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The Kenny Report | 15 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report, the Albanezy government tries to frighten the nation
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Speaker 2: into accepting its reckless climate and energy agenda. The coalition
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Speaker 2: plunges to a new low in the opinion polls, just
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Speaker 2: what you'd expect when they stand for nothing. The sickening
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Speaker 2: reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination shows how civilization and the
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Speaker 2: contest of ideas are under threat, and we'll see how
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Speaker 2: the ABC lets down the country on that front. I'll
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Speaker 2: cross to Sophie Ellsworth in London too, on the back
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Speaker 2: of yesterday's massive protests, and on the panel with Gematone
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Speaker 2: UNI and Lisa Goddard, we'll look at double standards over
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters at Bondai Beach.
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Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: Be afraid, be very afraid your government wants you to
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Speaker 2: be afraid. Not of your skyrocketing power bills, not afraid
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Speaker 2: of what the de industrialization of our country is doing
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Speaker 2: to the economy. Not afraid of how we're making our
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Speaker 2: country cleaner and weaker while China makes itself dirtier and stronger.
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Speaker 1: No, it wants you to be very afraid of the.
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Speaker 3: Weather, cascating compounding concurrent. That's how the Australian Climate Service
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Speaker 3: describes the impact of climate change on every community in
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Speaker 3: our country, cascating it will get worse.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The Climate and Energy Minister is added again trying to
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Speaker 2: soften the country up for the announcement of its latest
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Speaker 2: emissions reductions targets by telling us we're all doomed plugs trout.
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Speaker 3: We all know they're getting worse and more frequent.
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Speaker 1: We know why as well, climate change. But that's not
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Speaker 1: the impact.
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Speaker 3: Climate change is going to impact on our country in
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Speaker 3: so many ways, on our health, on national security.
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Speaker 1: And our economy.
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Speaker 3: That's today least the National Climate Risk Assystem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this report is essentially a government report. There's input
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Speaker 2: from the Weather Bureau and the CSIRO, but there's no
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Speaker 2: new science, just a repackaging of the usual reports. It's
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Speaker 2: essentially a pulled together a public relations document pushing the
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Speaker 2: alarmist buttons. Just what the government and the minister want.
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Speaker 2: I suppose, I mean, even your life is at risk?
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Speaker 1: They say.
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Speaker 3: Public health risks will become more pronounced, with significant potential
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Speaker 3: for lots of life and strain on health systems.
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Speaker 5: That's the report says.
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Speaker 3: Now, that's what I'll point you to again.
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Speaker 1: That's confronting it.
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Speaker 2: Sure is, except the Minister talks nonsense, as i'll show
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Speaker 2: you in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: But let's do a quick check on the actual report.
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Speaker 2: One of the things to highlight, especially when politicians and
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Speaker 2: other climate alarmists keeps telling us the same thing, is
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Speaker 2: that it tells us, like Chris bow and just did,
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Speaker 2: the climate change is already making extreme weather events worse.
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Speaker 1: The trouble is that data doesn't support this.
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Speaker 2: Cyclones are not worse, droughts are not worse, floods and
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Speaker 2: bushfires are in line with our history, and most of
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Speaker 2: the heat records we've seen broken are only records because
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Speaker 2: we've lowered the earlier ones.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, they keep telling us it.
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Speaker 2: Is worse, which is speculation at best. Have a look
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Speaker 2: at what the report says about tropical cyclones, for instance,
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Speaker 2: which have become less common in recent decades. To quote
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Speaker 2: the report, the frequency of tropical cyclones is likely to decrease,
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Speaker 2: it says with medium confidence.
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Speaker 1: That's good news.
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Speaker 2: But the proportion of category four and five events may increase. Oh,
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Speaker 2: that's not so good that uses it, But it says
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Speaker 2: that with low to medium confidence, and it says there
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Speaker 2: will be little change or a small southward shift in
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Speaker 2: tropical cyclone tracks, and that's possible. But they say that
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Speaker 2: with low confidence all up on the cyclone front that
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Speaker 2: suggests things are going to get better, but they leave
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Speaker 2: open the option they might get worse too.
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Speaker 1: See what I mean? What about floods? Check this out.
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Speaker 2: The report says a decrease in maximum daily runoff and
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Speaker 2: annual runoff totals is possible with low confidence, indicating less
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Speaker 2: frequent floods.
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Speaker 1: That's good news, I suppose.
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Speaker 2: But it then says when floods do occur, they are
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Speaker 2: likely to be higher due to higher event rainfall totals.
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Speaker 1: And they say that with medium confidence.
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Speaker 2: Again good news, fewer floods, although of course rivers need floods.
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Speaker 2: But they reckon floods might be higher or worse. Not
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Speaker 2: that they are, not that they will be, just that
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Speaker 2: they reckon with medium confidence that they will get worse.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty much a bob each, but it always gives
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Speaker 2: the alarmists something to run with. But here's the killer
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Speaker 2: point that I reckon gives the game away Anyone who
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Speaker 2: has read extensively and spoken to experts on this stuff
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Speaker 2: over the years knows one important point, and that is
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Speaker 2: that if there is global warming, if there is climate
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Speaker 2: change happening, there will not just be harmful effects. There
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Speaker 2: have to be benefits too. A warmer climate means more
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Speaker 2: rain overall, and more carbon dioxide means more plant growth overall,
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Speaker 2: and more warm in many areas means better agriculture and
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Speaker 2: fewer deaths overall. So there are plenty of benefits. But
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Speaker 2: I did a search of this report for reference to benefits,
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Speaker 2: and in all those thousands of words, there was one, yes,
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Speaker 2: just one mention of any benefit. And even then it's
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Speaker 2: dismissed as quickly as it's raised. Under the horticulture topic,
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Speaker 2: it says, although reduces frost risk might offer some benefits,
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Speaker 2: the overall impact of rising temperatures is likely to be detrimental. Really,
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Speaker 2: fewer frosts the only benefit in the whole country, but
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Speaker 2: that's likely that likely won't make up for the downside
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Speaker 2: of warmer weather. This gives the game away. Benefits are minimized,
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Speaker 2: drawbacks are maximized, and there's very little scientific discussion about
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Speaker 2: what's actually happening now, same old spin.
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Speaker 1: That's what this is.
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Speaker 2: To be clear, it's more spin than science. I prefer
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Speaker 2: science anyway. It gets much worse when you look at
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Speaker 2: what policies flow from all of this sort of alarmism.
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Speaker 2: Documents like this, after all, are only there to frighten
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Speaker 2: the public, so they're more likely to approve of the
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Speaker 2: Labor Government's net zero and energy policies.
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Speaker 5: Australia as client is changing.
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Speaker 6: This means there's a greater risk of climate extremes and
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Speaker 6: natural disasters.
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Speaker 5: These risks have the.
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Speaker 6: Potential to impact our way of life and the things
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Speaker 6: we care about as a country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about bolstering the net zero push. Listen
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Speaker 2: to this hower from Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 3: This report is a reminder if we needed oneever. But
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Speaker 3: the cost of inaction will always outweigh the cost of action.
