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191: Show Us on the Doll Where the Movie Touched You · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: My name is Dewey Finn, and no, I'm not a
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  Speaker 3: licensed teacher, but I have been touched by your kids,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure I've touched them.
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  Speaker 4: They got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil.
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  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I am Brian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dave.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Ben.
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  Speaker 5: And we are back for another session of the Caffeinated
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  Speaker 5: Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 2: Cappuccino my butt. I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 6: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 7: It's time for the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 5: We are coming to you live from Nancy's Bagel Grounds
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  Speaker 5: where we will get together, drink coffee... And talk about
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  Speaker 5: movies that touched us in a very special way. We'll
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  Speaker 5: get to that later. So... Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh.
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  Speaker 7: What, you didn't... You make it sound scandalous when you
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  Speaker 7: say it that way.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't have that?
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  Speaker 8: Brad, I'd say this was a Divinals episode.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. So, yeah. Yeah, so while we're having
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  Speaker 5: our coffee here, I will throw it out there. Dave,
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  Speaker 5: what blend of coffee are we drinking this week?
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  Speaker 2: This is Fisher's and Fowler's.
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  Speaker 5: We better enjoy it because I think I've rounded this
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  Speaker 5: one out. So this might be the last batch for
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  Speaker 5: quite a while. So enjoy your fishers and followers.
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  Speaker 9: A little bit of hint of chocolate in there.
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  Speaker 5: Sure. Welcome to the coffee review.
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  Speaker 2: The aftertaste.
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  Speaker 5: A little citrus. I get a little citrus.
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  Speaker 3: Smoky.
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  Speaker 5: All right, so this one we're guessing we're going to
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  Speaker 5: ramble on like we do. So we're just going to
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  Speaker 5: get right into it. It is time for The Grind.
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  Speaker 5: Once again, it has been a little while, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: In this segment, we discuss a specific topic or question
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  Speaker 5: related to movies. As often as possible. We'd like them
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  Speaker 5: to come from you, but that rarely happens. If for
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  Speaker 5: and we'll see if we can work them in. Since
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  Speaker 5: you didn't, this week's topic comes from Beau.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: No, no. It's a good one. We just have to
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  Speaker 5: word it right because as we found out earlier, we
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  Speaker 5: all take it a different way or we take it
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  Speaker 5: the way we usually take everything straight into the gutter.
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  Speaker 5: So you originally said we should reminisce on the first
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  Speaker 5: movie that touched us in that special way. So I think,
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  Speaker 5: as I put it earlier, trying to specify, the first
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  Speaker 5: movie that just clicked with you and you saw it
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  Speaker 5: differently than the way you'd seen movies in the past,
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  Speaker 5: you sort of fell in love with the whole idea
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  Speaker 5: of movies, and it inadvertently turned you into a movie geek.
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  Speaker 5: So that's kind of the general.
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  Speaker 3: Area we're headed for.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was shooting for.
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  Speaker 10: So.
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  Speaker 5: With that, I guess we will get it rolling. If
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  Speaker 5: you're ready to.
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  Speaker 2: Go, Dave, you can go. I'm ready to go. It's very,
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  Speaker 2: very early in my life in this case, and that
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  Speaker 2: is King Kong, the original King Kong. Definitely. And it's
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  Speaker 2: all a part of a particular... It's not just that film,
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  Speaker 2: but it's all a part of a particular week in
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  Speaker 2: my life when I was four. Channel 3 movies, local
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  Speaker 2: wave TV, the 4 o'clock movie that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: us grew up with. They had a stop-motion week, or
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  Speaker 2: a stop-motion monster week. And at the age of four,
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  Speaker 2: you're still not able to actually define what's real and
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  Speaker 2: what's not in a movie. And that week, I saw
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  Speaker 2: mostly Harryhausen movies. They came from beneath the sea, and
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  Speaker 2: they showed Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, and I think they
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  Speaker 2: showed 20 Million Miles to Earth, but they capped it
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  Speaker 2: off on Friday with the original King Kong. And since
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  Speaker 2: I was four.
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  Speaker 5: The big finale, as.
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  Speaker 2: It should be. And, you know, it all leads to
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  Speaker 2: that anyway when it comes to Harryhausen. And all week
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty, you know, entranced by what I was seeing.
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  Speaker 2: I knew there weren't dinosaurs, yet I was seeing, you know, dinosaurs.
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  Speaker 2: And really didn't know how it was being done. My
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  Speaker 2: family didn't really know how it was being done. They
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  Speaker 2: were trying to explain to me, well, that's not really real.
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  Speaker 2: Those are camera tricks. How so?
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  Speaker 5: Smoke and mirrors.
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  Speaker 2: Smoke and mirrors, kid. It just pinned me to the
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  Speaker 2: TV that week. And King Kong was the big one
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  Speaker 2: because it had everything that I loved in it. It
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  Speaker 2: had dinosaurs and a giant gorilla and this great adventure movie.
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  Speaker 2: But it fascinated me with the mystery of how it
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  Speaker 2: was being done. And then the climax on the Empire
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  Speaker 2: State Building, I suddenly... cared about you know this creature
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  Speaker 2: this character that wasn't human and was a monster and
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  Speaker 2: i should have been afraid of monsters but at that
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  Speaker 2: final you know moment when it's being you know gunned
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  Speaker 2: down on top of the the building uh there's all
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  Speaker 2: the sympathy and it's you know it's for a puppet
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  Speaker 2: yeah and uh that hit me very early and stuck
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  Speaker 2: with me always It's effective.
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  Speaker 5: That idea, I think, they've latched onto over the years,
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  Speaker 5: and you've seen them tap into that little scenario over.
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  Speaker 6: And over again. Definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, it became kind of a lifetime obsession.
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  Speaker 2: I became a huge stop-motion fan, and working through Wonderfest,
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  Speaker 2: and working on the book and everything, got to know
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  Speaker 2: Ray Harryhausen, and these are all stories that we all
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  Speaker 2: tell each other all the time. Just the grip that
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  Speaker 2: movie has had on our lives. And They did Son
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  Speaker 2: of Kong, I guess, within a year of that coming out,
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  Speaker 2: which is a fun movie, but it's nowhere near that level.
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  Speaker 2: But as I always point out, nobody else made a
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  Speaker 2: movie like that, and Hollywood is based on imitation. Back then,
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  Speaker 2: nobody else could make a movie like that. The only
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  Speaker 2: people who could make it were the people who made
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  Speaker 2: that film. So it really still stands as a very
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  Speaker 2: unique achievement. They tried remaking it, and it never quite works.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to say, as a child, I did
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  Speaker 5: have quite an affection for the De Laurentiis version. I
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  Speaker 5: know I am the scourge of many things everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I saw it when it came out, and I was
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  Speaker 2: young still. I kind of appreciated it, but no, it's
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  Speaker 2: not King Kong.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the same, but again, I think, number one,
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  Speaker 5: it still works that same way. You do still feel
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  Speaker 5: for Kong. Sure, yeah. Again, I think that was at
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  Speaker 5: the point I was sort of working with enjoying the
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  Speaker 5: cheesiness of specific movies, and there's definitely a lot of
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  Speaker 5: cheesy aspects to that one, but I don't know. I
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  Speaker 5: kind of liked what they ended up doing with that one.
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  Speaker 5: It's not the same as the original, but... I think
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  Speaker 5: it still works on a level, not necessarily the same level.
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  Speaker 2: I've softened on that movie a little over the years.
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  Speaker 5: Not King Kong Lives, but.
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  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, King Kong Lives is
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  Speaker 2: interesting on a whole other level.
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  Speaker 5: It's a different type of movie.
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  Speaker 11: That was my introduction to King Kong, actually, when I
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  Speaker 11: was a little kid. I was like, oh gosh, I
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  Speaker 11: was probably two years old and I remember going to
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  Speaker 11: my grandmother's house, it was in Mayfield, to her house,
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  Speaker 11: and it was playing, I think, on TNT in her den.
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  Speaker 11: I just remember, and that was my introduction to like,
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  Speaker 11: you know, The character King Kong or just, you know,
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  Speaker 11: a giant ape in a movie.
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  Speaker 9: And it was amazing to me. Like, I realize now
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  Speaker 9: it's a terrible movie.
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  Speaker 5: It's still amazing.
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  Speaker 11: It doesn't come close to, you know, doing justice to
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  Speaker 11: the original. But in the same way, when you're a kid,
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  Speaker 11: it has that same spirit where you think it's real
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  Speaker 11: and you're seeing a giant ape fight monsters and, you know, swing,
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  Speaker 11: you know, on vines.
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  Speaker 2: In a jungle.
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  Speaker 5: Or have sex.
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  Speaker 3: Does that happen?
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  Speaker 9: I don't even remember.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: There is a mate.
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  Speaker 5: There's a monkey love scene. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 8: Might not have been on the TNT version.
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  Speaker 2: God, that's such a bad movie.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 5: I think they cut away. We get Linda Hamilton instead.
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  Speaker 5: Same difference.
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  Speaker 9: They had an alternate TV version.
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  Speaker 5: We know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Monkey action we know we know that was uh you
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  Speaker 2: know that was gillerman too i mean he the guy
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  Speaker 2: who did the what the 76 kong made that as
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  Speaker 2: well yeah maybe the last thing he ever did but.
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  Speaker 11: I mean yeah i vividly i still vividly remember that
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  Speaker 11: sequence where he those redneck oh yeah hunters are in
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  Speaker 11: the canyon he comes and eats them all and that
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  Speaker 11: just had a huge impact on me like seeing that
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  Speaker 11: as a little kid i was like whoa he just
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  Speaker 11: ate those people that's so real destroying rednecks yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the same with me that week with
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  Speaker 2: Beast from 20,000 Fathoms when the Rattasaurus bends down and
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  Speaker 2: eats the cop.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was a big shake-up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You see a guy actually get eaten by a monster.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they didn't really pull punches back in the day.
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  Speaker 5: They did what they could do.
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  Speaker 2: King Kong was still kind of everywhere. in popular culture
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  Speaker 2: when I was a kid. You know, it's the 60s,
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  Speaker 2: so the cartoon was on, which was kind of a
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  Speaker 2: fun adventure cartoon. And they'd made Godzilla vs. King Kong,
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  Speaker 2: which is a great fun. Terrible. Very, very different style.
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  Speaker 2: We saw that at school. They used to have Friday
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  Speaker 2: night movies at school, and they showed Godzilla vs. King Kong,
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  Speaker 2: a huge hit with us. So it was still kind
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  Speaker 2: of everywhere.
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  Speaker 7: They showed it on 16?
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  Speaker 2: 16, yeah. That was great. That era, from around the
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  Speaker 2: third grade through the sixth grade, out where I went
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  Speaker 2: to school, they had Friday night movies as a fundraiser.
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  Speaker 2: And we know Jerry Siebel. Jerry used to run those...
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  Speaker 2: over in this part of town. And a friend of
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  Speaker 2: his used to run them over in the south end
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  Speaker 2: where I grew up. And they were 16mm. But what
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  Speaker 2: was cool is these guys from an earlier generation tried
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  Speaker 2: to recreate the experience of Saturday matinee for kids on
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  Speaker 2: a Friday night. So we were only paying like a
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  Speaker 2: quarter to get into the movie. That's great. But they
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  Speaker 2: had a huge concession stand set up with all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of candy and popcorn and pickles and everything. And that's
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  Speaker 2: where they made their money. But he would show the
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  Speaker 2: national anthem Filmed in 16mm with the jets flying over.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody would stand up and salute the flag.
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  Speaker 10: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And then he would show a cartoon. He would show
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  Speaker 2: Three Stooges shorts. And he started serializing Flash Gordon. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Which kept kids coming in.
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  Speaker 5: That is so cool.
