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Wired To Hunt Podcast #226: Brad Farris Talks Southern Deer Hunting, Scouting, And Calling Techniques · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two and
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  Speaker 1: and tan the show. I'm joined by Brad Ferris, a
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi bow hunter, member of the Premost Hunting team, and
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  Speaker 1: a white tail properties land specialist. All right, before we
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  Speaker 1: get into the show, we need to thank Lacrosse Boots
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  Speaker 1: family deer camp wearing his green and yellow Lacrosse rubber boots,
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  Speaker 1: if you would like to learn more about Lacrosse for yourself,
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  Speaker 1: to the Wire Dump podcast to you buy Onyx and
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  Speaker 1: today in the show, I'm joined by Brad Ferris, and
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  Speaker 1: I think for a lot of folks, Brad's a household
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  Speaker 1: name in the hunting world because of his long running
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  Speaker 1: work with Primos and he's been a consistent face there
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  Speaker 1: on their TV shows and videos for many years now,
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  Speaker 1: and that's something that Brad does continue to do today.
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  Speaker 1: But he's also a white Tailed properties and land specialist
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  Speaker 1: and a level too cutium made dear Stewart, which which
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  Speaker 1: is a certification program the quality Deer Management Association runs,
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  Speaker 1: which basically it means that if you've made it to
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  Speaker 1: level two, you've been through one of the most comprehensive
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  Speaker 1: white tailed biology and management programs available. So I say
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  Speaker 1: all this just to make sure it's clear that what
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  Speaker 1: we've got here is a tremendous resource. Brad is is
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  Speaker 1: a wealth of information, and I was excited to tell
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  Speaker 1: him on the show not because of just all that,
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  Speaker 1: but also because he hails from the South, and as
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  Speaker 1: I've freely admitted in the past, and as some of
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  Speaker 1: you have, you've made sure that I don't forget it,
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  Speaker 1: I've not always done a good job of featuring guests
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  Speaker 1: from that part of the country. So I'm glad that
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  Speaker 1: at least for this week, I can right that wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And now after speaking with Bread, I'm even more excited
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  Speaker 1: about it, because you know, he's just a genuinely interesting
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  Speaker 1: person and and generous guy with his insight and excitement
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  Speaker 1: and passion about white tailed deer. So in this one,
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  Speaker 1: we chat with Brad a bit about his background growing
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  Speaker 1: up hunting in Mississippi and what that tradition is like
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  Speaker 1: down there. We talked through some of the different ways
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  Speaker 1: that hunting deer in the South can be uniquely challenging
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  Speaker 1: UH in different ways. To address those challenges, we talked
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  Speaker 1: through things like hunting clubs, UM sharing or buying property
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  Speaker 1: with a group of people, sharing property friends, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. We talked through UH tips for hunting and
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  Speaker 1: scouting river bottoms. We discussed the Southern rut, and just
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot more like that. We really dive into
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different facets of how Brad has found
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  Speaker 1: success not just in the South but across the country.
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  Speaker 1: To UM. So, I think it's gonna be one of
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  Speaker 1: those episodes that I think we're all going to enjoy
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I'm excited for you to hear it. We
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  Speaker 1: don't have Dan with us today for the pregame show,
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  Speaker 1: so we're gonna be able to get right into the
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  Speaker 1: episode here in just a second. But I do want
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  Speaker 1: to give a couple of quick little plugs since we
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  Speaker 1: have a touch of extra time here. UM. And the
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  Speaker 1: first thing here is that way back on episode two
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  Speaker 1: eighteen of the podcast, my buddy Andy Mayo was on
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  Speaker 1: the show with us, you might remember, and during that
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  Speaker 1: conversation he shared some thoughts and ideas for dealing with
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  Speaker 1: target panic We got a lot of great feedback on that.
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  Speaker 1: People had more questions, people wanted to see some things.
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  Speaker 1: So what Mean and He decided to do was actually
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  Speaker 1: put together a couple of videos that better explain and
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  Speaker 1: illustrate some of the concepts that he discussed. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're interested in that, those videos are now out there
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  Speaker 1: on the wire hunt YouTube channel. We've got one word
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  Speaker 1: and he's explaining, you know what target panic is and
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  Speaker 1: how to diagnose it. We have another video where we
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  Speaker 1: show ways to eliminate target panic by using an unanticipated
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  Speaker 1: release and how you can achieve that with a number
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  Speaker 1: of different um like different actual releases. So index finger release,
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  Speaker 1: hinge style released, thumb button released, and then there'll be
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  Speaker 1: a video coming out here. It should be out by
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  Speaker 1: the time you're listening to this, which goes through some
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  Speaker 1: drills that you can use while you're practicing at home
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  Speaker 1: to really hammer all this stuff. So definitely check out
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  Speaker 1: those videos if you're interested in that concept, that issue.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got many other weekly video blogs I've been
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  Speaker 1: posting over there all on the wire hunt YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 1: So if you're not subscribed to that, please do so,
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  Speaker 1: because again this fall, there's gonna be a lot of
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  Speaker 1: content on there. I'm gonna be getting some more help
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  Speaker 1: on the video side of things, which is something I've
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  Speaker 1: been needing for a while, and I think that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: lead to much better content. So I'm excited about that.
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  Speaker 1: And next, we need to take a quick second to
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  Speaker 1: thank Onyx for their support of this podcast. And the
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  Speaker 1: Onyx Hunt app is something that you know similarly to
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  Speaker 1: what I mentioned a while ago. It's easy for me
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  Speaker 1: to talk about because it's something that I've personally been
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  Speaker 1: using for quite a number of years now. And the
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  Speaker 1: Onyx Hunt app provides me digital maps right on my
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  Speaker 1: phone and with the Elite membership, which is something I
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  Speaker 1: bought last year, it gives me access to property owner
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  Speaker 1: information and public land borders and all sorts of other
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  Speaker 1: helpful map layers for the entire country. You can go
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  Speaker 1: in there and select whatever states up to five states
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  Speaker 1: at a time where you want this in depth information.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny just just last night I was using my
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  Speaker 1: Onyx app because my buddy further he was telling me
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  Speaker 1: about this new property that he might be getting permission
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  Speaker 1: to hunt on, and it's actually kind of near my
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  Speaker 1: main southern Michigan farm that I hunt. So I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of excited to hear about that, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to check out the aerial of the property. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see what this place looked like. But he was
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  Speaker 1: driving and he didn't really know how to describe to
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  Speaker 1: me where it was that other than the road name
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  Speaker 1: and then the last name of the property owner. So
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  Speaker 1: he told me he'd sent me a screenshot later when
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  Speaker 1: he got done driving. But I'm an impatient person, so
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  Speaker 1: I pulled up my Onyx app last night. I started
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  Speaker 1: slowly panning along this road he mentioned, and I was
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  Speaker 1: just looking at all the property owner names and trying
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  Speaker 1: to match up to find this place he's talking about hunting.
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  Speaker 1: And I kept going, kept going until I finally I
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  Speaker 1: actually found the place. Was able to see the parcel boundaries,
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  Speaker 1: was able to see the aerial view of the place.
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  Speaker 1: I could see the top old lines, I could see
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  Speaker 1: you know that, I could see the swamps. I can
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  Speaker 1: see the crop fields and the timber and everything that
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  Speaker 1: basically everything I need to analyze the property and be
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  Speaker 1: able to say, hey, yeah, further, you should try to
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  Speaker 1: hunt this place. Definitely try and nail down that permission,
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  Speaker 1: because it looks pretty nice. Um, so I'm hoping that
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  Speaker 1: works out because you know, not only would I like
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  Speaker 1: Josh Chevin nice place to hunt, but it would be
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  Speaker 1: uh selfishly nice for me to have him hunting close here,
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  Speaker 1: because if all the stars aligned, I'm hoping he will
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  Speaker 1: be close enough to swing on over and help me
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  Speaker 1: drag holy Field out of the woods one of these nights.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see. I digress, though, I guess my point
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  Speaker 1: here is that I'm personally finding the on X hunt
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  Speaker 1: app to be a very handy tool, and if you'd
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  Speaker 1: like to check it out for yourself, you can visit
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  Speaker 1: onyx maps dot com or head to the mobile phone
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  Speaker 1: app store of your choice. And now let's get this
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  Speaker 1: show on the road, all right with me? Down the
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  Speaker 1: line is Brad Ferris. Welcome to the show, Brad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thanks Mark. I appreciate you giving an opportunity to come
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  Speaker 1: come visit with you and and talk to things that
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  Speaker 1: we all enjoyed, which is obviously white tail deer and
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  Speaker 1: all portions of it. Yes. Yeah, I've never had a
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  Speaker 1: bad day when I get to talk about deer hunting.
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  Speaker 1: That just uh, it's always it's always a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I understand you've been pretty busy lately though, How
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing well? We're doing good. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I still I still have a I still do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of work with Primos Hunting. I've um I started
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  Speaker 1: working there, I guess in the mid nineties, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't have any day to day work there as I
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  Speaker 1: used to do because now with White Cap Properties, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just setting land and farms and hunting land is is
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  Speaker 1: my everyday job. But I still work on the Kimmy
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  Speaker 1: Shame um with Will Jimmy and myself and other pretty
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  Speaker 1: much guys Troy Lake and Jordan's um. So still get
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  Speaker 1: to still get to do some of the fun stuff
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  Speaker 1: with those guys and every day, so that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: my my daily routine. Now. Yeah, that's uh, that is
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  Speaker 1: not a bad day to day routine right there. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of guys would would love that. What um, look,
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  Speaker 1: I've been I've been so fortunate, boy asked. I pinched
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  Speaker 1: myself every morning to be sure it's it's it's true day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny, it's easy. I don't know if you're like
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  Speaker 1: this too, but sometimes it's easy for me to fall into, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everything that stuff just becomes work. Eventually, right,
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  Speaker 1: no matter how unique or cool it is, eventually it
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  Speaker 1: does become work and you find yourself wake up in
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  Speaker 1: the morning you're like, oh man, I got this thing
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  Speaker 1: to do and that thing to do and that thing
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  Speaker 1: to do. And then I always need to catch myself,
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  Speaker 1: just like you said, I need to pinch myself and
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  Speaker 1: and and say, hey, the stuff that you have to do.
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  Speaker 1: You get to hop on the phone and talk about deer.