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Speaker 2: The cost of action will always outweigh the cost of inaction.
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Speaker 2: Whatever you think of climate change, that statement is simply untrue.
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Speaker 1: It's logically absurd.
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Speaker 2: Global greenhouse gas emissions continue to rise. They will be
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Speaker 2: higher this year than last year, when they hit a
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Speaker 2: record of almost thirty eight billion tons. Australia's emissions are
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Speaker 2: one percent of global emissions and falling.
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Speaker 1: We've been reducing our emissions and.
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Speaker 2: It's made zero, no difference because thanks mainly the China,
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Speaker 2: but many other nations as well, such as India, Indonesia,
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Speaker 2: African nations. Thanks to all of them, the world's emissions
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Speaker 2: continued to rise by far more than Australia's cuts. So
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Speaker 2: the costs of our action are massive. Just on power
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Speaker 2: prices alone. Our action is costing jobs and investment and
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Speaker 2: it's causing enormous pain for households and for Australia at least,
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Speaker 2: there is no cost to inaction because nothing we do
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Speaker 2: can make any difference. That's the reality, that's the science.
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Speaker 2: So rather than in action costing more than action, the
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Speaker 2: opposite is closer to the truth. No matter what we
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Speaker 2: spend on action, it will not reduce the costs of.
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Speaker 1: Inaction at all.
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Speaker 2: Whatever we spend will make no difference and will copy
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Speaker 2: the costs.
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Speaker 1: Of inaction no matter what.
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Speaker 2: And just to bring that into the micro into the
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Speaker 2: absurd retail politics of electricity costs, listen to Chris bow
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Speaker 2: and tell you that you've never had it better.
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Speaker 3: In the old days we all used to get an
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Speaker 3: energy bill, and that was our entire say in the matter.
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Speaker 3: You just have to pay the energy bill. You had
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Speaker 3: no further say. That has changed, that is changing and
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Speaker 3: will change. Now Australians have a power station on their
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Speaker 3: roof and in their garage and in their driveway with
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Speaker 3: their batteries. As of today, fifty eight hundred and forty
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Speaker 3: six of strains have installed a cheap mahome battery since
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Speaker 3: the first of July, more than a.
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Speaker 1: Gig or what hour of capacity?
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Speaker 3: Those are Strainers are increasingly in charge of their own assets.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So now we have the most expensive electricity ever and
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Speaker 2: it's only getting more expensive. But the government also spends
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Speaker 2: more of your taxes subsidizing solar panels, and the government
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Speaker 2: spends tax dollars subsidizing batteries. So there's yet more government
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Speaker 2: spending more taxpayers dollars on energy.
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Speaker 1: And this is portrayed as a good thing.
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Speaker 2: And be careful because the government also wants to be
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Speaker 2: able to draw on your soul of power when it
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Speaker 2: can and when it chooses, and when there's no sun,
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Speaker 2: no wind and no battery storage, we still need generation.
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Speaker 2: We need a second energy grid to back it all up.
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Speaker 2: And we wonder why it costs a bomb, and the
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Speaker 2: government says that no matter what all this costs, no
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Speaker 2: matter how much money it chews up, or what it
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Speaker 2: does to our economy, it's cheaper than not doing anything,
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Speaker 2: which is patently untrue.
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Speaker 1: What are idiotic shambles.
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Speaker 2: Normally at this stage of the political cycle, I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: bother mentioning the opinion polls, but sometimes they're so dramatic
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Speaker 2: they have to be discussed, even though any election is
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Speaker 2: almost three years ago. The Coalition has now recorded its
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Speaker 2: lowest ever primary vote in news Poll twenty seven percent.
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Speaker 2: We'll under a third of voters, now barely a quarter
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Speaker 2: of voters saying they'll give their first preference to the
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Speaker 2: Liberals or the Nationals. Labour's thirty six percent is underwhelming
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Speaker 2: historically sure, but obviously it's a third better than the
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Speaker 2: Coalition and plenty high enough to guarantee a continued massive
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Speaker 2: majority based on preferences. The primary votes spill out into
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Speaker 2: a massive advantage for Labour in two party preferred terms.
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Speaker 1: Obviously.
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Speaker 2: Now News Poll is run in the Australian newspaper. It's
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Speaker 2: widely regarded as the most reliable public opinion poll in
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Speaker 2: the country and it's been running regularly for forty years now,
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Speaker 2: so it is an accurate reflection. Besides, the Resolve poll
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Speaker 2: in the nine media newspapers has also measured the Coalition
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Speaker 2: first preference tally at twenty seven percent.
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Speaker 1: So this historic low is real.
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Speaker 2: Now, look when you see the horrible division that wrapped
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Speaker 2: the coalition for the past fortnite, the haggling over Senator
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Speaker 2: Jacyntha Nambajempa Price's comments on Indian immigration and then her
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Speaker 2: sacking early last week, Well that stuff will cost you
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Speaker 2: support just for the disunity. But because Namba Jimper Price
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Speaker 2: is so popular with the coalition supporter base, it will
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Speaker 2: have shifted even loyal Coalition supporters to tell pulses that
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Speaker 2: they'll favor minor parties or independents. But to my mind,
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Speaker 2: there is something even more important at play here. Because
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Speaker 2: Senator Namberjimper Price, she will return to the front bench
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Speaker 2: at some time, her popularity will again work for the coalition.
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Speaker 2: The bigger worry for the Liberals is that they claim
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Speaker 2: to stand for nothing. They have actually thrown away all
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Speaker 2: of their policies and they'll say that're reviewing all of them.
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Speaker 2: At the moment, they can't argue the case on any policy.
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Speaker 2: They are not talking liberal values, they are not arguing
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Speaker 2: from first principles.
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Speaker 1: They've abandoned the contest.
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Speaker 2: This is the last place and opposition should be How
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Speaker 2: can they hold a government to account when they have
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Speaker 2: no position on anything themselves? For now they are the
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Speaker 2: opposition that is not even there. Susan Lee should never
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Speaker 2: have put the opposition into that position, not for a week,
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Speaker 2: that alone, month after month. It's high time to stand
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Speaker 2: for something and argue the case.
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Speaker 1: That, after all, is what politics is all about.
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Speaker 2: The horrific political assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah last
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Speaker 2: week and the way it was welcomed by his ideological enemies,
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Speaker 2: the way people actually cheered for the assassination of a
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Speaker 2: peace loving family and simply because they disagree with his
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Speaker 2: conservative and Christian views, well, this is a stunning moment
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Speaker 2: for Western civilization because while this crime played out in
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Speaker 2: the US, the debate that fueled it and the toxic
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Speaker 2: response they were global, facilitated by social media. This came
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Speaker 2: so close to home that Australian online influencer Hannah Ferguson
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Speaker 2: posted that while she didn't approve of Kirk's murder. Violence
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Speaker 2: is sometimes necessary just appalling stuff, but worse. Teal MP
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Speaker 2: Zalie Stegel liked it. She liked this vile message online.