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  Speaker 2: And it was great. It was something that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it had skipped two or three generations. But we were
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  Speaker 2: lucky enough to have that. And they started out showing
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  Speaker 2: kid movies, you know, Disney-type stuff, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: talking and screaming going on. And usually the projectionist would
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  Speaker 2: have to get on the mic and say, if you
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  Speaker 2: don't shut up, I'm going to stop the movie.
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  Speaker 5: You can settle down over there.
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  Speaker 2: And then they showed, I believe it was, oh, it
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  Speaker 2: was Earth vs. the Flying Saucers.
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  Speaker 3: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't what was scheduled. They couldn't get hold
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  Speaker 2: of whatever that film was. Instead, they showed Earth vs.
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  Speaker 2: the Flying Saucers, and people went wild.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then they realized we should be showing monster movies
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  Speaker 2: and Godzilla movies. So we saw, you know, Destroy All
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  Speaker 2: Monsters and all kinds of stuff like that from that
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  Speaker 2: point on.
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  Speaker 5: That's amazing. And no telling how many kids that affected
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  Speaker 5: that same way. I mean, you don't stop and think
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  Speaker 5: about it, I guess, when you're throwing something like that together.
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  Speaker 5: You just hope it's fun. But, yeah, that seems like
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  Speaker 5: it would have a huge impact on, like, that entire generation,
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  Speaker 5: at least in this area.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it was kind of everywhere. I mean, that,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many schools were actually doing that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing, you know, back in the 70s, but
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  Speaker 2: as far as the television exposure, there was so much
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  Speaker 2: more of it, you know, when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm pushing 50, so it was everywhere, because
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  Speaker 2: it's what was fodder for regular television. I mean, movies
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  Speaker 2: on the afternoons, movies at night, movies on the weekends.
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  Speaker 2: We grew up with that kind of stuff, and Younger
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  Speaker 2: folks have not had as much exposure. It's been through cable,
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  Speaker 2: but then it's been pigeonholed into certain networks, and it's
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  Speaker 2: just not as omnipresent as it was because, frankly, they
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  Speaker 2: want to make money selling it to you on a
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  Speaker 2: DVD or pay-per-view, things like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's totally different.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess.
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  Speaker 5: For a long time there, they just didn't have that
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  Speaker 5: bank of programming that was just sitting around waiting to
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  Speaker 5: show reruns.
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  Speaker 12: All they had were movies for a long time.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the stuff being run in the 70s were
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  Speaker 2: shows from the 60s. Reruns for Andy Griffith and Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hillbillies and stuff like that. You had game shows. I
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  Speaker 2: think in the mid-70s, they started reaching back and showing
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  Speaker 2: stuff like You Bet Your Life, Gotcha Marks, which I
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  Speaker 2: would stay up and watch at night, or Sergeant Bilko.
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  Speaker 2: Really good shows from the 50s, but that was rare.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't until WDRB locally started showing kind of a
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  Speaker 2: unique concept of TV as it used to be in
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  Speaker 2: the early 80s, where they would set aside a weekend
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  Speaker 2: and do nothing but classic television and classic movies.
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  Speaker 5: Was this Ray Fouché?
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  Speaker 2: Ray Fouché.
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  Speaker 5: I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: He would host.
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  Speaker 5: It was a good show.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then I think they even did it for one
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  Speaker 2: whole week one summer. It was like everything. And the
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  Speaker 2: ratings went through the roof.
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  Speaker 6: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: Because people hadn't seen anything like that. There were no
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  Speaker 2: nostalgia channels.
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  Speaker 7: Sort of the predecessor to Nick at Night.
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  Speaker 2: He was. And I talked to the manager, interviewed him
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  Speaker 2: years ago, and he talked about how difficult it was
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  Speaker 2: to talk the distributors into giving him like one copy
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  Speaker 2: of a show. They wanted him to buy the whole
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  Speaker 2: run of whatever he was running, Route 66.
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  Speaker 5: I just need one Lucy. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, The Outer Limits was on and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: It was the first time I'd ever seen any of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. I'd read about it all my life. So
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  Speaker 2: we were lucky in that, you know, that stuff was
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  Speaker 2: sort of commonplace.
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  Speaker 5: But I do remember it being a normal thing that
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  Speaker 5: they would show movies on regular television. Everybody had that
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  Speaker 5: Sunday night movie.
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  Speaker 2: CBS or NBC. I mean, everybody had movies.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they always ran. And it's like, when's the last
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  Speaker 5: time that's happened?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody does it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's rare that you'll see a network.
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  Speaker 2: The CBS Friday night movie was like a religious thing
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  Speaker 2: for me as a kid. I mean, that's Planet of
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  Speaker 2: the Apes. All those films were big premieres. This is
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  Speaker 2: like 1973.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Back when you had to wait usually five years for
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  Speaker 2: a movie to make its way to television. That was
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  Speaker 2: the television premiere of Planet of the Apes.
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  Speaker 7: It's also going to be pre-VHS or anything, so it's
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  Speaker 7: a big deal when it's being shown.
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  Speaker 9: That's the first time people have seen it.
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  Speaker 2: It was made since theater. The television premiere was 73.
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  Speaker 2: That used to be very common. Remember how long it took? Well,
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  Speaker 2: you probably don't.
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  Speaker 5: You weren't born.
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  Speaker 2: How long it took for Star Wars to make it.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say. I remember Star Wars,
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  Speaker 5: the years between that Cable premiere, because Cable was still
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  Speaker 5: kind of getting its feet, and it was a big
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  Speaker 5: deal when it finally made its way to Cable.
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  Speaker 7: Growing up, I remember it was a big event when
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  Speaker 7: they would do The Wizard of Oz once a year.
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  Speaker 7: Or Gone with the Wind, my mother would.
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  Speaker 5: You would plan a whole year around seeing that.
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  Speaker 8: It was even, my grandmother would cook dinner and everyone
• 16:03
  Speaker 8: would come over and we would watch wizard of oz
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: after we had dinner you know it was an event
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: wasn't just yeah you sit down.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah the only one they still do i guess is
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: is ten commandments that stills.
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: They do that at brown easter easter.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I think abc does that still as a yearly event
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: that's used to be you know much more common and
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: you know movies used to play in theaters for over
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a year you know star wars played at showcase for
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: i think 62 weeks.
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: Now it's all about just making money on DVDs. It's
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: almost as if showing it in theaters is like to
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: advertise what.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: You can buy on DVD.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: They might as well just put that promo at the
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: beginning of the movie. Available in two months on DVD.
• 16:43
  Speaker 11: That makes so much sense about The Wizard of Oz,
• 16:46
  Speaker 11: that being a yearly event, because that explains how my parents,
• 16:50
  Speaker 11: when we taped it on VHS, they would, you know...
• 16:54
  Speaker 11: not make me and my sister watch, but we would
• 16:56
  Speaker 11: all have dinner and have an event, and it was
• 16:59
  Speaker 11: a yearly thing of watching Wizard of Oz. I'm like,
• 17:00
  Speaker 11: you all probably did this when it wasn't on VHS,
• 17:03
  Speaker 11: so you're.
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: So stoked that you can watch it now that you
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: passed it on.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: That's what basically gave the movie its reputation, was television.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz was not a hit when it came out.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: It was kind of a flop.
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: Really?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. MGM, it was a freak. It's a very freakish movie.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: It's not particularly musical. and it's a little too scary
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to be a fairy tale for some kids.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And MGM took a big risk, and it really didn't
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: pay off very well. It wasn't until television.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: It was up against Gone with the Wind that year.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything was out in 39.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Annihilating.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: You can't compete with that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: They spent a lot of money on it.
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: Stagecoach wrote a lot of films in 39 that were huge.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: That's true. Gone with the Wind was the big one.
• 17:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Gosh.
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: That's true, that I guess Wizard of Oz is not
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: quite a musical.
• 17:50
  Speaker 11: Like, it starts out as a musical and just kind of,
• 17:52
  Speaker 11: gives up throws it in there towards the end like
• 17:55
  Speaker 11: yeah i never noticed.
• 17:56
  Speaker 12: It though it's an amazing movie but i had that
• 17:59
  Speaker 12: same thing i had the i mean the yearly thing
• 18:01
  Speaker 12: and i think it is i think it's because they
• 18:03
  Speaker 12: made it almost an annual event that that's part.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Of what built up its reputation too is just having
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: it be almost like clockwork the same time every year
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: it would come back around and then it had been
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: a year since you've seen it so all the family
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: would get together so yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: We we try to do with movies that i love
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: or i'm trying to introduce to my kids and you
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: know it's the first time they've seen it um like
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: with et i brought home reese's pieces as well because
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: i want it to be more than just a sit
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: down and watch experience i want it to be something
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: they remember yeah you know i'm planning i still haven't
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: waited for any still waiting for indiana jones and there's
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: a the kids go on a.
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: Feed them insects.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: That's Temple of Doom. First one, you just drag them
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: behind the car.
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: I've considered starting them with Temple of Doom instead of.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: It's more of a kids movie.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: When I was a kid, that was the one I
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: liked the best because it's like, oh, that's the one
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: where they eat the bugs.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: It's probably the most cereal-like.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: But there's a playground that I take the kids to
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: and there's one of those conveyor slides that they hold
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: onto and swing and Um, my son even said he
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: knows the idea and the ideal of Indiana Jones and
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: he was swinging on it and said something about, I'm like,
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: We're going to go there. How am I going to
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: introduce this? Because I want to get it right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Do you already have the music playing in his head?
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Have you introduced him to it and he won't even
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: fully understand why?
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: It's in his subconscious. Now I want to whip.
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: That's where I want to go with that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: I want it to be right when they experience it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: He needs to be terrified of snakes first. He might
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: start by traumatizing the child.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Just throw a snake on him every couple of days.
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: Work your way up.
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: Because I don't want them to just go, oh, yeah, that's...
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: that was a bad movie.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: Find some kid at the playground who's French to start
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: stealing all of his toys from them.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: He has to deliver the line every time.
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: But yeah, making an event, that's what makes you a
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: movie lover.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Like I said, that whole week when I was four
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: and then, you know, There are jumps from that in
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: my life. I go up to Planet of the Apes
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: in 1973. That was huge. And it was another genre thing.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm seeing guys in makeup, and I'm wondering how
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: they did that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: It still looks amazing.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: A couple years later, it's 2001. That got re-released theatrically,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: and I saw that when I was 11. It just
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: blew my mind. But I understood it. That's more than
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: most people. And then Star Wars hit. And that was
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: another just huge step. But it's all events. and and
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: raiders as well yeah which is a movie nobody was
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: expecting to do much from i was a member of
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the star wars fan club and we would get the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the monthly bantha tracks little newsletter you know and they
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: actually that's cool yeah and they actually sent out passes
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: for the sneak and they're basically saying well if you
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: like star wars you might like this they were hesitant
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: about it there's an indiana jones thing in there for
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: for raiders and I saw that, but a sneak at Showcase,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and we were all knocked flat by it, you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: just wow. And those kind of events, to me, haven't
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: happened theatrically in a long time.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Well, I was thinking as you said that, because we
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: were talking about, you know, the event, having it be
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: an event does still sort of make you the geek,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: and I think it's like we're watching it change. So
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: now I think we even brought this up in the
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: video store closing episode that, like, People have just shifted
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: to a different place. It's like now you see people
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: creating that event at a convention and you see them
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: like creating it at, you know, when they have the
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: stuff they do in Austin or when they do the
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: now that they'll kind of MST3K movies. It's like they've
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: turned it into like a different kind of event. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: it's still like it's it's you know, they're still searching
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: for that same thing. thing to be a total geek about.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's the whole thing about just seeing something
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: in a theater in general is it's about the communal
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: aspect of it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: It's a shared event.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Because otherwise there's really no sense to see anything in
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: theaters nowadays because so many home systems now, I mean
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: you can get a decent TV and sound system and
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: that and it's going to show up a lot of
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: local theaters. But it's about seeing it with a crowd
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: of people where it's just that shared experience, especially if
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: it's something to where you're seeing it with couple hundred
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: people that have seen that movie before and you all
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: like it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: I think going off that there is a camaraderie of
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: these are the people that I'm seeing it with and
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: that's why it's with cell phones or showing up late
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: mentioned before that's not it's not the insult of you're
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: disturbing me from watching the movie it's we were supposed
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: to be watching this together.
