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Episode 38_ The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann Part 2(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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Speaker 1: What's up you guys. I'm Haley and I'm Andrea, and
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Speaker 1: this is Inhuman, a true crime podcast. All right, so
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Speaker 1: I think we're just going to dive into today's episode.
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Speaker 1: There's not really any news or updates or anything, yes
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Speaker 1: that we want to share right now, and I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are waiting for this episode, so
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Speaker 1: we're just going to dive right in. So this is
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Speaker 1: Part two of the Disappearance of Madeline McCann, and if
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Speaker 1: you haven't heard part one, I highly recommend you go
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Speaker 1: listen to that first. I went through all of the
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Speaker 1: details of who the McCanns are, what their vacation to
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Speaker 1: Priya Delus Priya Deluge was like, and then I also
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Speaker 1: talked about the first years of the investigations into Madeline's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: So highly recommend you listen to that one first if
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Speaker 1: you haven't already, But if you have, here is part two.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So, the first few years of the investigation included two
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Speaker 1: sets of suspects, one which was Robert Murrat, a man
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Speaker 1: living in Pria Deluge, and then Kate and Jerry McCann,
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Speaker 1: Madeleine's parents. Both of these suspects sets, though were no
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Speaker 1: longer suspects as of July two thousand and eight, and
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Speaker 1: after that the case kind of went cold with no
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Speaker 1: new leads. So on May, I wrote May eleventh, I
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Speaker 1: know it's twenty eleven. I guess it's May eleventh, twenty eleven,
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Speaker 1: unless I mess it up. But in May of twenty eleven, okay,
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Speaker 1: British the British news outlet The Sun published an open
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Speaker 1: letter from the McCanns on the front page. In this letter,
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Speaker 1: Kate and Jerry were asking the Prime Minister David Cameron
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Speaker 1: to set up a new inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance. And
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Speaker 1: this letter actually led to twenty thousand signatures on the
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Speaker 1: new newspaper's petition for intervention.
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean, how could it not like a
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Speaker 1: letter from the parents of a missing little girl, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that that that helped bring bring some more
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Speaker 1: a tench awareness.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now, if you remember from part one, Theresa May was
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Speaker 1: the Home Secretary in England at the time, and the
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Speaker 1: day after the letter was published, she wrote a letter
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Speaker 1: to Paul Stevenson, who was the Commissioner of the London
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Speaker 1: Metropolitan Police, and this letter was informing him that the
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Speaker 1: Portuguese police had agreed to work together with a new
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Speaker 1: British inquiry, and twenty four hours later the English Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister David Cameron announced Operation Grange, which was the Scotland
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Speaker 1: Yard inquiry that I mentioned at the end of part one.
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Speaker 1: So this is going to be financed by the Home
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Speaker 1: Secretary Office Contingency Fund and it included twenty nine detectives
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Speaker 1: and eight civilians. Operation Grange was led by Commander Simon
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Speaker 1: Foy and there were detective inspectors including Andre Andy Redwood
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Speaker 1: who was a part of the Scotland Yards Homicide and
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Speaker 1: Serious Crimes Command. There were also five detective sergeants and
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Speaker 1: nineteen detective co constables. So from May twenty eleven through
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Speaker 1: March twenty nineteen, the cost of this inquiry would amount
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Speaker 1: to almost twelve million pounds, which is over sixteen million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was initially an operation looking into how the
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Speaker 1: investigation was handled, especially because if you remember, there were
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Speaker 1: basically a lot of different groups in England specifically that
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Speaker 1: were looking into this disappearance, but it never really was
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Speaker 1: cohesive at all. So that's kind of how this operation began.
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Speaker 1: But by twenty thirteen, it turned into a full blown
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Speaker 1: investigation into Madeleine's disappearance. Okay, they investigated over eight thousand
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Speaker 1: potential sightings of that over the years. And if you
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Speaker 1: have done any research on this case, or even if
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Speaker 1: you google it, there's whole pages on here's all the
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Speaker 1: disappearance or all the potential sightings of Madeline. And so
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Speaker 1: they looked into over eight thousand of these. They also
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Speaker 1: read and examined tens of thousands of documents and created
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Speaker 1: age progressed images of Madeline. In the first four years
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Speaker 1: of the investigation, they had taken over thirteen hundred statements,
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Speaker 1: collected over a thousand exhibits of evidence, and investigated six
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty sex offenders. They also had looked into
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Speaker 1: sixty different persons of interest. Unfortunately though this did not
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Speaker 1: lead to too much in those first years, they just
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Speaker 1: weren't really making any progress.
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Speaker 4: Now, were they doing that in the UK or were
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Speaker 4: they doing that in Portugal?
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Speaker 1: So they were working together with the PJ, the Portugal police,
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know where exactly they were
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Speaker 1: probably was, Yeah, I think it was kind of a combination.
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Speaker 1: They were really the whole point of the inquiry was
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Speaker 1: kind of to make the investigation more collaborative between the
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Speaker 1: two and so yeah, like I know, a couple of
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Speaker 1: the interviews that were done, they would have both the
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Speaker 1: PJ and then somebody from this group there or like
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Speaker 1: the British Police there. So they were definitely working together.
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Speaker 3: Gotcha.