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  Speaker 1: You get to run outside and take some pictures or
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  Speaker 1: check a trail camera and share that online. Like my work.
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  Speaker 1: You're so blessed to I'll do that. So I have
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  Speaker 1: to always remind myself that we've got a really good
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  Speaker 1: and I need to be thankful for that right every
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  Speaker 1: day very fortunate. Like I've got to spend so much
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  Speaker 1: time in the outdoors, and I tell people it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't even see a dog would treat
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  Speaker 1: bloom until I was about twenty five years old on
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  Speaker 1: forty nine now, and meaning that you know a dog
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  Speaker 1: would treat boom in the spring. I would just walk
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  Speaker 1: by and never realize what a great thing it is.
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  Speaker 1: Because I got older, you started seeing that thing and
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  Speaker 1: the little things like that started in nature started meaning
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  Speaker 1: more to me as an outdoors person than than anything
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I guess, I guess I kind of
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  Speaker 1: take that from what she said. It's it's those little
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  Speaker 1: blessings that we have each and every day we've got
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  Speaker 1: to be thankful for. Yeah, yeah, very true. So so
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  Speaker 1: rewinding real quick right to what you're saying a second ago,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to get a little bit better idea
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  Speaker 1: of of what your what your world looks like right now.
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  Speaker 1: You said you're you're you're continue to contribute on the
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  Speaker 1: TV shows with with Primos, But on the White Tell
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  Speaker 1: property side, where are you operating? You know, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like around Mississippi that general area. Um, can you tell
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  Speaker 1: us a little more about what you're focused on down
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  Speaker 1: there and what you're what you're finding for sure? So,
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  Speaker 1: so Chipper Gibbs and he's my he's a partner, my
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  Speaker 1: my full time partner with White Tail Properties, and he
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  Speaker 1: and I are licensed in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas. And
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  Speaker 1: you know our focus every day is recreational land, farm land, timberland.
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  Speaker 1: And um, I mean we have properties that we that
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  Speaker 1: we sail two people and four people from from forty
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  Speaker 1: acres to I mean, I got one property right now
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  Speaker 1: that's n acres. So we we hand a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things recreation, timber, and farm, and that's that's what we
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  Speaker 1: do every day. Now. As far as houses go, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I can sell a house just like anybody, but
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  Speaker 1: we do that's not what we do. We are focuses
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  Speaker 1: on land and farm and you know, ranch, timber, touched,
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  Speaker 1: just just recreational style focused. So um, yeah, we do
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  Speaker 1: that in these three states down here, and I've had
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  Speaker 1: some I've helped some guys on some elk cranches that
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  Speaker 1: west as well, because as long as you have a
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  Speaker 1: last license anywhere with a licensed person in that area.
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  Speaker 1: So so every day just wake up thinking about you know,
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  Speaker 1: hunting land and just trying to make people dreams come
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  Speaker 1: true because we're responsible for people really really lean on
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  Speaker 1: us to help them make a purchase of a lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: And I take that very seriously and not lightly because
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  Speaker 1: miss guy and somebody would you know, would not be
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  Speaker 1: would not be something that I would would ever do.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned you've got an acre property for sale. It's
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  Speaker 1: just happenstance. I think I've ran across this property. Is
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  Speaker 1: this the brandy Wine island. It is, it's brandy Wine.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually even in two states. It's in Arkansas and Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: Another White Tel agent, David Pritcher, and I have it
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  Speaker 1: listed for the for the owner, and it is. It
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  Speaker 1: is a truly magnificent piece of property. It's just been
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  Speaker 1: protected for so many years and it's it's like something
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  Speaker 1: you would have seen, you know, thirty years ago. It's
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  Speaker 1: just that been preserved that much. Um and it is
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  Speaker 1: one incredible, dear, dear property. Duck and Turkey track as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was, I was. I've been watching a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: the different premost YouTube videos lately and there's an old
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  Speaker 1: one where you guys are hunting this place called brandy
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  Speaker 1: Wine Island, and so I was watching that, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 1: this place is pretty wild. So so I just googled
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  Speaker 1: Brandywine Island to try fair like where this is, and
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  Speaker 1: then I saw, oh, it's it's actually an individual property.
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  Speaker 1: That's you know, it is actually being sold enough. So
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  Speaker 1: I end up looking at it, looking at the listing
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  Speaker 1: and wow, that looks like a absolute dream location. Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's pretty awesome. So it's kind of funny you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned it is great. It's just a big place. You
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  Speaker 1: don't see that many single owned properties. Been in that
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  Speaker 1: family for, like I said, thirty years, and the man
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  Speaker 1: that purchased it passed away, and his wife, you know,
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  Speaker 1: still on now, and it's just is she's in her
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  Speaker 1: eighties and she just kind of ready to ready to
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  Speaker 1: pass it on to the next guy. And I wish
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  Speaker 1: I was that next guy. It's a beautiful place. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so let's talk about that general area down there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if I understand right, you grew up in you grew
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  Speaker 1: up hunting in Mississippi, Is that right? That is correct? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in in Jackson, Mississippi. I live in
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  Speaker 1: a little small town outside of Jackson now called Raymond,
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  Speaker 1: and been here my whole life. And we have a
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  Speaker 1: place that I hunt on the Mississippi Rivers called Togo Island.
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  Speaker 1: That um, we turned it into a share club and
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of got to be a big thing down
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  Speaker 1: here in the South and and even in other parts
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  Speaker 1: of the country. Where me explaining with the share club
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  Speaker 1: is where guys go in and so it's twelve of
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  Speaker 1: us own Togo, you know, have undivided interest. You. I
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  Speaker 1: bought a share and other guys were winning in put
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  Speaker 1: this together, and um, we have rules just like a
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  Speaker 1: hunting just like a hunting camp. But you know, you
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  Speaker 1: take a big property like that, it's very few people
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  Speaker 1: can conbude on their own. So it's been done enough
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  Speaker 1: and been somewhat perfected where it just really really works
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  Speaker 1: great too, because I place it seventy two acres, which
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  Speaker 1: is which is extremely big for a southern property. But
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine one guy bite not bullet. That's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty big step. But you get you know, two or
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  Speaker 1: twelve guys, and it's really an unattainable position for for
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  Speaker 1: most people. And and it's just a dear factor down there.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the things that seems very unique compared
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  Speaker 1: to like where I'm hunting up in Michigan. Seems like
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  Speaker 1: down the southern part of the US, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these hunting clubs or sounds like you know, a
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  Speaker 1: share a share club. We actually share property that That's
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  Speaker 1: something I've never experienced where you might share property with
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  Speaker 1: that many people that that all know each other and
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  Speaker 1: are kind of working together a little bit. What's that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what's that like sharing a properly like that
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  Speaker 1: with people that are all kind of have a vested
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  Speaker 1: interest in it. Anything that used to uniquely think about
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  Speaker 1: when when planning your hunts or when actually figure out
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  Speaker 1: management plans, or if someone's going to get into something
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  Speaker 1: this themselves that they should be aware of before diving in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and it's it's it's really easy to do. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So say you take yourself and four buddies of in
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  Speaker 1: you're part of the country and say you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: and it's you know, a thousand acres in the South
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  Speaker 1: to me is not near as big as a thousand
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  Speaker 1: acres say in the Midwest. Um, it just it hunts
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: different here. Um that you need more land here to
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: manage dear herds to to a mature page, then I
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: think you do in the west. Um. But the biggest
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: thing is is get you You got to have an
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: operating agreement. You gotta put that together. You've got to
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: have a set of rules. And you know it's not
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: like only in your own place. You you do have
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: to have rules to go by and everybody has to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: adhere to them. Like we have a board of managers
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: that makes the day to day decision on how we operate. Um,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: we pay a yearly. Um, do you know dudes that
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: that operates the club pace you know for the food plots,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: place pace for the equipment and just the day to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: day operation. The biggest thing I would tell somebody starting
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: one the people are the key to it. You know,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: you get ten good people. We we we really have
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: a good time and we have as much fun after
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the hunt, you know, around the firepit, around eating time
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: or supper time as we do any as we do hunting. Um.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: So the biggest thing is finding people that can get
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: along with each other. Um. We do not sell a
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: share to anybody unless they come spend a couple of
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: weekends hunting with us, and you know, we want them
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to like us as well. So it's just a said
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: of just taking somebody with a check. We want to
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: get to norm before they we let them in in
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the you know as a partner, um. And we feel
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: like it's important that they get to know us. Yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and it can really work good. It just takes some
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: time and effort, but it's a great way for for
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: full five or six people to go in and and
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: buy a nice sass property and be able to afford
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: it and manage it. So this is something I was
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: just gonna say, this is something I've thought about a lot,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, going in on a property with a group
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: of friends, because to your point, and it can be
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: hard to afford a big property on your own, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: if you get a group together, pull your money share
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the place. But then at the same time, there's always
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that lingering worry in the back. You know, what if
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: someone can't pull their own or what if something goes
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: wrong handfully years into it, Like, is there anything if
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you're actually gonna into a place of this with friends
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: from you know, being a realtor yourself, like from the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: actual setting up the purchase agreement or how you set
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that up, or any kind of safety mechanisms that you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: put in place to make sure you're protected if someone
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: goes off the deep end, or if someone all of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a sudden can't pay their share anymore, or anything on
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that front. If if we're actually gonna buy property with
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it a couple of friends, or something that we should
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: be thinking about. Well, So, the way most of them
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: are set up is you have like a company, say
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like a UM, say like a land company. And the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: way we do ours is you can buy into the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: land company. But that does not give you rights recreational
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: rights on the property. I mean, and you you own
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the part of that as an investment. You know, we
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: can never take that away from you, but we can.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: We haven't set up where if somebody falls off the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: DPN for whatever five years from now, you know, get
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: some trouble, whatever that may be, we can we can
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: actually force them out of the the recreational rights. It's
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: in the operating agreement that they signed from day one. Um. Now,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: we can't. All we can do is bond out of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the the company side of it. Um. But we do
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: have checks and bounces set up to actually, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: remove somebody from the recreational side in case that happens.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately that's that's the unfun part of it. But
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that's something has to be doing to protect everybody's interest.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: It's just a simple operating agreement that an attorney can do.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And um yeah, but it definitely has to be there
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: because you know, things changed ten years from now a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: long time and you just don't never know what could happen. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: that seems smart to make sure you've got the the paperwork,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: kind of had that operating agreement everything figured out ahead
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of time. It's easy. I think for some people, especially
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: if you're friends, you know, just like, oh, let's just
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: shake our hands and say we're gonna do this and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and just go ahead with it. But to your point,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: things change, Um, you never know what you never know
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: when you have to. I guess the easiest way to
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: explain it's a business and you have to treat it
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like a business and set it up. There's a business
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and um and if you do that, it's it works,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It works good. I mean, I can't I can't tell
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you how proud I am to be be a part
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of Togo and be able to recreate their year round.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm hit it there next week to do get
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: on the bulldozer and we do some food plots and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: make some new feed plots all week. So that's that's
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: actually more fun to me than than the root crazy Sam. No,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I do know that's fun. I in a second, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: don't want to ask you a little more about what
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you guys are doing there specifically, but I want to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: jump a little bit back towards just hunting clubs in general,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: because I understand there's a lot of clubs out there
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: where folks don't actually own the land together, but they
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe twenty guys all hunt this chunk that
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: maybe is least from a you know, timber company or
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: something like that. Um So I've heard, you know, people