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, everyone's alienating themselves from each other.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: How dare you pay attention to someone or something else?
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: We're in this together.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It's just wrong.
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: You're on my team.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: You need to be paying attention.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: Well, that and it's, it also kind of, yeah, it
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: interrupts the process too to where, I mean, you've forgotten
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: about the world. If it's a good movie, you forget
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: about the world around you and the world outside and
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: you're suddenly engaged in this and then, Just that little
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: light on the cell phone, suddenly it snaps you back
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: to reality for just a moment. You feel cheated because
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden it's like, I was in the zone.
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's gotten to the point where I'm willing
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: to sit in the front of the theater rather than
• 23:26
  Speaker 11: see that bright cell phone light in the corner of
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: my eye just distract me.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can't stand it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: You could actually put up cell phone blockers. We've looked
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: into it at the theater, but... They're illegal in the U.S.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: Dang patriot act.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Cuts into those profits just a little too much.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: I mean, in Europe, that's actually very common to have
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: cell phone jammers in every single theater.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: That's kind of badass, actually. It's like James Bond gadget.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Slightly more acceptable than the just breaking everyone's hand that
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: pulls out their cell phone that I was just thinking.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: That's a step we need to take.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: That's standard managerial protocol.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: That's how they watch movies in Iran, isn't it? Go ahead,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: answer that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I heard, at least.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, well.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Do we want to move on to Beau?
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: It's actually funny listening to Dave. I realize that mine
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: is very, very similar because my first, I mean, he
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: mentioned Rage of the Lost Ark, and I've got the
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: little fragment of a memory of seeing just at my
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: grandparents' house, and I was probably about three at the time,
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: but it was on my dad's side of the family,
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: so it's a huge, like, you know, he's one of
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: seven and there's tons of cousins, everything. Well, all the
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: adults were like in the living room with the door
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: shut and I go walking in and I realized that
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: sort of setup could make it a really weird story
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: based on what could be on the TV. But I
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: remember just like sneaking in the door and walking around
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: the recliner just at the moment when you're seeing Colonel
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: Dietrich just like melting.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: That's just burned in my memory.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: And my mom looking over and she just like shooed
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: me out.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Of the room really quick.
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: And I was just like, Oh, I didn't see.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: And then later on, I remember it was this thing.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: It's like, Finally, after I'd watched a lot of movies,
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: it was this reward system. We'll let you see this
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: movie because you were curious about that one time. But
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: for me, the most distinctive memory I have for a
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: movie early on was Tarantula. The old one with Leo G.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: Carroll and Joan Agar and that. It's because in the
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: early 80s, when I was growing up, you had... Memories
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: of Monsters on WHAS. So Friday nights, what they would
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: do is they would show just old, like classic universal
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: horror films. And being young, my mom wouldn't let me
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: stay up that late, but she would record them on
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: VHS for me. And so that way, when I woke
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: up on Saturday mornings, I mean, I didn't watch cartoons
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: at all. I would watch what she'd recorded on Memories
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: of Monsters the night prior. And for some reason, the
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: reason that Tarantula sticks out is also what I would
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: watch on Saturday mornings is TBS would do Super Scary Saturday,
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: where Al Lewis and his Grandpa Munster motif... He would
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: also show movies, but usually instead of him going for
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: the classic Universal stuff, it was like whatever cheap sort
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: of shitty knockoff movie he could get.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: What he showed that day was Giant Spider Invasion. So
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: I think because it was two giant spider movies, the
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: two synced up.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And for.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: Almost two decades, I had no idea what the other
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: movie was. And just finally I saw it as an adult.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: I was like, oh, my God, this is the movie,
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: Giant Spider Invasion.
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: That's it.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: But for me, not only would I do that, but
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: there were a couple kids across the street where their
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: parents would do the same thing for them and another
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: kid a couple streets over. And so every single Saturday
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: morning we would watch Memories of Monsters on VHS and
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: then Super Scary Saturday in our own respective homes. And
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: we would get together that afternoon, hang out, play, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: just talk about the movies we watched. And it was
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: just a great thing. So I kind of consider myself
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: lucky that I actually was able to watch movies with
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: the last local horror house.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: That was the last example of that kind of programming
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: in the novel. From, I think, around 83. I think
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: that ran longer than people think. I've had people tell
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: me it ran through like 89 or so.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, I'm pretty sure probably this
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: year I think would be 85 or 86. I want
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: to say it was 85. I remember being in kindergarten
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: when I watched those two. But, you know, for me,
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: it was just an awesome thing just to have my
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: parents actually tape that stuff for me and let me
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: watch that type of stuff rather than just being very
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: paranoid about, you know, me watching horror films. But, yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: that was always the sort of Saturday morning ritual I
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: remember seeing, you know, The Blob, Day of the Animals,
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: you know, just a lot of films where I'm even
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: surprised they let me watch them because they're rated R.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: But I guess it got trimmed down for TV. Yeah,
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: probably so.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: And I think just probably the reason it also sort
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: of was burned in my memory is we actually lived
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: in a house that was infested with brown recluses at
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: the time. So just the problem with spiders was also
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: sort of an issue because I have these very vivid memories,
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: these little things like my mom pulling back the covers
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: to put us to bed and there were like a
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: couple in between sheets. Or my dad putting on the
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: oven mitt in the kitchen and one just climbing up
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: his arm. And it's just a surprise that nobody ever
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: got bit by brown recluses when we were there. We
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: actually just had to essentially abandon the house when we
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: moved because we kept trying to treat them and they
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: would never go away because once you get them in
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: the house, they sort.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Of breed in the walls.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Is this out in Fairdale? Uh-huh, out in Fairdale.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Did you know they had to close the post office
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: out there?
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: Because of brown recluses.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: For months. They just reopened it because of brown recluses.
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's just a major problem because...
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: I thought it was an excuse to save some money.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: They're in the walls. Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: Very much so.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrifying.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: They probably just had to gut the whole thing and.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Then redo it. I was like, wow. I thought it was,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: they just lived in cardboard boxes in the basement. But no,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: they're everywhere.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: So, I mean, that also kind of got the fascination
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: and just, you know, spiders and stuff like that in general.
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: So I think just everything sort of synced at once.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: And as such, I mean, that's why I've been just
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: a fan of horror movies.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: And Tarantula is a very early memory from the Channel
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: 3 movies as well. They ran that and Creature and,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you know, Deadly Mantis and things like that as a
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: kid in the series too.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Tarantula is the one that really stood out. Also because
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of the makeup.
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Leo G. Carroll gets really scary looking by the end
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of the movie.
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: And you mentioned makeup and probably the other one that
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: stood out the most from my childhood as you could
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: probably guess is Dick Tracy. Just because I think that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: the one where I suddenly took more of an interest,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: less than kids' films and more stuff that was aimed at,
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: I guess you could say, older audiences. Because I remember
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: seeing the preview for it, and one of the previews
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: that I saw for it was on the front of Plenty,
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: I Shrunk the Kids. It was a really lousy preview.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: And I remember at the time talking to my brothers,
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: it's like, why don't they just keep making Kids movies,
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: why are they going to make stupid stuff like that?
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Just because it was a bad preview. I remember seeing
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: that at the South Park Drive-In back in the day
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: before that went out. Because that was the usual Friday
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: night rituals. We would go to the South Park Drive-In
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: since we lived right there in Fairdale. But, no, I
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: actually ended up getting a sticker book back when Panini
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: used to do all those little sticker books. You just
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: unfold them and put the stickers in. And just seeing
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: the villains and just staring at them. I remember just
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: staring at these photos and just like, it's amazing. My
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: mind couldn't process it, like how it was done. And then, um,
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: I ended up, my mom bought me the making of book.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: And so I was just reading about all this makeup
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: process that they did. And I was just like, this
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: is awesome. And then she took me to see it
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: on my birthday, which mine is at the end of July.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: And again, it's back in the data where stuff wouldn't
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: just last a couple of weeks. I mean, nowadays it
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: would only be in theaters two, three weeks, but at
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: that point it had been in theaters almost two months.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: It was still at showcase Louisville. So, I just remember
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: seeing it and being completely blown away by all the
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: villains within it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: So was that the first time the fact that makeup
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: effects existed clicked with you?
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I'd seen all these
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: horror films, even like Planet of the Apes. I loved
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: Planet of the Apes growing up, but somehow looking at
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: that to me as a kid, I just saw it
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: and I was like, oh, that's just somebody in an
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: elaborate mask.
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: You know, seeing Dick Tracy and then seeing these people
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: where they look like human beings, but they're just completely
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: twisted and contorted. It's just, that was the first time
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: my mind was like, how does that work? I can
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: understand how they make monsters. It's just somebody in a
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: lot of stuff, but how do they make somebody look
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: like a human, but not a human and all of that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: But then I got into the comic books and just
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: staring at the comics and just realizing they took something
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: that was like two dimensional and then brought it into
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: the real world too. It just, completely astonished me as
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: a kid.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: It's amazing.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Look to it. It was, it, it almost didn't even fit.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: Cause I can remember when it was released and the
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: whole buildup to it, it just didn't fit with anything.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I did not know how to market it.
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: No, it wasn't. And they, I think they hung their
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: hats on the stars, and the people that were going
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: to love it weren't going to care about the stars.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: They wanted it to be the Batman of that summer.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: They really did. They marketed it like it was Batman,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: and it wasn't.
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: And getting Danny Elfman to do a score kind of
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: like it, too.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: And even Dick Tracy fans. If you talk to any
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: Dick Tracy fan that was probably 20, 30, or older
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: when they saw it, they hate the movie. And it's
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: mostly because, to me... I grew up and I love
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: it because it's, I got the nostalgia factor, but you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: they put characters like flat top and itchy and that
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: and there, and it's just, it'd be like, what if
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: you made a Batman movie to where the Joker was
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: the main villain and like the penguin and the Riddler
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: and all them were just his henchmen that were in
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: there for about 10, 15 minutes where they got killed off.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: People would just complain about it being bastardized. And it's
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: the same thing there. Cause you know, you have like,
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: you know, the brow who's in the movie for like
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: a minute at the beginning, but in the, um, comic strip,
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, he was, the major villain that lasted that year,
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: and he was a Nazi spy.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: So they just.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: Changed all of the backgrounds of these characters basically to suit,
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: putting as many of them in there as possible. But
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: even so, I still love it for the fact that
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: rather than just having one in there and wondering how
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: they have done that with everybody else, you get to
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: see a good two dozen of these prominent villains done
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: in makeup form.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: We've got it on the list, so at some point
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: we can return to it in its full form. Full
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: episode glory.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, Dick Tracy?
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: I'd love to watch it again. I specifically threw it
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: out there.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: It's like going to be pouring kerosene on.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: A flame for me, man. Okay, we'll hold off and
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: come back then because I've had that on the list
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: for like a couple of years.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I'll have you over to my house.
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: Once you see my house, then you'll realize how bad
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: it is.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: There's a shrine there.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Well, it's an entire room.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Greg's. Then I guess.
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: Are we going to break it up?
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess we can take a break here and
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: then come back with the rest of the story here.
• 34:18
  Speaker 13: Come on, come on, come on.
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: Come on, now touch me, babe Can't you see that I.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Am not afraid?