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Speaker 1: One thing that they did kind of more or less
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Speaker 1: debunk I don't know if it's necessarily debunking it, but
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Speaker 1: just they looked into this and kind of found an
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Speaker 1: answer was the Tanner sighting. So if you remember, one
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Speaker 1: of the McCann's friends, Jane Tanner, saw a man walking
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Speaker 1: away from the Ocean Club carrying a little girl in
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Speaker 1: light pink pajamas. At the time, many believed this could
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Speaker 1: be the person who took Madeline carrying her away, but
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Speaker 1: in October twenty thirteen, Operation Grange investigators were able to
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Speaker 1: identify the man that Jane Tanner had seen. On the
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Speaker 1: night of May third. There was another vacationer who had
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Speaker 1: picked up his daughter from the resorts nighttime daycare thing
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Speaker 1: that you know, the McCanns could have used, but he
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Speaker 1: was carrying her back to his apartment at the time
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Speaker 1: that Jane Tanner saw this man and the Scotland Yard
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Speaker 1: actually took pictures of this man wearing similar clothes to
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Speaker 1: the ones that he wore that night, and they noted
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Speaker 1: how similar it looked to what Jane Tanner had remembered,
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Speaker 1: and they also were able to match his daughter's pajamas
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Speaker 1: pretty closely to what Jane had reported. So DCI Redwood,
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Speaker 1: which was the Scotland Yard Homicide and Series Crimes investigator,
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Speaker 1: said they were quote almost certain the Tanner sighting was
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Speaker 1: not related to the abduction. So again it's not like
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Speaker 1: fully ruled out, but the timing of when this man
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Speaker 1: was walking and what he was wearing and what his
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Speaker 1: daughter was wearing does kind of match up.
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Speaker 3: Did he come forward or did they just like have.
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Speaker 1: An either witness saw him or like how Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he came far or if he maybe
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Speaker 1: they were looking at other people that were staying there
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Speaker 1: at the time and then like reached out to them
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Speaker 1: and figured it out through that. I don't know exactly
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Speaker 1: how they figured it out, but that was kind of
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Speaker 1: one big thing that came from Operation Grange was that
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Speaker 1: they were able to like again not really debunk it
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Speaker 1: because you know, that's not the right word, but they
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Speaker 1: were able to figure out that this was most likely
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Speaker 1: him right. Okay, So in the beginning, it seemed as
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Speaker 1: if the Operation Grange team was looking into some type
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Speaker 1: of burglary gone wrong. DCI Redwood said they were looking
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Speaker 1: at quote, a criminal act by a stranger. They were
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Speaker 1: thinking there had been either a planned abduction or maybe
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Speaker 1: a burglary that Madeline had accidentally disturbed. They cited that
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Speaker 1: seventeen days before Madeline disappeared, there had been two burglaries
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Speaker 1: in the McCann's apartment block where the burglars had actually
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Speaker 1: entered through the windows. So this was definitely interesting and
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Speaker 1: something that I think should have been looked more into
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven. Maybe they did and they
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Speaker 1: found that wasn't relevant, but I do think it was
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Speaker 1: interesting that there was kind of an increased activity of
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Speaker 1: burglaries in the area around that time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And then there's one theory that I want to throw
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Speaker 1: in here because it's definitely something I've personally thought about
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people consider this very unlikely, but
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Speaker 1: I just want to throw it in here. So we're
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Speaker 1: covering all of our bases. So this is the theory
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Speaker 1: that Madeline had possibly left the apartment herself to like
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Speaker 1: go look for her parents, and that she was either
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Speaker 1: abducted or fell into one of the nearby open construction sites,
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Speaker 1: which again they probably would have looked in those, I'm assuming.
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Speaker 1: But the main reason that this theory is believed to
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Speaker 1: be unlikely is because the gate to the patio and
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Speaker 1: then the back door were both closed when Kate McCann
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Speaker 1: went to five A to check it around ten pm.
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Speaker 1: So Madeline would have had to open and close both
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Speaker 1: of those if she left, and so this was just unlikely.
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Speaker 1: She was only almost four years old, Yeah, and like
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Speaker 1: she had just woken up, like she probably wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: opening and closing both of those properly.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's so.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, just had to throw that into cover bases,
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Speaker 1: but very unlikely. In twenty thirteen, DCI Redwood said, quote
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Speaker 1: on one reading of the evidence, the disappearance did look
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Speaker 1: like a pre planned abduction, which undoubtedly would have involved reconnaissance.
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Speaker 1: So Operation Grange kind of started focusing on the smith
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Speaker 1: siting and other reports of men hanging around Apartment five
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Speaker 1: A at the time that the McCanns were staying there. In
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Speaker 1: October of that year, they actually created a staged reconstruction
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Speaker 1: of the crime scene and it was broadcast on BBC's
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Speaker 1: Crime Watch. So during this showing, they also released the
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Speaker 1: efits of the Smiths sighting of the end of the
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Speaker 1: other men seen around Fibay. So, if you remember in
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Speaker 1: part one, I talked about how the McCanns did get
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Speaker 1: these efits of the smith sighting man back in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and nine after like it was like a private investigation,
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Speaker 1: but they did not release them to anyone but the police.
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Speaker 1: They just made the decision to not and so the
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Speaker 1: public had never seen these sketches of the man that
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Speaker 1: Mary and Martin Smith had seen on May third until now.
