Latest / When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom / Earl Nelson: Boarding Houses Beware
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- 0:20Everybody in serial killer country.
- 0:21My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian
- 0:24Joiner. And this is the WinCo's get
- 0:25caught podcasts devoted to deep dives into the lives and psyche
- 0:28to the killer. We love to learn about about
- 0:30each week bright and I will find a True Crime Story that
- 0:32resonated with us and I discuss the well-known or lesser known
- 0:35killer go deep into their childhood lives, methodology,
- 0:38and how they got caught, and then we'll get a little spooky
- 0:41and Brian will introduce us to something Cryptid or
- 0:45Supernatural. yes, and our first segment is always this week in
- 0:52True Crime and this one is I don't know, I guess, it's not so
- 0:59good, but it ends kind of sort of feel-good, listen.
- 1:02All right. I'll just explain in taxes.
- 1:08This came out the end of June, a little girl was in her bedroom.
- 1:13She was about 10 years old and she screamed for her parents.
- 1:17And outside of her window was a man looking through her window
- 1:21and like touching himself inappropriately.
- 1:24Oh, no. So both Mom and Dad, grab their
- 1:26guns. And Ran outside the guy fled to
- 1:30a gas station and they chased him.
- 1:33So then the wife stood there, like Mom holding her gun on him
- 1:37and dad went inside to call 911 and then I guess the man
- 1:41thinking that the woman would be weaker whatever, tried to like
- 1:43wrestle the gun away from her and dad, stepped out and shot
- 1:46him three times. And like, the mom was over, like
- 1:51we didn't want to shoot him, we were waiting for police to come
- 1:54and detain him, because if I'm pretty sure, if he did this to
- 1:56my children, he would do it to somebody else.
- 1:59Yeah. His name hasn't been released
- 2:02but like I'm pretty sure he's dead.
- 2:05That's kind of the story. Well, you kind of get what you
- 2:08get, exactly. And like, I'm not sorry.
- 2:12Sir, that you should should be doing.
- 2:14Like, why? Why it's will know how old was
- 2:18this child? She's 10.
- 2:19N-no. It's just, like, makes me want
- 2:22to just think like, no matter what if your kid asked to have
- 2:25their bedroom on the first floor, just know?
- 2:27Yeah, nothing goes well, with having your bedroom on the first
- 2:29floor, no, because black-eyed children, there's Cryptids.
- 2:34There's my picture window. There's pedophiles fucking flow,
- 2:39okay? They will float.
- 2:42I'm saying is keep that kid up on a second floor, but let me
- 2:45tell you my kids are on the second floor and right.
- 2:49In the windows, Mike is. Yeah.
- 2:51Oh yeah, definitely. They're always like, hey, what
- 2:54you doing now? They're judging our Mass but
- 2:57regardless like, you know, well, it was a quick solution to a
- 3:01problem, wasn't it? Yeah.
- 3:02Like you kind of get effed up dude.
- 3:05And then you got chase down and you wanted to try to fight you
- 3:08thought you should have just stopped.
- 3:09That's really the dream that I really should have.
- 3:11Oh well oh well, oh my god. Well, Justice served, there you
- 3:17go. And Speaking of Justice.
- 3:20Alrighty, Try. I'm going to speak about some
- 3:27justice now. I'm going to start this off with
- 3:30a quote. So this is a threat to you.
- 3:36When I find you, I will show you.
- 3:38Is that what I do to serial killers?
- 3:42And this is a quote, from a man from Alaska who know, this is a
- 3:48guy from Arkansas, okay? So next to Texas, it's a guy
- 3:56superhero. His name is Shadow vision.
- 4:01Okay. This is a picture of him in his
- 4:07costume. His suit.
- 4:08Oh, he really has set himself up he's a vigilante, he is yes.
- 4:13Um so he's a self-professed superhero.
- 4:18Who is hunting a serial killer stabber, Ciro stabber in
- 4:24Arkansas? Okay, let's see. so, I guess
- 4:33this Ciro stabber has been attacking people since August
- 4:3920, 20, and This is when Shadow Vision comes into play.
- 4:47Okay, so he has a, he has a Facebook page and this is where
- 4:50he made his quote, he has a Facebook page.
- 4:52Yeah, probably happy. So I guess on Thursday, he had
- 4:58told follower on his Facebook page that he was in Little Rock.
- 5:03Arkansas is where just his dabbing has been taking place
- 5:08and that he was hunting, the serial killer that was there.
- 5:12And there have been For knife attacks and only three words
- 5:18that were fatal. That's still a lot.
- 5:22Yeah. But the surviving victim she was
- 5:26stabbed 15 times. Yeah.
- 5:31So look dude, I know right? Um we do wish you luck in your
- 5:36in your hunt Shadow vision and I do hope that you either help you
- 5:41find the guy. Usually somebody else as opposed
- 5:43to say. Either you help find this man or
- 5:47that, you know, somebody finds somebody stops him or stops them
- 5:52and makes sense to me. Yeah yeah.
- 5:54Um I guess he has a tick tock as well haha.
- 5:59That's awesome. What cystic duct?
- 6:00Um it's probably just Shadow version, it probably is but
- 6:09apparently there's a tick tock her.
- 6:12There's somebody wrote on Comedy is like, I can't with this
- 6:15stupid City. I can't even Stating that her
- 6:23first city has a serial killer and now superhero to protect
- 6:26them. So, Look, this sounds like a
- 6:30good. I like this.
- 6:31Like, if we had a superhero in our city, I'm like all about you
- 6:35like, dude, let me buy you drinks.
- 6:36Did you find a tick? Tock that look on your face,
- 6:38he's walking around. You just searched Shadow Vision
- 6:41on Tick-Tock, y'all and he, this videos of it PPL behind him.
- 6:45Like he's walking around the city.
- 6:46Yo, let me buy you. I wish I could buy you drink,
- 6:49you have a Kofi. If you have a cool video
- 6:52patreon, what do you had, dude? Give me your cash app.
- 6:55I'll cash up, you some cash so you can buy a drink.
- 6:59Yep. So private and I took a very
- 7:02small moment to look up the shadow Vision post on Connor
- 7:06Tick-Tock. Oh my God boy, are they worth
- 7:08it? Apparently Shadow fission is
- 7:10from Ireland, Scotland, I can't mess that up.
- 7:15He's from Scotland and he came to Arkansas because he felt the
- 7:18people of Arkansas were losing hope.
- 7:20Also he has friends one name, tothe Ian, and it Master Legend
- 7:25and they go on patrols together. What?
- 7:28Does Master Legend wearing Master Legend?
- 7:30Legitimately has a Boba Fett mask on along with like a silver
- 7:34outfit. So fucking awesome.
- 7:38It's great. I'm so sorry.
- 7:40Shadow vision. I was incredible.
- 7:43I'm kind of well, I'm glad. He has friends though.
- 7:46So he also, he is fundraising, he's crowdfunding so he can get
- 7:50an official superhero vehicle. Yo, his cash app is money, sign
- 7:55RLS. Ha, ha ha h-hey.
- 8:00Dow. I'll give you my whole paycheck.
- 8:04The is IO n. So it's just real life, SSH
- 8:08Shadow vision. I'll give you my whole paycheck
- 8:11it. So you get a car just drive you
- 8:13drive here though. Okay, you drive to where I am a
- 8:18video of the three of them walking together in Arkansas, I
- 8:23was awesome. This is from Toby.
- 8:25It says, at Tony and oh my god, he has his own page 111
- 8:31followers. Come on, y'all helped.
- 8:34Oh, the and become a real superhero police take time.
- 8:40How are you supposed thousand followers?
- 8:41He go live to listen. You have more Tick-Tock
- 8:45followers. Usher's of the problem.
- 8:56Look, it's a lot. It is it's a lot like us.
- 9:00You like how do you do this? I'm like, when we when I first
- 9:03started, The Tick-Tock I was posting three or four times a
- 9:05day for the first four months. Now I am at a place where I can
- 9:10post like once or twice a day or every other day.
- 9:12Yeah. Got like a certain amount of
- 9:14views, but you have to really dedicate like right away, but
- 9:19like all of them have a couple hundred views as well.
- 9:22Say my I believe this one I would have thought I'd got you
- 9:24had more until you removed it. I responded the first time I
- 9:28didn't have I don't think I had more than that.
- 9:30Really no. Oh well well this you just
- 9:33brought some light to my life. You're welcome.
- 9:35This is just hope that woke you up.
- 9:39I also got my some coffee and I'll break.
- 9:41So, there you go. So there we go.
- 9:44So this week, I kind of tasked myself with trying to find a
- 9:49serial killer that wasn't as familiar with as some of the
- 9:52other ones, which is hard for people who are crime nerds like
- 9:55us, right? So, I was browsing on Amazon and
- 9:57I said, looking at a book from Michael Newton, and he wrote one
- 10:00of the cyclope Diaz of serial killers that I own, as well as a
- 10:03really frustrating book that I've been reading through called
- 10:06the unsolved civil rights murder cases, which is just all of the
- 10:10horrible murders, that went unsolved, because Racism.
- 10:16But a book popped up in my suggestions that was called the
- 10:19dark Strangler Earl Leonard Nelson.
- 10:22And I had never heard the name before, which doesn't really
- 10:26happen that often to me, like usually when people in my live
- 10:29streams are like, hey, have you heard of this person?
- 10:32It's because the crime had literally happened days ago.
- 10:34Yeah. And I haven't had a chance to
- 10:36see it on the news yet but like if it comes with somebody who's
- 10:39like been around for 100 years, absolutely, I know that britni
- 10:42knows about them. But what I discovered is, The
- 10:46reason why we don't know much about this is because right
- 10:48during the 1920s, when Earl Leonard Nelson was busy doing
- 10:52his criming the media was obsessed with gangs and you
- 10:57know, it was Prohibition Elliott.
- 11:01Now else, you know, and leonesse all of that stuff, you know, and
- 11:06they very much took a backseat to unlike the 70s and the 90s,
- 11:12which were all serial killers all the time, great, it was a
- 11:15pop in time. A serial killers.
- 11:17In fact, when Nelson was killing, they didn't even have a
- 11:18word for what he was doing. That word wasn't crafted until
- 11:22the 70s by wrestler agent. Ressler.
- 11:25Yeah, so, What I will tell you about this.
- 11:31Well, like it, you know, I've mentioned him in passing but he
- 11:35slipped in and out of boarding homes houses which is really
- 11:39popular in the 20s. People just would like rent a
- 11:41room and somebody's house. And a lot of people were doing
- 11:44it a lot more than now. Honestly, he was able to get in
- 11:48and out of highly populated areas and he he was strong in
- 11:54fact like at one point like they referred to him as like a
- 11:57gorilla, like a gorilla killer. Oh my God.
- 12:00It was a weird name. Mmmmm kicker what they thought
- 12:04of it was like almost inhuman the way that he could like I
- 12:09want to destroy a body but the way that he's sometimes, hid
- 12:11them in places where bodies shouldn't fit.
- 12:15Yeah. From pull them up.
- 12:18Yeah, that was something that he could do with ease, but yeah.
- 12:22Now I have my own feelings about why I think this man was able to
- 12:25get in and out of places easily. I think it's because he looks
- 12:28like an unremarkable, white man, but You'll see what I mean, but
- 12:32his name is a dark Strangler. Well, that's okay.
- 12:36I got also explained that to, I didn't realize this until I
- 12:38started reading from a couple different sources.
- 12:40But, you know, the phrase tall dark and handsome, it doesn't
- 12:44mean like black people. It means like men who have like
- 12:48like white men who have dark coloration like darker tan skin,
- 12:52dark hair, dark eyes. They're not, but they're still
- 12:56quite so. But when I think of tall dark
- 12:58and handsome, I think of like someone who's brown skin.
- 13:01Yes. And then you know, I didn't I
- 13:03didn't realize that that was the original like explanation of
- 13:07that. So he's kind of the dark
- 13:08Strangler because he just didn't look like a blonde hair
- 13:11blue-eyed. White guy, you know, had as they
- 13:14say in the books, darker features, you know, this one
- 13:18happened if Shadow Vision was around.
