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#306 - For Azeroth!: “Undermine(d)” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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The game is dying, the only way to fix it is to scream with the
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doves. And if I don't complain how will
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it ever get better? I just want the game to be
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better. I can't believe they're
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releasing a drive system Manny. I wish they would take that dev
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time and put it into building a new zone and maybe a new
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dungeon. Why don't you just build
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Warcraft? For Lauderon for the Karen tour.
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For. Pandaria for Calendar to the
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burning region, for Gilnaeus or has not died, for the Lich King,
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for the Sindori, for the Alliance for the Horn for
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Azeroth. Editing Manny here.
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John and I recorded this shortly after the Wow Cast, and our
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responses are from there. Since that, there's been a
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deluge of information, most of it actually confirming what we
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talked about in this episode. But just for a reference, this
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is going purely off of what we saw in the Wow Cast episode.
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We'll be back in 2025. See you soon.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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Happy Holidays for all of you who are celebrating holidays at
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this time. This will be the last official
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episode, but we will be releasing some specials over the
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course of, you know, heading into the new year and such
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before we come back in 2025. Of course my name is Manny AKA
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the true villain. Manny Lexus is already on her
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way to spend time with family. You know the blessing or curse
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that that may be depending on on earth situation.
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But I am joined of course by Sean.
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Hello, Sean. Manny, Hello.
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Hello. How are you, Sir?
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Doing OK I am feeling better I, I can breathe again as we were
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saying earlier and I'm I'm happy for my health.
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I am happy for my friends and that you know, family being a a
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blessing and a curse thing. It holds true with me as well.
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Well, I've got family coming up in.
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Well, we'll only go Christmas Day into the city to see
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everybody, but for us our family is just a blessing.
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We have a lovely family, so I guess we'll consider ourselves
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lucky. Yeah, now that is always good.
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That is always good when family can be considered only a
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blessing. But we aren't here to talk about
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our personal lives. We're here to talk about the
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World of Warcraft. And so Sean, today we got a
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announcement. Not really an announcement
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because they already announced that Undermine was coming, but
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this was the big reveal where they kind of went way more in
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depth on the system. So we had the Wow cast with of
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course Lynxy Bethany. I unfortunately I've forgotten
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her new. Doubt oh new new last name.
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Her new last name? She's married now.
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Yes, yes, Galliwicks. Was it Bethany Galliwick?
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Galliwicks, we I'm gonna, I'm gonna say probably not No, but
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Lexi, I apologize if you ever hear this, just just yell at me
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for not remembering. I don't know the names of any of
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the band members in Elite Torn Chieftain, but that will be the
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most fitting because I believe her partner is a musician.
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Yes, yes, I I believe that is true.
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So we will, we'll have to like edit that in later, but sat down
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with two members of the World of Warcraft team and talked all
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about Undermine and what's coming up.
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So the main meat and potatoes of that were of course going to the
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Undermine and how that is now fitting in to the war within in
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general. They said, hey, wasn't really
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right for us to go there right away, but it's something that
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they had always planned. And we've heard that before.
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As soon as they were talking about an underground expansion,
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the goblin capital was already in their minds.
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And so we're going to be going there and we're going to be
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dealing with the four major cartels.
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And if you did like a little bit of frame by frame analysis, you
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could pull out a lot of details. But like overall though, what
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did you think about this? Excited.
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I thought it was a great video. It was 12 minutes and 38
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seconds. They touched on new zone, new
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dungeon, new delves. They touched on the drive
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system, which I know a lot of folks are excited about.
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I'm genuinely excited. I know that's that's a little
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bit of a wink and a nod there, but I'm genuinely excited about
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the drive system. But we can keep keep going.
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Yeah, and they talked about the RAID, which I was excited for,
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and everything looks great. I love when Dell, when Dells, I
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love when devs have a chance to talk to us.
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And you can see the joy on their faces.
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They're talking about things, whether it's a trinket in
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Theatre of Pain that they designed or whether it's a fun
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boss fight or a new dinosaur mount.
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So I live for that stuff because, yeah, it's nice to see
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that the devs are people, and we should remember that, especially
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when we're giving feedback online, that these are people
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who are passionate, who are trying to make a game for
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everyone that they love. And it's a very difficult task.
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If you could do it yourself, you would instead of just smashing
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furiously into Twitter. But you probably can't, so you
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smash furiously into Twitter. I mean to smash furiously into
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Twitter or X or whatever platform that requires a certain
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level of skill in and of itself. I, I I I keep screwing up my
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punctuation on so many any of my posts, so get on them for full
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and complete punctuation. I'm just going.
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To celebrate the wins here. I have some pretty strict social
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media rules and one of those is never read the comments on
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company or like big brand posts and I accidentally made the
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mistake of reading some of the replies and comments to this to
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this one. They're unhinged.
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People have brain rot. I I, I got to tell you like I'm
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seeing nothing but good responses here.
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First response here is looks fun.
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Now give me a glyph of scare Lord to run my ghoul into a
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spider dude on unholy DK. Also a glyph from the Rubians to
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turn my army of dead into Rubians too.
