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Patriots Unfiltered 2/3: Anniversary of SB XXXVI and SB LIII, Brian Flores' Lawsuit Against NFL, Patriots at the Pro Bowl · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. Brett and Austen. I think Brady's
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  Speaker 1: You cannot be the head coach in the NFL and
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday, there's been yet another major NFL story and
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  Speaker 1: guess what. Patriots are directly connected to it as always
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of ways. Um, and today is a
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  Speaker 1: very special anniversary in Patriot's history. We'll get to that
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure other topics on over the next two hours.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Eric Scalvino, Paul Perillo might do so, are here
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  Speaker 1: with me, Matt Morrell producing behind the glasses usual, Fred
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  Speaker 1: was a tour to Fred, right, so that was his
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  Speaker 1: contribution for the everybody apparently damn skipping through the list, right,
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  Speaker 1: but it's um, it's the Thursday before the Pro Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Mac Jones involved, He's inolved. He wrote a little something
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  Speaker 1: about the Skills Challenge. Yeah, skills tonight next weekend is
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But we had some major news, uh,
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  Speaker 1: since the last shows. I started off with former Patriots
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  Speaker 1: assistant and former Dolphins coach Brian Flores filing suit with
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  Speaker 1: the NFL over claims of discriminatory hiring practices throughout the league,
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  Speaker 1: and he cited specific teams, specific examples, and he used
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  Speaker 1: specific text messages from the head coach here ye and
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and how he discovered that he wasn't getting
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  Speaker 1: the Giants job for which he hadn't yet interviewed, but
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  Speaker 1: was about to interview ya for and they ended up
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  Speaker 1: giving it to another Brian who used to coach here,
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  Speaker 1: and so maybe there were confusion. So, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we Paul, you and I we we've talked before about
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  Speaker 1: how like, you know, we used to see Flow a
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  Speaker 1: lot here in the building and got to know him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, in passing as much as
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  Speaker 1: you can get to as much as you can get
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  Speaker 1: to know these guys because they spend so much time
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  Speaker 1: working around here. But I always had a good, you know,
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  Speaker 1: rapport with him whenever we had a chance to talk
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  Speaker 1: with with Flow. I don't know if you ever got
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  Speaker 1: to he was already gone by the time you got here,
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  Speaker 1: right in twenty nineteen. But um, what do we what
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  Speaker 1: do we make of of of this? I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: league came out almost immediately with a yeah, they stepped
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  Speaker 1: in it against as they are want to do with
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  Speaker 1: the statement saying like there's no merit to any of this,
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  Speaker 1: Like okay, well you're just gonna spend five minutes looking
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  Speaker 1: at this and say there's no merit to it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was pretty detailed floors and some of the examples
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  Speaker 1: that he gave. They did correct it because there's two
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  Speaker 1: different things. God, there's a discrimination suit, uh, you know
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  Speaker 1: about the hiring practices, and that's what the NFL responded
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  Speaker 1: to because they had very quickly. Denver had very detailed
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  Speaker 1: defense of because it was Denver the Giants in Miami,
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  Speaker 1: the three teams and Denver and the Giants, it was
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  Speaker 1: about the discriminatory hiring practices in Denver immediately had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of detail describing that it wasn't a sham of
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  Speaker 1: an interview. But that's a separate issue, and you could,
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  Speaker 1: certainly you could argue in terms of you know, humanity,
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  Speaker 1: that's far more important. You know, if if you're dealing
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  Speaker 1: with the fact that there's one black head coach in
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  Speaker 1: the National Football League and you know you have a
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  Speaker 1: seventy percent workforce, is minorities that you could argue is
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  Speaker 1: a more important issue. But in terms of football and
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  Speaker 1: what is more important for the NFL. The other part
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  Speaker 1: of the suit to me blows it away. And the
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  Speaker 1: NFL is not hiding from that at all. In terms
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  Speaker 1: of the without merit, they are investigating it. And that's
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  Speaker 1: whether or not Stephen Ross through games, right because I
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  Speaker 1: think it's what what what Brian Flores is alleging is
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  Speaker 1: that the Miami Dolphins through football games. He offered one
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars incentive bonus for every game that the
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  Speaker 1: Dolphins lost. And if that's true, first of all, it's
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  Speaker 1: ridiculously damaging to the NFL. Second of all, I think
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  Speaker 1: you've seen the last of Stephen Ross as an owner
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. And if they can prove that he's
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  Speaker 1: got he gots to go. And this was alleged to
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  Speaker 1: have happened in Flores' first year there, twenty nineteen, which
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  Speaker 1: was the year before Joe Burrow and um uh blanking
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  Speaker 1: ta and and the kids from the charges escaping me
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  Speaker 1: right now, justin thank you. Going into the two, there
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  Speaker 1: were a lot of quarterbacks. Ta was available. Burrow wasn't
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  Speaker 1: even on the radar at the time. Going into that season,
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  Speaker 1: Tua was the guy. The object of everybody desired. Then
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  Speaker 1: two we got hurt. And while two we got hurt
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  Speaker 1: in that season, Burrow was ripping it up and Burrow,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sort of leapfrog to the front of the
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  Speaker 1: line as the target. So that's the whole idea was.
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  Speaker 1: And again, tanking and trying to position yourself for draft
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  Speaker 1: picks is nothing new in any sport, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think anybody really has a huge problem with it. This
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  Speaker 1: is different than tanking. This is trying to lose. This
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  Speaker 1: is trying to throw the game right. Like I want you, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: you're my quarterback, I'm your coach. I'm telling you throw
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  Speaker 1: an interception here. I don't want you to succeed. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to lose. Like there's a difference between putting
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  Speaker 1: out young, inexperienced players and telling them go out there
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  Speaker 1: and play hard, earn yourself an NFL career. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be overmatched. As the general manager, I know
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen. We're probably gonna lose more often
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  Speaker 1: than not because we're not experience like the Jets this year. Now,
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  Speaker 1: to me, this calls into question with some of these teams, Well, well,
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  Speaker 1: you're tanking or were you openly trying to lose? Were
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  Speaker 1: you throwing the game? Yeah? And Stephen Ross has all
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  Speaker 1: these connections to gambling and investing with DraftKings and whatnot,
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  Speaker 1: and this is this is not this is not good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not good, Bob. A couple of a couple of thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and I love how you kind of laid
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  Speaker 1: it out, because I just wonder how it's all going
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  Speaker 1: to get parsed out as you get into like the
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  Speaker 1: legal rigamarole of all this, and you know, can you know,
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  Speaker 1: does that one part of it blow up? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I think everybody acknowledges that the Rooney rule
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  Speaker 1: is kind of treated mostly as a joke, and and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's you know what set seemed to set
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  Speaker 1: Floras off. And well, and it has been ever since
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  Speaker 1: it was instituted, right, and oh we've and that's what
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  Speaker 1: the insinuation was that everybody kind of knows what they're doing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but we got to bring in a minority.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, in that regard, it seems like, you know, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: the Bill Belichick snaffoo with the Bryans is kind of
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  Speaker 1: what set it all off. And that's what he decided
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  Speaker 1: to kind of go, you know, a hand, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say too just you know,
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  Speaker 1: credit to Brian Flora's in terms of making this stand,
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  Speaker 1: because I think everybody agreed that, like, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: were all wondering why you got fired from Miami. It
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  Speaker 1: seemed it seemed wrong. And now at least you have
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  Speaker 1: some more context of some of the things that have
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  Speaker 1: been going on in Miami, some of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: weird moves that they've made, you know, the Vanoy thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean not to say that that's connected to this,
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  Speaker 1: but I just feel like we had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: conversation this year about something's going on in Miami that
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  Speaker 1: we don't quite know. It just doesn't seem quite right there.
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  Speaker 1: And then Flora's getting fired. Everyone was like, my god,
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  Speaker 1: he should have his pick of the pick of jobs
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  Speaker 1: coming out of it. So, you know, for a coach
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  Speaker 1: to be at that point where he certainly is well
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  Speaker 1: respected around the league and would have had certainly has
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  Speaker 1: interest and I mean he's in the middle of job interviews,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, for him to you know, make this
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  Speaker 1: move now, I think it says a lot about him.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what everybody has said about him and now,
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  Speaker 1: but I you know, I can't help but think certainly
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  Speaker 1: the Rooney rule and that whole operation, you know, is
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  Speaker 1: due for a makeover or you know, blow it up
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  Speaker 1: and do something else. But I think Paul is right.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest part of it is that Stephen Rossing and
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  Speaker 1: the integrity of the game and those things, and you
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  Speaker 1: know that how does that all play out? When I
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  Speaker 1: want to be sent when I say that, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to brush under the rug the fact that
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  Speaker 1: there's one black head coach in the National Football League,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't want to just make
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  Speaker 1: light of that. But in terms of of long Leaf,
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  Speaker 1: I mean this has I mean, there haven't been enough
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  Speaker 1: minorities in charge of teams in all sports, you know, forever,
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  Speaker 1: and it's an ongoing problem. It's it's probably a problem
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  Speaker 1: that society is going to constantly be working to fix, right.
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  Speaker 1: But to have a league that is potentially throwing games,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's that's the number one cardinal sin of
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  Speaker 1: all athletics. When you watch it, you know, when you
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  Speaker 1: watch competition, you have to it has to be of
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  Speaker 1: the belief that it's gonna happen up and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think if just think about all the different ramifications
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  Speaker 1: that could happen, Mike, if you you know, one day,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, in twenty nineteen, did you bet on
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the Dolphins? Are you now going and
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  Speaker 1: putting yourself part of our class action suits and likes?
