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- 0:02You know, music is the spark of life, part of your soul.
- 0:08Every time we listen to it, it brings back memories, it jars up new ones.
- 0:14Music is always incredible. My name is Gary Dean, and this is Eye Opener Society.
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- 0:33they're fantastic people.
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- 0:40You can reach out to them on the website, and you could also hear their podcast,
- 0:45Without a Candle, released every Friday on all podcast platforms.
- 0:50So today we're talking about music. A little stretch, a little bit of something
- 0:54different, but you know what? when it comes to spirituality,
- 0:57music fits right into this whole gamut.
- 1:01And Lizzie and I are here to talk about it.
- 1:04And I think Lizzie, music, well, let me start with you with this.
- 1:12What does music mean to you?
- 1:15Music is just part of the art of life, you know, kind of to tie into everything
- 1:21that we're talking about, whereas like I'm coming from a perspective where life
- 1:26is about connection and creation.
- 1:28Music is one beautiful way that people create and connect together,
- 1:33because like you said, it can be it can take you back to a moment in time.
- 1:38There's so many beautiful cosmic messages in people's songs.
- 1:43There's just like the list of things you can do with it. It just goes on and on.
- 1:47And yeah, I just, I love music. I probably play it too much.
- 1:51I'm playing it all the time.
- 1:54Yeah, music touches everybody in a different way. And when it comes to spirituality,
- 1:58we could talk about alchemy.
- 2:00Music can alchemize any situation. If you're in a really down,
- 2:04depressed state and you keep listening to down, depressing music,
- 2:07it's going to keep that state of mind right there.
- 2:10Once you turn the tempo up And the beats start really rocking And then you start
- 2:15listening to some more You know,
- 2:16upbeat songs That's your transmutation The alchemizing situation Suddenly everything
- 2:23is going to seem So much different Once you change the type of music So we can
- 2:28relate this spiritually,
- 2:31Yeah, exactly That's what I like to do Like if I'm
- 2:35really feeling my feelings I like to start with the
- 2:37song That just feels like it really captures it you know
- 2:41where you kind of want to like spiral into it a little bit and
- 2:44instead of spiraling and focusing and thinking you
- 2:47just like relax your body and just
- 2:50let all the emotions flow and then you kind of
- 2:53either yeah step up to something to where you're kind of ending the music session
- 2:57with something upbeat and exciting and and inspiring for the future and I think
- 3:02that's just a great way to do it this kind of takes your emotion through like
- 3:07a full arc and gives you a new opportunity to feel something different.
- 3:13Yeah, I remember a concert I went to, I seen Sully Erna, he's from Godsmack,
- 3:19and he does his own solo work, which I think is absolutely fantastic,
- 3:22he does such a wide range of music, and at the beginning of a show,
- 3:27he basically explained just how simple music is,
- 3:30it's nothing more than a vibration, and that vibration.
- 3:34All you gotta do is change it to get the different notes and the tones and all,
- 3:38that's all you gotta do, so again, spirituality,
- 3:40that's what we work with we work with these vibrations that
- 3:44are within us so when the music hits right it's because
- 3:47it's vibrating right along with us and all we
- 3:50got to do is change the station if a song doesn't work in that moment
- 3:52and it works so much better for us that's an
- 3:56amazing analogy that he gave and it always stuck
- 3:59with me i said yeah for sure music is nothing
- 4:03more than vibrations just like we are oh yeah
- 4:07for sure and if you get like a big crowd of people all like
- 4:10rocking and dancing singing i've seen
- 4:13you can alchemize as like
- 4:16a group i don't know if uh you because
- 4:19you don't have kids i don't know if you saw the whole k-pop demon
- 4:22hunter thing that came out nope okay well
- 4:26i never watched the movie i don't know much about it but i listened to a lot
- 4:31of the soundtrack because i went to this event for kids there's a stem event
- 4:35but an accidental uh concert popped up in the corner and it was really really
- 4:42beautiful actually because this is actually a perfect example.
- 4:46The first time the girl came up and she danced she was like kind of shy in the
- 4:51moment she noticed that the people were recording because it's an event you
- 4:55know what i mean um she just like backed out and then she came up a little bit
- 4:59later and all these kids are obsessed with this soundtrack because it's what
- 5:03the what's newly come out you know what i mean.