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: mention this kind of stuff, but again I've never done it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Um But I hear stories and having to sign up
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: for as if a tree stand each day, or different
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: things along those lines. Is there anything you've you've heard
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: or have found as far as how to just that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: just seems like it would be a little bit difficult
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: when you don't actually get to choose where you want
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to hunt on a given day. You know, usually I'm
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: making a decision based off of information I have weather conditions,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: win conditions, access throutes, all these different things, trail camera
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: data that are going to tell me where I need
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to be on this given day. But if I had
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to then if I knew where I wanted to be,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: but then I have to you know, hopefully no one's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: already there. Kind of situation or sign up the day
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: before that seems like a throw a wrench in it sometimes.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: How how how do you recommend people handle or make
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the best of those steps of situations? You know, I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: hunted it in course, I know what you're saying. You
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you have trail cameras and you have places you want
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to hunt, and you know you you waite on a
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: perfect wind. But but that is the thing about a
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: hunting club, even a share club, that you've got to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: be able to to deal with is is just I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: kind of say, you gotta you know, you gotta play
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: with others, so to speak, and and have some patience.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: That's that is the part of it. You know, you're
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: not there on your own. It ain't like you on
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: your own four acres and you can set up ten
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: spots and hunt them when you won't you know, that's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the ideal situation. But for for many of us, you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: hard working folks that can't afford that. You have to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: get in a hunting club that's a timber company owns
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and you least sacres and it's twenty people, um, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and all of them are set up different. Some clubs
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: have it where everybody's got your own lin spots and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that's where they go day in the day out. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: others have a signing board where you where you draw,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: which this kind of works good. Where you draw, say,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: if it's ten of us, and you put your hand
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: in a hat and you draw one through ten or
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: whoever draws one and obviously has first picked that that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: morning or that afternoon, and then whoever draws ten has
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: last pick. So um and did that. That's the part
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of a hunting club that you have to be able
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to to deal with um his whale. And that's that's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: kind of Deer camp is a big thing down in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the South. And while I had a deer camps, but
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: they weren't really good. I mean, everyone's always be there's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: some issues, but um, you usually don't take people along
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to weed those bad bad apples out, and and and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: some people just need to hunt their own place and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: hunt it the way they want. I guess. I guess
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: when I'm premost hunting, we are serious and we aren't
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: really hard. But when I'm fun hunting, I don't get
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: too I don't get too worried about being so serious.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I just like to have fun and I appreciate your
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: time outside. Yeah, you mentioned there's a lot of deer camps.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a big thing for you guys down there.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It seems like there's a really rich tradition down and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the Southern deer hunting tradition seems to be a really unique,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: really special thing. Can you keep talking about that a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: little bit? What what that? What makes that so special?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You know? When I grew up in a deer camp
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: in Jasper County, which is in the eastern side of Mississippi.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: In this I think one reason there's so many camps
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like that is because there is a lot of timber company.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: You know, Timber is a big thing here, and it's
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of company companies that owned large tracks of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: land and they least they least out portions of it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to certain clubs. And that's just kind of been that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: way for years. Um. And and that's from east to west,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: all over the state of Mississippi, Alabama, and even Louisiana
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to the same. Um, it's definitely important that the gosh
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I remember as a kid could not wait to go
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to deer camp on Friday night. That was like what
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I lived for. I quit all of sports in the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: seventh grade because they started interfering with my deer campaign,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and then that that was just the most
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: important thing to me. It was going to deer camp
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: on Saturday night, hunting to a Sunday at at you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to a Sunday afternoon, and um, I know many people
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: share that same same way of thinking and doing this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: this day in time. Yeah. Yeah, we got to have
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a similar thing up in up in northern Michigan. We've
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: got our Northern Skin deer camps and little cabin up
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: in the big woods and you know, one of the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: things that we always used to do up there that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: later in life I found out that some people don't
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: do and they kind of thought was bizarre. Um, but
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: they we have like buck poles. Is this thing up
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: there where you know, opening weekend, a gun season whatever,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: everyone you know gets your buck and you hang them
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: on these poles. And even like gas stations and you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: grocery stores and stuff, we have these big poles out
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: in the parking lot and everyone brings their deer there
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and everyone hangs their deer and then every you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: folks mill around all night looking at the deer and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: talking about telling your stories and everything like that. Um,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that just seemed to be like what you just did,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and that was like the coolest thing. But then as
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: an adult later I talked to people down in you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Kentucky or Iowa or wherever. They're like, you do what?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: You hang all these deer on a pole? Um. They
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: thought it was kind of bizarre seeing these pictures a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: ten deer or twenty deer all lined up like that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Is there anything unique like that? You're anything unique to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a southern deer camp that you guys do that maybe
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: we'd see up here and be like, oh, that's kind
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: of different. You know, nothing like that, like in a
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: community where you take and hang you do it, but
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I know it every hunting club we you know, we
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: we call them skin and sheds. You know this, the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: skin and shed like it caught in what we do,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: all the primo stuff we The skin and shed is
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: kind of like the center place where we always congregate
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and we meet at. We can't wait to get to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: late morning and then right after dark to see what happened.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So our skin and she had so to speak, is
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it's kind of our fun place as a group where
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: we get together and do what you just discussed. But
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: if you know, it's just within our group, it's not
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in a like in a public in town or anything
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: like that. Got so, yeah, the skin and she is
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: an important part of deal camp. Very fun all the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: laughs and stories. Yea, the social hub that is that
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: is an important part. That's a good way. Yeah. You
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: talked a little bit ago about how thousand acres down
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to hunt as big as a thousand
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: acres in the Midwest. Maybe, UM, can you stand on that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious because because again, um, I haven't
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: hunted down south. I'm always trying to better understand what
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: makes it unique? Donner? What's unique about that situation? Um,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: why do you think that is? You know, and we
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: have a lot of the deer numbers, We have a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: lot of deer numbers here. I spent a lot of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: time hunting in in Iowa, Illinois, Kansas. Um, you know
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: years ago, when you know a five acre farm stay
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: in Illinois, it just it's kind of hard to explain
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you a mature deer. It's a five and a half
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: year old deer down here, and my experience does not
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: move like a five and a half year old deer
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: in the Midwest. You know, I can remember seeing hunt,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: just say, a hundred sixty five or six year old
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: deer and hunting him in Illinois and seeing him move
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: every day, trying to figure him out here you have
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like the first few days of this season, if they're
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: on some kind of summer pattern you have, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you might have an opportunity that one of those kind
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of deer. If not, chances are you gonna have to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: wait till the rut, you know, before or during the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: rut to catch them moving. They just they just don't
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: move here typically like they do up there. And a
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: lot of it too is food because you know, late
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: season and you're part of the world. If you've got
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: some kind of food source established, it's so it's you're
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: gonna see some deer. I mean, they're gonna move. We
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: don't really have winter kill here. We don't have extreme
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: cold temperatures that makes those dear moves. So you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you really really rut time is when when things happen
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: here on those really top end deer. Now backing that up,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: why does that how does that change? I mean, it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: some similarities in the Midwest versus the South, but um,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it just it just unt's different. Um how can I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: put that into words where people listening can understand that,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of our stuff is thick, uh
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: like on our place that we own it, like many
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: other people. To me, cover is the most important thing
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you can have. I mean, I know everybody has, you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: all these attractions and feeds and makes food plots, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that's a huge part of hunting. But I look at
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: cover before I look at anything, because if I got
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: plenty of cover, I want to have plenty of mature deer. Um.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: If you only got one sad so I got a
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: two acre block, and this is kind of nuts and
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: bolts of what I enjoy doing most is because you
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: have a two acre block of land and you've got like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: it's a forty acre clear cut in the middle of
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: it and the rest is open timber. Yeah, you're gonna
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: have some some deer in that forty acres. Keep it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: as sanctuary. But if you take that same two acres
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and you make four tim aker bed and areas clear
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: cuts or heavy thingings on that twounded acres, you're gonna
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: hold more mature deer in my opinion, because they can
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: spread out. I mean, they're fine this time of you're
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: hanging out together, but once there comes off, so they
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: turned into different, you know, different animals, and you need
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: to give them plenty of space to spread out. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: could could you could you um run their little hypothetical
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: with me here. I'm curious, yeah, because I love the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: same thing that you're talking about here where I love
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the ability to um to kind of paint whatever picture
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you want on a piece of property, kind of do
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: things like that to try to make it better for wildlife,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: better for hunting. UM. I don't own any land, so
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I've had very limited opportunities, but I've been don't do
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: this on a couple of little spots. Um. But let's
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: say you've got that situation, that two acre block of timber, um,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and let's say you own it and you can do
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: whatever you want with it to try to to try
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to make it into a better piece of white tail ground.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's down in Mississippi. It's it's open timber.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: But you've got, you know, the ability to do some stuff.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Can you walk us through this hypothetical two acre property
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and how you'd approach turning it from just a big
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: block of timber into something you think would be an
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: ideal white tail set up? Sure? Sure not. And it
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: seemed like I do this daily because it's a big
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: part of what we do it that white tail property
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is explaining stuff to people and helping them. Um So
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: in the and then this is one way I like
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to think about it and explain it. The uglier a
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: piece of property is the better hunting it is nine
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: times out of ten. Meaning if it's been cut and
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: it's brides and it's nasty and it's stick, I mean,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that is the perfect habitat, the perfect place for for
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: white tail deer. That's what they love. If you walk
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: out there and it's open trees and beautiful, you know
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you've got a lot more timber value actually, but you
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: just don't have the cover and the sanctuary for those
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: for those deer, they just dear deal want thick stuff here.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen deer in the Midwest. I mean, bucks just
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: beat on the side of open ridge. You don't hardly
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: ever find that down here, dear beded up. Now, he
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: might be in a if a tree fail from a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: storm or top. He might be laying in that every
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: now and then. But they just that they don't stay
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: in that open country. They're gonna find that sanctuary every time,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: those bucks young and old. Um So, how would you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: set up that? So if you can, if you have
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to make those deer sleep where you want
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: them and eat where you want them as in a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: food plot food source summer or or winter. To me,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that is ideal. And if you set it up with
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a southerly section and a northerly section, meaning you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: if you got south winds, you've got these this area
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you can hunt, and if you've got north winds, you've
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: got this area you can hunt. And just draw it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: out where if you're going in new you cut timber
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and it gets thick, they will be there that question,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: they will be there. And then if you lay some
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: open timber in between that and say two to five