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  Speaker 1: I lost three thousand dollars on the Dolphins that year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well they were trying to lose. Yeah, right, I want
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  Speaker 1: my money back. And you know, you know, assuming you
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  Speaker 1: were getting you know, legal scamble, right, not like you
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  Speaker 1: can't go to Joey the nose. Yeah, good luck with that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think just to you know, to compliment that
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  Speaker 1: I have to pay me the same thing you can
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  Speaker 1: have with minority coaches who went through the process and
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  Speaker 1: felt like it was a sham. And yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this could open the door. Just like that could open
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  Speaker 1: the door to that side of the lawsuit, the other
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  Speaker 1: side of it could be open. And I think you're
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  Speaker 1: hearing some of the coaches now mentioned that as well,
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  Speaker 1: that you know they had similar experiences. Is this like
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  Speaker 1: this thing's already been decided? Um, you know, unfortunately, I
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  Speaker 1: think just Bill's mistake just gave you kind of a
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  Speaker 1: clear picture, and we should probably explain that like there
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  Speaker 1: was and there's a couple of schools with thought, But
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  Speaker 1: basically there's a text exchange betwe Queen Flores and Belichick
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  Speaker 1: where Belichick is basically telling Flora's that, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he thinks he's got he's got it, he's hearing got
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  Speaker 1: the giants, hearing from Buffalo and people, you got it.
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  Speaker 1: It's you, it's yours, you know, and Flora's response by saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I really think I have a good shot. I'm interviewing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whenever tomorrow he had an interviewed yet. And
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  Speaker 1: then I think at that point they both kind of realized,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if he knows that he's talking to Brian Flora,
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  Speaker 1: well maybe the Buffalo should have tipped him off, because
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  Speaker 1: like why would Buffalo? Right, Yeah, but I think he
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  Speaker 1: might have Yeah, And then Belichick said that he miss
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  Speaker 1: ran a previous text and left up. Um so now
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  Speaker 1: the schools of thought are that he was he thought
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  Speaker 1: he was texting Dable but was texting Floors instead, which
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  Speaker 1: everybody has done a million times. Um, it's not really
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  Speaker 1: that that big a deal, and it's not all that
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  Speaker 1: uncommon in this case. It just kind of illustrated the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Flora has never really had a chance to
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  Speaker 1: get the job before he interviewed. The other school of
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  Speaker 1: thought is that he knew he was, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he he maybe like, I'm a little fixated on the
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  Speaker 1: I misread the text thing, and I'm wondering if maybe
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  Speaker 1: you know, the information that he received from the Giants
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  Speaker 1: or whoever said that, yeah, Brian's got the job, and
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  Speaker 1: as he thought Flores. No, I don't know where Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: factors into that. That's why to me, I'm more likely
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  Speaker 1: to think that he thought he was texting Dable because
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo and the Giants. But maybe, you know, maybe Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: people said, yeah, Dabele isn't getting it, Flores is getting it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So and and and
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, I just wonder about that part. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't I'll stayed up front. I don't buy any
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  Speaker 1: of these conspiracy theories that Belichick did this on purpose
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  Speaker 1: and just trying to take down the Giants or leave whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I just like, can we stop with that? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think he either texted he either texted
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  Speaker 1: Flores thinking it was Dabele, or he thought it was
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  Speaker 1: getting the job right. Yeah, it's one of those two
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  Speaker 1: things right in my in my mind. Yeah, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: do I know for sure? No, but those that's my opinion, right,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a lot. Excuse me, it's a logical conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: Either of those are a logical, uh conclusion to make.
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  Speaker 1: It's also worth noting a former NFL coach, Hugh Jackson
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  Speaker 1: apparently is jumping in on the Floor's suit saying that Cleveland,
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  Speaker 1: when he was there, also was doing similar things with
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  Speaker 1: you know, asking him to lose games on purpose in
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  Speaker 1: exchange for payments, and that he refused. Now his explanation
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  Speaker 1: seemed kind of odd to me, but who knows, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to as I'm reading this, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you guys had a similar thought too. But and as
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  Speaker 1: we say, did we We knew Floors a little bit
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  Speaker 1: when when he was here, and always liked him. If
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  Speaker 1: I were in his position, if I were my first
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  Speaker 1: year as a head coach in the NFL. I'm with
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  Speaker 1: this new team. It's a dream come true. I have
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  Speaker 1: this gig. And then the owner, very influential person comes
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  Speaker 1: down and says, this is what you're gonna do, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you this much every time you do it.
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  Speaker 1: What would I have done if I were him? Would
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  Speaker 1: I have? Would I have? Like, well, obviously, like Floris said, no,
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  Speaker 1: he was trying to win games. He was doing the
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  Speaker 1: right thing. That's that's great, But like what it would
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  Speaker 1: it have stopped there? Would I have? Would I have
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  Speaker 1: said no, I'm not doing it, and and be I'm
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  Speaker 1: not coaching for you anymore? How dare you? Would I
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  Speaker 1: have shut up, taken it because I have the dream
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  Speaker 1: job of my life and covered it up? Would I
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  Speaker 1: have continued to do that? What I mean? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer to that is. And
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody has to ask themselves that question too,
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  Speaker 1: because it seems like maybe, and maybe you're right. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: these text messages from Bill were the tipping point where
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  Speaker 1: he said, look, I'm sick of this, I can't take anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta do something. And that was maybe the straw
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  Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back. I mean, it's just another
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  Speaker 1: piece of it too. Is is like maybe you think, well,
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  Speaker 1: if I tank and I get a better draft pick,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a better player. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: you know, it'd be better for me maybe long term.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, these are all you know, considerations that you
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  Speaker 1: can make, um, you know, quick aside. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: just feel like a part of this like go towards
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  Speaker 1: maybe the draft doesn't need to be so cut and
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  Speaker 1: dry of the worst team gets the first pick. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's some kind of all Fred on me hears of
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  Speaker 1: of of of lottery, you know, where you have the
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  Speaker 1: top ten teams are all in the you know for
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just it just seems like now with
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  Speaker 1: this it's coming out, maybe other teams are doing this
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  Speaker 1: and if it's you know, that easy where you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're if you ever the lesson you're getting the
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  Speaker 1: first pick. I don't know. The only thing is that
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  Speaker 1: there's just as much tanking going on in the NBA
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  Speaker 1: as any other sports. So I just don't think Fred
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  Speaker 1: has had that long standing belief that this should be
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  Speaker 1: some kind of thing like that. Um. But that's a
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  Speaker 1: separate issue and maybe worth discussing on another show about
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  Speaker 1: the draft and just the whole process. Um. But to
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  Speaker 1: the other point about you know, and this is hard
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  Speaker 1: to know because you don't know what exactly you know. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Stephen Ross says, I need you to lose. I
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  Speaker 1: need you to do everything you can to lose those
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  Speaker 1: which you know. In other words, we're taking it beyond tanking,
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  Speaker 1: like because I think you can sit the guy down,
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  Speaker 1: which is what I think happened with Cleveland by the way, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I think you sit the guy down and you say, listen,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna strip this down. We're gonna we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna deal off some assets and we're gonna take some lumps.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. Your job is gonna be safe.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be patient with you, and we're gonna we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna suffer through that. We know we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: be a very good team in twenty nine. We're not
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  Speaker 1: going to take it out on you. But you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna get You're not going anywhere. We believe in you.