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: What was that promise that you made?
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: Why won't you tell me.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: What she said? What was that promise that you made?
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna love you Till the heavens stop the rain.
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna love you Till.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: The stars fall from the sky For you.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 35:14
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• 35:24
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• 35:32
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• 35:36
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• 35:45
  Speaker 4: But what if circumstances were to magnify one of them
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: in size and strength, took it out of its primitive
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: world and turned it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Loose in ours?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Then expect something that's fiercer, more cruel and deadly than
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: anything that ever walked the Earth.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Even science was stunned.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: The new atomic miracle should have been mankind's greatest boon. Instead,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: when such power to cause phenomenal growth proved dangerously unstable.
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: Man was confronted with this most shocking blunder.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: The isotope triggered our nutrients into a nightmare.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: A blunder that transformed a tiny insect into the 100-foot
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: spider that was now ravaging the panic-stricken countryside.
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  Speaker 3: Dave, I do not get superheroes.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, I don't get you.
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: What don't you?
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: Towerbot here. Well, the meatbags were going to say that
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: if you're a geek and like podcasts, then you could
• 37:21
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• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's up to you.
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna get my taser and put a stop to this.
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: Towerbot out.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, monkeys.
• 37:38
  Speaker 13: It's nap time.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Hi, this is Dick Miller, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown. Hi,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: this is Grandpa, and I will be your host for
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Super Scary Saturday on the Super Station. Doug McClure braves firestorms,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: scary monsters, and other ugly creatures.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: It's a fantastic journey.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: Where on Earth can we be?
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: At the Earth's core.
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: So join me, Grandpa, for Super Scary Saturday.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: 10.05 Eastern on the Superstation Saturday morning.
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: This is.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Part of your problem, you know.
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And now, on with the show.
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: This is the night, yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: This is the night.
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: This is the time, we've got to get it right.
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: Touch me, touch me. I want to feel your body,
• 38:55
  Speaker 10: your heartbeat next to mine. Touch me, touch me now.
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: Touch me, touch me now. All right.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: So we are back and we're moving on to Gray.
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: My movie isn't as early on in my life as
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: the two of you, and I'm guessing probably Brian's as well.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Definitely mine.
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: I had wonderful images. I was a movie fan as
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: a youth kid, You're right.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: I collected.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: The moment we got a... I was in second grade
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: and we got a VCR was like my first movie epiphany.
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: I was recording anything and everything I could. I couldn't
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: believe it. I begged my parents to go to the
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: video store. I watched the Muppet movie. At least 100 times.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: It's no joke. I've seen that movie.
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: And I had a copy of Crawl, and I watched
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: it every week.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Every week. They previously mentioned Crawl. Right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: Also got around to renting that on VHS when I
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: was like five or six.
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: That was an experience. I think everyone here at the
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: table loves Crawl, save.
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: I didn't say I love it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: It was an experience. I just think it's funny because
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: it keeps bringing it up on my Netflix now because
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: I watch Starcraft.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: I can see why the two, yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: And I love the kids in the neighborhood. We all
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: watched Red Dawn when it came out on Showtime and
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: we reenacted the movie every day. Those were movie lover moments.
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: But when I think I took the task of when
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: was I, I think, cross over into movie geek. I'll
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: jump forward to high school and a buddy of mine
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: from high school, we didn't go to, you know, football
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: games and basketball games or the mall or any of
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: that kind of stuff. Friday and Saturday, we would go
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: to the movies. Sometimes we would go to see two movies.
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: And I think Back then I saw every movie that
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: was released. It was that this is what I'm doing.
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: And I think my parents thought I was just wasting time,
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: but no, I wanted to see everything I could. And well,
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: that was allowed in to see. And, um, I had
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: seen Batman and I had seen Beetlejuice and I loved
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: both of them. Um, but the moment I think I
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: became the, I guess, geek is I saw, uh, Edward
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: Scissorhands with a friend of mine. And I think I
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: finally kind of opened up to the, that there's a
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: visual style and it's connected to a director. And I
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: could see that. I mean, it was clearly, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: I knew what I was seeing. I knew, and I was,
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: it was sitting in the theater.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: And I was wowed by the story. I was wowed
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: by the visuals. The music especially was a huge part
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: of that film as well. Not a perfect film. It's
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: not even one of my favorite films. But it's the moment.
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: And I remember every Sunday night, we have a lot
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: of cousins. And we'd all go over to my grandmother's house.
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: And all the kids would hang out in the kitchen
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: and eat snacks and watch whatever show. you know, raunchy
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: Fox show was on like in living color or whatever.
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: And we'd kind of talk about what we did, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: Friday and Saturday night. And I was the youngest of
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: the group. And I'd mentioned that I'd gone and seen
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: Edward Scissorhands and the, um, just made fun of me.
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: Like I was the biggest geek in the world for
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: not only going to it, but liking it because the,
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: just from the sound of it, it sounds like.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: A chick flick or something.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: It's about a hairstyle.
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: It was just released that weekend and nobody really knew
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: what it was or where it was coming from. And, um,
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, and it went on for like weeks that, Oh,
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: here comes Edward scissorhands kind of thing. And I went
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: back and saw the movie and that was the, you know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: that was the movie that I finally sought out directors.
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: And then I, and, because I remembered several films as
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: a kid, seeing them on Showtime and tapes and stuff
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: like that. All of a sudden, I was like, oh,
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: I do like Joe Dante movies. I was like, he's
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: made that and that and that. And so it just
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: starts making that list. I didn't have the internet or
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: anything like that, but I would go even to the
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: video store. It was called Movies at Home in New Albany,
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: where I grew up. It was a horrible movie store.
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: But.
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: I would go in and the clerk was a movie geek.
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: And I would say, I like Joe Dante movies. And
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: he'd go, here you go. And he would show me
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: all of them that I hadn't seen. And then I would,
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: he'd say, have you ever seen and just the next director.
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: But it was because of that movie and because of
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: that moment of his style is so unique and so accessible,
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: I guess, for the, you know, almost like a freshman
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: grad you know, lit class of we're going to, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: you're going to read John Steinbeck or something like that.
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: And once you've read a John Steinbeck book, you know
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: what John Steinbeck is going to even say in the
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: next paragraph. And so that, and, and honestly, that's why
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: I even studied. I got a literature degree in college.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: We didn't have a film at the school that I
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: went to. I don't even think I would have thought
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: of that at that point, but it was that same
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: sort of thing as when you, latch on to story
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: and author or director, and you love one and can
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: seek them out, it's just the greatest thing you can do.
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: And I think that's, to me, that's what makes that
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: movie geek is once you found that moment and that
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: thing that can, that epiphany, that one thing, that to
• 45:23
  Speaker 8: me was my moment.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's actually, you mentioned that and I realized I
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: had something similar. And also when I was in high
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: school and it was my art teacher, Basically, I would
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: just go in and shoot the shit about movies and
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: that while we were just in art class because it
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: was pretty open. And he'd mention, just because he was like,
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: you're really big into movies.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: I was like, yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: And he said, you ever seen Dr.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Strangelove?
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: I was like, no. And he goes, not everyone finds
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: it funny. He said, again, most people in here wouldn't
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: find it funny at all. But he's like, you should
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: check it out. And I remember just having my mom
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: rent it. And of course, you know, when I said,
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: I want to, can you rent Dr. Strangelove for me?
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, it sounds like it's something dirty, but you know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: kids in high school too. It's like, my teacher told
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: me to rent this. It's for school.
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: Oh, your art teacher.
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. But I remember that being the first time
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: to where, you know, I was like just impressed by
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: the directorial style and wanted to find more films like that.
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: I've even got like this I've still got it at
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: home because I just found it the other day sorting
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: through stuff. This painting that I did, it was like
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: a blacklight painting because most of it's black, save everything
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: else is in neon colors. And it's a big multicolored
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: atom bomb going off. And you've got Peter Sellers as Mandrake,
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: as the president, and then as Strangelove himself, just like
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: the three in the foreground and all that. And I
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: was like, man, how many kids probably even just painted
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: stuff like that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: In high school? That's funny. My art teacher in the
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: sixth grade, she heard I saw 2001 and actually loaned
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: me the soundtrack. So yeah, there's a connection with that.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: She was just... happy that anybody going to Fairdale Elementary
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: was into something like 2001. Just to kind of encourage that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: Strangelove was the very first VHS I bought, and more
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: than likely, as far as I can recall, I probably bought.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: It from you. Yeah, over at Suncoast.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you going in and talking to the movie clerk,
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: that's actually how I got to know Dave.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: He was that weird kid who came in and was
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: buying Outer Limits episodes, which really predated your existence by
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: 30 years or so. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: I was probably stocking something on the other side of
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: the ship.
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: While you're talking about that, how much did I learn
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: as well from customers?
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: That's true. It's the reverse.
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: They come in and say, you may have even suggested
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: something to them, and then they come in and tell
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: you eight different things that you haven't seen. And you
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: first of all feel like an idiot for not knowing
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: what they are. But second, you're like, oh, I've got
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: to see all of them tomorrow.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: But you know 99% of the time the people coming
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: in are idiots and they have no clue about anything.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: So you get that one that's just like, oh, but
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: you need to see this. And they'll kind of one-up you,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: but it's not even like a geeky, I know more
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: than you, it's just that sharing your movie you love
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: kind of thing.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: I've actually got that with customers at the theater to
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: where we even, like, I'll see them maybe once every
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks and we'll exchange DVDs just because we
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: trust each other enough to loan them out to one another.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: Well, if we're doing the school thing, I mean, that did, I,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: it won't mess with my other one that I'm going to,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: but yeah, mine was still later. It was, it was
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: not as early as grade school. It was high school
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: and I, there was a film study class and we did,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: I think there was one teacher there that, was really
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: into film and he created that whole class and did
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: a production class later. And I think that was the
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: first time I kind of saw that, kind of what
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: you were talking about, Greg, that saw the art involved
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: in it. You know, it's like I loved sci-fi and
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: I loved, you know, action and big dumb stuff that
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: you like when you're kids, monster movies and, you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: drive-in kind of stuff. But I think it's when I
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: got there and he started pretty early on, you know, with,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: you know, early history of film and moving his way
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: in and we hit, And again, cliche, but we hit
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Citizen Kane. And I sat there as a high school
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: kid going, holy shit. It was just like the amount
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: of planning and work that went into just making one shot.
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: Or I want this to look like this in this frame,
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: and that technology doesn't exist, so I'm going to create it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: The stuff that he did, it did kind of change that,
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: and I think from that point on, I really did
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: start looking, and again, I guess I'd watched all the
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: older stuff in the genre sections, but it did make
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: me want to go back and watch what I guess
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: would be more classic. Most high school kids don't want
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: to go watch movies from the 30s that are just
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: cheesy classics, but suddenly I did. And I was like, this,
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: that part kind of opened up. And I don't think
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: I'd ever even thought about that kind of stuff from
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: that artistic angle until, until he, he started that class.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: And I sat there and was just like, wow. And
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: we went through a lot of stuff and it covered
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: the early stuff and then even got into early Coen
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: brothers at that point. So it was, it covered a
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: pretty big spectrum there. And I think it's what made
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: me sort of the you know, the more artistic end
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: and the technical end and that kind of stuff all
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: kind of came into play at that point.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: And you just mentioned just picking stuff up at video stores.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think anybody who had formative years in
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: the 80s or just went to video rental stores a
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: lot during the 80s, I mean, it was just such
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: a memorable time because they're That was the first time
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: you could actually walk in and just pick almost whatever
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: movie you wanted.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: 90s, too, actually.
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: I mean, it dragged in. I mean, I was kind
• 50:56
  Speaker 11: of old school. I mean, a lot of my friends...