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You know, kind of hijacked the post but not horrible right?
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Yeah. Please Sir, may I have some more
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tear set previews That's on topic.
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It just wanting more of what what was there right as a goblin
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mane, I'm hyped for this. Fingers crossed for shadow
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tinker tinker a drop so I can play as a shredder pilot
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laughing my ass off. I think that's like really good
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like these are these are posts of people who are engaged loving
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that. I do want to say 11 criticism
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that came through here is that post is saying bring back
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translation to Spanish. This is kind of a something
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that's come up with actually this late latest patch because
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we are now what one day we're in day 2 basically because the
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first day was basically all downtime.
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So we're in the what I will consider the official day 2 of
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11 point O .7 and people in Latin America, people in Spain
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and other countries where Spanish is their primary
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language. Yeah, there is no Spanish
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translation because of the voice over strike and Microsoft is one
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of the companies being targeted by this.
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And so they don't have the Spanish localization in this
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hatch. Yeah.
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Interesting. Well, hopefully we get that back
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soon. Hopefully, but that is kind of
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outside of the hands that's higher level than the World of
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Warcraft team. So I can't really put the blame
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on them or put a tweet out to them, their social media
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account, thinking that's going to get anything done.
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No, I'm certain that is it generic live, that's the the
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husband and wife combo that worked there.
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They're definitely the ones that are sounding those.
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They won't get them back to the table.
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If anybody can get them back to the table, it's it's it's those
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two. They can do anything I believe.
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Well Jen no longer works for Blizzard, It's just Eric now, so
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it's not even the two. Oh yeah, she was with Hearstone
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last I had heard. So.
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Yes, she was. That contract ran out, as far as
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I'm aware. You know what, if you're a
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generic and you're listening to me and I'm giving the incorrect
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information, go ahead, tweet out to us right into the show.
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We'll pair that. Hey, for Azeroth, stop talking
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about us. We won't talk about.
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Generic news. Big fans though.
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Big fans, yeah. And we got tier set, man.
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We got a glimpse at tier sets, so that's huge.
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OK, I know this is out of order, but I got to talk about these
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tier sets since you brought them up you.
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Asked me what was in the video. I was just covering it all.
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Oh, did I miss one. No, no, I'm just saying it's out
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of order. Tier sets were there in the
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notes, but like we're talking about it, so let's talk about it
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now. So obviously with the new raid,
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with a new tier, we're getting new tier sets.
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They're doing something different with the tier set
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bonuses. Yeah, this.
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Yeah, so tell me they're goblin theming everything, right.
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So the tier set bonuses now are the two piece on all tier sets
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are role based. So healers, and this is listen,
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if you live in any other country other than America, you're not
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going to get this joke. But if you live in America,
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you're probably going to laugh at this and then cry as you
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realize that oh man, the game is making fun of how terrible we
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are. Healers get an ability now
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called insurance and you need that healer insurance to heal
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you, which is like America. They're broken healthcare
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system. It's funny.
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Get it? So maybe may have just cut
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something out of the show listeners.
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If you didn't hear my, you didn't hear my.
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I don't. Think I'm going to, but we're
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going to just walk past it. Go, go ahead.
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All right, So yeah, it's role based.
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So two piece is role based, four piece is going to be class based
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and I'm excited for this. Manny, I like this for two
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reasons. Obviously the Internet is
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defecating blood over this because that's what they do.
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But however, had they come out and said, hey, all the new tier
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sets require rotational changes, then it would have been I can't
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believe you're making me use talent X Blizzard.
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Yep, like that's exactly what would have happened.
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So they're trying something new. I dig it.
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I'm here for it and I actually think this makes balancing a
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little bit easier because they're all like OK tanks, we
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want to try and make you more uniform.
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You have the same two piece. So now we're not accidentally
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creating a broken two piece like right now Brewmaster's two piece
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kind of sucks and it is contributing to the gap.
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It's why the one of the lowest played tanks.
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This can help to narrow that. It can definitely can.
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No, no, it can't. Oh, sorry.
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Not on its own. OK, but it could like.
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Being able to say the two piece, if the two piece is balanced for
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one tank, it's balanced for all of them.
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No because it's it's all role base.
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It's the same ability. Sure.
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But OK, if you were to look at because they did a preview in
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it, again if you do that freeze frame, you will see what the
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tank two piece is. Now obviously that two piece is
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actually somewhat different between the different tanks.
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So on they preview the protection warrior and the two
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set bonus that is role is the luck of the draw.
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And luck of the draw increases your damage by 15% for 10
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seconds when you get that proc. Now what procs it is actually
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dependent on which spec you're playing.
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So for protection warriors, each time you take damage, you have a
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chance to cast shield wall for four seconds and gain luck of
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the draw. Now the benefit of shield wall
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right will need to be balanced against if it's iron fur or if
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it's whatever it is for whatever tank and in that way.
