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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP 15 - Enochian And Norse Pagan Ramblings!!!! · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  children, opossums even, you know, Aquatic Life, insects and
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  arachnids. Okay?
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  The only thing that I'll exclude from the audience are like the
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  nuisance to humanity mosquitoes are the probably one of the top
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  worse, those antics like deer ticks and dog ticks, but deer
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  ticks, especially because deer ticks carry that vile disease
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  known as Lyme disease of which I am a survivor in a experience
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  that a my very young teenage years.
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  And let me tell you something, In terms of a disease, or in
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  terms of Contracting, anything Lyme disease is not fun.
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  It is not the, the bee's knees, it is not the bananas pajamas or
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  whatever it sucks. It just it flat-out sucks, you
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  know. So if there's a long as you're
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  not a tick or as long as you're not a mosquito out there
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  listening then you're awesome. The rest of that the mosquitoes
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  in the ticks, you know, you guys can they can die, a horrible
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  death. Matter of fact that used to be
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  one of my I don't want to say Hobbies, but if ever, I found a
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  tick. On me.
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  Because again, I used to work and live in the outdoors quite
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  often. I would be out there.
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  You know, cutting wood, or cutting brush lines from
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  property lines, you know, cutting away all the undergrowth
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  and the overgrowth and things like that working on a farm for
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  a decade. You know, you're out there with
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  them. And they tend to attend to make
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  their themselves, they set up residence in places that you
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  would rather them not IE anywhere on the human body and I
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  would find one sometimes. After being out there, you know,
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  doing my chores and stuff and I would remove said Critter from
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  my body and I would find new and creative ways to destroy it, you
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  know? I would And it was like, you
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  know, how torturous can I be in? This was again, this is this is
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  a no way to try and reflect like that.
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  I would hurt Wildlife. You know what like that I'm
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  talking about ticks specifically, these things are
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  disastrous and I had a specific hatred for them.
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  So, I'm like me pull this sucker out with squeezers.
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  And then, let me let me cover it in Vaseline.
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  And smother it. And then let me pluck its legs
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  off and let me burn it with a, with the end of a needle or
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  safety pin or something. I was, I was getting pretty
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  creative, you know, I feel like if I had to interrogate a tick,
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  For anything, then I died have all the new and greatest and
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  exciting ways on on, extracting information from a tick, if that
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  were a thing, but that is not a thing.
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  What is a thing is today's episode, which we've got lined
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  up with a very good friend of mine near and dear friend of
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  mine. One whom I call it brother.
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  One of the few that I call brother, we're going to get into
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  some Randomness with Richard McKeon, who if you are not
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  familiar was one of the guests on the three.
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  Our anniversary live stream from midgard, musings, that was
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  livestream weeks ago on the midgard, musings YouTube
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  channel. So if you want to see here about
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  more from Richard head to the show notes of this episode or
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  just stick around because when we come back, we're going to
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  have some Random rambling, not maybe, just maybe not even all
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  Heathen related stuff. It's definitely going to be
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  some, you know, random, random ramblings for sure because
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  Richard is not a heathen, but he is one of the most Heathen, not
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  even said I know his values. His, you know, his approach to
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  life is world view, tends to kind of mirror or have some
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  similarities, and things, or two things that heathens at least
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  this particular even myself have adopted and he has been a part
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  of our tribes rituals and he is shared and sambal ritual and all
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  kinds of great things to tie weird with and establish weird
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  was. So we're going to get into some
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  fun random discussions. I hope you guys are excited
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  about this episode. Be sure to check the show notes
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  along the way or at the end of this podcast.
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  For more information, I've actually done a video with
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  Richard before the three-year anniversary thing that he was
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  featured as a guest on. So all that information is going
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  to be up in the show notes. And yeah, so you guys sit back
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  and enjoy the podcast with Richard McCune and until we
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  speak again, hail to you all. May your Hearth fires continue
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  to burn, bright. Enjoy the podcast, we'll talk
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  again soon. Hey everyone, thank you so much
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  podcast, midgard, musings. I am Jesse as I mentioned before
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  and I've got joined with me as I said before my good friend, my
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  brother from another mother, yeah, over there.
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  Yeah, you know, and like I mentioned before, guys, check
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  Not just the part of the maid Garden using three year
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  celebration livestream. You were you were rocking and
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  rolling with a bunch of other cool guests on that live stream
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  and then we also did a video sometime before that.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  They're just really good. And that one was fun to do it.
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  Kind of kind of put my Kind of kind of I never always taught to
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  by faith and my beliefs with other people and also the public
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  like that. So that was kind of like a test
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  of the water, just kind of sticking my foot in the cold
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  water for for a minute. Yeah.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  Just go in there. Like jump in and see how it
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  goes. Yeah.
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  And I think it turned out pretty pretty good.
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  I think I think it was fun and he They hopefully some people
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  found it a little bit inside pool.
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  And so yeah, yeah, I was down again morning.
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  It got a lot of good. Yeah.
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  I got a lot of good. Got a lot of good response.
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  I think you know for those that listen to the podcast maybe you
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  missed it on the YouTube channel.
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  The link for it will be in the show notes so definitely make
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  sure that you check it out because I want you guys to know
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  a little bit about, you know, what the whole bit is, what the
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  whole deal is with Richard. My Richards been and you know, a
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  friend of mine now for gosh like, Yeah.
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  Or five years. Maybe something like that.
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  I mean, we met through like the head along its thing and then.
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  Yeah. And then like, that was wrong
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  2015. And then I called think a couple
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  years went by and I was not in the Band anymore and then I we
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  just you lived in Murfreesboro. I didn't know that.
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  Then we just sort of sort of hanging A out and and just
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  became friends and and it over time, it just sort of developed
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  it kind of developing his big Brotherhood, you know, between
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  you and I and you know, and I'm really grateful for at all.
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  Yeah. For sure man.
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  Yeah, and that's the cool thing about it to like the way I The
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  friendships that I've developed over the years and I don't know
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  if you can find any sort of comparison to this but like you
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  know, friends come and go people that you've known over the
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  years, may not still be in your life.
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  Now to this day, you know that you met once before and then
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  there's there's those certain constants, you know, those
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  people that just regardless of like you could go like me and
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  you man, like I feel like you and I could go not that we ever
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  would like playing it but like I feel like you and I could go
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  years without talking to each other and then we'd reconnect
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  and it'd be like we just pick up where we left off.
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  Like that kind of connection with the human being in life is
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  so rare. I have like a small handful of
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  people. There is a guy that That I met
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  in my youth when I was living in New York and he's from Belarus.
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  Hmm. And we became very good friends
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  and then we lost connection. I really lost connection but we
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  never really stayed in touch for like a decade or more.
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  And then come to find out like he's living back in States.
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  Not only that. But he's living in Nashville now
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  and we Rica and it's like, man, we just picked up where we left
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  off. No, I was like it was like a
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  decade and a half went by and or nearly and it was almost like we
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  never stopped talking and I feel like you and I in the short time
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  relatively speaking that we've gotten to know each other that
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  there's a there's that level of connection you know that if
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  something were to happen and we just you know each other dropped
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  off the face of the map. We could read like we reconnect
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  pick right back up as though nothing had happened in between
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  and I feel like that's a truly rare and special.
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  Special. Yeah, action.
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  And and like I said, when we first met and started hanging
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  out, I lived I lived in Murfreesboro at the time and you
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  know and you know and you live there too.
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  And and then, you know, I met my fiancé Charlie and you know, we
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  live in Lebanon now, but we still hang out regularly even
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  though it's not like I mean before you and I were hanging
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  out. I like practically every
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  weekend, he was. Yeah, like like a, like, a
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  weekly thing. And even though it's not a
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  weekly thing, like it used to be, it's still, you know, when
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  we get together it's like we pick our robber left off, and
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  it's just go and, you know, yeah, I really think it's cool
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  too. Because Like, one of the things
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  that if, you know, anybody that's listening and watches
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  listen to the content ahead of, you know, to the show notes.