- 13:21I think if only there had been Shadow Vision across all of
- 13:28America and into Canada. Oh my god.
- 13:31Oh Also because he killed all over the place.
- 13:34He would have been he killed Across America as he was running
- 13:36away. This would have been like The
- 13:38Dark Knight like actually yeah that dark night when no not that
- 13:43one like that actually the dark night when Batman goes across
- 13:47the fucking see the get the remember these movies have I've
- 13:52watched them once, okay? Like 10 years, never mind.
- 13:55I'm sorry. No you're fine.
- 13:57All I remember is Christian Bale talking in his mother's my
- 14:00Batman voice my mother's name is Damaris there as well.
- 14:05Yeah. The Batman voice was like it
- 14:08completely honestly. If I'm right, I think the
- 14:10original Dark Knight with Heath Ledger that came out when I was
- 14:14in like high school. So it was a long time ago for
- 14:16me, oh my God, I said that on DVD it's a good movie DVDs for
- 14:21all of you who don't know DVDs. Wow diesel before streaming Oh
- 14:25weird is dating ourselves left and right here.
- 14:29Okay. Back to your dark Strangler.
- 14:34But regardless, we're going to start with everything that we
- 14:36start with the beginning. Earl Nelson was actually born
- 14:41Earl Leonard Farrell on May 12, 1897, in San Francisco,
- 14:45California to Frances Nelson an English woman and James Farrow.
- 14:49A Spanish, man. Both of his parents died from
- 14:51syphilis. France has passed away.
- 14:53When I was only nine months old and James past, six months
- 14:56later, he was sent to live with his maternal grandmother Jenny.
- 15:01Jenny Nelson who promptly changed his name from Farrell to
- 15:03Nelson, the sources, don't really say why.
- 15:06But I am just imagining that the reason why she did this is
- 15:09because her daughter died from syphilis that she got from her
- 15:14spouse only makes sense. Apparently, there were tests
- 15:17that you were supposed to do before you got married to some
- 15:20money. Yeah, they were considered like,
- 15:23you took like a spousal STD test like 100 years ago, to make sure
- 15:28that your spouse didn't have like a tertiary.
- 15:31Hello. Well, that should be like a
- 15:32common thing now to we do listen, you know, people don't
- 15:35do nothing. I'm just saying that should be a
- 15:40thing. People are like, what's herpes?
- 15:42We good I'm sure. We gonna tell people yeah, until
- 15:46people. Oh my God, it's awful.
- 15:48No, don't date. Just dumping dating sucks.
- 15:51Y'all back on target? Yeah, Earl grew up with his
- 15:57grandmother's, two children, technically, his aunt Lily.
- 16:01Ian and his uncle will has, they were 10 and 18 years older than
- 16:04him. So he 10 and 8 years, older
- 16:08Jenny was a devout Pentecostal woman and religion was a huge
- 16:12part of Earl's life from young to old after doing some after we
- 16:18talked about. Again.
- 16:19Like we did two weeks ago, I was definitely looking up the
- 16:23connection with like these religious women and these men's
- 16:27lives because it seems to keep coming up and so Robert wrestler
- 16:33the FBI agent, who coined the term serial killer.
- 16:39He did that with his team of people the FBI by interviewing
- 16:44just a tremendous amount of serial killers and rest was
- 16:47released a bunch of books. But the one that I was looking
- 16:51at, he said that in two-thirds of serial killers, he profiled.
- 16:54They all had a dominant female presence in their life
- 16:58specifically in their formative years and there were there was
- 17:02no father figure in the home. But But by the time, these
- 17:06serial killers men, reach 12 years old.
- 17:09And, of course, I'm not saying that single moms are raising
- 17:11serial killers, but it is a very interesting consistent thing,
- 17:15especially once it's then added with the very dogmatic
- 17:18aggressive religion. Yeah, which describes a gheens
- 17:22mother as in the same as JD Nelson because it is like
- 17:26pressured on to them to then at that time, at that point.
- 17:28Yeah. And I'm just, I do hate the
- 17:31concept of religion. I think it can be very helpful
- 17:34to a lot of People. But man, do I know how it has
- 17:38completely destroyed. So many people, I know
- 17:42personally, I have friends whose families were part of Cults, who
- 17:48are a reprobate harmed. Like complete obsession with
- 17:52religion, seems to always be unhealthy.
- 17:55Mmm, I guess that's just the way you can't anything.
- 17:58You're addicted to is bad for you, so it's true.
- 18:01But, you know, regardless Jenny was trying to raise these kids
- 18:05and to God-fearing people to she was very Stern, a little bit
- 18:09distant, overworked yourself, you know, now, having three kids
- 18:12to raise and it wasn't like she didn't care about Earl.
- 18:16But from a young age he was definitely kind of troubled.
- 18:18He was really morbid, which is weird for small kids.
- 18:23He was often hyper and very depressed Harold.
- 18:27Schechter wrote about how he ate like, an animal.
- 18:31And he would cover his food and olive oil.
- 18:33And then dip his face into the plate, and slurp it up like a
- 18:36dog, which his aunt and uncle found disgusting.
- 18:40And they actually made fun of him for it, which I would only
- 18:43expect, like, regardless even if he's what, like, so he when he
- 18:47came into the household he was what like a year old.
- 18:50So the one boy would have been nine when he came in and the
- 18:52other girl like 11. Okay.
- 18:55And so now this is like this five year old.
- 18:57Who's like, we wrap it up food at the table.
- 19:01Well, and if you do these 5, that means the other boy is
- 19:05Almost like pretty teenagers. Yeah.
- 19:07They're yeah. They're both in their teenage
- 19:08years. Yeah.
- 19:11So injures are harsh. Okay.
- 19:13Yeah, I'll kids are. But Earl never felt like he had
- 19:17siblings even though that's what Jenny wanted for him.
- 19:21And I think that's really important, too.
- 19:23Because our lovely Robert wrestler wrote about serial
- 19:30killers, having a struggle to bond, and make attachments early
- 19:36in their life and you have children, and I work with
- 19:38children. So, you know, that kids These
- 19:41are particularly vulnerable in the way that they fall in love
- 19:45with everyone. They meet, yes, you can take
- 19:47your kid on a walk around the block and all of a sudden, like
- 19:50your neighbor, you never met until just now is your best
- 19:54friend. Like that's how they are.
- 19:56You know, I start every year listen and a week later.
- 20:01I love you Miss Brittany and I'm like oh that's very nice.
- 20:04Thank you listen these kids and every time I take things like
- 20:08drive through McDonald's they have to say hi.
- 20:10To the cashiers. Every time I need to say hi.
- 20:14I need to say hi. I was like you don't have to
- 20:17choose. I want to.
- 20:18Yeah, I was at a restaurant with my best friend, a couple weeks
- 20:22ago, we went to the guy that really nice crab place over here
- 20:26the mall. And there was a little kid
- 20:31sitting not far from us who said, hi to literally everyone
- 20:35who walked by her. Like, and the thing was, she was
- 20:38sitting there eating her shrimp, her little fried Add a little
- 20:41clams or whatever was in her little basket from her and she
- 20:44would stop. Hi, hi, hi.
- 20:48Oh my God. You know, that's just how
- 20:50children are and so That's the norm kids are very trusting and
- 20:58open and sweet. They are the best part of our
- 21:02society until Society, destroys us, and we become grown-ups.
- 21:06But I just I can't imagine meeting this like Sullen
- 21:10six-year-old with these like intense mood swings or he goes
- 21:13from like, okay to like violence who doesn't like?
- 21:17Anybody doesn't know how to make any friends, has no like bonds
- 21:21with any of his family members, like, that's who Talking about
- 21:24when we discuss Earl Nelson, as a child, like he's hitting all
- 21:28the markers that are going to make him a serial killer fairly
- 21:31soon. Other weird things that happen
- 21:34when he was little. He would leave home dressed for
- 21:37school and he will return home and dirty but distinctly
- 21:42different clothing. So, how was that?
- 21:49That's the question. How is he finding kids close to
- 21:54that are dirty and worn? Where are you getting these
- 21:57from? Are you trading with is this a
- 22:00trade situation? Like, you know, kids trade food
- 22:02at lunch? Like, what is going on?
- 22:04Did you know? I don't know.
- 22:05I don't get that. Where do you get these articles
- 22:08from Sir? Exactly.
- 22:11He also had a really, like I said, he's a horrible, temper
- 22:14that violence a drop of a dime. He would steal from, like, the
- 22:18local shops. And his grandmother was like
- 22:20often called to deal with him. Being detained for shoplifting.
- 22:24In fact, he got expelled from the, it's a gosse's primary
- 22:28school before like second grade, he was seven years old.
- 22:32Oh my God. So that's also really hard to
- 22:35get. I feel like it's hard to get
- 22:36expelled when you're that young. Yeah, it's from the kind of just
- 22:40want to push you. I've hit that he's got trouble
- 22:43forming bonds. He's got this dogmatic, female
- 22:46figure. What's the thing?
- 22:47He doesn't have yet Brian, his head injury, where right?
- 22:51He's about to though because what he's 11, he's showing off
- 22:55to the kids, in the neighborhood on a bike that he got from his
- 22:57uncle and he's racing the the, the trolley.
- 23:02And as he's going ahead of the trolley, the trial, eclipses
- 23:06back wheel because the trolley can't stop.
- 23:07Yeah, he crashes head first into the ground, he spends the next
- 23:12week just in and out of Consciousness.
- 23:16It takes two weeks for him to even be like normal again.
- 23:21And of course, like we know, head injuries, exacerbate,
- 23:24mental illness and serial killers.
- 23:27So, this is the thing that was, I believe, kind of like the
- 23:30beginning of this, is about to go really mad Earl's grandmother
- 23:34dies. When he is 14 years old and
- 23:37Aunt, Lillian feels bad for him and she's like, you can come
- 23:40stay with me. No discussion about will will,
- 23:44never, is there for this kid. I realized that as I was going
- 23:48through my notes, we never hear from Uncle.
- 23:51Ever again. No dude.
- 23:53Oh wow. Looks like you're weird and I
- 23:56don't like you, the peace out, but by 14 early dropped out of
- 24:01school Lillian was 24 and she genuinely cared for this kid
- 24:06even with all of his strangeness but his psychotic behavior.
- 24:09Just got worse. After the head injury, he would
- 24:12talk to people. Nobody could see.
- 24:14He began obsessing over the Bible and quoting verses he
- 24:17particularly was into Elation Lillian discovered that when he
- 24:25came home and those dirty clothes.
- 24:27Those were from homeless people. From homeless children.
- 24:33No, I don't know about the children time, but at least when
- 24:36he was 14 he was going like he was taking the clothes of
- 24:40homeless people and maybe leaving his clothes behind like
- 24:44there's so many questions here. Like okay so I have a theory.
- 24:49Maybe he was grabbing third dirty clothes from somebody's
- 24:53laundry. That's a good idea.
- 24:55Maybe was just stealing stuff he did like to steal.
- 24:56Yeah because yeah exactly. So maybe you just walking by
- 25:00someone's Backyard is either clothes hanging.
- 25:02Oh, gosh, even worse. Like, the clothes aren't are
- 25:05like, he's like just reaching into a window and grabbing a bag
- 25:08of dirty clothes. Exactly.
- 25:09And just walking away with him. I can imagine that that makes
- 25:13sense. Yeah.
- 25:13But we're like, where else would a chunky cool worn.
- 25:16But then again, I mean, this is the time period people did a lot
- 25:18of hard labor. So your clothes being worn is an
- 25:21uncommon especially as people made their own clothes back
- 25:24then. So like listen, if you made your
- 25:25own pants, you're wearing those bad boys.
- 25:28Till they were holding. This is true.
- 25:30Oh goodness. Yes.
- 25:31But at 14 Earl out of school. He's like all right I'm gonna
- 25:35try and work can't keep a job like if he made it to a month
- 25:41that was impressive he wasn't really fond of doing a lot of
- 25:46work. He would something like say he
- 25:50like agreed to like work on like a construction site for the day
- 25:53and make like a day rate. Like even doing something as
- 25:56simple as like just being like a carry and stuff from one side of
- 26:00the other random. Do the day he would just be like
- 26:03I'm done. No.
