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Tom Luginbill - Ole Miss vs. Louisville DEEP Dive · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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Speaker 1: Nationville college football analyst with the ESPN Tom Logan Bill
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Speaker 1: joins us on the Farm Bureau Insurance guest line. Luke's
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Speaker 1: a big game that we're going to be talking to
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Speaker 1: you about for several weeks now that it is officially
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Speaker 1: football season. Ole Miss and Louisville neutral field in Nashville.
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Speaker 1: I think it's spicy. It's got a lot going on
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Speaker 1: here with Pete Golding's debut in the regular season. Brom's
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Speaker 1: done a good job at Western Kentucky and Purdue and Louisville,
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Speaker 1: and but Louisville is break So here's the way I
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Speaker 1: frame it up, just real quick. Ole Miss has the
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Speaker 1: advantage as far as roster and quarterback. Louisville has the
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Speaker 1: advantage as far as head coach in Brom because he's
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Speaker 1: done a great job everywhere he's been. But you sent
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Speaker 1: me an interesting text a couple.
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Speaker 2: Of days ago.
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Speaker 1: Louisville will roll out Lincoln con Holts from an Ohio
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Speaker 1: State transfer or this guy from West Georgia who actually
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Speaker 1: started there and played. Con Holts doesn't have any PT
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Speaker 1: under his belt, so he could be going against a
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Speaker 1: Pete Golding defense. We think it's gonna be pretty damn
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Speaker 1: good at minimum in game one? What can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about Lincoln con Holts when we as we march
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Speaker 1: into this game, Luke's So.
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Speaker 2: I actually had the Cotton Bowl between Ohio State and
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Speaker 2: Missouri a couple of years ago. If you recall, comic
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Speaker 2: coord decided to go into the transfer portal. Ohio State
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Speaker 2: went with Devin Brown. Devin Brown gets hurt in that
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Speaker 2: game and Lincoln Keenholtz has to play as a freshman,
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Speaker 2: and you know, at that time, obviously you're playing against
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Speaker 2: the top fifteen ranked, top ten ranked team. I don't
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Speaker 2: know where Missouri was at that time, and Missouri ended
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Speaker 2: up winning the game, but it was just it was
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Speaker 2: an overwhelming experience for the young guy. And so, you know,
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Speaker 2: some background on him, the kid out of South Dakota,
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Speaker 2: and he was a what I would label as one
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Speaker 2: of those guys that was a really good athlete that
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Speaker 2: played quarterback. But he's one of those players from a
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Speaker 2: recruiting for if. He was intriguing because when you watched him,
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Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, this guy could play more than one position.
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Speaker 2: Let's try to develop him at quarterback and then see
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Speaker 2: how that plays out. And so you know, he stayed
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Speaker 2: competed there a little bit, and then you know, put
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Speaker 2: himself on the open market. What I found to be
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Speaker 2: so intriguing is, you know, Jeff Brohm was I think,
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Speaker 2: really diligent and smart with the three transfer portal guys
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Speaker 2: that he took a Louisville, starting with Jack Plummer right
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Speaker 2: then it went to Tyler Schotts, then it went to
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Speaker 2: Miller Moss. Now the combon denominator of all three of
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Speaker 2: those guys is that they had played a ton of football.
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Speaker 2: You know, they had been around and they'd seen the
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Speaker 2: live bullets flying by. And so now Jeff Brom's could
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Speaker 2: try to completely go another direction, and it's kind of
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Speaker 2: going into developmental mode where he might be playing with
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Speaker 2: one or two different quarterbacks that really haven't played any
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Speaker 2: significant football, which is a total deviation from his process
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Speaker 2: to this point. And I think if you've seen anything
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Speaker 2: in the transfer port of the last three to five years,
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Speaker 2: is there is significant value in experience, especially early on
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Speaker 2: when you got to take on an opponent like Old
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Speaker 2: Miss and they're going to have an experienced guy and
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Speaker 2: you're not. So I'm going to be very intrigued to
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Speaker 2: see how this thing plays out.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so Lincoln keen Holts for our listeners, especially our
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Speaker 1: Old Miss fans, transfer from Ohio State. He may be
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Speaker 1: the guy, but I did read a couple of articles
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Speaker 1: yesterday that Davin Widner from West Georgia actually had a
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Speaker 1: better spring game than him, and he actually played all
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Speaker 1: those games at West Georgia last year. Even though keen
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Speaker 1: Holtz is the bigger name. We'll kind of see what
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Speaker 1: plays out. Luke's let's stay on Louisville and Old Miss
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Speaker 1: and anything else you can mine on keen Holtz as
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Speaker 1: we go back and forth, Please drop it. But Brom,
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Speaker 1: he's intriguing to me because he did a hell of
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Speaker 1: a job at wen Kentucky. He was able to go
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Speaker 1: into the hell hole of Purdue and get out. A
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Speaker 1: lot of times you just go to get paid, which
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Speaker 1: Bury Otam may be doing, and I get that too,
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Speaker 1: But he was able to go to Purdue and win
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Speaker 1: his way out and get to his alma mater. And
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Speaker 1: I think he's told some people know because it is
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Speaker 1: his alma mater. Although they're not a football school. Size
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Speaker 1: it up for me. I think Jeff Brohm is a
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Speaker 1: damn good football coach. How do you see it Lukes.