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  Speaker 1: You're part of the future. That's tanking to me, Yeah,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: but now you're taking taking to a different level by saying, listen, Brian,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I know that what we have set up here is
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: probably like a four and twelve team that ain't good enough.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I need you to go two and fourteen. We gotta
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: get to Hyeah. Well, we got to get Joe Burrow. Okay,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: which is different. I'm throwing games right, So now does
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: does Flores step back and say, mister Ross, I can't
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: do that, which apparently he did, and then Ross accepts
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: it said okay, So now if I'm Brian Floors, I'm like, okay,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you know, we're just you know, we're just gonna tank.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So he's okay or was it an ongoing problem like
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: he continued to say, you gotta do this, you gotta
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: do this, you gotta do this, and he just said no,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing all those things. Then finally he gets fired,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna blow the whistle on it, because
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I kind of wonder why he didn't blow the whistle
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: earlier than he did, but especially if he got fired
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: for it, like that might be a good time just
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to do it. Right. No, well, well obviously he got
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: he got fired. I think he got fired for insubordination.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: And that sounds like Flores deserved to be fired. I'm
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: not saying that, right, but in Ross's mind, he was insubordinate.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I told him to do a couple of things right
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: that he refused to do. Yeah, you know, like you know,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and there's the other part with what we haven't even
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: touched on with the Tampa n potentially with Tom Braid. Yeah,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: you know, having prominent quarter going to a meeting quote
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: un quote, you know you were here, Tom. I mean
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: this is maybe a nuts maybe a nuts and bolts question.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: But what would you do as a head coach if
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you decided you wanted to lose a game? Like, how
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: would you how would you do it? What would be
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the you know, the method because it's well, i'd say
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: of your quarterback. No, but I think Paul points. I
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: think Paul kind of brought it up where it's like, Okay,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you tell your starter you're gonna you're gonna sit this
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: one out, or you're gonna sit out after the first quarter. Like,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: all right, that's enough. You said, that's the personnel. But
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: this is to me different, Like this is personnel decisions
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: can help you lose games. Yeah, I think Ross is
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: openly telling him do things that will make us lose.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: What do you think what's the best way to play
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: defense in this game? You know, Tampa two and don't
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: do it. Let's go eleven on the opposite Let's go
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: eleven on the line and just blitz all day. Oh,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: we're playing Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback of all time,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: against the Blitz kind of like, kind of that reminds
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: me of the bos the Jets Raiders yell, Which is
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: why I say this calls into a lot question a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: lot of these things. It also puts a different light
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: on that season ending Week nineteen game right here against
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the against the Patriots, right, like especially like, I have
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: no doubt that the twenty nineteen Dolphins tanked all year,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: but I also have no doubt that they played hard
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: all year, do you know what I mean? Right? So,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I think Flora's one quote unquote in twenty nineteen, if
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: if Ross was telling him to lose on purpose, flora
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Is one by saying, we're gonna lose our shared games
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: because we're getting rid of Mica Fitzpatrick and larn Me Tunsil, right,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: all of our good players. We're gonna go, We're going young,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: We're gonna lose, but we're gonna play hard. Right, And
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: they did, right, And and the trading of like guys
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: like Fitzpatrick and those other ones, Flora's can say that's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: out of my hands because they had at GM that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: he's making the stuff right, Uh, yeah, that's I mean,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that's just what's hard. It's like and and does it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: even have to be explicit that Flores said no? Did
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: he I mean, I'm not saying he said yes, But
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: did he be you know, did he play the middle
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: of the field and be like, all right, we'll see
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: what we can do. But only he knows what really
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: did that? I know? But maybe he was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: we're gonna try to lose in. But if he did that,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that is that then the natural conclusion would be that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Russ was paying him one hundred thousand for every one
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of those right, And Flora seemed to be adamant, saying
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that he turned down that request. He said no, right,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: but but I'm not seeing I don't. I don't have
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: any doubt that if it happened that Flores turned it down.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I don't really have any doubt because I, first of all,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's a dumb guy. And I don't
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: think if you do accept anything tacitly or otherwise, I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: don't think you're finally a lawsuit right if you were
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: exact exactly like, I don't write about this one hundred
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: thousand dollar check that I get I mean actually taking
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the money. I actually you actually did it. If you
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: actually did it, you're gonna call like and you're going
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna hire you. Right. No, No, I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I am fairly confident that he said in no uncertain
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: terms of we're not doing that, right. I just think
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it's a head coach. That's That's where I'm kind of
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: living right now, is is it's it's knowing what the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: head coach owner relationship is a little bit. It seems
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like there's some wiggle room into what I think as
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a head coach I need to do to lose this
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: game as to what the owner might win us or
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: what fans might be watching. So like you talked about,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my starting quarterback out in the same
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: quarter Like that's obvious, right, everybody able to say, what
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the hell's he doing? You know, whereas we're gonna blitz
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: some more than we probably should. It's a subtle thing
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that most people probably would have noticed and certain That's
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: why Eric brings up a great example of that all
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: out blits that the Jets did to give up the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: bomb against the rates that didn't pass the smell test
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: at the time. The guy got fired for it. But
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: now you wonder was there something else, you know, maybe
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: maybe it was Adam gas at it was so maybe
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Adam Gase wasn't in on it. Maybe the old maybe
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Woody Johnson, you know, or whatever Johnson was in charge.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Then um, maybe he went to Greg Williams and said, hey, yeah,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: let's see if let's see what we can do here.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Greig Williams, the guy who's been known to the rules
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: are right. It's just I just want to wake up
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: one day and there'll be a major NFL story and
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: we're not involved in anyway. But no, it just this
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: one's pretty close. I mean, this is there's a there's
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a text exchange that sort of illustrates that the Giants
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: had already made their decision right, And you know, I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: think that happens a million times. I've interviewed for jobs
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that I was told in no uncertain terms that yeah, yeah,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I can't happened to me twice. I mean, I just
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: think part of at his life now it's not apples
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to apples, because you can make an argument that Flores
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't a candidate because of his race, and you can't
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: make that argument with with me obviously, So maybe I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that. I think these teams that pick
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: other guys only they know what's in their heart, you know.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know John Marra, I don't know if he
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: really said, you know what, these two guys are really good,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: let's go with the white guy. Only he knows that,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you know. But that's to me, that's kind of hard
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to believe, especially they had like a they had a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: black general manager who won titles, right, Jerry Reese, Yes, right.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I mean I just can't I don't know if that's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: a whole whole different thing to me. And that's a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: mess too, and that's a problem, and they haven't been
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: able to fix it. Mike said it with the Rooney rule.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: The Rooney rule I think has done more harm than
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: good unfortunately, and I think in this case it's it's
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: really destroyed the giants the ownership. Because if they didn't
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: have the Rooney rule and they just hired Brian Dable,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: would anybody be calling them racists today? No? But because
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they had a Rooney Rule and they had to have
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores in and then they got caught as having
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: already identified the guy they wanted. Now, they're racist. Yeah,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it's just hard. It's it's it's hard, and I mean
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I was you know, it took a little encouragement last
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: night from seeing what they were doing at the Senior
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Bowl and they're having some you know, lower level coaches
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: step up and actually coach. I forget what they think
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: they called the elevating coaching, but Duce Staley was coaching
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: one of the teams. And you know, it's just it's
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: hard to to to legislate it and to come up
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: with a thing a rule like that and have that
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: be what just makes it okay. It's like everybody has
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to actively want it. And you know, I think the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: NFL has made some strides like that, but it's it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I think Brian Flora is what he's doing now is
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: gonna really throw the hammer down on it and you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: maybe hopefully pick up the pace and and you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: get rid of the charade of that, the charade of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you know, have an interview somebody and you know realize
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that you know, obviously there's plenty of talented minority coaches
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: out there that just take the chance and you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to continue to foster those guys and you know, give
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: them opportunities like they're doing at the Senior Bowl. So
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's such a complicated issue, like it and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like I want it to be I want and it's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: impossible to get this because, as Paul said, you don't
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: know what's in people's heads. You don't know why they're
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: making the decision they're making. I mean, it's very simplistic
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to extrapolate that because they hired one person over another,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it's because of you know, uh, superficial factors. But um,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: clearly there are more qualified minority coaches in the league
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: than there are coaches who are one. But how do
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you how do you mandate it? How do you make
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it happen? How do you force teams to hire it? Like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: how do you do that? I don't know. How do
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you prove that the fact that there's only one means
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it's racist? Right? It's it's I think it's a lot
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of grass roots. I mean that's I think you got
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to start at the at the lowest levels and you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and and really plant the plant the field, so to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: speak of, you know, putting these young coaches that have
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: potential and you know, giving them the tools to succeed
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and to grow and to you know, expose them to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: more things. I mean, you know how many coaches for
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the Patriots have come through the you know, the Minority
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Coaching Fellowship, a lot of their former players, I mean
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Troy Brown. So you know, I'm not saying that the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: NFL has gotten this one who's currently on the staff.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I do think that there are
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: things out there. Um, I just I think the Bruney
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: rules where you lose it because that's, like you said,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that's like mandating it. It becomes just kind of a box.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: You've got a check now again, whereas you know, when
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you're actively making effort at the at the lower levels
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and with the assistant coaches and you know, grooming them
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and giving them the experience so that when it does
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: come time to interview coaches, that these are coaches who
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: have done a lot and have experience and you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: coach both sides of the ball or multiple position groups.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And you know, then then it becomes you know less
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: about him or him, it's about whose experience, who's been
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: around and one of the things. And we will get
• 27:01
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• 27:04
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• 27:06
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• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we'll get to you. If you're writing in, we'll get
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: your emails as many as we can. But just to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: continue adding to that, one of the problems I think
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the NFL has always had, and maybe it's not just
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the NFL, maybe it's sports in general, but I focus
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: on this league. They seem to retread coaches. You know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a name that you recognize automatically gets associated with an
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: opening for a job because you know that name. You know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: like take, for instance, just throwing it out there because
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it's timely, Bill O'Brien's name. You know, the Patriots need
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. What Bill O'Brien obviously, because they know
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the name. He's been here before, obviously makes a lot
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of sense. But you know, why not one of these
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: other very qualified, you know, minority coaches who haven't had
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the opportunity yet. Why did they automatically go to think
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: familiar the same way about flora Is coming back. I
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: mean I'd be like, hey, I'd bring him back for
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the defense, sure, But I mean, like the retreading of
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: coaches to me has always been you know, like back
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in the day, like you know, Marty Schartenheimer who was
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a good coach, but like his name would always come
