is he?
• 20:39
  William Hartnell. That's fine in Chester said.
• 20:42
  It was fine. Do you know what I'm going to
• 20:44
  tell you A bit of trivia that's so geeky.
• 20:48
  Only somebody that's read all those books in the 90s, you
• 20:51
  know, the Dylan Reeses of this world would know.
• 20:53
  But have any of you read the book?
• 20:54
  Who killed Kennedy? Where you're going?
• 20:57
  Oh no. No.
• 20:58
  Oh, where did you think I was going?
• 21:02
  Well, it's going to say Charles Summers is on screen right now.
• 21:05
  His son is Michael Pickwood, who designed Pierre Capaldi and Matt
• 21:09
  Smith's TARDIS in the new series.
• 21:11
  I did not know that. Yeah, right.
• 21:15
  And probably the best, the sexiest Tardis of all time.
• 21:20
  Oh yeah, Bases. Come on.
• 21:24
  Now what I was going to say was there's a book called Who Killed
• 21:27
  Kennedy? Written by David Bishop, which
• 21:30
  is told entirely from the point of view of a reporter who
• 21:36
  appears in about 8 separate Doctor Who stories through the
• 21:39
  First, Second, and Third Doctor's era.
• 21:43
  And somehow he manages to make a character in all of these random
• 21:48
  scenes in these stories, be that person and that man who's
• 21:51
  talking right now, the the guy with the Dickie bow and the pad.
• 21:55
  In his hand. That is him from that book.
• 21:58
  OK, that just goes to show the depths that Doctor Who fans will
• 22:01
  go to to tie things up. Who?
• 22:04
  Continuity. That one supporting character
• 22:09
  from that one episode in 1966? All brick springs up from them.
• 22:14
  That's great. So I've got to ask you how how's
• 22:18
  this fairing so far as an episode one?
• 22:21
  I'm a big fan of probably the most 60s subtitle we've had so
• 22:25
  far, which is Give him a Buzz, There's There's a chap.
• 22:31
  Big fan of that. Do you prefer?
• 22:34
  This is a bit of a general question.
• 22:36
  Do you prefer stories but are set on Earth, or do you prefer
• 22:41
  getting off out into our space? I'd.
• 22:43
  Say I prefer sort of the outer space stuff because it kind of
• 22:46
  leaves a bit sort of more room for imagination, a little bit,
• 22:50
  sort of get a bit wild and wacky I'd say if I was pushed between
• 22:54
  the two. But then you know, I've, I, I am
• 22:59
  quite a fan of, you know sort of remembrance of the Darks, one of
• 23:01
  my sort of first Doctor Who stories that I ever watched on
• 23:03
  telly. So that's obviously kind of
• 23:05
  Earth set. So do you reckon?
• 23:07
  Yes, I'd say, Jim. You launched A meteoric defence
• 23:11
  of time in the run you set on Lacocia once.
• 23:14
  I did, I did, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:15
  It was. It was a wonderful, wonderful
• 23:17
  occasion. You had no objection to the
• 23:20
  reptile people, the pig sky, all of that.
• 23:23
  No, no, no, no, no. It's all the imagination.
• 23:26
  It's all good. It's all good.
• 23:27
  And insane supercomputers trying to take over the world.
• 23:31
  Is that your bag? That's it's it's it's the best
• 23:34
  kind of supercomputer. What?
• 23:35
  What? What would you have a
• 23:36
  supercomputer for if it's not going to turn to ignore the
• 23:38
  world? I'll be honest with you, the way
• 23:40
  we're going with AI at the moment, I don't think this is
• 23:43
  too improbable. Yeah, I was going to say it's
• 23:45
  quite no robbing today isn't that artificial intelligence
• 23:47
  taking over? So yeah, he is all I'm seeing
• 23:50
  the. Circles on the screen.
• 23:50
  There's also some sort of hypnosis going on.
• 23:53
  Yeah, evil chocker blocks gone though.
• 23:55
  That's that is so sexy, though is right.
• 23:57
  The hypnosis, the wibbly effect. People staring straight at the
• 24:00
  screen. Frustrating.
• 24:02
  I will not be taken over. All right, then.
• 24:05
  I'm alone. Yes.
• 24:09
  Aye, aye, aye. I thought we'd had a technical
• 24:13
  difficulty then, Do you know? Back to the Inferno.
• 24:17
  The adverts look at the dancing that's going on there in the
• 24:20
  Inferno Club. They're all drinking coffee.
• 24:24
  That's coffee. They're all drinking.
• 24:28
  Tell me another thing I found out about the Inferno Club.
• 24:30
  You know, when they're there, they first come in.
• 24:32
  The music it's playing is by a guy called Alan Hawksworth, and
• 24:35
  he's done fight theme tunes sitcoms like George and Mildred,
• 24:40
  but he is responsible for the perhaps the greatest piece of
• 24:43
  music ever created by a human being.