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: I was still watching, like, renting VHS. I think when
• 51:00
  Speaker 11: DVD players came out, it wasn't... Our family didn't get
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: one until, like, over 10 years later. I mean, we
• 51:05
  Speaker 11: were really behind, but I was.
• 51:07
  Speaker 9: Doing that for a while, and it was.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: It was great.
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just have so many very memorable moments of
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: just looking at VHS covers, especially the Roadrunner video over
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: there on Southside Drive because they had probably the largest
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: horror collection.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a lot of exploitation.
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and of any rental store in this area. And
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: I remember actually just methodically going through trying to find
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: Giant Spider Invasion because I remember seeing it when I
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: was younger. And just not knowing what it was, just
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: anything that had the giant spider on the cover.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I'd rent it.
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: So that's how I ended up seeing Kingdom of the
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: Spiders and all this other stuff, and still in vain,
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: never finding that one.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Spider Invasion is the one with the Volkswagen, right?
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the Volkswagen covered with fur, and there are
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: people inside, and so they're moving the giant.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: It's got Alan Hale, the skipper, the main hero of it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: Think i've seen this on mystery science theater yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: Well that's the thing i'd actually it wasn't until mystery
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: science theater in like my 20s i just all of
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: a sudden was watching that episode i was like oh
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: my god that's it this movie that i've been looking
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: for forever that's it that's totally it and i still
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: have a couple fragments of other stuff to where i
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: still have yet to figure them out i remember seeing
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: from back in that era most recently i was just
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: um downloaded i just like to make a big like
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: five to six hour trailer disc of horror trailers just
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: every now and just throw it on the background that
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: way you're cleaning around the house just something to kind
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: of keep you entertained and i threw on one of
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: um the um insta area was the loch ness monster
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: i can't even think of the name of it i've
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: bought a bootleg now but i just saw the trailer
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: i was like oh my god i've found like all
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: sorts of people who research them like mark barry and
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: I told him, I remember this dinosaur movie in particular
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: had this scene and this scene.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: He's like, is that it?
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I saw it when I was like six.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: That's all I can remember.
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: It's just that moment where you see the clip and
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: you're like, oh my God. It wasn't a dream.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: It was real. That's it.
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: Because you remember all the way back to then, it's
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: like it could be a dream. It could have been
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: some weird dream you've just associated with being an actual film.
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: But the only one I think yet I have to
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: find a copy of that I remember the name of
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: is The Boy Who Cried Werewolf.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They just ran that movie. a few weeks
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: back on Sven Gulli.
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was stunned. I turned it on. They were
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: actually showing that. Weird. But you're talking about VHS, and
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, there's, it's almost like, you know,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: the whole thing with vinyl now.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: There's a certain romance to putting on an album. There's
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the physical interaction with the medium that you kind of
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: had with VHS as well. You had to get the
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: cassette out, you had to rewind, you had to put
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: it in the player, and the motors had to start turning.
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: You had to wait for it to roll.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just sort of a more real, visceral
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: experience than the digital experience.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: And both have their covers to where a lot of
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: the time it was the artwork that sold you on it,
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: even though you didn't know what it was.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 53:56
  Speaker 11: Going back, it's part of making the movie an event.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's what it's doing.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we would get together and just, you know, throw
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: in money and rent a couple of horror films. And
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it would be stuff that you hadn't ever seen or
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: hadn't seen since you were a child. Like you said,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the cover art. The 80s was like the era of
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the airbrush. They had all these obscure, awful horror films
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: that suddenly had to market again. They hadn't been marketed
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: since the drive-in days. But, you know, I could go
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: out and find three on a meat hook on VHS.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I've been looking for this one. It was cool.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: Do you want to move on to yours?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess since....
• 54:40
  Speaker 11: When I was little, it was most like 90% of
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: the movies I watched were not even movies. They were
• 54:46
  Speaker 11: just cartoons, VHSs of cartoons. Some of them might have
• 54:50
  Speaker 11: been educational or just shorts or something like that. But
• 54:55
  Speaker 11: 90% of the stuff I watched was animation when I
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: was little. But that played a big part in getting
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: me into actual movies because that made me realize that, wow,
• 55:04
  Speaker 11: you know, you get that dream feeling. You feel like
• 55:08
  Speaker 11: I'm experiencing someone else's imagination on a screen. The first,
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: probably the most, the earliest example, I guess, would be,
• 55:17
  Speaker 11: I can't remember the title. It was this six-hour-long VHS
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: of cartoons that my mom bought me. But there were
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: a lot of specific cartoons on there. It was ranging
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: from Bugs Bunny to old 1930s cartoons like Small Fry
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: and There's this famous one about the two crows who
• 55:38
  Speaker 11: get in the radio. I think you actually see a
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: segment of it in Kill Bill 2.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: It's a Fleischer cartoon, I know.
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: Exactly what you're talking about.
• 55:49
  Speaker 11: It had the one where the poor couple during the
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: Depression go out a night on the town. I don't
• 55:57
  Speaker 11: remember what it was called. They capped it off. The
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: very end of the six hours was this creepy, weird
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: I remember the name of it. It was called Have
• 56:05
  Speaker 11: You Got Any Castles? And the concept was just all
• 56:09
  Speaker 11: these libraries. It shows this library on a winter's night,
• 56:13
  Speaker 11: and all of a sudden all the books, all the
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: works of literature come to life. Like Old King Cole
• 56:18
  Speaker 11: came out and started singing, and Fu Manchu, and what else? Dracula,
• 56:25
  Speaker 11: and all these scary villains came out and started dancing,
• 56:28
  Speaker 11: and it creeped me out.
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: But at the same time, it left this impression that.
• 56:32
  Speaker 11: that kind of got me addicted to watching just, I mean,
• 56:36
  Speaker 11: I guess, you know, movies definitely, but just, you know,
• 56:38
  Speaker 11: anything cartoon or anything, you.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Know, I.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Guess like that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 11: I don't know, but just that VHS is the one
• 56:45
  Speaker 11: that comes to mind. Also, Pinocchio. That was different because
• 56:50
  Speaker 11: it was a step up. It was the first cartoon
• 56:52
  Speaker 11: I watched that wasn't just, you know, Bugs Bunny doing gags.
• 56:57
  Speaker 11: It was actually telling a story, and because of that,
• 56:59
  Speaker 11: it kind of stayed in my mind.
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: Like, I remember.
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: moments from that where Jiminy Cricket at the opening, he's
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: going through all the clocks, the sounds and the intricacy
• 57:10
  Speaker 11: of the animation. There's actual camera movements that were telling
• 57:14
  Speaker 11: a story. You don't even think about the camera when
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: you're watching Saturday morning cartoons. So that was a big
• 57:22
  Speaker 11: deal for me in terms of immersing me into a
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: story that was over 15 minutes long.
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: So, and then as far as, you know, getting into
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: live action movies with actors and directors and everything, there
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: was kind of this hodgepodge, I guess, trio of movies.
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: And two of them were actually, because McDonald's had this
• 57:45
  Speaker 11: thing in the 90s where they would give you a free.
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: VHS with a meal.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: Well, I remember that.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: I remember that.
• 57:51
  Speaker 11: And this wasn't like, it's not that old. It was
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: like 93 maybe. But one of them, like they had
• 57:56
  Speaker 11: Wayne's World, Back to the Future. And those two movies,
• 58:00
  Speaker 11: Back to the Future and Wayne's World, I would watch
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: them over and over and over until I could just
• 58:03
  Speaker 11: quote them, and they became one of my two favorite movies.
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: And of course, E.T., that was a big one. But
• 58:11
  Speaker 11: I guess probably what got me into movies was just
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: kind of probably being afraid for a big part, because
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: I remember E.T., there were scary parts in there that
• 58:22
  Speaker 11: like I hated watching them. I wanted someone else to
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: watch them with me, but it was kind of, it
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: was exciting. And I had never experienced anything like that before.
• 58:29
  Speaker 11: So something about being afraid of something on a TV
• 58:33
  Speaker 11: screen that, that, that stayed with me. I think that
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: was a big part of it too. And that goes
• 58:38
  Speaker 11: back to like the, the villains coming out of the
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: book spines and that cartoon that, that creeped me out.
• 58:43
  Speaker 9: And, left a big impression on.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: Me as well.
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: I remember that cartoon.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: It's reminiscent.
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: There's another one that's kind of similar. It's a Silly
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: Symphonies one. It's called The China Shop, where you have
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: almost like this weird sort of China demon that the
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: other China characters have to stop and it starts breaking them.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: There's a whole kind of subgenre in the 30s where
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: books or inanimate objects or things would come to life
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: after hours.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I was always fascinated with that stuff, too. And it's
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: that attraction-repulsion thing where you're like, this is scary, but
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: it's cool.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: And it sort of receded.
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: And then when it came back, now you've got, like,
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: Toy Story, but it's all for the sake of cute.
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: Whereas there, it's... I mean.
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: those old Silly Symphonies cartoons, I mean, they're entertaining, but
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: at the same time, you can look at it and
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: be like, this is sort of nightmarish.
• 59:26
  Speaker 11: There's a gothic quality to those, and this was an
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: old cartoon, too, and it was just such a dark,
• 59:31
  Speaker 11: weird way to end this six-hour.
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: Run of life.
• 59:35
  Speaker 11: It made the whole thing, the package just stay with me.
