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Israel’s Historical, Irrevocable Right To The Holy Land · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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I want to bring in my guests today, we're going to talk a lot about Israel and biblical
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history and truth, and Scott Lively, pastor, attorney, he's got so much experience that
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it will be helpful to us today as we go through this issue.
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The cult of anti-Zionism will talk about the right of the Jews over at the Holy Land
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and what's been happening there, and we really want to help people in the church understand.
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And also people that just have never been brought up in the church and don't know why there's
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such a battle between Palestine and Israel.
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So we'll talk about that.
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Welcome, pastor, Scott Lively.
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Well, great to be back with you, David.
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I know.
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Well, this is the first time that you've been on this program, so people can see you.
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We used to talk a lot on the radio.
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I saw you, I think it was Dallas, Texas, at a Liberty Pastors conference, it was wonderful.
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I met some amazing men of God, and we're still in touch with today, many of them have
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been guests on this program, and it was good to connect with you, but I want you to share
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a little bit for those that aren't familiar with your ministry.
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A little bit of your history, including your book, The Pink Swastika and your battle with
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the LGBTQ.
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I know you're good at summing it up after all these years, but man, you have been a target
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of the left for probably decades, right?
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I'm probably the, I've been on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate group list longer
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than any other Christian except for Fred Phelps, who was crazy.
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And so that's, that's a badge of honor, yes, but you know, I was an alcoholic in a drug
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addict for 16 years from the age of 12.
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I got saved and healed in prayer in a secular alcohol and drug rehab center by surrendering
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my life to Christ, completely healed and delivered, never had another desire to take drugs
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or drink ever again.
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And because I'd surrendered my life to Christ, he took it and he turned, I used to sleep
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under bridges and begged for money on street corners.
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Today, I'm sitting here, I'm a, I'm an attorney, I'm a pastor of written books.
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I've been to 66 countries involved in ministry.
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And all this is by the grace of God, I've written eight books.
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It's, it's, it's a, he took something, he took what the devil intended for evil and
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he made something worthwhile out of it.
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And I give him glory every day for what he made out of my life.
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He's God, brother.
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Well, I'm, I'm thankful for you as well and what God's done.
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It's amazing.
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If I didn't give the website, it's scott lively dot net scott lively dot net.
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There it is.
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That's one of the stories.
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First stories there were going to be talking about in just a little bit today, but check
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out scott's website.
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So Scott, I think the last time we talked, I think you mentioned, did you go back and update
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one of your books?
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Was it the pink swastika or tell me about that if, if I have that right?
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Well, but my first book was the pink swastika, how authored with Kevin Abrams and Orthodox
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Jewish Holocaust researcher published this in 1995.
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We launched it in San Francisco.
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Wow.
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The annual conference of the, of the, of the national, what was it?
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North.
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Oh, it's the, it's a group, the, they will help people overcome and recover from homosexuality.
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Right, right.
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The downtown San Francisco, it was awesome.
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Dr. Joseph Nicolosi was a tremendous hero of the faith, who really pioneered the regenerative
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therapy, which is now being criminalized all over the country.
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And anyway, that was my first book, and I've written several there since then, but the
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pink swastika is the expose of the homosexual roots of the Nazi party contradicts the common
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wisdom on the topic, which is completely wrong.
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And, and that there were, as Judith Reesman, a famous Jewish conservative quotes in the
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book and her plug for it, that there were far more homosexuals aligned with the Nazis,
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persecuting the, the population and the Jews, and there ever were being persecuted by the
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Nazis.
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And we document all that in, in the book, it's, that, that book has opened so many doors
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for me, all over the world, it's been translated into seven or eight different languages.
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It's, it's, it's, because I wrote it, I have been gotten invitations to incredible adventures,
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a 50 city speaking tour, the former Soviet Union, sponsored by a Russian speaking church
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based in Riga Latvia, all expenses paid, the, I've been on, it's countless, I mean, over
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a thousand radio and television interviews about it, it really launched me, but it also
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put a target on my back.
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I've been persecuted more than just about any other Christian in America, not like people
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in the Middle East, right, who, you know, faced beheadings, but I've gotten the, the sort
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of character assassination equivalent of beheading for many years here and, but persecution
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is the refiner's fire.
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And when you press on through and you fulfill your mission to stand for, for Christ and his
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biblical worldview, then the blessings you receive far, far exceed any of the pain that
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you suffer for standing for righteousness, amen, brother, amen.
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What we talk about this particular article that you wrote, the cult of anti-Zionism, isn't
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it interesting?
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And when it gets your thoughts on those who are either the Black Lives Matter Global
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Network Foundation or the LGBTQ marching for pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas, there's some
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strange bedfellows I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
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They get slaughtered in 30 seconds, right, you know, they got transported in the middle
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of a Hamas camp in, in, in, in Judah there, they would, they would be slaughtered in an
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instant.