- 26:04Just walk off the job site and never come back.
- 26:07I'll punch him so hard. He also never grew out of his
- 26:13anger from his youth. He was still very angry kid and
- 26:17even though Lillian loved him, she was afraid of him.
- 26:21She gave a lot of like, interviews after he got caught
- 26:24and she talked about how strange he was when he was young.
- 26:27Like, now we get into another aspect.
- 26:31Of serial killers, a lot of them having really bizarre.
- 26:39Sexual urges at a young age? Yeah, I believe you remember
- 26:43that. That one who said that.
- 26:45It was his parents job to teach him about sex.
- 26:47Oh, yeah, I'd denied him. Oh my God, the joy of
- 26:51bisexuality and that they were supposed to have manually
- 26:54stimulated him at six years old. Yeah, that's how you do this.
- 26:57I told you that we were. We, I do.
- 26:59Hope I have a whole bucket. Yeah.
- 27:01Okay. No.
- 27:02You told me that? Yes, I did tell you about that
- 27:04because I remember hearing about that.
- 27:06I was like, oh my God. That was Herbert Mullin.
- 27:11I knew it was unfortunately, that's also another thing that
- 27:17wrestler has noticed. It's very common that serial
- 27:20killers have some level of sexual dysfunction even if they
- 27:24are not Sexual killers. They still struggle with the
- 27:30ability to be a regular person. So Earl was a compulsive
- 27:35masturbator, and wrestler says that 80% of the people, he
- 27:38profiled have a sexual dysfunction of some kind.
- 27:42No, wait, hold on this. Chronic masturbation caught all
- 27:46the time. Really all the time.
- 27:50I'm sorry, fellows. and it's really not good for you
- 27:55physically or emotionally to rely on the endorphins that you
- 28:02are getting from said orgasm. Hmm, in the same way that also,
- 28:06if you were compulsively having sex with strangers, it's also
- 28:09not good for you, okay? Because what the person is doing
- 28:12is they're getting high off of the relief.
- 28:15What do you have just dailies? Is it like want to tie it once a
- 28:19day or like four hours? Every move is like, daily with
- 28:22your partner. It's different usually.
- 28:24That's people, you know, enriching their lives
- 28:29relationship but you could absolutely Lutely be dating.
- 28:33Somebody who has a problem like that.
- 28:36I think about that a lot with Ted Bundy.
- 28:39He was able to carry on with normal relationships, but he was
- 28:43definitely sexually dysfunctional.
- 28:45Okay, yeah. So he was able to fake the funk
- 28:48at least until he couldn't. Yeah.
- 28:49And then you'll, yeah. But he lost control and then he
- 28:52went on a spree, so yeah. But uh, Earl on top of the
- 28:57compulsive masturbation star, he daydreamed all the time.
- 29:00He lived in this, Fantasy world. He was constantly like out of
- 29:03it. He started visiting brothels
- 29:05when he was 15 years old near the Fisherman's Wharf and there
- 29:09he contracted a venereal disease 150 year old it.
- 29:14Well he's always reported as being a stocky guy and the a lot
- 29:18of pieces that he was tall too. Now I know based on when I
- 29:22looked up that he's about 58, I just don't know is 58 really
- 29:25tall in 1920 it might have been because we are a taller people
- 29:30now. They're 100 years ago, maybe
- 29:33maybe because you're taller than he is.
- 29:35Yeah, but he every report was like he's a tall stocky guy so
- 29:40he also started going to bars to and they didn't check them there
- 29:43either. Okay, Colonel is on it.
- 29:45Well, as we just now, there are laws before I was like, you got
- 29:50money. All right, we'll take your beer,
- 29:52take your patronage. So he started going on these
- 29:55like a multi-day, Benders any money.
- 29:59He didn't give his aunt to pay his Like pay the bills or help
- 30:02with the house. He would just drink and he would
- 30:05come back days later. Just jacked up.
- 30:08Bruises bloody like he got in a bunch of fights and there wasn't
- 30:13a whole lot that Lily could do. Like she had two kids of her
- 30:16own. She was very aware, that her
- 30:18nephew was mentally ill, but she was just like, and listen,
- 30:22sometimes I good times, he used to do all sorts of jokes and
- 30:25tricks and he would like, jump around and he would like walk on
- 30:28his hands and make the kids laugh and He would lift heavy
- 30:31object with his teeth, like he was a sideshow free.
- 30:34Wow. And one thing Lillian, another
- 30:37reason why she didn't kick him out right away to is because he
- 30:40was making money. She didn't know how he was
- 30:42making money. She definitely had an idea that
- 30:44it was illegal. He was making a lot of money and
- 30:47he was definitely able to help the household that way.
- 30:50So, she really, especially cuz he was gone for weeks at a time.
- 30:53Like, he'd stop by probably drop off, like 20 bucks and then
- 30:56leave. He's a mule some short, he had
- 30:59if I think so. I think he was doing something
- 31:01with drugs. So she was like, Like listen,
- 31:05you're always welcome here whatevs, but then spring of 1915
- 31:13roll, Lisa's house to go on one of his random walkabouts.
- 31:18He the older he got the more Restless he was, he would just
- 31:23disappear for weeks and then not they weren't always like the you
- 31:26know, Benders. Sometimes he just wanted to be
- 31:29away and on this day, he was out in the middle of the Wilderness
- 31:33and he broke into what he thought.
- 31:35Thought was an abandoned cabin. And he got surprised when the
- 31:40owner came back, he like fled into the woods, but he got
- 31:44chased and caught open-and-shut case.
- 31:47He was convicted of burglary sentenced to two years in San
- 31:50Quentin prison. And this definitely kind of fix
- 31:54the issue about Lily and being worried about what he might do.
- 31:58Because he wasn't there for two years, he spent that time with
- 32:03really no issues. He emerged from jail, right?
- 32:05As America was being drawn in the world.
- 32:07War one, he enlisted in the Army as Earl Farrell, he probably
- 32:12realized the Army not for him. So he went AWOL and headed to
- 32:16Salt Lake City, okay? But you didn't like Utah.
- 32:20So he re-enlisted in the military who does this time the
- 32:23Navy he was assigned as a cook in San Francisco and just like
- 32:30every other job. Quit, you know it.
- 32:33He went AWOL again after a month.
- 32:35Oh my God. He flooded from job to job.
- 32:37Job in the Bay Area, for about two months before, enlisting in
- 32:40the military, again, as a medical corpsman.
- 32:45Are you listening bag in? He kept applying the different
- 32:49branches? Come on.
- 32:53So he'd already gone AWOL from the army that he wants the Navy.
- 32:56Then he left the Navy. And he went back to the Army and
- 32:58he's like, ah, sorry y'all, I'm back.
- 33:01I'm ready to be a soldier and the military.
- 33:03He was there for like, a couple of weeks and they were like, He
- 33:08needs to be evaluated by a doctor God, so he was like,
- 33:15yeah, no, I'm good. And he left again and this time,
- 33:19he went back to the military, went back to the Navy and the
- 33:22Navy was like, we really need people right now, you know,
- 33:25World War happening. So they let him back into the
- 33:28Navy. Wasn't there are forced to go to
- 33:30their Wares immediately take you.
- 33:32Um, but like he was like I want to be in the Navy but I don't
- 33:35want to work and he's Started like prophesizing about the
- 33:40apocalypse while he was there like on base and so they were
- 33:46like, we're gonna forcibly, take him to the Napa state mental
- 33:51hospital and he is 21 at this point.
- 33:55His intake interview is weird. He's like, listen, I used to
- 34:00masturbate every day but I stopped when I was 18.
- 34:04He's like, I am an alcoholic, but I haven't had a drink in the
- 34:07last seven months. Hmm, they do a blood test.
- 34:10They find that he has both gonorrhea and syphilis know what
- 34:13she's gotten before he was even 16 years old.
- 34:17He's obsessed with God and the Bible.
- 34:20And on top of that, he kept trying to escape And he managed
- 34:25to do it twice. during the 13 months, he lived there, and he,
- 34:30but the Escape Escape attempts were so frequent that other
- 34:34patients called him Houdini Well, you didn't get away.
- 34:37Always on time, they're like, up Houdini's at it again, my boy
- 34:42Houdini. So the third time he escapes is
- 34:46in 1919 and at that point, I think the hospital staff had had
- 34:50enough to get the hell out of here.
- 34:52They're like, listen we're not going to force him to stay here.
- 34:54We know the military says he has to be here, but we're tired of
- 34:58having to chase him down whenever he if someone leaves an
- 35:01open door, there's Earl riding again.
- 35:04Thank God. So they like pretty much just
- 35:06told him military. Yeah.
- 35:08You should cut your losses with this one and then the military
- 35:11discharge him. And in his records it's wrote
- 35:15and quotations. Improved improved.
- 35:19He had not improved by any, he was still very violent
- 35:24destructive and heading right towards homicidal.
- 35:28God shortly after his Escape, he came back to on Lillian and she
- 35:34was like, I got discharged for them.
- 35:35Terry. And she's like, okay.
- 35:37And she's like, well, I can help you get a job.
- 35:40So he became a janitor at st. Mary's Hospital there he met the
- 35:44woman of his dreams. Or the woman of his creepy
- 35:48fantasy because he met Mary Martin, who was 58 years old and
- 35:52looked just like his grandmother.
- 35:54Oh, so it's creepy fetish deed. And Earl was in love.
- 36:00Uh-huh. He almost immediately began
- 36:03talking to her about marriage and Mary was like well here I
- 36:07am. I'm 58.
- 36:09There's this attractive. What like late 20s, young man.
- 36:14Who wants to be with me? She's Trying to get her groove
- 36:17back. Apparently.
- 36:18And so she accepts. And we got nothing suspicious
- 36:20about this at all. Listen.
- 36:23If like, somebody on Tick Tock who looks like, they're like 21
- 36:28hits on me. I'm like no, you are a child,
- 36:31Good-Bye Baby. That's like, you are a baby.
- 36:34No, thank you. I'm talking to him.
- 36:37He's, I'm like, sorry. You look like a child actually.
- 36:40Someone recently, it was like, 28 years old, like sent me a
- 36:43message and I was just like, oh no, thank you, I'm sorry.
- 36:50You indeed are an adult's. You are a card-carrying adult
- 36:53but it still feels weird. It's just as a personal thing
- 36:59for me. If at any point I look back at
- 37:01my life and go. Hmm.
- 37:03Like right now because it's summertime a lot of our Summer
- 37:06Camp staff are teenagers. So we like an 18 year old a 20
- 37:10year old a 22 year old like if at any time I could sit and go
- 37:13oh like we talked about stuff and like the other day a song
- 37:18came on the radio was a Justin Timberlake song.
- 37:20Okay. And so one of the little boys
- 37:22was like who made the song and so by the one teachers Coast my
- 37:27age is like I'm not telling you he went to all the other
- 37:29teachers and ask them and they didn't know because they were
- 37:34all children. When these songs came out I got
- 37:37it wasn't no Justin Timberlake. Well okay so they didn't know
- 37:41Justin Timberlake The Way I Are when he was with Timbaland.
- 37:44They know Justin Timberlake. Now as this leg Soulful adult
- 37:48contemporary singer, they don't know him like we knew him when
- 37:52he was you know, dirty path like they don't know that era of
- 37:56Justin Lake. So like if you don't know like
- 38:00if you can't Vibe with me on that music I don't know if I can
- 38:03talk to you, like one of my friends at work, loves One
- 38:06Direction. She might even listen to this
- 38:09love, you Katie, but That's not the same error of music that we
- 38:14were listening to when you were a teenager listening to One
- 38:18Direction I was in college. So yeah, like One Direction.
- 38:23Yeah. That's remember helping my
- 38:25uncle. Get a ticket for my 10 year old
- 38:27niece so she could see One Direction my God.
- 38:29And I was in high school. I was in college at this point.
- 38:32So that's just me personally, I don't know what Mary was
- 38:35thinking about here. Maybe she was just flattered by
- 38:37the attention of a younger man when a younger man comes on
- 38:41comes at Me. I'm like, yeah, sorry.
- 38:44Well, no, no, no sorry child. No, thank you.