- 5:06So the next time she comes up she's got like a
- 5:09couple of friends with her and they're like a little bit more confident you
- 5:12know they're they're doing like I guess the dance from the
- 5:15movie and they're feeling a little cooler right and then
- 5:18the next time it was like more and more until it
- 5:21was like this big crowd of people and it was like the energy
- 5:24and the emotion that was coming off these like 30 to
- 5:2750 kids was just like it was beautiful it
- 5:31was beautiful to witness that is that sounds
- 5:34really beautiful and it's no different you go to concerts
- 5:37and you get that the emotion from the crowd you
- 5:40know no matter what genre you're listening to you are immersed
- 5:44in that situation and much like the feelings that
- 5:47we have if we have feelings of peace and love and we can spread that just by
- 5:52being around other people and it moves from person to person music amplifies
- 5:58that it moves it faster and further now yeah i that's okay if you want to jump in there go for it,
- 6:08finish go ahead yeah no i was um the thing now though when it comes to music me personally.
- 6:16I don't know this last decade or so i really
- 6:19haven't listened to music i and it's the furthest thing from my mind most of
- 6:24my music um began in the 80s and back in the 80s it didn't matter your playlist
- 6:32you could have john denver and slayer on the same playlist and nobody cared.
- 6:39All of a sudden i think in the last 10 years music has really fizzled out there's no more,
- 6:44true emotion in it maybe a few bands here and there and i don't get the same
- 6:49type of emotion like from the 70s, the 80s,
- 6:52even through the 90s grunge, and even the earlier 2000s, it just kind of faded
- 6:58away. I would say maybe 2010.
- 7:01And so I haven't really listened that much.
- 7:05And I will say that I try finding more of these unknown bands,
- 7:11local bands, ones that are trying to change things up, trying to get that true,
- 7:17authentic sound and putting that emotion back in.
- 7:20Because what do we have now?
- 7:22Most of these bands that I grew up on, they're all in their 80s and some of
- 7:28them retired and then they're coming out of retirement.
- 7:31They don't have the same energy that they did when
- 7:33they were 20 and i don't blame i mean i admire them
- 7:36for getting up there and doing what they're doing but most of
- 7:39them their voices are shot they can no longer sing or
- 7:42carry a tune depending who you're listening to there there
- 7:45are a couple of guys that can really still rock out but i
- 7:49think it's falling flat now i miss the
- 7:52freaking 80s when everything had a meaning
- 7:55to it no matter what genre you were listening to there was
- 7:58something involved in the 80s and i don't know if you
- 8:01agree with me on this oh i have so
- 8:04much to say let me see if i can pull something together okay so
- 8:08the 80s everything about the
- 8:1180s from their hair their makeup their attitude
- 8:15the music no matter the genre music it
- 8:18was all a subtle rebellion same as
- 8:21like the 20s everything was just just what
- 8:25you could do that would just slightly piss the older
- 8:28generation off and that breeds beautiful
- 8:31art when you're in a system of oppression but then
- 8:35after the 80s it kind of it tailored off because it became accepted right the
- 8:4090s was kind of like the accepted 80s and that was really beautiful but it changes
- 8:46the tone of all of it oh see I lost my train of thought I had too many opinions here.
- 8:59No, I got too excited. That's fine. All right.
- 9:02Well, I'll start talking a little bit more about the 80s. You see,
- 9:06that's when I started really getting involved because growing up,
- 9:10listen, I'm from the Bronx, New York, but I used to listen to like outlaw country.
- 9:14That was my thing when I was a younger kid.
- 9:17And then once I got into middle school and then I was introduced into the heavy
- 9:21metal scene and that was it. Changed my life forever, man.
- 9:25That's all I ever wanted. and then we went
- 9:28from that 80s heavy metal to more of the
- 9:31glam rock and then uh it started
- 9:35to get some more of the underground i started getting involved in that underground stuff
- 9:38like the anthrax and metallica when they were first starting
- 9:41you know you're getting that harder heavier and everybody wanted to be faster
- 9:45and nobody wanted to be posers anymore you know and then we also had a little
- 9:49bit of a blend of that punk rock that was going on in there So I was introduced
- 9:53to a lot of this And it really set the soundtrack For most of my childhood A
- 9:58lot of these bands And a lot of this music.