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: acre food plot, well you just created a transition area
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that whether it's you know, from from feed to bed
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: or from dead to feed, you have the ability to
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: get in there and actually hang stands and hunt those
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: deer and make them somewhat move in a pattern that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you control. Does that makes sense to um? And then
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: it takes three to five years to create that in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: some instances, but once you get it done, it can
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: be so much fun. And not not only do you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: create that and it gives them a safe place to be,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: but it also gives you you gotta remember, access, you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: getting into those spots and getting out of those spots.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That's that's as important as anything, especially getting out in
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the afternoon. You know, if you got to blow your
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: deer out of a food plot every afternoon, you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you're just you're putting pressure on them. And that's fine.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: You're gonna see deer be those older deer just godly,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: they just don't they just don't put up with it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned the beginning about how you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: rather than having your property with like a big forty
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: acre cut in the middle, you'd rather have four ten
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: acre cuts. See, like you said, spread them out a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: little bit. When you're sitting at that when you're setting
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: up these food plots, are carving in these food plots too.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: In this scenario, if we're trying to look at like
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the ideal, would you then try to pair a small
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: food plot with each one of those betting areas too,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: or would you have just the one big Yeah? What
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: would you do there? No, No, that's that's and maybe
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't explain myself, but yeah, I would. I would
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: create a food plot in a bedding area at each
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of those four locations and maybe have a maybe have
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a couple more. Just depending on every place is a
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: little different. Um yeah, definitely, you would. I would. You
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: would need to create that, um And and that's why
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I say you got four, so you got two you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: can hunt on the south suddenly flow pattern and then
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you got to you can hunt and orderly you know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: flow pattern with the winds. That's exactly right. Just you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: And that's just a little scenario. It could be much
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: bigger than that obviously. UM Now, I do like big
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: food plots. You know, you can have little The bigger
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the food plot, the more deer are going to use it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And and I love having a big food plot that
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I call a destination plot on a track too, if
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: if possible, because if a small one you might feed
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: let's just say two to five deer that that that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: live in that section of your phone. If you have
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a big one, you're gonna have deer come from all
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: sections of that farm as a as a nighttime thing.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: That's why when you have fields and you see all
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you walk in those fields like man, look at the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: rubs and the scrapes and the deer side. That's because
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he's deer. That's where they go and spend their nights.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You know, that's where they stay and they spend time
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: in there. That's why you have so much buck signed
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: around those big fields. And I love a big field
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: if if that's if you can keep it quiet, you
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: don't have you have it b where you don't have
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: vehicles going by, um And and it's just a sanctuary thing.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And that's that's what you have to do to keep
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: those mature deer either to create opportunities for you to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to even see them in a day like with a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: with a bow or gun. Yeah. Yeah. When it comes
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to food plots, is there anything unique that's working particularly
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: well down there for you or anything that you're doing
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: there that might be different than you know, our great
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: big corn and bean fields and everything that we might
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: have up here. You know, not not really because in
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: like in the Delta portions and the and other portions
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of the state, we have a lot of corn beans,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, ag production, and in those
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: areas with that agricultural influences where our bigger deal idear
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that way, the most idea that that that are the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: biggest um just there's all kinds of different blends out there,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: um Man. As much as is you can get that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You can not to just pick out one thing, but
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: if you can create something for those deer that gets
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: it gets them from October through May or June. Which
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: is a simple fall blond of like wheat, oaks and clover.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You know, that's that's that's what I would suggest to somebody.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: And then you have brassicas that you can add it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you can keep adding to to that January
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: February March food source. But just the easiest is just
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: like a simple wheat, oat and clover mix. Um is
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to simplify. Yeah, what about growing conditions and everything we
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: got That's the thing about here. You know, we our
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: winners are not bad. So the co front comes through
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and it gets you know, down in the in the twenties,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: maybe for a couple of nights and highs in the fifties,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and it might get get up a little bit. It's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: just kind of as those fronts come in. So growing
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: conditions are great here. We have long summers that gets hot,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: so we when we have a good bit of rainfall
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: here too. I mean I think our average rainfall is
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: seventy some inches and a year or so. It's truly
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: just all about your soul prepped and your preparation because
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you're never gonna have a year where you can't make
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: anything growth hardly. You just gotta gotta prepare the ground right.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And but speaking of food plots, and I considered this
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a food plot too, what I started doing on some
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: properties I helped people on. So you've got a ten
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: acre clear cut, like we discussed earlier, Well, if you
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: go and everybody wants to know what I go back
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and replant it with. And we used to do that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: The problem with replanet in trees, whether it the pines
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: or hardwoods or whatever, is ten years, which is not
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a long time anymore. You're gonna be faced with the
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: same problem you were from day one. Those trees are
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: gonna canopy over. You're gonna start losing that understory. You're
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: following me, you know, as a as a mature. Well,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: what what Rice started doing is taking those ten acre
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: blocks that you've created for bedding areas or sanctuary areas
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: and spraying them every three years with a chemical whether
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: it be from a helicopter or do it from a
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: ground rig, and and just killing those all the woody
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: stuff and letting it start over again. So so you're
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: not selectively doing anything. You're going to kind of doing
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a blanket spray of everything is setting it all back,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: killing everything woody, Yes, sir, Yeah, And what happens is, uh,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we we do burning times and and that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: is good. But the problem with burning is you completely
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: clean up your area every year. So that's good for
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: for food for turkeys and deer, yes, but when you're
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: going in and burn, you know all you you're you're
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: actually all your covered leaves were burning it up. So
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you're back to square one. Um. So I prefer to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: have a secluded place that I just that I keep
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: totally controlled and keep the grass and the dewberry and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the briars and just all the the stuff that dear
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: need to survive their main food sources. That just keeps
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: them keep some thick and healthy. Yeah. The shade is
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: their worst enemy. Yeah. And to your earlier point, that
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: kind of set up not only does that make great
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: cover and bedding, but when you've got all that new growth,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you've basically have a natural food platau. Right, That's exactly right,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: And and and the deer gotta have it because you can
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: plan all the stuff you want. We can, but you
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: have to. I mean the natural stuff that Mother Nature
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: put their form, that's what they need. And if you've
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: give them plenty of that, everything else is just gravy
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: to them. And it it just it really works. And
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it takes a while to get that process, but it's
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: once you get it, it's it's Man, does it worked good?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Speaking of natural forage, Um, you know, when I'm walking
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: around property here in Michigan and I'm I'm looking for
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: maybe an old apple tree or I'm looking for white oaks. Um,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for that kind of stuff where there might
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: be some some soft mass or some hard mass, might
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: be a natural food source I can find back in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the wood and hang a stand there. Um. But for
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: someone down by by you and Mississippi, if you can't
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: plant food plots, but you're looking for these natural food
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: sources that deer particularly like down by you, what are
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: some of those things that gives the key in on
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the same thing you just said. I mean, of course
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you got different. Like early on, you're gonna have all
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: your oaks species you're gonna have we have, you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: for simmons, and we call them bean tree, which is
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a honey locusts and you're familiar with a honey locust.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It's got the long black bean on it. Um. That's
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: an important food source for the fall. And here easy
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like we call them uh water oaks or pin oaks.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: They usually fall first, so that's going to be in October.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: And man, when you start finding nose and you walk
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: up under that tree and you see all that deer
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: sign and this fresh signed old sign, you know, that's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that's when you get excited. Put that stand up around it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Whether it be per simmon, per simmon is usually fall
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: early October. The honey locusts usually fall in October. Um.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: We have another specie of oak trees here um well,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I call them like a swamp chestnut or a nut
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: all or a stripe it oak. It's a bigger acron
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: if they usually don't fall to November, December even carry
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: on into January. So it's it's basically the same. It's
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: just in some of our big forest. You know, you
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: have you in places you have so many acrons that
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to key in on any one tree
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: because there might be a hundred of them at a bottom.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Is it would it be accurate to say that a
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: lot of the stuff you guys are hunting down there
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: is like big timber, like big blocks. There is not
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: as much edge as maybe you'd see in the egg
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: land in Iowa or something. Is that right? Not really
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you get in the Mississippi delta um there. So it's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of big just thousands and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: thousands of acres of agriculture ground with ditch roads, with
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: a little wood lots um. A lot of farmers have
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: taken m their marginal ground farm ground and put it
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: into c RP or w RP, which is excellent habitat. Yeah,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sure y'all have some of that too, and you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: know some of the best hunting places in Mississippi or
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: or w RP or CRP places because when they plant
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that stuff like we just talked about, you have all
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: that natural stuff you stick. It holds the deer's plenty
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of food and um, it gives him a place to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to get old yeahs from the finest spots. Yeah, I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: can't beat that that CRP in those grasses and everything,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that beautiful, beautiful habitat. Deers seemed to just dive right
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: in and kind of do your comment backing up to
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: what we talked about about like the teen acre blocks.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Really and truly that's all that that that that I'm
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: trying to create. As I explained that, trying to create
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: that CRP or w RP type scenario just inside a
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: woodlock and keep it, you know, keep it at it's
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: primed life cycle for all the plants. Yeah, do you
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: do you have when you're working on something like that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: on your own property or on a property you're helping
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: someone out with um and you're making these these little
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: betting area type of things. Do you have like a
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: minimum size? You always trying to make sure they at
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: least are this big? Or can someone go in there
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and you know, they've got the chainsaws all they have,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and half a day and they get a half acre
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: or something? Is that is that worthwhile in your opinion?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Or absolutely? And we've done it that way too. I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: mean it's not always we have big equipment and stuff
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to do that or the opportunities to do it. But
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: she can go in there with a chainsaw and a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: couple of guys with chainsaws can make a knock a
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: really good dent in some bid and habitat in a day.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: You know, if you can go in there and cut stuff.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: And another popular way it's just not is they call
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: it hacking squirt, where you take a hatchet and you
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: go to your local forestry store and you can get
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: a chemical that you can actually spray, you know, cut
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the bar, spray it and they will kill that, you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to kill that tree and stop it from shading. UM.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: There's several ways to do it, but yeah, it half acre,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: one acre, a quarter acre. Any cover is better than none. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, yeah, it seems like to your point,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a tool like a chainsaw or the hacking squirt method
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: or something. It's it's so much easier than most people
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: think as far as the way you can transform an area.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: You can take an area that's wide open timber and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: turn it into just a white tail mecca by adding
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that cover. UM. And I know what one popular thing
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: is called hinge cutting. I'm sure you're familiar with that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of information about hinge cutting out there,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and I think it's a I think it's a wonderful