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All of the tanks have a SO shield wall, survival instincts,
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Guardian of Ancient King. Like, they're all essentially
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the exact same ability, so they'll just have it be all of
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those. I mean I would assume that they
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are different levels of Dr. and therefore they're likely to
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adjust it based on time wise. But also, if you give the, let's
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say it was the exact same level of Dr. that level of Dr. is
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different for, for tanks that are more reactive healing than
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tanks that are purely based on Dr. and so forth, right?
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So like I just, it's not exactly going to be balanced equally
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because it's the same thing. I'll allow it.
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OK, that's fair. That's fair.
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Anyway, they'll try something new with the tier sets and I'm
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looking forward to it. I think it's going to be nice.
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We'll see what happens. Worst case scenario comes out
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and it's not great. And then a cheerleader, you
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know, they make adjustments throughout the tier and then the
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next year we get something new. It's not the end of the world.
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Do you like this concept? I do.
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I do like the concept, yeah, of roll basing the two piece and
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then the four piece interacting with that two piece.
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So like the tank 1 is like if you have luck of the draw on
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four piece, then your shield slams do extra damage or
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something extra crit damage, something like that.
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All of it's subject to change. Yeah, your your critical strike
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chances is like increased by 50% is what the.
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Yeah, for for, for just shield slam, I think.
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And then it also every shield slam will then also reduce the
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the charge or the cooldown of of shield charge.
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Again, all the numbers subject to change and even the abilities
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really at this point we're still so far out.
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But I do I like the I like the concept of roll basing the the
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two the two piece. I think that's an A nice idea.
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Yeah. Yeah, I also think that it can
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allow some other items to to like work with tear sets that
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aren't necessarily tear sets much like you would have.
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Like let's say there's a trinket that's like on use, guaranteed
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luck of the draw, right? Then all these tanks will be
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like, Oh yeah, I could definitely use that.
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And I think that it's a good way of like linking other items into
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a tier set without them necessarily being a tier set.
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So I think that that would be cool.
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Let's see if that is in this iteration or maybe it's
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something they do later. But I am, I'm actually kind of
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excited by this. I don't think they necessarily
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need to have every tier bonus being its own unique little
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Aardvark thing. No, I agree.
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And so I'm a tank main, but as a tank main, I'm obligated to say
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tanks don't want random products on DRS.
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We want to have control of those so we know exactly when we're
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sending them. I I get it, but it's a tier set.
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Your actual abilities, that's what you want, but this is a
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tier set. Think of it more of like the
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damage proc is the proc and then the, the Dr. is like a bonus.
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You're not relying on this anyway.
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It's, it's fun that they're trying something and I like that
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it's gambling because we're going into a casino based raid.
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It should feel like we're gambling a little bit with our
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lives. Yeah, that, that is definitely
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true. So there's that.
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Of course, with the Tear set, that means that we're going to
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be going into a raid. Well, that's not necessarily
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true with the new Great Vault, with everything, you never need
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to actually touch a raid to go into this.
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But the raid is the primary source for all of these bonuses.
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And that's where we have the new raid that's coming out.
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That is, of course, the liberation of Undermine.
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So this is going to be US versus the forces of Galliwicks.
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They have said, just like you've been saying for so long and
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reminding us for so long, that we are going to have one week of
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the patch and then we're going straight into the raid.
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That means that we're going to be getting normal, heroic, and
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mythic all at the same time. No heroic week.
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The week after that, story mode out.
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So story mode is coming way sooner this tier.
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I don't know how the LFR breakdown is going to be.
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I assume that it's going to be one week, one week, every wing,
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but the wording in this was not quite clear.
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Yeah, I would expect them not to change that.
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No, no, Heroic Week is kind of a bummer.
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I know a lot of folks really liked Heroic Week, but we knew.
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We knew. They told us like they flat out
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told us before War Within even came out.
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Yeah, we're giving you Heroic in Season 1.
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No, you're not going to have it in season 2.
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So you can lament to be gone, but it's not a surprise.
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Sorry. Did.
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You like it in Season 1? Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. Did you?
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Have liked it in season 2. No, no, we no, I don't think
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anybody wants their special shout out to Ian has a cautious
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possibly Fasdev, We don't know for sure can't confirm, but he
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came out when he was when they were saying why they were giving
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us heroic week in season 1. It was it's a new tier, new
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expansion. Everybody's item levels are a
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bit lower When you're starting out, you're going to work your
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way into it. The extra window of time gives
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you that buffer to really dig into things like crafting and
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the questing and and that holds true.
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But going into season 2, as they said, when you go into season 2,
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you don't have that same issue. You're already probably geared
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at just below the level you would normally clear.
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So if you're ACE team, you're already geared to go in and be
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clearing heroic. You will most likely if you
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achieve CE this season, you know, or have already achieved
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it, you're probably going to go in and and full clear heroic in
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that first week. Having a heroic week, it's sort
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of pull some time away right, like it feels almost like a
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wasted week because there won't be mythic plus available with
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it. So then people are like what are
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we doing all you know, then you get the oh, I'm bored.
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There's no where's the content new patch already nothing to do.
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That's the tweet you would see, right?