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Speaker 1: Oh So, a few days after the reconstruction and sketches
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Speaker 1: aired on Crime Watch, the Portuguese inquiry was reopened. The
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Speaker 1: Portuguese Attorney General said, quote new elements of evidence justified
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Speaker 1: the continuation of the investigation.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I can kind of see why they didn't release
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Speaker 4: the photos at that time, because there was like, didn't
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Speaker 4: you say at one point that missus Smith thought that the.
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Speaker 3: Dad like she saw the dad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she very well could have been mistaken with
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Speaker 2: all of it, so I can kind of understand why
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Speaker 2: they waited to I can too, But also like when
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Speaker 2: they got those images, it was two thousand and nine.
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Speaker 2: Your daughter's been missing for two years, Like when't you
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Speaker 2: want to release anything? But yeah, maybe they had another
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Speaker 2: reason for it, that's true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. So there are a few more leads
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Speaker 1: that came over the next few years that I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go through briefly just to be thorough. But know
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Speaker 1: from now that none of these ever panned out, but
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Speaker 1: I do want to.
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Speaker 3: Go through them, okay.
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Speaker 1: In early twenty fourteen, investigators were looking into cell phone
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Speaker 1: records of who use cell phones near the Ocean Club
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Speaker 1: resort around the time of Madeline's disappearance. On the night
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Speaker 1: of May third, They identified three men, one who had
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Speaker 1: previously worked as a bus driver at the Ocean Club.
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Speaker 1: They interviewed these three men in June twenty five, fourteen,
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Speaker 1: but they were never able to find any connection to
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Speaker 1: Madeleine's disappearance. They also found that a former Ocean Club
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Speaker 1: restaurant worker had used his cell phone near the restaurant
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Speaker 1: that night as well. This man whose name is and
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna butcher this Uchilides Monterero probably said that wrong,
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Speaker 1: but don't come at me. But this man that he
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Speaker 1: had been fired from the resort in two thousand and six,
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Speaker 1: so the year before Madeline disappeared, and this was after
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Speaker 1: he was suspected of breaking into apartments to steal drug money.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, so they thought like, oh, maybe this could
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Speaker 1: be a lead. This man actually died in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nine in a tractor accident, but his widow told
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Speaker 1: investigators that he had previously been questioned about break ins
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Speaker 1: involving sexual assault. However, once again he had been cleared
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Speaker 1: by DNA evidence and they couldn't link him to Madeleine's disappearance.
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Speaker 3: Okay, there was an.
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Speaker 1: Irishman who he was a potential suspect for a little while.
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Speaker 1: This man had been in prison in Ireland for the
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Speaker 1: sexual assault of his four daughters, and when he was released,
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Speaker 1: he had moved to an area of Portugal that was
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Speaker 1: about twenty five miles away from Pria de Luge. He
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Speaker 1: was there when Madeline went missing, but again they couldn't
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Speaker 1: find any connection. Another suspect was a Swiss man that
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Speaker 1: I will also butcher. His name probably ers Hans von
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Speaker 1: Aish I think sounds good. I tried to look these up,
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Speaker 1: but like they don't. Yeah, these aren't like big names
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Speaker 1: or anything.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, and they're irrelevant in the grand scheme of
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Speaker 4: things because nothing panned out out.
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Speaker 1: So yeah. So this man had been convicted of a
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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven murder of a five year old
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Speaker 1: Lena Lenhard. Wow, and she disappeared in July two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven, so that was three months after Madeline. However,
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Speaker 1: it was reported that he was living in Spain when
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Speaker 1: Madeline disappeared, so that one didn't pan out either.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: The last big lead in the Operation Grange inquiry was
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Speaker 1: Clement Freud, who was a broadcaster who had been accused
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Speaker 1: of child's sexual abuse. He had a home in Pria
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Speaker 1: Deluge and actually had befriended the McCanns not long after
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Speaker 1: Madeline disappeared. Yeah, but his family said that he was
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Speaker 1: in the UK when she went missing, and I guess
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Speaker 1: they were able to verify that, So again didn't pan out.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of sickos around this case.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of there really are.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of sickos in the world period.
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Speaker 1: But yeah. In June twenty fourteen, the Scotland Yard and
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Speaker 1: the PJ, which again is the Portuguese police. They began
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Speaker 1: a new search in Pria Deluge. This included dogs and
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Speaker 1: archaeologists who helped them dig up over fifteen acres of
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Speaker 1: wasteland in the area looking for anything in connection to Madeline.
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Speaker 1: But this search once again led to nothing, so pretty
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Speaker 1: much not much happened after this. For the next five years,
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Speaker 1: Operation Grange did continue to receive funding and they continue
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Speaker 1: to follow up on leads, but there was never really
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Speaker 1: anything concrete. In twenty twenty, though, German police announced that
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Speaker 1: they had a suspect that could have been could have
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Speaker 1: had something to do with Madeleine McCann's disappearance. They also
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Speaker 1: announced that they believed that Madeline had been murdered and
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Speaker 1: that this man had something to do with it. He
15:37
Speaker 1: was initially identified by German prosecutors as Christian b German
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Speaker 1: suspects at some level have like an anonymity allowed, but
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Speaker 1: his name was either leaked or it was actually released
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Speaker 1: at some point, so we know it now. His name
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Speaker 1: is Christian Bruckner and he is a German Man who
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Speaker 1: is currently serving seven years in prison for the two
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Speaker 1: thousand and five sexual assault of a seventy two year
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Speaker 1: old American tourist in Pria deluge.