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a portion of habitat to create um as well,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and even if you have a small place, it's I
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: just can't stress enough how pointant is to give those
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: deer cover you know, don't write a TV stew it,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: don't walk through it. Um. I have places at once.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: We we plan our food plots. That's the last time
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a gas vehicle is allowed in that section. H You know,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: you either walk in the or use electric. We don't,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: we just we don't. We want to keep two disturbance
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: at a minimum at all costs after after the food
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: plots of planet, you know, in the following winter. So
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: so speaking of um, you know, making these betting areas.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Back to that side of things. I heard you mentioned
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: a couple of times you use the word sanctuary. Um,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: what's your take on these sanctuary areas When you say sanctuary,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: is that a place that you will never go in,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: or is that a place that maybe you'll hunt a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: few times? Or how how seriously do you take this
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: quote unquote sanctuary. Well, I wouldn't say I would never
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: hunt there. Um. I would not hunt there until the
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: right time of year. Um, And and just keep it
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and then just keeping it a place where you don't
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: disturb them. And then if I did hunt there, it
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: would just be on the fringes and it would just
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: have to be the ideal conditions far as the winds concerned. Um,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it's just you know, those deer will come and go
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: from there if if they're not they're not spooked and
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: they're comfortable. But once you start spooking them, even the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: old dogs, I mean, it's just they get they they
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: live there. We're just mstrs there most of the time.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: But that's their home, and you gotta I mean it
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: might sound silly, but I treated as at home and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: try to respect that. So the more comfortable they are,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the more fun we're gonna have, you know, watching the show. Yeah,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: if you understand me, Yeah, yeah, definitely. What when you're
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: when you're going into your hunts and this is a
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and Mealy, this is like an incredibly high level question.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: There's a thousand ways you can go this, um, but
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you just talked about some of the things you're thinking
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: about as far as trying to keep these deer um
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: as unpressured as possible, make them feel comfortable, respecting their home. Um,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: what other things are you doing to do to accomplish that?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So what are some of the ways that you keep
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: pressure low? What are some of the ways that you
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: minimize your impact when you're going into hunt or manage
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a property. Um. I think it's obviously a consistent thing
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: between most anyone that has consistent success killing mature bucks
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: is the fact that they are able to somehow create
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: a situation where these deer don't realize that they're being hunted,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: or at least not as much as they are. Um,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: how do you go about trying to do that yourself? Well,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of it goes back to if you can
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: set up your place that you know, you can get
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: into too, stands, you can get out of stands. Um,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know that's your biggest impact is your movement obviously
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: coming to and front places, and you know, you just
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: have to hunt smartists. Really it's really not that hard,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: but you gotta have some some patients and be discipline
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: enough to wear Hey man, I got this a country
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: they are killing it. I got trail camp pictures of
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: a shooter there, but the winds marginal. You know, if
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I if I can only hunt my best spot one time,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: because that's all the conditions will allow me, that's all
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hut if you try to, if you and
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I know, we got you know ozonic Actually they worked great.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Sin control works great, but still, um, if you use
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: that with that discipline of of of hunting your spots
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: when only there your conditions allow it, I think I
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: think you'll be much more successful. Yeah each time. I
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: mean that, that's just that discipline part. It's hard to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: when you got those trail cameras and you got two
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: or three nice bucks or shooter bucks, and that's all
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you can think about is sitting in that tree stand man.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: You want to kind of push the envelope sometimes, but
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I don't. I never do. Yeah. Yeah, So something I'd
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: like to talk to all our different guests about is
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: how they go about making the decision when to strike.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: So you've got this honey hoole that you thinks can
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: be great, But to your point, you don't want to
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: push the envelope too much. You don't want to go
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: too often, you don't want to go too early. Um,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: what are the factors that help you decide that, yes,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: today's the day I need to go? And is it?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Is it a weather factor, is it timing factor, combination
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: of a whole bunch of stuff. I would love to
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: hear about that for you. But typically typically it's going
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to be weather. You know, when you when when you
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: got high pressure and you have fronts coming down, you
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: have some consistent winds a lot of time unless they're
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: right when they first here and it's it's boring too
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: hard than they kind of swirl. But here for us,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: if we had those low pressure days when it's not
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: much wind blowing and it's warm and humid, and we
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: got you know, we got those that suddenly flow coming
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: coming in, those are the worst days. Now when you
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: got those cool days and you walk upside and it's
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: cool and the limbs crisp, and man, that that's that's
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: when I get excited because if you think about it,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the days that we hunt, that's kind of yucky. You
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: don't see many of deer those days. But the days
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that we hunt when it's nice and it feels good,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: that's when we see most of the deer. In my opinion, um,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: and so that's just just let the weather dictated. That's
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: that's how I feel. Is it's so important to make
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: your decisions on on on wind to go. You know,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: don't don't waste a good spot on a bad day weatherwise.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Do you do you give the moon any attention at
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: all to care at all about that? You know? I do,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: because definitely you see some some changes in movement with
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the moon, but you know, hey, hunt season short, so
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about the weather and the and the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and you know, being able to get to my spot
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: without being detected and leave my spot and I am
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the moon because they still out there. They're gonna move anytime.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: But if you've got good weather and full moon, I
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: think that's still I think that's still a fun day
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: versus not going. Yeah. Yeah, now I wouldn't take my
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: vacation if had a week of vacation, I wouldn't take
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: it during full moon in November. I can tell you
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: that because that can be a real slow down in
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the South because I ruts in December here where the
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Midwest is mostly November stuff. Yeah, can you can you
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: walk us through that a little bit? Because everyone I've
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: ever talked to hunts down in the South has got
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: a different take on how the rut operates down there.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: When it's really the best time to focus on what's world,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: What are you seeing where you hunt? As far as
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the timing of the rut, as far as how you
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: approach it is that is different at all than what
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you might do in Illinois or Kansas or something of
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: how you hunted, even not really, um I rut here.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Our peak breeding days where I hunt are the the Twente.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: And the way I know that is because we've done
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: health checks with them with the state on several occasions.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And what they do. They shoot those, they shoot those
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and they do tests on them, and they in February
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: or early March, and they then they can count back
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: from the you know, from the fetus back in the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: exact day that though was bread. So that's how I
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: got those. That's you know, that's accurate information there. So
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: but you can, I mean, you can sense your clock on.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I mean some years it's it's it's more intent. Some
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: years it's softer. And now I think whether they plays
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of role than that here in Mississippi
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: because you know, if it's sixty or seventy degrees and um,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: those deer got their coats on. It's you know, they
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: get hot. It's I think it suppresses the movement during
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: the day and and and they get a little more
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: active at night just because of the the weather. So
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and I know you've had hot days probably
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: in your part of the world in November killer during
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the rut. Yeah, it's just just they just don't do nothing.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I've had my best luck hunting water holes
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: in the Midwest when it's hot during the rut, because
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: you know, the deer just gets so heated up. Yeah, chasing,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: how is there anything one of the things I feel like,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: you know, when I traveled out of state and I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: had to Illinois or Iowa, one of those states where
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: there's just a high number of mature bucks, not quite
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: as much hunting pressure. There's certain things that I can
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: do during the rut that I would never do in Michigan,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: where there's not as many mature bucks, was a lot
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: more hunters. Um, so I'll be much more aggressive. I'll
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: use decoys, I'll do a lot of rattling and calling,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: different things like that. Um. What's that like in Mississippi
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: or Arkansas? Can you be aggressive with those types of
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: tactics to those things and not work as well down there? Um?
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: What's your take there? Um? I think decoys, I mean,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: decoys work here in the right conditions. We've done it,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: but they don't. The deer don't seem to. I don't
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: know if it's just more it's just more of them. Um,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: And so they don't the a lot of times about
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: the doe ratios. They're not perfect here because because I
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I density and it's like the beer not as aggressive
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: as they are in the Midwest. Um by Colling, I've
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: had great success calling here, you know, during during the
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: time of year, and I've told everybody you you have
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: a kin call and a grunt call, and if it
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: only works twice a year, it's worth every effort to
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: top that thing and track because it doesn't spook them.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: So I want to have those tools in my in
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: my my vest every every day during the pre rut,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: post rut and rut time. Yes, So for you done there,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: what's that time frame when you would use that stuff? Um,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: you start in early December and um you'll start getting
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: some response uh the whole month and even even later
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: in the year, because you know, once once that process
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: starts and you have that triple rut later on in January,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it can it can be effective. And I think it's
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: more important where you call from than than even when
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you call, because if you're if you're in his We've
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: talked about this, no matter what we're trying to call
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: where this turkey's elk or deer if you're in a
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: spot and you're in big open woods and you call
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: on the bucks a hundred yards and he looks and
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: he can see where that sounds coming from. And then
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, but he's looking at this clear slate with
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: nothing standing there that that typically doesn't work good. But
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: if you're in a and some thick stuff or by
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: a top or on a ridge, and that deer has
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: he he knows where that sounds coming from, but he
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: has to come over to investigate, to see to see it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just not open. That's that's your best
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: scenarios is um is where you go from? Now that
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: makes sense? Can he walks through the actual call sequences
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: or or things like that, like let's say you see
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: a buck and he's off in the distance. Can you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: can you walk us through what kind of calls you
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: would use first, what you would when you would stop calling,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: or when you would start calling again, or when would
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you switch to something else? I'd I'd love to hear
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: like your process there? Got you? Yeah? Okay, So one
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: thing we noticed many many years ago is if a
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: deer can hear a can call, and if anybody listens,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: not for me with a can call this. We call
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: it the can. You know Primos makes it's just a
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: little bleak can and makes a little like a sound
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: of a doe bleating. But when nose deer in the
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: seeking looking phase, did they hear that sound? Godly? They
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: come so many times, and but it's not a loud sound.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: And you know, fifteen years ago, before we had the
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: buck roll, you had to have a grunt call. If
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you tried to do it loud, it would kind of
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: sound like a duck. So that's where we sit out
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: because figure out how can we make a grunt call
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: us loud so to to be more detailed. So you
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: see one at a hundred a hundred fifty yards, he's
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: not going to hear that can if he's walking and leaves,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and even if he's not, he might not hear because
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it's a real soft Sam. But if you if you
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: can grunt at him and get his attention, and then
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: you follow that grunt with that can a time or two,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: then in his mind he thinks that's a book and
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: a dot or book chasing a doe and she's getting
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: close to being receptive. That's making that Sam, and man
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: do they do that? If you can create that scenario
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: for a deer that's a hundred yards from you and
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: get him to hear and look your way. Many they
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: come so many times looking Now, what if you do that?