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  Like I said, some of the stuff that like Richard and I have
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  talked about, is that we are two very different people when it
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  comes to our You all call it, like religious views or
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  spirituality. You know, me being a pagan of
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  following kind of like a dramatic or Norse view of things
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  and you having a sort of. And, you know, I think it's an
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  interesting topic to talk about Richard because you even have a
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  label because, like, we've talked about, like, enochian
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  Keys. Yeah.
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  Magic, your you don't necessarily adhere to her adopt,
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  100% everything of it. You just have a lot of the
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  Effie's with that that you find valuable but is it eclectic is
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  but like I guess I guess the only really So for anybody who
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  wants to know I, you know, I read The Book of Enoch and that
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  which is fascinating about that. Yeah, that book kind of rarely.
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  helped me understand, you know, Christianity a little bit more
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  than before and then and I meant had a former roommate who
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  definitely practices 100% of the time, enochian magic, and that's
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  like her thing and you know, and she showed me some things along
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  the way and she was Kind of like a medium per se and then so she
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  kind of helped get me a little bit into that somewhat but for a
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  good while up until recently, I kind of got away from all that
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  enochian, magic. All those Nokia magic things and
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  just sort of focused on just philosophy and yeah.
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  Here until more like a world universal view of what I want to
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  have. My as my own faith I try not to
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  adhere to any specific faith that is.
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  I listen to things, I read things and I adopted into my own
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  and so I guess I could call myself like a universal Pagan or
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  Universal. Heathen spiritualist.
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  Yeah. I mentioned it earlier on the
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  podcast before you came on where, like, you're one of the
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  guys, you're one of the people in my life who, like, first of
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  all, brother, you know what I mean?
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  A friend and a brother. And for those that listen and
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  know me and the kind of approach that I have, I don't bestow
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  familial titles on people. But all willy-nilly.
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  You know what I mean? Like just because somebody
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  believes in the gods just because somebody's like yeah hey
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  load and that like that's not a Heat to familial connections,
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  you know? Like it's a whole lot different
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  in a You're the world. You of heathen re is is a whole
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  lot different in in part of learning, even he is developing
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  a worldview that is very unique and different than what a lot of
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  folks may be brought up. And like I mean I was brought up
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  Christian my world you for, you know, a couple decades was built
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  around that mentality and I mentioned in the before when you
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  before you came on was is that you are Of the people who I
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  think of, as the most Heathen, non Heathen that I know, because
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  you've been a part of our rituals.
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  Like you've been a part of some. Well you've been a part of our
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  like you land and things like that.
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  And I love the fact that you know this is a prime example.
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  What I like to try to you know coconut even ringing.
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  Yeah and I've even paid respect to your God's with the with the
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  during sambal and You know, things like that.
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  Like we do the Oaths and you know and both yes and and all
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  that sicko. Yeah yeah I think it's a great
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  example of how people of differing opinions on things can
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  co-exist amicably peacefully and actually you know, to be on just
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  amicably, right? Because, you know, you can be,
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  you can agree to disagree on a lot of things but like I feel
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  like a lot of What you and I have developed as a friendship
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  and as a sort of extension of our families over the years as
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  really, cultivated a holistic approach to spirituality and
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  just being a decent human being, right?
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  Because labels aside, I'm when I am and I follow what I do and
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  you are what you are and follow you do at the end of the day,
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  that doesn't stop us from being as close as we are.
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  The barriers are not so own that we Like there's nothing that I
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  believe that you're like, you know what, I just can't even do
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  with that man. And and vice versa, right?
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  Like we can not just get along but we can actually learn things
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  from each other and that's what I would love to see, right
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  happen is that, you know, what you can wisdom is wisdom
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  regardless of where it comes from and this is something that
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  gets mentioned in some of the Icelandic sagas are the Norse
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  sagas. Its wisdom is wisdom regardless
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  of where you find her, where it comes from, and that's a loose
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  paraphrase of it. But I think that with what Like
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  you Richard like some of what you've talked about in the past
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  that energy. Yeah, I mean it's just it is
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  what it is and it transcends labels, and it transcends, you
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  know, right? Because it's all it's all, you
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  know, energy is energy and yet it's it transcends, any religion
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  and like, you know, and if you can understand that then I think
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  It helps with everything else that you believe in.
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  So it was what you put into the world and, you know, put into
• 25:30
  the universe will return to you and kind you know that those are
• 25:35
  like to some people that might well that's kind of a basic
• 25:39
  Buddhist idea or concept you know, buzzer really if you think
• 25:45
  about it. I mean it's true.
• 25:48
  You know everything you put into your Religion.
• 25:51
  It's, you know, comes back and you know, and everything I put
• 25:55
  into in my faith comes Baguio, you know, Christianity, there's
• 25:59
  prayer, you know, you want to hear a, you know, like a
• 26:03
  response from you, hoping that God will hear your prayer and
• 26:07
  you will get a response. You know, that's putting your
• 26:11
  energies out into the world and matter, no matter how you cut
• 26:14
  it. And yeah, there's a lot of
• 26:18
  there's a lot of specific new Answers within Heathen re that
• 26:22
  depending on your approach, right?
• 26:24
  You know. So for those that are listening,
• 26:26
  when we talk about nuances and approaches the Heathen re, you
• 26:28
  know, nobody can officially be in a position to tell you how to
• 26:34
  Heathen unless, and there's a caveat to that because there's
• 26:40
  certain approaches to Heathen re that are very structured and are
• 26:43
  very not dogmatic, but that have a very like, Structured approach
• 26:52
  to, it has to be this way for it in order.
• 26:55
  In order for it to work, all right, I'm referring to someone
• 26:58
  like more like the Reconstructionist historical
• 27:01
  reconstructions types, which I myself am not one of.
• 27:04
  Although, a lot of what I take away from my own practices, it's
• 27:11
  on a lot of the historical seats of like there's, there's,
• 27:16
  there's a sense of solidity when you look at a historical
• 27:20
  approach, And we see this in a very variety of cultures, right?
• 27:24
  With religion and spirituality, you can look at, like, even if
• 27:27
  you wanted to go outside of heathen.
• 27:31
  We look at the Book of Enoch in enochian, keys, and enochian
• 27:35
  Magic, like, it's themes to hit within a certain group or
• 27:42
  certain demographic. I think Richard, you can
• 27:45
  probably speak more to this correctly, but like the, I don't
• 27:49
  know if this is accurate but He wants a like quote-unquote
• 27:51
  through, enochian beliefs, or whatever it resides or it comes
• 27:56
  back to Africa, or Ethiopia or somewhere in that region of the
• 28:02
  world. And yeah, maybe I don't know if
• 28:05
  you know anything or have any sort of insight that you want to
• 28:08
  speak to about that. But so so when it comes to the
• 28:11
  Ethiopia thinkers, you're talking about like they practice
• 28:18
  of very strict Christianity. Down there.
• 28:23
  Gotcha. And I don't really know all
• 28:27
  about it, but I do know that the adhere to the include the Book
• 28:32
  of Enoch and their teachings. So that is one of the only
• 28:38
  places in the world that uses that.
• 28:44
  Now there are might be a few places here in the United States
• 28:49
  where They might use a little bit of, you know, the Book of
• 28:54
  Enoch for like Sunday school or or just a little passage, you
• 29:00
  know. And right and but it's very
• 29:03
  looked down upon it's not, it's not Kansas and study, it's not
• 29:08
  the, they don't consider it Cannon.
• 29:12
  Sorry, Lucas film, where are you even saying?