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Speaker 2: He is a really good football coach. And I think
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Speaker 2: the thing that people don't realize about the Louisville job
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Speaker 2: is while everybody's in the red right now in the
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Speaker 2: current state of college athletics, Louisville will invest in football.
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Speaker 2: Louisville got it been tastic football operations facility, an indoor facility.
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Speaker 2: They've done renovations for the stadium multiple occasions over the
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Speaker 2: last fifteen years. It's a good job. The downside of
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Speaker 2: the job is you don't have in state talent from
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Speaker 2: a high school recruiting perspective to just build your roster
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Speaker 2: without having a cross borders. They've got to go into
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Speaker 2: other people's backyards. But now with the transfer portal, you
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Speaker 2: know that that's not as significant as it as it
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Speaker 2: once was. If you recall back when Charlie Strong was
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Speaker 2: the coach there, you know, all of those guys that
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Speaker 2: they had, particularly on offense, were from South Florida, all right,
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Speaker 2: and so including Teddy Bridgewater, and so I think that
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Speaker 2: he's really happy there because from a conference affiliation standpoint,
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Speaker 2: they can compete. They've competed from the moment they joined it.
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Speaker 2: You know, they haven't been able to get into that
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Speaker 2: championship level, you know, compete to be in the championship
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Speaker 2: game consistently yet. But I do think it's the job
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Speaker 2: that has some patience, which is a good thing, and
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Speaker 2: it's a job that does have resources, even though you
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Speaker 2: know it's largely considered a basketball school.
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Speaker 1: Are they now in this new you mentioned the transfer
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Speaker 1: porty they finished in the top ten, so so he
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Speaker 1: you're right there. They gave Brohm and his staff money
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Speaker 1: Luke's to go shop for players because you don't ever
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Speaker 1: know how good they'll be, but they were able to
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Speaker 1: land some players with some pretty good pedigrees and finish
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Speaker 1: in the top ten in the in the portal rankings.
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Speaker 1: Do you see him as a guy that because that's
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Speaker 1: his alma mater, he's willing to stay there for a while.
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, if he continues to win and
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Speaker 2: maybe even elevated, you know further, then there's gonna be
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Speaker 2: some some places I think they would would be knocking
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Speaker 2: on the door where if you're if you're looking at
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Speaker 2: it from a national competitive standpoint, you'd have to consider overtures.
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Speaker 2: If a job comes around where you know your resources
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Speaker 2: and your funding, particularly on the nil side, administratively where
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Speaker 2: they're just one under sent all in on football. And
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Speaker 2: that's not to say that Louisville's not, but there's gonna
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Speaker 2: be some jobs that would be more attractive from that regard.
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Speaker 2: Then I think you have you have to listen now.
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Speaker 2: I think he needs to get in the a SEC
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Speaker 2: Championship game. I think he needs to put together some
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Speaker 2: ten plus win seasons to really become that guy that
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Speaker 2: somebody would target. But I just think you have to
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Speaker 2: in today's climate, you have to always be looking at
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Speaker 2: that because the expectation, right is that, Okay, well we
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Speaker 2: want to compete for a college football playoff Berth. Well,
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Speaker 2: in order to do that, you have to have everything
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Speaker 2: in your back pocket to be able to do that.
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Speaker 2: And you know there are other jobs out there, you know,
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Speaker 2: Like I look at the Penn State job in Matt Campbell,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I think Jeff Brown would have got
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Speaker 2: oh sorry about that guy, that's my dog.