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I mean. That's the tweet you're going to
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see anyways, but. You're going to yeah, 100%.
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So I I'm glad there's no heroic week heading into season 2.
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Like our characters are already geared for that level down of
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the contents. So we can like we'll be in
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mythic in the first week, but most teams will be I imagine
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that our our CE teams AO and it's the same it trickles down,
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right? It's like trickle down
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economics. It works every time.
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So the I don't actually know what trickle down economics are.
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I just I heard they're terrible, so I wanted to joke about it.
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So if you're an AOC, he's seen you're going to be in clearing
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normal in that first week and then back in the heroic that
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same week. So you don't need that, that
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extra week, that extra buffer, almost nobody needs it.
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So removing it is good. It gets us into the content
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faster and for those who aren't Raiders, to get you story mode a
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week sooner. OK well I'm I'm looking forward
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for this raid. There are a number of bosses. 8
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boss raid. It has the carnage, sorry, the
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cauldron of Carnage, which is the T Rex versus giant guerrilla
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fight. They have like that big tank
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fight where they have the tank that seemed to be doing like big
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drag racing turns and drifting and everything.
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Want to hear Want to hear a tinfoil hat?
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Sort of a pie in the sky hope for that fight that I don't
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think that is a full size tank. I think that fight takes place
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in the casino floor and we get shrunk down and it's a miniature
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like tank and we get shrunk down to fight it.
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That's what I'm. I'm calling that right now based
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on nothing. Based on nothing that would be
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sensational and cool. I like it.
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I look at that model and I immediately think like, you
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know, the Azerite tank from BFA. Yeah.
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And the little honk destroyers or whatever, Yeah.
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Yeah. So if it's not the shrunk down
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one, which I'm totally fine with, I wouldn't mind if it was
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like Galliwick's took the plans and was creating his own 1 and
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that's sort of like the the through line there.
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But your seems to so much more fun than zany and cooler.
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So I'm going to go, I'm going to back yours over that they have a
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DJ boss which uses the music to control people into obeying only
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Galliwick's. This one seems like a fight
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straight out of Ashir's Eternal Palace.
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Remember 1 Ashir would do the decrees and you'd have to like
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move to do that or you take a bunch of damage.
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I would love if the DJ boss was sort of a variant of that.
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Yeah, I think it'll be a mix between that and blood counts of
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blood from council Nathia with the boogie down, Yeah.
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Yes, yeah. And then the last boss that we
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know of, of course, is the ultimate boss, Galliwick's
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himself, who will be in a big mech, which is just his face,
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complete with cigar going. And they said that that is also
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a mount that the CE teams will be able to get guaranteed.
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And then obviously once we move past the tier, it'll drop down
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to a percentage drop. That is amazing.
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I'm probably going to reach out to maybe one of those teams that
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do a carry and be like, hey, hey, want to get me that mount
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because that looks so good. Yeah, it's going to be a lot of
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fun. I think I'm looking forward to
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the raid. And on top of that, can we talk
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just I want to touch just briefly on the interview that
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Ian gave PC Gamer, since we're talking about the raid.
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So every tier, Ian gives it an interview to somebody that says,
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Hey, we, we hear the community, we want to dial back the use of
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weak cars and the use of add-ons and create fights that are
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better visually representative, that don't require that stuff
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and that are fun. We literally get one of these
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interviews every tier. And then every tier we get an
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oven axe. My hope is this year we don't
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my, I'm, I'm hoping that there's no oven axes tier that we get
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the, the true to form, you know, better visual design, better
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visual clarity. And they looked like on that
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video that there was a lot of really well defined mechanics
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happening, which is good. And they have done a great,
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great, great job so far in the war within of helping to do
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that. A lot of the mechanics in the
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dungeons are really, really easy to see and they're telegraphed
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really well. So I'm I'm really hoping that
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the raid double s down on that, especially if they're going to
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hold true to their their comments about pulling back on
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weak ORS and add-ons. Yeah, I would definitely say
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that the Nexus Princess fight, I think I could do without add-ons
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on normal heroic. I haven't done on Mythic, so I
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cannot say on Mythic, but that fight seems so well
23:29
choreographed that paying attention, I don't need an add
23:33
on for that. I don't need DBM or something
23:35
for that. That seems like a fight you
23:36
could do with the bass UI and enjoy.
23:40
Yep. So yeah, mythic mythic as well.
23:42
It's, I mean it's, it's a very tightly choreographed dance in
23:45
mythic, but there's no like recor required for it to make it
23:49
doable like oven acts, which is undoable without it.
23:54
Yeah. So that's the raid of course
23:58
going right from that. Let's talk about the dungeon
24:00
because you were talking about how well things have been
24:03
choreographed in in dungeons. I would say that sort of things
24:07
need to be highlighted more. But we are getting a new
24:12
dungeon. This is a four boss dungeon
24:14
Operation Floodgate. Now if you again quickly pause,
24:20
you can actually see each of those bosses.
24:21
They do a quick flip through. So we've got of course the
24:25
goblins attacking the earthen dam that you see in the ringing
24:30
deeps and they're trying to cause it to flood.