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Speaker 2: After being called out, Stegel said the like didn't mean
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Speaker 2: she agreed with the post, and she's now unliked it
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Speaker 2: all the same, and Stegel says she's not condoned the
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Speaker 2: political violence that killed Kirk.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's comfort.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if a coalition MP had committed this transgression. Look,
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Speaker 2: the whole essence of Western civilization is respectful disagreement, exercising
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Speaker 2: political power without violence, having the contest of ideas without violence.
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Speaker 2: This is what it means to have a liberal democracy.
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Speaker 2: This is why Western civilization has delivered so much peace, prosperity,
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Speaker 2: and progress around the world.
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Speaker 1: And now we see.
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Speaker 2: That the radical left, especially the young, either do not
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Speaker 2: understand this endowment, the system that's gifted them so much,
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Speaker 2: or they are in a deliberate ideological struggle to tear
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Speaker 2: it down. We've seen this play out repeatedly in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East debate. Young people preaching the death slogans of
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Speaker 2: Islami's terrorist groups like Humas, young people demonizing Israel and
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Speaker 2: Jews in a way we would have thought impossible, a
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Speaker 2: generation again young people portraying the Islamist extremist aggressors as
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Speaker 2: the victims, portraying the enemies of freedom, plurality and tolerance
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Speaker 2: as the victims. And our own government has been complicit
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Speaker 2: in this process, of course, failing to strongly condemn and
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Speaker 2: take action to stamp out antisemitism, demonizing Israel, and even
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Speaker 2: though we've seen a Muslim preacher openly celebrate the terrorist atrocities,
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Speaker 2: we've seen threatening chants against Jewish Australians, marches in our
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Speaker 2: streets yelling river to the Sea or inter Fada or
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Speaker 2: death to the IDF. And we've seen cars burned, homes
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Speaker 2: and businesses daubed in hateful graffiti, and a synagogue fire bomb.
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Speaker 1: Even though we've.
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Speaker 2: Seen all that, the Prime Minister and his government have
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Speaker 2: looked on and been weak. They commissioned a report on
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism, and in typical fashion, last week also had
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Speaker 2: to release a report on Islamophobia, as if that is
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Speaker 2: somehow an equivalent problem in this country, which it simply
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Speaker 2: is not. It is equally as bad as anti semitism,
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Speaker 2: and yes, we should equally deplore antisemitism and Islamophobia. But
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Speaker 2: one is a virulent hatred causing great harm in our
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Speaker 2: society now the other, thankfully is not. These tensions have
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Speaker 2: been front and center since the October the seventh atrocities
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Speaker 2: almost two years ago in Southern Israel, of course, and
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Speaker 2: since that time Anthony Albanese's electorate office in Sydney has
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Speaker 2: been subjected to protests that have been almost permanent. Yet
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Speaker 2: instead of ensuring the police could be the office could
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Speaker 2: operate with police help, the PM has shut his office
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Speaker 2: down at times, and now he's.
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Speaker 1: Not renewing the lease.
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Speaker 2: He's looking for a new, more secure office. This is
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Speaker 2: horribly weak and it's irresponsible. The Prime Minister has given
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Speaker 2: in to the anti Israel extremists. The pro Palestinian activists
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Speaker 2: have won. They should never be allowed to win in
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Speaker 2: this way. We have to stand up for democracy and
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Speaker 2: the rule of law, not give in to the radicals
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Speaker 2: who seek to bully, intimidate and shut down any dissenting voices.
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Speaker 1: Whether it took a permanent police.
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Speaker 2: Presence at the office or arrests of anyone who broke
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Speaker 2: the law, or if it took the PM to actually
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Speaker 2: work out of his electorate office now and then so
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Speaker 2: that security could come with him, you know, him taking
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Speaker 2: a stand. Something should have happened to keep the office open. Instead,
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Speaker 2: Albau's caved. He's caved into radical protesters who push a
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Speaker 2: cause he happens to agree with. In the main, this
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Speaker 2: is not how Western civilization and the contest of ideas
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Speaker 2: are supposed to work. If the federal government won'ts stand
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Speaker 2: up for these principles, who will. Let's catch up with
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Speaker 2: Anne Webster, who's the Shadow Minister for Regional Development. She
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Speaker 2: joins us live from Miljuria in northwestern Victoria. Good to
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Speaker 2: speak to you, and first up, do you think that
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albaniz he should have taken a stand and kept
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Speaker 2: his office open rather than caving into these radicals.
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Speaker 7: Well, I absolutely think he is a weak Prime Minister
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Speaker 7: and the fact that he has left his staff to
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Speaker 7: either work at home or close the office and pretend
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Speaker 7: it it'll all go away when it clearly won't, and
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Speaker 7: I think is direct result of his stand after October seventh.
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Speaker 7: I believe he should have done more and to simply
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Speaker 7: put you security team there. I don't think that would
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Speaker 7: have been a permanent arrangement. It wouldn't have worked because
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Speaker 7: he's in and out, you know, constantly, so his staff
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Speaker 7: would have been left there in an arrangement that just
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Speaker 7: was not going to work for their safety.
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Speaker 1: He should have done more.
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Speaker 2: And no doubt he should have done more now when
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Speaker 2: it comes to these polling is dire polling for the coalition.
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Speaker 2: A long way from the election, of course, but record
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Speaker 2: low polling.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe it can get any worse?
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Speaker 5: Well, I certainly hope not.
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Speaker 7: Obviously, being on the shadow front bench, I am as
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Speaker 7: concerned as every Coalition voter is. We want to see
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Speaker 7: our votes pick up, and I believe strong, bold, courageous
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Speaker 7: policy is absolutely what we need to be putting forward.
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Speaker 7: It's early in the term. I understand that. I know it.
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Speaker 7: In the Nationals party room we are working hard. I'm
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Speaker 7: certainly developing policies. I know my colleagues are as well.
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Speaker 7: We've recently had a National's Policy Day where all MPs
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Speaker 7: and senators got together and worked on policies to develop
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Speaker 7: over this period of time. I think the error that
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Speaker 7: we made in the last parliament was that we did
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Speaker 7: not bring policies to the public early enough to market them,
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Speaker 7: to bounce them off the public and understand what the
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Speaker 7: public was saying.
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Speaker 1: But now you've got the option. Now there's no policies,
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Speaker 1: We're going to run out of time.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a mistake to go from policies too
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Speaker 2: late to scrapping all of them.
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Speaker 1: Really that the existing policy should have stayed except for
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Speaker 1: a couple you might want to review.
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Speaker 2: We'll come back to that discussion, but before we run
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Speaker 2: out of time, I do want to get your thoughts
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Speaker 2: on Chris Bowen and this Climate Risk Assessment report today.
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Speaker 2: Are you convinced by the stories of fear and doom here?
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Speaker 8: No?
