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Mega Edition: The Sarah Ransome Deposition From The Maxwell/Virginia Roberts Lawsuit (Part 5-7) (5/30/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
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  off with the Sarah Ransom deposition. So let's dive right
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  back in, shall we. Manager, Approximately, how many times do
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  you recall being paid to spend dinner with a gentleman
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  in New York when you were living here in late
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  two thousand and six? Ransom? I can't remember, Manager ten times,
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  mister Gergis objection, Ransom. It could be it wasn't yet.
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  It could be that it wasn't really to this, She's
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  interrupted by Manager. Apart from that income, did you have
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  any other source of income? Mister Gergis, I'm sorry. Off
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  the record for a second, and off the record discussion
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  is held. Manager gets back to it. I think there's
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  a question pending requested. Portion of the record was read back. Ransom, Yes,
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  I did. Yes, Manager. What were the other sources? Ransom, Epstein, Manager,
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  any other sources? Ransom? No? Manager? Who introduced you to
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  Jeffrey Epstein? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? And how did you meet redacted? Ransom?
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  I met her in a nightclub? Manager, do you know
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  which nightclub? Ransom? I can't remember the exact name. It
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  was a rock club. The owner of the club, his
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  name is redacted. Yeah, his name. It's quite a well
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  known club. If you google the name redacted, you'll find
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  the name redacted, the nightclub's owner. He's quite famous in
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  New York. Manager, do you know where in New York
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  the club is located? Ransom? I can't remember. I don't
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  know the exact location. Manager. Were you there socially or
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  were you working Ransom socially? Manager? And were you there
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  with anyone? Ransom, I can't remember. I would have been
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  with an acquaintance or something, but I can't remember who
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  I was with. Manager. Were you able to make some
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  friends with people here in New York when you moved here, Ransom? Yes,
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  redacted and redacted, a girl name redacted. There were a
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  few others I can't remember there. They weren't close friends,
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  they were just acquaintances. You don't really make friends in
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  New York. Manager, tell me about your meeting of redacted Ransom.
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  She was very attractive, I think redacted, very friendly, very
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  beautiful girl, very friendly, very beautiful girl, very We clicked immediately. Yeah,
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  she approached me. I wasn't Yeah, I didn't go out
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  of my way to meet any friends in a nightclub,
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  so especially girls. Menager, What do you mean she approached you, Ransom?
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  So when I go to the club, I don't really
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  speak to girls. I speak to guys. So redacted approached
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  me and came on to me. Manager. Where were you,
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  Ransom in the nightclub? Manager? Where in the nightclub? Ransom?
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  I can't I can't remember the exact location. Manager. Were
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  you at the bar area, on the dance floor, in
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  the bathroom, Ransom? I would say she pretty much hit
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  on me everywhere in the club, Menager. Was there a
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  dance floor, Ransom, Yes, there was, Menainger. Was it a
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  one floor club or two floors? Ransom? I can't remember
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  how many floors, Menager? And what did she do to
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  hit on you, Ransom? She befriended me, Yeah, she kissed me, Menager.
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  Where did she kiss you, Ransom on the mouth? Menager?
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  Anywhere else? Ransom? Ken is that in general or at
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  that Menager? I'm just talking about the first time that
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  you met her, Ransom. The first time we met, Menager, Right, Ransom,
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  I can't remember if we had sex the first night
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  we met, but we definitely were intimate the first time
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  we met. But I can't remember if we had sex
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  on that first night, Menager. Okay, was that consensual sex? Ransom? Yes?
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  It was with redacted? Menager? And where did you have
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  consensual sex with redacted? Ransom? In the club the first
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  time we're in the club? Ransom? In the owner's office.
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  Manager was the owner present? Ransom? Yes, the owner was present?
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  Manager redacted and redacted? Ransom? Is that? I don't know
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  his surname? So is it redacted? I can only give
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  you a description of redacted if you want, Manager, Sure,
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  this whole next section is redacted. Menager. Okay, So you
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  and redacted and redacted had consensual sex in redacted's office.
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  Mister Gergis objection. Ms McCauley, objection. Manager, is that right? Ransom?
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  That's correct? Manager? Did I get that wrong in any way?
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  Mister Gergis, here's the question, Sarah Ransom, Yeah, that's correct. Manager.
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  Was anyone else present? Ransom? No? Manager. Did you have
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  any alcohol that night? Ransom? I did? Manager? How much? Ransom?
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  Not enough to forget or blackout? So not much. I
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  was able to make decisions? Menager. Do you recall what
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  you were wearing? Ransom? No, I don't. Menager. Did you
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  have any cocaine that night? Ransom? I don't remember. Menager.
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  Did you use cocaine during the fall of two thousand
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  and six? Is that a real question? Who didn't use
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  cocaine in the two thousands, especially if you're a model
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  and you're out at clubs? Ransom? Yes, I did, Menager?
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  And where did you get that cocaine? Ransom from redacted
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  and redacted? Menager? Anywhere else? Ransom from Redacted's best friend,
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  a guy named redacted. I don't know how to spell that.
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  Menager anywhere else? Ransom, no menager? Did you pay for
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  any of the cocaine? Ransom? No menager. Did you use
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  any of the controlled substances in the fall of two
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  thousand and six? Ransom? No menager? Did you take any
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  prescriptions in the fall of two thousand and six? Ransom?