• 59:38
  Speaker 11: I was like, man, that was, that one cartoon, I
• 59:41
  Speaker 11: would literally fast-forward through six hours, which takes forever on
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: a VHS, just to get to that, but it was
• 59:47
  Speaker 11: so exciting.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: It's sad that I used to try to push people
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: away from those because they were usually recorded... Well, they
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: were obviously already recorded in EP, and they would always
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: be bringing them back because they had terrible picture quality.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Tracking would be rolling everywhere, but still, a lot of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: cool stuff in those.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: Luckily, I didn't take it away from your mom and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: totally ruin your life.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: You know, that was a common... Well, you probably did.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: You know this is an EP, right?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: Sometimes you would tell people, you'd be like this.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: That's why it's four bucks.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Well, and like feel it.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: No, feel this one.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: There's no weight to it because it's no tape. So yeah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: it's sad that, I mean, we think about stuff like
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: that where EP is not going to make any, it's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: going to be about as useful as LP to kids now.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: It's like they're all just outdated technology.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: But there was a lot of cool stuff to be
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: found there. One of those cheap public domain EP tapes.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Good Times Video had a lot of weird stuff out
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: that you weren't going to find anywhere else because it
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: was public domain.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: So if it was the only way you could get it,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I would buy it.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: So a lot of good stuff like Curse of the Demon. Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: For some reason, Columbia had that on a cheap EP
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: for the longest time. And then finally they put out
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: a nice, you know, slow speed one.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: Which.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah, as a kid, you think everything's real, so you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 11: don't recognize things like bad quality or rip-offs. I'm sure
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 11: if I were to go back and dust off VHS
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 11: and play it, I'd be like, oh my God, I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 11: could never sit through.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: Of course, one of my favorite EP tapes, I've still
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: got it, even though I own it on DVD, just
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: I have a nostalgia attached to the tape, is The
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: Abominable Dr. Fives, which is actually, I've got it because
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: you recommended it. And that's probably the first time to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: where I saw a movie And I ended up seeking
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: out all the other movies that had Vincent Price in it.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: It's like I'd seen him.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: Before, but it's like that was the movie to where
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: I was just like, this dude is fucking amazing.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I remember that run of tapes.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: We were all looking forward.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: And what they did was they were promising them out.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: at sp and then they ended up dumping them all
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: out on ep.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: That was masquerade death was in that we.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Grabbed a bunch of the sps as soon as we
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: could and held on to those and uh you know
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: the great unwashed got the ep tapes but but yeah
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: that was i remember that stuff you know suddenly hit
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: it had been you know.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: 20 years since anybody's and just the style of the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: movie too is just so characteristic that's why you know
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: now that tim burton's announced he's remaking the bubble doctor
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: fives it's like.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: Oh, no.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: If you like the movie so much, because it's obvious.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: I mean, you can tell you grew up loving Vincent Price.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: Your first little shorts you did with Frank and Winnie,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: that had, I'm sorry, not Frank and Winnie, but Vincent
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: had Price narrating it. Now that he's remaking Frank and Winnie,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: there's a character that's basically designed to look like Price.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: He was in Edward Scissorhands.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: It's like you've seen enough of Price films to where
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: you could make something that is a price film without
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: remaking it. You can make one that's an homage. It's like,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: there's no need to just make something brand new. And
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: of course it's going to have Johnny Depp and Helena
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: Bonham Carter. That's already been announced. It's like, if you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: love the movies that much, why bastardize?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: See, that's the thing. I think a young Tim Burton
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: would have done that. Cause you look, I mean, he's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: got a specific style, but he does his own thing
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: with Beetlejuice. You know, I think he would have done
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: something like that when he started. And now he's just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: gotten lazy.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 10: Well, yeah.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: We do throw a lot of blame at the director's feet,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: but part of this is studios. It's studios. They will
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: not let you make an original picture. That's true.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: But at this juncture, I mean.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, people with power can't make original pictures. I mean,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, he can remake his own movie. Yeah. They'll
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: let you do that.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: As long as it's, you know, 15 years or older,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: they'll let you remake.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, I think he has a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: decent enough track record, though, to where if he said,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: I have an original story, but it's going to have
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: Johnny Depp in it, it's like, look at the formula.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: He's made money off of all those other ones like that.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: The need to necessarily.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: But the corporation's always going to remember stuff like Ed Wood.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Once again, best film.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Probably his best movie ever.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Didn't make the money Disney wanted it to make.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: And I don't know exactly how big of a selling
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: point it is to have, you know, a Bottle of Dr.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Fives remade.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, how many people just know that title offhand?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Plus, it's one of those.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: Movies, too, to where it's... I've always, when I've described
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: the Bottle of Dr. Fives to people, I'm like, this
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: is the movie to where you can tell Burton watched
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: it as a kid.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: And he's been trying to remake it ever since because
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: it has that weird sort of surreal gothic nature to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: it that is very characteristic of Burton films, but predates
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: him by a good 15 years.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: His name gets attached to so many things. For years
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: it was Old Dark House he was going to do,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: and I dread it. He's attached to something else now,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: and it keeps going through the cycle. I don't know.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: I think that's part of it, though. I think he just...
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: I think he had more promise when he was younger,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: and he just gave up on it. And I guess
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: money will make you do that.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you stay employed.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: He's tired, and it's easy to do this.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Your lifestyle requires you to keep making money, so they're
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: going to let me make this, I'll do it.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: He's got to support that not-a-wife.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: I would still see Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian, though. They've been
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: talking about that forever.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: They're still talking about it. Well, now I think he
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: wants to produce it and hand it off to somebody,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: and I'm kind of better with that idea. I was like,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: if it's somebody who loves Beetlejuice as a property, it's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: like I'd rather see him do that than have him
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: do a half-assed job of his own property. It's almost like.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: Fred was talking about a few weeks ago when someone
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: does an impression of someone that it's never even close
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: to what the impression is, but everybody gets it. assumes
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: that that's what that impression is.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: Like the Richard Nixon impersonation. Nixon doesn't sound like that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: at all, but everybody has the same Richard Nixon.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: That's almost what Tim Burton movies have become now. It's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 8: what people expect a Tim Burton movie should look like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 8: and he's just like, okay, I'll give you what you expect.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's rubber-stamped, yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: It's almost like a parody of himself.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Well, you saw that, was it College Humor? A little short,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: it's very funny. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: Burton pitching the film idea.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: All of his creative team are like, Is it something original?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: We're going to take something that's already scary and make
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: it scarier. And it's like, do we have any of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: that cloud white left? The guy holds up like the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: five-gallon bucket of makeup right here. Danny Elfman, what you got?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: He's like... It's so close to reality that, you know.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: It's really how it happens. It's the sad part. Well,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: if we're ready to move into mine, I specifically left
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: it towards the end We've had someone join us here,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: so I'm going to bring you in right now, Ben.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: This is a different Ben, not the one who was
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: previously here.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: He doesn't know what podcasts are.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: I really don't.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: He doesn't have one of those mics at home.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: I'm what you call the weak link in my little show.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: This is Ben, who we're going to bring back in
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: in a couple weeks here. We're going to have a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: whole Bigfoot episode that we're bringing him on board for, but...
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: For the moment, you're here, and I knew we're going
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: to have crossover anyway, so we're all telling our movies
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: that touched us as a child and changed our lives
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: kind of stories.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, what?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 11: Was it a good touch or a bad touch?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: Show us on the doll where the movie touched you.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: Where the movie touched you, yeah. So I figured I'd
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: go ahead and save it until you got here because
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure, especially since I just heard you talk
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: about it on your show, His show is Tower of Technobabble,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: by the way, so we'll start playing ads for them now, too.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: We're working on a whole plan. We'll get to that later.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Love me. Love me.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: No, not a chance. But I know something you do love,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: and it's probably the same as mine. I know it's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: even more cliche than the last movie I mentioned, but
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: among geeks, this is the holy grail. This is what
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: did it for most of them.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: You should just keep building it up for the next
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: five minutes.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: Star Wars.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: Well, it's because we're of a certain age.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah. But, I mean, everybody that hit at that right time, it, like,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: flung open those doors. And you were like, whoa. It's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: like you just were not prepared for that. So, I
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: don't know. We're reminiscing on Star Wars.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: It's sort of like, I don't know who exactly decides
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: where the BC stops and AD starts. But that's just
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: sort of how I always saw the whole geek thing
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: in regards to, you know, Star Wars.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: It's like that, uh, happened and everyone was like, Oh,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: you can do it like that. And you don't have
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: to have a synth. You can have an orchestra. I just,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: but I was just a little kid. I don't know.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: I was what? Five, six.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: I'm, I'm asking you as if you were there.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: I was also there. Yeah. Possibly in the same theater.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: We don't know. Actually, I do know what theater I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: was at, but I remember.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: What theater I saw in par, uh, But one of
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: my earliest memories is being in the theater watching Star
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Wars and turning around and hiding in the seat whenever
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: the Tusken Raider popped up. I distinctly remember the fabric
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: of the seat and just grabbing my hands and you know,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: putting my little fingers into it. Because that was horrifying.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: It was great. But, yeah, I think you're right. But
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: it is such a cliche. It's almost like you want
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: to take the whole hipster geek thing. Oh, Star Wars. Well, actually,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I was more, you know.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Star Crash.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: What was that movie you guys talked about?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: The classic that is Star Crash.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: That'll be on the stars.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: When I see space, I see it in color.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, that's the thing. I almost feel like,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: because when we first suggested that, that's what I thought.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: But it was like, hey, let's do that. And I'm like, shit,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: aren't we all going to have the same movie? But
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: then I was like, wait, Greg, what's yours? Okay, we're cool.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, I kind of had, you know, again,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: the art. And it's going backwards. It's like I had
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: my artistic phase that I mentioned in high school, and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: I had like the the genre geeky stuff. Like, I
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: remember when Cable hit, and how many times did I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: fucking watch Beastmaster? I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: I bought my first blank VHS specifically to record Beastmaster
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: so I could then have it at my disposal whenever
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: I wanted to watch Beastmaster. As if it weren't on enough.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: As if it wasn't on constantly. That's the joke. Home
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: box office. Hey, Beastmaster's on. So... So, my.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: It's like you had that phase and then you kind of,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: you know, I, my weird driving movie phase, although Beastmaster
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: kind of fits that, but like the, the death race 2000,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: I had a weird obsession with that as a kid.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: So it's like, there's all those, but if you go
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: back before that.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's the signature moment. That is the signature.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: And I almost think you have to be a certain
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: age for you to really get that. And, uh, it's
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: like I was, I was telling the guys on our
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: little show, um, I think one of the reasons I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: collected the action figures and saved all the books and everything,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: it was because you couldn't see the movie over. I mean,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: my dad was a cheapskate. He only took us to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: see it once, and that was it. So after that,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: the whole reason I was getting action figures and saving
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: the packaging is because I was desperately trying to just
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: remember what this thing looked like. I was trying to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: hang on to those feelings, and I never did that
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: with any other movie or tv show it was just
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: it was it was almost like this prophet came out
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: of the sky told you something profound and you didn't
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: have a rock and chisel to write it down what
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: did that guy say and you're trying to remember it
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: over and over and so because of that it almost
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: became like this uh archaeological thing you know okay i've i've.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 8: Got this luke's luke skywalker.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Packaging From the picture, this happened in the first part.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: You're trying to rebuild it. I think because of that,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: it just ground in these obsessions that I've never been
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: able to get rid of with most things in life.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Kids today have it dead easy. They pop in the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: DVD and just watch.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: It over again.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: We say this every week on the show.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: I think that's what it was. It was because I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: was trying to burn into my memory It made me
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: collect things. It made me notice things. It made me
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: talk about things.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: Which actually makes me wonder if obsession is as common
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: among kids as it used to be. Because basically you
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: need to have limited access to material for that obsession
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: to develop. Now that everything is just all out there
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: on the Internet.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: It's essentially disposable. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: And there's like 20 other distractions from what you could choose.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Star Wars did something that... Even movies like it since
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: have never done it. It gave you a universe, too.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: A whole universe for your imagination to run around in.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: You used those toys and things to do that.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: And it was lived in before you ever showed up.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: You didn't have VHS. If you were lucky, you had
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: a Super 8 projector. And you might get a condensed
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: eight-minute version of Star Wars to watch at home, but
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: that's pretty rare.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: But again, it was just an hour, hour and a
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: half out of your life. It was gone. What the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: hell just happened? And you just said how kids today
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: probably don't get as obsessive because of that. Every now
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: and then, you always get this question for people that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: are our age and they now have kids. It's like,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: what order are you going to show the Star Wars
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: movies in? I think that if you really want your
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: kid to have the real Star Wars experience.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: You.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Wait until he's about seven, eight, show him the movie once,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: and then throw out the DVD.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: Never again.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: And then it's like, okay, here's some pictures and action
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: figures now. You try to relive it the way Grandpa did.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: You can get that movie again when you grow up
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: and get a job and buy your own damn Star Wars.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: Only then will you really appreciate it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: Well, to set it in a... entirely different time and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: place that it was um yeah when i went and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: i went that i guess weekend that it opened like
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: you know and i got and again my parents were
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: pretty cool because they bought me the program book oh
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: yeah does that even make sense.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: To kids now what is that i don't even know that's.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: The thing they they did it in four movies back
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: in there because i remember in the lobby albert peon
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: was talking about he got the 2001 2001 program book
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: and sat at home looking at it and that was
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: me with the Star.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: Wars I still remember having the Masters of the Universe
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: programs like for Alien and uh.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Wait you guys are saying that in movie theaters they
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: actually would sell programs in.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: Like the lobby popcorn area.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: And it started with like Cinerama type pictures in the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: 50s like Ben Hur and things like that and they
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: would do it All the way up into some of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: the early 80s. But Star Wars, yeah, I was there.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: This is a very informative podcast.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: That's amazing. People were informative.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing that it cost money.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: That's why I.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Never got it then.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: It was $ 2.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: 25.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: I swear I will never forget sometime in the 80s