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: up when there was an opening, and it's like the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: North Turner another one, like there's always feel like that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: There's less of that now. I think, less aging out
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and well, I just think in general like the retreads,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: because I don't I mean I look at the jobs
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and I hear, you know, like last year, like I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: had never heard the name Nick Siriani last year, I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: mean either you know, No, I was familiar with Brandon Staley,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: but not to the point where I thought he got
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the job. This year, you know, Kevin O'Connell is the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: odds on favorite right now, I guess for the Minnesota
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Vikings job. Uh, you know David Culley last year, Like
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't know who David Cully was. Yeah, and he
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: gets a job you know with you Like, I just
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think that there is as much of that, Oh,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you know, who's the best available, uh Shannahan or Schottenheimer
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that we can hire, or you know, some guy who's
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: already had two jobs. I don't think there's as much
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of that going on right now. I think a big
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a part of it is you said Shanahan. I mean,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's some of the success of Kyle Shanahan
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: and kind of his tree, because a lot of these guys,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you know, McVeigh, they all kind of came out of that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So I think like part of what I think has
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: pushed some of those guys in. Some of those reach
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: heads have aged out, But I think it's been kind
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of the success of Shanahan the Rams though. That tree,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that's what's happening, really blossomed in. Look at them. Look
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: at what the McVeigh tree is doing right now. Yeah,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, it's in the Super Bowl, right this could
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: be the fourth year in a row. A guy off
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of his tree is going to get a job if
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: O'Connell gets it, and you know, you mentioned the individuals
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Byron Leftwich, you know with the Jags. Evidently that's his
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: job if he wants it. Yeah, I don't know what's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: if it's all about Trent Balky, I don't know, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't know what's going on there, but
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of Josh McDaniel's like a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: guy who's already had a job and he's gonna But
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, like I'm thinking of maybe more recently,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like a guy like Dan Quinn. It's great coordinator, Like
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: he was a head coach after the Super Bowl a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: few years ago. We got the Falcon's job, right, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: didn't work out with him with Atlanta, But as soon
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: as he gets fired as the head coach, he's scooped
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: up to automatically take a coordinator job elsewhere. Oh, like
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that's going to happen with everybody I know. But like
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that's that's my point, where like you don't want to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: force it, you know, because obviously these guys have connections
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: with coaches around the league, and you go with the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: guy you're familiar with, and you want to hire somebody
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that you already know. But like there's an opportunity there
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to maybe promote or given give a chance to somebody
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: who's working their way up and hasn't gotten a chance
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to do it before. Like I think there's there's too
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: much of a reflex reaction to automatically go with a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: name you know, as opposed to trying to do do
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the effort, make the effort to try to look for
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: somebody new and again that but again I don't want
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to force it. I don't think that's rael I. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: don't think I think that's the world. I mean, yes,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: but I think there's plenty, you know, like level of
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: familiarity with I mean that most can have. That's a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: coordinator job if he wants one. I mean, I don't
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: think there's any doubt about that, right, I'm just saying
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: it's it's that's something it is hard to that's hard
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to mandate, Like, no, you can't go with the guy
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you're familiar with, Like, how do you tell somebody that? Right?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: You know that? So it's it's it's almost an impossible
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: riddle to to try to to solve anyway. Uh, all right,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: anything else on the on the YAH because we like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to watch the Sports Hub and it's on and um,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing now that I guess Ian Rappaport
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: had a factoy that the Patriots were interested in possibly
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: trying to trade for Derek Carr prior to last season,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: before before before they drafted round and Mac Jones. Huh. Interesting,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I thought we I thought we had heard that kind
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of scuttle but a little bit at the time we did.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was like what do we
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: do a video about it, an on air thing, Okay,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I have to say I earned
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of respect for Derek Carr this year and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: just how he how he handled it, that the whole
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you know Gruden thing, and the leadership he showed, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, just a lot of the comeback ability I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: think he flashed throughout the year. If he had asked
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: me last year, I probably would have been nih But
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you know now, I mean, how old is he though
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: he's he's got to be around thirty, right, right, Derek Carr? Yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I I probably would have been
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: on board with that. Oh I would have. I would
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: have I would have taken Car last year. Yeah, yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and you would have loved him. It's different now you
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: drafted one if you know, but don't know you're gonna
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: be able to draft one. No, when you're looking into it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But I think if they had gotten Car last year,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: don't you think a lot of people would have looked
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: at that as oh, he's clearly another bridge quarterback until
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they find the regular guy. Because I don't think a
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people looked at Car the way they look
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: at him now. After the twenty two. Yeah, I mean,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I certainly don't um, but I think I would have
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: looked at him as he's a four to five. He's
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: he's a full four year contract starting quarterback guy for us.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But I think you can make an argument now, like
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: would you rather have Derek Carr for the next five
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: years or Mac Jones for the next five years? Yeah,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I could go either way. Yeah, if you guys can
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: probably convince me it's not one of it's it's a rare,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a rare topic. I'm not overly passionized. Well, I think
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Derek Carr's just the right amount of decent and mac
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Jones is just the right amount of rookie contract. And
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you ask me the same question next year and mac
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Jones comes out and improves by twenty percent across the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: board and everything, and I'll say, not close anymore, mac Jones, allow.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: And I mean another interesting part of the argument will
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: be seeing how how he does with Josh and how
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: he kind of assimilates into into that system and you
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: know what kind of success he has. That might be
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a preview of how things might
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: have looked here. All right, Uh, let's get some Uh,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: let's get some listeners involved in this here show. Let's
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: start on the ACE ticket hotline, Joaquin and Santa Rosa,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: good good morning out there, Good morning to you. How
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: are you guys doing good? How are you what's up?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Doing good? Doing good? Just a work just taking a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: little break one and chime in on you guys. Um,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a little late to the party. So, um, first,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I want to start off with what a hell of
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: a career Tom Brady had in the span of that time.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I mean just not only as a Patriots fan, but
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: as a you know, as a fan of his like
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: playing as well. I mean just incredible and I'm forever
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: think well as a Patriots fan for everything that he's
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: done for us. I mean just amazing. But I had
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: one question for you guys, and I'll take it off
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the air because I got to go back to work, right. Um, realistically,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: who do you guys see the Patriots getting or or
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I think getting is a little like too much for
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: what I would say, consider bringing in for the offensive
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: coordinator position and I'll take it off the air, all right,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Thanks Joaquin, appreciate the call. Yeah, I know rap Sheet
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: had a little bit on Bill O'Brien. Um, nothing definitive,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: but said, you know, if he thinks both sides would
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: have some interest in it. So it was a little
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: bit too Nick Saban said, not as far as I know. Um,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I know, I think that there was also some uh
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: some mention about Adam Gase, but I don't know how
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: many real like And we talked about familiarity, I mean,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and I think that's where you immediately go, especially with
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: this team, where I don't think you've seen a lot
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of high level coordinators kind of come in and and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: instantly step into to the new job when they haven't
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: really been here much. I mean, you know, it's it's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: obviously been a very small sample size in terms of
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. What have you had three, three or four guys? Um?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Defensively you've had a bunch of years you haven't even
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: had one, you know. Um. But in both cases, the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: systems haven't really changed. Yeah, right, that and that's and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that's why I think it's a little bit of an
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: unknown right now. And you know, even with a guy
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: like Gaye, who Bill Belichick's expressed uh, you know, support
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: of and you know he thinks he's a good coach
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and everything, but you know, just how is it going
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to change. Is he going to bring in somebody who's
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: kind of autonomous and you know, able to run the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: show like Joshua's last year with Mac and you know,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: let Bill do what he does? I mean, is he
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And then then we talked about it. Does it feed
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: into the defensive side, like, how's Bill going to divide
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: up his time this year? Is he going to spend
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I have to spend time with both sides
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of the ball as he gets a coordinator on the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: same page as him and his coaching staff, um, you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: or is he ready to promote somebody as the defensive
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: coordinator and you know, let or even bring somebody in
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and let them work and he just kind of does
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: more overseeing than anything. So I'm really curious how it's
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: all going to play out, how it will affect the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Patriots in terms of their system, in terms of what
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: they're asking Mac Jones to do this year, learning new
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: things or what. Um. And if it is somebody like
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Adam Gase, what what does he bring? What is the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: new kind of twist that you know, stylistically that that
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: he brings to the party. So um, But you know,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I think it always starts with Billy Oh and the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: familiarity and somebody who's been here and a move that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you know reasonably would seem to make sense for him
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to get back to the NFL level and you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: do what Josh did and return. Um. I've said before,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I love you know, the fact that he's had some
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: experience around the league and you know, had to coach
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: different quarterbacks and you know, has tried to take what
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: he learned here and apply it elsewhere and make it
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: digestible for other players. And you know, it's something that
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I think somewhat Josh was a little bit spoiled with
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that He coached Tom Brady and he's you know, working
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: every day with a guy who's completely on the same
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: page as him. They've been together forever. They know, they
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: speak the same language, and never you know, has less
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: experience trying to take that out and apply it to
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: other players. So, um, it's it's a it's a fascinating
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: question that this offseason, how they're going to go what
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: direction on both sides with the coordinator positions. Yeah, I
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: just wonder if they if they are at a point
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: where they you know, run out of guys who are
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: familiar with the system to coach. I might have to say, well,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go with somebody who may have
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: new ideas or you know, a new system entirely, which
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: is an ideal, but I think that there's some new ideas,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: like you know, and I don't want to to be
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: as like a shot at Josh or that, but I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: just you know, they've been here a while, like you
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: just you want a fresh set of eyes. You want
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you know, we knew last year kind of what that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: offense was, and you know how they would manufacture plays
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: sometimes with the double passes, trick plays, that kind of thing.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: You know what, what does the new coordinator bring that's new,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that's exciting that you know, maybe is something that opponents
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: aren't necessarily expecting. I think you've had a chance of
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years to lock in on this
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Patriots offense without Tom Brady, with Cam Newton, with Mac
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Jones and Josh McDaniel's at the helm. So you know
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: what changes now You've got a good little base for
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Mac to you know, build off of. I'm sure Josh
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you know, did a great job this year and you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: getting him into the NFL and getting him experience and
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I mean the way he was able to digest everything
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was you know, remarkable. Which quick aside, you know her
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Jim Naki talking last night on the Senior Bowl and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he just brought up Mac and you know, he said,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks here, a lot of times they come they
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: haven't even huddled up, and he's like, you know, you