24:36
Now of course the the heroes jump in there and they try and
24:38
stop things and you will need to go through a boss that is going
24:42
around in a new mech suit with a bunch of drones that they
24:46
summoned throughout the fight. Looked really cool.
24:48
Looks like an area of denial sort of fight.
24:51
You've got a next a goblin that's strapped up with a
24:54
jetpack and rocket and shooting like either rifle or cannon.
24:59
Didn't get to see any gameplay of that, just the fight of it.
25:02
The model of the goblin herself, we have that hulking Moss
25:09
elemental that's a rare in the ringing deeps.
25:11
It's like right in front of the dam looks like maybe like Big
25:14
Brother version of that or that one just, you know, after being
25:18
beaten up weeks after week is now looking to get some revenge.
25:24
And then it ends with a goblin that is just absolutely suffused
25:29
with lightning to the point where I'm like, maybe this is
25:32
like a goblin shaman sort of thing.
25:35
I'm not sure. But they've got a big battery on
25:37
their back, so they're not really calling the elements.
25:40
Looks like there's a lot of lines, very well told
25:44
telegraphed lines that you need to avoid on that that's being
25:47
shot out from them. So looks like a fun dungeon.
25:51
Looks like an area that we've been in before.
25:55
I'm glad that it is 4 bosses and not 5 or 6.
25:58
It's another short, boss. Yeah, brother.
26:02
Yeah, I would prefer three. I'm a big fan of three boss
26:04
dungeons, but I'll take 4. I'm just.
26:06
Saying we're getting trial of pain.
26:10
What's it called? The Nile.
26:12
Draxis 1. Theater pain.
26:17
Theater pain. That's a 5 boss.
26:18
That's a 5 boss dungeon. I'm like.
26:22
Yeah. So I'm glad to see this one down
26:25
at four. Yes, three would have been
26:28
nicer, but it is what it is at at this point.
26:32
It's going to be immediately available on normal soon as the
26:36
patch goes live. Mythic Plus coming with the new
26:40
season and I believe that means that Heroic also would be with
26:44
the new season because Heroic follows the seasonal changes.
26:48
I think so. I think that's how it was.
26:52
No, we were able to do. Yeah, I know.
26:55
I think that's how it was that that's right.
26:56
I'm going to say yes, because we couldn't do heroic versions of
26:59
the current season dungeons until season started.
27:02
So yeah, I think, I don't know they're going.
27:05
To. I mean you can do mythic zeros
27:06
anyways if you if you wanted to because that is just walking in
27:09
turning into mythic. Actually that I'm not sure of
27:13
either. You if there's no season, we
27:15
wouldn't be able to. We don't know.
27:18
Blizzard will put a post out. We'll clarify it then.
27:21
So that's a that's a dungeon. We're going to be spending a lot
27:24
of time there. I just need to get like, you
27:27
know, hands on time to know if I like like that dungeon or not.
27:30
If it is much with what they've been doing with the war within
27:35
dungeons and they're tuning or this is going to be adjusted
27:40
based on the lessons that they've learned from season 1.
27:42
So I have no idea where this will be.
27:46
That brings us to Delves. Now you and I are not the
27:50
biggest Delve people, but we're getting 2 new Delves in there.
27:56
That is the evacuation site 9 and the street side sluice.
28:04
Now these are both both going to be new new delves, but the old
28:12
delves are getting a bunch of new rather not a bunch, but the
28:16
majority of them are getting goblin theme variants.
28:20
And then there's going to be a new Zekiver style encounter with
28:24
new rewards. I believe this is going to be
28:27
dark views that was mentioned a couple of times in this this
28:31
video. So that's my guess.
28:33
We'll see if that proves right. There's a new seasonal mount
28:36
which is a variant of the season 1 mount, but this is the
28:41
Gobtrotter mount and a nice little gold blinged out version
28:45
for those of you who defeat the challenge mode.
28:48
Yep. The biggest change with the
28:50
season of course is Bran getting a tank spec.
28:53
Now I I assume this means nothing to you because you're
28:55
going to be taking not Bran. Yeah, yeah.
28:58
But I have a question. Manny.
29:00
Bran is a ranged tank who's obviously using a mechanical
29:04
shield and a pistol. Does that not scream Tinker to
29:08
you? I suspect this might be a way of
29:13
them testing the waters a bit in a very safe manner.
29:20
I, I'm going to be looking deeply at it because I, I don't
29:24
want to. I think it's a test.
29:26
It's, I think it's definitely a test.
29:29
And do I think that in 11.0 point, sorry, rather 11 point
29:36
1.5 we'd see Tinker show up? No, I don't think it'll be that
29:41
quick, but I could see it coming down the line based on this
29:45
testing. Yeah, yeah.
29:48
But yeah, he uses a shield and a gun.
29:51
He's also getting new curious, including a curio that is
29:54
specifically from the challenge mode that's going to allow him
29:58
to summon a mech that you as a player will pilot.