• 24:45
  You can forget your Sergeant Peppers.
• 24:47
  You can disregard Beethoven's Fifth, Allen wrote.
• 24:51
  The Thames Ident Jingle well. What the hell is that?
• 24:56
  So you know them, so no, but it's known before.
• 24:58
  Like see if your minder comes on and you've got a little ident
• 25:01
  for whichever region of ITV it is.
• 25:04
  Oh the. One that goes.
• 25:09
  Yeah, that's the one one of his man.
• 25:12
  And actually I love the. George Piece of music ever
• 25:14
  created by mankind. The George and Mildred theme
• 25:17
  shoot is great as well. Do you remember that one?
• 25:23
  I love it. I love it.
• 25:26
  OK, Lee, I've got a question for you as as somebody who knows
• 25:29
  this story very well. Michael Ferguson directs this
• 25:33
  story and I think he is one of the most stylish directors that
• 25:37
  Doctor Whoever captured. Do you agree with that
• 25:41
  assessment? Absolutely.
• 25:42
  You watch The War Machines. We have come a long way from
• 25:45
  Richard Martin directing episode one of The web Planet where
• 25:48
  there was ball achingly decimal shot in an entirety of Doctor
• 25:55
  Who when Vicky gets possessed and is dragged from the TARDIS.
• 25:59
  And it's just one static shot for which feels like about 10
• 26:03
  minutes. There's no flare, there's no
• 26:05
  attempt to inject any sort of drama.
• 26:08
  It's just flat. Michael Ferguson just nails us
• 26:12
  entirely. It's even though the
• 26:14
  construction of certain shots, rather than having people in a
• 26:16
  lane, there are various kind of depths to each other.
• 26:19
  The action sequences that we're going to see later on.
• 26:22
  It's fast, it's exciting. It does a brilliant job on this.
• 26:26
  Well, this one's something like a crazy thing to say, but some
• 26:29
  of the directors in the 60s weren't doing this.
• 26:31
  He shoots up, he shoots down. You know, he moves the camera.
• 26:35
  Like you said, a lot of Richard Martin stuff's just done in like
• 26:38
  mid shots and long shots. It's all it's all a bit
• 26:41
  embarrassed, it's all a bit sort of panto.
• 26:44
  It's pretty much what let's do, isn't it?
• 26:46
  You know this? Actually feels like a a
• 26:48
  considered TV production to me, yeah.
• 26:51
  More hypnosis started. I'm just going.
• 26:53
  I'm just commenting as we go all up.
• 26:55
  More hypnosis. Here we go.
• 26:56
  Look at this. It's that whole thing is the
• 26:58
  usual contact has been made. What Botan is trying to do is,
• 27:02
  is take over all the key players from the post office tower and
• 27:06
  the scientific research. So he takes over this bunch
• 27:09
  first that will administer to his needs and then obviously he
• 27:12
  goes for Dodo because actually what he wants is the Doctor.
• 27:16
  So she's it's a wonderful scene in episode 2 Just Your Way,
• 27:19
  where she tries to lure him down a back alley where there's a
• 27:22
  fellow waiting with a load of chloroform to take him out and
• 27:25
  and hypnotize him, but it all goes horribly.
• 27:27
  Wrong it's. Great.
• 27:29
  I've never had to explain the plot to people before.
• 27:31
  This is wonderful. I've never felt so.
• 27:35
  Because it's a wonderful episode of Doctor Who, Joe, that's why.
• 27:38
  Actually, I think it really, really is.
• 27:39
  But what I was going to say was like, I think this is the, the
• 27:42
  first point where we're pushing away from TV as theatre and we
• 27:48
  are entering the world of television itself.
• 27:52
  Yeah, Where? Because I think you look at a
• 27:53
  lot of the other work that's going on around Doctor Who at
• 27:55
  the time and like The Avengers and things like that, they are
• 27:59
  streets ahead at this point do. You like a little bit of water
• 28:02
  and trivia. Well, we're watching Dodo get
• 28:04
  out in the time. You jump in with trivia whenever
• 28:07
  you want, all right. That's what That's one's a
• 28:09
  Belter, right? We all we all know Margaret Hay,
• 28:11
  who has worked on Doctor Who for numerous years.
• 28:14
  From this point up till a bit snake dance, she's been like
• 28:17
  production assistant, assistant floor manager.
• 28:20
  That story is our first contribution to Doctor Who.
• 28:24
  But because she's only four foot six, the first thing they've
• 28:26
  done for her, rather than shadow the actual floor manager that
• 28:31
  was intended, they put her inside the water and she's so
• 28:35
  weak and got to rotate all the reels.