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: look at Mac Jones was able to come in and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: just right away it was able to get in the huddle,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: get guys, you don't get the play out, break the huddle,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: get up and take the snap. And you know, just
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: even something as simple as that on the surface, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: think for a lot of fans might be like a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: no brainer. Alo of course any quarterback can do that. Um,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I think that you know, speaks a little bit to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you know, just Max's preparedness. But overall, how is a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: new OC gonna mesh with him? And again the other
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: been of news was the quarterback coach he's going to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Vegas as well. We did some of that. Yeah, I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: just hear agree over heart agree he's going to be
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach in with the Raiders. So, um, it'll
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: be a new a new staff in that room for
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Mac next year. So there's there's that first other domino
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: to fall. We were wondering who on the staff he
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: might take. They're interviewing other defensive coordinators too, because I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: had wondered, if you know, if Mayo might be it
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: might be a target for for them to grab. But
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: it seems like it seems like they're looking around and not.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they have him earmarked for it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: All right, another call here, Anthony's in Delaware on the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: stick at hotline. Hey, Anthony Hetty, are you guys down
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: pretty good? What's on your mind? I just said, I
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: think like three quick questions. Um. I don't know if
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you guys talked about it, but Adamazzare put out an
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: article a couple of days ago, maybe a week ago.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that the Patriots, I guess after the bye
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: week bill, his assistants take to lead. And I don't
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: know if you guys had any thoughts on that. I've
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: seen that. I've seen that around, mentioning that early on
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: he gave the defensive coaches freedom, he took over during
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the wind streak, and then he gave it back up.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know I've heard this mention,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: but I don't buy it. It seems to all fit
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: nicely with a narrative of Bill um and I mean, really,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: how like how much less involved is he? Like? Really
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Bill should just be given credit for being seven and
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: oh last year, right, and then those were the games
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: he helped out. I don't know. I mean, I do
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: think that what you can't argue with is that this
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: defense has kind of looked the same in the last
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: three years or the way it has been currently structured,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: especially with nineteen and twenty one, where you had everybody
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: pumping it up mid season about how good they were
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and the wheels just came completely off the bus. So
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: there's something going on there. I don't think that it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick not being involved enough. I just I think
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: that they need to figure out some kind of new
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: structure in there, whether it's bringing in a defensive coordinator.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: But it's just it's happened too much. They're not buying
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in at the most important time a year. They're playing
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: their worst football down with you, and that's that's a fact. Yeah,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: all right, And I just have two more quick questions
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: and I'll take them off the air. Okay, see jewels
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and I remember Paul mentioning something about jewels coming out
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: of retirement. I don't know if that was just or
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: about was something that was actually happening? No, And then
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: not something that was actually happening. No. I think he
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: just posted like a picture yeah, yeah, like he had
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: cleats on each Okay, maybe maybe I missed a joke
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: or something and it wasn't a joke. It was something
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: on like Twitter. Yeah, like you know, he posted a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: picture I think of his cleats or his gloves he
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: had to marking out. Yeah, like it looked like even
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: one of those cryptic kind of tweets. And then as
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: far as the Senior Bowl goals, Um, do you guys
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: think that because you know, we obviously take a lot
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: of people from the Senior Bowl. I think Plats Bulpa
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: has it. Since twenty ten, we've taken forty four players
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and then eleven additional ud says. Do you think that
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: kind of plays into the A? I mean, I guess
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: it's really my new But do you think that plays
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: into the age thing and all that kind of stuff?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by the age things? They like
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to draft older players. I think they draft a ton
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of underclassmen too, so I think the Patriots are not
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: adverse to getting players from anywhere. Thanks Anthony, No, I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: never I never heard that. I never heard that they
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: like to draft older players, well, senior Bowl players. That's
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: what he's saying. Like the drafted forty four guys, they're older. Yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guys are obviously senior seniors. Yeah. Um, so
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I don't. I I think most importantly for Belichick is
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: he's looking for specific kinds of players. And I think,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I think it's really um it served him
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: well for the most part over you know, twenty plus years,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and I think lately it's been a little bit of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a more of a struggle. Now this past draft, this
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: last year, it looks like they have a really good
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: draft with three guys that you know, made made an impact.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: To me, it's more it's more about opportunity give guys.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: You know, you drafted a running back and a quarterback
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: who got got to play right away, and you got
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to see a lot like I love Barmore as you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I've been gushing about them all year. If Barnmoller was
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the only guy who played in last year's draft, right,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: how would you think of it? In terms of the player,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: not the draft. If Barmore is the only player to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: play last year, Steven Right, you'd be like, he'd be like, oh, well,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: they have one guy who plays part time on the
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: defensive line, and you know, it looks like he can play.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: That's the way you looked at it. But when you
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: have a quarterback that you drafted and he's your starter
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: from day one, and you have a running back who
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I think is every bit as good as Damien Harris
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: also contributing greatly to the offense, plus a defensive tackle
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: who has played really well, now you look at Barmore higher,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you look at the draft higher, and you sort of wonder, Okay,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: is this a trend? Is where we're going? Now? Yeah?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I think there's another part of that too, PAULI, which
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: is you get guys to play, You get to know
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: if they can play. Like what Devin Asias. You could
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: tell me right now, Ronnie Perkins next year is going
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to be a starter and play like eighty percent of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the snaps, and I wouldn't argue with you one bit.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: You could also tell me that he will not play
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: another snap for the Patriots, right and I wouldn't argue
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: one bit I have absolutely no idea, Right, there's an
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: advantage to finding out and not waiting two years to
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: give him a chance. And then you find out and
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: then you realize, now we really need to replace you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: this player. And I mean I brought up ASSISI is
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: just an example of a guy who's a really good one.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Well what could we don't know really anything about him,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and you know, cut to two years ago after they
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: drafted him, and you know, I mean I particularly wasn't
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: super high on him, and I mean he was fine.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Thought he that was a kind of a weak draft
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: class anyway for tight end. But you know, it's just
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: some of these guys and we took two right dol
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Keene as well, same boat, same boat, you know. So
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: but that's what we talk about. Are they gonna have
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: to turn it over this year and kind of bite
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the bullet on some of these guys, Like if high
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Tower doesn't come back, if mccordy doesn't come back, do
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you have to bite the bullet on guys like Anthony
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Jennings and Ucha and Winovich and you just gotta let
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: him play And if they can't do it, then you
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: get rid of him and you replace him other than
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: letting them just take up a roster spot as a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: part time third down player and occasional special teams guy.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: You know, and you never have any idea if this
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: guy's going to be able to contry. And that's why
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I you know, that's the genesis of my discussion with Fred,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you know, during the course of the season, Like because
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Bill doesn't play him doesn't mean that that's right. And
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that Ronnie Perkins is great. He's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: this untapped start that we don't know. I'm saying, let's
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: find out so we don't go into seasons. You know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: in Ucha's case year right, like what what not? Not
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: really knowing what is going to be telling us next
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: summer about what josh Ucha is doing it. I think
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: is a guy that if you are excited about Cameron mcgron,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: at least he had a reason for not playing. He
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: tore his acl. Bill told you on Draft night he's
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: not going to be a part of the equation in
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So if you have some faith that
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Cameron mcgron could be something, you're not wrong. We knew
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: what was going to happen with him. Ronnie Perkins. If
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: you had some faith in him. It has to at
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: least be a little bit shaken, yeah, because he didn't
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: play right, and he wasn't playing in training camp, he
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting reps. He didn't look like he was part
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: of the equation from day one when we went out
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: there and watched, whereas there were plenty of other guys,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you know, younger guys that were Barmore for one, you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: was kind of involved right from the start. So it's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it's tough. I wish that we got a chance to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: see more of the young guys. Yeah, me too, you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: so we wouldn't have what what Mike just said about
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: j Whovich Perkins. You know, where do these guys all
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: fit in? And for as little you know, as like
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Winovich did this year, like Ronnie Perkins couldn't have done that,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Like, and it's just
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: kind of a continuing point. What Jon Oh Smith did?
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Ye could have done that right, right? You know, I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe he couldn't. Maybe he's not a blocker either,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: or maybe they just like Jon wh Smith as a
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: blocker that's why he played fifty percent of the place,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: or maybe they figured like we paid Jonna Smith fifty
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: million bucks. We got a plan to me that explains
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the thought process heading into the season when you get
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: about halfway in and you realize I ain't getting it.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: You know, Josh all but said it at one point
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: like late October. You know, you know maybe next year
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: in the system, you know, blah blah blahy. At some
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: point do you look at it and say, Okay, we're
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: not gonna bench John Oh Smith. We still like him
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: as a blocker, but let's see if we can get
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: as involved a lot, because now you have another guy
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: you need. You have another guy who's going to have
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: a rookie year in year three, right right? And as us, yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a quick email or two before we go back to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the phone. Sullman in the Bay Area. Hey, crew, kudos
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to Brian Flores for risking his NFL career to bring
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: this to the forefront. The Rooney rule is disingenuous as
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: far as losing games on purpose. Hasn't this already happened
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: recently in the NFL. The twenty eleven Colts basically barely
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: tried to win games to get the first pick to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: select Luck. I know there's no smoking gun from someone
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: who was internal, But wasn't that obvious tanking? And I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: think tanking is fine. Throw losing games on purpose is not. Yeah,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you made that distinction before, but that might have been
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: his email. Might might I think that. I think that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: what the Dolphins are being accused of right now is
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: throwing games. And I think that's different than tanking a season. Now.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's one and the same. I
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: don't think. And I also think the Colts are a
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: different situation. I don't think the Colts went into the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven season saying we got to do whatever we
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: can to get Andrew Luck. I think Peyton Manning's status
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: was up in the air throughout the off season and
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: right into the summer. And then what did they do?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: What did Pollyan do? What I think was foolish by
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the way. He didn't just go and roll roll the
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: dice and go into it. He went and signed Kerry Collins.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: That's the quarterback he went with to start the season.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Forgot about him that they went out and got the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: best available NFL quarterback and they tried to win and
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: he was a disaster, Which big surprise. You signed a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: guy on the eve of the season and you throw him,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: throw him in there. You know. Now once the season starts, yeah,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you know, once you're owing five or whatever whatever it is,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: we don't want to win. Let's we got Andrew Luck waiting.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Let's just ride this out. But to me, that's different
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: than openly going into the game telling your head coach,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: we want to lose today, do whatever you can to lose. Yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: And that's why I was interested in it because I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: think the methodology for tanking is is pretty clear to me.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And that's you know, unloading guys that are expensive, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole playbook for it, but the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: playbook for trying to throw a game as a head
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: coach that just don't know, it's very what do you do?