30:02
Fasdev, I obviously that you would lock this in way before
30:06
our last last episode where we talked about like people playing
30:10
in US, very set abilities and such.
30:12
But we're going to take credit anyways.
30:14
Yeah, this feels like them moving in the direction of Faz
30:18
Delves. Faz Dev took the notes on Faz
30:21
Delves and we're moving towards it.
30:24
Delve Team 6 is operational. That's right.
30:28
And of course, that brings us to my favorite part.
30:32
And clearly people's on the Internet's favorite part, the
30:35
drive system. Yes, Yeah.
30:38
Tell us about this, Sean. Drive the dynamic revolutionary
30:42
improvements to vehicular experiences is going to be
30:45
somewhere in the range of three to five times faster than ground
30:48
mounts are and a little bit faster than dragon riding.
30:52
It's not called that anymore. Dynamic flight a little bit
30:54
faster than dynamic flight at top speeds.
30:58
And they want to see our clips. They want to see US, Tokyo
31:03
drifting around undermine. They want to see burnouts, they
31:07
want to see drag races. Send it all.
31:10
Tag them in the tweets. Yeah, they seem pretty excited
31:16
about it. Dragon riding when it was
31:19
released, which is currently now Dynamic flight was fun when you
31:24
first got your hands on it. And I think we need to give them
31:28
anybody who's nervous about this or skeptical about this, let's
31:33
give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're
31:36
all professionals. They're not going to release
31:37
something that's a buggy, janky mess that everybody hates.
31:41
And if they do, even if they do, you've got probably, what, 3 to
31:47
700 ground mounds? You can just mountain ride, ride
31:50
some of those. You haven't used them in a whole
31:52
expansion. Give some love to your meat
31:54
wagon. That sounds horrible, but I, I
32:03
think that this one is harder to implement worldwide than dynamic
32:08
flight just because you really have to sort of build the world
32:11
around this, in my opinion. Like you're not going to go and
32:15
use this drive system along the streets of Storm winds.
32:18
You're just going to end up in flying into the sewers or the
32:23
canals in between. Yeah, that's a strength though,
32:26
not a weakness because they can design it.
32:29
They can literally design it just for the zone itself.
32:32
So they can have like this is our drag strip.
32:35
We can make it so this thing functions exceptionally well in
32:39
this contained box because we don't have to consider how it
32:41
functions outside of this. Whereas with dragonflying they
32:45
had or dragon riding, they're like we going to make sure that
32:48
this isn't going to be completely broken everywhere
32:51
else. And they did that by slowing it
32:54
down before they gave it to us. All this is broken.
32:57
This is horrible. Yeah.
33:00
Well, it's going to be gold. There's going to be, of course,
33:02
like you said, the city is designed around it.
33:04
There's going to be 4 time courses that are going to be
33:06
available in both the forward and reverse flavors.
33:10
You're going to be able to customize your car or your drag
33:14
race vehicle, whatever it is, not only in color but in things
33:18
that are actually performance. So the speed, the handling, the
33:21
throttle is there. I think that that's what's makes
33:24
it the most interesting because tweaking it so that the throttle
33:29
or the handling is different and maybe you give up the speed will
33:33
allow you to do better in some courses, but worse since other
33:35
courses. And it might be that there is a
33:38
good particular set up per course and that just makes this,
33:43
well, super deep. Yeah, I never thought of that.
33:47
This, this loadout for this course, this loadout for this
33:50
course, if they have a, if they don't have a way to quickly
33:53
change loadouts, I'm certain Peter, you will design one into
33:56
narcissist or plumber for us. So either way, we're getting
33:59
one, folks. Buckle up.
34:02
So yeah, that that's gonna be great.
34:03
I think that there is, there's a lot of potential here and I'm
34:06
hoping that it lands well. And then, yeah, I think in
34:12
general beyond that, it's where the story is going to be taking
34:16
us. How we're leading up to this
34:20
with the 11 point O .7 that's just been released.
34:23
The entire heroin or story, I haven't had a chance to play it
34:26
myself yet and I'm looking to go into that.
34:31
But that leading into 11.1 and where it goes in the future, I'm
34:37
excited. Again, this is this is what I
34:39
was looking for in terms of like going into the new year, what
34:44
the story was going to bring, getting that that hype going.
34:46
I'm really glad that they're giving this to us, you know,
34:49
days before Christmas. From what we've seen so far.
34:55
What's the thing that you are hoping as a sleeper hit?
34:59
Hoping is a sleeper hit. What do I hope is a sleeper hit?
35:09
Sleeper. Man, not like cuz, man, if I was
35:11
to say, like, what do you think is a hit?
35:12
It's like, I hope that the the the the raid mythic plus and the
35:16
raid just goes swimmingly. But we all hope for that.
35:19
Like what's the thing that you're like?
35:21
I didn't expect to see it coming, but I hope it's amazing.
35:23
I hope the story is amazing. I want to walk away from this,
35:27
not just tolerating goblins, but like maybe even rolling up my
35:33
own goblin. Like I want to walk away from
35:35
11.1 with a better understanding of who goblins are as a people
35:40
and with them being fleshed out beyond the, you know, the, the
35:44
time is money friend trope. That's my that's my sleeper hit.