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  I did, Menager? What did you take? Ransom? Jeffrey psychiatrists
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  prescribe me lithium riddle in, and there was a bipolar
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  prescription drug that was also prescribed to me by Jeffrey
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  Epstein's psychiatrist. I can't remember the exact name of the
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  bipolar drug, but I was started off with lithium and
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  Riddlin Meninger. Okay, what was the name of the psychiatrist, Ransom,
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  I can't remember her name, Meninger. It was a woman, Ransom,
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  it was a woman. Manager. And where was she located? Ransom,
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  I can't. I can't remember the exact location of her office. Manager,
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  can you describe the office in any way? Ransom? I
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  can't remember, Menainger. Did anyone go with you? Ransom? No,
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  I went on my own, Menainger. Where did you go
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  to get your prescription filled? Ransom? A pharmacyior Jeffrey Epstein's
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  apartment that I was living in at the time. I
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  think it was Dwayne Reid. Manager. Were they in your name? Ransom? Yes,
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  they were Menainger. Were you taking these in the fall
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  of two thousand and six or in two thousand and
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  seven or both? Ransom? Jeffrey first put me in touch
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  with his kiatrist. It was before it was Yeah, it
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  was well before December, so it was the fall of
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  the fall winter going into winter of two thousand and six. Manager.
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  Do you recall what month you came to the US, Ransom?
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  It was September of two thousand and six. Manager. Did
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  you leave and come back in October, Ransom. I think
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  I may have. I may have made a trip to
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  London or like a quick brief trip. Manager. Who paid
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  for that, Ransom? I can't remember, Manager, Why did you
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  go back, Ransom? I can't actually remember why I went back? Manager,
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  So you think you came in September, Ransom. I know
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  I came in September, Menager, and you said you could
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  only stay for three months, Ransom. And then I left
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  the country briefly for a day. Then I came back
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  in again. Manager, When did you do that? Ransom? So
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  if you look at my passport when I entered, you've
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  got my passport. So I arrived on the first, I
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  think of September, and then it was just before the
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  three months were up, and then I left. I think
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  that was the trip that I made to London in
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  October November. October November, yeah, so I was. I left
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  before the due time that my tourist visa was up,
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  and I spent the summer and I came back. Manager.
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  Where did you go, Ransom? I think it was London.
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  I went to I went to London, and then Jeffrey
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  paid for a flight for me to visit my family
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  in South Africa in February. Menager. Okay, so there's two
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  trips to London we're talking about. There's one you went
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  and you came right back. Ransom. I only recall one
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  trip to London. I didn't really kind of catalog every
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  trip I made. I did a lot of traveling during
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  my time in the US. So, Menager, have you traveled
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  a lot before you came to the US? Ransom, Yeah,
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  I spent my whole life traveling, Menager. How were you
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  able to do that? Ransom through savings, through waitressing jobs,
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  that kind of thing. Menager. Did your family ever pay
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  for you to go on trips? Ransom? No, Menager, never,
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  Ransom No, Menager. Does your family travel? Ransom? Yeah, they travel.
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  They go on holidays overseas, they go on holidays. Managers.
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  So you said you got a passport your whole life.
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  I think you said, right. Ransom. Well, I can't remember
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  the specific date when I was, like from three to
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  five when I got my passport. I didn't arrange my
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  passport at three years old. My mom kind of did that.
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  So I've always grown up with a British and South
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  African passport. I had dual nationality right from the get
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  go Manager, right. So when you were a child, did
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  you travel internationally? Ransom? Yeah, I did to visit my
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  family in Scotland, Menager. And apart from the UK and
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  South Africa, did you go anywhere as a child, Ransom.
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  We went on holidays and Africa. Maybe I went to
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  Scotland to visit my family. Yeah, possibly, I don't remember, Menager. Okay, Ransom.
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  They weren't photo happy in my family, Menager. They were
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  what Ransom, they weren't photo happy. So Maxwell, So back
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  in the fall two thousand and six, you were here
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  for three months and then you left, Ransom. Yeah. I
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  didn't want to go over my visa and get in
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  trouble and I wasn't making much money anyway, and Jeffrey
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  was with FIT so he was going to organize me
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  at visa so I could stay. So I didn't do
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  anything wrong or illegal with my visa. Just to clarify, Menager,
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  I understand. I'm just trying to get the timing of
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  when you were here and when you left and then
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  you came back, Is that right, Ransom? So the duration
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  that I was here, I arrived in September and I left.
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  I think it was the first of May. So during
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  that time, there was a trip that I made to
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  South Africa to visit my family, and there was a
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  trip to London. I don't recall. I don't remember any
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  other trips that I made during that duration of time
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  away from Jeffrey and Glane. If you understand on my
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  independent own Menager, Right, So if you came in September
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  and you could stay for three months, Ransom? Uh huh? Manager,
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  so you left in December McCauley objection, asked and answered Ransom, September, October, November. Yeah,
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  I did. I did make a trip too. I don't
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  recall those specific dates, but I did make a trip
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  to London and I did make a trip to South
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  Africa in February, so I don't manager. Did you go
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  from London to South Africa? Ransom? I don't remember the
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  exact trip itinerary, but yeah, I flew to South Africa
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  on a plane Manager from London, Ransom from New York Menager. Okay,
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  so your recall having been on two trips independently between
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  September two thousand and six and May of two thousand
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  and seven, Right, one to London and one to South Africa.
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  Ransom yeah, that's correct, Menager. And the one to London
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  you recall being a brief trip to then allow you
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  to stay in the country longer. Ransom. I don't remember
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  why I went. I don't even remember the trip. Okay,
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  I really don't recall. I probably visited my mom or whatever.
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  I just know that I made two trips during that duration,
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  and I know that I did not go over the
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  three month thing. So I made those four specific reasons, Menager. Okay, Ransom,
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  but those I just wanted to make clear that those
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  were the only two trips I made independently without Jeffrey aiding,
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  and I would like to make that clear. I made
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  multiple trips with Jeffrey, so independently I did those two, Menager.
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  Were any of your trips with Jeffrey International Ransom? No, Menager,
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  Can you tell me when in your stay in the
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  US you initially met redacted Ransom? It was pretty soon
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  after I arrived. I can't remember the exact timeframe. I
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  think it was about maybe two three weeks after I arrived, Menager.