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Very complicated? How you would how you would engineer that?
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, and that's why I said, like, I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: think you could easily say no problem and then not
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: where do you draw the line? And I'm not trying
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: to be like a smartass about this, but where do
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you draw the line? Like when Bill Belichick, for all
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: intents and purposes, told Matt Castle to overthrow a two
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: point conversion that would have tied a game that they
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to lose for seating purposes, does that count? Like,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: where do you draw the line on that stuff? Yeah? Yeah,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And there's been countless examples of teams that sort of
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: had their draft suation or their playoff seating sealed and
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: didn't play you know, X amount of personnel. They clearly
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: lost that game on purpose. This is why I say
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: it's tanking, not I'm throwing the game, right. Yeah, I
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: think I think there's a difference. You know, maybe I'm
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the only one that thinks that that's two different things.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And that's fine. My way doesn't have to be the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: right way. Again, we're not. Yeah, that way doesn't have
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: to be the right way. Go back to the phones,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: our old buddy Chris with a T I A N
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: is on. What's up Christian? Hey guys, nothing much? Um man?
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: What a week? Yeah, never a dull moment, Never a
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: dulb moment in this league. And this, uh, this stadium
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: sure isn't. Um you know it's I The thing about
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: floor is just terrible if that's true. Um, I mean
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: talk about and attacking like a man's integrity, uh, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: in in his profession to try to do that, it
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: is just awful to get him to throw games. If
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: it's true, of course, I mean, you know, but in it,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: in it, I think this is the one sort of
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: big thing that the NFL is sort of always worried
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: about and regards to gambling and stuff, you know, this
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: type of stuff. Um. So I just that see how
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: it all plays out. But it's really it's really really
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: really unfortunate. And and like Paul said, this is you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: if this is true, like he's got to go m
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Ross owner. Yeah. Um. And I just yesterday you guys
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: were talking about Tuesday, you guys were talking about the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you know, the great Brady Please and uh, you know,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: for me to really stand out, the two thousand and
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: four AFC Championship game in Pittsburgh when he had the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: play action a branch Yes that's sixty bomb, Yeah I remember,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: and then he taunted the Steelers with my dad very
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: very branch wave goodbye to the Steelers taunting. No touchdown,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: but it was great. Um. And and you know the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: record breaking a Moss against the Giants and Week sixteen. Yeah,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: yeah that even though that season obviously it didn't then
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the way we all wanted it too. There were just
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: so many memorable ballment, so particularly the play before while
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Boss dropped it or Brady I think under threw him
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and they just came back and ran the same play.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I forgot about that, Christian, that's a
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: good call it again, Yeah, but do it again. The
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: players at the top of the game, you know. Yeah,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: and even if even with Branch like an old four
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: like you know, those two guys that the Gail that
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: they had together and just at the top of their game.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Those are the things I'll remember. Um, he didn't include
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the past obviously in his in his h you know
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a statement. Well he did recently, just put out a
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: video about an hour ago. Did you guys see this?
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I did, and I think he did that because of
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the anniversary of the But there were more Bucks clips
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: than Patriot clips. I was very upset about it. So
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: you can't manufacture the Hey can't done. You can't do it.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Somebody will though. You know, I'll remember those plays when
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: he's in that he can't in five years and not
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: what he put on his Instagram. So that's how I
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: love you all. Thank you all all all caps for
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: making this incredible jobs. Yeah, let's see what he did there. Yeah,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: everybody there you go. He made up things. So Christian,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: big question for you, who are you rooting for in
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl this week? A r NFC got what
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: do you got? Who's your pick? Got a hurry pick?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I'm tom totally kidding. Are you even gonna be watching?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Are they wearing pads? In a serious question? Are you
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: gonna watch Mac Jones? I'll watch Mac, but I haven't
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: watched the Pro Bowl in like ten years. Yeah, me
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: neither ever since they left Hawaii. There's no I want
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: to get the view. I want to get the New
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: England viewing numbers of the Pro Bowl what they've been
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: in the last ten years, and the spike with Mac
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Jones going in the good Christian goods for you, paul
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I wasn't pay he wasn't paying attention. That rats some
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: of us doing textings, all right, see you later. What
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: did I miss? He was saying that we were talking
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: about the Pro Bowl and if the numbers are gonna
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: spike in New England because Mac is playing, and Christians said,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: even if they're not, the NFL will put out a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: statement saying that they are. Said that was for you, Paulie.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Oh question. Jeffrom Pennsylvania writes in Hey guys, great job
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: is always with the show. I'm sure there are others, However,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to point out you guys were the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: first media personnel I heard who shared my thoughts on
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the Rooney Rule. I completely agree with the fact that
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: more minority representation is needed in all sports, but especially
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Across the board. However, I believe the Rooney Rule,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: while it looks good on paper, is just a rubber
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: stamp or checkbox in the application process for owners or management,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: potentially to humor in quotes minor applicants for sake, for
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: the sake of the rule, I think this is a
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: problem that absolutely needs to be addressed, but the Rooney
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Rule does more harm than good, especially when it rarely
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: leads to actual results. Just wanted to say thanks for
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: making great points on the topic and keep up the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: tremendous work. Thank you, Jeff, Thank you Jeff. Yeah, it's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a it's a it's a tough issue. I mean, it's
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores. He's going to have his hands full, and
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows that when he did it. But
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of respect for him and what
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: he did, and I just I wonder. I mean, I
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: wonder what the what the mood was mood here with
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that when they found that out. And I know that
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I know Brian Flores said he didn't let Bill know
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: that he was going to use this text message. Yeah,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: so that I think on CNN and I and IM
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: sure it's a fair opinion that that people might think
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: that that might have burned a bridge here, But I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't quite there yet. I mean, I don't, I don't know.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would you know, I think in a
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: perfect world, you would have liked Flores to give him
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the heads up of you know, coach, you're not named
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: in lawsuit, but you know, this mistake I think was
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: a prime example that you know, really set me off.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, I just want you to know that
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: it's going to happen. I think I would hope that,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you know, Belichick would at least understand that. But I don't.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not holding out hope that he's going
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: to come back here. I just I hope, I hope
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: he still is able to get a good coaching. I
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: think it deserves it. I am too, and and I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: you know, we entered this offseason with I think nine
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: head coaching openings when you counted the Saints after after
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: after Peyton stepped down. Yes, thank you for correcting yourself,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Matt morrel Um. And he filed the suit while there
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: were still opening like teams hadn't high I don't know
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: if that's because they were waiting for candidates who were
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: still involved in the playoffs on either the Bengals, the
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: or the Rams. We mentioned Kevin O'Connell the RAMSOC who's
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: probably gonna get the Vikings job. But this is a
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: question that I don't think I've seen either addressed or
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: answered anywhere else in the media over the last couple
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: of days. And maybe you guys have is Brian Flores
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: still while he's suing the league? Is he eligible to
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: be hired by any of these teams that have openings. Yeah,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: there's nothing that says he can't get a job while
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: he's still saying the league, right, And evidently he informed
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: both Houston and New Orleans of his lawsuit and they
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: still wanted to interview him. Good, So there's that, right.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: So all these people saying, you know, you know, speculating
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: that he's burnt a bridge, I mean, teams might still
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: want to hire him right in theory or I think so,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I mean the reality deal with I mean, you know,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: it's just we don't know all the details, but I
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: mean he was still able to I mean we saw
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: it firsthand. A competitive football team that played hard for him. Um,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you know, certainly gave the Patriots plenty of problems. I
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean as just speaking strictly as somebody
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: who's seen his team all to Patriots a few times
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: or not. I mean, they're demolished, but at least get
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: them when when maybe they weren't quite as talented, or
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: maybe when they didn't quite have much as to play for. Um.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I think that in and of itself is Hey, if
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: he gets into a good situation where the owner isn't
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: asking him to throw games, like you know what, what
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: couldn't he do? And I mean I think that's uh,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's representative that last game of twenty nineteen.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: You talk about all this stuff that he went through,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and the coach was asking him to fight. You know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: he got those guys to play hard, so they were
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: still playing for him, you know, And I think that
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: would have been the bigger problem if he had lost
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the team, and you know what's going with the owner.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it clearly seems like he kept that at
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that to me is the worry with him. It is
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: not necessarily that, but like, why was he going through
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinators like he was changing songs? Why would you
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: know some of the guys they brought in immediately, you know,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: let go you know what? What was some of the
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: problems behind the scenes. Now I don't know. Maybe this
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: was the genesis of the problems behind the scenes, right,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: was there was that there was a disconnect between maybe
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Greer ye and uh Stephen Ross. How does career fit
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: into this too? Career by the way, a minority, which
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I think normally I would think is completely and totally irrelevant.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: But in this case, if you're putting it together a
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: lawsuit about it, yeah, I don't think it is. Um
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: So you have this potential disconnect between the two. Who
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: knows and he is related to the former Patriots coach
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: and personnel guy Bobby Greer, and he's kind of stuck
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: in the middle. Good friends with Mike, his younger brother
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: set up my first goal and I played Mike hockey
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: with Yeah, my first goal, mighty. He was awesome. My
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: career was the greatest I mean youth hockey player ever
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: saw in my life. My dad was the coach and
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: we got him in Sports Illustrated Faces in the Crowd
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: the year that that that he just was unstoppable. Um.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: But you know, I got called up and my first
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: goal was like there with Mikey, just stand in front
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: of the net and micros, you know, skating through everybody
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: in there pretty much. But um, but you know, this
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: is probably probably probably a good time to maybe share
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: this story. Was my first experience with racism and my