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Speaker 7: And my favorite topic, Chris, thank you for the opportunity
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Speaker 7: to speak about Chris Bowen. I think it's actually outrageous
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Speaker 7: that he would manipulate or seek to manipulate the population
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Speaker 7: with what is actually old re search. This has been
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Speaker 7: known and let's go back to the nineteen eighties when
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Speaker 7: the mal dives and curebas were said to be going
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Speaker 7: to be drowning by now and that populations would need
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Speaker 7: to be moved. It hasn't happened. The islands have actually grown,
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Speaker 7: the population has grown. So I think we need to
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Speaker 7: take all these warnings and cautions from Crispowen with a
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Speaker 7: grain of salt. The fact is that unless we have
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Speaker 7: affordable energy our country, our country will never get back
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Speaker 7: into manufacturing in the way that we should. We are
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Speaker 7: a strong country, we should be using our natural resources,
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Speaker 7: and we should be taking this fight to Chris Bowen
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Speaker 7: every day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, and thanks for joining us and Webster
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Speaker 2: there live from Mildira in the Victoria's Malee. Now I'm
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Speaker 2: going to cross the US in just a moment and
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Speaker 2: catch up with Elka Lebon, who's the attorney and public advocate.
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Speaker 2: But first I want to have a look at I
22:54
Speaker 2: want you to see some of this reaction online left
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Speaker 2: us celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk got shot and killed. How do you feel happy?
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Speaker 1: Goodbye to that. Charlie Kirk just got shot and killed.
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Speaker 1: That's good girl.
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Speaker 9: Someone had to do it.
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Speaker 10: He was a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know, you got to deserve I'm sorry,
23:18
Speaker 1: you're a bad person.
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Speaker 5: Bad things happened to bad people.
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Speaker 1: Celebrate it. It should happen more often, not death necessarily,
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Speaker 1: But like Parma, big fan of it. Extraordinary stuff.
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Speaker 2: It fills me with despair, particularly when the hatred and
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Speaker 2: the bile is coming from so many young people. As
23:34
Speaker 2: I put it to Eleca Lebon, this is surely the
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Speaker 2: antithesis of what a civilized society should be.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and you know, this is something that we've been
23:44
Speaker 11: predicting for several years now, especially most prominently after October seventh,
23:49
Speaker 11: when it was very clear, and what we were trying
23:53
Speaker 11: to articulate is the fact that this doesn't just stop
23:56
Speaker 11: at celebrating the murder of Jews.
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Speaker 5: And Israelis, because this is actually part of a.
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Speaker 11: Much bigger war that nobody seems to be noticing, which
24:04
Speaker 11: is a war on the West, and that war on
24:06
Speaker 11: the West intentionally has been indoctrinating young minds to believe
24:12
Speaker 11: that there is this system, right, there is this system
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Speaker 11: between oppressed and oppressors, and oppressors are people that have
24:19
Speaker 11: to be killed. And of course what makes somebody an
24:21
Speaker 11: oppressor is just arbitrarily assigned. It is whoever represents the
24:25
Speaker 11: values that the West has, which is primarily people who
24:28
Speaker 11: are Jewish and also people who challenge the views of
24:32
Speaker 11: the radical leftists. And so what this has sort of instilled,
24:36
Speaker 11: these notions have instilled in their minds is that not
24:39
Speaker 11: only are these people who disagree with me just wrong,
24:42
Speaker 11: but their words are so harmful that they actually have
24:47
Speaker 11: to be purged.
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Speaker 5: Right, And so what we're editing now is.
24:51
Speaker 11: This totally dystopian phase of the purge. And the craziest
24:56
Speaker 11: thing about it all is that people still haven't woken
24:58
Speaker 11: up to it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is just so terrible.
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Speaker 2: It comes to this framing of your opponents in debate,
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Speaker 2: in the contest of ideas, as evil and dehumanizing them.
25:09
Speaker 2: I suppose there's one ray of sunshine, one silver lining
25:14
Speaker 2: in that there have been prominent figures on the left
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Speaker 2: to have disagree with Charlie Kirk but have expressed there
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Speaker 2: our rage. Now, this should be common, This shouldn't stand
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Speaker 2: out as it does, but no doubt it does. And
25:24
Speaker 2: one of the leading people there was a Dean Withers,
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Speaker 2: who was if you're like a rival of Charlie Kirk's,
25:29
Speaker 2: a liberal left rival in the podcasting world, have a
25:33
Speaker 2: listened to him.
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Speaker 12: If you want to end gun violence, it is something
25:36
Speaker 12: that you can never celebrate. It is always disgusting, always vile,
25:41
Speaker 12: and always abhorrent. It should come as no shock to
25:43
Speaker 12: yourself when I tell you that I think Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 12: was a bad person. I've made that very clear of
25:47
Speaker 12: the last year. But does that mean I think he
25:49
Speaker 12: deserves to lose his life?
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Speaker 2: Note, Well, that's what you'd expect from everyone, wouldn't do Elica.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't even I even think, just
25:58
Speaker 11: sort of reiterating this think that you know, I think
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Speaker 11: he's a bad person. It's sort of just feeding into
26:02
Speaker 11: same thing. He's a person who you don't understand, just
26:05
Speaker 11: like you're a person that he doesn't understand. But I think,
26:08
Speaker 11: you know, when we see we have seen condemnations from
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Speaker 11: a lot of people on the left, We've seen a
26:14
Speaker 11: lot of condemnations from you know, Democratic Party leaders, but
26:17
Speaker 11: I think this actually proves that the chasm between the
26:21
Speaker 11: party and the people has widened so much that even
26:24
Speaker 11: when you have Democratic leaders or influential people that are
26:27
Speaker 11: willing to come out and condemn this, what you're still
26:29
Speaker 11: seeing is so many people on the left who are
26:32
Speaker 11: celebrating it, and just shows that the values that even
26:37
Speaker 11: the Democratic Party leaders may still have have so are
26:41
Speaker 11: so disparate and so far apart from the values of
26:44
Speaker 11: the young generation now.
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Speaker 5: And that is.
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Speaker 11: Because of exactly all of these things that we've been
26:48
Speaker 11: talking about, which is that this is a mindset. Yeah,
26:52
Speaker 11: it always starts with a mindset. It's a mindset that
26:55
Speaker 11: is nurtured in universities. It is a mindset that is
26:58
Speaker 11: nurtured in friend groups and social circles. And it all
27:01
Speaker 11: goes back, and I always bring it back to the
27:03
Speaker 11: same thing. It all goes back to the Soviet disinformation
27:08
Speaker 11: war that occurred during the Cold War, which the primary
27:11
Speaker 11: motivation of that war was to convince people inside the
27:14
Speaker 11: West to turn against themselves, to turn against the United
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Speaker 11: States and Israel primarily. And that mindset is something that
27:20
Speaker 11: we've allowed to germinate to such an extent that the
27:24
Speaker 11: young generation genuinely believe that the way to a better
27:28
Speaker 11: future and to humanity is to eliminate oppressors. And the
27:34
Speaker 11: question at this point is how many more killings, how
27:37
Speaker 11: many more killings of oppressors? Right? Because we had the
27:41
Speaker 11: CEO of the health insurance company, Brian Thompson, we had
27:45
Speaker 11: the two people that were killed for being Zionists, we
27:48
Speaker 11: had the Wall Street shootings, we had the molotov cocktail
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Speaker 11: thrown at somebody just for saying, bring them home, which
27:55
Speaker 11: also killed them. And now we have Charlie Kirk. How
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Speaker 11: many more times are we going to witness this purging
28:02
Speaker 11: of oppressors from the people that say, you know what,
28:06
Speaker 11: these people are causing harm and they don't deserve to
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Speaker 11: live whilst actively causing the very harm that they're lamenting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the labeling of oppressor, as you point out.