• 29:19
  You know, it's not a king. James Bible.
• 29:21
  What do you mean? It's a good point, though,
• 29:34
  because I feel that there is so much that being raised as a
• 29:39
  Christian myself, right? And the type of Christianity
• 29:44
  that I was brought in brought up in Six to the King James version
• 29:50
  of the Bible, right? But man.
• 29:55
  Oh man like the gaps and the missus like if you were to those
• 30:01
  that are listening, you know, I'll try to include it in the
• 30:04
  show notes Book of Enoch there. There's audible readings of this
• 30:09
  like, yeah, listen to it on YouTube and stuff.
• 30:11
  Like, I remember Richard and I, we sat here, still here,
• 30:14
  whatever my house one night and we were Were streaming like this
• 30:19
  guy reading from The Book of Enoch and just funnel on my
• 30:23
  television. Honestly when I first read it,
• 30:25
  when I first show you we were drunk and I thought it was going
• 30:29
  to worry to death and nobody home and I never seen you.
• 30:34
  So engaged for real I mean for real because I'm like dude some
• 30:39
  of the stuff that you remember from the way you're brought up
• 30:42
  in and you know, look the fact that so much each of folks
• 30:48
  coming into Heathen re are arriving into this path.
• 30:54
  And carrying with them baggage from Christianity, right?
• 30:59
  Because look at how look at how much Christianity has an
• 31:02
  influence on the world. That's just the facts that
• 31:04
  people come into this and other religions am not just excluding
• 31:09
  or trying to, you know, keep out any others.
• 31:12
  But like so many people are are going coming from or coming into
• 31:17
  even rayon and other alternative spiritual and religious views of
• 31:21
  things from Christian. Any, right?
• 31:24
  Because listen to The Book of Enoch, man, or read it yourself,
• 31:27
  and you're like, oh yeah, when I read Genesis.
• 31:29
  So, when I read that, you know, like some of these Old Testament
• 31:33
  scripts that we have that existed in English, it fits in
• 31:38
  it or it feels rather I should say so many gaps.
• 31:41
  And that's why I was so engaged because I'm like, yeah, about
• 31:43
  that. And you go.
• 31:44
  Wow, this and you sit there and you wonder like why in the hell
• 31:47
  was this left out? Why was this excluded?
• 31:50
  And it Bears, the question, or We're brings about the question,
• 31:54
  is the why like why was this excluded?
• 31:58
  Why was this left out? I think.
• 32:00
  And I'm of the opinion that it was because There was just too
• 32:05
  much good that people could run with this and take something
• 32:09
  beyond what the church at the time was trying to an agenda as
• 32:12
  it were now that may be that may be, you know, just some kind of
• 32:16
  like, you know, because in folklore, there's your, he's
• 32:20
  battle. Yeah.
• 32:21
  Yeah. And throughout folklore history,
• 32:26
  there's always this battle between good and evil.
• 32:29
  And so, yeah, we see that same repeated, why?
• 32:33
  Why not Have that in the Bible as a showcase for the entire
• 32:41
  religion, you know, right. So when you read the, The Book
• 32:49
  of Enoch, any take it all in and there's no mention of hell and
• 32:56
  yeah, and without getting too involved.
• 32:59
  That's just plain and simple. They really goes in a way more
• 33:04
  detailed than that. Your and but there's not any
• 33:10
  mention of it at all whatsoever. And and as a matter of So the
• 33:17
  boat that I have the copy that I have, the author was really good
• 33:22
  and he pulled different classes or quotes that Enoch had said.
• 33:29
  And then later found it and in the New Testament where Jesus
• 33:36
  made the same exact quote, for me, not kind of alluding to the
• 33:40
  idea that maybe he you know respected Enoch or his teachings
• 33:48
  because you know, has a profit out I think you know and I guess
• 33:53
  like when work the the background that I come from is
• 33:56
  because like if you were to go to what existing Text that we
• 34:01
  have. Like if you were to go to the
• 34:02
  King, James Bible Old Testament. When you read about Enoch
• 34:06
  anywhere, it's passive. Like the mention of Enoch is
• 34:12
  like yeah. He was so and so and he was a
• 34:16
  guy and then he was a guy who walked with God and then he was
• 34:19
  taken up in the net was a it's so passive and then when you
• 34:22
  read The Book of Enoch and you see the visions that he had and
• 34:25
  then the subsequent the the Angelic language and the, you
• 34:32
  know key he's and all this kind of stuff like there is so much
• 34:35
  lore surrounding this guy that just got sort of written off as
• 34:37
  this like minor character in The Judea Christian lore you know
• 34:44
  and and I'm like why like there's so much left out that
• 34:48
  that fits like if you The Book of Enoch kind of fits into some
• 34:53
  of the other, you know, writings that you find in modern day,
• 34:59
  Christianity text and I'm going so, yeah.
• 35:04
  Where did it? Why like, why would you and it
• 35:06
  takes it, it ain't even taste it to a party.
• 35:09
  It's a rather than a more exaggerated Lee and I think.
• 35:13
  Yeah. And I think that, and I think
• 35:14
  that, again, me being the sort of like thinker that I am, I
• 35:17
  feel like it was it was excluded.
• 35:20
  Added from texts and things because that's the approach.
• 35:26
  There was a there's a definite like no other gods before me law
• 35:30
  and everything in the judeo Christian sector of things you
• 35:36
  know there shall be no other gods before me it's abrahamic
• 35:39
  law, this sort of thing, The Book of Enoch totally it
• 35:44
  discredits any of that? Because you're talking about a
• 35:47
  variety of angels deities. There's this, you know, Dynamic
• 35:52
  that totally defies a monotheistic approach to
• 35:56
  religion. Hmm, I think it's a, I think
• 35:59
  it's purely agenda based by The Book of Enoch is exclusively.
• 36:05
  It definitely raises those questions, you know.
• 36:07
  Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to be the
• 36:09
  one dead to answer that question.
• 36:11
  I really don't want to be that guy.
• 36:13
  That's the well, it's random, you know, I'm saying like, yeah,
• 36:15
  that guy, either fun. Hey, think about this sit.
• 36:20
  On this for a little while, let it marinate under your bunk and
• 36:24
  and think for yourself a little bit because, you know, again me
• 36:27
  being who I am and hearing what I heard and being where I'm from
• 36:30
  and doing what I do. Now I start, you know, two plus
• 36:33
  two equals six, you know Common Core math being the bitch that
• 36:39
  it is yes like yeah. This this doesn't make sense in.
• 36:44
  Why doesn't it make sense? Okay?
• 36:46
  Because you trying to pull a fast one, are you trying to
• 36:49
  trying to trying? Pull that a trying to pull that
• 36:52
  old, you trying to pull the Shocker on me, over here,
• 36:55
  without me knowing, you know what I'm saying.
• 36:58
  You know, saying he never expects a shocker that that
• 37:02
  yeah, you know, and the proverbial shocker, you know
• 37:05
  what I'm saying? You don't expect it, but uh,
• 37:09
  speaking of speaking of things that we don't expect, man often
• 37:13
  looks off topic but a little bit on topic.
• 37:17
  Yeah, out there listening there's this.
• 37:20
  This thing that I recently came across, and we're going to
• 37:25
  listen to it right now. So somewhere somewhere in and
• 37:29
  I'm not even going to say where, but I'm going to just go out on
• 37:32
  a limb and say probably somewhere in like Nebraska.
• 37:36
  Or somewhere in like Arkansas or somewhere in like, what's
• 37:42
  another picture is he wearing a corn on his head?
• 37:45
  It does. This guy's got it.
• 37:48
  Yeah, this guy's got a corn hat on and he's probably at least
• 37:51
  63. Maybe 72?
• 37:54
  I don't know. Because, you know, the deck, the
• 37:55
  decades, after the golden years, you know, how many 50 year olds,
• 38:01
  look like they're 70 and how many seven-year-olds look like?