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: when Star Wars first came on TV. My dad, hand
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: to Oprah. I swear he said this. He pointed at
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: the TV script and said, you know, look at this.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: If we had only waited like five or six years,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: we could have saved a bunch of money. Wow. A
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: bunch of money.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: You're not winning any fans over for your dad on
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: this episode.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: He doesn't listen to the internet. Come on. That's a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: young man's game.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 10: Come on.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: It opened on Wednesday the 25th.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: And I was keeping track of it. I was watching.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: 12 or 13 when it came out.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: And keeping track of it because it looked really cool.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I even cut the ads out, you know, before it
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: came out. And then we got there on Saturday, and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: there was this long line, you know. And I was like, whoa.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: Has this ever happened before?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: And it was me and a friend and his dad.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: And we're like, what is this, all for Star Wars?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: And the guy's like, yeah. He said, this is my
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: third time. And we just stared at him. He said,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: you'll understand after you see it. And we got the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: program books, and that's when I started looking through that
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: program book, and I started seeing the goofy names, like R2-D2.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: They spell them out.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: C-3PO. C-3PO.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: This is Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: And I was like, this is not what I think
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: it's going to be.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: It was like, you know, Tom Fonix. Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I still remember how that program smelled. I mean,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: that's how intense that experience was.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Fresh ink on that program.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, you were trying to remember that.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Because it was gone. You couldn't replay it. It was.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: Somewhere I still have it. It's... The cover has completely
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: disappeared at this point. It got ripped off. But the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: entire rest of it is still in pretty decent shape.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: It has a long piece with a long version of
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: the Young Coast.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: It has all the characters in it. It's pretty awesome.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: So, whenever you guys went to grade school, did you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: ever have, like, the... scholastic book sales coming through and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: you know and you could always get the big kind
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: of coffee table story of star wars picture book you
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: know i i got that i've got the hardcover.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: I still have it it's a sad part it has got.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: So much duck tape holding it together it's sad but
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: my thing was i just i distinctly remember in summer
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: sitting on the couch having a fan blowing on me
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: and just slowly reading it and studying every frame of
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: every picture and just trying to remember man there was a.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: There was an LP of the story of Star Wars
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: narrated by Roscoe Lee Brown. And it had a flip
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: book through there. And my wife has that memorized, which
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: is one.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: Of the reasons I married you.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: She can sit there and reel that off. Because it's
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: got dialogue and sound effects, but it's got him narrating.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: Geeks, it's good to know there are girls out there
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: for you.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: I have a very weird memory of that. Regards you, Greg. Actually,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: I remember you telling me that you were too young
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: to see Star Wars when it was in the theater.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: And one of your first memories is actually Empire, whenever
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: the snow speeders are going over the mountains. And you
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: said that you could feel it in your chest. Yeah,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: because I was.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: It was 1982?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: 80.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: 80, that's right.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: Because I would have only been five there. And I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: remember my neighbor.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 8: They were taking me without my parents to see it
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: at the drive-in with my sister. My sister had to
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: take me during the movie that was before it to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: see it. to go to the bathroom and I was
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: first time that I'd gone to the bathroom publicly without
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: my dad, you know, all that kind of stuff was
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 8: all in that scene.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: Big night.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: You walked in a boy, it came out a man.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: The lady, the lady that took us was doing the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: Darth Vader voice before I, you know, I had gone
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: to see star Wars, but I was much too young.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: I was two, two and a half or whatever. And yeah, I,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 8: And Empire is the movie for me, when you put
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: it that way. And I have the Empire picture book.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: And when you think, while Ben's going over this with
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 8: Star Wars, I had probably both that and Jedi. And
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 8: my friend Damien and I had stolen my sister's tape recorder.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 8: You know, the old school tape recorder. They all looked
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: identical with the push and play and record button.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: The one that I taped Star Wars with?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: You know, we did that with Wizard of Oz. But anyway,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: I just realized that was my first podcast. Damien and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 8: I stole the tape recorder and we sat in my
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 8: room and we read through the Star Wars book. books
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 8: the empire strikes back in return of the jedi and
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: kind of riffed on it as we were going and
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: made little jokes and oh no that didn't happen here
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 8: that's happened here and we we kind of talked about
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 8: the movie and how awesome it was and and what
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: toys we were going to get onto the tape and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 8: i you know 15 years later listen to this thing
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 8: i still have it just love listening to us talking.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: About don't you release that sadly i did that it
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: was with my cousin but she was way more theatrical
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: so ours was more like sketch comedy like we were
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: doing like skits and we had like fake commercials and
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: like it was it was it was way more of
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: a show you know it was it was again it
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: probably explains why i'm here now again i i ask.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: You you guys if you had had the actual movie
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: on some sort of a format where you could play
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: it and see the actual movie. Do you think he
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: would have done all this stuff?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: I think it does change things. And it makes me
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: wonder how different these next generations are going to turn out.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: Because it's little things like that. Or I was just
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: talking about the other day that, like, there are also,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: I know of a child who was about two and
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: could not ride in the car without a movie on.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: Like we're going two blocks down. Why would I, she
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: was throwing a fit. And I'm just like, we're, we're
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: doing that kind of stuff to our society too, where
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: it's like, we're so distracted with stuff and little kids
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: that are coming up now, it's so ingrained in their
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: daily life that I'm just like, I don't know that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: we realize how drastic things are going to be in
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: like 20 years when these kids are growing up. And
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: it also makes me wonder too.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, you've got the obsession, you know, stuff like,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: you know, twilight and that, but you know, is it like,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: I can't figure out if these people are obsessed over
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: it because they've been waiting for it or because all
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: their friends in high school are also obsessed about it.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: It's almost like going after a certain clothing trend or
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: something like that.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: There's an automatic community.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: You know what it might be? It might be like
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: going to church for them. they basically have read all
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: of the holy tomes. They have talked about all the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: spells and the prayers in it, and now the big
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: movie's coming out. So it's like going to Mecca. It's
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: going to the big religious service with all of the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: fellow acolytes. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, the only time I can
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: think of a movie playing in theaters where it's like
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: a religious ceremony going there is Rocky Horror.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: It was always that way.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's like, It's like the crazy Baptist
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: snake handling versus the very traditional Eastern Orthodox.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty accurate. I was there every week. That's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: what it seemed like to me.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: I accidentally brought a snake to an Episcopal service. I
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: was embarrassed. You would not believe how awkward that was.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: I brought a snake to drive you Miss Daisy. Very
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: embarrassing there.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 9: It bites.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 10: Nice.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: But, you know, to get back to the whole you
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: think kids they get it um i've got a new
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: nephew um through marriage uh not that i married my nephew.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: We don't order we don't endorse such things sort of.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Came with the whole you know getting married thing but
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: he's about uh seven he was a huge fan of
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: the clone wars cartoon but he had never actually seen
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: star wars so i was like oh i can't believe
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: this is perfect i get to show him i get
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: to show someone stars so i had him come over
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: we got pizza we closed all the windows, made it dark,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: tried to create the theatrical experience, popped it in, and
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: he was bored.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: This is episode four?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Watching it with a kid today made me realize how
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: very slow it is in parts.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: They're so used to this. Everything's hyperkinetic now. There's no buildup.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: And I think maybe we were just a different generation.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: hype it because that's the thing my nephew like loves
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: the stuff like everybody just keeps buying him like the
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: toys and he's seen probably the cartoons on TV and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: he knows like the commercials and like the Legos but
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: it's like then like my dad was like you haven't
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: even watched the movie he was giving him shit and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: then I was like he tried to watch and got
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: scared by parts of it and I'm trying to remember
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: if it was four or five I know he was
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: kind of I think he started watching Empire and was
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: scared by the Womble and he's like five or six
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: minutes i'm like it's pretty yeah i think i think
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: maybe there's a certain level that kids are again maybe
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: we're a little easier on kids today so maybe they're
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: not ready for i don't know it's like a weird
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: mixture sometimes kids are brought up in a weird rougher
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: world that like we didn't have a clue but at
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: the same time i think sometimes they're sheltered a little
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: more it's kind of hit and miss it's like your
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: kid may fall into a totally different category yeah.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: I had something similar to what he was talking about.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: It was my very first year teaching, and during testing,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: they were having the upperclassmen testing, and so they just
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: told freshman teachers, bring in some movie to show the kids.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: It's going to keep them interested. It's not going to
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: get you in trouble, essentially. So I brought in Rage
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 7: of the Lost Ark, because I was like, okay, that's PG,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: and it's an awesome freaking movie.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: And then I.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: Put it in, and it was, I swear to God,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: this girl raises her hand, during the fight when he's
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: fighting the big, tough Nazi who has the plane spinning around.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: And I was like, you know, you go to the restroom.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: She's like, no, this is boring. Can we watch something else?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: I was like, this is boring.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: Well, another girl in that class, I almost instinctively hit
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: this child.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I should admit.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: That as a teacher. I can't blame you for that.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: But it was in the very opening sequence, and I
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: swear to God, People, when I tell this story, they
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: think I'm bullshitting them or making them up. Like, no,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: this is true. Somebody said this to me. It was
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: when Indiana Jones was running away from the tribesmen right
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: after Belloc has taken the fertility statue at the beginning.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: And she just makes this comment.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: She's like, this is stupid.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: They just ripped that off from Family Guy.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: It's like, now.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: I have to kill you.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: Think about that. Think about time.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: And how that.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: It's like, I saw Family Guy first, so clearly it's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 7: the original one.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: The guys who made The Simpsons, they were always talking
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: about how they ripped off so many things from Citizen Kane,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: so many camera shots, but now kids have seen Simpsons
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: before Citizen Kane, and they think Citizen Kane is doing
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: The Simpsons.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: And now, you know, Simpsons has been on for 20-some-odd years,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: so everybody else is just like Simpsons already did. Nobody
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: can write anything from this point on that doesn't feel
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: like they ripped off The Simpsons.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Didn't you just feel a little peace that you'd die
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: whenever you were like, these kids think these movies are boring.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: And it was kind of reminding me of when my dad,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: you know, there'd be something on TV like an old
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: Flash Gordon black and white thing and he would get
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: me to watch it and I would find it. boring
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: and kind of cheesy but i'm sure whenever he was
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: a kid it was the greatest thing.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: Ever so every now and then i mean i'll show
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: i don't really show that many movies i do a
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: film club after school and that's usually the more appreciative
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: kids but um in my ap class ap bio i'll
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: show coin of scotty once a year and every now
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: and then i'll get the kid where they'll just be
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: like That blew my mind. Can I borrow the other two?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: And I'll loan him the other two. I'm like, sure,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: go watch the other two. He's not as good as
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: Quentin Scott.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the exceptional kid, you know.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: Especially in high school.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: And I even actually tell him when I show Quentin Scott,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm not going to lie, probably about two-thirds
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 7: of you are going to be bored or the music's
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: going to drive you up the wall. But there's like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: a third of you in here that are really going
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 7: to dig what you see, and that's what I'm shooting for.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: It's weird in this, I guess, to Ben's story, it's
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: weird when it goes the other way. because now I've
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: gotten to the point where I'm such a geek, like,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: I'm still tied to, and it shows the difference between
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: geeks and, like, regular people, because my dad was there
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: with me when I saw it that first time, and
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: it was pretty rare that I, and it's still pretty
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: rare that I go back to the theater and see
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: a movie again. I will usually just go see something else,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: and now that you can watch it at home, I'll
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: catch it, you know, I'll own it later, watching a
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: million times there, but it's rare that I, and then
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: I never did, and Star Wars was one of the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: few times, and I had I don't know if it
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: was that same year. It was kind of that same
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: story of Yubo. It was my birthday, and it was
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: still playing in the theater however long it was. Or
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: it could have even been a re-release like that next
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: year or something whenever they brought it back out. But
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: I remember going back a second time with my dad
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: and having this really great experience like it was just
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: the two of us. And it was that bonding thing
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: of us watching Star Wars together.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: I'm picturing you and your dad in the Andy Griffith
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: show scene walking into the movie theater.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: And we had that bonding Star Wars thing. And it's
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: funny that he still sort of has a level of it,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: but he bought the whole box set of Blu-rays that
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: just came out. And I won't do it because they're
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: the bastardized version. And I saw it and I was like, no,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: that's bullshit. I was like, no, I'm not giving him
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: money for those wrong versions. I'm like, if he puts
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: out the real one, maybe I'll give him a lot
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: more money than I've already given him. So it's funny
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: that he's gotten so relaxed about it. He's like, whatever.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: He doesn't care. He's not this hardcore geek that won't
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: let go of that. So again, I don't know if
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: that's a generational thing. How old is your dad about?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: What did you say?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Is he in his 60s?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got to be about 60.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: What does he think about episode 1, 2, 3?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: Kind of the same thing. My dad's the same way.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: Not as hardcore as I am. They're there. They're okay.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: He probably... Again, I think he got that set, so
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: he's got them, but again, they're not as good as
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: their first ones.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: They're just entertainment.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 7: It's also like that pretty much everybody here at this
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 7: table is almost trying to do the same thing that
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: was done for us when it comes to you're trying
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 7: to show somebody something they haven't seen before, so that
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: way they can also sort of experience that magic. Because
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: I do it with the film club with my students
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: at school. I mean, you were saying you do it
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: with your kids. I know you, Dave, do it with Allie.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: I'll scar my nephew, I'm sure.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just... My daughter, it's so weird
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: because she's seven, but she will respond much more strongly
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: to something from the 50s. She digs tarantula and creatures
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: from the Black Lagoon and the Invisible Man.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: That's awesome.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: She's been like that. But I will try to show
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: her something like Empire, and she's like, it's kind of boring.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Turn off the color on your TV.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: She actually does that. I've got my fourth setting on
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: the TV. It's just black and white. At times, which
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: really warmed my heart, she said, you know, it's kind
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: of cooler in black and white, Daddy. I'm like, I
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: love you.