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Speaker 1: Is just so arbitrary. That these are people who are
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Speaker 1: going about their lives lawfully. They just have a different opinion.
28:24
Speaker 2: And it's extraordinary that you can people can dehumanize them
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Speaker 2: in this way.
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Speaker 1: And you're right to book up there with.
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Speaker 2: Dean with Us saying he felt the need to say
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Speaker 2: he's a bad person. We all know that Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 2: was not a bad person. He's just someone Dean with
28:37
Speaker 2: Us disagreed with that. Let me show you a little
28:39
Speaker 2: bit of what Meghan Kelly had to say, of course,
28:42
Speaker 2: the same political ideology as said Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1: And look at what she had to say.
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Speaker 13: Keep persuadth thees lunatics who are online celebrating that Charlie's dead.
28:51
Speaker 13: To be kind, see that Utah Governor, you can't all right,
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Speaker 13: just stop it. These people need to be defeated reasoned with.
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Speaker 1: Is she right there? We can't reason with these people?
29:04
Speaker 1: Is it too late?
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Speaker 2: I mean, universities, colleges, for example, should be the very
29:08
Speaker 2: essence of the contest of ideas. And when you talk
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Speaker 2: about Western civilization, Western civilization is nothing without the respectful
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Speaker 2: contest of ideas, the ability to agree to disagree.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and it's that's, you know, essentially what democracies, Liberal
29:26
Speaker 11: democracies are. Dissent is the cornerstone of democracy. But I
29:31
Speaker 11: think where the mindset has been so altered. But it's
29:34
Speaker 11: altered to the point that you know, people will say,
29:37
Speaker 11: people even who are sort of trying to get on
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Speaker 11: board with what I'm trying to express to them, they
29:41
Speaker 11: will say, you know, but I just I hear you
29:44
Speaker 11: that we shouldn't be killing these people, but what should
29:46
Speaker 11: we do about people who are causing harm?
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Speaker 10: Right?
29:49
Speaker 11: So, you start with this idea of words that cause harm.
29:52
Speaker 11: You start with whatever it is that a person said,
29:56
Speaker 11: and then some action that happens, right, say, thing to
30:00
Speaker 11: do with the war in Israel, whatever it is. You
30:02
Speaker 11: start with some words, and then you start with some action.
30:04
Speaker 11: You end with some action, and then you create a pipeline,
30:07
Speaker 11: some invisible pipeline between someone's words and some far away consequence,
30:12
Speaker 11: and you decide that this person has cause to this
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Speaker 11: consequence in some universe where it's not even possible, right,
30:18
Speaker 11: But they say to me, well, what do we do about.
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Speaker 5: People who are causing harm with their words?
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Speaker 11: And it's so astounding to me that the question even
30:26
Speaker 11: comes up, because it's just if you don't like the idea,
30:30
Speaker 11: you want to kill the person.
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Speaker 5: But it never occurred to you to kill the idea.
30:34
Speaker 11: It never occurred to you to challenge the idea that
30:38
Speaker 11: you don't like, because that isn't even the mindset that
30:40
Speaker 11: we have anymore. And when I express this to people,
30:42
Speaker 11: they're like, oh, yeah, that's so right. Why didn't I
30:45
Speaker 11: think about that exactly? Why didn't you think about that?
30:47
Speaker 11: Because that's not the way that you've been taught to
30:49
Speaker 11: think anymore. The way that you've been taught to think
30:52
Speaker 11: is that if you don't like ideas, eliminate the person
30:55
Speaker 11: that's expressing them. And that is how far we've gone
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Speaker 11: from our values as a liberal democra see, which proves
31:01
Speaker 11: everything that we've been seeing for the past two years,
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Speaker 11: which is that the war against the West, which is
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Speaker 11: targeting our values is truly winning at this point.
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Speaker 2: It's so depressing your spot on there, Melica, thanks so much.
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Speaker 1: For joining us.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets it.
31:18
Speaker 2: All right now speaking of liberal democracy, stick around because
31:20
Speaker 2: after the break we'll look at those.
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Speaker 1: Huge Unite the Kingdom protests in the UK.
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Speaker 2: And I also talk about the ABC, the big taxpayer
31:27
Speaker 2: funded broadcasting. You think that'd be pretty crucial in the
31:30
Speaker 2: contest of ideas, wouldn't they Back to the contest of ideas,
31:38
Speaker 2: and I want to talk about how the ABC.
31:40
Speaker 1: Is letting us down yet again.
31:42
Speaker 2: The billion dollar taxpayer funded broadcaster should be one place
31:46
Speaker 2: where we are guaranteed respectful debates from all perspectives. But
31:51
Speaker 2: according to data from stream media monitoring provided by the
31:54
Speaker 2: free market think tank the IPA, over the last twelve months,
31:59
Speaker 2: the IPA has received two hundred and seventy mentions and
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Speaker 2: appearances on the ABC, compared with two thousand, six hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty four for the hard left Australia Institute, ten
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Speaker 2: times more appearances. Hardly objective and impartial, The ABC is
32:18
Speaker 2: let me bringing me a schlick To's research fellow with
32:21
Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs.
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Speaker 1: Good to speak to you, Mia.
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Speaker 2: I dug out these figures today because I had a hunch.
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Speaker 1: I knew that for years none of.
32:31
Speaker 2: The IPA people were invited onto the Drum program and
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Speaker 2: then the program fell over. I see the Australia Institute people,
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Speaker 2: including former ABC journos, on the ABC all the time,
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Speaker 2: but they don't seem to come to the IPA for.
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Speaker 1: Opinions very often. Presumably you send them plenty.
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Speaker 10: No, that's exactly right, Chris. I mean, we're not exactly
32:55
Speaker 10: being flooded with request from the ABC to have us
32:58
Speaker 10: on their programs. But the reality is is that the
33:01
Speaker 10: ABC is just not the cultural institution at once was,
33:04
Speaker 10: and mainstream Australians understand that, and that's why they're turning off.
33:08
Speaker 10: If you don't live in inner city Mobourne, if you
33:10
Speaker 10: don't live in inner city Sydney, then the ABC simply
33:13
Speaker 10: does not espouse your views. And we're seeing this reflected
33:16
Speaker 10: time and time to get in their ratings, which are
33:18
Speaker 10: just on the constant decline. And it's why we're seeing
33:21
Speaker 10: programs like their flagship Q and a program that was
33:24
Speaker 10: recently canceled Because mainstream Australians are just turning off.