• 38:03
  They're 50, right? We don't know this guy.
• 38:07
  This guy could be, this guy could be 47.
• 38:10
  This guy could be 93, we don't do that.
• 38:12
  But what we do know is that he's wearing a corn hat and what
• 38:16
  we're about to listen to. Yeah, is all ugh.
• 38:20
  Owen. Okay.
• 38:22
  And that's that's an official term.
• 38:24
  I think you were to you were to head over to the few here.
• 38:28
  If you were to head over to like shoot, I don't know, man.
• 38:33
  Like literally any more like you contest.
• 38:37
  Any barbecue area, if you were to like, you know, get a poll of
• 38:42
  people from any Midwestern to to South Eastern states of the
• 38:49
  United States. And there's probably a
• 38:51
  demographic that fits in all the work, as it got people listening
• 38:54
  to this crap about to watch our people and action.
• 38:58
  Exactly. You're about to listen to some.
• 39:00
  This is what it is. You got hog-callin, right?
• 39:02
  So people that need to Route rally up there.
• 39:04
  They're pigs. Yeah, Hogg calling but it's a it
• 39:09
  goes heavy metal. So this is the way it starts
• 39:11
  out, you're going to hear some. You're going to hear some people
• 39:13
  on a microphone. Displaying their hog calling
• 39:19
  skills, and they're going to be, there's going to be a backing
• 39:25
  track. That's some heavy metal guitar,
• 39:27
  some the Gent some again, some some some chugga-chugga,
• 39:31
  Griffey, riffy, you know, some all that.
• 39:33
  So this is what sounds like, here's what.
• 39:34
  Here's what you got. I started.
• 39:36
  All right, first, the first guy that starts off, he's like, I
• 39:38
  say he's wearing a corn hat, but here we, here we go.
• 39:52
  All right, hold on a sec. Just hold.
• 39:55
  Hold the hold the phone, right? Because the enthusiasm, right?
• 40:02
  First of all this man's all about calling them pigs piggy
• 40:07
  piggy. But does this not just like
• 40:10
  Richard, you know, like this isn't this like, have some like
• 40:12
  major like Well mix Vibes. Yeah.
• 40:18
  Alright but it's really the baselines.
• 40:22
  A book A book. It's like mr.
• 40:23
  Bungle meet Primus meets flummox and they all had an orgy in the
• 40:28
  in the shot out and then put this guy's vocals.
• 40:32
  Yeah. Right.
• 40:36
  This guy is all about it, man and got the bass lines, you
• 40:43
  know? Hello.
• 40:50
  He said, all right. Frankie the pigs got a name.
• 40:57
  Oh man, forget into the pit look.
• 41:00
  If when you start calling the pig by name, you better be ready
• 41:03
  to like throw some elbow down. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 41:07
  He calling you out. He said I think I see him.
• 41:13
  He's right there. Here Comes Frank.
• 41:17
  Yo. Frank, we know the pig's name is
• 41:21
  Frank because he's got that. He's got that he's got that Walt
• 41:26
  he's got that swans. Are you know Frank Pig?
• 41:29
  You know he doesn't just answer to that.
• 41:32
  Is that scream to that call? He swamp tours on up here like
• 41:36
  he always walking like walking down the catwalk.
• 41:38
  He's he's like the Honda on the catwalk.
• 41:41
  He's that is do that little turn on the catwalk for real.
• 41:48
  Here we go in. Then and then here comes the,
• 41:50
  here comes the, here comes the I don't know the coup de gras,
• 41:54
  it's a very long thing, but here we go.
• 42:02
  Come on Pig. oh, oh my gosh, he's all like word.
• 42:18
  I mean, just yeah, I can't do it.
• 42:22
  But man, this guy's dedicated. Let me tell you, this guy, this
• 42:26
  guy that you guys can't see, because you're listening, this
• 42:30
  guy has got the wraparound Shades.
• 42:32
  Like, he's Dale Earnhardt. Jr.
• 42:34
  'S egg like, the, the nut that came from Dale, Earnhardt,
• 42:41
  exemplified in the human being like the wraparound shades.
• 42:44
  It's the the the trimmed bowl cut the college a whole.
• 42:49
  Oh Dad. He's got, he's got, he's got
• 42:52
  that, you know, Alabama, tan going on, where he's got more
• 42:55
  red on his skin than anything because of that.
• 42:57
  You know, so many roles. I've been likes to roll Tide.
• 43:01
  Everybody does to roll time. He rolls all the tides but
• 43:05
  listen to that. Look at this.
• 43:06
  Is that pig squeal? Yeah I mean he could he could be
• 43:10
  in a grindcore band today. Yeah, cannibal Looks cannibal
• 43:17
  horns, Hannibal. You know, he could be, he could
• 43:20
  be in a grindcore band called, I don't know.
• 43:22
  Just, you know, diapers explosion or something.
• 43:26
  Yeah, justjust sewage explosives or something.
• 43:30
  Some ridiculous name, like he's got the grindcore, inhale, Pig
• 43:33
  squeals going on Legit with it, with his collared Polo and his
• 43:39
  and his, you know, it's middle of May.
• 43:42
  It's the beginning of June. I got a son.
• 43:44
  Burn because I've been stuck in the house for stressing, the
• 43:47
  eight months. Yeah, I have an idea.
• 43:50
  We need to have our own Tennessee, Heathen.
• 43:55
  Read hog-calling contest on your on, on one of your On one ear.
• 44:03
  Next pot Futurama. Yeah, it this is a call to
• 44:06
  action. Anybody that's yeah.
• 44:08
  See that thinks they can do better than this listen to
• 44:10
  listen to the listen to the rest of this.
• 44:16
  He's all right. He didn't have the longevity
• 44:20
  though, that I can do it, but he doesn't have the.
• 44:23
  He doesn't have the stamina. He's just like, I'm done.
• 44:26
  I'm out. It's all he needs.
• 44:28
  Here we go with So with the white T-shirt freaking, you
• 44:37
  know, receding hairline, no 43 year-old.
• 44:41
  I just, you know, paid off my Ford F-150.
• 44:47
  Yeah. Cut, you know, love and life
• 44:49
  here in in Tulsa. Oklahoma looking self right with
• 44:55
  the Sioux. Here we go.
• 45:08
  Now, we're getting into it now. We're getting to the snorts now.
• 45:10
  We're getting now, these people like I'm trying to connect with
• 45:13
  the animal trying to gore getting swampy again, singing
• 45:16
  they are the get into good chuggy and they're getting
• 45:18
  swampy. They're they're touching on that
• 45:20
  nasal. Yeah stuff man, they're getting
• 45:23
  the nasal passage We doing some of them in.
• 45:30
  Here we go. Oh man.
• 45:38
  Okay, now now hold on a minute because I know now we're about
• 45:41
  to get into now we're getting to the cream of the crop when I say
• 45:44
  cream. I'm talking about creamed corn.
• 45:46
  Okay? Talking about, I'm talking about
• 45:48
  some sickle gravy. Okay, all right.
• 45:52
  Yeah, some slop. You know, how anybody out here?
• 45:55
  That knows about feeding pigs, but you gotta go, you gotta go
• 45:58
  out in slop pigs, right? Yeah, this is this is some slap
• 46:01
  right here. Everything that we've heard up
• 46:03
  to this point is leading to the point.
• 46:06
  Okay? This is what we got going on
• 46:07
  right here. This is this is this is that
• 46:09
  probably as best as it gets, check this out, right?
• 46:20
  Okay I'm going to look this this this all broad right here.
• 46:24
  This is so broad is like straight up from you know it's
• 46:29
  like down-home likes. You know that song?