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  Were you living at redacteds Ransom? Yes, Menager. Did you
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  consider yourself in a relationship with redacted Ransom? No, we
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  were just having fun and she was really friendly. And
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  I didn't know anyone in New York, so, and you know,
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  I wanted to make friends. She was a girl and
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  she was just very friendly pretty. Manager. Was she also
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  involved in the fashion industry at all? Ransom? I don't recall.
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  I just recall her working for Jeffrey. Manager. What did
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  you observe her doing for Jeffrey Ransom? The exact same
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  thing she did with me. She recruited me and she
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  was paid for it. Manager. Okay, did you see her
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  get paid Ransom? No? Manager, how do you know that
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  she got paid ransom? The girls told me Manager. Who
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  were the girls? Ransom? I can't remember their names? Menager, Okay,
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  so the girls told you that redacted got paid by
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  Jeffrey Ransom. That's correct. Manager. So what did you see
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  redacted do for Jeffrey? Answer by Ransom, Well, she recruited me.
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  I think she recruited other girls for Jeffrey. Manager. Did
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  you see her do that, Ransom? No, but I met
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  some of the other girls that had been introduced to
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  Jeffrey Englaine via redacted. Manager got it? So you were
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  recruited by redacted? Correct? Yes? Or no? Answer by Ransom. Yes, Menager,
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  and you met other girls who knew were adacted and
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  Jeffrey correct, Ransom, Well, all the girls knew each other, really,
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  all the girls kind of Menager interrupts her. Are these
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  the same girls that are in the apartment building or
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  a different set of girls, Ransom, A different set of girls, Menager? Okay, Ransom,
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  you know there was a constant flow of women girls, Menager.
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  So where did you see these other girls? Answer? In
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  Manhattan with Jeffrey. A few social occasions that we went
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  on the island on the plane, Jeffrey Epstein's plane. I
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  met girls everywhere every time I went with Jeffrey. Well,
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  not every time, but he was always surrounded by new girls.
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  I couldn't keep up with the names, to be honest,
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  That's why I can't remember any of them. Menager. Getting
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  back to or redacted. You met her at the nightclub? Ransom?
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  Uh huh? Menager? Did she work as a model at all? Ransom?
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  I wasn't quite clear what she actually did, To be
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  honest with you, I absolutely have no idea Manager. Do
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  you know where she lived? Ransom? No, I didn't. I
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  don't know where she lives. Meninger, did you ever go
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  to her apartment. Ransom. No, Menager, when is the last
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  time you talked to her? Ransom? I haven't, I think
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  before I left New York. All right, So we're gonna
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  wrap up this part right here, and in the next episode,
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  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
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  the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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  to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick
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  up where we left off with the Sarah Ransom deposition.
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  So let's get right back to it, shall we. And
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  once again it's Laura Meninger who's asking the questions. Menager,
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  did you have a cell phone when you were in
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  New York? Ransom? Yes, I did, Menager. Do you recall
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  who your cell phone provider was? Ransom? I don't remember, Menager.
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  Do you know your cell phone number? Ransom? I have
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  no idea, Menager, when you were living in New York?
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  Were your parents living in South Africa? Ransom? My dad
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  was living in South Africa, my mom was in the UK. Menager,
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  can you tell me about your first conversation with her redacted? Ransom?
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  I can't remember my first conversation with her. Menager, can
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  you remember any conversation with her? Ransom? Yeah, I can.
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  I can remember chatting. She was my friend. I mean
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  we spoke about everything. We spoke about life with Jeffrey.
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  We spoke about Golaine, we spoke about the other girls.
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  We spoke about redacted. She was a really nice girl
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  as well. Like we often got coffee with each other,
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  lunches and dinner. Menager, Okay, do you remember any specifics
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  of your conversation McAuley objection, asked and answered, Ransom. We
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  spoke very frequently about the faces Jeffrey used to pull
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  when he used to masturbate over the girls, which she
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  was quite funny. We spoke about Glaine quite a lot,
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  and what a monster she was. She's really not a
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  nice person. So yeah, I mean we spoke about all
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  kinds of things and them a lot actually, Menainger, Okay,
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  so you spoke about the faces Jeffrey made when he
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  would masturbate over the girls, Ransom, and the way he
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  spits on his hands when he masturbates. It's really gross.
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  It's quite funny, Menager. Any other conversations with here redacted
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  that you remember, Ransom? I remember I didn't really get
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  on with Glaine, as I said, she in my opinion,
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  she's not a nice person. I didn't really get her,
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  and Jeffrey Epstein promised me going to fit, so we
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  frequently spoke about just every day things, you know, redacted
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  and I redacted. Really, Jeffrey Epstein and I once had
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  a fight, and redacted patch things up between us because
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  I didn't want to speak to Jeffrey anymore. I often
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  spoke to redacted about why Glaine didn't like me, and
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  why the other girls didn't like me. Redacted didn't like me,
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  Golaine didn't like me, or redacted definitely didn't like me. Yeah,
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  that kind of stuff, menager, how is it that you
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  came to meet Jeffrey Epstein ransom through redacted manager? Tell
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  me about that ransom. I first met Jeffrey. Redacted introduced
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  me to Jeffrey. She kind of described them to me.
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  She knew I wanted to go back to school to
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  get a degree, and I was really battling financially because
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  at that time I wasn't really modeling material. So yeah,
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  she told me about this guy who was really wealthy,
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  a philanthropist, you know, really enjoyed you know, he really
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  cares about people, and he really wants to help them,
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  and he was a really good, decent guy. Then we
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  he was helping her at that time, as well as
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  redacted and other girls. Menager, that's what she told you, Ransom. Yes, Menager,
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  Where were you when redacted was describing Jeffrey Ransom? I
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  can't remember the location, but I mean she first described Jeffrey.