- 10:01And I loved it And like I say I think grunge,
- 10:06Once it took over I think we needed that We needed that change Because like
- 10:12you said I think we became very mainstream Even punk rock became very mainstream
- 10:17too As well towards the later 80s,
- 10:20Yeah, that's where I was going with it. Once it became accepted,
- 10:25it then just got eaten into capitalism.
- 10:29Right. And so now even rock, even all these like freedom of expression things
- 10:35were done through the lens of capitalism, which frames it into mainstream.
- 10:40And art became such a
- 10:43way uh the local band is such a
- 10:45good way to find more authentic music because a
- 10:48lot of the times at least in previous decades it was
- 10:51hard to find anything that somebody authentically made
- 10:55because it had to go through so many like teams
- 10:58of producers teams of like you know what i mean in order to be accepted by the
- 11:03record labels and same with like the art that you saw it had you kind of almost
- 11:07had to like know somebody to get your art up in a gallery unless you were going
- 11:11to pay twenty thousand dollars to do it which again you know what i mean and so.
- 11:18I think right now we're in a transitional period where people are really coming to that.
- 11:24And I actually think AI pushes this because now on some of the streaming services
- 11:29like Spotify, you can, if you're just listening to the suggested playlist,
- 11:33you're likely finding AI bands you don't know are AI.
- 11:38And they're just being absorbed into it. If you are not listening for that raw
- 11:43emotion, because to my knowledge, AI can't do that.
- 11:47But you could put it on the ai song
- 11:50like if you really resonated with it for sure and
- 11:53i don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with it maybe there
- 11:56is that's like a whole other thing that's people's own business but
- 11:59my point is is that a lot of people now
- 12:03aren't going through the record labels they themselves are
- 12:05also just putting it on spotify which means
- 12:08they don't have teams and teams of people and maybe they don't get
- 12:11their song out in front of millions of people within the
- 12:14first year but they're growing and learning something
- 12:17completely different than the previous generations were able
- 12:21to do back then you were stuck in the garage if
- 12:24you were that raw authentic couldn't get approved by these teams of people you
- 12:27were a garage band and you were going to stay there but now you can get on tiktok
- 12:33and you can show people your music and that you know what i mean and so we are
- 12:37starting to get very a very different kind of music than we used to.
- 12:44We do. And one of the wonderful things I said, like you're pointing out how,
- 12:50yeah, we have teams and teams and all directors.
- 12:52And basically, it's what they're doing is they're taking the raw energy that
- 12:57formed as that garage band.
- 12:59And then they're just kind of watering it down for the capitalistic algorithm
- 13:04of life. And what I really enjoy, honestly, is that garage band,
- 13:11that raw sound with the mistakes.
- 13:13You know, to me, that is fucking music. I'm telling you, that's where it really is.
- 13:20I miss that. And that's why I like listening too.
- 13:25And now to change kind of the subject a little bit, as far as music goes, we,
- 13:32We have something horrible happening. And I see this every time I'm reading
- 13:37about a band, no matter who the band is, like on Facebook or whatever.
- 13:41Oh, they have a new song. Oh, they're back on the road or this.
- 13:45Hundreds and hundreds of negative comments on every damn thing.
- 13:50You don't see anybody just saying, hey, man, it's great to see them back.
- 13:53Hey, that was a halfway decent song.
- 13:55Or, you know, that song didn't really, you know, it's all I hated it.
- 13:59This is they they suck. Like they did, it's never anything positive because
- 14:04again, what happens now, this day and age, everybody's worried about the gatekeeping
- 14:09and, oh, it's only my music.
- 14:11Just the music I listen to is the only thing that's going to be out there.
- 14:14And that's the only thing I'm going to listen to. And I don't care about anything else.
- 14:18And I also think people just have this thing like, okay, maybe you don't like
- 14:23the band, but where's your band?
- 14:25You know, did your band sell out, you know, three or four arenas, you know?
- 14:31These bands have the background. You either like them or you don't.
- 14:36That's what I, and you know, it's much like this show.
- 14:40We could reach six or seven people a day. No big deal. Because we don't have
- 14:45a team of people behind us pushing this forward.
- 14:47Because we are raw, we're authentic, and we're putting out what we feel works.
- 14:53People are going to like us or people are not going to like us.
- 14:56This is the same thing with music today.