• 46:31
  Sweet Home Alabama. Yeah it's a broad right here.
• 46:35
  This is Sweet Home Nebraska man because she's she's getting into
• 46:39
  it. Not only is she like Doing the
• 46:42
  voice and everything but like she's like, embracing the, the
• 46:46
  behavior man. Like she's getting all like
• 46:48
  fought. Like, she's getting their all to
• 46:50
  put your body into it. Yeah, she's yeah, she's good.
• 46:53
  These are putting that he's like, for real.
• 47:12
  Look man. She was cutting the mic that you
• 47:13
  guys can't see it but like he was like help in the mic like
• 47:17
  embroiled hands. Not just one hand cupping to
• 47:19
  Mike. She was like, oh, hands cup of
• 47:21
  mixed going on was gonna call you.
• 47:23
  Yeah, yeah, yes. Core pig, squealing all calling
• 47:28
  legit. Nebraska, you should be proud.
• 47:44
  Yeah, because this old gal right here, man.
• 47:47
  She's bringing it home. You guys won the trophy for this
• 47:50
  single and ready to mingle on tender farmersonly.com and got
• 47:56
  nothing on this old gal. Oh, what the fuck?
• 48:01
  She said, she's dirty wait. Wait, hold on, hold on, let me
• 48:08
  back up. I like to get dirty.
• 48:17
  Oh God. Roll around in the mud.
• 48:22
  She ain't scared. Yeah, so bad.
• 48:25
  That sounds. That's how bad Nebraska wants
• 48:27
  this trophy. Oh man, she went there she went
• 48:35
  That's all folks, he went, she went Porky Pig, you know what?
• 48:38
  Yeah that's it that's it. If it wins that's it you can't
• 48:43
  end it with with a Porky Pig catchphrase and not win.
• 48:48
  The hog-calling contest of whatever this was wherever this
• 48:53
  was like that's it. Solidly definitely this is
• 48:57
  definitely makes me want to do. Yeah.
• 48:59
  A contest of our own like It's like, we need to do this.
• 49:05
  Like what do I got to do? Man?
• 49:08
  What I've got to do it like what are we gonna do?
• 49:10
  I'm a bit. I'm flabbergasted by the fact
• 49:14
  that this sort of thing exists and this is kind of goes to show
• 49:18
  you, right? Folks.
• 49:19
  We talked about random Heathen ramblings.
• 49:21
  Like this is the kind of Randomness that happens, man.
• 49:24
  Man, we just, we just listened to just some, some, some people.
• 49:28
  Yeah. So this is like, who like Of all
• 49:32
  like, what do you win? What do you mean?
• 49:34
  It's a hog-calling contest which means there's a prize, which
• 49:39
  means people. So, I got to talk about this
• 49:44
  thing that you and I talked about before we went on the air.
• 49:50
  So years and years ago, when I was just a little deck, I was
• 49:55
  on, I was involved in a Miss Piggy contest in Jackson,
• 50:00
  Tennessee. And it had it was like we just
• 50:05
  listened to you. Late 80s, early 90s.
• 50:08
  Okay was my mother and I and it was a Miss Piggy and Junior kind
• 50:13
  of thing. And we did like a bunch of lines
• 50:19
  exchange that was like scripted. And then we went into the song
• 50:24
  and we danced to Rollin on a river at the Tina.
• 50:27
  Turner version, the I can't in a home and Man.
• 50:33
  Yeah, it was pure gold and everything else that I have on
• 50:37
  this video is pure gold because before the Miss Piggy contest,
• 50:42
  there was a hog-calling contest and there was a guy who sounded
• 50:46
  just like Axl Rose. And if we can do a video to that
• 50:52
  guy and Welcome to the Jungle, be perfect and you know what you
• 50:58
  have to do now, right? You're going to have to, you're
• 51:00
  going to have to touch base. Again with me with that and
• 51:04
  we're going to need to at least let the listeners hear this.
• 51:06
  Because when you start talking about a Miss Piggy and Junior
• 51:12
  thing in Jackson, Tennessee, and in that, it was an actual,
• 51:15
  hog-calling contest. And that there was a guy that
• 51:17
  Senate Axl Rose. I mean, come on.
• 51:19
  Like the people want to hear it. The people gotta do, they got.
• 51:22
  I gotta know, I gotta know. And also in the video like
• 51:26
  throughout the video, my uncle was in it and he had just gotten
• 51:30
  back from Back during the during the Desert Storm.
• 51:36
  Yeah. And so this was like 1992 ish
• 51:40
  and he had he was wearing the guard from like the Middle East
• 51:46
  from like Saudi Arabia. He had like, the he had the
• 51:50
  headdress on and everything. Okay.
• 51:53
  He was going around to my family.
• 51:55
  Yeah, he was. He was saying, like, I knew she
• 51:58
  and was just ranting all the judges and During this barbecue
• 52:04
  contest and he's going like I just doing the and just like
• 52:10
  saying a bunch of this random gibberish, you know.
• 52:14
  Yeah, and there was a next to him was these were these like he
• 52:20
  very redneck. Barbecue competitor that had
• 52:28
  the. Can they have the Confederate
• 52:29
  flag up? And this is, yeah, the nullity,
• 52:31
  right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:32
  That would direct, I'm a direct descendant of, yeah, of.
• 52:37
  So, they hugs clients? So behind.
• 52:39
  So, in this video, there's a scene where he's talking, the
• 52:42
  Ameren right behind me. Were these redneck guys that had
• 52:46
  like the Confederate flag and everything.
• 52:48
  It was draped down, like behind him and everything, he's just
• 52:52
  carrying on you. Going to align.
• 52:54
  These guys are like coming up on them, giving these weird loads
• 52:57
  of like, I'm going to get you boy and it was welcome to
• 53:02
  Tennessee to whole. The whole video is like from
• 53:06
  start to finish just pure gold but like, I'll definitely trim
• 53:10
  it down to where I could send you the Miss Piggy and Junior
• 53:14
  and the hog-calling contest. Yes.
• 53:17
  Yeah, and maybe we can do something with that.
• 53:21
  I'm gonna bail on it. Yeah, you can joke about it.
• 53:24
  Yeah man. Yeah, let's do it.
• 53:27
  Let's let's have that and that's the thing, right?
• 53:30
  Like like for those that are listening like you're missing
• 53:33
  out on the visual aspects of it but come on.
• 53:36
  How do you like even if you're just drunk driving down the road
• 53:40
  right now, you didn't work. You coming back from work,
• 53:42
  you're doing whatever, you're making breakfast for the kids,
• 53:46
  whatever. You know, we got people
• 53:47
  listening all over the world. Whenever this comes out, you
• 53:49
  guys are listening to just Pure random Heathen rambling, gold.
• 53:54
  Yeah. And that sounds like it's right
• 53:56
  up the alley. So yeah, we definitely got to
• 53:58
  have you back on for that everybody that wants to hear
• 54:03
  more about it up. Folk the podcast episode call me
• 54:08
  on the hotline 61 5. 6 7 1983 to on the midgard musings.
• 54:13
  Hotline shoot me a voice, message on the anchor at
• 54:16
  whatever. Just let me know.
• 54:17
  Like let's let's do this man. Like we want to hear this type
• 54:21
  of stuff. Is this is this one Speaking of
• 54:24
  ho? Yeah, yes.
• 54:26
  I've got another kind of weird one.
• 54:28
  You guys know about. Aha, right?
• 54:34
  The Take On Me. Take me on like the whole thing
• 54:39
  from like the 80s butter, right? or whatever, but this is a This
• 55:01
  is the crack out music and it's only about a minute, 25 seconds,
• 55:08
  long minute and a half tops, but this is the track without music,
• 55:11
  right? So here we go.