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  I think it was the second time we met, because
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  I had discussed with her that I was struggling financially
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  because of my modeling career hadn't really taken off as
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  I had hoped it would, so I was, yeah, she
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  wanted to help, Menager. And you don't remember where you
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  had this conversation, Ransom, No, not specifically the exact location, Menainger.
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  Was it in person or was it over the phone? Ransom?
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  It was in person, Meninger. Was anybody else there, Ransom?
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  I think redacted could have been and redacted could have
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  been there too. A few other people could have been there,
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  various people. She was quite open about it, Menager. And
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  do you know when this was in the fall of
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  two thousand and six, Ransom, It was very close to
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  after I had first arrived, So it was quite soon
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  after I arrived. I don't know specifically if it was
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  three weeks or two weeks, but it was quite soon
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  after I first got to and then to this. Menager
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  interrupts her. Okay, so did you meet Jeffrey? Did you
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  agree to meet Jeffrey? What happened next? Mister Gergis objection
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  to form? Menager? What happened next? Mister Gergis objection to
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  that one too, Ransom? I agreed to Yeah, I met Jeffrey. Menager?
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  How Ransom, we went to the first meeting I had
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  with Jeffrey was at the cinema. There were about ten
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  other girls with him. Menager, How did that meeting get arranged?
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  Ransom redacted arranged it and said she had spoken to
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  Jeffrey and Jeffrey wanted to meet me. Manager. And what
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  movie did you see? Ransom? I can't remember what the
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  movie was. Manager. Did you sit with him? Ransom? Yeah?
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  I did? Manager next to him, Ransom, I can't remember
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  if it was next to him, but I was close by, Ransom.
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  You redacted ten other girls and Jeffrey Ransom. I don't
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  know if it was exactly ten, but or were there
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  were many other girls there. There was like a big
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  group of us, Menager. And where was the theater Ransom?
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  I can't remember the exact location, but it was quite
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  a prominent. It was a big cinema. It was like
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  a huge like one of your main cinemas. Somewhere is
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  there a cinema on Lexington? Maybe? I don't know. Sorry,
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  navigation is not my strong point. I'm going to stop speculating.
• 21:24
  I'm sorry, Okay, I said it for you. I don't know, Menager.
• 21:28
  It was somewhere in New York, Ransom. It was in
• 21:31
  New York, Menager. And you went with redacted ransom? Yes, Menager.
• 21:35
  How did you go ransom by cab? Menager? From your
• 21:39
  apartment with redacted ransom? Yes, Menager, And tell me about
• 21:44
  your experience at the cinema Ransom. I bought popcorn and
• 21:48
  sweets and juice, and I had an awesome time watching
• 21:52
  the movie with a bunch of new people, Menager. And
• 21:55
  you don't remember the name of the movie. Gergiz Objection Ransom, No, Menager?
• 22:01
  And what happened after the movie was over, mister Gergis
• 22:04
  Objection Ransom. I got in a taxi, Menager, and Gurgis objection, Menager,
• 22:10
  what's the objection? Gurgis the objection the question and objection
• 22:15
  to form. That's a good objection, Ransom. I went home, Menager.
• 22:21
  When was the next time you met Jeffrey Ransom? I
• 22:24
  can't remember specific I can't remember. I think I met
• 22:27
  him again. I'm not trying to speculate. I think I
• 22:30
  met him in New York again. I can't remember the meeting.
• 22:34
  I then met him again on his private plane. Manager,
• 22:38
  So you believe the third time you met him was
• 22:40
  on the private plane, Ransom. That's correct, Menager. And do
• 22:44
  you remember anything about the second time that you met him? Ransom? No,
• 22:48
  I can't remember, Menager. And do you know how long
• 22:52
  after the first time you met him the second time?
• 22:54
  Was Ransom? Pretty soon after? Menager? What does that mean
• 22:58
  to you? Ransom? Couple days? Manager. Where did you meet
• 23:02
  him that second time? Ransom? In New York? Menager? Where? Ransom,
• 23:08
  I can't remember. Menager at his house? Ransom, No, it
• 23:12
  wasn't at the house, Menager. Was anyone else there the
• 23:16
  second time you met him? Ransom redacted? Menager? Anyone else? Ransom, No,
• 23:21
  not that I recall, Menager, anything memorable about that event? Ransom. Nothing,
• 23:26
  nothing memorable, Menager. Anything sexual happen at the second meeting, Ransom,
• 23:31
  no Menager. At the first meeting, Ransom, no Menager. How
• 23:36
  did the flight meeting become arranged? If you know? Ransom?
• 23:40
  So it was a pretty last minute thing. Redacted phoned
• 23:43
  me and said that Jeffrey Epstein would very much like
• 23:46
  to have me go to his island. It was going
• 23:48
  to be so much fun. It was going to be
• 23:50
  a girl's week. There were lots of other girls going.
• 23:53
  We were going to have so much fun. Et cetera,
• 23:55
  et cetera, et cetera. Menager. And what did you do,
• 23:59
  mister gergis subjection? Ransom. I went on the I went
• 24:03
  with them to the island, Menager. Where was the plane located? Ransom.
• 24:08
  I can't remember the exact airport. I think it was
• 24:11
  either Newark or JFK. Menager. Did you fly commercially or private? Ransom? Private? Menager?
• 24:18
  Was it Jeffrey's plane? Ransom? Yes, Menager? Who else was
• 24:22
  on the plane? Ransom? Redacted and redacted? I would like
• 24:26
  to say redacted, but I can't remember her specifically being
• 24:28
  there on the first trip, So redacted and redacted. We're
• 24:32
  definitely there. Menager. Had you met redacted before? Ransom? No? Menager,
• 24:39
  and you don't remember anyone else? Ransom, No, it was
• 24:43
  I mean there were always new people around, Jeffrey and Glaine,
• 24:46
  so I don't really to this. Menager interrupts her, Well,
• 24:50
  you just said en Glaine. Was Glaine there? Ransom? No,
• 24:54
  not the first time, Menager. And do you recall what
• 24:57
  month this was, Ransom. I can't remember what month it was, Menager.