- 38:48You are children. But Mary accepted his proposal
- 38:54and she was like, oh, that's gonna be great.
- 38:56I got this youthful young, man, I can be with what she didn't
- 39:00realize is that he was a mess and he slipped right back into
- 39:06his bad behavior. He was doing the thing where he
- 39:10would start out one day, wearing clothes and come back wearing
- 39:14different clothes. Only sometimes he would like, it
- 39:17would change entirely like some day.
- 39:19He would come back and, like, come back home.
- 39:21Like a sailor or like wearing golf clothes and she's like, how
- 39:27did you what you still doing? He's even here.
- 39:30Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're just even, he
- 39:32started stealing Mary's dresses and like, trying to craft very
- 39:36poorly made outfits out of them. So he would like, steal the
- 39:39dress, but still try and turn it into pants.
- 39:41Hey, I'm like, why are you taking your girl's clothes?
- 39:44Yeah, if you get the curtains, then he started refusing to
- 39:48bathe which worked opposite. Sit of the whole sexual
- 39:52dysfunction issue because you want her to have sex with you
- 39:57Earl but you smell bad so she refused you see the problem here
- 40:03sir. And so then he would like
- 40:06masturbate next to her in bed and she was scandalized because
- 40:09she was a good Christian woman and Catholics never masturbate.
- 40:13At least according to what I was taught in Catholic.
- 40:15So you have sex, well, they're married.
- 40:18Okay, but it was, I don't know, you're not supposed to
- 40:20masturbate a quarter. I listen.
- 40:21Remember this from high school and we were confused then and
- 40:24I'm still confused about it. I'll never understand y'all.
- 40:27It was some Bible verse about how your seeds not supposed to
- 40:29hit the ground. It doesn't hit a sock.
- 40:34It's a sock in his to tell, it's whatever, whatever but we were
- 40:38told in high school, you're not supposed to masturbate.
- 40:41Whatever. And I will say this for Earl he
- 40:45was initially kind to marry his love.
- 40:49However, did kind of shift into some pretty unruly
- 40:53possessiveness jealousy. He would get mad if she took a
- 40:56phone call from her brother, he would hit walls or throw things.
- 41:01If he thought she had been like too friendly to like the
- 41:04mailman. Oh my God.
- 41:05And she's like, I just, I just accepted the mail and was like,
- 41:08thank you. Yeah, he's like, that's too
- 41:10much. I said, thanks.
- 41:11For giving my mail not going through it.
- 41:13God, you know, and having been like, are very aggressive, like,
- 41:19a abusive relationship like people do react that way.
- 41:22They're like, huh, yeah, that smile was, you know, let him
- 41:28know. He could come back and deliver
- 41:29his mail later. Like it's bizarre tomorrow.
- 41:32Yeah. If he is a package for me,
- 41:34please? Yeah, I bet you want his
- 41:35package, don't you? I want the package.
- 41:37I ordered. That's exactly what that's like
- 41:39the weirdness. That that, that that It's awful.
- 41:42But so it's probably no surprise to you that he married a woman
- 41:48who look like his on, I'm his grandmother and that would be
- 41:52the woman that he would. The kind of women that he would
- 41:54kill at least in the beginning before he come lost, complete
- 41:57control of everything. It's very symbolic that that
- 42:01he's at this point. He's only showing like the, like
- 42:05sexual predation. He's not doing anything about
- 42:07these these desires yet, but this, the symbolic Like the
- 42:11victimology here is a lot. And for a small Time, Mary
- 42:19satisfied, his urges, I think that were linked to this
- 42:23symbolism. Those feelings about his, his
- 42:27mother figure. But eventually he started, he
- 42:30looked elsewhere. Earl began to have these
- 42:34migraines, that no one could fix.
- 42:37And it happened. He had one while he was at work,
- 42:40and he was on a ladder, and he fell down and hit his head
- 42:44again, where he was knocked unconscious.
- 42:46Double hit injury, double homicide.
- 42:52Ha ha, ha, ha. It happens all the time.
- 43:02Two days later, though. He went back to work, he was
- 43:04like, I'm fine. But it wasn't because he was
- 43:07seeing these persistent visions and hearing voices that were
- 43:10religious. He was more violent and paranoid
- 43:13with Mary. And one day they got into like a
- 43:15regular fight, he got into first started at the hospital, he got
- 43:19into an argument with somebody at work and then he went home
- 43:22and he got into a fight with Mary, about how he wanted to
- 43:25leave Palo Alto where they had their house, but she was like,
- 43:28no, I'm not leaving my job, it's a good job, it's fine.
- 43:30So he left without her. And the next day he like came
- 43:33back. He was like, no, no, I still
- 43:36want to be with you come back. And she was like no, no, thank
- 43:38you which honestly probably saved her life.
- 43:42Yeah. That kept Mary from being the
- 43:43first, his first murder victim. She walked out on me to hell.
- 43:47So our own set out to vent his frustrations and anger on women.
- 43:52So he tried to jump right into doing the murder thing.
- 43:55But he failed his first victim was 12 and she was playing
- 43:58inside of her home and he saw her through a window.
- 44:00So he pretended to be like Gasps guy and he said that he had to
- 44:04come fix a gas leak and he walked in and he like tried to
- 44:07strangle the little girl. The brother, of course hurt her
- 44:11and was soon as he saw the other man, he like, let the little
- 44:15girl go and he ran outside where the brother chased him.
- 44:18They got into a fistfight, Earl got one, good hidden and knock
- 44:22the guy down and then he took off, police searched the whole
- 44:25area and two hours later they found him on a trolley.
- 44:30Just sitting there pretending like it happened.
- 44:34Well yeah, the mug shot after that attack, he's jacked up.
- 44:40He's got scratches on his face from the little girl.
- 44:42He took a couple face shots his first night in prison.
- 44:47He like the guards are freaked out because he is screaming
- 44:52about there being faces in the walls and he is plucking out.
- 44:56His eyebrows by hand, they Mary gets a phone call from the Leaf
- 45:02and they're like, your husband's in jail but we're sending him to
- 45:05a hospital. So, Mary arrives at the
- 45:09hospital, and he is strapped to a bed in a straitjacket, crying
- 45:14and screaming about the faces. He can see in the wall and
- 45:17Mary's, just like, oh wow, I married someone who's really
- 45:21messed out. Yep, also there at the hospital,
- 45:25she learned about him. Leaving the military three times
- 45:27before getting discharged. He told come back, please.
- 45:32He's but she decided she was gonna stick with him and support
- 45:36him because he was going to be involuntarily held at the
- 45:39hospital. A month later.
- 45:42He's taken to trial and there are psychiatrists who are like,
- 45:46well, we met with him, you know, and he's kind of apathetic and
- 45:49eccentric than just, you know, destructive and he has a hairpin
- 45:53trigger. They're also like he's very
- 45:55dangerous and he's very depressed and they like, we
- 45:58can't support releasing him to his wife.
- 46:00Or to himself. He's gonna hurt her or somebody
- 46:03else. So the judge is like, oh, cool,
- 46:06absolutely. I support with this.
- 46:07And so they file a commitment order saying that he's dangerous
- 46:10to the public and they're going to send him to a mental
- 46:12institution. Unfortunately, they just didn't
- 46:15realize that they were sending him to the same mental
- 46:17institution where he'd been and escaped from three times, Napa
- 46:23State Hospital. And now, but they diagnosed him
- 46:28with constitutional psychopathy which with outbreaks of
- 46:31psychosis. So, essentially they're saying
- 46:33that like, he has these psychotic like these psychotic
- 46:37breaks but that ultimately, he does know what's going on and he
- 46:41understands what's happening to him.
- 46:42Unlike maybe someone who's a paranoid schizophrenic who is
- 46:46fully enveloped in the fantasy going on in their brain, right?
- 46:49Right. They were aware of the escapes
- 46:54before that was still on his record, so they decided that if
- 46:58he wasn't in his room that was locked, he was going to be
- 47:03restrained. And even then even while he was
- 47:06completely bound feet in hand, he tried to run away twice the
- 47:10first week. Oh, where's Hugo thing is buddy.
- 47:13What you do? Like take like four steps of
- 47:14fall over. Yeah, they put him on anti
- 47:18syphilis drug because I'm not, anybody knows this.
- 47:20But when you have syphilis for a Prolonged period of time it
- 47:24travels to your brain and it begins.
- 47:26Wreaking havoc on your brain. It mad cow disease, is your
- 47:30head, you don't eat it. So the anti syphilis drug is
- 47:34supposed to slow that process down.
- 47:37We didn't have Penicillin at the time.
- 47:39So, we didn't know that that could cure you, the drug is
- 47:42called slaver, sem, and it improved him a little bit.
- 47:46The first year, he was really Cooperative with his treatment.
- 47:49He showed he could do basic tasks, talk to people normally.
- 47:52But he wouldn't let go of the religious fixation and
- 47:54therefore, they were like, yeah, we can't release you because
- 47:57you're still talking like a creepy Christian.
- 48:01It was kind of short lived though, at about the 18 month,
- 48:04Mark, where he was at Napa, his medical records show that his
- 48:08behavior has shifted. He was frequently agitated very
- 48:12sad, the words. Quiet and Restless were used a
- 48:15lot in the documents. Earl's started refusing his
- 48:19treatment. Like he stopped taking the
- 48:21syphilis drug and he even told doctors, yeah, I'm gonna leave
- 48:25soon and on November 2nd 1923 that's what he did.
- 48:31He showed up at his aunt lilian's house in the middle of
- 48:34the night. This is a direct quote from the
- 48:37local San Francisco newspaper. He had his face right against
- 48:40the glass with a horrible crazy hat on.
- 48:42And I let out a terrible scream because he looked awfully
- 48:45insane. His eyes were just black glaring
- 48:48at me and the children rushed up to me and of course I opened the
- 48:50door because he was my own flesh and can and I loved him.
- 48:54Well Ian gave him some clothes from her husband's closet, but
- 48:57she told him, oh, it's probably not safe for you to be here
- 49:00because the hospital knows. I'm your only next of kin and he
- 49:03was like, yeah, you're right. And he ran off into the
- 49:06darkness. My God, Lillian immediately
- 49:09calls the police and at the hospital and tells them Earl was
- 49:13just here. They gets picked up on the
- 49:15street by police. Two days later they take him
- 49:18back to Napa. He's there for another 16
- 49:20months. At that point, there aren't that
- 49:22many entries into his medical records.
- 49:24Other than a final note that says, discharged and improved.
- 49:31Earl convinces, Mary, he's been cured and she takes them back in
- 49:35with a couple weeks and he starts wandering off again.
- 49:39His first official victim is Claire Newman.
- 49:42She's 62 years old. She operated several boarding
- 49:45houses in San Francisco. She was actually like an awesome
- 49:49business lady. She had properties on the east
- 49:51coast. To, I don't know how you managed
- 49:53to operate multiple properties. With just your phone, she
- 49:57couldn't like take a plane and go visit.
- 49:59Visit, you don't go but she was doing and she had family out
- 50:02there to help her. She was known for being very
- 50:04Stern with her borders. She kept a tidy Place.
- 50:07Took no Guff. She's like she the main thing
- 50:11she asked you. When you came was a, are you a
- 50:14sailor? Do you drink?
- 50:16She didn't want any Sailors are drunkards and at home.
- 50:18Well, good thing. He's, he quit being so well
- 50:22shortly after she put a sign up in one of the windows saying
- 50:25that there was a vacancy in the home that she stayed in Rome
- 50:28Nelson showed up. Dressed in a suit, and he asked
- 50:31her about the sign. He gave her a fake name and she
- 50:34let him, it was a quiet, February day, very cold, and
- 50:39Earl, didn't have any idea if she was alone.
- 50:40In fact, Claire, his nephew had just returned after dropping off
- 50:44his wife and daughter to go to the store and to see a movie,
- 50:48his name was Martin Newman and a short while later he came
- 50:52downstairs to check on the furnace.
- 50:54And he saw that there was food on the stove in the kitchen.