• 55:17
  Are you sitting here looking at the thanks for the coffee?
• 55:34
  There's no music. She grabs the hand.
• 55:38
  You get sucked into the newspaper.
• 55:59
  This the bad news is the bad like drum track like the snare
• 56:05
  and yeah you just like you're here but there's no there's no
• 56:10
  real Rhythm to anything. You just like Kind of in this.
• 56:13
  Like so remember remember when they used to do like Kiss shreds
• 56:18
  and all the PS This shreds videos?
• 56:21
  Yeah. This is kind of like that.
• 56:23
  It's kind of like that, right? Yeah.
• 56:28
  It's like honks - that's for him.
• 56:39
  I'm sorry, but like so he says, shut up.
• 56:47
  Blake. Hold on.
• 57:01
  I got a I got a pause for just a second just because of the hold
• 57:07
  on let me be a backup because I'm losing it weight
• 57:25
  without any music without any context, right?
• 57:27
  You just it's like there's this chaos that's going on and you're
• 57:30
  stuck in this. Newspaper world
• 57:54
  in the real world. So count newspaper versus 20.
• 58:05
  Selfie struggling. He's struggling to get between
• 58:09
  the Realms, man. I'm stuck in the newspaper
• 58:12
  round. I'm trying to get back to the
• 58:13
  real world. Dude, looking like he's the, the
• 58:22
  wish version of Patrick Swayze in road.
• 58:24
  Yeah. And that was it, that was it,
• 58:35
  that's great. I'm sorry, man, but like that
• 58:39
  was, I liked that video, just transitioned into an uncle,
• 58:43
  Roger video, whatever you guys listen to be like, man, like the
• 58:46
  guy was just I'm sorry, I'm sorry for, I'm sorry, for that
• 58:53
  level of Randomness because it seems to go off on some sort of
• 58:57
  weird level of things, man. But uh, oh yeah, let's let's
• 59:03
  let's get weird, right? Let's like, let's get weird on
• 59:06
  it. Yeah, I told you.
• 59:08
  I do Lola. I said this is today is what
• 59:16
  pagans Cans in enochian, folks, Vixen mixing weird or tie and
• 59:22
  we're together, you get, you know, hog-callin videos and aha
• 59:26
  videos for Take On Me Without music.
• 59:29
  That's what you get. And yeah, you got a dick to come
• 59:34
  on the podcast. I mean, yeah, there's, you know
• 59:38
  if anybody wanted to or not, if anybody was like this, you know,
• 59:44
  unsolicited dick pics. That's an unfair.
• 59:49
  I was soliciting but I solicited.
• 59:52
  This one is solicit and the solicitation of sort of how dare
• 1:00:05
  you. How dare you, how dare we say
• 1:00:08
  things? Man, that's great.
• 1:00:16
  The metal hog-calling. I didn't know.
• 1:00:18
  That was a thing right now on YouTube, but then again, it's
• 1:00:21
  the internet. So it is, I'm going to, I'm
• 1:00:24
  going to add it to the show notes because I found it on
• 1:00:26
  Facebook, you know, for any listeners that don't get into
• 1:00:29
  Facebook, which is probably a very Niche group.
• 1:00:34
  I'm sorry. But you heard it here first?
• 1:00:37
  Yeah, maybe not first, but you heard it here so you know, you
• 1:00:42
  just look up. Hog-calling goes Online.
• 1:00:47
  And I'm almost guaranteed to say that they're probably exists
• 1:00:51
  some sort of like subreddit read or something somewhere.
• 1:00:55
  If you're not on Facebook or whatever, it'll be linked in the
• 1:00:58
  in the show notes of the podcast, if you want to go and
• 1:01:02
  listen to the whole thing. But I'm sure there's got to be
• 1:01:06
  more videos, there's got to be more, there's got to be more
• 1:01:08
  platforms where it's it's out there but I don't know, man.
• 1:01:14
  That last one though, I'm sorry that I lost it so bad.
• 1:01:17
  We're it's like shut up. It's it's just absolute chaos.
• 1:01:20
  For there's like the lady screaming in the cats like rats.
• 1:01:38
  Let me just let me just choose some noodles in your ear, you
• 1:01:41
  know, like crumble up some styrofoam.
• 1:01:44
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Like the most abrasive sounds that you can pause.
• 1:01:49
  ASMR be damned. You know, you just yeah.
• 1:01:53
  What is the most annoying sound in the world?
• 1:01:55
  Like, oh, you got, you got, you got Nails on a chalkboard.
• 1:01:59
  Oh no. There, I've got some news paper
• 1:02:02
  crumbling or I got some You know, cats, yammering or
• 1:02:07
  whatever. And yeah, it's just and a lady
• 1:02:10
  occasionally going, mmm, right? She was sad as it sounded like
• 1:02:15
  she was satisfied, right? You like like satisfied with the
• 1:02:19
  annoying sounds? Yeah, more of that, hmm.
• 1:02:26
  The speaking of ladies and being satisfied, oh the random stanza
• 1:02:32
  from the Hall of them all that. We have selected two Today, I've
• 1:02:37
  been on those lines like so on those lines.
• 1:02:41
  But off those lines, there's a bit of a Twist to this sort of
• 1:02:47
  thing. Is everybody knows that listens
• 1:02:49
  to the podcast, we do a random stanza from the Hall of them.
• 1:02:52
  All discussion are talking about and it's usually just me like
• 1:02:58
  picking random stanza and it's offered my own thing but now
• 1:03:01
  that we've got The illustrious, Richard McCune on here to hear
• 1:03:07
  the dialogue, we're going to get an outsider's or external
• 1:03:12
  opinion. So this is the 91st stanza
• 1:03:18
  stanza, 91 from the Hall of them all and I read from various
• 1:03:22
  translations of the Jamon, usually, they all tie in the
• 1:03:25
  usually all mean roughly the same thing.
• 1:03:28
  It's just the verbiage or how it's delivered.
• 1:03:33
  So we've got Auden and Taylor, the phone under ottoman Taylor
• 1:03:37
  translation all in their translation.
• 1:03:41
  The warping Ray. Terry Bellows and Jackson
• 1:03:48
  Crawford. So there's going to be like
• 1:03:51
  seven different translations that we hear from.
• 1:03:55
  We're going to talk about it just a little bit.
• 1:03:57
  So I'll start with the ottoman Taylor translation and this is
• 1:04:02
  stanza 91 from the Hall of them all. which says Naked I may
• 1:04:07
  speak now or I know both, Men are treacherous too.
• 1:04:15
  Fairest, we speak when all cyst we think many a maid is deceive.
• 1:04:25
  The hall under translation reads, heed my words.
• 1:04:29
  Now, for I know them both Mains. Mains weren't our men to women.
• 1:04:36
  We speak most fair, when most foul, our thoughts, or what
• 1:04:42
  Wiles? The, where is the width?
• 1:04:47
  Very translation, reads. Believe what?
• 1:04:49
  I say? I know them both men.
• 1:04:52
  Don't keep Faith with women. He speak Fair words.
• 1:04:55
  When we think most falsely to be wilder, the widths of the wise,
• 1:05:03
  The Thorpe translation reads openly.
• 1:05:05
  I now speak because I both sexes.
• 1:05:09
  No unstable or men's Minds towards women.
• 1:05:13
  His then we speak most fairer when we most falsely think.
• 1:05:18
  That deceives even cautious. Bellows reads.
• 1:05:25
  Clear now will I speak for? I know them both men false to
• 1:05:30
  women around when fairest we speak Then Fall stiffest pulses,
• 1:05:35
  that we think against wisdom, we work with the seat.
• 1:05:42
  He Oliver Brave translation is actually stanza 89, which is a
• 1:05:47
  couple of stanzas off. We see this theme repeated in
• 1:05:49
  the Hall of them all numerous times.