35:48
And and you know what? They did such a great job with
35:52
the earthen. They made they made literal
35:54
rocks interesting like factor that like the early rocks
36:00
Blizzard made them. They made literal rocks
36:03
interesting and war within story has just been like home run
36:10
after home run the 11.1 stuff I'm sorry 11 point 0.7 stuff is
36:14
good. I did it today.
36:17
I even like the siren Isle quite a bit.
36:21
Yeah, and we can talk about that in a second if you want.
36:23
But that's my hope is that the this story of undermined.
36:28
I hope that I hope you walk away from that going wow, I did not
36:31
expect to feel feels for goblins.
36:34
OK, yeah, I wouldn't call that my sleeper hit just because I've
36:37
been banging that drum for a while now, like, you know,
36:41
filling out these characters that were jokes for a while now.
36:44
I I think I'm going to go back to that drive system.
36:47
I'm hoping that because there is these actual modifications that
36:52
you can do to the handling, I'm hoping that those races take
36:56
off, that people go super deep into that, that that becomes
36:59
sort of stuff that people want. And then from there the devs are
37:06
like, OK, let's give them more. And then we get like racing
37:09
courses here, even if I personally am sort of like done
37:13
with it after first blush. I think that it is a system that
37:19
can be revisited a bunch of times that can not have to be.
37:26
It doesn't need to be Evergreen. It doesn't need to be in every
37:29
patch. And I really hope that it's not
37:31
right, but I would love if every couple of patches, every
37:35
expansion or so, they go, hey, we've introduced a drag racing
37:40
area to Area 51 and here's these time trials and you can go out
37:44
and go do that. And people are like, oh, great.
37:47
And they they pull out their drag racer and they go and do
37:49
that and they tweak their stats and that and that just becomes
37:53
like a little side game that people do.
37:56
Yeah, I like that. I that would be cool.
37:59
I I really do think they should have a just a strip.
38:01
So you put on all your fastest speed, your lowest handling, and
38:05
you just build a drag racer and then they have one that's, you
38:08
know, more handling required. So you drop down on speed, you
38:10
add handling and you should get it would be cool if there's like
38:15
a course director that you talk to that gives you those hints
38:18
but doesn't just say build speed like they said.
38:21
They would say things like, you know what I mean?
38:23
This track is designed for blah, blah, blah. the IT gets slick
38:25
around these corn. Like give us clues in that.
38:29
Obviously we're going to pass it down to a wow head post.
38:32
What's the best builds? Reach rates?
38:35
But it'll be fun learning it the first time.
38:38
I mean, the way that you break that is that it becomes a best
38:44
out of three on different tracks and you don't get to switch in
38:47
between and therefore you can no longer min Max to a particular
38:51
thing. You have to be like, OK, what is
38:54
like, I don't. Like that I want to.
38:55
No, no, because like two of them could be his favor one way and
38:58
one goes the other way. And you're like, hey, I can get
39:00
enough of a lead in this. No, I don't like that.
39:03
You don't like it? No, I want to.
39:05
I want to. I have a separate build for
39:07
every boss and like three of them are the same build, but
39:09
it's still a separate build for every boss.
39:11
I'm fine with that. I just think that you have all
39:15
of it, right, where everybody gets their best times per track.
39:19
And then you have like the quote UN quote Grand Prix thing so
39:22
that people have like separate things.
39:24
So people are like, oh man, I'm going to this is the best build
39:27
and I'm going to get my best time for this track.
39:30
And then also here's like a race and people can race over the
39:35
course of the month. And the best overall time for
39:38
these three you get your bragging rights would be like
39:42
these little grand prixs that could show up.
39:45
I love it. And apparently you do not love
39:49
Shadow though. Dude it's wild.
39:54
This entire show she's been literally right beside me
39:57
chewing on her paw and it's the worst sound in the history of
40:02
sounds. If you don't hear it, make sure
40:06
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40:09
Yeah, yeah, it's anyway. I've done the Siren Isle too and
40:15
I enjoy it and a lot of people are unhappy with it.
40:17
I like that it's a once a week, 30 minute commitment and not a 2
40:22
hour daily trek that I have to make more of that, please.
40:27
And the story is nice because it's, the story reminds me more
40:30
of like Dark Souls and Demon Souls before it, where you get
40:34
the story in reading the tablets and reading the pieces that you
40:39
find around the island as opposed to having it being
40:42
delivered through exposition. And I like that.
40:44
That sort of fleshes it out. Sour Island's a hit for me.
40:47
That ring, it got buffed pretty good.
40:51
Pretty good. So once the gems are all
40:53
unlocked, yeah. Let's let's talk about those
40:57
gems because that's a a point of criticism right now.