• 25:01
  It was sometime during your first three month period, Ransom. Yeah,
• 25:05
  it was within that first three months, Menager, So sometime
• 25:09
  between September and December, Ransom. That's correct, Menager. And did
• 25:14
  you have a camera with you when you went, Ransom?
• 25:17
  I did, Menager? Did you take pictures? Ransom? I took
• 25:21
  a couple. Menager described for me what happened on the
• 25:24
  plane ride. Ransom redacted, walked in, sat down in front
• 25:29
  of me, redacted. We all buckled up, We took off
• 25:33
  the rest of the passengers in the I think it's
• 25:35
  towards the front of the plane where all the seats are.
• 25:38
  All the guests were fall asleep. I pretended to be asleep.
• 25:42
  Jeffrey then went Jeffrey went to his was in his
• 25:45
  bed on the plane having open sex with redacted for
• 25:48
  everyone to see on display. Menager, did you participate in
• 25:52
  that sex at all? Ransom? No, I did not, Menager.
• 25:56
  Did anyone ask you to Ransom? No? Menager. Did you
• 26:00
  in redacted have any sexual relationship on that plane the
• 26:03
  first plane ride? Ransom? No, Menager. Were you still having
• 26:07
  an occasional sexual relationship with redacted at that time? McAuley objection, Ransom,
• 26:14
  I can't remember, Meninger. What types of sexual relationship did
• 26:18
  Jeffrey and redacted have on the plane in your presence? Ransom? Well,
• 26:22
  Redacted with straddling Jeffrey for quite some time. I watched
• 26:25
  them both ejaculate with each other. They were having quite
• 26:28
  a good time together, Menainger. How long was the plane ride, Ransom, gosh,
• 26:34
  A few hours? A few hours, Meninger. Did you say anything, Ransom, No,
• 26:39
  I was a guest. I thought it would be quite inappropriate, Menainger.
• 26:43
  All right, Can I ask if you could just draw
• 26:46
  a layout of the plane. I'm going to reach over,
• 26:49
  just kind of describe where everyone was sitting and the
• 26:52
  bed area. Ransom, I don't remember if it was the
• 26:55
  back or the front. The front of the plane. I
• 26:57
  think there was around there was like around bed. At
• 27:00
  the back of the plane, there was seating. Pilots are there.
• 27:04
  Redacted walked in with her Louis Vuitton handbag. She sat
• 27:07
  there in front of me at the side of the plane,
• 27:10
  so there was seating there, Meninger, can you just write
• 27:13
  redacted next to that? To this, Ransom says, okay. Then
• 27:17
  Meninger interrupts her, so I will remember later, Then Ransom
• 27:21
  interrupts her. Redacted sat there when she first walked in,
• 27:25
  and I remember her specifically with a Louis Vauton handbag
• 27:28
  that she had a black one. Meninger, Okay, and where
• 27:32
  were you sitting, Ransom? I was sitting opposite her, and
• 27:36
  then I think we changed positions or there was I
• 27:39
  just remember at the front there was seating here, Okay, Meninger, Well,
• 27:43
  where was redacted sitting? Ransom, I don't remember where she
• 27:48
  was sitting. Meninger. Can you just put where the other
• 27:50
  seats were if you don't remember who was in them, Ransom,
• 27:54
  I remember there was seating here. I think there was.
• 27:57
  I'm speculating here, but I can't remember if they were
• 28:00
  sitting on the other side of the plane. I can't.
• 28:03
  I just remember that I sat on a seat in
• 28:05
  the front of the plane and there were people opposite me. Meninger.
• 28:09
  When you say opposite, do you mean in the front
• 28:11
  and back of you, or are you saying to the
• 28:13
  sides Ransom in front of me? Meninger, okay, Ransom. So
• 28:18
  it's like a seating Meninger. Is it one seat in
• 28:21
  a row? Ransom. I can't remember the specific layout of
• 28:24
  the seating on the aircraft, but I know there's a
• 28:27
  big fat round open there's a bed on the back
• 28:30
  of the plane. Meninger, okay, Ransom, which there is no doors,
• 28:35
  so you can quite easily have sex and show the
• 28:37
  whole plane, which is how it's designed. I'm guessing Meninger, okay, Ransom,
• 28:42
  because there's no privacy around the bed. Meninger, I understand.
• 28:47
  Can you just draw where the other seats are? Though
• 28:49
  mcaulay objection, asked and answered, Ransom, I don't remember where
• 28:54
  the other seats are. I remember me sitting in a
• 28:56
  specific airplane seat at the beginning, you know, at the
• 28:59
  front of the plane. I don't remember the decor of
• 29:01
  the plane. I remember there was a bed, it was open,
• 29:04
  it was an open plan, Menager. Were there are bathrooms
• 29:07
  on the plane? Ransom? Yes? Menager? Where were they? Ransom?
• 29:12
  I can't remember where the bathrooms were located on the aircraft, Menager.
• 29:16
  Do you know what kind of plane it was? Ransom?
• 29:19
  It was nice, big plane. Yeah, it was a plane,
• 29:21
  a plane, Menager. Had you been on a private plane before, Ransom? No? Menager.
• 29:27
  Do you know how many people it carried? Ransom? I
• 29:30
  just know it's a plane, Menager? Can we mark that?
• 29:33
  Can you mark that as defendants? Exhibit one? Gurgis, have
• 29:37
  you seen it before you want to market? Menager? It's
• 29:40
  really bad. Do you want me to redraw that? It's
• 29:42
  really embarrassing. I'm not an artist or anything. It's really bad.