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And yet, there they are marching.
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And it all, what it all comes down to is that the, but the entire left has been completely
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transformed by the cultural Marxist agenda in which everything is measured by a presser
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or a press, right, the, the, the, the entire, the entire worldview.
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The, the religion, you know, of secular humanism, which is the religion of Marxism is, it's,
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it's centered on that.
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It's like the most important principle and the most, the operative ideology and philosophy
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and, and, and, and working context for everything that they do and that whoever can claim victim
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status, the most persuasively, they are the ones that the left will always champion, except
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unless you're, unless you're ex gay or you're, you know, there are certain people that don't
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ever, they don't get to qualify as victims no matter what.
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But anybody who is a victim, right, then that gives the left the right, the justification
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to go after the victimizers.
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It's not so much that they want to protect the victims.
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They want to kill, they want to rob kill and destroy anybody that they can paint as an
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oppressor.
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And of course, Israel, the, the tables have turned now on Israel.
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And the, and instead of Israel being perceived as victims, you know, Jews, all the pogroms
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and everything.
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Now the tables have turned the, the, the, the Palestinians, so-called Palestinians have
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been groomed and, and shaped and molded and presented for, for decades now as the ultimate
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victim class.
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And now all that is paying off in the propaganda war where they're actually, uh, winning over
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the Marxist left all over the world.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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It is stunning.
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And the ignorance and the people just believing the talking points and not knowing, let's
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just set biblical, biblical truth aside, not knowing world history.
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But Scott, by the way, friends, look up, if you haven't seen our program with Dr. Jake
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Jacobs on this propaganda war in academia and the media, the, please watch that from
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last week.
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Scott, you talk about the cult of anti-zionism in an article here and lay out the fact that
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a cult is a social group with socially deviant or novel religious, philosophical or spiritual
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beliefs and practices.
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And you say that some have the viewpoint, Zionism is the main source of political and
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cultural evil in the modern world.
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How do people come to believe that and explain what you mean, please?
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Well, this goes back and, I mean, Jew hatred is nothing new in the world and, right?
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And it's been, it's been, unfortunately, central to Christianity going all the way back
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to Roman, the early days of Roman Catholicism, right?
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First century Christianity, in fact, my church is called First Century Bible Church.
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We studied this scripture from a Hebrew cultural perspective.
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We are, we're not traditionalist Christians, we're not Messianic Jews.
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We just simply are, we simply believe that the, you know, to understand the scripture,
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you have to understand the cultural context in which it was written.
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And that's completely Hebrew.
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And the first 90 years of the church, the believers, almost all of them, especially the first
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30, 40 years, almost all of them were Jews, right, who had recognized the Messiah based
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on the prophecies that they had been living by all the, those centuries.
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And, and so really, First Century Christianity was really Messianic Judaism.
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And they were attending synagogues on the, on the Saturday and then they were having Christian
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love feasts and things on Sunday, the first day of the week.
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And, but then by the end of the first century, the church basically,
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completely converted to a Roman, a Greco-Roman worldview.
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And that was the beginning of the Roman Catholic Church, you know,
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Clement of Rome, basically sort of published a piece that assumed ecclesiastic authority
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over the entire church, right, out of that grew the papacy.
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And in, in the midst of all this was, was a, was a doctrine, the doctrine of supercessionism,
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that the church supersedes everything in the Bible about, about Israel and Judah is superseded
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by Christian church.
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And then on top of that was then built this punitive supercessionism, in which it said,
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they killed Christ, so they deserve to be punished.
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And we, the new Israel, the new Judah, can, can, can, should be punishing the Jews
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for having killed our Savior.
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And that for centuries, right, all the pogroms, the driving the Jews,
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from this and that place of killing them in large numbers and all that,
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that's, that's where Jew hatred really comes from.
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I mean, there are other sources too, but in Christendom, that's the origin of it.
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It's a, it's a holdover in the reform theology that says that the church replaces Israel.
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Now, I'm a two house believer, you know, most people have no idea what I'm talking about.
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The new house, I, this is an article at ScottLively.net is the, the most important
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forgotten truth of the Bible is the, the two houses Israel and Judah are separate and distinct.
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The church supersedes in, in Israel, right?
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But not a Judah, Judah, the house of Judah continues to have a relationship with God
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and will until the second coming when collectively the house of Judah will be conformed.
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Romans 11, just read it from beginning to end and based, you know, take what I've just said
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and then read Romans 11 in that context and light bulbs will go on for you.
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All right, we're going to have to take a quick break here and pick this up and go back to the year
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1897 and what happened 20 years later when the British liberated the Holy Land.