- 14:59Yeah, exactly. And I actually think that if everybody just does that,
- 15:04learns to quit editing themselves in casual conversation, in the art they put
- 15:08into the world, whatever that be, podcast, painting, music.
- 15:13Energy work, you know what I mean?
- 15:15Whatever it is that you're doing I think if people just get
- 15:18more raw more themselves I think everything
- 15:21is just gonna like little fairy
- 15:24godmother I really have
- 15:27this belief that if everybody was just their
- 15:30real raw self anything that
- 15:33needs to be worked out which is rarely as much as people
- 15:36think automatically does and we
- 15:39all fit together like these little puzzle pieces and that's
- 15:42how communities are supposed to build but we're stuck
- 15:45in this place where like you're supposed to be able to do it all yourself within
- 15:49a set system and then you're supposed to find someone
- 15:52else who can do it all themselves in that system and then
- 15:54team up and pick one of your guys's dreams and like go
- 15:57for it you know what i mean like that's kind of like how
- 16:01everything is but like that's just it doesn't work for people
- 16:04we don't like that that's why the system's crumbling is
- 16:07because even though people are going through it with their actions
- 16:10their their energy is not behind it they don't believe in the system anymore
- 16:13that's why it just has to crumble and something new
- 16:16is going to be built and i think if we're all real about
- 16:19it and just learn out loud get ugly if you have to like it's fine we'll actually
- 16:24build something just so beautiful that actually works for everybody but if we
- 16:28keep trying to be perfect and we try to build the perfect world and fix the
- 16:32system perfectly like we don't
- 16:34even know enough to do that do you know what i mean Like we've got to,
- 16:37we've got to like see what everybody's got to offer.
- 16:41Everybody's stuck at their nine to five. They're not able to create.
- 16:45They're not able to do what they came here to do.
- 16:50And on that note, and especially with the music thing, try and put this into words.
- 16:58Whatever music you like, whatever music you enjoy, that's your space.
- 17:03And people need to respect that space. At that same time,
- 17:09The person next to you may be listening to a whole different brand of music,
- 17:13a whole different genre, one that you don't like, but that's their space.
- 17:18And once we start recognizing we all have these little spaces,
- 17:22the thing is what we have in common is the music.
- 17:26Regardless of what type of music it is, what genre it is, we have the music.
- 17:31And the music is what's supporting everything. It is the foundation for everybody.
- 17:37We can relate it to food When we go into different cultures Food is the ultimate
- 17:42communication Even when you can't speak the same language Sharing of food Is
- 17:48like the ultimate Welcoming into a community,
- 17:52Sharing your music Is the ultimate way Into another person's world Because music
- 17:58creates that world For that person And when you hear the music that they're
- 18:02listening to You get a good idea Of what that person's all about Oh, yeah, for sure.
- 18:07I was having so much fun sharing music back and forth with you.
- 18:10You know, we're all talking about what's going on in our world and then sending
- 18:14music and we're like, oh, yeah, that is their vibe.
- 18:17That is what they're doing right now. Yeah, and it's true. Yeah, I did.
- 18:21I listened to some of those songs and I said, okay, well, this is probably what
- 18:25Lizzie is listening to right now. And this is Lizzie being Lizzie in her world.
- 18:29You get that glimpse into it. And that's the beauty of music.
- 18:32And that's the spiritual connection of music.
- 18:36And we need to recognize it a little bit more.
- 18:39And we need to cut the gatekeeping and we need to cut the comments. comments.
- 18:43And we just need to just respect that everybody has an ounce of talent somewhere.
- 18:49And all we need to do is encourage that person, just like they could turn around and encourage you.
- 18:54Yeah, and I think we need to chill a little bit on what we don't like in the world.
- 18:59Like, if you really don't like it, just don't look at it. Don't listen to it.
- 19:02Walk away. But I also challenge you to explore why.
- 19:07Because really, if you didn't have an emotional charge against it,
- 19:11then it wouldn't bother you. You just either would tune it out or whatever.
- 19:16You know what I mean? But if you've got a piece of art or music or a person
- 19:20that's like, you know, there's an emotional charge.
- 19:24And I see this a lot with people Like they just like can't stand country music
- 19:28Or they can't stand You know what I mean Whatever it is And it's just like it's
- 19:33kind of interesting Because I wonder what emotions they have wrapped up in that.