• 29:46
  Mister Gergis just handed over defendants Exhibit one, hand drawn
• 29:51
  picture marked for identification. Was there a kitchen on the
• 29:55
  plane that you recall, Menager? Ransom answers. I can't remember
• 30:00
  any no, Menager. Was there an office area? Ransom? I
• 30:04
  can't remember the layout of the plane. I remember the bed.
• 30:08
  The only thing I remember is the open plan bed
• 30:11
  where I watch redacted and Jeffrey have sex, Menager. Apart
• 30:15
  from the Louis Vaton bag. Do you remember what redacted
• 30:19
  was wearing, Ransom. I just remember she had a black
• 30:23
  Louis Vauton handbag, and I don't remember what she was wearing. No,
• 30:27
  but I remember the black handbag because I liked it
• 30:29
  so much I bought the red colored version a few
• 30:32
  years later. It was really nice. All right, folks, we're
• 30:35
  gonna wrap up this episode here and in the next episode,
• 30:38
  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
• 30:41
  the information that goes with this episode can be found
• 30:44
  in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
• 30:48
  to the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick up where we
• 30:52
  left off with the Sarah Ransom deposition. So let's get
• 30:56
  back to it. Menainger, How long did you stay on
• 30:59
  the island during this first trip? Ransom? A few days? Menager?
• 31:04
  Was it a week or two days? Ransom? I can't remember. Manager,
• 31:09
  apart from redacted and redacted Jeffrey in yourself, is there
• 31:12
  anyone else you recall being on that first trip, mister
• 31:16
  Gergis objection Ransom on that particular first trip, I can't remember.
• 31:21
  I just remember redacted, redacted, Jeffrey myself on the first trip. Manager,
• 31:26
  when you got to the island. Was there anyone else there? Ransom? Yes,
• 31:31
  there was a lovely couple from Zimbabwe somewhere in Africa.
• 31:34
  I think they were either South African or from Zimbabwe,
• 31:38
  but they were a really lovely middle aged couple. Chef
• 31:41
  like staff, really nice staff on the island. Manager, any
• 31:45
  other guests, Ransom, No, not the first trip. Manager. Did
• 31:49
  you engage in any sexual acts with Jeffrey Epstein on
• 31:52
  your first trip? Ransom? Yes? Manager. What happened? Gurgis objection? Ransom?
• 31:57
  It was I had to give him a massage in
• 32:00
  his bedroom, Menager, And how did that come about? Ransom?
• 32:04
  So the entire basics were explained to me. There's this
• 32:06
  wealthy dude, this philanthropist, loves women, loves getting massages, and
• 32:11
  this was a nice way to make extra cash, which
• 32:14
  is great. I got to the island. Oh, I was
• 32:16
  made to massage Jeffrey on the plane. Sorry, That's where
• 32:19
  I gave my first massage to Jeffrey. So my first
• 32:22
  massage started with him on the plane with his feet
• 32:25
  and his hands. On that trip, I was I had
• 32:28
  to give him other massages like legs, arms, feet, hands, heads, shoulders,
• 32:33
  and it wasn't straight away, but they got more sexual.
• 32:37
  Then I was called to his bedroom. Menager. Okay, I
• 32:40
  just want to make sure we're talking about the same timeframe.
• 32:43
  There was a massage you gave on the plane on
• 32:46
  the way down there, Ransom, Yes, Menager, that was not sexual. Ransom,
• 32:52
  that was not sexual. No, Menager, was that before or
• 32:55
  after he was having sex with redacted in the open
• 32:58
  bed in the plane area? Ransom? It was before. It
• 33:02
  was before they had sex, because we all fell asleep Meninger, Okay.
• 33:06
  And then how did the massage come about? Ransom on
• 33:09
  the island or Menager. No, on the plane, just on
• 33:13
  the plane, Ransom. Jeffrey asked me in a massage, the menager.
• 33:17
  So you were asleep and Jeffrey woke you up. McCauley, objection, Ransom.
• 33:23
  When we first got on the plane, we sat down,
• 33:25
  you know, like when you first get on an airplane,
• 33:27
  you settle in and chat and Chad and Chad and
• 33:30
  I massaged them. And then it was after that we
• 33:33
  kind of all fell asleep. And then I woke up
• 33:35
  and I saw Jeffrey n redacted. Meninger, Okay, Ransom, So
• 33:40
  in that effect, I was probably sitting. I was facing
• 33:42
  the bed, Menager, You were rear facing Ransom. Yeah, Menager,
• 33:47
  can I just hand you back defendants Exhibit one? Is
• 33:50
  it still in your recollection the same place? Ransom? Yeah,
• 33:53
  we switched seats a few times, Menager. So where was
• 33:57
  Jeffrey when you gave him the massage on the airplane? Ransom?
• 34:01
  He was seated at the front manager, in front of
• 34:05
  where you were. Ransom. We weren't really all seated throughout
• 34:08
  the entire duration of the flight, so as soon as
• 34:10
  the flight took up, we took our seat belts off
• 34:13
  and kind of moved around freely. Because it's not a
• 34:16
  commercial flight. You can do that on a private plane,
• 34:18
  So we weren't in our seats the whole entire time.
• 34:21
  There was a lot of moving around. Menager. Okay, can
• 34:24
  you just draw on the defendants Exhibit one where he
• 34:26
  was when you gave him a massage? Ransom. I can't
• 34:30
  remember specifically on the seat or where I was facing
• 34:33
  that I gave Jeffrey as massage, So I'm not comfortable
• 34:36
  putting something because that's speculating. Manager. Do you have a
• 34:40
  general area at all? Was it in the front area, Ransom?
• 34:44
  The general area. The general area here is at the
• 34:46
  front of the plane, and then the bed at the
• 34:48
  back of the plane. Manager. So which of those two
• 34:52
  general areas was the massage? Ransom, So the massage was
• 34:55
  at the front, because I didn't give it to him
• 34:57
  on the bed. It was in the front of the plane.