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Speaker 1: Somebody got excited about Penn State. I like that. I
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Speaker 1: love it. Sorry man, No, you're good. Out of bounds.
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Speaker 1: ESPN one oh five nine The Zone. Tom Lougan Bill
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Speaker 1: says Penn State and his dogs get all fired up.
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Speaker 1: So they liked something about Penn State this year.
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Speaker 3: Luke's go ahead, Yeah, yeah, I just I think that's,
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Speaker 3: you know, that's the job that would be kind of
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Speaker 3: in line with the conversation that we're having, right is Okay,
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Speaker 3: where where would.
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Speaker 2: The resources be that could get you to be a
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Speaker 2: consistent college football playoff contender each and every year? And
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Speaker 2: I think it's those the jobs It would you know,
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Speaker 2: probably lure a guy like Jeff Brohm to consider leaving.
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Speaker 2: But other than that, I think he's got a great
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Speaker 2: situation there.
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Speaker 1: All right, we were talking Ole Miss and Louisville. Uh,
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Speaker 1: ole Miss could be facing Lincoln Keenholtz, who's a transfer
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Speaker 1: from Ohio State and hasn't really ever played at the
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Speaker 1: college level. That bodes well for Old Miss. Lukes, What
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Speaker 1: did you think about the way I framed it up.
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Speaker 1: I look at it like Ole Miss has the advantage
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Speaker 1: as far as roster, they have the advantage as far
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Speaker 1: as quarterback, and not that Golding's not a good coach,
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Speaker 1: but Louisville has the advantage as far as head coach
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Speaker 1: because brom has over ten years of head coaching experience
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Speaker 1: at Western Kentucky, Purdue, and Louisville and has a proven
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Speaker 1: track record with all three. What do you think about
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Speaker 1: the way I framed up that game.
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Speaker 2: No, I think that's fair. I think it's valid. I
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Speaker 2: also think that they will likely play the West Georgia
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Speaker 2: kids because he's played and he's played well, He's played
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Speaker 2: at a high level. It gives them a better chance
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Speaker 2: than the opener to have somebody that has has been
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Speaker 2: in gains and seen significant snaps. You know, I think
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Speaker 2: the thing about Jeff Brom if you've watched Louisville is
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Speaker 2: you know they're they're always creative on offense. They are
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Speaker 2: they are going to be well coached, they will be
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Speaker 2: well prepared. Old Miss will probably top to bottom have
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Speaker 2: better players, which I would take that over anything else. Yes,
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Speaker 2: the quarterback position for role Miss gives them, I think,
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Speaker 2: distinct advantages over gain preparation from the other head coach.
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Speaker 1: How do you see Louisville in the your doubt in
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Speaker 1: the a CC you started at quarterback in the ACC.
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Speaker 1: Where do you put Louisville? Are they in your tier two?
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Speaker 1: Kind of in the a CEC right now, Luke's I
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Speaker 1: think that their tier two probably blended tier.
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Speaker 2: One, you know, they've kind of been in the top
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Speaker 2: five pack over the last couple of years. You know,
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Speaker 2: when when you consider, okay, you know, a team like Clemson,
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Speaker 2: but then you in a team like Miami. I mean,
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Speaker 2: obviously they haven't been in that class, but they've been
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Speaker 2: kind of similar to what SMU has become in a
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Speaker 2: short period of time in that conference. But I would
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Speaker 2: say that they've gone past Florida State and becoming more
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Speaker 2: stable and more productive and more reliable from an on
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Speaker 2: field product each and every week. And I think that,
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Speaker 2: you know, they're probably in that same group with MC
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Speaker 2: State and SMU as I mentioned, I don't think I
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Speaker 2: think they're they're further along than Virginia and North Carolina.