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Speaker 1: But the point is.
33:29
Speaker 2: That they're actually obliged by law. The ABC charter is law.
33:34
Speaker 2: They're obliged to be objective and get different viewpoints.
33:37
Speaker 1: Now we know they're all left wing. They don't have
33:39
Speaker 1: any conservatives within.
33:40
Speaker 2: So if you can't get a conservative or free market
33:43
Speaker 2: or right of center perspective from within your own ranks,
33:46
Speaker 2: surely the easy way to do it is to tap
33:49
Speaker 2: on the organization like yourselves, where you're a free market
33:53
Speaker 2: think tank. There are other independent thing tanks like CIS,
33:56
Speaker 2: but the ABC seems to ignore them.
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Speaker 10: Well, yeah, that's exactly right. And what happens is if
34:03
Speaker 10: they brought the IPA on one of their channels, I'm
34:05
Speaker 10: sure there'd be some kind of debate which they're not
34:07
Speaker 10: quite willing to engage in. And we've seen that in
34:09
Speaker 10: multiple interviews. I mean just recently, Sarah Ferguson had an
34:13
Speaker 10: Israeli minister on the program who that she didn't agree with,
34:16
Speaker 10: and she steamrolled the guests. She wouldn't let him speak.
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Speaker 10: And this happens time and time again. What's interesting is
34:22
Speaker 10: the ABC is the first institution to point out the
34:25
Speaker 10: bias of other institutions and hold themselves on that platform,
34:29
Speaker 10: but they don't hold themselves the same standard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a tragedy for the country, especially when
34:34
Speaker 2: we can see around the world what the lack of
34:37
Speaker 2: free debate, the lack of open debate does.
34:40
Speaker 1: One thing that I.
34:41
Speaker 2: Do notice that on the very rare occasions that anyone
34:45
Speaker 2: from the IPA gets on their ABC radio well god
34:48
Speaker 2: forbid television, they describe your organization, excuse me, as a
34:53
Speaker 2: conservative think tank I think, or even hard right think tank.
34:57
Speaker 2: When the Australia Institute, which is really hard left it
35:01
Speaker 2: pops up. They use that lovely name, the Australia Institute.
35:04
Speaker 1: It sounds very reasonable.
35:05
Speaker 2: It's never described as a leftist or a socialist think tank.
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Speaker 2: Did you think they're being fair and honest in the
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Speaker 2: descriptions of the organizations.
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Speaker 1: They get on.
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Speaker 10: No, they're certainly not being a fair in those descriptions
35:19
Speaker 10: at all. I mean, that's what they'll do is they'll
35:21
Speaker 10: label certain institutions in a certain box to frame their
35:25
Speaker 10: views in a certain way, I think, in some kind
35:27
Speaker 10: of attempt to turn viewers off. But what's interesting now
35:30
Speaker 10: is that the mainstream Australians are actually coming across so
35:34
Speaker 10: when they're sitting there labeling the IPA is a conservative
35:37
Speaker 10: think tank, thinking that will turn people off. That's actually
35:40
Speaker 10: what people are wanting to listen to, that's what they're
35:41
Speaker 10: wanting to hear. They're craving for a diversity of viewpoints
35:45
Speaker 10: and they're not getting on that platform. That's why they're
35:47
Speaker 10: turning off.
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Speaker 1: It's actually helping. Thanks very much, me or I appreciate it.
35:52
Speaker 2: Bea slipped there from the Institute of Public Affairs. How
35:54
Speaker 2: about that ten times as many mentions and appearances by
35:58
Speaker 2: the hard left Australia Institute compared to the IPA. It's
36:03
Speaker 2: the one thing you think that'd get right is have
36:06
Speaker 2: a diversity of views.
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Speaker 1: They're required to under law. We're going to take a break.
36:10
Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll cross to the UK and
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Speaker 2: cash up with Sophie Osworth talking about those protests, the
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Speaker 2: Unite the Kingdom protests that dominated London yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Across to London in a moment but first.
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Speaker 2: At least twenty six police were injured in the United
36:27
Speaker 2: the Kingdom march over the weekend, promoted by activist Tommy Robinson.
36:31
Speaker 1: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
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Speaker 8: This was the culmination more than one hundred thousand people
36:38
Speaker 8: gathering to march in central London. A sea of flags
36:46
Speaker 8: Unite the Kingdom was the all encompassing slogan, drawn widely
36:50
Speaker 8: enough to mean different things for different people, whether that
36:53
Speaker 8: was free speech or immigration. At the center of it
36:56
Speaker 8: all the anti Islam activist Tommy Robinson. When Robinson took
37:01
Speaker 8: the stage, it was more like a football matter or
37:03
Speaker 8: a festival than a political rally.
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Speaker 1: The storm and today we are the storm.
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Speaker 8: This was certainly the largest nationalist rally in recent memory.
37:17
Speaker 8: For those here, it was not just the cap to
37:19
Speaker 8: a long summer of discontent, but the start of something bigger.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to News Court.
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Speaker 2: Europe correspondent and Sky News contributor Sophie R's with joins
37:28
Speaker 2: us live from Westminster.
37:29
Speaker 1: Good to see us, Sophie.
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Speaker 2: You give us your take on the protests there. Well,
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Speaker 2: we had similar protests in Australia of course the other weekend.
37:37
Speaker 2: A lot of debate as to how many of the
37:39
Speaker 2: people were sort of nationalist extremists compared to mainstream Australians.
37:44
Speaker 1: A similar debate in the UK.
37:47
Speaker 2: Was this a mainstream protest or mainly hardliners?
37:52
Speaker 9: Great to be with you, Chris, Look, it really depends
37:55
Speaker 9: on what media outlets you're getting your information from. Some
38:00
Speaker 9: media reports the protesters here were called far right extremists.
38:05
Speaker 9: Others were saying that they were simply protesters demanding a
38:09
Speaker 9: stop to a llegal migration in the UK and also
38:13
Speaker 9: fighting for things such as freedom of speech and also
38:16
Speaker 9: an end to violence against women and young girls. Look,
38:20
Speaker 9: it was a massive crowd here in central London on
38:23
Speaker 9: the weekend, Chris. The police said they were up to
38:26
Speaker 9: one hundred and fifty thousand protesters marching the streets here.
38:31
Speaker 9: There is a lot of anger in the UK at
38:33
Speaker 9: the moment, Chris. People are very very annoyed with their
38:37
Speaker 9: labor government. They're annoyed that there seems to be a
38:40
Speaker 9: cohort of illegal migrants sailing into the UK unchecked and
38:45
Speaker 9: able to stay here. And the weekend really symbolized that
38:49
Speaker 9: there is a lot of discontent in the British public.
38:52
Speaker 9: Among the British public.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no doubt that that issue alone is
38:57
Speaker 2: going to create a lot of resentment with people.