- 50:58And it was still like Like hot. Like the grease was still in the
- 51:01pan. And he saw Earl Nelson putting
- 51:07his hat on and leaving and Merton was like hey what are you
- 51:10doing here? And URLs like tell the landlady,
- 51:12I'll return an hour. I wish to rent the bedroom and
- 51:16he turned and he left and Merton was like that's weird and he
- 51:19went to the door but Earl was already gone when he looked
- 51:21outside. Hey, mr.
- 51:23An I think so too, myrn worked on the furnace, went back
- 51:27upstairs to do his own chores. And several hours later, he came
- 51:30back down to see that the food on the stove was, Still there.
- 51:34But now it was like cold and like the Greece had turned, you
- 51:36know, that white solidified color and he asked the other
- 51:40residents like hey if you see my aunt and they're like, no, so
- 51:44they all begin searching the whole house, they find Clara's
- 51:47body, there's lots of reports about it, but that she was found
- 51:51in the bathroom, she was on the toilet.
- 51:54The one that makes the most sense is that she was found
- 51:56inside the vacant apartment. Her clothing was pulled up to
- 52:00her waist indicating that there was a sexual assault.
- 52:03And she had been strangled but she hadn't been violated while
- 52:07she was alive. It was always afterward.
- 52:12That was only included in the autopsy report and not initially
- 52:16released to the public. Two weeks later a second woman
- 52:20in San Jose. Her name Laura Beal.
- 52:22She's killed in the same manner. She was also older, she was a
- 52:26rooming house manager, her husband returned home and found
- 52:29her missing. He gathered all the people in
- 52:31the house and they all searched everywhere they found her nude,
- 52:34from the waist down in the vacant apartment.
- 52:37She'll also been strangled with the silk Belt from her housecoat
- 52:41pulled so tightly. It cut into her skin.
- 52:45You're also violated postmortem, the newspapers were very quickly
- 52:50like well, you know, there's two women who were all killed at
- 52:54rooming houses. This is a pattern coincidence.
- 52:57They're like this is seems like the same guys doing all that.
- 53:00Hmm, police get, loads of tips. No leads found though.
- 53:07All they have is Merle Newman's Martin Newman's description, his
- 53:11tall tan white man, With a suit on and a hat.
- 53:17Another woman had seen a sallow-faced man leaving the
- 53:23beal house, but that was it. And so the Bay Area named him,
- 53:27the dark Strangler, and it was Sensational for a little bit,
- 53:34and I forgot about him. The police were like, well, he
- 53:37hasn't struck again. So I guess he's moved on.
- 53:40I guess, he's gone. Because that was February.
- 53:43Hmm, next murder happens. June 26.
- 53:46He meets Lillian St. Mary and you're going to notice
- 53:50this, but so many of these victims are named Mary Jenny.
- 53:58Hmm, I don't know if that's on purpose.
- 54:01Did he walk from boarding room? Boarding, house to boarding
- 54:03house until he found someone who had a name.
- 54:05Similar to his wife or his grandmother.
- 54:09He's weird. Anyway, my name is Lillian say
- 54:12Mary and he found her through the classified ads, she was a
- 54:16widow and she had been taking in boarders to supplement.
- 54:20Her income at her house, Earl came to look at the vacancies
- 54:23and as soon as they were in an empty room he attacked her there
- 54:27were other borders in this house though.
- 54:29That they said they'd never heard anything and they only
- 54:32stopped to even look at the apartment because it was still
- 54:35open, hmm. When that guy.
- 54:38Why found mrs. Saint Mary on the bad.
- 54:41Her clothes were torn. Her legs are open.
- 54:43Autopsy showed that while he was choking her.
- 54:46He had sat his entire weight on her chest so insult to injury in
- 54:50Crusher. Yeah.
- 54:53After assaulting her corpse he neatly folded up her coat and
- 54:57hat and sat next to her on the bed.
- 54:59She had actually been getting ready to leave when he saw when
- 55:02he came in and he left so quietly that the man who lived
- 55:06below that apartment heard nothing.
- 55:08Not even footsteps, that's crazy.
- 55:12So, police definitely do, it was the same guy, but you can't do a
- 55:15whole lot with a description, in San Francisco of tall white guy.
- 55:20So this time, a trolley conductor had seen a big man
- 55:24acting weird near, the Saint Mary's house.
- 55:27The Press were like he slips in and out of the houses, like a
- 55:30specter, like, a ghost, why Channel?
- 55:33And, like I said, I think it's funny because it's not that he
- 55:35was particularly incredible at murder.
- 55:37He was just easily forgettable and unassuming.
- 55:40He was a Big white guy, he wasn't particularly attractive
- 55:44or hideous. He wasn't overly tall or short.
- 55:48He was just regular and because he was regular nobody noticed
- 55:53him very unassuming. The police.
- 55:56However, in San Francisco were like, listen, I'm gonna need
- 56:00y'all to stop just accepting people into your houses.
- 56:02I know y'all are trying to make money but like, can you not do
- 56:05that for two months? Nothing happens.
- 56:09Everybody in California. Kind of breathes, a sigh of
- 56:11relief which is exactly what needed to happen for him to
- 56:15strike again, of course. Next time wave happens in Santa
- 56:18Barbara, which is six miles south of San Francisco.
- 56:22Santa Barbara, like a now, it's still a very beautiful beach
- 56:25town, but in the 1920s, it was a very, very small Resort town,
- 56:30full of Travelers, transient people and boarding houses.
- 56:34So it was the perfect place for him to do.
- 56:36What he does. His next victim is Ali Russell,
- 56:40she's 53. She lived with her husband and I
- 56:43was slightly older house. One of the borders woke up in
- 56:46the middle of the night to hear a banging coming from next door.
- 56:49There was a door that separated their room, kind of like, in a
- 56:52hotel. Those like, when a room shares,
- 56:54conjoining you. And so, he decides to look
- 56:56through the keyhole and he sees man thrusting into a woman kind
- 57:02of embarrassed. His name was William Franny.
- 57:05He's like oh I should like not look.
- 57:07Yeah, but like he gets curious and then he looks again.
- 57:11He sees the man's wearing like a dingy gray suit and the more he
- 57:15looks at it, he's like that. Looks like Ali my landlady.
- 57:19Huh. So he watches as the man gets
- 57:22dressed puts on his hat and leaves the room, he hears the
- 57:25hallway, door closed, the steps, go downstairs and then as he's
- 57:29watching, he's like is that blood on the bed?
- 57:33So he goes to find mr. Russell and the two men
- 57:37returned, they open the door and they find that Ali is actually
- 57:40beaten pretty badly. So at some point she must have
- 57:42fought back. She'd been hit in the face
- 57:45before she was strangled cord was pulled around her neck to
- 57:49the point that he had cut into her skin and that's why there
- 57:51was blood. This was the first time that the
- 57:55police just said whatever he's a necrophiliac just letting you
- 57:58know. Thanks, thanks for that.
- 58:00This is what he's been doing. Next, kill happens in Oakland
- 58:04California. So now we're back up, north
- 58:07Steven, Nesbitt returns home on June, 26, his wife had started
- 58:12dinner, but everything was sitting on the counter.
- 58:14Her purse was even still in her bedroom, so, he waits for a
- 58:17little bit and when she doesn't come home after like an hour or
- 58:20two, he organizes the late, the neighbors to look for her
- 58:24Stephen being aware of the news. Assumes the worst and he was
- 58:32right. And one of the empty units.
- 58:34On the second floor of the home, they found Mary.
- 58:37She was the most abuse victims so far.
- 58:40She had been suffocated by a dish towel that she must have
- 58:43had with her. Her head had been slammed into
- 58:45the floor, the tile on the floor with such force that some of her
- 58:50teeth were on the ground. They said that there was blood
- 58:53on every surface. He had strangled her with such
- 58:56force that that same dish challenge. cute must have pulled
- 58:59out of her mouth and wrapped it around her neck and I ripped
- 59:02while he was strangling her, In Portland, he's heading north
- 59:08again, October 19, betta Withers, she's 30-something and
- 59:12divorced. She's a 15 year old son.
- 59:15They find her murdered in the Attic of the boarding home.
- 59:19He had stuffed her body inside of a trunk.
- 59:23Two days later. Virginia Grant is found dead and
- 59:26stuffed inside of her furnace in the basement.
- 59:29She had been strangled assaulted after death and he had stolen
- 59:33some stuff from her including money.
- 59:36He's just upgrading after every time a few days.
- 59:40After that, Mabel fluke is found strangled in The Salted, he'd
- 59:44hidden her in the crawl, space in the Attic of her home and
- 59:48this little spree was a definite shift in our own behavior first.
- 59:51The crimes were more violent while the women were Live.
- 59:54They were happening in faster and faster secession.
- 59:56Now he was trying to hide the bodies and anybody who's watched
- 1:00:00enough Criminal Minds knows that the The Hiding aspect of this is
- 1:00:04either a forensic countermeasure or it's a sign of shame or you
- 1:00:07guilty you feel guilty about doing what you're doing.
- 1:00:10The the feeling of Shame doesn't match him.
- 1:00:13He didn't seem to care before I think for me I think it's more
- 1:00:17of the forensic countermeasure. He was trying to give himself a
- 1:00:21Chance to get away but none of these hiding spaces were good
- 1:00:26because they still found the lady within hours of her death.
- 1:00:31He briefly stops in San Francisco and murders.
- 1:00:34A 56 year old woman, Anna. Edmonds on November. 20 on
- 1:00:37November 18th. The police weren't originally
- 1:00:39sure it was him. And then one of Anna's friends
- 1:00:43was, like, I saw her talking to this tall, man, who asked her,
- 1:00:46if he could buy her house November, 19th day later
- 1:00:51Burlington, California 28 year old pregnant woman is attacked
- 1:00:55while showing her home to a potential buyer.
- 1:00:58She survives the attack and gives the best description to
- 1:01:01the Police yet, she's like he's 58 well-dressed, well-spoken.
- 1:01:04He gives off no creepy Vibes. He commented on the molding of
- 1:01:08the ceiling in her leg setting area, to get her to look up, so
- 1:01:12he could catch her off guard and Rubberneck.
- 1:01:16Couple days later. November 23rd, he murders
- 1:01:17Florence monks, in Seattle still, some of her jewelry, and
- 1:01:20he tries to pawn it. That doesn't work, so he gives
- 1:01:24it to the women and the boarding house he's staying in.
- 1:01:28Gross, disgusting. Ten days later, November 29th?
- 1:01:32He murders Blanche Myers. In Portland, Portland.
- 1:01:36Police just said, listen, stop showing your houses to strange,
- 1:01:40man. And if there are any men around,
- 1:01:43call the police and we will be there when your tenant comes to
- 1:01:47look at the property hurt. You know, just get one of your
- 1:01:49male friends to help you out two days.
- 1:01:53After Christmas, Bonnie pace of Kansas City.
- 1:01:55Missouri is strangled to death in her home.
- 1:01:58December 28th, dramani, a harpin and her eight month old son.
- 1:02:01Robert are found in there. Kansas City home, both were
- 1:02:05strangled, and I'll leave those details for folks who want to
- 1:02:08Google her husband. Found them.
- 1:02:10When he came home from work, just awful, that's a terrible.
- 1:02:15Yeah, terrible. Terrible sight by the end of
- 1:02:171926. He's murdered 14 women and he's
- 1:02:21seems like he's heading towards Canada.
- 1:02:25Also on December 23rd, the body of almora Berard was found and
- 1:02:30at Council Bluffs home in Iowa. So I think that's because it's
- 1:02:35two days after Christmas was the next one hour ago.
- 1:02:38So, yeah, that's his next attack isn't until April 27th where
- 1:02:44he's in Philadelphia and he murders Mary McConnell.
- 1:02:48He robbed her and tried to pawn her jewelry.
- 1:02:50Nobody wanted it. On his way, North from
- 1:02:54Philadelphia, he murders 53. Year old Jenny Randolph, in
- 1:02:57Buffalo New York, on May 27th, she's found under a bed in her
- 1:03:01building. Three days later he had
- 1:03:03introduced himself as Charles Harrelson to Randolph's brother,
- 1:03:07and the brother and other borders, confirmed that he was
- 1:03:10the same guy, June 1st. He's in Detroit, Michigan
- 1:03:14boarding, house manager, Fannie, Mae, and Border Marine.