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: You do? You do your grunt gets his attention, do
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: a couple of times in the can call and he
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: is not coming in though he's still standing there looking around,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: but he hasn't committed. Do you keep going or do
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you stop calling off for a ways? What happens next
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: in that scenario? No, I stopped. I stop and just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: give him some time to watch and watch his mannerisms,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: watch his behavior, and I might you know, if he's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: looking I don't want to keep calling that him. Let
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: it let him kind of let let his curiosity start
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: working now. If he doesn't seem really interested, I might
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: do he he knows you there at that point, and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: then I might follow it up with a can a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: couple on another can sound and maybe a grunt um.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't work all the time. And if it's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: not working, my last resort will be with a set
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: of rattle horns, just a real quick like two bucks
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: fighting over a dope um to try to get his attention.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: And and and like I said, sometimes you can try
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: all that and if if he's not an aggressive dear,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: then you know, I don't think it always work. And
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you've got something deer that are aggressive that we'll run
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: towards you every time they hear that. I know some
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: people before calling they think about the wind direction, because
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: sometimes these bucks will will hear a call, but then
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: want to circle down wind of that sound to kind
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: of confirm whether or not it is what it thinks
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: it is. Is that something you worry about it? Or
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: have you seen that at all? Due factor that in
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: at all? Not? Not really, because I'm I'm hunting my
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: spot based on the scouting, the trail camera information where
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I think to do are coming from and going to,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and so I guess I never go on a spot
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: just to call, and if I do, it might be
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: midday with rattling horn on the edge of like I said,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I cut over or sanctuary type place to try to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: call him out of that. But you're all right there,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to circle down wind, but um, I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: just gosh, I'm a I'm already I think I have
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: my area figured out when why? So you know, I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: just go with it at that point gotcha. Now do
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you ever It sounds like maybe you do, because you
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: just mentioned a scenario where I imagine you would do this,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: But do you ever blind call just just heading there?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: And mhm? And with that same scenario, because I like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: to hunt thick stuff where I can't see hundred and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: two hundred yards a lot of times, and so I'll
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: do a grunt and maybe a couple of grunts and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: then one bleak um just you know, maybe every thirty
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: minutes or forty five minutes, I'll do that. But if
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: deer close to you, that's what people need to remember.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: If the deer's close to you, say at fifty yards,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: and he can key in on you, well that call
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: is coming from you know. That's a tough one day.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to chance it because that might be
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: the only opportunity to get him ken yards closer. But man,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of times I don't hang them up to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Do you do anything differently when you're calling in Mississippi
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: versus if you're hunting in Iowa or some states like that,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: same same thing, same exacting, same scenario, no matter where.
• 1:02:47
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• 1:03:27
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  Speaker 1: S Something kind of jumping to a different topic than now. Um.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I saw a video of yours you were in and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: you were talking about how some your absolute favorite places
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: to hunt our river bottoms. You love hunting the river bottoms.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I think you mentioned a property it was like along
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: the Mississippi River those types of places, is um, can
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: you talk about what makes that kind of scenario unique
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: and then how you hunt that. You know, we're hunting
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: river bottoms and it's it's really not different than anything, um,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: any other places. It is flat and so terrain. There's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: not a lot of terrain change, is not a lot
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: of funnels unless you have slums or some oxbow type
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: lakes that you can catch the deer on. Um. I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: guess why I like the river bottom so much, is
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just where it is. It's two sounds
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: as the smells. Um. You know, the river bottoms can
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: be tough. I mean when the Mississippi River is up,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: it's mean. But if you weigh out the pros and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: cons of having to deal with floodwater mainly in the springtime,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you know, the benefits of that are so good where
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to deal with the high water half the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: year to reap the benefits of the falling winter that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that it creates. Um. But as far as being there,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's just a terrain. It's just
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a place I enjoy being yea. Um. If you're really nothing,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: not much else I can say other than it's just
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: just one of my favorite places to be. Yeah. Do
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: you ever use rivers and water like that to access locations?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Is that a part of of how you get in
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: and out of places. Ever, Um, it depends when the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: when the Mississippi River is low. We have a lot
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: of Mississippi River fronting, so when the river is low,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: that's really not you know, we don't really have that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: option to do that when the river seth the river
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: gets somewhat high in in the wintertime. UM, I love
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: to have my boat, and yes, we use that the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: access places a lot. It's a great way to get
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: in and out. Um. You know, once that water starts
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: coming up, then then we start having those funnel situations
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: that that we don't have the rest of the year
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna follow that edge. And um man has
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: some fun hunt when when the water gets up, because
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you can it makes them easier to hunt. Not only
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: does it put them on the higher points, but it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: also creates more places for you to ambush the round
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: water or cross and shallow spots or um that. But
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: but yeah, boat hunting is a is a great way
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, I imagine that something that folks
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: could kind of use that kind of idea even when
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: hunting maybe public land or big timber land where maybe
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: there's not these natural funnels like you might see between
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: a couple of big corn fields a little pinch of
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: timber between. That's kind of like your prototypical pinch point
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that everyone shows on, you know, on the outdoor channel
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: or something. But would you say, there's a lot of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: opportunities like this where maybe there's swampy ground and a
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: high point in between, or little points that extend out
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: into water. Um are those kinds of things that people
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: could key in on, maybe in scenarios where they don't
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: have the agg field easy stuff. Yeah, yeah, or you
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: could create that if you're in a situation. You know,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: that just comes down to some good old scout and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: foot time finding places like that in river entry and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: flat flat ground. But a lot of times if you
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: can create a corridor, so if you cut a block
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: a timber, say it can be five a because it
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: can be ten acres or whatever, and I'll go in
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: there and flag a corridor and leaves a corridor right
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: through the middle of it where they don't cut a tree.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: And that serves two things. It's an access point to
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: get in and out of your stand, and it also
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: gives you that edge effect because you know those dear
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: love to walk those edges. And scrape and rub and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: and the deer going to travel those easy places as
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: long as they're comfortable there, you know they're going to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: walk out of that thick stuff and use that corridor
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: order to move up and down as well as if
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: you've got some acrontries in there. It just serves as
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: a perfect place for the morning or egon to move
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: because there it's within there sanctuary area, but it's open
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: and they can travel to and from just like we can.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: It gives us access point that's easy to get in
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and out. That that tracking with me on that. Yeah,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: they're like that path of least resistance and they can
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: get it right right and and something else you can
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: do is uh will Primos and I did did this
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: a lot. We we call it a sneaky roads. So
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you get you get a clear cut or you get
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: a section that's thick. It can anybody can do this.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: You don't have to create if they stick, but go
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: in there and just cut you a trail through that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: thick stuff. And we we we I would access it
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: one time a year with a six ft bush halk
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: and make one pass through there and never go in
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: there again. And you cannot and what you're doing is
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: you're making your own deer trail and you're making those
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: deer come out where you want them to and it.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: But don't ever go in there, you know, unless unless
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you shoot one and you track him in there. But
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: if you if you'll do that, you'd be surprised how
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: many deer come out of that thick stuff, come out
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: right in your food plot, come out right by your
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: your your bottom, or your where you have oak trees.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just you can make that scenario wherever
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: your spot is, and that can be in any part
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: of the country. But just create a little deer trail,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: but you gotta stay out of it. You can't go
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: in there for nothing. Yeah, yeah, creating your own little
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: funnels almost, that's what it's doing. Yeah. You just give
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: them a place to walk easy. And it's not a
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: big you know, it's not a it's a bigger than
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: the normal deer tral obviously, but it's just that they're
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: comfortable using its path of least resistance and they use
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: it so much. Are there any other little things you
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: do like that on a property to to manipulate or
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: influence movement a little bit? I mean, other than we
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: talked about making big betting areas, we talked about making
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: food plots. But are there any of these smaller tweaks
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: that you that you add that can just kind of
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: give your properties a little bit more of an edge
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: for you? Um, you know that's really good. That's that's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: really about. What we talked about is is the main
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: nuts and boats of it, But that the cover portion
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: is my focus. I know focuses on food, food, food,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: and it is extremely important. But if you got cover
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: cover first, in my mind, food second, you can create
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: the cover and the places to for them to be.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: It just can't be beaten. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: wanna I want to reframe a little bit of the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: conversation as we go for I'm kind of curious about
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: some specific examples, um, from a hunting standpoint, or maybe
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: maybe it could be habitat. But do you have you know,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: if you could look back at last season maybe or
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: the season before, you maybe want to pick a couple
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: a couple of successful hunts where you kill the mature buck.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe um that you remember, well, could you walk us
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: through a couple of those where Okay, I killed buck
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: X it was in this scenario and and this is
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: why it worked. Like if you could point to one
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: or two key things for each of those successful hunts,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: would be really interested to hear how that success came
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: about and what you think you could attribute it to.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Do you have a couple of examples like that you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: could share with us, Yeah, I think I have one
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: really really good one. So two years ago I found
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: this not at all or striped oak as we call
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: them not all tree. This is at cotton Mouth, at
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: that promost place, and I actually shot a dough and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I was trailing that dough and I found this tree
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: had gnawed. It was there and it was on the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: edge of a slough and they were absolutely just killing it.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: So I got a slew here, I got the tree,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: you know, fifteen yards off the sloop. But the problem
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: is there was no no places to put a tree standing,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to be able to I had to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: hunt on the north wind, up against the water. So
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: we went in there in October and kind of tried
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: to figure it out. We you know, we didn't want
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: to go in there later in the year, and they
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: really got to use it because the tree wasn't dropping in.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: So we took a ground blind a double ground blind
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: and set it up in there in October and we
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: never went back in there until December. And we snuck
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: in one mid one day across the water. It's about needy,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: just got hit boots on and and and saw the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: sign there was a blinds there already. So I think
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: what was key to this working was we put the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: blind in there, you know, early, so when the when
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the acron started following, the deer started coming to feed
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: on that acron, try the blind was there, and of
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: course we had brushed in them. And and so we