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  Speaker 3: Smart kid.
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  Speaker 5: Awesome.
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  Speaker 2: But she'll, you know, you talked about doing the tape
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  Speaker 2: recording ritual, which I did and you guys did. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She does it with the iPad. Wow. She'll take parts
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  Speaker 2: of movies.
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  Speaker 5: I guess it's good that it's still going on.
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  Speaker 2: She'll make her own little movies, and I'm thrilled about
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  Speaker 2: all that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I have to do the same also at school. I
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  Speaker 7: have a shelf where once I bought the Outer Limits
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  Speaker 7: on DVD, I still kept all the single VHSs I have,
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  Speaker 7: and I've just got them there on the shelves. And
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  Speaker 7: it's like, I have a note there for students, like,
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  Speaker 7: you want to borrow one of these? Just tell me
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  Speaker 7: which one you want to borrow.
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  Speaker 3: What is this?
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  Speaker 2: It's an object. How do I?
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  Speaker 5: What's this? Rectangular.
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  Speaker 2: Is this a book?
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  Speaker 5: Device. Try to open it.
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  Speaker 3: I think my dad has one of these.
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  Speaker 8: He keeps it in his drawer.
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  Speaker 3: This is amazing.
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  Speaker 7: Do you teach it like the sci-fi?
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  Speaker 10: We're the words.
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  Speaker 5: This is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Only your class.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much. Do you guys have like a Quidditch team
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  Speaker 3: at that school?
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  Speaker 6: I wish.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, but no. I mean, yeah. I can also pinpoint
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  Speaker 5: that as if the movie geek part of it, the collector.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 7: Geek, is directly.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, everything was made... Again, it was the first...
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  Speaker 5: It changed the world of marketing from that point on.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: It really is. From that point, everything changed about marketing
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  Speaker 5: a movie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I had everything. Again, the collector's cards, I think, was
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: another way of rebuilding the movie. And like, ooh, and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: this is from that scene. And then you put them
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  Speaker 5: in order and you retell the story.
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  Speaker 7: All of us have vivid memories of just getting toys.
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  Speaker 7: Because I remember for us, we would reserve them or
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  Speaker 7: order them through Sears and go and get them back
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  Speaker 7: when Sears was.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like I said, there was no marketing in place
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  Speaker 2: for Star Wars when it came out. Nobody had any
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  Speaker 2: confidence in it. There was nothing. And it didn't hit until,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't get the Halloween costumes out until Christmas. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember seeing Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: What did they look like?
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  Speaker 2: They were in typical VAC form, you know, Ben Cooper costumes.
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  Speaker 3: But was it actually a Darth Vader where it said
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  Speaker 3: Darth Vader?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Mine said Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 4: Just in case.
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  Speaker 5: Because I had Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 2: Chewbacca and a Darth Vader and Vader and Skywalker and
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: all those. But I remember there being a stack of
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  Speaker 2: Darth Vader costumes at Airway, which became Target.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it said, be Darth Vader this Christmas. And they
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: were selling like mad. Toys didn't hit until the following spring.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: You had to go out and buy that weird Kenner
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: cardboard box at the local toy store. The early bird thing, right?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: The early bird package, so you could afford to get
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  Speaker 2: the figure shipped to you in March or April of
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  Speaker 2: the next year.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that first year worth... worth of stuff that
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: came out and they were like play sets were a
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: piece of cardboard and a plastic stand like they really
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: were not.
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  Speaker 2: I remember the cantina but son of a bitch.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: I wanted it I wanted it I wanted that cardboard the.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: Cantina was nothing it was like what a rip off.
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  Speaker 2: I think they got the first books and things out
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: right around Christmas like they got the blueprints the Star
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: Wars blueprints of the sets and then they had the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: making of book by 78 I still have that but
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: it was real slow to take off The novelization was
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: the only thing that had been out before the movie.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't see a kid who's into a sci-fi
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: movie that just came out now. They wouldn't go to
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: these lengths.
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  Speaker 5: They don't have to. It doesn't occur to them.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: I had taken a.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 8: Plastic tube out of my father's golf set. It kept
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 8: the club separate. It was a clear plastic tube and
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 8: I took Um, it was right after the little snap
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 8: glow lights and I found a way to tape them
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 8: in there for, for my Halloween costume and tape them
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 8: in there and break them right before we went out
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 8: in the dark and I taped them all up and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 8: carried it around and it looked horrible. It was the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 8: best lightsaber anybody could come up with. And it was
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 8: in our neighborhood. It was legendary. It was like, you know,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 8: because my mom sewed an actual Jedi cloak. And that's
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 8: all I had was a cloak and this two glow sticks.
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  Speaker 5: Awesome.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: Awesome costume. But great, great coffee.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: Think about it.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: You made your own lightsaber. You are technically a Jedi.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 8: According to the bylaws of the Jedi order.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 11: You and I can do that.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: Which means we need to kill you.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: So this podcast can become more powerful. I've been waiting
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: for that step.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, it, now you can walk into
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: the store and it lights up, it glows, it.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 7: Extends, you can make all the sounds.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: That's the thing, my nephew has that and hasn't seen
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: the movie. Loves to beat the hell out of his
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: sister with it. You know, I'm just like, it's weird
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: to me that that stuff is carried over even when
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: the movie's not there. You know, that's what a weird, like,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: following that it has. It's like, it has a following
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: even if you haven't seen the movie. You know what
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: lightsabers are. You know what the TIE fighter does.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 7: You know, it's, That loops back, too, to the whole
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: idea of what's going to become of these kids in
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: the future years. It's like, why obsess over making something
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: when you can just buy it and all that, but
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: it doesn't require any imagination. Because to you, it's like
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 7: you really cherish that lightsaber that you made because you
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: figured it out.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: You made it work.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 7: And now it's like, if you had it, some other
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: kid down the street could have something that's more elaborate.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: With most films, there's something like that.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: I turned so many shoeboxes into spaceships.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: See, I had that. I had one that was probably
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: like Girl Scout cookies came in it or something. The
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: big one, the case. And then I cut, again, this
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: tells you where it was, because I had the Boba
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: Fett before Empire was out. And then I had to
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: cut a hole in the top so the Boba could
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: shoot out the top of this jet pack.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: It was the one you had to order in the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: little box?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: You know those plastic eggs that pantyhose came in? They
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: made the best escape pods for our team.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 8: For Mork, sure, but I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Especially if.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: You have the little clear dome on one end.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: Then they can see where they're going, sure.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: It was kind of weird having a eight-year-old kid going, hey, Ma,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: why don't you get more paintings?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what it was for.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 8: At least you weren't trying to look for pods from
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 8: Star Crash. Is that me asking your mom to do
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 8: something completely different?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: Buy some random crap, Ma.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: I have never seen that movie, but I heard you're
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: all's podcast, and I watched the trailer.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: The podcast is almost as good as what you're saying.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: It's magnificent. God love them.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: They thought they were making a good movie.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: I would get irritated at my mom when she bought
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 7: a different blanket for my bed because the old one
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: had been the perfect desert color, and that was always
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: my Tatooine.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's original.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: Damn you, Mom. Yeah. Bedspread. What the hell is wrong
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: with you?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 8: I had a brown carpet in my room, which I
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 8: had G.I. Joe and Transformers and Star Wars all together.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 8: And it wasn't, it was never done well. And so
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 8: it had a, um, uh, a bow in the carpet.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 8: I called it a wave that you could push around
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 8: the room. And so I would make it, you know,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 8: sometimes I would make it a, a tactical Hill that people, you.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: Know, we have to take the bow, right.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: There are all.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 8: Different things you could do, you know, with the, with
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 8: the wave in the room to set up your figures. And, and, um,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 8: I remember one day my dad had cut and tacked
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 8: and everything back down, and I was so disappointed that
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 8: I'd lost this malleable, you know, play set that I had.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: An entire galaxy is ruined.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: I used to love it whenever my parents would buy
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: a new appliance, a new thing for the oven, because
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: that meant that there would be white styrofoam packing that
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: would be a perfect hot space, because it had these
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: little compartments in it.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: We could do this forever. Hours and hours. So I guess,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: if we've gotten the essentials of our Star Wars love
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: out of the way, we should probably wrap this thing up.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: I'm sure we will return to these memories in any
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: future episode. Okay, kids, get out your decoder pins.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 10: Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: It is time for the Movie Meltdown Secret Circle reveal
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: of the next exciting feature. In the next couple of
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: weeks here, we're going to come back and our sofa
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: theater feature is... Bigfoot. Now, granted, that doesn't give you
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: much of a clue as to what the hell the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: movie is. So to clarify, it's called Bigfoot. It's from 2012.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: The director is Bruce Davison. Bruce Davison directed it? Yes.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: We'll get to that.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you could say he directed it.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, just look for the one that's got Danny
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: Partridge and Greg Brady in it, and you'll know you're
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: on the right track. Danny Partridge. Anything else this week?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: I think we've covered all the memories we can and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: reminisced on all the movies.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: That touched us in a special way.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 10: We've been here too long, trying to get along, pretending
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 10: that you're oh so shy. I'm a natural man, doing
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 10: all I can, my temperature is running high. High at night,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 10: no one in sight, and we got so much to share.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: Hope is.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 10: Fine, if you got the time, but I ain't got
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 10: the time.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah!
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 10: Do you wanna touch? needs a little joy. All you
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 10: do is sit and stare. Begging on my knees, baby,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 10: won't you please run your fingers through my hair? My, my, my,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 10: whiskey and rye, don't it make you feel so fine?
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 10: Ride on, gone, don't.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: It turn you on?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 10: Can't Oh yeah! Oh yeah! Yeah! Oh yeah!
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah!
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 7: Fred's going to show up in a big golden dildo
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: and she's going to break through the window.
• 1:42:40
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• 1:42:43
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• 1:42:46
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• 1:42:49
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• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Talk hard!