- 1:03:18Atrophy are both killed. Their bodies were found by the
- 1:03:22building manager ER, who came to collect the rent.
- 1:03:26June 3rd. He murdered Mary caecilius
- 1:03:29seats, mama and Chicago. He also stole men's clothing
- 1:03:32from her home. Finally, he makes his way to
- 1:03:35Canada. And Canada is where he will, not
- 1:03:40he dies in Canada, right? Okay.
- 1:03:43He made his way to Winnipeg where he stops at a secondhand
- 1:03:47store and he likes cells off, some of that jewelry and all of
- 1:03:50his fancy clothes for workman's clothing and just cash in town.
- 1:03:55He met 14 year old Willa Cohen and they believe that was on
- 1:03:59June 8th. She was out.
- 1:04:01Selling paper flowers. Door-to-door to help her family
- 1:04:03as her. Father was recovering from
- 1:04:04pneumonia. No, one ever saw.
- 1:04:07Earl was Lola, but he must have somehow talked to the coming
- 1:04:11back to the boarding house. He was staying in because they
- 1:04:13found her body there. Several days later.
- 1:04:18Now he was staying at this woman, her name is Katherine
- 1:04:21Hill. Her boarding house with the
- 1:04:22money that he had gotten. He'd also stolen money from a
- 1:04:26second crime. He did in Winnipeg.
- 1:04:28He had broken into the house of Emily Patterson and he murdered
- 1:04:32her two days. After he killed Willa Cohen
- 1:04:35Emily. Had been bludgeoned to death
- 1:04:36with a claw hammer and stuffed under her bed.
- 1:04:39And there's this absolutely tragic story where her husband
- 1:04:42is. Like, I prayed to God that,
- 1:04:44like, God would show me where Mary was and then like, as he
- 1:04:48was standing, Up from bed. He like, accidentally moved the
- 1:04:52blanket. And he saw his wife's favorite
- 1:04:54sweater and realized that it was her under the bed.
- 1:04:58Yeah, it's terrible. Wait, a peg is in total chaos.
- 1:05:04The police are like this Anna. Lee Patterson crime is very
- 1:05:07similar to the dark Strangler if it's happening in the States,
- 1:05:12you don't say, well, so Winnipeg Police Department is, like,
- 1:05:16screw this. We're stopping at every boarding
- 1:05:18house in the area and we're talking to everybody.
- 1:05:21There you go. And they're like, we need to see
- 1:05:24all the owners. Are there any landlady's
- 1:05:26missing? So, they stopped by Catherine
- 1:05:29Hills house and she's like, oh, the only guy who's come by
- 1:05:32lately? Was this very nice Christian,
- 1:05:34man and he ran the room, but I haven't seen him for a couple
- 1:05:37days, but he paid me up until Friday and he said he would be
- 1:05:40back on Friday to pay me more money.
- 1:05:42And she's like, it's not that uncommon, because people are up
- 1:05:45there for work to be gone for a couple days at a time.
- 1:05:49After the police left, though, she got a little curious.
- 1:05:51And she's like, let me go check on his room.
- 1:05:55She knocks at the door. He doesn't answer and so she
- 1:05:57lets herself in. She said the room stank as if he
- 1:06:00had left rotten meat out. And she realized that he hadn't
- 1:06:04slept in the bed, and she was like, he must have skipped out
- 1:06:08on paying me, the rent. She's like, I'm gonna call the
- 1:06:10police and let them know that this guy's not coming back and
- 1:06:13then I she's getting ready to leave.
- 1:06:14She sees like a mannequin under the bed and she will, she
- 1:06:19realized very quickly, that's the body of our mini kilcullen.
- 1:06:24Just like, every other person Lola had been strangled and
- 1:06:27assaulted post-mortem stuff in his bed.
- 1:06:30Yeah, at this point, I think, You're listening.
- 1:06:33Earl is off the rails. He's completely unhinged at this
- 1:06:35point. Yeah, he's on the Run.
- 1:06:36He's trying to qualities murderous urges.
- 1:06:38He's grabbing anybody because a fourteen-year-old doesn't fit
- 1:06:41his pattern of sexual interest at all, but it doesn't matter to
- 1:06:46him. He just grabbed somebody.
- 1:06:47He saw on the street, he's got a lot going on for him though
- 1:06:51because the entire Royal Canadian Mounted Police are
- 1:06:54looking for him. There is fifteen hundred dollar
- 1:06:57reward out for his capture and and worse.
- 1:07:01He's a foreigner. So he's not talking like the
- 1:07:05locals, he doesn't look like the locals, he's not using the right
- 1:07:07word sticking out like a sore thumb.
- 1:07:09Yep. And so he's like, I'm just going
- 1:07:11to try and hit you right back to the US border, which only made
- 1:07:14it easier for the police to track his movements because
- 1:07:16other people were like, yeah. So we definitely saw this
- 1:07:18american guy, he dropped I'm off down the road that way he makes
- 1:07:22it, almost the US border five miles away when a cop catches up
- 1:07:27with him. See, at this point, his
- 1:07:29description had been given to been given to all of the Border
- 1:07:32towns in the entire Province. And when he stopped for food and
- 1:07:37will Copa, he was recognized and they like very discreetly like
- 1:07:41called the cops and were like, he's here, he got about a mile
- 1:07:45and a half away from what Copa when a constable stopped him and
- 1:07:49this. Took no chances drew his gun on
- 1:07:52him. Immediately was like I need you
- 1:07:53to like stop Earl surrenders, and he's taken to the Killarney
- 1:07:59Manitoba jail. He tells them his name is Virgil
- 1:08:02Wilson. He's just a day laborer, and he
- 1:08:04has no idea who this dark stranger is dark.
- 1:08:07Strangler person is, oh my God, he cooperates fully and he's
- 1:08:09like so helpful and nice that the police are like, do we have
- 1:08:13the right guy? Yes.
- 1:08:17Well, they put them into a jail cell and unfortunately like like
- 1:08:20this jail was pretty old. The Constable locks him up even
- 1:08:24though he's having like in a second thoughts.
- 1:08:28But they put him in a jail cell the way that they used to do
- 1:08:31which was no shoes. No socks and no belt.
- 1:08:34So you couldn't harm yourself and you couldn't get out.
- 1:08:37He goes to tell craft Winnipeg and tell them, we found the
- 1:08:41killer. So when he returns to the
- 1:08:44prison, he stops to get a cigar in a newspaper.
- 1:08:46He's pulling pretty good. And the jail doors are open.
- 1:08:50And Earl is gone. Oh my God, the master of
- 1:08:54unlocking Houdini strikes. Again, he managed to find a
- 1:08:59wire. Pick the double lock and Escape
- 1:09:02without being seen by. Anybody else in the prison.
- 1:09:06The Constable quickly forms. Another group, they go outside
- 1:09:08searching. Again, the Constable this
- 1:09:11points. Like listen, I thought he was a
- 1:09:12good guy but because he ran, you know, he's not in.
- 1:09:15Yeah yeah something to hide Earl found an old barn and hid there
- 1:09:18for the night. Then he found an old sweater and
- 1:09:20a pair of ice skates and he removed the blade from the ice
- 1:09:23skates and were those issues and started walking South.
- 1:09:28Harold, Schechter like wrote in his book that Earl probably
- 1:09:32thought of himself as Invincible by now.
- 1:09:35And I just got to figure like there's he meets a farmer on the
- 1:09:37road, the farmer recognizes him, but there he is standing with
- 1:09:40his big self. We're in this old-ass sweater
- 1:09:43with the holes in it, in some ice skates, without the state
- 1:09:48part on the bottom. He has to look ridiculous and
- 1:09:52he's like, I'm doing a good job. No, one can tell, it's me
- 1:09:57obviously disguise. A perfectly.
- 1:09:59Yes. What's that a song from?
- 1:10:04The Backyardigans in a super spy.
- 1:10:07Oh my God. He thought he was doing.
- 1:10:10Is it International? Super Spy thought, he really was
- 1:10:14International. Super Spy, he's very quickly
- 1:10:18found after the farmer is, like, I left him on that road.
- 1:10:22The Next Step was, they brought in nearly 40 Witnesses, from
- 1:10:25both Canada and the US confirming his identity,
- 1:10:29Catherine Hill was the nail in the coffin.
- 1:10:30As she was like, well, that's the guy who I meant the room to
- 1:10:34That's where we found the body. Even Martin Newman, came to
- 1:10:39Canada, to point him out. They discovered that his the way
- 1:10:43that he was getting around people recognizing him, was that
- 1:10:47before he would go on, Mike, his little murder spree, he would
- 1:10:50shave his face. Completely clean and clear.
- 1:10:53Hmm, and cut his hair short, then he would do the murders and
- 1:10:57then he would let his hair grow out as he was traveling.
- 1:10:59So, people would be looking for a clean-shaven, man.
- 1:11:03And he'd be walking around looking like, you know, a
- 1:11:05Ruffian. Mmm.
- 1:11:10He finally admitted that he was Earl Nelson but they were like,
- 1:11:15what about this knife? Because when he was in Detroit,
- 1:11:17he had cut the cord that he used to wrap around the righties neck
- 1:11:20when the cord on the lamp was still in the wall, right?
- 1:11:24They had burned the knife. So they were like, you have this
- 1:11:29burn knife and this was used in Detroit, he's like, listen, I'm
- 1:11:32Jew. Christian to kill anybody, what
- 1:11:33are you talking about a Christian man?
- 1:11:37Wasn't me, hope. Here is the one on man, his
- 1:11:40lawyers just decided we're just going to go with the fact that
- 1:11:43he's a complete and totally insane and he shouldn't be
- 1:11:48allowed to testify on his own behalf.
- 1:11:53As that's happening, indictments come down in San Francisco,
- 1:11:57Portland, Detroit Philadelphia and buffalo.
- 1:12:00However Manitoba's like we got the death penalty.
- 1:12:04He gets tried here. First, let us take care of
- 1:12:07killing Emily, Patterson and Lola Cohen.
- 1:12:09Let's let us do with it. So it was unlikely.
- 1:12:12He'd ever make it to the u.s. to be to see those trials detective
- 1:12:16across North America. Show up to compare notes and
- 1:12:19they managed to link Mind you this would never happen.
- 1:12:23Now in our current time but they legitimately all these us,
- 1:12:28detectives went up to Manitoba and they sat down with all of
- 1:12:33their notes and they linked him to 22 murders across North
- 1:12:37America. Oh yeah.
- 1:12:38This is only going to heaven. That would never happen.
- 1:12:40Now, people are like so like ego-driven they're like, we
- 1:12:43don't care. Yeah.
- 1:12:44Is this is your guy, our guy. Let's compare me in affect us at
- 1:12:48all. Or did it even though he had?
- 1:12:51Like a bunch of Stan's where he didn't do any crime for months
- 1:12:54at a time. His average was about one murder
- 1:12:58per month, between February 20th, 1926 to June, 9th, or
- 1:13:0210th. 1927, the trial was quick. Open insurance.
- 1:13:07It was a circus, but it wasn't nearly as dramatic as some of
- 1:13:09the trials have discussed this year.
- 1:13:12It was a big deal for Manitoba though because they had never
- 1:13:14had anything. This crazy.
- 1:13:17They had so many eyewitnesses though confirming.
- 1:13:19He was who he was that the Execution didn't have to do too
- 1:13:22much. The worst that they did.
- 1:13:24I like the defense attorneys didn't really know how to defend
- 1:13:27him so they tried to show that he was like super crazy and he'd
- 1:13:30always been crazy as whole life. They had Lily and show up and
- 1:13:34she discussed like how terrible they were.
- 1:13:36They talked about like his mental illness and Mary was like
- 1:13:40yeah after he hit his head a couple times, he got more
- 1:13:43abusive, it was very clear to anybody watching that both Mary
- 1:13:47and Lillian were trying to save him from the death penalty, the
- 1:13:50prosecution One witness a psychiatrist who called Earl a
- 1:13:55constitutional psychopath. That's the second time he's
- 1:13:57gotten a diagnosis. So legally saying and aware of
- 1:14:00what he's doing, you can leave the rest up to the jury, that's
- 1:14:03where they left that the jury. Found him guilty within an hour,
- 1:14:06Judge, Andrew dicer, gave him the death penalty.