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Speaker 3: What the fuck?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like that's almost well, it's not as bad
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Speaker 4: as a child, but that's like really like praying on
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Speaker 4: the vulnerable, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, yes?
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Speaker 4: Ugh?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And just as like a side note, I've heard
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Speaker 1: his name pronounced differently. It's spelled like really weird because
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Speaker 1: it's a German name, or really weird for me being American,
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Speaker 1: and I've tried to look it up, but it's not
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Speaker 1: set a ton in reports and stuff, at least not
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Speaker 1: by Americans. So I've mostly heard Bruckner. So that's what
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be going with. But please nicely correct
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I would like to know if
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Speaker 1: I am wrong, but I'm going to be calling him Bruckner.
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Speaker 3: I feel like there might be a in there somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or something like that. But and before I get
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Speaker 1: any more into this story, I just want to give
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Speaker 1: an additional trigger warning. There will be a lot of
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Speaker 1: discussion of sexual assault and specifically child sex abuse, so
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention that I won't get into
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Speaker 1: any details, of course, but I just wanted to give
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Speaker 1: that additional warning.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy's a royal piece of shit.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So Bruckner was a known sex offender in Germany,
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Speaker 1: Spain and Portugal, and he had a criminal history with
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Speaker 1: the drug trafficking with not the drug trafficking, with drug trafficking, theft,
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Speaker 1: and child sex abuse. At the time Madeline disappeared, Bruckner
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Speaker 1: had apparently been living in a house that was about
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Speaker 1: five miles from the Ocean Club resort in Portugal, but
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Speaker 1: it's also reported that he owned or lived in a
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Speaker 1: shack that was just two miles away.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: He also had a yellow VW Can and was seen
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Speaker 1: driving that around the area of Prior de Luge when
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Speaker 1: the McCanns were there, including just days before Madeline vanished,
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Speaker 1: so this is kind of just all placing him in
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Speaker 1: that area. And then the day after Madeline disappeared, Bruckner's
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three Jaguar x JR six was de registered
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Speaker 1: to him and registered to a new owner, and shortly
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Speaker 1: after that he left Portugal to return to Germany.
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Speaker 4: Okay, those are all suspicious things, but not necessarily guilty,
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Speaker 4: but you know, correct.
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Speaker 1: But I will not. I didn't write this down, so
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Speaker 1: I don't know I don't remember the exact details, but
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Speaker 1: he had basically been in Portugal because he was wanted
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Speaker 1: in Germany for some sort of crime, so he was
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Speaker 1: kind of like high. Yeah, yeah, So it's interesting that
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Speaker 1: he returned to Germany knowing that, like he was wanted there.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, just an interesting side note, yeah, but
18:55
Speaker 1: even more compelling, there was actually cell phone evidence that
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Speaker 1: linked Bruckner to the area of the Ocean Club resort
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Speaker 1: on the night of May third, So his cell phone
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Speaker 1: was active in the area that night, and he even
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Speaker 1: received a phone call at seven thirty two pm that
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Speaker 1: ended at eight oh two pm, and as a reminder,
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Speaker 1: Madeline disappeared sometime between nine point fifteen and ten pm.
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Speaker 1: So we don't know where exactly this ping. You know,
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Speaker 1: if he lived two miles away, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: close they can match it, but they have kind of
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Speaker 1: tried to get public attention of whoever was on the
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Speaker 1: other side of this phone call, please come forward because
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Speaker 1: it might have information, you might know something.
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Speaker 4: So it's amazing that they can even do that, like
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Speaker 4: see who all was in the area based on that.
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Speaker 3: It's so crazy.
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Speaker 1: So this did happen, but at the time, you know,
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven when they were investigating, he
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Speaker 1: had left Portugal and returned to Germany, and so they
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Speaker 1: never were able to really investigate him or link him
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Speaker 1: to matt In it all. So in twenty seventeen, Madeline's
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Speaker 1: story was being broadcast all around the world because it
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Speaker 1: was the tenth anniversary of her disappearance. Bruckner was at
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Speaker 1: a bar in Germany with a friend when one of
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Speaker 1: these broadcasts aired, and he told that friend that night
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Speaker 1: that he was the one that had taken Madeline. He
20:21
Speaker 1: said he quote snatched her and that he had been
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Speaker 1: stalking the family for four days beforehand.
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Speaker 3: Sick, sick, sick if you really did that, and sick
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Speaker 3: if you would lie about it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, So this friend thankfully went to police with this
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Speaker 1: information and for you, let's give him a round of
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Speaker 1: a falls, I know, really literally, like most people probably wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, So this was in twenty seventeen, and German
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Speaker 1: authorities seemed to basically take time to investigate this before
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Speaker 1: going public with it in twenty twenty. No shade to
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Speaker 1: German police at all, because also, like if this was
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Speaker 1: just a quote unquote normal tip, it might have taken
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Speaker 1: a long time to actually get to it, especially in
21:11
Speaker 1: a case as big as this, they probably still get.
21:13
Speaker 3: Tons of chips.
21:15
Speaker 1: So in June twenty twenty, after the German police announced
21:20
Speaker 1: that they had a new prime suspect in the murder
21:24
Speaker 1: of Madeline McCann, investigators went to search Bruckner's home in Hanover, Germany.