- 19:38Yeah that's a very good point Like how is it bothering you so much I get it
- 19:42there's just certain things You just don't vibe with The sound just doesn't work for you,
- 19:47And there's hundreds of bands that I listen to But
- 19:50they have some songs where I say Wow that's just a crappy song it
- 19:53just doesn't sound right and these are normal but
- 19:56people are taking it to the to their egos because
- 20:00i don't like this nobody else should let
- 20:03me tell the whole world how much i hate this where is
- 20:07that charge coming from like oh turn
- 20:10it off i hate this change the station like respect
- 20:13okay fine you know you don't have to listen to it
- 20:16but also why why does that bother you
- 20:19so much yeah yeah we've had
- 20:23like especially when i was in middle school it was always you know
- 20:25during that time uh rap and
- 20:28hip-hop was just starting to form it was in its infancy and there was always
- 20:34the metalheads and then the hip-hop and there was always that divide but it
- 20:38was a healthy one because we still supported a lot of that and even anthrax
- 20:44they came out um with the songs uh with um.
- 20:49What's his name? Flavor Flav. And they merged heavy metal and rap.
- 20:58And they came out with the song, Bring the Noise.
- 21:02Dude, still to this day, so damn relevant to see something like that happen.
- 21:07And it's still a song when it comes on.
- 21:09I got to get up and dance and slam into the walls because it just brings back
- 21:13so much emotion from those days.
- 21:15Even when we were saying, oh, we don't like the hip-hop guys Or we don't like
- 21:19the metal guys This year brought everybody together,
- 21:23Yeah, and you know Just the same as with the emotional charge In the songs that
- 21:27you can't stand It's the ones that you just like Love and obsess over,
- 21:32Like it's just, like you said Like a beautiful expression Into your own was happening And I think,
- 21:40Yeah, maybe I need to send you More songs, Gary, if you're not connecting to
- 21:44enough of them because there's a lot of beautiful ones that are being created.
- 21:50Yeah i i don't mind listening like i
- 21:52say it's just lately i just think the emotion fell
- 21:55out of a lot of these mainstream bands i'm finding like a couple of them that
- 21:59i actually resonate with and there's very few of them but it's just the past
- 22:0410 years music just lost its soul and i'm blaming the music industry i think
- 22:09the direction that these bands are trying to go into because They're saying,
- 22:13oh, well, it's going to sell an album.
- 22:15I don't think music ever should be trying to sell an album.
- 22:18Obviously, you want to become famous, but I think you really just need to concentrate
- 22:22really on the music more than the direction the music wants to take you in,
- 22:27if I'm saying that right.
- 22:31Yeah, exactly. You're supposed to create something because you want to create it.
- 22:35And then you share it with the world because the people who connect with it
- 22:39are going to love it. And the people who aren't are going to move on.
- 22:42And as you go on creating, like, okay, sure, maybe some people get famous, maybe not.
- 22:46But honestly, in the new world, I don't really think people are going to get
- 22:49famous like they used to.
- 22:51I really think it's going to be the smaller influencer. It's going to be more local people.
- 22:56I think the world's going to get bigger and smaller at the same time.
- 22:59And I think that more people will come out with really, really beautiful things,
- 23:05More opportunity to connect with it But in order to do that,
- 23:09people really need to let go of hating things.
- 23:12You know, just reroute a little. Yeah, I think that's a big key to all of this.
- 23:18It's just, you know, sit down and listen to things.
- 23:21Listen to things you don't normally listen to. You'll find that there's a lot
- 23:25of similarity across all music genres.
- 23:27They all have their roots going way back, and we just kept expanding.
- 23:32It's almost like the universe. It started with that big bang, and it just expanded.
- 23:35So we started with a sound, and then we turned it into notes,
- 23:39and then we turned it into chords,
- 23:41and we built music, and then there's music theory and it just kept
- 23:44expanding and different genres just kept coming out of it so
- 23:46in the grand scheme of things when we bring it all back
- 23:49they're all related everything's all related and that's the wonder of music
- 23:54and even sometimes i wish i could play music on here but again then there's
- 23:59always copyrights and then you get in trouble and they take your podcast and
- 24:02all that so we can't even have like music playing in the background and i would always love that.
- 24:07Something that will drive the theme of us, you know, like a theme song for us.
- 24:12It's fantastic. And of course I could do it if I pay for the license,
- 24:14but I don't want to pay for anything. That's the problem.