• 1:05:52
  But the the sentiment is similar now plainly.
• 1:05:54
  I speak. Since both I have seen
• 1:05:56
  Unfaithful is man to made. We speak them fairest, thoughts
• 1:06:01
  are falsest and pile, the wisest of hearts.
• 1:06:07
  And then to finish it up is the Jackson Crawford version of this
• 1:06:11
  stanza as found in The Wanderers of them.
• 1:06:14
  All and his translation reads I'll speak plainly.
• 1:06:18
  Now since I know both went men and women.
• 1:06:23
  Men lie, the women we speak most eloquently when we tell the
• 1:06:29
  biggest lies and seduce even wise women with lies.
• 1:06:38
  Now, again, the theme across seven different translations of
• 1:06:44
  the same stanza. Pretty much deliver a common
• 1:06:52
  idea, right? And I think it's interesting to
• 1:06:55
  note that you know, when it comes to relationships, when it
• 1:07:03
  comes to The Battle of the Sexes as it were right.
• 1:07:07
  A lot of the staying or a lot of the a lot of the feedback comes
• 1:07:16
  from like you. Ladies a bunch of hos, y'all
• 1:07:18
  Bunch, you know I'm saying like they did it, the feminine tends
• 1:07:22
  to get a the the largest flak brought on them, you know.
• 1:07:27
  Well, but I feel like, you know what we're hearing here is that
• 1:07:32
  You know. You know, we if you were to read
• 1:07:37
  the the surrounding stanzas that precede this one, you're going
• 1:07:42
  to hear a lot of disdain being brought on the women were
• 1:07:45
  brought on the ladies because of context around it.
• 1:07:49
  Odin at this time of the, of the stanzas of the Harbour Mall was
• 1:07:53
  like this bitch. You know, she was being a
• 1:07:56
  certain way and I India, he's it's like there's this
• 1:07:59
  vocalization of this thing towards women and how they're
• 1:08:02
  not to be trusted. Because they know they're there
• 1:08:05
  their hearts are are woven on threads of like there.
• 1:08:10
  There's so much like allegory tied to like symbology and
• 1:08:14
  things. But yet in this stanza, We hear
• 1:08:18
  that, you know what men are just as bad at times because we tend
• 1:08:23
  to speak a good game. We want to win appealing to the
• 1:08:29
  womenfolk ER or to those that we want to impress, right on the
• 1:08:34
  bravest on the strongest, on the wisest, on the richest Of The
• 1:08:37
  Dashing of the daring, I'm the bestest on the greatest, you
• 1:08:40
  know? Speak mad game, right?
• 1:08:45
  And then when it comes down to it, There's not a whole lot left
• 1:08:50
  there and there's there's things to be learned.
• 1:08:53
  I think from both masculine and The Feminine, it's not until
• 1:08:57
  after you have one heart. Of that individual that you
• 1:09:04
  really truly know things about them, and that takes time.
• 1:09:10
  I feel, you know, so for those, I feel that think that the
• 1:09:17
  themes of the Hall of mul tend to degrade or speak down to
• 1:09:22
  feminine or womenfolk or whatever.
• 1:09:25
  There's there's recognition here that men or as equally The
• 1:09:33
  testable at times, you can be some, we we can be some real
• 1:09:38
  a-holes, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, we can.
• 1:09:42
  And it's not just the fact that, you know, women are this, women
• 1:09:47
  are that there's, you know, the separation between genders or
• 1:09:51
  the definition between genders, at the time was something
• 1:09:55
  different, but you know, especially now in today's
• 1:09:59
  society, the traditions of cording or so much, Different.
• 1:10:07
  Yeah they are aren't they do like they, you know, that was
• 1:10:10
  something I was gonna maybe touch on, you know and because
• 1:10:17
  you know if this was said, Out loud and, you know, public, you
• 1:10:27
  know, on a which it kind of is right now.
• 1:10:29
  This is kind of is right now. I'm saying this out loud in
• 1:10:32
  public, right? Oh yeah, so man, get me but I
• 1:10:43
  think I can find out if you were saying this in front of a large
• 1:10:47
  group of women, it would probably B. taken in a different
• 1:10:56
  way, you know, Andy because Society and Norms have changed
• 1:11:07
  over the years, you know, women do, you know women's roles have
• 1:11:14
  changed, you know, there's really strong women out there,
• 1:11:18
  you know, who were hard and get paid just as well as men do.
• 1:11:24
  And, you know, women who take who are single mothers and take
• 1:11:31
  care of, you know, too. sometimes three kids, and So it
• 1:11:39
  can be now. I think like, sorry.
• 1:11:42
  I like I think like, you know, when we talk about like the role
• 1:11:45
  of women and the role of the feminine nowadays, we were like
• 1:11:50
  the the positive things you're talking about like women can and
• 1:11:55
  in the professional sector or in like, you know, you can earn as
• 1:12:00
  much as a man or you can, you know, they're doing all these
• 1:12:03
  things, you know, single mothers, raising children, stuff
• 1:12:05
  like that, to me, that's X to the power and the strength that
• 1:12:11
  inherently is there in the feminine.
• 1:12:17
  In womenfolk, so much of modern society at least in American
• 1:12:23
  society has placed this I think unnecessary Exaltation on and
• 1:12:30
  like yes there are things that I feel in certain societies men
• 1:12:36
  are positioned to do in that are that are more equipped to do,
• 1:12:40
  but it's not too, it's not, it's not in the it's not to the
• 1:12:43
  content, the it's not the extent, I should say, it's not
• 1:12:48
  the extent of like can't do it. Is that everyone has a role in
• 1:12:52
  society. Everyone has important role and
• 1:12:54
  the women and The Feminine a van. such a strong and important
• 1:12:59
  role in society and in the family unit, especially that
• 1:13:02
  like we talking about, You know, the challenges of providing for
• 1:13:08
  a home and raising children. All these sort of things, the
• 1:13:11
  strength that women inherently are given I feel, as is
• 1:13:17
  underappreciated and underwhelmed in modern society.
• 1:13:20
  Like it's maybe not underwent an underappreciated like this whole
• 1:13:25
  thing. Just kind of sheds a light on
• 1:13:27
  the treachery or the or the Diabolical.
• 1:13:29
  Knits of a man trying to impress women like Oh, I'm a man, I do
• 1:13:35
  this. That for her.
• 1:13:36
  Look at me, but see it. Now, more in modern society,
• 1:13:39
  where it's like, there's that those lines are, you know, maybe
• 1:13:43
  not so quite, but also got the first, the first part that you
• 1:13:49
  read a kind of token, a kind of to both in a different way when
• 1:13:56
  he's especially the first the very first one translation that
• 1:14:01
  you read the very very first one.
• 1:14:05
  Where man stands naked naked. I may speak now for I know,
• 1:14:12
  right? So when I hear that message,
• 1:14:17
  like that's a very Like here I am and baring it all
• 1:14:24
  invulnerable honorable and speaking the truth because when
• 1:14:30
  I don't is very obvious, you know?
• 1:14:34
  You can take that as well. You know, like I think when men
• 1:14:39
  tell the truth, we are baring it all. and when we lie, It is.
• 1:14:50
  I lie very poorly. I'm will that is something I am.
• 1:14:56
  Totally afraid totally willing to admit, right?
• 1:15:01
  So when I, when I speak and and talk to people, I come from an
• 1:15:09
  honest place and that and so I'm I made look, come across as
• 1:15:14
  being a little vulnerable. and that's very common, amongst men
• 1:15:21
  today, you know, as because With every with every positive there
• 1:15:30
  is unfortunately a - and you served every coin.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah. And you know So there's always
• 1:15:41
  going to be, you know, a person out there who does not like man
• 1:15:49
  you know and people who are very feminist have different feminist
• 1:15:56
  few points and use it to use it in a negative way rather than a
• 1:16:03
  positive way and take advantage of that.