21:31
Speaker 1: So they brought sniffer dogs, an excavator, and ground penetrating radar,
21:36
Speaker 1: searching for three days in his like guarding yard area.
21:42
Speaker 1: They seemed to walk away with nothing from that search,
21:46
Speaker 1: but they also were keeping everything very close to the chest,
21:49
Speaker 1: so we don't know if they did possibly find something else. Now,
21:53
Speaker 1: as police started looking into Bruckner, they also suspected that
21:57
Speaker 1: he was linked to many more sexuals, some of children,
22:01
Speaker 1: and even another murder. So I'm gonna go through those
22:05
Speaker 1: a couple of them. I think they've linked him or
22:08
Speaker 1: tried to link him to some more, but these are
22:10
Speaker 1: kind of the main ones that he's he's being linked
22:13
Speaker 1: to right now. So one was the disappearance of five
22:16
Speaker 1: year old German girl Inga Garrick in twenty fifteen. Her
22:20
Speaker 1: family was on vacation in Wilhelmschef. Again, I tried to
22:26
Speaker 1: look it up, but they only said it in German,
22:29
Speaker 1: so I couldn't pronounce it. But Wilm helmschuff German, I
22:33
Speaker 1: think Germany, I mean. And so her family was on
22:37
Speaker 1: this vacation and Inga disappeared into the wooded area behind
22:41
Speaker 1: the house they were staying in. They obviously immediately were
22:45
Speaker 1: searching for her, and just like Madeline's case, Inga's disappearance
22:49
Speaker 1: hit national news and there were many big searches for her,
22:53
Speaker 1: and she was never found. There are some eerie connections
22:59
Speaker 1: between Madeline's disappearance and Inga's disappearance, including that Inga went
23:06
Speaker 1: missing a day before the eighth anniversary of Madeline's disappearance,
23:12
Speaker 1: so again could be a coincidence, by it's a little eerie.
23:15
Speaker 1: Both girls were also blonde haired and blue eyed, and
23:18
Speaker 1: they were a similar age when they disappeared. In February
23:22
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, an anonymous tip in Inga's disappearance led police
23:26
Speaker 1: to a farm that was fifty five miles away from
23:30
Speaker 1: where Inga disappeared. The owner of this property was Christian Bruckner,
23:35
Speaker 1: so police searched this property, where Christian had been living
23:39
Speaker 1: in his van. They were searching for evidence, and they
23:43
Speaker 1: eventually found bones buried on the property, but they belonged
23:46
Speaker 1: to his dog. However, what they found under these bones
23:51
Speaker 1: was insane and disgusting. Buried deep in the ground were
23:57
Speaker 1: six US bees that can contained a huge amount of
24:02
Speaker 1: child's sex abuse materials.
24:05
Speaker 3: You said us What.
24:07
Speaker 1: Us b's like the little USB drives? Oh?
24:10
Speaker 3: USBs?
24:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably USB drives.
24:15
Speaker 4: I was thinking the United States bees like peas cheese.
24:20
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
24:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're fine. USB drives that contained a huge
24:25
Speaker 1: amount of child sex abuse materials.
24:28
Speaker 3: That's disgusting.
24:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually knew that there was like eight thousand
24:32
Speaker 4: different things or something.
24:34
Speaker 3: I don't know.
24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's my next bullet. Police reported that they
24:39
Speaker 1: found over eight thousand pieces of evidence related to child
24:43
Speaker 1: sex abuse, including young girl swimsuits.
24:46
Speaker 3: Gross. Yeah, that's so great.
24:49
Speaker 1: So Bruckner was charged in relation to all of this. However,
24:54
Speaker 1: they did not find anything related to Inga, so Inga's
24:59
Speaker 1: disappearance was closed in twenty seventeen, basically saying that they
25:03
Speaker 1: were accepting tips still, but it was pretty much a
25:05
Speaker 1: cold case. It seems like in Germany they kind of
25:10
Speaker 1: when a case goes cold, they close it, but it
25:13
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not the same thing as like when a
25:15
Speaker 1: case is closed here in the US. Case, Yeah, I
25:19
Speaker 1: won't be closed until it's actually solved. It'll just be
25:22
Speaker 1: a cold case. But it seems like over there it's closed.
25:26
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it's never going to be investigated again. Okay,
25:30
Speaker 1: so that happened in twenty seventeen, but when Bruckner was
25:35
Speaker 1: named a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance in twenty twenty, the
25:39
Speaker 1: investigation into Inga's disappearance was reopened.
25:42
Speaker 4: Good.
25:43
Speaker 1: And then there is another child that police are investigating
25:47
Speaker 1: Bruckner for another child disappearance. So this is the disappearance
25:51
Speaker 1: of six year old German boy Renee Hasse. And Renee
25:55
Speaker 1: was on vacation with his parents in Portugal, just twenty
25:58
Speaker 1: five miles from Priya de Lude when he disappeared from
26:02
Speaker 1: a beach in nineteen ninety six. So he had he
26:06
Speaker 1: was kind of on a walk with his family on
26:08
Speaker 1: the beach and he had kind of run ahead and
26:11
Speaker 1: just disappeared and his footsteps just stopped. So at first, yeah,
26:19
Speaker 1: they were kind of trying to say maybe he ran
26:21
Speaker 1: into the ocean or something but sounds like someone snatched him.