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: waited till the perfect conditions got in there. I think
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: it was like the first week of January maybe, and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: we Lake Pickle and I he was running the camera
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: that day, and we eased in there across that water,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: gotten that blind, and we weren't there thirty minutes. And
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: this is kind of one of those sanctuary places. Were
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: on the edge of it and had a ten point
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: come out. I shot it's like a hundred forty in
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: the year um, eighteen yards. He never even looked at that, didn't.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was so comfortable in that spot. So
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I say that give you another scenario. We set that up,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: you know, two or three months before we knew we
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: were going to hunt it. This goes back with food
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: plots too. If you'll put a a blind on the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: food plot the same day you plan it, or just
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: before it greens up, I mean, they never spook from
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: it because you know they come out there, they expect
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: to change, it's different, and you something went on there.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: But when it starts greening up and they come out
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: there to feed and and your blinds already there, you're
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: staying or whatever, then they don't think twice about it.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: But if you come put a blind in there, say
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: a month after they've been feeding there, and if you
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: don't do an excellent job brushing it in and hiding it,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: they're gonna a lot of times you'll pick it out
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and it might take them a while to get back
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: comfortable there. So, um, I guess the important my point
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: is is is really you know, think ahead on your
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: spots and how you set them up, and you know
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: those those blinds are not extremely expensive. And if you
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: if you set two or three am up in places
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: you know you're gonna use later in the year, whether
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: be on a food plotter on an a country or whatever,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: a country, whatever, they're feeding on apple tree, like you
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, once that blinds there from from day one
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: when they start feeding there. I think you're golden. Yeah.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think that that access route helped you out too,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: because it sounds like you came through the water, so
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: you probably avoided walking through or near that best cover?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Was that something that was pretty cy to that as well,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: because if you think about it, you're walking into place
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: and you jump a deer. I mean that can really
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: be a domino effect in a lot of weights. One
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: deer gets up another deer, another deer gets up another deer.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Before you know it, you know, you just disrupted the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: whole thing, um and you put them on alert, and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: the chances are they're not coming back that way that afternoon.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: So you definitely you know you're you're you're you're route
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: that you get to your stand. You wanted to be
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: as at least two creasy as possible. Yeah, you mentioned
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you you were in there walking around you you spotted
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: this this tree, this oak tree. Um you're scouting on
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: assuming in some way could you could I guess one
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: of my trys say here, when you scout a new
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: property or maybe even the property found in the past,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: but you're there again. Um, is there anything you're doing
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: or anything you're looking for specifically that's unique compared to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: like the cookie cutter scout scouting that we hear about
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: and most people walk, they look for robs, to look
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: for scrapes, they look for sign. Um, Is there anything
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: more than that that you're focusing on our unique that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: um that you've picked up over the years is something
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: important to key in on. Yes, And and then we'll
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: go back to pretty much I'm a broken record on
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: this cover cover cover because if I find the cover,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna find the deer. Then I can find where
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: they go from there. Um. I mean, I might find
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: the biggest, prettiest oak tree in the woods that's got
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: a ton of deer sign and put a camera on it,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: and you'd be like, man, they're killing this tree. But
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: most of us at night, chances are you know that
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: tree is a is a long way from where those
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: deer are living. And Um, so I want to find
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: where I want to find their their home per first.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Once I figure that out, it kind of falls into
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: place the trails and and that kind of thing. Yeah,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: So if you find a great patch of cover you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: identify Okay, yeah, this is this is a home base
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: for for a dough family group or some bucks or something.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: What do you do from that point? Do you just identify, okay,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: here's covering you market mental in your in your head,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: or do you then dive in there and look for
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: specific beds or are you trying to identify each trail
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: that comes out of there, or are you planning stand
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: locations around the edges. I'm just kind of curious where
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: your head goes after that point. Yes, trails and ages.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Never would I go in there, but you know, not
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: not not if I'm just traveling to a new place now,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: maybe in February or March. I would love to go
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: in there after the season and figure out what's going
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: on for the next year. But if it's say October
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: and not, man, this is just a lot of deer
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: sign here. I want to figure out that trails and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to stalk hunting the edges, you know,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: and and and not be too aggressive to start with.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: You know, if if a guy only has two days
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: a week to hunt, you know, he may he may
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: need to be a little more aggressive because he just
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: don't have the time. Um, but if he's got a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: week to hunt or two weeks to hunt, you know,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: spend a day or two on the edges and try
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on and then then get
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: aggressive if if your time allows for that. Yeah, So
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: walk me through that kind of process to let's say,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: because you know, it seems like you travel quite a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: bit to hunt and when you start a new property,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: you kind of gave us a very high level there
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: of how maybe starting the edge and work your way in.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: But could you give us a little more detail of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: what you might what you're hunting approach might be if
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: you if you showed up on a new property, you've
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: got one week, let's say you've got seven days to
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: hunt it. Um, could you walk us through a hypothetical
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: of how you might start and then how that might
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: evolve through that seven day period. M hm, Well, I
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: would I drive through it obviously first. And of course,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: with all the apping products that are out there today,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: you know you can do so much before you ever
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: even get to that property. You can almost know that
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: property before you you even get there to hunt. Um,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: and I try to identify a couple of places that
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: I think may be good for him, and may be
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: good for winds um and and try to take it easy.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: And another thing I don't like to do is hunt
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: in the bottom. I like to try to stay on
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: top just because of the wind. Um. I've had so
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: many tough hunts where when you're down low, that wind
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: just swirls so bad. But if you're on top of
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: the ridge, it usually stays pretty consistent. Um. And the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: way I explain this to people, if you think about
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: a rock in a stream, so that water flowing down
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: that stream and it goes over that rock, what does
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: it do on the back side. It's just twisting and twirling.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: That's the same thing the wind does when it comes
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: over a ridge, and it just twists over that ridge,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and it's just it's it's real hard to get consistent
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: wind in a in a bottom. And I experienced that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: much more in your part of the world and in
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: the Midwest, and I half here in the South, but
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: there is some places in the South that that you've
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: got to be careful too. Um. So I keep that
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: in mind. Looking for high ridges, I'm looking for cover.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, many times you can just look at
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the trails and figure out what's going on and if
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: you obviously, if you're hunting the rood, I'm looking for
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: the most number of those and the most looking for
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the highest concentration of deer on that that property. And
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: that's where I want to key in on, because if
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: you only have seven days to hunt, you mean you
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: you really don't have a lot of time to put
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: trail cameras out and try to find a I told
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: you Buck that you would if you were hunting this
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: place all year. So yeah, just just think about the wind,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: the cover, and the highest concentration of deer would be
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: my first focus. Okay, and you mentioned you mentioned cameras
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: and it's snarily that you might not have as much time. Um,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: but what's your your typical camera process. Do you use
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: those to identify, you know, an inventory of deer in
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the area, or you big on actually using the try
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: to pattern deer in some way or what's what's the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: way you use that tool. I think it's a combination
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: of both. Um. You know, we're getting a deer using
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: this area in daylight? Is there a mature deer here?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Is he in daylight? Because I you put five cameras
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: out most of the time, you're you're gonna have one
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: or two two bucks. You're like, man, them deer coming
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: out here in daylight. In these other spots, I'm not
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: getting any pictures except you know, in the dark. And
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that again refers back to
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: where you're getting close to their their home turf, and
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: and if I can get as close to where they're
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: where they're living without disturbing them, I think you're I
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: think I think your money ahead every time because if
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: they move late in the evenings, you know, I want
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: to be as close as I can be to them
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: without intruding on them because and they might not move
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: to that destination field that's a half mile from where
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: they sleep or a quarter mile from where they sleep,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: and not get into a dock. So if I can
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: get as close to that as possible, if I can
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: identify where that deer is in the daylight, then then
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: that's where I want to try to beat. Yeah, um
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: to catch that day like movement during the rut, they
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: might be on their feet all day. I'm kind of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: referring to earlier season or or or a little pre
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  Speaker 1: rut stuff. Act. Yeah, what kind of places do you
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: like to set your cameras up on to to learn
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  Speaker 1: some of the stuff. You know. It just just depends. Um.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Usually a food source is a good source. The edge
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: of a field, catching those deer, and if you can
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: create those little sneaky roads I mentioned earlier, or those
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: corridors um, or you do have a funnel at the
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: end of the lake where they're crossing, at the end
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: of a slough, um a natural corridor. I mean, I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: try to just put them in places like that, just
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  Speaker 1: just where I think you know, where do your movie
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  Speaker 1: for frequent Yeah, yeah, many food, I guess is what
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  Speaker 1: we all focus on. So I feel like, uh, I
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: feel like we need to we need to wrap this
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  Speaker 1: one up here in a little bit. I don't want
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: to keep you too long, bread, but I've got I've
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  Speaker 1: got a couple more questions here, um that are a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: little bit a little bit different direction. But if if
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  Speaker 1: you were to have, like your best hunting buddies sit
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: down here with us. If if you and your best
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: hunting buddies and we're all sitting down here talking about
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: talking about dear if I were to ask them what
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: it is that Brad does best or what makes Brad
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: a successful deer hunter, if you had to guess what
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: your best hunting buddies would say about you? What do
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: you think they would point a finger at. What do
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: you think they would point to? Is your kind of
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: unique superpower or whatever might be that that makes it
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: work for you. Oh, that's a good question. I'm not
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: good at talking about myself. This is your buddies that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: your bodies are talking about. I don't know if my
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: buddy that they would probably slay stuff. And I couldn't
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: say right, right, buddy, to do right? You know, buddy,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: you can say anything to your buddy and uh yeah,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: we'll give you each other hard time. But I guess
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  Speaker 1: I guess probably one one thing that that that I'm
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: probably most proud of is just being able to anticipate anticipation.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Like we've been talking about create that spot scouts spent
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: plenty of times scouting after the season February March, i'
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: musically only one scout I placed him. Everybody else is
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: tired to hunting. That's when I find out probably the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: most information that I stroll away for the next year. Um,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: But I think anticipating, being able to figure out and
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: be patient about it is is I think one thing
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: that that helps me the most that seems to be.