- 1:14:10And it first, Earl was kind of a motionless, but about two months
- 1:14:13after his trial, while he was awaiting his execution, he began
- 1:14:16telling everybody, the media. Like he started writing letters.
- 1:14:20I'm innocent. He did interviews with reporters
- 1:14:23but he even requested to the high court of Manitoba that they
- 1:14:27do in a new trial, but the high court was like, that's okay.
- 1:14:32No, we already know. It was you buddy.
- 1:14:33We literally found the body of a teenage girl in your bedroom
- 1:14:36buddy, underneath your bed day before his execution.
- 1:14:41He met with the family of Emily Patterson and Lola Cohen and to
- 1:14:46Lola Cullen's mom's face He was like, I didn't kill your
- 1:14:50daughter. I don't know what you're talking
- 1:14:51about. Oh my God, gasps lighten.
- 1:14:54The next day is hanging came and went peacefully.
- 1:14:57He told reporters he was innocent and he made his peace
- 1:14:59with God. He took a step up to the
- 1:15:01Gallows, let them put the hood over his head and ironically,
- 1:15:05the king like the thing that killed the dark Strangler was
- 1:15:08strangulation, hey, If you're a fan of Hitchcock, Earl Nelson,
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- 1:17:49Okay, Nona bear with me because It's I wrote it.
- 1:17:54So another writer, but, you know, bear with me.
- 1:18:02It set the mood for you guys. The summer heat is killing you.
- 1:18:12Humidity sweat bugs. Yuck.
- 1:18:19Just want to get away. You do.
- 1:18:21You'll do literally. Anything is escape the Heat.
- 1:18:25Sitting at your computer underneath your ceiling fan,
- 1:18:28that seems to just make you hotter for some reason.
- 1:18:32When you check your emails and says congratulations, you're our
- 1:18:37lucky winner. You entered a contest.
- 1:18:40A few months ago for a free trip to Nepal.
- 1:18:44It's supposed to be cold. There you immediately pack your
- 1:18:47bags and get ready for the trip of your lifetime.
- 1:18:51Over your lifetime of the lifetime of your lifetime of a
- 1:18:55lifetime. There you go.
- 1:18:56I didn't know how to write that. That's forward.
- 1:19:01You're a Nepal, staying a lovely cabin, the weather is perfect,
- 1:19:06nice and cool, and no bugs. Choo-Choo, you're little you
- 1:19:12like you're spending a relaxing night by the fireplace when you
- 1:19:15hear scratching along your cabin, okay?
- 1:19:19Probably a tree. Scratching exactly.
- 1:19:22Then there's A thudding sound on the roof of your cabin.
- 1:19:27Maybe an owl makes sense. Yeah, suddenly a pile.
- 1:19:36The snow comes down the chimney and knocks out your fire great.
- 1:19:40It's dark as fuck in your cabin now Then there's a little Boom.
- 1:19:45At your door. What the heck?
- 1:19:48You think the banging continues until your door comes flying in.
- 1:19:56while you're hiding in a small kitchen area shivering, you peek
- 1:20:00out from the corner and see terrifying sight, A large
- 1:20:05hulking beasts standing in the doorway just can't be you say
- 1:20:10impossible is steps in searching for something.
- 1:20:14Sniffing the air suddenly spots. You lets out a terrifying Roar
- 1:20:21as it charges towards you. All you can think is well, at
- 1:20:26least I'm not hot anymore. No.
- 1:20:40So I got a question for you. What happens when a snowman has
- 1:20:44a tantrum? I don't know.
- 1:20:46He has a meltdown. That's cute.
- 1:20:50That's good. When I tell my students like a
- 1:20:52that they love silly jokes. Oh goodness.
- 1:20:57So, what the heck is my talking about today?
- 1:21:04Something that lives in the code and his abominable and it is is
- 1:21:12that I mean, it's a name that it's called that the right name,
- 1:21:19it's a name. Okay.
- 1:21:22You know we got all these weird names.
- 1:21:25Oh my goodness. They wished me well and finding
- 1:21:32someone who is as thick as the Mothman.
- 1:21:36Oh my God. Good luck.
- 1:21:40The movement do be packing. They cake.
- 1:21:44Good luck. Hope you find someone who's got
- 1:21:47a booty, like the Mothman. I was like, that's like my new
- 1:21:49favorite way that we should sign off.
- 1:21:54Yes, let's do it. So, I'll be talking about the
- 1:22:01yeti today. Okay?
- 1:22:03Yetiz the yeti whatever. Don't know much about it to be
- 1:22:09honest. Well, let me let you know some
- 1:22:12things about this, this creature.
- 1:22:18So it's name roughly translates to the thing.
- 1:22:23Which is that. Wait, the thing.
- 1:22:25The thing so creative. Yeah, I know, right?
- 1:22:29Which is funny because there's a movie.
- 1:22:31John Carpenter's called the thing.
- 1:22:33Yeah. And it's winter in like every
- 1:22:37eighth word or if it's hard to get or something like that.
- 1:22:40So during a cold spot and they're attacked by an alien
- 1:22:45shape-shifter or some type of shape shifting alien.
- 1:22:48Maybe it's Loosely, it's an alien but you know, whatever.
- 1:22:52Anyway, I mean, lots of people believe it like stuff from
- 1:22:56ancient cultures is aliens. This is true.
- 1:23:00I have this like violent angry issue with people thinking that
- 1:23:04the pyramids were built by aliens.
- 1:23:06Yes, we talked about this with my grey aliens.
- 1:23:15Don't take that away from us. Please don't let us have it.
- 1:23:18Up. You know what's funny and talk
- 1:23:20about any other original Asian Societies in Africa?
- 1:23:23We only talk about Egypt. Let us at least have that.
- 1:23:26Then I was going to say something about talk about
- 1:23:28later, which is it nothing. I'll talk about later part of
- 1:23:32here. Often those out there is this
- 1:23:34stuff. I just like that little guy who
- 1:23:36goes, yes, So the yeti or yet a or meant a different names for?
- 1:23:48Yeah, it's a large bipedal ape-like creature.
- 1:23:52That is the head has either brown or gray or more commonly
- 1:23:59known white fur. Whoo, are they related or their
- 1:24:04American cousins named Bigfoot? I mean, are we really Lee.
- 1:24:11They they are, they are closely related.
- 1:24:14I'd say, they are both ape-like creatures.
- 1:24:17Okay, that's new. I didn't think they were the
- 1:24:21same creature. Not, but you're just.
- 1:24:23Do we ever see white one? Like going to see the white ones
- 1:24:26in the snow? Yeah, I guess I have many
- 1:24:32questions. I mean, the whiteness could just
- 1:24:35be from the snow and not just because their fur is white.
- 1:24:39I mean, you're saying, Polar bears.
- 1:24:41Polar bear's. Fur is actually clear.
- 1:24:43I'm not talking about polar bears on, don't know yet.
- 1:24:45He's well if it's brown, it would look Brown on white.
- 1:24:48Yeah, but gray would pass, sure. Maybe you're just gray.
- 1:24:53Okay? But you said, there's brown ones
- 1:24:55too. There are brown ones black like
- 1:24:56those cute squirrels. No.
- 1:25:01Anyway, sorry that's okay. So the first known reference to
- 1:25:07the yeti is a 1832 issue of the Journal of the Asiana casaya T
- 1:25:13of Bengal where Native hunters in a Northern Nepal Providence,
- 1:25:20The Province, they spot a hairy until is biped bipedal creature.
- 1:25:28Okay, know, the writer of this issue is not that the hunters
- 1:25:33they saw an orangutan but yeah in Nepal Nepal and the pole.
- 1:25:42It's an appalling. I think it's cool that this is
- 1:25:44like in a real magazine. Yeah, like some little goofy
- 1:25:48like, you know, Zine, I'm afraid by a bunch of side people.
- 1:25:52It sounds like a real official thing.
- 1:25:55I'm pretty sure there's another Cryptid citing now.
- 1:25:58These will be in the news to I suppose, but probably as a joke,
- 1:26:04someone releasing like the Journal of, like medicine.
- 1:26:07And there's a lot of those like really journals that like,
- 1:26:10Collegiate people, write in, and they reference seeing a Cryptid.
- 1:26:14That's like a big deal, right? You're right.
- 1:26:18Very true. So yeah, the writer, he thinks
- 1:26:23that they may have spotted an orangutan, okay, but why isn't a
- 1:26:27racket I'm so far from home exactly.
- 1:26:34Right. Is do not exist in Nepal, they
- 1:26:40don't they don't exist in Mainland Asia at all.
- 1:26:44I realize I thought they'd have some.
- 1:26:51Yeah, we talked about phoolan Devi.
- 1:26:53I didn't know until I did that. That like they're straight up
- 1:26:56swamp, Forest areas. In India.
- 1:26:58And yeah. So like, hmm.
- 1:27:02So in 1921, on an expedition of Mount Everest Or Everest.
- 1:27:11Everest Expedition. Coronal.
- 1:27:17CK Howard, berry berry and his buddies.
- 1:27:22They found footprints that were three times the size of human
- 1:27:27tracks. Now, they had Sherpa, guys with
- 1:27:31them with force and the guides said that these Footprints, they
- 1:27:37belong to the met. A Meta.
- 1:27:41It means man-like thing. That's not a man.
- 1:27:46So yeah, description of a lot of things.
- 1:27:50Could you just imagine what if like, you know, somebody was
- 1:27:55naming things and they were just like, that's, it's tree.
- 1:27:58Like like you just look at a bush and you're like that's it's
- 1:28:02kind of like a tree. It's just shorter.
- 1:28:04Yeah, it's a tree light. It's a tree, like short thing,
- 1:28:07I'm sure that free like thing. Oh my God.
- 1:28:13But this somehow got mistranslated and turned into
- 1:28:20the Abominable Snowman. Somehow some I don't know
- 1:28:25somehow they got met a abominable.
- 1:28:30It doesn't even there's no no someone just made that up.
- 1:28:35Preferably somebody probably like from Europe or America
- 1:28:39because we love to butcher things and what's the true
- 1:28:41culture? That's very true.
- 1:28:45Now Colonel Howard, Barry said that he's all otherwise he you
- 1:28:55know he knows more than the Sherpas know so he he's growing
- 1:29:00up in this area he knows the Lord and all that stuff.
- 1:29:03All those stories sure. Considered to be like the
- 1:29:07end-all-be-all when it comes to. Yes.
- 1:29:10Okay. I'm just confusion.
- 1:29:14Oh, good. I was like, I thought that like
- 1:29:16people use the shirt like they could help from the Sherpas when
- 1:29:19they cross the what you call it the man.
- 1:29:22Yeah. But he he he disagreed.
- 1:29:26He said it was just a special brand of jerk.
- 1:29:28Yeah, he said it was a. He thought it was a gray wolf
- 1:29:31that made these footprints that were three times.
- 1:29:34The size of men's a wolf. Like could you imagine like
- 1:29:40meeting the wolf that had a size 30 foot?
- 1:29:44That's like dire Wolf's territory?
- 1:29:46Like, that's scary. Exactly.
- 1:29:49He's like, I'm like, I'm leaving the mountains then, if that's a
- 1:29:52wolf. Exactly.
- 1:29:55Yeah. But I'm not particularly fond of
- 1:29:57the woods now, and there's just regular old bears and their
- 1:30:02regular sized something bigger than that is terrifying.
- 1:30:06This is true. But guess what?
- 1:30:11There are any known Wolves and the freaking Himalayas, of
- 1:30:14course, of course, you're not. So you're wrong.
- 1:30:16So where do you even get that? I don't know.
- 1:30:21What does he look like? What?
- 1:30:22I think? He probably.
- 1:30:23Yeah. So annoying.
- 1:30:27It's just, it's just like Sometimes you had to take a
- 1:30:30backseat and let people from an area who know things talk?
- 1:30:35Yes, like sometimes you just don't have to talk.
- 1:30:40So he's over here telling people who live here and like their job
- 1:30:44is to know the land and and guide tourists in other people
- 1:30:48and help people y'all know what you're talking about, that's a
- 1:30:52wolf. That'd be a wolf training bra.