- 24:17Maybe we need to get somebody to write us a theme song.
- 24:21We can reach out to the audience and I tell you, if there are any musicians
- 24:24out there, just want to get your sound out there.
- 24:27Yeah. Write us a theme song or just write some music that we could have to play
- 24:31at the beginning. I'll definitely do that for you.
- 24:33You know, Well, it's kind of an exchange of energy right there. Not a bad idea.
- 24:38Um okay okay on the topic of music
- 24:41but just like a little bit off i was we were talking
- 24:44about marinating the other day i went
- 24:47and i bought a marinate i'm gonna marinate some tofu
- 24:50and it's i'm so i'm so excited about it
- 24:53but in connection to music i think music is one of the best ways to marinate
- 25:00in a frequency over the last couple of years i went through a phase i'm just
- 25:04getting out of it kind of slowly over the last six months but i just like only
- 25:08listened to happy kind of.
- 25:11Affirmationy you know thing and that's kind
- 25:14of what i was doing was i was marinating in frequencies i
- 25:17didn't understand because once
- 25:21you once you know a frequency you can copy
- 25:24it it exists in you you know what i mean and
- 25:27so if you get to know a frequency you've never experienced through
- 25:30a piece of art and then you kind of marinate in
- 25:33it and it kind of sinks into all the little pores of your
- 25:36existence it's like even without that
- 25:39piece of art it exists as part of you now and
- 25:43you can just kind of like bring that up and definitely I was way too limiting
- 25:48on myself but I was like I was doing a thing it was important for my face but
- 25:52um I think that that is something that's still just so very powerful to just
- 25:57marinate in a frequency.
- 26:01And music is a good one to do because you can do it throughout your day.
- 26:04Whereas like art, you can marinate in a frequency, but then you got to stare
- 26:07at it, you know, like a painting, which is beautiful too, but you only have
- 26:12so much time for that. I'm a multitasker.
- 26:15I want to marinate while I'm living in the 3D world.
- 26:20Yeah, I like that. And with the marinating, yeah, because I go through...
- 26:24You know, days like that, I might have like four or five songs I'm only going to listen to.
- 26:29And only those four or five songs, because in that moment I'm marinating in
- 26:33that. That's, that's my marinate, you know?
- 26:35And then, um, it may be just one band or just one artist that I'm just going
- 26:40to sit and listen to all day and nobody else.
- 26:43Cause I'm marinating. Cause whatever frequency that, that I'm on is matching that.
- 26:48And so, yeah. And we come out nice and tasty afterwards.
- 26:53Exactly. i think i drive my daughter crazy because
- 26:56i'll pick you know like 10 to 20 songs at a
- 26:59time and i just kind of play those songs for a
- 27:02while like probably too much
- 27:05and you know if it's not the groove that she's on then that can get pretty annoying
- 27:09but i i see now that that's what i was saying was i was just marinating in the
- 27:13frequencies well we hope everybody else marinates beautifully as well i know
- 27:19everybody probably has so much to say about music and their favorite bands or favorite songs,
- 27:25favorite memories we have from a certain song or a band or a group or a certain concert we went to.
- 27:31Those stories could go on and on and on. So allow them to open up your heart,
- 27:36open up your mind to these things,
- 27:38allow it to alchemize, let it take over, bring back those beautiful memories,
- 27:42bring back all those beautiful moments that you've had, put on those songs,
- 27:46get those playlists going, turn that radio up.
- 27:49If it's too loud, you're too old, let's go and rock.
- 27:53So I hope everybody enjoyed this little music episode.
- 27:58We definitely enjoy having you here. I hope this here broke up the sequence
- 28:02of all the spiritual stuff, but we put it into a different light for you,
- 28:06which is what we're trying to do to keep things exciting rather than just mundane all the time.
- 28:13So be ready because we've got some other episodes that are going to be coming
- 28:17up that are going to be just kind of like this, where we're going to go off
- 28:20track a little bit, and we're really going to start expanding what we talk about here.
- 28:25Lizzie and I, we're prepared for it, but we want to thank you again for listening.
- 28:30We really enjoy having you, and I enjoy having you, Lizzie. Thank you for coming
- 28:34on and bringing up the subject.
- 28:37Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely.
- 28:40You have a great one. And everybody, be blessed, be healthy, and stay safe.