41:01
So in this first little bit, again, we're on Day 2 of of
41:09
this, there's only four gems that are available with more to
41:13
be unlocked later. They haven't said exactly when
41:15
they're going to get unlocked. It might be with the daily,
41:18
sorry, the daily so like on Friday and so it's shifting
41:23
every two weeks. It might be that it is with the
41:26
it's a weekly thing. So every reset on Tuesday,
41:29
that's when we can get new gems in the PTR.
41:32
Over the course of the PTR they said hey, the rotation is speed
41:35
up and it should take and there's like six weeks that to
41:40
go through Sarn Isle. But that's not necessarily the
41:44
ring itself. That might just be the.
41:47
Ring powers up, but it also gets gems, so you power the ring up.
41:52
So that's six weeks is to Max power the ring.
41:55
But you should have collected all of the gems by then, I
41:58
suspect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:02
It was a choice. It'd be neat if there was.
42:04
You know what? Maybe there is?
42:06
Maybe there's what? I'm going to walk around the
42:08
island and talk to people. Well, if they just had somebody
42:10
who said because the island has like 3 phases, it's like a storm
42:13
phase and a very cool phase and something else.
42:17
It would be neat if there was somebody on the island who was
42:20
like just saying like, you know, obviously better wording than
42:23
this, but oh, the phase is going to change in so many days, you
42:27
know, or that, you know, this is at least this is only going to
42:30
last for a couple of days. Like that kind of thing to give
42:33
us an idea instead of Blizzard having to come right out and say
42:36
this is when it cycles, it will be cool.
42:39
There might be somebody on the island who says that, who knows?
42:41
The people that go on Twitter and complain, they never checked
42:43
that. They just go to complain.
42:45
There. Sorry, it was a really.
42:46
Love day I had. I had to add a lot to the meet
42:49
list. You went into some dark places
42:51
up here. Did he literally there's Manny
42:54
probably used it as a cold open. So if you're still this far on
42:56
the show, you probably heard the cold open.
42:58
But somebody literally complained about the drive
43:00
system and how it was stupid and how instead they should build a
43:03
new zone and make a new dungeon on the video, showcase the new
43:09
zone and the new dungeon. Yeah.
43:12
Yeah, it's a it's unusual man, Oh man.
43:17
But but I think that explaining in game is something that
43:22
they're trying to do better with.
43:24
Obviously with Kadgar and his his entire entire Dalaran thing.
43:29
It says check back with with Kadgar in 21 days.
43:33
And then it's actually ticking down as the days have been going
43:37
to have somebody who's sort of like, Oh yeah, the storm looks
43:41
like it's coming in in two weeks, or it's like those
43:44
Valkyr, I don't think they have enough supplies to last more
43:47
than this many days. That would be a cool thing to
43:49
do. Now the rotation is going to be
43:54
like not a coming in or the Valkyr or whatever, whatever
43:57
faction is attacking it, which does change the flavor of the
44:00
island each time it shifts. I think that does help to keep
44:05
it fresh. I have been spending all of my
44:10
time doing some of the backlog of stuff that they added in to
44:14
the old world. So I've been running around
44:17
Zandalar and Storm Song Valley doing stuff to work towards
44:22
those men achievements that they put in and I think that is
44:25
fantastic. So the fact that I only needed
44:28
to spend a little bit of time on the island to get what I needed
44:32
done, and I can now go back and work through all of this backlog
44:36
of stuff, I love it. I love it.
44:38
I think that this is a great thing to add in around the
44:42
holiday season, where my time is being pulled and how many
44:45
different directions. Yeah, I'm.
44:47
I'm a fan. 10 out of 10. Saira Island, 10 out of 10.
44:50
You want to give me a small place with some flavor that I
44:53
only have to go to once a week for 30 minutes all day long?
44:57
Liz, I'll take those. Porn.
44:59
Not all day long. That's the beauty of it.
45:01
It's not all day. Long.
45:02
That's right. It's not all day long.
45:03
Yeah, yeah. And it's value too for people
45:05
that work. Like, obviously I don't work.
45:07
I said at home my my job is literally Warcraft.
45:10
But it's nice that to know the people who have actual real
45:12
jobs, real functioning adults don't have to be like, oh man,
45:16
I'm falling behind because I couldn't do my 7 hours of Siren
45:19
Island Isle grinding today. I don't know.
45:22
I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to fight you on this, feel
45:25
like you do a real job and you do a good job at at it and that
45:29
you are a very functional adult. But other people don't have as
45:34
much time in the game as you. So yes, I'm happy for them all.
45:37
Right. I'll take that.
45:38
That was nice. That was Manny's Christmas gift
45:40
to me. Appreciate it.
45:43
I'm a cheap miser. Anyways, I think that's going to
45:46
do it for us this year. Again, stick around.
45:50
Next week you should see a post where it is going through Final
45:55
Fantasy and how their Housing Works, and then what they could
46:00
the developers could learn and bring to World of Warcraft.
46:04
And then following that, we're going to take a little trip into
46:07
The Elder Scrolls Online again to look at their housing and see
46:12
what lessons we can learn from them as well.
46:14
And then we will be back, of course, in the new year until
46:18
2025. May all your hits be grits.