38:58
Speaker 1: We've seen at time and time again.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to a tweet or an ex
39:02
Speaker 2: post if you like, from Kirstarma, the Prime Minister, where
39:04
Speaker 2: he said people have a right to a peaceful protest.
39:07
Speaker 1: It's call to our country's values.
39:09
Speaker 2: But we will not stand for assaults on police officers
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Speaker 2: fair enough doing their job for people fear, or people
39:15
Speaker 2: feeling intimidated on streets because of their background or the
39:18
Speaker 2: color of their skin. Britain is a nation proudly built
39:21
Speaker 2: on tolerance, diversity and respect. Our flag represents our diverse
39:25
Speaker 2: country and we will never surrender to it to those
39:29
Speaker 2: who want to use it as a symbol.
39:30
Speaker 1: Of violence, fear and division.
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Speaker 2: He seems to be really targeting the protests, smearing everyone
39:38
Speaker 2: involved in the protest.
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Speaker 1: There is that the way it's been.
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Speaker 9: Taken, people are really annoyed he Chris Wins the Keres Starmer.
39:46
Speaker 9: They feel like he is, you know, really lecturing them
39:51
Speaker 9: on how they can use the British flag. Just coming
39:53
Speaker 9: into Westminster this morning, there's a lot of Union Jack
39:56
Speaker 9: and St. George's flags up high on the streets that
40:00
Speaker 9: people have obviously put up their protesting and also signifying
40:04
Speaker 9: that they want to be proud that they are British
40:07
Speaker 9: and they want to be proud of their country. But
40:10
Speaker 9: he is very unfavorable at the moment. His career is
40:13
Speaker 9: in jeopardy, Chris, And he's really come out in a
40:17
Speaker 9: careful and articulate way of having a goal at the
40:21
Speaker 9: protesters on the weekend. And no one, Chris, no one
40:24
Speaker 9: in their right mind would think that it's acceptable to
40:27
Speaker 9: attack police. So of course those people should be condemned.
40:30
Speaker 9: But it was a largely peaceful protest here in central London, Chris.
40:36
Speaker 2: It seems incredible so soon after the election. But Keir
40:38
Speaker 2: Starmer's leadership has been speculated about.
40:43
Speaker 9: It certainly is Chris. I mean, he's had scanned a
40:46
Speaker 9: couple of major scandals in recent weeks. He's seen the
40:49
Speaker 9: loss of his Deputy Prime Minister, Angela Rayner after she
40:52
Speaker 9: failed to pay the correct amount of stamp duty tax
40:56
Speaker 9: and she is the Housing or was the Housing Secretary,
40:59
Speaker 9: so she's lost her Deputy Prime ministership. And now he's
41:03
Speaker 9: under extreme pressure because of the appointment of the British
41:07
Speaker 9: Ambassador to the US, Lord Peter Mendelssohn, who's also been
41:12
Speaker 9: sacked over his friendship and very close friendship he described
41:17
Speaker 9: with Jeffrey Epstein, who he said was his best power. Well,
41:20
Speaker 9: he's been tossed out as well. And now there's mountains
41:24
Speaker 9: and mountains of questions to ask a secure starmmer of
41:28
Speaker 9: what he knew and when and why Lord Mandelsson was
41:31
Speaker 9: appointed to this.
41:33
Speaker 1: Role just very quickly.
41:35
Speaker 2: Former Prince Harry and the King they're all sweet again apparently,
41:39
Speaker 2: or it's there more to come.
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Speaker 9: So Prince Harry was here in the UK last week, Chris.
41:46
Speaker 9: He did meet with King Charles the first time in
41:49
Speaker 9: over a year. They had about an hour together at
41:52
Speaker 9: Clarence House and for once, Harry has been dignified and
41:56
Speaker 9: just said it was a great meeting. He hasn't gone
41:58
Speaker 9: into details. It doesn't appear to be selling his story.
42:02
Speaker 9: He's trying to mend the bridges here. There's an awful
42:05
Speaker 9: lot of bad blood between family members here. We know
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Speaker 9: he's trashed the Royal family and I think finally he's
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Speaker 9: seen the light that he needs to mend the ways
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Speaker 9: because his father is ongoing cancer treatment and his health
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Speaker 9: remains a concern.
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Speaker 1: Chris, great stuff, So he thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Sophie Elzath live in London and it's good to see
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Speaker 2: Harry catching up with his dad trying to patch things up.
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Speaker 1: That is a good move for all involved.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get to the break on the other side,
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Speaker 2: Gematon Uni and Lisa Goddard, Well, look at the double
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Speaker 2: standards we're seeing when it comes to pro Palestinian protesters
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Speaker 2: at Bondo Beach.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into the panel now.
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Speaker 2: And Gematon Yuni from GT Communications joins us from Perth
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Speaker 2: this week and Lisa Goddard joins us from ADNI Media
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Speaker 2: in Brisbane. Great, we've got the country covered between both
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Speaker 2: of you. Want to get your thoughts both, We've got
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Speaker 2: all this climate of armism today. Chris bar and Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanezi's sproking this climate.
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Speaker 1: Risk report I like to apply.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're talking about rising oceans flooding on one
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Speaker 2: point five million Australians. But you could always apply the
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Speaker 2: Tim Flannery Malcolm Turnbull test where they're both climate alarmists
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Speaker 2: and they both live.
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Speaker 1: On the seafront.
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Speaker 2: But maybe Lisa, this is where Albout gives it away.
43:20
Speaker 2: When he bought a beach house at Copa Cabata, he
43:22
Speaker 2: made sure it was on the top of a cliff.
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Speaker 1: He's building in some protection there.
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Speaker 4: And Chriss, he wasn't just looking forward to twenty fifty,
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Speaker 4: which we were all meant to be frightened of but
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Speaker 4: he was looking forward to the new doomed to day
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Speaker 4: date of twenty ninety no doubts. So yes, I thought
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Speaker 4: exactly the same thing as I was reading through this today.
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Speaker 4: But the fact that this is all just about scare mongering.
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Speaker 4: We all know that we're going to see Chris Bowen
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Speaker 4: come out there and have to try to defend this
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Speaker 4: new target that he wants to set. And today, when
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Speaker 4: you look at it from a pr perspective, it is
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Speaker 4: an utter win for the government in trying to lay
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Speaker 4: out this fear about what we were all meant to
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Speaker 4: live in fear of when it comes to this green dream.
43:57
Speaker 4: If we don't do it, this is what you're going
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Speaker 4: to end up with. I found that new word of adaptation.
44:02
Speaker 4: There has to be adaptation planning. For a long time
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Speaker 4: I was across this country working with corporates who were
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Speaker 4: putting so much money into decarbonization. It was all about decarbonization.
44:12
Speaker 4: Well that word has gone and now it's adaptation. But
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Speaker 4: I must say, if there is one thing I agree
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Speaker 4: with in this, if they can find a way to
44:18
Speaker 4: make insurance sustainable, which was one of the points they
44:21
Speaker 4: made out, I think that's a great thing because right
44:23
Speaker 4: now you have people around this country. You look at
44:25
Speaker 4: towns like Lismore that flood over and over. They can't
44:28
Speaker 4: get insurance. So if they can suddenly find a way
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Speaker 4: to make sure that there's insurance, it's sustainable when we
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Speaker 4: face this climate risk, well I think they should action
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Speaker 4: that right away.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they can't get insurance because they're built down
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Speaker 2: by the river.