26:25
Speaker 1: And then there is the murder that they are looking
26:28
Speaker 1: at Brickner for. This is the murder of sixteen year
26:31
Speaker 1: old Corolla Titsa. Corolla was on vacation in nineteen ninety
26:37
Speaker 1: six at a Belgian seaside resort. There she met a
26:40
Speaker 1: man with an East German accent and she was last
26:43
Speaker 1: seen with this man at a bar before she just disappeared.
26:48
Speaker 1: Six days later, her body was found in some nearby dunes.
26:52
Speaker 1: Corolla had been raped and murdered, but unfortunately, her case
26:56
Speaker 1: also went cold, being closed in twenty sixteen. But just
27:01
Speaker 1: like Inga and Rene's cases, Bruckner is now being looked
27:04
Speaker 1: into for her death. So the last one I'll talk
27:08
Speaker 1: about here. Bruckner is being investigated for the two thousand
27:12
Speaker 1: and four rape of an Irish woman named Hazel Behan
27:16
Speaker 1: in Priya de Rocha, Portugal. Hazel was in her apartment
27:20
Speaker 1: when a masked man broke in, held a knife to
27:23
Speaker 1: her throat, and then raped her repeatedly. In twenty twenty,
27:27
Speaker 1: when Bruckner was named the main suspect in Madeline's disappearance,
27:30
Speaker 1: there were details emerging about the two thousand and five
27:34
Speaker 1: rape that he was currently incarcerated for, and when Hazel
27:37
Speaker 1: heard that, she called the Scotland Yard saying, quote, my
27:42
Speaker 1: mind was blown when I read how he attacked a
27:44
Speaker 1: woman in two thousand and five, both the tactics and
27:47
Speaker 1: the methods he used, the tools he had with him,
27:49
Speaker 1: how well he had it planned out. I puked, to
27:52
Speaker 1: be honest with you, as reading about it took me
27:54
Speaker 1: right back to my experience. So Hazel now believes that
27:58
Speaker 1: he is the man who attend that night.
28:01
Speaker 3: She's the seventy two year old woman.
28:04
Speaker 1: No, she.
28:06
Speaker 2: Was.
28:06
Speaker 1: I think she was twenty at the time, but she
28:08
Speaker 1: when she heard about the seventy two year old woman,
28:11
Speaker 1: Oh okay and that story, she was like, this.
28:13
Speaker 3: Is the same thing. Wow.
28:16
Speaker 1: So that's kind of all the crimes, the big crimes
28:19
Speaker 1: at least that I could find, that he's currently being
28:21
Speaker 1: investigated for. Of course, along with Madelines, there are also
28:25
Speaker 1: reported transcripts of Christian Bruckner speaking in a pedophile chat
28:30
Speaker 1: room about sexually assaulting young girls. So that just gives
28:34
Speaker 1: you an idea of who this man is and what
28:36
Speaker 1: he may be capable of. So again, he's currently being
28:40
Speaker 1: investigated for all of those and right now he is
28:43
Speaker 1: still in prison for that two thousand and five assault.
28:46
Speaker 1: Good Now, in August of this year, twenty twenty one,
28:50
Speaker 1: police finally went and searched one of Bruckner's second properties
28:55
Speaker 1: in central Germany. So he had a house in Braunze, Germany,
29:02
Speaker 1: which is probably the way American nice way to say that,
29:06
Speaker 1: but do my best here. So it had been reported
29:09
Speaker 1: that when he purchased this property, he had told a
29:12
Speaker 1: friend that he wanted a basement with soundproof walls, so
29:16
Speaker 1: just kind of creepy. He lived here from twenty thirteen
29:20
Speaker 1: until twenty sixteen, when he sold it to a woman
29:23
Speaker 1: named Sabine Selig. She noticed that there was a ten
29:28
Speaker 1: foot deep basement, but at the time she just didn't
29:32
Speaker 1: think much of it, you know, she just bought this house.
29:36
Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty, when she learned that Bruckner was
29:39
Speaker 1: the prime suspect into Madeleine's disappearance, she contacted the police
29:44
Speaker 1: and allowed them to come search. So there is a
29:48
Speaker 1: photo of the entrance to the basement, which many call
29:52
Speaker 1: a dungeon, and I'll post that on our Instagram so
29:55
Speaker 1: you can go look at it. But it isn't even
29:58
Speaker 1: like a normal basement entrance. Basically like, well, it looks
30:01
Speaker 1: like two holes in the ground going into what does
30:04
Speaker 1: kind of look like a dungeon.
30:07
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the lovely bones? Yes, like that?
30:11
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of yeah, Yeah.
30:15
Speaker 3: I gave me chills. They gave me chills.
30:17
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So neighbors of this house reported that Bruckner
30:21
Speaker 1: had excavated the floor of the house, digging out a
30:25
Speaker 1: ten foot deep, twenty foot wide hole himself, and another
30:30
Speaker 1: neighbor said that they had never seen Bruckner working in
30:33
Speaker 1: his garden, but that he would spend a lot of
30:36
Speaker 1: time in the backyard shed, and one even said that
30:39
Speaker 1: he could never hear Bruckner working in the shed, which
30:42
Speaker 1: he thought was kind of weird, and he he thought
30:44
Speaker 1: because of that that Bruckner must have soundproofed it somehow.