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  Speaker 1: If there's any one thing I could point to that
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: across the people I've talked to, you know, talk to
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: some of the most of the best deer hunters across
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: the entire country over the last four years. Almost every
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: one of them can point to that is a key
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: thing they focus on is scouting, scouting, scouting, scouting, really
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: focusing on learning your property. Learning is dear. Um, a
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: lot of people prioritize scouting over actually hunting in many cases. Um,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: so that that that doesn't surprise me. That's something that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: you do well. Now. One one model I have that
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I that I live by hunting west is I'd rather
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: spend a little time in a good place and a
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: lot of time in a bad place. Yeah, and I
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: always know there's a better place. Now. I might not
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: be able to go find it this hunting season, but
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure it out after the season, and I'm
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be ready for that the next year. Yeah. Um,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: that's so. So you you gotta be able to do
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: that and ain't work for everybody based on their time
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: and what they do, And you might have to get
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: a little more aggressive, but man, if you can, but hey,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: how much fun is it too. That's what I like
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: about deer so much, is it's turned into a year
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: round i'most say, year around sports, and you know, and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: that's that's why I think that's where all of us
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: deer hunters sharing common is is it is a year
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: around sport. We're thinking about we're finding sheds for scouting
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: in February, March, um, you know, getting our summer stuff
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: ready in May and June, and they start to put
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: cameras at July. Seeing how biggie books are gonna be
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: this year. Who doesn't love that the first book pictures
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: of the year. I mean, Christmas morning right there. It is.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: We're like a bunch of kids, and you know, it's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just a little and I'm like, I said,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to my Camp's been next week there on
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: the doza um doing some plots that I figured out
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: last winter that I'm you know, I had to wait
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: until I could create them to do some changing of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: them now. And then we got vetch planeted in soybeans
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: and we got cameras out on some or lick. So yeah,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I got a fun week. It's just like it's much
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: fun if like open a week for me. Yeah, in
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: the process the projects and the process or yeah, man,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: who we load. And I think some of the best
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: hunters I know that. You mean, they've never even ever
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: seen him on TV, None of us have because they
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: just they are just good, hard working love the hunt
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: in their private but their biggest thing is they spend
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: the time figuring stuff out. Yeah. Yeah, they send way
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: more time feeding out where that tree is and they
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: you're just sitting in the tree. Now, what about this?
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: If we're in the same room with your buddies again,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: And I asked them, what does Brad do that you
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: think is just crazy? If there's something you do that's
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: that everyone else thinks is bizarre, but you you say, no,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: I mean this works, or I'm going to do this
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: every year because I just have seen it work, or
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: something like that. But everyone else thinks you're kind of
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: weird because you do it. Is there anything like that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: you can think of that they would that they'd call out, Yeah,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I don't hunt mornings at all except during the rut
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: as it explain that because well and what I what
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: I think I figured out, what I believe is, you know,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: you find all these good places, well, when you walk
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: in there, the deer will be mostly on their feet
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: at night, the mature deer. And you walk in there
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: to that spot, so you got to say country or
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: whatever you're hunting, or this food plots you created, you
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: walk in and you spooked him there out of there, Well,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: who knows where they're going to end up bed. They
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: might they might end up two or three d yards
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: further away from this spot then they they only would Well,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna get that tool that afternoon to adult.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: And you I feel like a lot of times I'm
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: changing my afternoon, my afternoon chances if I hunt morens
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: in some good places because the risk of spook and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: stuff is so much better getting there before daylight or
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: right at daylight than it is, you know, it to
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: an afternoon when everybody's sleep and comfortable. So I just
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I just stay at the woods in the morning until
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: until rout time. Yeah, yeah, because and everything changes in Yeah,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen a similar thing too early season
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: in late season, just as it seems like those morning
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: hunts are low chances of success, high chances of risk
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: of of screwing things up, while those afternoon hunts are
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: low chance of of spooking things when you go in there,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: but high chances for an opportunity, So the odds are
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: much more in your favor for those evening hunts. And
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: if you don't screw it up in the morning, it's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: that much better, yea. So I just take it. I'll
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: take it easy and shoot my bow, or go look
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: at a new place, or go squirrel hunting if this
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: early season. I mean, I enjoy squirrel hunting as much
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: as anything. And you know, um just still have plenty
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: to do in the outdoors, and I just man, I'm careful, careful,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: careful with my good spots. Yeah, yeah, final question, and
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: you kind of you already answer this a little bit,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: so you feel free to go back on your first
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: answer or or give me something different. But you've spent
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: time around a lot of great deer hunters, some of
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: the very best out there, whether it be the premost
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: crew or other folks with white tailed properties, or just
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: friends of ours or friends of yours that we've never
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: heard of. But if you were to look at all
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: the very best deer hunters you know, and if you
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: could then circle what they all have in common, is
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: there anything that you could point to as like this
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: is that core common Maybe it's a habit or an
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: attitude or a tactic that that they all seem to
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: have in common. What would that be? Well, you know,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: like we said, anticipation and being able to figure when
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: that deer is going to be um is number one.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Secondly is patience. You know another another thing and I
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: don't do it, um, but I know guys that you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: know they're getting a tree at nine or ten in
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: the morning and stay there the whole day and then
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and they have that. Those are those are the guys
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: I look up to. They have the patients to sit
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: there and I have before when I went again. But
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: it's just not something I enjoyed the camp life. I'd
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: rather hang around with my family and friends and laugh.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Um didn't hunt the afternoon. But but yeah, anticipation and patience,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: but but knowe when when when to spend those when
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: to use those patients. Don't go sit in the spot
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: thinking you might get lucky if if you're you know,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: if you're in that spot in the condition, don't right, Yeah,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: like I said, that goes back to spend spend a
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: little time in a good spot and way better than
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of time in a bad spot. Yeah, that's
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: a that's a great little reminder just to keep in
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: the back of your head during the season. There's a
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: lot of times where it's easy to you know, I
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: think something that I've been guilty of in the past,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of other people have talked
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: about where you you can sometimes get comfortable where all, well,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I've already got to stand here. I don't really want
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: to tear down this stand, or or go grab a
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: new stand hanging up in a new spot, or I
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: don't really want to be kind of inconvenient to have
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: to go walk around to find this new area, or
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: to maybe I saw mature buck moving a couple of
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: times over three yards away. But to your point, just
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: always remind yourself a little bit of time in the
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: best spot, in the right spot is so much more
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: valuable than being comfortable and lazy in the spot that's
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: already set up but not as good. Yeah, and I
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: always have a you know, if you have a ground
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: line and a climbate stand, and obviously we haven't written
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: to hang on, yes, you have those just pretty much
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: not much scenario, Sarah, you can't figure out. But I
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: love a climate stand for what you just said. You know,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: so you got your thoughts set up and based on
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: your scouting efforts, and you were a little bit off,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: a little wrong, and or the deer not where I
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: thought they'd be there Holy yards over there. Well I'll
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: try that if the conditions are right, but I'll take
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: a climber in there, you know, early afternoon, one of
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: too o' clock. Ease in there, climb a tree and
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: see how that goes. But what I also believe that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: I never do is leave a climber in there. We're
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: not because you've been touching it, you've been sitting on it,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: and you might as well just leave your shirt hanging there.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: So I'll always take the climber back off the tree
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: and he's out of it. And you know, I found
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: good spots that way, and then you you just learned
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: year after year where you need to to kind of refocus.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, climbers are good, just don't leave them in
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: there overnight if you're in a hot spot. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: I feel like you see a lot of guys who
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: will just leave them connect to the bottom of the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: tree if they're gonna go back in there. But to
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: your point, it's just a huge scent bomb. Probably you're
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: just sitting there. You might as well just sit there
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: all night. Yeah man, Well, uh, Brett, I've really I've
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: really enjoyed this. I appreciate you taking the time to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: to talk through all these different ideas and and stories
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: and everything. And if people if people want to see
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: what you've got going on with primost or if they
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: want to learn more about what you're doing with the
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: white Tail property is or anything like that, you know,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: where can they find that stuff online? Well, of course
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: the premos. You got the premos dot Com. It's where
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: they you know, where they have all the premo stuff
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: and they we do a lot of stuff on premos
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: on the YouTube. On the YouTube channel they have to
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: as far as tips and tactics and basically a lot
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: of the same stuff all those guys do about what
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: you and I've been discussing today. And then you know
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: far as white Tail Properties goes, if you go to
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: whitetail properties dot com and um go to my page,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: you can see all the listings that that I have there,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: and we have we have a lot of good stuff
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: on with all things to do with land on there too,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: with our land Beat series on people can learn a
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: lot of the same things we've been discussing. They the
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: video team, they're White Til Properties, have created some great
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: short clips on how to do land stuff, like you know,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Hen's cutting and all that management practices. Yeah, yeah, I've
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: been I've been following that video series and they're definitely
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: doing a good job. And same with Premos. I've really
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: enjoyed the YouTube channel that you guys have been putting
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: together there and a lot of quality stuff. So highly
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: recommend the bull checking out both of those. Well, thank you. Well,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: it's um definitely been a fun time vision with you
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: and kind of got me thinking, Man, I'm I'm that
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: much more ready to go check out some of my stuff.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to next week. Yeah, yeah, me too.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: I think. I think as soon as we get off
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: the line here, I'm gonna head out and do some
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: spraying of food plots, hang a couple of cameras and
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: just get right to it. Well nice, nice, well, well,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: good deal. We'll be safe out there, and I hope
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: you have a wonderful and successful fall. Yeah, same to you, Bred,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, And that is it for today's episodes.
• 1:35:37
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• 1:35:53
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• 1:35:56
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• 1:36:00
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• 1:36:03
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• 1:36:06
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• 1:36:09
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