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Speaker 1: We've got to fix these things generates.
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Speaker 2: There's so many lies involved in this, and one of
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Speaker 2: the key lies the politicians spout all the time is
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Speaker 2: that we're already seeing the effects. There's the more extreme weather. Well,
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Speaker 2: the data doesn't show that. It's one thing to say
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Speaker 2: that science predicts it.
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Speaker 1: Sure we can do that. I've read plenty of science
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Speaker 1: that predict some of these effects. But we are not
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Speaker 1: seeing it now.
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Speaker 6: No, we're not seeing it now and we won't be
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Speaker 6: seeing it in the short term future. And Chris, we's
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Speaker 6: had circular conversations around this, and the climate is changing
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Speaker 6: because the climate has been changing since time immemorial, but
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Speaker 6: there is no climate emergency. And we could add to
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Speaker 6: the Turnbull test, we could add the al Gore test
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Speaker 6: to that one. If you are, of course, we're not
45:23
Speaker 6: supposed to know, but truly the man want a Nobel
45:26
Speaker 6: prize for saying things that were patently untrue. It's monstrably
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Speaker 6: false with the passing of time. So I would disagree
45:32
Speaker 6: though with Lisa. In relation to it being a pr
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Speaker 6: win for the government, I would say it's a temporary
45:37
Speaker 6: sug it for the government because of course we've already
45:39
Speaker 6: seen Albo soften up the electorate to say our targets
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Speaker 6: are going to soften and our targets are going to
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Speaker 6: stretch out a little bit further. That's because the electorate
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Speaker 6: is not stupid.
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Speaker 8: We know the.
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Speaker 6: Cause of our rising power prices.
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Speaker 1: We know that it is.
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Speaker 6: Do as I say, not as I do scenario here.
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Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, the government is
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Speaker 6: reaping the whirlwind of its own poor policy. And as
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Speaker 6: the Australia's greatest Prime Minister, John Howard says that energy
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Speaker 6: policy is the single biggest area of policy failure on
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Speaker 6: both sides of the political fence in the last decade,
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Speaker 6: and he is right, of course.
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Speaker 2: Sport is now Lisa the coalition getting smashed in the
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Speaker 2: poll's Quick thought on that and also the polls showing
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Speaker 2: that forty nine percent of Australians seeing our immigration is
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Speaker 2: too high. Only only about rights is twenty seven percent here.
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Speaker 2: This is an issue that the Coalition should be making
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Speaker 2: mileage out of.
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Speaker 1: They've mangled it a bit.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Chris. I think sixty percent of people liberal voters
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Speaker 4: said that they think the immigration is too high, and
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Speaker 4: both labor and Liberal voters have said it's not being
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Speaker 4: handled properly. So I think the issue here is for
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Speaker 4: both major parties to not be frightened to have this
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Speaker 4: debate very quickly. In this country.
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Speaker 5: If you raise it, you are considered to be.
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Speaker 4: A racist and that word is thrown around bar too much.
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Speaker 4: If you look at what's happening on our streets in August,
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Speaker 4: but you look at what happened overseas in the UK
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Speaker 4: yesterday was just being spoken about Sophie. In other parts
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Speaker 4: of Europe. The average person is now saying, we want
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Speaker 4: to be proud of our country, we want to have
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Speaker 4: a say in what is happening with immigration policy. It's
47:15
Speaker 4: not about being racist at all, and you're seeing voters
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Speaker 4: now turn to one nation because they are actually saying
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Speaker 4: and reflecting what the average person is thinking. If the
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Speaker 4: Liberal Party were smart, that add to their long laundry
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Speaker 4: list of policies that they have to decide on. They
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Speaker 4: put immigration front and center rather than creating infighting with someone.
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Speaker 1: Like just Enterprise General.
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Speaker 2: I've got to get your get to your column from
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Speaker 2: the Weekend Australian. We all know that you're a dog
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Speaker 2: lover and a horse lover, right, and you wrote brilliantly
47:39
Speaker 2: about Bella the cocker Spaniel who was a dog. You know,
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Speaker 2: the owners that are walking their dog on Bombay Beach
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Speaker 2: they fined three hundred dollars for the privilege.
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Speaker 1: Yet this bloke.
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Speaker 2: On a horse, a dangerous actor with a Palestinian pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian flag, he.
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Speaker 1: Was just warned off talk us through this in the
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Speaker 1: double Sta added there, well.
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Speaker 6: I mean it's just as you described, Chris. This chap
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Speaker 6: who's a self described social media influencer, decided that he would,
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Speaker 6: you know, canter for Palestine on Bondai Beach and all
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Speaker 6: he got was I'll move on. Notice, while the owners
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Speaker 6: of that geriatric cocker spaniel were hit with a three
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Speaker 6: hundred and fifty dollars fine. Now it is represent like
48:20
Speaker 6: a tongue in cheek because Chris, I would love to
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Speaker 6: go for a canter on Bonda. I don't even need
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Speaker 6: a flag, you know. But now that the now the
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Speaker 6: precedent has been set, I know that the legal precedent
48:31
Speaker 6: has been set that I will get nothing more than
48:34
Speaker 6: a region. It's like saddle up, saddle up, we'll or
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Speaker 6: we'll write at a more suitable hour. But it is
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Speaker 6: it is reflective of something that is more sinister and
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Speaker 6: more creeping, and that is a double standard in relation
48:46
Speaker 6: to the application of the laws that.
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Speaker 13: Govern all of us.
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Speaker 6: From the fact that that's a six hundred kilogram animal
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Speaker 6: that can do absolutely amount of damage.
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Speaker 2: I've just got to show you quickly something that happened
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Speaker 2: on twenty five years ago, to the day, fifteenth September
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Speaker 2: two thousand, Kathy Freeman opened the Olympics. This is a
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Speaker 2: couple of stills of that momentous night twenty five years ago.
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Speaker 2: I think we were in many ways a better country
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Speaker 2: back then when I think of the fellowship and celebrations
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Speaker 2: of that occasion. I happen to be there on the
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Speaker 2: night just next to that. There I am with the
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Speaker 2: Senegal women's basketball team, who went about as well as
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Speaker 2: the Crows did on the weekend. So I can see
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Speaker 2: from your smile I can see from the smiles of
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Speaker 2: both of you you have similar recollections of how great
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Speaker 2: it was when Australia and Sydney your host of the Olympics.
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Speaker 2: That's recaptured that spirit sometime soon. Thanks for joining us,
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Speaker 2: Lisa and Jim. I really appreciate it. That is all
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Speaker 2: the time I got for you tonight. I'm right out
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Speaker 2: of time. Here's Peter Quedlin. I'll see tomorrow night.