30:48
Speaker 1: So these neighbors, a lot of them, believe that police
30:51
Speaker 1: should look into that shed, and Sabine has been super
30:54
Speaker 1: helpful and basically has said like, come look at my house,
30:58
Speaker 1: come investigate anything you need. And they haven't really reported
31:01
Speaker 1: what they've gotten from this search. Again, this was in
31:05
Speaker 1: August of this year, so just a couple months ago.
31:08
Speaker 1: But it's definitely interesting. Yeah, So, according to the Daily Mail,
31:14
Speaker 1: as of October ninth, twenty twenty one, German prosecutors are
31:18
Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure that Christian Bruckner murdered Madeline McCann.
31:23
Speaker 1: Quote German prosecutor Hans Christian Walters said investigators were confident
31:29
Speaker 1: they had the right man and had sufficient evidence to
31:32
Speaker 1: charge over the two thousand and seven disappearance end quote.
31:37
Speaker 4: Well that's interesting, that's a big I can't think of
31:41
Speaker 4: the word that I'm trying to lead it. Yeah, but
31:44
Speaker 4: like very confident, you know, yes, So you must have
31:48
Speaker 4: something really.
31:50
Speaker 1: They have to have and they haven't shared what this
31:53
Speaker 1: evidence is. And the German prosecutor Wolters, he said that
31:58
Speaker 1: there's no forensic evidence. Everything is circumstantial, So they technically
32:03
Speaker 1: still do not have proof that she is not alive,
32:06
Speaker 1: and they don't have any actual forensic evidence linking Bruckner
32:10
Speaker 1: to her alleged murder. So I'm like, what do you
32:13
Speaker 1: have that makes you one hundred percent confident? But maybe
32:16
Speaker 1: there's something that they're just not sharing with us that,
32:19
Speaker 1: you know, like a witness account or something that they
32:22
Speaker 1: haven't shared. So they are currently working to gather evidence
32:27
Speaker 1: while he serves his other sentence, and they said they
32:29
Speaker 1: are hoping to charge him next year, which yes, we
32:33
Speaker 1: all want answers, but props to them for doing the
32:36
Speaker 1: investigation properly so that he actually will be convicted if
32:40
Speaker 1: he is guilty. Yeah, and Walters has asked the public
32:44
Speaker 1: for patients while they work on the investigation, saying, quote,
32:48
Speaker 1: we have time on our hands because he is in prison.
32:51
Speaker 1: So they're basically saying, you know, he's in prison right now,
32:54
Speaker 1: so we want to get this right, and you know,
32:57
Speaker 1: I give them props for that. In June of this year,
33:00
Speaker 1: this is also just another note that I wanted to
33:03
Speaker 1: include in here. A handwritten letter entitled Christian Bruckner Press
33:07
Speaker 1: Release was published by a German tabloid. Bruckner is believed
33:12
Speaker 1: to be the author of it. It's not confirmed, but
33:14
Speaker 1: everybody thinks he is, and in it he accuses prosecutors
33:18
Speaker 1: of quote perpetrating an unbelievable scandal by starting a public
33:23
Speaker 1: prejudice campaign against him, So yeah, dude. The letter also
33:29
Speaker 1: basically comes at German prosecutor Walters and saying that he
33:34
Speaker 1: has brought shame to the German legal system and demanding
33:39
Speaker 1: that Walters resign, and then According to article in Independent Quote,
33:45
Speaker 1: the letter dated eight May was reportedly accompanied by a
33:49
Speaker 1: hand drawn cartoon of two people ordering FILET forensics at
33:53
Speaker 1: a restaurant, perhaps in reference to mister Walter's comment that
33:56
Speaker 1: there's no forensic evidence to suggest the madeline is dead,
34:01
Speaker 1: which is just so sick again, like whether you did
34:04
Speaker 1: it or you didn't.
34:05
Speaker 3: Do it, like, yeah, yeah, just stop.
34:10
Speaker 1: And I don't think they're too worried about this. If anything,
34:13
Speaker 1: I mean, in my eyes, it shows that he has
34:15
Speaker 1: something to hide, because if he didn't, wouldn't he just
34:18
Speaker 1: come out and say, like I did not do this, you.
34:21
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, instead of trying to like divert the spotlight
34:26
Speaker 4: the boyfriend.
34:26
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yeah exactly. So we typically kind of try
34:31
Speaker 1: to always report facts. But because this is such a
34:33
Speaker 1: crazy case, and you know, we both have heard and
34:37
Speaker 1: seen a lot about it, I want to hear your theory, Andrea,
34:40
Speaker 1: and then I'll share my theory.
34:42
Speaker 3: So I will definitely say when I first heard this
34:45
Speaker 3: case that I did think that maybe the parents.
34:51
Speaker 4: Or some of the other adults that were with the
34:54
Speaker 4: parents had something to do with it. I never I
34:56
Speaker 4: never thought that they just outright murdered her. I thought like,
35:03
Speaker 4: if anything, it was like an accidental thing and they
35:05
Speaker 4: tried to cover it up because it looked bad or whatever.