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We're with Pastor Scott Lively and we'll be right back.
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So thank you guys so very much. So Scott Lively, what happened in 1897 in relation to what we
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are talking about with the history of the land and the battles that have been taken place through
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the years? Yeah, 1897. Let me just preface it with this that for five centuries, almost five
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centuries in Great Britain and Holland, was the Hebraic Movement in Christendom in which there was
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a cooperation between Christians and Jews on the doctrine of millennialism, the belief in the
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two houses and that the House of Judah, the Jews and the House of Israel Christians would be united
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in the Holy Land eventually. There was a huge thing, no it never talked about today,
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no one was nobody knows anything about it, but it was so powerful that this partnership
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of the church of England and the British monarchy with the Jews, bankers, et cetera,
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was it reshaped the entire world. I think what they call Anglo-Zionism, the British and the Jews
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and that that partnership was sort of represented in a kind of a cultic doctrine called British
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Israelism, which I don't endorse, but it was elements of it have some validity, some a few,
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but it was important thing, it was held by the elites by a very powerful faction of the elites
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and that then drove the pursuit of getting back the Holy Land from the Muslims.
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And so in 1897, 20 years before the British conquered the Turks and liberated the Holy Land and
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gave the Holy Land back to the Jews, a group of ultra-nationalist Jews formally created
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Zionism as a Jewish nationalistic movement and sort of abandoned the centuries-long
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partnership of Christians and Jews. As a matter of fact, from the early 1800s, Christians were in
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Israel in the old city. In fact, I stated the Christ Church guesthouse inside the Jaffa Gate
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where the Christians went there intentionally to help repatriate Jews to the land as part of
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this partnership and they actually, their church that they designed is a church in the shape of
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a synagogue so that the Jews would feel welcome and there's this sort of cooperation.
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And so the plan was ultimately based on prophecy that the two houses would be reconciled in the
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Millennial Kingdom, thus the term Millennialism. But when the nationalistic Jews formed Zionism,
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they excluded the Christians, it was purely Jewish and that group once the British government
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conquered the Turks, that's who they gave, it was the Balfour Declaration, they gave it to the
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nationalists. It Jews because the British wanted to have essentially a forward post in the Muslim
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world, right? And the trade-off was the Jews who would get the Holy Land back as long as the
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British had a major hand in everything that happened there and that the Jews would basically have to
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be the front line, the frontier between the West and the East for all matters related to
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geopolitics and war, et cetera. And ever since then, they have been in a constant siege,
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the entire Muslim wants to wipe them off the face of the earth and Christianity to the extent that
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people understand the Bible that God bequeathed, you know, covenanted that land to them, you know,
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we have backed them. And so it's very complex, but that's what 1897 is about.
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Hey, well, I mean, we could do an hour or two on this topic and dig deeper, but let's go to
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Genesis 15 in your article, your other article, the Hebrew's irrevocable right to the Holy Land,
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which is on your website at scottlively.net, which is on that day, the Lord made a covenant with
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Abram saying to your descendants, I have given this land from the river of Egypt to the great river
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Euphrates and it goes on that's Genesis 15 versus 18 through 21. So God reconfirmed the promise in
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the form of a deed of trust in Genesis 17, 17 and eight, saying, I will establish my covenant
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as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you. Yes, scott,
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talk to us about that because, okay, everlasting. So that this is God, this is God's word and his
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promise to Abram to Abraham and his descendants, but some would argue, well, I don't believe in
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the Bible. So that doesn't apply. What are your thoughts? Well, you better get right with God.
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You don't believe the Bible. It's the word of God. Every answer to every question you could ever
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have is either directly addressed or by extrapolation from the biblical principles. I'm a Christian
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lawyer in addition to being a pastor. I've studied biblical law. It's the foundation of all of our law
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really. Some Roman statutes for law sort of got, you know, welded on, but that's what where
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law is. What we're talking about is an irrevocable deed from God to the Hebrew people for the Holy
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Land with very specific boundaries and that and it's perpetual. In the law, this in real estate law,
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there's this there's this law that exists in more modern times called the rule against perpetuities.