• 35:00
  I don't remember what specific seat plan I gave him
• 35:03
  a massage, Meninger. Was he wearing clothes Ransom, yes, Menager,
• 35:07
  during the whole massage Ransom, during the whole massage, yes, Menager.
• 35:12
  What was he wearing Ransom, I don't remember, Menager. Did
• 35:15
  he have on shoes? Ransom? Yes, he had on shoes
• 35:18
  when he walked onto the plane, but then he took
• 35:21
  his shoes off to have the massage, Menager. And do
• 35:25
  you recall what he said when he asked you to
• 35:27
  give him a massage? Ransom? Yes, he asked me to
• 35:30
  massage his feet and massage him. Menager. Were you surprised
• 35:34
  by that request? Ransom? No, Menager. Why not ransom because
• 35:39
  Radakta told me that he liked to get massages from
• 35:41
  girls and that he paid them for him. Mener Did
• 35:44
  he pay you for that massage on the plane? Ransom? No, Menager.
• 35:48
  Did you expect him to ransom? Well, it was. It
• 35:52
  was the beginning of the trip, so I'm hardly going
• 35:54
  to I don't really know you. Can you please pay me?
• 35:57
  It's not something you really discuss. I don't think it's
• 36:00
  not really appropriate. It's not very business like. Menager. And
• 36:04
  you were clothed during the massage on the plane Ransom, Yes, Menager.
• 36:09
  Where was the second massage Ransom on his island? Menager?
• 36:13
  Where on the island? Ransom? So the second time I
• 36:16
  massaged them was probably on it was. I was then
• 36:20
  asked to massage them again later that day to massage
• 36:23
  him again in the open plan seating area on the island. Menager.
• 36:28
  Who asked you to do that? Ransom? Redacted? Menager? So
• 36:32
  redacted was on the island? Answer? Yes, Menager. Did she
• 36:35
  travel with you? Ransom? Not all. I can't remember specifically
• 36:39
  who who was traveling with us. I can't say that
• 36:42
  I one hundred percent remember her on that first flight.
• 36:45
  I don't. I can't visually see her there, but I
• 36:48
  know that she traveled with us pretty much every time
• 36:50
  with Jeffrey. She traveled everywhere with Jeffrey Menager. How many
• 36:55
  times did you go to the island ransom several, Menager?
• 36:59
  How many? Ransom? Several? Several times. There were multiple occasions
• 37:03
  that I went to the island, Menager. Three times, ransom several, several.
• 37:08
  I can't remember how many times specifically, Menager. I understand
• 37:13
  you don't have a specific answer. Ransom. Yeah, Menager. Do
• 37:16
  you believe it was more than ten times ransom? I
• 37:19
  don't think it was as much as ten times. No,
• 37:22
  maybe a little bit less, but not that many. Menager.
• 37:25
  Do you know how many times you went on the
• 37:27
  private plane versus a commercial plane? Ransom. I flew both,
• 37:31
  so I can't remember how many times I did commercial,
• 37:34
  how many times I did private? I mean it was
• 37:37
  I know that I did fly commercially at some times
• 37:40
  when the plane wasn't available, Menager. And the total number
• 37:44
  of trips to the island you think was less than
• 37:46
  ten times, mister gergis objection. Ransom. There was several times.
• 37:51
  I'm not sure if it was more than ten. I
• 37:53
  don't know the accurate number. It was several times, Menager.
• 37:57
  Did you go through any type of passport control when
• 37:59
  you I went to the island at all? Ransom? No,
• 38:02
  they didn't check passports oh, I bet you they didn't.
• 38:05
  If you want to have underage girls come in, can't
• 38:07
  be checking passports now, can you? Menager? How did you
• 38:11
  get from where the plane landed to the island ransom?
• 38:14
  Jeffrey speedboat? Menager? Was that the only method? Ransom? Also
• 38:19
  a helicopter? Menager? Who flew the helicopter? Ransom? I don't
• 38:23
  a guy, Menager? Was he cute? Gurgis? Objection? Ransom? I
• 38:28
  don't remember Gurgis objection? And I direct the witness not
• 38:31
  to answer, Menager. I'm learning about super yachting. I thought
• 38:35
  I would find out about the helicopter Gergis. I thought
• 38:38
  you were going to ask if he was taller than
• 38:40
  six feet or less than six feet. I thought that
• 38:42
  was the next series of questions, Menager. So you said
• 38:45
  the second massage you gave Jeffrey was on the island
• 38:48
  the same day you flew down there the first time. Ransom, Yes, Menager.
• 38:53
  And it was in the open plan area ransom, yes, Menager.
• 38:57
  And you recall redacted being the one to ask you
• 39:00
  to give the massage. Ransom. We were all sitting there socially,
• 39:03
  Jeffrey asked me, And that wasn't a sexual massage in
• 39:06
  the seating area on the island. The second massage, he
• 39:09
  was still training me to massage, so my standards weren't
• 39:12
  quite high enough. Meninger. How did he train you to
• 39:16
  massage them? Ransom? He let the girl's massage me in
• 39:19
  front of him. He showed me how to because his
• 39:21
  body's full of nots so and he likes his massage
• 39:24
  really hard, so when you really push on those knots
• 39:27
  that he has, you have to be quite firm with him. Menager.
• 39:31
  So he told you that he liked what he liked Ransom, Yes, yeah,
• 39:35
  and some of the other girls, sorry redacted, showed me
• 39:38
  how he liked his massages. Menager. Was he clothed during
• 39:41
  the second massage? Ransom? Yes? Manager? Were you clothed? Ransom? Yes? Menager.
• 39:47
  Did any sexual contact occur on the second massage? Ransom? No, Menager.