35:11
Speaker 4: But knowing a little bit more now and like thinking
35:15
Speaker 4: about it more now, I definitely think that it was
35:18
Speaker 4: a outside person who saw an opportunity. I do think
35:22
Speaker 4: that they were probably watched, slash stopped for days whatever
35:30
Speaker 4: prior to taking her. I do find it weird that
35:33
Speaker 4: she was the only one that was taken, but I
35:35
Speaker 4: guess it would be difficult to take more than one
35:37
Speaker 4: child if you're just one person. Yeah, but I feel
35:41
Speaker 4: like the person who took her like fixated on her
35:43
Speaker 4: and planned it out and probably saw, hey, these parents
35:47
Speaker 4: are leaving their kids every single night yep, and maybe
35:51
Speaker 4: even checked the door, maybe even had this whole plan,
35:55
Speaker 4: you know, of going in, and it was just like
35:57
Speaker 4: a perfect setup for him.
35:59
Speaker 1: So I mean, if he was like, their apartment was
36:03
Speaker 1: at the corner right on a public street, so he
36:05
Speaker 1: could have been across the street watching them come and
36:07
Speaker 1: go and knowing, you know, okay, timing it.
36:10
Speaker 3: And knowinges yep.
36:13
Speaker 1: Exactly.
36:14
Speaker 4: As far as Christian being my number one suspect, I
36:18
Speaker 4: think it is very probable, but I'm not sold on it. Yeah,
36:23
Speaker 4: So I like I need to hear a little bit
36:26
Speaker 4: more like definitive. Yeah, what's the word evidence? Sorry, my
36:33
Speaker 4: brain's just like not working today before I can be like, Okay,
36:37
Speaker 4: I believe it's definitely.
36:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I agree with you. I feel like I'm
36:41
Speaker 1: like eighty percent Bruckner's responsible, but like ninety nine percent
36:47
Speaker 1: of me thinks that it was somebody outside of the
36:51
Speaker 1: family and friend group. When I watched the Netflix documentary,
36:55
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about the case pretty much, and I
36:58
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking that the parents were in at
37:00
Speaker 1: the end of the Netflix documentary. Yeah, after doing all
37:03
Speaker 1: of this research myself, I just cannot put together, even
37:07
Speaker 1: just physically, how that would have happened. Like, yes, the
37:10
Speaker 1: canine evidence is sort of compelling, but the car wasn't
37:15
Speaker 1: rented by the mccans for over three weeks after Madeline disappeared,
37:19
Speaker 1: So the theory that they used it to transport her body, like.
37:23
Speaker 3: How would does it add? Yeah?
37:27
Speaker 1: And I just can't see how either, because there was
37:30
Speaker 1: you know, witnesses that saw them in the restaurant that night,
37:33
Speaker 1: So how would this all have happened? And they were
37:36
Speaker 1: so quickly able to put her body somewhere that nobody
37:39
Speaker 1: could find it. So I just I can't see how,
37:42
Speaker 1: even if it was an accidental overdose or something, I
37:45
Speaker 1: don't see how they could have just disposed of her
37:47
Speaker 1: body without being caught with all the searches. So yeah,
37:50
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's any way exactly.
37:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. Like the footage
37:56
Speaker 4: of the parents, like being interviewed and stuff, it was
37:59
Speaker 4: very unnerving, Like obviously, everyone grieves differently, everybody responds differently
38:07
Speaker 4: to different things, but it just seemed very cold, you know.
38:11
Speaker 1: But also they could have been just like shut.
38:14
Speaker 4: Off and shock. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that was why
38:18
Speaker 4: I think in the beginning I was like maybe, but yeah,
38:22
Speaker 4: I was like, there's no way. There's just no way
38:24
Speaker 4: they could have really pulled that off.
38:26
Speaker 1: I don't think I agree. So yeah, I want to
38:29
Speaker 1: hear your guys theories too, So please tell us what
38:32
Speaker 1: you think, either on Instagram, in Human Underscore podcast, or
38:37
Speaker 1: what's probably easier is in our Facebook group in Human
38:39
Speaker 1: a true crime podcast, because then we can all chat
38:42
Speaker 1: about it more easy, easier, more easily easily I think easily, yeah,
38:48
Speaker 1: easy English easily. I don't know, but yeah, to check
38:52
Speaker 1: out our Facebook group. I'll post it there and it'll
38:55
Speaker 1: be post on Instagram as well. But I am hoping
38:57
Speaker 1: that what Walters is saying that they want to bring
39:01
Speaker 1: a charge in twenty twenty two will come true. I
39:04
Speaker 1: am manifesting that shit like this girl deserves justice and
39:09
Speaker 1: if her parents are truly innocent, they deserve closure and
39:12
Speaker 1: for the spotlight to be off of them because it
39:14
Speaker 1: has been for years.
39:16
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I hope whoever did do it, I hope
39:19
Speaker 4: that they will, you know, or come forward about like
39:23
Speaker 4: where she is too.
39:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that is a big deal.
39:27
Speaker 4: Like you, I don't think anyone can ever really have
39:29
Speaker 4: closure until they bury their loved one.
39:33
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you're right.
39:34
Speaker 3: If she's which I feel like she is deceased, I
39:38
Speaker 3: do too.
39:39
Speaker 1: So yeah, that, my friends, is the case of the
39:43
Speaker 1: disappearance of Madeline McCann as of October eighteenth, twenty twenty one.
39:47
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39:50
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40:31
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40:37
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40:40
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40:44
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40:47
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40:50
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40:52
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41:07
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41:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were both really good, So yeah, my expectations
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Speaker 1: I know I've heard some people say they're kind of disappointed,
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41:20
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41:23
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41:27
Speaker 3: It's not really like psychological thriller, but yeah.
41:31
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41:36
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