• 1:16:08
  Vulnerability and richer. We see that like all the time
• 1:16:16
  and it happens to a lot of people person on a personal
• 1:16:19
  level. You know it's happened to me.
• 1:16:23
  Sure it's happened to you it's because we Barrel, you know.
• 1:16:30
  Yeah. I think there's I think there's
• 1:16:31
  a lot of I think with this stanza, you know, like it's
• 1:16:38
  hitting on, it's hitting a nerve that is again.
• 1:16:40
  If you were to take it in context with stanzas that appear
• 1:16:43
  before this, it's like it's hitting on the women folk.
• 1:16:46
  Like it's women are this when we're that can't trust them,
• 1:16:50
  they're their emotions are woven on threads there, their poverty
• 1:16:53
  block and then all of a sudden you got this one.
• 1:16:55
  That's just like oh yeah. By the way guys you're not
• 1:16:59
  exempt. You also can be a bunch of
• 1:17:02
  a-holes because you want to talk a big game.
• 1:17:05
  You want to do want to end an Amur, the the women or whatever,
• 1:17:09
  you know. So, genders aside rolls aside.
• 1:17:13
  This I think this stanza particularly really speaks to
• 1:17:17
  the An ability of Manatee, right?
• 1:17:25
  So like, regardless of woman, regardless of a man, or how, how
• 1:17:30
  one would identify there are things that are just inherently
• 1:17:36
  human nature that can sometimes and quite often be Detrimental
• 1:17:42
  to the development of a relationship.
• 1:17:45
  We live in a, such a progressive time nowadays where roles are a
• 1:17:49
  little bit, muddled dinner or identities and stuff there that
• 1:17:53
  the lines are not quite so clearly defined and I'm not in
• 1:17:55
  any position and I don't promote anything on this platform to be
• 1:18:00
  and you know one side left or right, one side, or the other
• 1:18:04
  role that you know I'm saying. Like so I feel like this this
• 1:18:07
  just kind of encompasses and Embraces.
• 1:18:09
  The fact that That nobody is in modern times, at least Society
• 1:18:15
  was flawed thousands of years ago and you gotta think and
• 1:18:19
  taken to context where these writings and where these stanzas
• 1:18:23
  come from was in a society that was, you know, 1000 1200,
• 1:18:26
  whatever years old, I did you see different back then and now
• 1:18:31
  we're applying these teachings. These thoughts these ideas into
• 1:18:35
  modern time, we don't, we don't stand Guiltless, ladies and
• 1:18:39
  gentlemen. Boys and girls and non-binary.
• 1:18:43
  It had to be like, it's all out there and, you know, people just
• 1:18:47
  can inherently. People can just be some real
• 1:18:49
  Prix at times. And I think that another thing
• 1:18:54
  you could maybe take from this messages, you know, to be honest
• 1:18:59
  with your, with your loved one. In says, they will always know
• 1:19:04
  when you're lying, you know, or not, you're not being honest.
• 1:19:10
  As this true. So I guess if you want to take a
• 1:19:15
  modern approach to this message, that's where I would take it,
• 1:19:22
  you know. Right.
• 1:19:23
  I mean you can try to break it down and this this like we were
• 1:19:27
  doing but it really at the end of the day that's I think this
• 1:19:34
  is what that message means to us, you know today, you know,
• 1:19:41
  Yeah. Now I like the analysis and I
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  like the breakdown of it as shared from two different people
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  that have two different approaches to life.
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  That have two different seemingly, Different World Views
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  on life. And yet, we can find a common
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  ground in re on so many things. So, I think, the one of the big
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  takeaways from it is that out of all the randomness out of all
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  the things. Like, here's a, here's a living
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  breathing example, for those that are listening that You
• 1:20:11
  know, you don't have to be so. Restricted in your approach
• 1:20:16
  things and you don't have to be so restrictive in your inclusion
• 1:20:20
  with things. Yeah, been a really to, you
• 1:20:25
  know, if you're, you know, if you follow this North's Heathen
• 1:20:29
  re Germanic paganism type of path doesn't mean you're
• 1:20:35
  restricted to only friends who are follow that that a specific
• 1:20:40
  path. I mean you you can talk to
• 1:20:42
  anybody about anything. You know, when you have a good
• 1:20:47
  friendship. Yeah, you know, that's those are
• 1:20:50
  the, what makes friendship good and Lasting is being able to You
• 1:20:58
  know, I have this relationship, you know, where we can talk or
• 1:21:02
  two different paths and, but yet, we can come together and
• 1:21:08
  cross and share ideas. You know, is where it's pretty
• 1:21:12
  rare, it's pretty rare, but I mean, doesn't mean it can
• 1:21:17
  happen. More can't happen.
• 1:21:19
  More often than mean, you just gotta trust yourself and put
• 1:21:23
  yourself out there to the universe and You know, and
• 1:21:28
  Universal responding kind, you know?
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  Yeah. so, you know, for a long time I was you know living in
• 1:21:39
  and Murfreesboro I lived in Murfreesboro for good many years
• 1:21:44
  since 2004 and and before I'm, I never had, I've had a few
• 1:21:52
  acquaintances here and there hit and miss, but like not, I really
• 1:21:56
  good. Solid friend, just outside of
• 1:22:01
  the people that I small circle, I really knew and and I kind of
• 1:22:09
  was wanting that I was putting myself out there that I really
• 1:22:12
  wanted that and and it happened You know, yeah.
• 1:22:22
  Yeah, man. This is, this is a super fun
• 1:22:24
  episode. Oh yeah, I hope, I hope
• 1:22:27
  everybody. That's listen to it has or will,
• 1:22:30
  you know? Find find some value to it
• 1:22:34
  because I've had a great time and I appreciate you Richard
• 1:22:38
  taking the time to be a part of it always and and you're always
• 1:22:42
  welcome here. Yo, and I'm always at, oh, yeah,
• 1:22:49
  yeah, yeah. Now I'm always want to talk them
• 1:22:56
  out about my beliefs as long as people want to want to hear it,
• 1:23:02
  you know. So I think it'd be a fun thing
• 1:23:04
  to do, some more stuff about that, you know, in a little
• 1:23:08
  deeper. Yeah, for sure is again, these
• 1:23:12
  are random Heathen ramblings and so we get as random as as you've
• 1:23:15
  heard it tonight and more things come.
• 1:23:18
  So for everybody that's listening, thank you so much.
• 1:23:21
  Be sure to check the show notes of the podcast to follow, along
• 1:23:27
  with the videos that I've done with Richard, including the, the
• 1:23:31
  live stream and the separate video that him and I have done,
• 1:23:35
  I'll be sure to include YouTube links or The Book of Enoch
• 1:23:40
  because like I said, if you're interested in, if you're
• 1:23:42
  intrigued you guys. It's a good time.
• 1:23:47
  It's great stuff. So I definitely encourage
• 1:23:51
  everybody to check it out. So I do want to thank everybody
• 1:23:53
  for listening. Be sure to check out all the
• 1:23:55
  links that I've talked about throughout the podcast already
• 1:23:58
  linked relink. That's posted in the show notes.
• 1:24:00
  Portman Garden musings in any way you can, thank you, Richard,
• 1:24:04
  for, for being on the podcast tonight.
• 1:24:06
  It's been awful, voice:. Yeah, and for everybody else out
• 1:24:10
  there, you know, like I mentioned before, you know, stay
• 1:24:12
  safe and I will talk to you all. All in the next podcast.
• 1:24:16
  And until next time Hale and may your heart fires continue to
• 1:24:20
  always burn bright. All right,