• 28:38
  I mean, you can imagine. You can imagine, imagine I'm
• 28:40
  selling the job to her. It's like great news.
• 28:41
  You're going to be working on the staff for Doctor Who.
• 28:44
  Yeah, you'll be shadowing the floor manager on this series,
• 28:46
  but you get to do the next one all by yourself.
• 28:49
  I just stay easy. I didn't vote.
• 28:50
  Get here. Would you mean standing in that
• 28:51
  big box for us? Don't ask why.
• 28:54
  Where the fuck did you glean that bit of trivia from?
• 28:57
  It's on the information text and the DVD, that's why I watched
• 29:00
  it. So are you telling me if I'm as
• 29:02
  I'm watching Woe's Hands, fabulous spinning reels going
• 29:05
  around, that's in fact Margaret Hayhoe in there?
• 29:08
  You know, Yep, some say. Some say it's some of our finest
• 29:12
  work. There was me thinking it was the
• 29:14
  most sophisticated piece of technology I've ever seen.
• 29:18
  I'm sorry I've shattered your illusions now.
• 29:20
  Powered by a hoe. Wow.
• 29:22
  Well, there we go. Oh, that's wonderful.
• 29:25
  I hope you've got more like that coming.
• 29:26
  I. Should have, probably.
• 29:30
  I probably have GET. The fanciest EI possible, but
• 29:32
  it's usually just someone spinning the discs.
• 29:35
  I mean, to be fair with Doctor Who, those those spinning reels,
• 29:39
  I mean, they're in the Green Death.
• 29:41
  I think they're in the Android invasion.
• 29:42
  They last a couple of decades. It's.
• 29:44
  Not going to spin in desk, you missed the bit where they they
• 29:46
  reference a certain DJ or is that still?
• 29:49
  Case. No, I no, I think it's still to
• 29:52
  come. Oh, OK, I'll get to that.
• 29:54
  Notice it this time, Yes. Why don't you ignore?
• 29:57
  Someone that's been arrested. Not quite arrested, no.
• 30:01
  They didn't get him in time. Oh, that one.
• 30:07
  Finally, he's on screen. Let's have a word for Professor
• 30:09
  Crimson, because this guy is great do.
• 30:13
  You not like the way Hartnell describes him?
• 30:15
  That little man Crimson. Where is that little man
• 30:18
  Crimson? The thing is, it does fussy,
• 30:22
  sort of flustered scientists, really Well.
• 30:24
  I mean, if it had been like the same character in the pair every
• 30:27
  years, it'd be this blustering buffoon and all, Oh no, no, you
• 30:30
  can't possibly do that, Doctor. But it's it's very sort of low
• 30:34
  key, very irritable in this. It's just really, really good.
• 30:36
  So she wouldn't see more of them.
• 30:37
  The trouble is though, right is now you can't really see this
• 30:40
  Cam because you ain't got no sound going on but.
• 30:43
  Yeah. They're giving very naturalistic
• 30:46
  performances until they're hypnotized, and then they've all
• 30:49
  become, you know, the most artificial robots you've ever
• 30:53
  heard, that if you even had one moment of dialogue with them,
• 30:56
  you'd go, Are you all right? Why are you talking like that?
• 30:59
  You know, like are. You well.
• 31:01
  And it actually does lean into something that I think is a big
• 31:04
  problem with science fiction in general.
• 31:06
  It's the second you ask any actor whether they are skilled
• 31:09
  or not, to be hypnotised. Generally speaking, it's just
• 31:15
  interminable. It's so embarrassing.
• 31:17
  Oh, here we go. Oh yes, you might not know it,
• 31:23
  but. The Doctor frequents the Inferno
• 31:24
  nightclub quite a lot. You look like that DJ, yes.
• 31:29
  And that DJ is Simon D No one else.
• 31:31
  It's Simon D. Oh, is it Gig your fab?
• 31:34
  Gear Oh my God, I'm just trying to go also for you think he
• 31:37
  looks like a notorious paedophile.
• 31:39
  Yeah, I. Mean.
• 31:41
  He does have a Savo look. Don't.
• 31:45
  He I love the information text on the DVD.
• 31:47
  They describe Savo and this really does.
• 31:49
  Data is white haired and eccentric, so it's obviously
• 31:52
  read before 2011. Oh yeah.
• 31:56
  Eccentric covers a multitude of sins.
• 32:00
  Oh, a lot. In this case, a lot.
• 32:04
  Now something is about to happen here.
• 32:05
  Keep an eye on the subtitles Cam because Botan wishes the doctors
• 32:11
  to be brought to him. And for the I think no, it's not
• 32:15
  only because there's one in the Highlands as well, but for one
• 32:17
  of the only times ever in the show he is referred to as Lee.