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Speaker 2: Probably similar in terms of on field production to what
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Speaker 2: Duke has been over the last you know, at least
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Speaker 2: since Mike Elko got there and then departed now under
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Speaker 2: Manny Diaz. So now you're probably putting them in the
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Speaker 2: top five or sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Tom Logan Bill on ESPN one oh five, done
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Speaker 1: the zone driven by your next GMC Sierra truck at
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Speaker 1: Fowler GMC Pearl, Brandon Dabo Sweeney. I know I love
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Speaker 1: asking you this periodically because I know. I mean, no
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Speaker 1: one in college football was more locked into Clemson for
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Speaker 1: a ten year run like you were because of where
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Speaker 1: you live, being a national college football guy all that,
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Speaker 1: and when when when Venables and Scott and la and
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Speaker 1: all those guys were going through and they were winning
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Speaker 1: all that, you were right there. Do you think Dabbo
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Speaker 1: can ever bottle the magic again at Clemson or he's
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Speaker 1: already a Hall of Fame coach but his best is
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Speaker 1: in the rearview mirror.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think they've got access to the same type
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Speaker 2: of player that they've always had access to. The landscape
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Speaker 2: has chanced. They've fought it right, they've pushed back, they
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Speaker 2: haven't kind of fallen in line, and really it might
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Speaker 2: have beenion truly accepted, Okay, this is the new world order,
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Speaker 2: and if we don't get in, you know, we're gonna
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Speaker 2: struggle to get back to that pinnacle. I do think
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Speaker 2: there's some validity.
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Speaker 3: In that.
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Speaker 2: High school recruiting. I don't think has really shifted for them.
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Speaker 2: I think they've done a great job there. Their player
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Speaker 2: development has always been very strong. Their player retention has
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Speaker 2: for the most part, been very strong. I gotta be
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Speaker 2: honest with you, if I just oversimplified it here. They've
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Speaker 2: missed on quarterbacks back to back, and remember they had
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Speaker 2: like a nine year run between Taj Boyd, Deshaun Watson,
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Speaker 2: you could even throw Kelly Bryant in there, and then
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Speaker 2: of course Trevor Lawrence where they nailed the quarterback position,
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Speaker 2: and then they flopped big on DJ Luiangola. And I
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Speaker 2: think there were very mixed results with Kate Klubnick, who
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Speaker 2: at times looked like he's going to be a pretty
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Speaker 2: good player, but could never sustain it, could never elevate it.
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Speaker 2: And I think that has set them back as much
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Speaker 2: as anything else. And what's going to be interesting. I
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Speaker 2: think all eyes are going to be on Chrismasina because
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Speaker 2: Clemson chose not to go in the transfer portal and
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Speaker 2: supplement the quarterback room. Now they bring Chad Morris back
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Speaker 2: from an offensive coordinator perspective, I think that will be
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Speaker 2: a positive. He In Dabbo, I think have always been
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Speaker 2: on the same page, but they're they're going to ride
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Speaker 2: Christmas in a based off of a very small stamples
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Speaker 2: start last year. But they must have saw something that
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Speaker 2: they really liked that they thought it could be the
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Speaker 2: answer for him. But that position more than anything else.
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Speaker 2: Is I think been directly related to what you know.
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Speaker 2: Their slip has been on the field.
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Speaker 1: Tom Lougan Bill with the ESPN joining us on the
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Speaker 1: out of bounds ship is let's go back to Trinidad Chambliss.
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Speaker 1: Is he about faring away the best decision maker at
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the SEC?
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Speaker 2: I think he's in the discussion. I would say that
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Speaker 2: arch Manning is certainly in the discussion when it comes
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Speaker 2: to just pure decision making. I think that Trinidad, as
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Speaker 2: far as decision making, is probably proven to be more
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Speaker 2: consistent than John Mattier at Oklahoma. You know, Gunner Stockton
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Speaker 2: has been a guy that's been uber consistent for Georgia.
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Speaker 2: Probably doesn't get the credit he's due until we see
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Speaker 2: Leonora Stellers take the game to the next level, which
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are expecting will happen
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Speaker 2: in this fall. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: He's been more productive and consistent than Leonora's sellers, so
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Speaker 2: I think I think it's fair to make that assessment.
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Speaker 2: You know, we don't know yet. With Auburn and USF
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Speaker 2: transfer Byron Brown, although he's been super productive when he
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Speaker 2: was he was playing for the Bulls, and obviously he's
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Speaker 2: got a great relationship with his head coach, so there's
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Speaker 2: gonna be some continuity there. Well, we don't know yet
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Speaker 2: on Alabama. As I've said to you before with LSU
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Speaker 2: and Lane Kiffin, it's not about sam Levitt's ability. It's
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Speaker 2: about Sam Levitt's ability to stay healthy. Right, That's going
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Speaker 2: to be something we got to keep a real close
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Speaker 2: eye on. So I think Trinidad Chambliss is probably the
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Speaker 2: most complete player when it comes to having to defend
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Speaker 2: his arm and his legs. When it comes to decisions,
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Speaker 2: he's really good at being disciplined from within the pocket
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Speaker 2: and and not taken off unless he has to. I
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Speaker 2: think that's part of the decision making. It's not just
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Speaker 2: progressions and passing game reads. It's known when to flush
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Speaker 2: no and when to hang in there, knowing when the
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Speaker 2: play's broken down you've got to you know, you've got
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Speaker 2: a playoff platform. Now, that's probably where he has an
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Speaker 2: advantage over others.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to what you hit on earlier
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Speaker 1: with Jeff Brohm and Louisville and him going with an
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Speaker 1: inexperienced QB. It looks like Lane is absolutely not going
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Speaker 1: to do that in this new way, this of college football.