• 39:52
  When do you recall there being a third massage Ransom
• 39:56
  the next day? Menager? And what happened that gave rise
• 39:59
  to the third massage? Ransom? I was called to Jeffrey's
• 40:03
  bedroom to massage, and Menager? Who called you Ransom? I
• 40:07
  don't want to speculate, so I can't remember specifically who
• 40:10
  called me Menager. Okay, so the third person you don't recall, Ransom,
• 40:16
  It was a female. It was either redacted or redacted.
• 40:19
  So I can't remember which of the two that called me,
• 40:22
  because they called me many times during the duration of
• 40:25
  my trip, Menager. So when you say they called me,
• 40:28
  what does that mean? Ransom? They come up to me
• 40:31
  and say, please go to Jeffrey's bedroom and massage Jeffrey.
• 40:34
  He is waiting for you. Manager. What time of day
• 40:37
  was it, Ransom? I think it was. I can't remember
• 40:40
  what specific time of day it was. Manager. Can you
• 40:44
  describe the island for me? Were there more than one
• 40:47
  building on it? Ransom? Yeah, there were multiple buildings. You
• 40:51
  had the main house, you had certain accommodation areas where
• 40:54
  the girls sit. There were a various buildings around the
• 40:57
  island where he used to have all him and his
• 41:01
  other guests, like beds and beds, like little shelter things
• 41:04
  where him and his guests used to have sex with
• 41:07
  the girls, like bed set up for instant sexual entertainment.
• 41:10
  So Menager on a beach area, Ransom all over the island,
• 41:15
  all over the island. So if you go on one
• 41:18
  of his squad bikes, and do a tour of his island,
• 41:20
  which I'm sure you guys have done. You will see
• 41:22
  multiple buildings around the island. Menager. And where were you
• 41:27
  staying during this first trip, Ransom? I was staying in
• 41:30
  one of the guest houses that redacted, the main guest
• 41:33
  house that all the girls shared, Menager. Were you staying
• 41:36
  in your own room? Ransom? No? Menager, who are you
• 41:41
  sharing a room with? Ransom? Redacted? I think redacted slept
• 41:45
  in the bungalow. She didn't stay there per se. She
• 41:48
  was explained to be Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend at the time, Menager.
• 41:52
  When you were asked to give Jeffrey a massage on
• 41:54
  the third occasion by a female, do you recall what
• 41:56
  words were used? Ransom? I can't remember the exact words, No,
• 42:01
  but it was generally it was can you please go
• 42:04
  and give Jeffrey it's kind of like your turn type
• 42:07
  of thing, Menainger. Did you know where his bedroom was? Ransom?
• 42:12
  I was shown to his bedroom, Menager? Who showed you
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  to his bedroom? Ransom? I can't remember who showed me
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  to his bedroom? Menager? All right, tell me what happened
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  during the third massage, Ransom, So I went into Jeffrey
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  Epstein's bedroom. His bedroom is like ice cold. It's always
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  ice cold. He likes his bedroom very well air conditioned.
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  There was a massage table laid out in his bedroom.
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  He asked me to undress and that he wanted to
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  give me a massage, and he asked me to lay
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  down on the table. He then started touching my body.
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  I was, I was. It didn't start off as a
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  sexual massage. It was just, you know, it was just
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  doing a normal massage. And then he started to touch me.
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  He touched my vaginal region, and he touched me all over. Meninger.
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  Were you draped with a towel? Ransom? No, Menainger for
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  no part of the massage. Ransom for the I can't remember. Menager.
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  Was anyone else present in the room? Ransom? No Menager.
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  And after he started touching you while you were on
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  the table, did you give him a massage? Ransom. I
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  can't remember the specific sequence of events, but I remember
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  the third massage. It wasn't for Jeffrey, it was for me.
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  He performed the massage on me. Meninger. Did you tell
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  him to stop? Ransom? No? I did not. Meninger. Did
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  you have any sexual contact with him. Ransom. No, he
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  just touched me and he was touching himself too. So Meninger,
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  did you have an orgasm? Ransom? I did have an orgasm.
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  He used a specific vibrator on me, which it was
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  quite hard not to Menager. Can you describe it, Ransom? Yeah,
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  it's quite big. It's not an actual vibrator. It's really good.
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  You should get one if you don't. The witness sorry,
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  I'm allowed to talk, Okay, sorry, Then Ransom goes on,
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  it's all can I draw it? Can I draw it?
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  I'll tell you the exact I can actually get you.
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  I actually own one, so I can get you a
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  photo of it. You know, it's also in the pictures
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  in the dentist's chair in one of the photos. So
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  it's like this, mister Gergis, you're fine, Miss McCauley, you're fine, Ransom.
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  So it's actually a massager for the shoulders. It's got
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  a long base, it's got quite a it's like a
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  rubber white head. And yeah, it was really it's not
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  used for sexual purposes. Meninger, it's not, Ransom, No, that's
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  what I'm saying. It's not a vibrator. Meninger, Okay, Ransom,
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  it was actually quite painful for me. Menager, Okay, Ransom. Actually, Meninger, okay,
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  did you tell him to stop? Ransom? I told him
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  to stop when he because he pressed the vibrator head
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  on my clitteris and it was incredibly painful. It hurt me.
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  That's a very sensitive area. And the strength of this
• 44:50
  specific device he used is it's not really meant for that. Menager, right,
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  did he stop when you said stop? Ransom? No, Meninger.
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  And how long did this massage? Ransom interrupts her until
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  I orgasmed Menager? And then what happened? Ransom? He just
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  stopped and I got dressed and I left. Manager. Was
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  there any discussion Ransom? No, Menager. Did he give you
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  any money? Ransom? No? Gurgis. Can we stop for a moment?
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  The witness is crying. I think maybe we should take
• 45:22
  a moment, have a moment. Okay, mark that as defendants
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  Exhibit number two, and then we'll take a break for
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  ten minutes. All right, folks, We're going to break right
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  here too, and in the next episode we'll pick up
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  where we left off. All of the information that goes
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