• 32:24
  Doctor Who? Oh OK, I like the way How Being
• 32:29
  Scottish the subtitle it just says humming can mean a
• 32:32
  multitude of things. Dodo's just.
• 32:35
  Looked in the room, they've not opened it.
• 32:37
  They've not opened the window in that office for months.
• 32:39
  You're right, it's absolutely humming.
• 32:40
  Lee, I can't help it out as you skating over the dodo subject.
• 32:44
  Oh no, Bob, I'm saving that for Episode 2.
• 32:47
  I'm coming. Don't you worry, I will make you
• 32:51
  look at this defence of that woman.
• 32:52
  You better make your point quick in episode 2, because she's not
• 32:55
  around for me. Oh, here we are.
• 32:59
  There you go. The end of episode.
• 33:00
  Oh, he's, he's even got, he's even got a little logo.
• 33:02
  Look, he's got a little W. He's far a bit of nothing.
• 33:06
  Well. They were, they were doing this
• 33:08
  sort of thing at the time, at the beginning of the 10th
• 33:10
  planet, you get sort of crosses and zeros in the title sequence,
• 33:15
  just they were, they were trying to jazz up the show a little
• 33:18
  bit, I think at this point. All right.
• 33:20
  I like that technically. I like it makes everything
• 33:22
  really, really fresh and you feel like you are watching a new
• 33:25
  show combined with all the location stuff makes it really
• 33:29
  stand out. What I'm going to like as we as
• 33:33
  we end Episode one is I'm going to do this at the end of every
• 33:37
  single episode just to put you on the spot, is how did you find
• 33:40
  that as an episode one of Doctor Who's story?
• 33:43
  Even sort of minus sound and just watching it on subtitles,
• 33:47
  it was quite good. I quite enjoyed that.
• 33:50
  It's the sort of thing It's like getting I'm thinking I'm
• 33:52
  thinking I will go back and watch this.
• 33:54
  I'm saying properly. That's not to disparage what
• 33:57
  we're doing here. Now but.
• 33:59
  But yeah, this this isn't bad. This isn't half bad.
• 34:03
  And Lee? Well, you know my feelings.
• 34:07
  It's the one of the finest 25 minutes of Doctor Who.
• 34:12
  I think what it is is. That's the first episode that's
• 34:14
  about. It it, it's a bit of a joke to
• 34:17
  the system because after three seasons of never ever going back
• 34:21
  to contemporary London, apart from a 5 minute scene at the end
• 34:24
  of the chase where Ian and Barbara just blow up a Dalek
• 34:27
  ship and get on a bus, it's like it's like the real world hits
• 34:32
  Doctor Who for the first time and we're just going to dive in
• 34:35
  and do nightclubs and scientific circles and the latest, you
• 34:40
  know, geographic masterpieces and supercomputers and all of
• 34:44
  that and good on them. I always say about the Hunter
• 34:48
  era that anything goes like they they pretty much they went
• 34:51
  everywhere and did anything. It doesn't matter if it's the
• 34:54
  corner of a studio in Lyme Grove.
• 34:56
  They'll take you all around the universe and they'll take you
• 34:59
  all around the world. Mexico, wherever Jaffa will take
• 35:03
  you everywhere. And this is this is them sort of
• 35:06
  jumping head first into into the swing in 60s and pulling it off.
• 35:10
  See. That's why I love 60s Talk
• 35:12
  through so much, because it's even right up to the end of
• 35:14
  Trout and they're still very much throwing things at a wall
• 35:16
  to see what sticks. It's not settled down in one
• 35:19
  particular format or part, and it's everything.
• 35:23
  Season to season. They try something new, they try
• 35:26
  something different, Never really settles down.
• 35:28
  And that's why I love the first two dog.
• 35:30
  There's so much and you know what's great to.
• 35:32
  Watch. You've got no one in the
• 35:33
  production team going, Can we do this?
• 35:37
  Are they going? Oh yeah.
• 35:39
  You know, don't worry. What's that?
• 35:40
  The planet Vortis with Ant people and and you know moths
• 35:44
  moth men flying around. Of course we can on ABBC budget.
• 35:48
  I think Richard Martin's available, you know.
• 35:52
  But it's like Peter Capaldi always says, don't judge it on
• 35:55
  the special effects, just judge it on the ambition.
• 35:58
  And they've got riddles of that. That's the only thing you should
• 36:00
  really measure it by how good, how high the ambition is.
• 36:04
  And that's what makes it so impressive.
• 36:06
  I think that's a wonderful note to end episode one on.
• 36:09
  Will you boys please come with me into Episode 2 to see what
• 36:13
  this delightful story has to offer?
• 36:14
  Don't. See why not.
• 36:16
  I'll come with you anywhere, Joe.
• 36:17
  You know that, OK. I'll cut it there.