- 1:30:55There's a wolf rent anyway, in 1920, I have a fetish for those
- 1:31:01Sherpas. They probably did but I'm
- 1:31:03offended a British photographer. He spotted this at 13 at 15,000
- 1:31:11feet. By a glacier.
- 1:31:18He saw a naked figure and an outline exactly well is this is
- 1:31:23quote it's a he saw a naked figure and outline exactly like
- 1:31:29a human being walking through the snow. so, There was a
- 1:31:36humanoid figure walking around a glacier, that was naked.
- 1:31:40I don't like that. Why don't they have any clothes?
- 1:31:44Because they're Yeti movement having clothes that makes that
- 1:31:51weird but statue even worse. Well, that means the front.
- 1:31:54He's just dangling. Yes.
- 1:31:56Hang on, this is not a man. Was he does?
- 1:31:59He just not gender in a gender? Cryptid.
- 1:32:04Yeah, hmm. He's called The Mothman.
- 1:32:07I assume. That's because he looked like a
- 1:32:09my lady doesn't like he look like.
- 1:32:14He's looking like a man. Oh my goodness.
- 1:32:19Let's see. Another account.
- 1:32:21March 19th. 1954. It was an expedition team out
- 1:32:26collecting hairs in the Ping, pangboche monastery.
- 1:32:38Now, they are collecting here. Is that they believe where they
- 1:32:42had come from the scalp of a Yeti.
- 1:32:45Okay. Well, they brought the hairs to
- 1:32:50be analyzed by a mini Professor. What year was this 1954?
- 1:32:57The fun thing about this is that they're still doing this now.
- 1:33:00Hmm. People still find weird hair and
- 1:33:02they can connect it to any living or known creatures.
- 1:33:06Sure. And they're like, it's got to be
- 1:33:07Yeti or a That's watch Sasquatch.
- 1:33:11Yeah. That happened on the show that I
- 1:33:14was telling you have to watch. Yes, right Club.
- 1:33:16They showed like a toenail that was massive that they thought
- 1:33:21belonged to a Bigfoot. Oh my God, I'm going to watch
- 1:33:25it. I'm like this.
- 1:33:26Oh my God, there's only watch list. well, I thought about them
- 1:33:34after I saw him wear them, so he's an expert in human in
- 1:33:42Goodness comparative. Anatomy.
- 1:33:47So human and compared comparative Anatomy.
- 1:33:49Yeah. So after many tests they
- 1:33:53couldn't tell what animals he's here.
- 1:33:55Came from. So they like cut the hairs.
- 1:33:58They bleach the hair is they did so many things you like the
- 1:34:03exactly. Yeah.
- 1:34:05So they couldn't it's all DNA aspects to.
- 1:34:08This is fine if it matches ours or not, or other creatures.
- 1:34:11Yeah, but they couldn't find out what animal belong to but, He
- 1:34:18first said that it wasn't from a bear or an anthropods 80k, what
- 1:34:26it was probably from a hoofed animal.
- 1:34:31So like a goat. Yeah, but maybe a doesn't match
- 1:34:35what it looks like. Maybe a Sheepsquatch.
- 1:34:40Squat. Something
- 1:34:53like this one. So Yeti was supposed to
- 1:34:57supposedly had been captured in 2011.
- 1:35:03In Russia. Okay, so a hunter he sees his
- 1:35:08bare type thing, attacking his sheep and in references today, I
- 1:35:17know he fires his gun off and the creature went away on two
- 1:35:22legs. Not for right?
- 1:35:24So yeah. What the heck is this big large
- 1:35:28thing? So I guess it was captured
- 1:35:31afterwards. And then, what was it?
- 1:35:38If they captured it, what was it?
- 1:35:39And then they capture a female one as well.
- 1:35:44Ryan, what was it? If they captured it, they have
- 1:35:47to know what it is. So, apparently, this turned out
- 1:35:52to be a hoax. That was, it was either a prank
- 1:35:58or some type of advertisement, take the thing.
- 1:36:15Hilarious. Like even if it is a yeti I'm
- 1:36:18like what is this thing? So there are some possible
- 1:36:24explanations for what these things that people are seeing.
- 1:36:27Are they could be a bear. The Bears are no common around
- 1:36:36mountain ridges areas, maybe could be a wolf.
- 1:36:49Yes, far from home. Yes.
- 1:36:51Or maybe it's just like, I don't know, I'm Missing Link.
- 1:36:54Oh yeah, I've heard people say that.
- 1:36:56Yeah, maybe between humanity and like homo sapiens. man, and
- 1:37:03yeah, actually, I heard something really interesting
- 1:37:05about that which is that there were multiple Versions of a homo
- 1:37:11whatever. Yeah.
- 1:37:12Homo sapiens were the one that we are and they all lived in
- 1:37:16different parts of the world, right?
- 1:37:18And then they have found the skeletons of other like Homo
- 1:37:24erectus and other things and those things have like wounds
- 1:37:29like battle wounds so that there were some kind of homo,
- 1:37:34whatever, there's a war human Wars and Homo sapiens were just
- 1:37:38the winners. Maybe we were just smart enough
- 1:37:41to hide if you let those idea. Yeah.
- 1:37:48So there are different types of Yeti creatures.
- 1:37:54Oh yeah, there are. There's a thing called a Zoot a
- 1:38:02okay, it's translated as big thing.
- 1:38:07It's another vast nomenclature, I love it, big thing, big thing,
- 1:38:12human-like thing that thing over there, it's oh, my gosh, it's
- 1:38:18John. This is true that John, this
- 1:38:20John, if this literally the same, it's John do.
- 1:38:25Oh goodness, Jon. Jon is a joint.
- 1:38:29It's a giant. Oh, it's a drunk.
- 1:38:31John J A WN. Yes, that is.
- 1:38:36What is happening with this nomenclature there?
- 1:38:38Just like assistant. John.
- 1:38:40Oh my God. Whatever.
- 1:38:42The only thing I've ever seen that's explained.
- 1:38:43John correctly. Is that movie with Michael B?
- 1:38:46Jordan, no. Yeah.
- 1:38:49Creed. It's a thing.
- 1:38:51It's just the word for everything in Philadelphia
- 1:38:53thing. It's, it's the word for
- 1:38:54everything. Like, you know, everything is a
- 1:38:56jolt, anyway. If you sneeze so closer, you get
- 1:39:01to understanding that the better off life will be for you.
- 1:39:03So, this drawing is another animal.
- 1:39:06That's supposed to be a Yeti. I like it's a big hulking
- 1:39:09animal. That's usually quadruped at it
- 1:39:12though. Hmm, But it can walk as a biped.
- 1:39:17So it's kind of like barish Right.
- 1:39:19Okay, there's do that. Yeah, so it may be a uncataloged
- 1:39:25large bear. I don't like the idea of there
- 1:39:29being Bears, we don't know about.
- 1:39:31Yeah, they are quite scary. So this animal, this Zoo to or
- 1:39:42Des just to whatever they raid a small livestock Holdings and
- 1:39:50leave behind culprits. So yeah.
- 1:39:56So this may just be a bear a bear that nobody sings.
- 1:40:01It's a very large large bear. Um okay there's another type,
- 1:40:07it's called a tear. I'm going to say Tela Maybe, is
- 1:40:14it in an LMA? I'm not, don't say that m is
- 1:40:19silent. So, it seems to be related to
- 1:40:24arthropods. Like the Proto pygmies.
- 1:40:29Okay, so that those are spotted, you know, in the tropical,
- 1:40:35valleys of Asia. Okay, so those things I guess
- 1:40:45this was the major, the major Yeti that had been seen and
- 1:40:50discussed by zoologist, Who thought it would be caught. so,
- 1:40:57I guess they they they have not found it.
- 1:41:02This this Tesla or however you pronounce it, okay?
- 1:41:11But, you know, they found evidence of its presence being
- 1:41:15around like Footprints the so, you know, there are sightings of
- 1:41:18it. They found some stool droppings
- 1:41:21from it as well. So, you know, they thought That,
- 1:41:26you know, they were only on the trail of, you know, tracking
- 1:41:28this thing down and catching it. But by 1960s fail basically they
- 1:41:36they kind of ran out of funding for that for catching it.
- 1:41:41So the it's still on the loose somewhere. but yeah, um Yeah.
- 1:41:53Like I said, a lot of bears are mistaken to be yetis and your
- 1:41:57Yeti yetiz, yetiz. I don't know.
- 1:42:02I feel like, you feel like Yeti is like moose.
- 1:42:05Yeah, never say the ass. Hey, this is mrs.
- 1:42:11Moose, that's a squirrel and moose moose and squirrel, and
- 1:42:15some squirrel. Okay.
- 1:42:23There are some pop culture references to the yeti.
- 1:42:25Of course question, yes. Has anybody ever seen?
- 1:42:28Like, has there ever been a first like, you know, like just
- 1:42:31people like I was laying in bed and an alien took me up into the
- 1:42:34sky and I've been touched by an alien.
- 1:42:36So there's a first-hand account have there been any first-hand
- 1:42:39accounts of seeing a Yeti? Are you asking if people who
- 1:42:41have been touched by a yeti? Like I saw a Yeti, it was right
- 1:42:45there. Not like it was ten hundred feet
- 1:42:47away or like, I saw it up on a mountain.
- 1:42:50I'm going to say there are people who Claimed to have seen
- 1:42:52it like up close. Okay, so here's a story that I
- 1:42:58found while searching for Getty stuff they put up So it's a new
- 1:43:06story. It's a headline reads artist
- 1:43:09claims to had close encounter with Yeti.
- 1:43:11Okay? So apparently, this is an artist
- 1:43:16who Um, I guess he was doing something his backyard and he,
- 1:43:22you know, he sponsors Yeti and the yeti just lets him draw him
- 1:43:28on a piece of bark. You want to see the picture?
- 1:43:34No I'm I'm I just lay out and draw me like one of your French
- 1:43:38girls that's basically this is is what the yeti wanted him to
- 1:43:42do. So that's the that's the piece
- 1:43:45of tree that he drew the yeti on and he the like the yes, let me
- 1:43:50sketch it and this is like the full picture of what it looked
- 1:43:54like a really lovely photo. He's an artist.
- 1:43:58Like I mean he's an artist. So I'm going to say I'm glad an
- 1:44:04artist got to draw the Eddie. Listen, you see me on Karthik
- 1:44:08phone? You're not Oh my God.
- 1:44:16But yet like, this is like, the only encounter I've seen that
- 1:44:20like, hey, yeah, this Yeti was up close to me.
- 1:44:22He was nice and friendly. He, let me draw him.
- 1:44:25You know, we had a couple bruised afterwards and he went
- 1:44:28off hilarious. He went off back into the you
- 1:44:31know the Wilderness there was a video on Friday Club there.
- 1:44:34This guy he was like just looking out his back window and
- 1:44:37this very tall creature like runs through the back you guess
- 1:44:40his house is like back near a forest and he likes Spazzed out.
- 1:44:46And I'm like, that's the only thing I ever kind of see like,
- 1:44:48people like those kind of situations.
- 1:44:50Yeah. It's just kind of doing its
- 1:44:51thing and people are far away. Basically the guy like went back
- 1:44:54in his house he was like I'm not walking out there smart man.
- 1:45:00Oh my goodness. Yeah that's that's why I got
- 1:45:03this week 4. Creeps Ryan.
- 1:45:07It's still good. It was.
- 1:45:08This is fun. Oh goodness.
- 1:45:12Nothing spooky that. I was that scary.
- 1:45:14No, it's just a Yeti look. So nice whatever they want to
- 1:45:18do. Sometimes Cryptids don't have to
- 1:45:20be creepy. They can just be interesting,
- 1:45:23the dog and you made me sad the which one Mothman ate the dog.
- 1:45:28Don't watch. We don't know what happened to
- 1:45:30the dog. I'll never forgive you, he just
- 1:45:35Disappeared after spotting them off man.
- 1:45:38Nope. Oh my God, you got eight.
- 1:45:43The dog may have gotten eaten by the Mothman giant bug, man, who
- 1:45:46knows dad? Anyway, thanks for listening as
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