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: career knocked the crap out of bill Rica in a
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: youth hockey tournament and as we were getting our awards,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: there were some parents that were yelling in the stands.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Parents things, parents, racist things. And I must be really
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: really lucky seven years old. It was it was the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: first time that you know, it even you know, I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: had any idea. I mean, granted, you know, I grew
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: up in a very sheltered suburban life. Um, but you know,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: that was the first time for me. And you know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I remember that the town was banned from the tournament.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: There was all kinds of fallout. Um. But you know,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: just kind of weird how that it kind of all
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: intersects around that. Yeah, yeah, that's that's awful. I mean,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say that there were
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: some of the players like in the like in the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: in the handshake line, I like saying stuff, I don't
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: want anything against bill Rica, but like like when you're
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: that you've never heard of the town, you go there,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you play, and that that was just always what I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: think of when I think of bill Ricka. What was
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: that experience at the end of the game when they
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: were handing out the trophy and the parents were very
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: upset because my career had just undressed their whole team.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Like multiple times we had. We had an incident, Paul.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: You remember when we were down at the Super Bowl
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I do. We met up for lunch with
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: with a fan of the show who's a really great guy.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: He's he's contributed emails and calls over the years, and
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: he showed up where we were taping our our TV
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: segment that day and he's like, I want to take
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: you guys out to lunch. So we went out to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: lunch and we went to this little place right around
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the corner, and apparently the owner of the establishment was
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: like coming around to people's tables and glad handing and whatnot,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: and he came over. I don't remember exactly what he said,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't either. It was there he said something
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: to our friend that was clearly uh, I mean, it
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: was overtly racist. And he said it and kind of
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: laughed and like was like as if he had known
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the guy forever and was like, hey, I went, you know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: buddy whatever, like making this joke, like how do you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: know that? And like Paul and I, Paul and I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: were like ready to like jump over the table and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: strangle this guy, right, but like guy taking me out
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: to lunch, You you're putting my lunch in jeopardy with
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: your nonsense, you know, I was. I was angry. Yeah, no,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I remember what Eric was talking about. It was now.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I don't really think it was malicious, but it was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: just in such poor taste and so lame like tone.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that someone would would do something like
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: like if you like, I'm sure like you have friends
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I have friends that like we joke about each other. Friend, No,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have friends like you joke about like
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: their their ethnicity or you know the fact that you're Italian.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: They they make fun of me for being Italian. You know,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you you can do that with people that you are
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: very friendly with, who you've known forever. And this guy
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: who owned the restaurant came over and said this thing
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: to our buddy as if he had known him, like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: as if they were friends for a long time and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: knew he could get away with it. Was you, what
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: was your friend's reaction to it? He played it as
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: cool as you could imagine, because but probably happens. My
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: guess is that, Yeah, my guess is that's his life,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and and it it just infuriated me. I wanted. I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: wanted to get up and walk out of the restaurant
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: and like flip the table over on the guy and say,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not even paying for your stupid lunch. Yeah, and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: we're getting the hell out of here. But I wasn't
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: paying for the lunch anyways. No, but I mean our
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: friend to his credit, to his credit, he handled it
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: as well as anybody could have expected. Um, but that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: was one of the well, certainly the most recent time
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I've come across something that overt And again to post point,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: the guy who said it probably wasn't thinking he wasn't
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: doing it to be mean about it. He just thought
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: he was trying to make a joke. It was trying
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: to be funny. It just wasn't. It just felt so
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: flat that I don't know, I just I and I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: could just imagine that he does this anytime somebody comes
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: into the restaurant, and I'm thinking, yeah, boy, I've gotten
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: that before. Don't you don't you don't you forget about that?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's go back to the ACE ticket hot
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: line where Parker is in New York. What's up Parker? Hey, guys,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I wanted me a comment about the Rooney rule, but
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, you know, I think with
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: like when I first read online that like Patriots fans
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: were upset about people about Tom not banking the Patriots
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: fan base, I thought like, oh, like what a bunch
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: of like winey babies, Like who cares? And then I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: read what he wrote and then I was like, wait
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: a second. He was like pouring out his heart and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: he didn't mention us at all, And all I could
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: think was, I'm a thirty one year old man. Ever
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: since I was eleven years old, I've been down on
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: my knees praying, like for this man, to like win
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: football games, like calling in favors from God, which is
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: like a personal relationship. And I was like, what are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: these Bucks fans done for this guy? Like I canceled
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: plans to root him on. You know, I've done all.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I like every bar I walked into that's not in
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: like Massachusetts. I feel like put my nuts on the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: table and be like Tom Brady didn't cheat, the Belichick
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: didn't cheat and all this stuff, and it's like I've
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: gone through so much with Tom Brady for the last
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: twenty years, and I was just like, wow, like not
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: gonna say anything. I don't know. For me, I was
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: just like, that hard for you? He was saying, was
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: that hard for you to to to go through all
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: that and win six titles? That that really that was hard? Huh?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: It balanced it out. It balanced it out. But what
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I what I wanted to call about was it was
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: about the rooting rule and something that I think, like
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard many people talk about, which is like
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: every company in the United States has to follow the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: same sort of labor laws and the labor rules, and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the NFL has like found some loophole
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: where they don't have to follow the same rules, and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: the one I'm talking about is sort of like the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: five four fifth rule or the adverse impact. And I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: won't get into like the nitty GRITTYAVI because it's a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: little wonky, But basically, every single company when they're hiring anybody,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: at every single stage of the interview process. So if
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: you think about hiring, you have like that interview one,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: interview two, maybe do you give the offer every single stage,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: there's a mathematical formula that can be made um to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: determine if there was some sort of discrimination against any
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: protective class, so gender, race, religion, and okay, well I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: didn't even get to the map. I didn't want to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: get to wanting basically the selection rate, not the interview rate.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: The selection rate of all qualified candidates for the biggest
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: group can't like the smaller groups, can't be any less
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: than eighty percent than the largest group that makes it
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: through the process. And it's all about transparency, So they
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: basically have to show that of all the only of
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the qualified candidates, all of those candidates, you can't be
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: selecting a ton more of one group than the other groups.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Only qualified candidates. And so when it comes to the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: NFL what they should be doing is being way more transparent.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: They need to be showing exactly what qualifications it takes
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: to be a head coach and all the other coaches,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and then if you qualify, if you're if you meet
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: those qualifications, maybe you've coached for ten years in the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: league you've done, maybe you've been a coordinator for at
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: least three years, whatever those qualifications are, if you meet
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: those qualifications, you should be able to apply for the job.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And then the NFL or each team has to do
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: what every other company does, which is show that all
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: the qualified candidates. There isn't sort of this outside like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: there isn't a lot of one group that seems to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: be getting selected for each round or getting the job offer.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: It seems like, though I'm sorry to interrupt you, just
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: thinking as you say that, that picking a coach seems
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: to be one of the most subjective things you could
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: try to do for hiring. Like my idea of what
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: a good head coaches might be completely different than what
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Deuces is and entirely different than what Pauls is. So
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: how do you quantify how do you quantify what determines
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: the qualifications for applying for a head coach perfect. Don't
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: you think that every company thinks they're CEO should be specific,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: or their CFO or their directors. Everyone has a different
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: view on what makes a good a person a good
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: candidate for a position. So don't make it league wide.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Make every team have to publish what they're looking for
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: in a candidate, because what we've got now is a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: system where oh you know what, when you see it,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: it allows them to hire a thirty year old guy.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: So there's only one thing. So like if Robert Kraft
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: says I'm looking for X, Y and Z, he can
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: never hire anything but X, Y and Z. Well, okay,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: so I just stop. This is dumb. I the guy's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: had five minutes. That's dumb. This is this is This
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: is why every company is very specific in the job
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: requirements that they put out. So Bobcraft doesn't have to
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: say he asked. He could. He could put sort of
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: like maybe lower standards, but there should be some standard
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: for a head coach for training because that's the only
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: way that we can tell if there's some sort of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: um disparity. And it may sound like it shouldn't happen,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: but that's what every single employer does in the US,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: they say, this is what we're looking for. If you
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: have a college degree, if you have five years of
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: coding experience, if you have this or that, you are
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: elible for this job. So they can determine if people
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: apply who are not qualified for the job. It doesn't
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: matter who. It doesn't matter. They're not a part of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: sort of the discrimination aspect of it, because it doesn't matter.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: You never have to hire someone that's not qualified what
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: the NFL wants to Sometimes you do specific people. Yeah,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: well I see your point. Thanks for the call, Parker.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: It just first of all, but I'm just gonna say
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: one sentence and then you guys can talk about whatever
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: on that call. Please, can we just stop confusing real
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: life with sports. It's not the same. The CEO of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: a company is not the same as a head coach.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I know, the head coach is the CEO of the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: football team. He doesn't do what a CEO of a
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: fortune five hundred company does. It's not the same. Like
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: does whole make it all public? It's silly. Yeah. When
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: he was saying that, the I was thinking about Mayo,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and especially how the Patriots do things here
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: where you know, he doesn't He's not going to check
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: any of those of those experienced boxes that NFL teams
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: have because technically he's an inside linebackers coach who's been