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Speaker 1: He's going to go and get somebody who's got big
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Speaker 1: time reps underneath his belt. How much risk is Kaitlin
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Speaker 1: de Boor and Alabama taken by kind of waiting on
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Speaker 1: and rolling out Keelan Russell and or Austin Mack, neither
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Speaker 1: who had played. I know Austin has waited, has bided
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Speaker 1: his time, but still Bama wants to win now and
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Speaker 1: getting punked by Indiana is not what they want, even
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Speaker 1: though they got into the second round of the college
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Speaker 1: football playoffs. How much risk is that for Kaylen to
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Speaker 1: Boor in Alabama?
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Speaker 2: Luke's I actually think it's minimal. And I say that
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Speaker 2: because I don't think it was a great trends for
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Speaker 2: portal quarterback class top to bottom. Okay, And and you
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Speaker 2: know when you've got guys like Keilan Russell, who they've
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Speaker 2: invested in and developed and is really really talented, more
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Speaker 2: talented than Austin Mack and a little bit more dynamic,
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Speaker 2: I think. But Austin Mack too has been in that system.
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Speaker 2: He's been in that program. They know what they're going
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Speaker 2: to get out of him. I think you're weighing risk
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Speaker 2: by saying, Okay, do we go out and get an
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Speaker 2: unknown who has or has not played, especially if we're
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Speaker 2: not in love with anybody. But we got these two
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Speaker 2: guys here that we know an awful lot about, that
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Speaker 2: we think are talented. It can take the next step.
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Speaker 2: I also think that retooling the offensive line, getting new
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Speaker 2: leadership from a from a coaching perspective, that's going to
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Speaker 2: play a big role for Alabama too. They can't they
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Speaker 2: can't do what they did last year where they go
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Speaker 2: into every single game and everybody in the stadium knows
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Speaker 2: that they can't run the football, right, that's just that.
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Speaker 2: That's not now when you have a guy like Ty
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Speaker 2: Simpson that could they could compensate for that because he
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Speaker 2: was really really good, and I would argue really really
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Speaker 2: good considering that he kind of had to do it
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Speaker 2: all on his own, you know, that was kind of
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Speaker 2: an eraser for them. But with limited experience, you may
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Speaker 2: not necessarily have that. So the run game I think
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Speaker 2: is every bit as pivotal to the development of those
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks and how fast they come along is anything else.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Having said that, like we have con I've only
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Speaker 1: got a minute. We have confidence in Georgia, LSU, maybe Texas,
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Speaker 1: possibly Old Miss. Do you think Alabama can be there
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Speaker 1: in the hunt in the end in mid to late
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Speaker 1: November with one of those two quarterbacks.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, because I think they're loaded on defense. They're going
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Speaker 2: to be really good on that side of the football.
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Speaker 2: They've got targets, they've got running back. I mean, the
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Speaker 2: quarterback and the offensive line is going to be is
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Speaker 2: going to be the question that needs to be answered.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think necessarily because of how good they're
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Speaker 2: going to be on defense, that the quarterback has to
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Speaker 2: be a superhero. I think the quarterback has to not
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Speaker 2: screw it up right, just take the plays that are
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Speaker 2: there to be made, make the routine plays routinely, and
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Speaker 2: as you grow and blossom, you put more on that
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Speaker 2: quarterback's plate, and then you start to ask more of
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Speaker 2: them as he becomes more and more comfortable. But they've
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Speaker 2: got components around the quarterback in my opinion, that will
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Speaker 2: allow them to work through the development of the quarterback
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Speaker 2: because they're going to be They're gonna be talented and
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Speaker 2: deep around them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I know this is ridiculous to say, but I
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Speaker 1: love just saying it. Bama is the sleeper question mark
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Speaker 1: love it. Okay. I had somebody else's tied into the
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