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And what should really say is not supposed to be able to be perpetual, but in this particular case,
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the deed to the Hebrews of the Holy Land is perpetual meaning eternal forever, unbreakable,
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unviolable, can't be rescinded. I mean, that's what God could say he wanted to, but no one else
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could do that and he hasn't. And so that's the reality. Now, if you don't believe that and if you
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want to reject the biblical evidence, there's the second basis that the Jews have the Holy Land. That
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is the simple ancient warrior code, military code, to the victor go to spoils, right? This isn't
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what the British conquered the Turks. They conquered the militarily, right? They beat their
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butts and they took the Holy Land back and then they gave it to the Jews, right? That's so
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that that's the law of conquest to the victor go to spoils. The Holy Land with the spoils of
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World War I that the British government gave to the Jews. Now the gate that the the British tried
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to put all sort of conditions on it and all that. And they were operating under this recent construct
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that had been put together. There was a League of Nations and they were attempting to establish
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a global government, even back then Wilson, you know, President Wilson and all that. But
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so the League of Nations was trying to essentially impose geopolitical preconditions and to
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assume leadership for itself that it really didn't have and tried to limit the extent to which the
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Jews could use the Holy Land. But, you know, that had no more validity than, you know, if you
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want to reject anything, reject the League of Nations, don't reject Israel. Because they're
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packing the land that they that they had before they're restored to the Holy Land. And even though
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I have all kinds of problems with the Israeli government, you know, pushing the Sodomite agenda,
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the abortion agenda, it's just as wicked as American government. But it is prophetic, right? It
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is a fulfillment of property. There's supposed to be there. And and and if you have any sense of
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a prophecy at all, you see that this thing is falling into place by the numbers. It's just astonishing
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how closely all this aligns with what the scripture says is going to happen. So it's prophetic.
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Yes. You were alluding to the Balfour Declaration. Could you briefly touch on that?
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Yeah, it was the it was a British minister named Balfour, Jeffrey Balfour. Lord Jeffrey, I
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can't forget his first name. But he essentially issued a letter from the British government
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to Baron Rothschild, right? And who who essentially represented world jewelry
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into the British monarchy's mind. And the Balfour letter basically just says, you know, here we
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we've we've taken this land and and this is it we're granting you the right to go back and
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and and resettle this very simply. And but that was sort of a that was the to the victor go the
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spoils. That's that was that's the that's the letter that you can hang that principle on.
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And very famous. And they and then in 1948, of course, they lived under the British the British
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had what's called the British mandate from the League of Nations where the where the governments
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of the world, you know, attempting to establish global authority sort of dictating to what extent
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Britain could actually, you know, could function and operate. You know, that expired in 1948
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and immediately at midnight, it expired. And then the next minute, the the Jews declared
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that Jewish homeland of Israel and then all, uh, hell breaks loose in the Middle East.
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Yeah, it had been going on before that, you know, even before, but it really took off and
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and that was really the beginning of, you know, it's been over a century now that, uh, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, it is, uh, that because all this stuff is going on, at least since 2017,
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as World War One, we we have been watching, uh, all the prophecy come together. And it's all
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the world's eyes is always on this little plot of ground right there that, uh, isn't interesting.
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That Scott, you bring it is the size of New Jersey. We've shown the map many, many, many, many times.
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And yet people accused Israel of being oppressors and colonizers. And I'll tell you what, if they're,
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if they're colonizers, they're really bad at it because all the massive land around them
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is owned by, you know, Muslims and and nations that want to destroy me is really go ahead.
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Real quick, because we're running out of time. And that, right, the, the, the Palestinians,
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the so-called Palestinians, uh, have refused to civilize. That's another article that I put out
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really. Why the Palestinians refuse to civilize? It's because they have allowed themselves to be
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shaped and molded. It is the ultimate victim class, right? The Islam is a religion of, of military
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conquest, all from the beginning, Muhammad's life, right? The life of Muhammad actually has,
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as much import to the Muslims as the grandas. And, uh, and and so they had, they were conquered
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by the British Empire. They were not strong enough to overtake, to take the land back again.
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So they switched to cultural warfare using asymmetrical warfare and this principle of oppressor
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and oppressed. They're using cultural Marxism to fight a cultural war to take the land back.
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And the Palestinians are the ultimate victim class who refuse to civilize,
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who refuse any kind of peace or any kind of of prosperity in order to be able to force
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the whole world to condemn Israel for being oppressors. Yeah, amazing.
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You see amazing. You end the article on a, on a good note and a happy note. So to speak,
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you say, uh, Christians have an equal biblical stake in the Holy Land. We will one day share
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with our spiritual cousins the Jews and we should do all we can to preserve it until that day.
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Your quick thoughts to wrap that up, Scott? Well, yes, we're going to be there, right? I think all
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the crisis that's going to happen. I don't know the timing of the God may God born all that.
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But I think the Jews are being pressed to the point where they're going to realize the only
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friends they have in the world are Bible believing Christians. Yes. Bible believing with accurate
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interpretations of the biblical worldview. Man, there's so much ignorance, which we've talked about
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quite a bit. And we're seeing that in America and our churches. But that's for another conversation.
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Scott lively.net. Brother, thanks for your time. Well, Lord willing, we'll do this again soon.
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That's been a blessing to be with you, David. God bless you. All right. Okay, guys.
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