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: coaching for three years. So I mean, so should he
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: not be allowed a right? That's the point. I mean, like,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's you want to see
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: him get the opportunity, but you don't want to see
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: it to just to check a box on the Rooney rule. Um.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: But I mean I do think that at the core
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: of it, though, is is transparency. I don't know if
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: laid out with all the hr you know, dynamics that
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: that go on in corporate America, but um, I think
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: there does need to be, you know, some degree at
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: transparency with the NFL. I mean I think they do
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: what they want. They transparency. Like when I, you know,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: went for a job, you know, at the Boston Herald
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and I didn't get it. Was there transparency in that?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Did everybody get to see it? No? Did I did?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I know? Did I get to see it? No? Like
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I was told you got the job or no, you
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: didn't get the job. Like, yeah, It's it's not like,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know everybody wants everything to be perfect.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: It's not general law, it's life is hard. Like a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: lot of us have had to make different choices and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: do without different things. Like you're not owed anything. That's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: the problem is everybody just wants it, like because because
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: I deserve it. Like there's a lot of guys that
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: deserve it. A lot of people and a lot of
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: different walks of life deserve more than they get. Um,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll use teachers as a as a great example,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Like is there a more noble profession than teachers? You
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: don't think they deserve more than they get. Of course
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: they do. It's not the way it works. I mean,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I mean it's unfortunate. But I mean there's a lot
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: of inequities in life, and they're not all just about race.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of inequity race, no doubt, gender, gender,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a lot. You know, you don't
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: think there's tons of examples of kids that don't have
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Harvard educations that are far more brilliant than the guy
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: from Harvard who gets the job. This I mean, white guy,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: white guy. This guy went to Harvard, this guy went
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: to Bridgewater State who's getting the job. Doesn't mean he's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: more qualified. I mean, it's life. It happens. It happens,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: it's it doesn't make it right. But I mean, you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: can't just fix it by saying, oh, we're gonna go transparency,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: like everybody's gonna know, Like, that's not gonna that's not
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: gonna fix it. Like legislating morality, it's it's almost impossible
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: to do exactly. That's a great, great phrase, legislating morality. Yeah. Uh.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: One other news item that I forgot to bring up
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: at the top of the show, which was something League
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Newsworthy that came across since our last show. The Washington
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: football team is no longer the football team. Man, what
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: do we think of the Commanders? I don't hate it.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know well, and and that's how
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I feel. And I think that's not a good sign.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they just picked the milk toast. Like,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: no one is gonna get bothered, no one's gonna get excited.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: It's just the what do they command I don't know. Well,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I the name I had in
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: my head from the beginning was the Washington Presidents and
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: the Commanders is kind of a short form of that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: commander in chief kind of thing, you know. I'm sure
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: that's what the thought was. Um, And I kind of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: like they have a logo that's on the one of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: the jerseys, which is like two stripes underneath like a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: row of three stars, and I was like, oh, that
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: would have been good on the helmet, Like the helmet
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: is basically just a W like last year, the last
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: couple of years they just had like the numbers. Yeah right, um,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: and they would have the number on the helmet. I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: think they're taking away the number, or at least one
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: of the versions they I think they have two different
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: helmets from pictures that the black alternate, right, kind of
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: like a self Navy seal, Um, like yeah, special ops
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: kind of looking thing, which is it's it's actually kind
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: of cool. It's grown on me. My original thought was
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: black has nothing to do with their color scheme, uh
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: in the history of But I hate when teams do that.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: When they tried to, like the like the forty nine
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: ers tried to have black uniforms for a while. It
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't work, um, especially when when when the Raiders were
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: up in that area, it's like, oh, you're trying to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: compete with the Raiders now like knock it off. Um.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: But the but the more I saw the pictures, the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: more like that. And it was monochrome. It was like
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: black shirrup, black pants, black socks, like the whole thing. Um,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: but it's started thinking, oh, it's more militaristic like special
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: ops kind of like I get it. I can kind
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: of see that. Yeah. Um. And and the name. I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: don't mind the name at all. We we actually are.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Our guy Matisse, who's one of our our helping hands
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: with the web was looking up us fans submitted logos
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: and names that that the The Washington was considering, and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: one of them was the Owls. Did you see that logo? Fantastic?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Like that would have been a great a great logo,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: great name. It would have worked fine. But I'm okay
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: with the commanders. I'm okay with it, like it don't
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: love it. I know that's fine. It's fine at least
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: like the Owls. You've got people that that's terrible, and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: then you have people like it's pretty cool. Right. I
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: don't know, it just it seems like this is kind
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: of what I thought they were going to go with,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: like an animal mascot, because I was thinking, like, what
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: could they possibly find offensive about an animal? About an animal?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: They could find something the Lions, Tigers, they're too big.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Uh Well, I mean, I don't know, but I think
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Commanders does a good job of sort of incorporating the area,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the teams they represent, you know, yeah, kind
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: of like the Utah Jazz, La Lakers, Memphis Grizzlies, a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: lot of Grizzly Bears walking around Memphis, Lanka very much.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even say about giggling, but I liked it.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: We kind of came down on the side of it
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: felt like a team that should be playing Gotham. It's
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: the generic Batman's team in a movie. I don't want
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: any given Sunday the Sharks and why was why was
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: LT's name Shark in that too? That always threw me
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: that they called him shark, but they were on the
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Sharks that ever bother you. That's that's a story for
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: another time. I'm just glad I saw the movie. I'm
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: just glad they didn't have something singular they have like
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: a plural. It's not like, man, it's not the red Ye.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was like rattling off all the reasons he
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: liked it. That was one of those he said plural, Yeah,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: it was plurals at the end, right, like the Washington
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: gridlock just had like a highways touchdown as a gridlock glocker.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Does that mean what? Huh? He's in gridlock? Patton, South
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Carolina is a first time emailer. Should we be concerned
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: about all the jaw about Josh leaving and the timing
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: of it is it's some sort of a referendum on
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: how he feels about mac Jones's future. I get it's
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: an ideal situation for him. Was Ziegler going with him,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: but the Raiders just seemed like a weird place for
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: him to land. Thanks guys. Um. I mean, I'm sure
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: if you want to read it into that he hated
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: to mac Jones that couldn't get away fast enough. Sure,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: but I mean, I think this was an opportunity to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: work with a veteran quarterback who had been established a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, so it's in place he's not
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: gonna have to do the same heavy lift that he
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: did this year, probably where he was, you know, doing
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of hand holding walking him through just the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: process of being an NFL quarterback. M But I think
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of different factors that made this appealing.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I see, like I said on Tuesday show, I can
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: see why he went there and what was appealing to
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: him about there, And I didn't I didn't see it
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: as a referendum on Mac. But that said, I think
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: now that he's gone and bo Heart agree's gone, that
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: you know they're they're going to have to institute some
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: plans on both sides of the ball to keep the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: structure and you know allow I mean, I know Bill
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: likes having a small staff and he likes being able to,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: you know, have his message not get lost in the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: telephone game. Um, but it seems like that that kind
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: of was happening a little bit maybe with especially on
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: the defensive ironic, given the events of the weekend. Right,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: So you know, I think that that that's than really is.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: As as mentioned a couple times on this show as
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: well already, just how do you how do you reconstitute
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff and make sure that that there's one
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: voice at the top and he's able to not get
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed trying to do too much? Does he? It's interesting. Yeah,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I'm with Mike. I think you could definitely make an
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: argument that, well, Josh doesn't think a whole lot of
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: mac Jones. You could, you could make an argument for that.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you you're wrong. I don't look at
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: it that way at all. Really, I think he just
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: looked at it as this. In my opinion, I said
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: this on Tuesday. This is the first chance he had
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: to get a job since the Colts. Yeah, and I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: think he got this chance because of Dave Ziegler, a
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: guy that he has a good relationship with. You know, uh,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: they've been together for a while. So you think that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's why he took it. Well, do you
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: think it's more a reflection on how the Raiders felt
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: about Ziggler, That they were like that first, right, and
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: that Ziegler was like, if you've got to hire me,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: I got to pick my guy, ye, And they were like, okay,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: we like you that much, we'll do it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that they don't like Josh. But
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that Josh was with the number
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: one target on their radar. I think Ziegler was. And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: then they were like, Ziegler was like, yeah, I mean
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I think Josh would be a perfect fit for what
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I want to do, and they were like, okay, yeah,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: let's do it. Like not that they didn't want to
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: have Josh, but I think that the attraction was Ziegler. First,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: you were to lunch, didn't you, Paul? I didna dear word,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: what's up with that? I saw the look on Matt's face.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I knew that was did you give him one of these?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: He was right a little bit. What happened? I mean,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: they literally too number two in the second race. Even
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: you's gonna understand that it happens every day. They should
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: have a driver room standby ready for the PU delivery
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: going to Jilts Stadium. Uh. Well, while we continue to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: wait for Paul's lunch, Todd is in New York, holding
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: patiently on the ticket hot line. Hello Toddy, I'm actually
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I'm actually down here in Greenville. But oh anyway, good job,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Wow new York North he's Todd in North Carolina. You
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: had him in New York. You get it. It's American.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: It's all the same to us. Canadians. Don't worry about it.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Who not where? I say, we don't know any Todds
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: from New York. Who is this? It's Eric Anyway. I
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: really liked your discussion about they're having to be somebody
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: nominated as the you know, the the offensive coordinator and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. When you guys took the discussion when I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: brought it up, it was really I think there might
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: have been a lack last year of that direction of
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: having that. There might have been too many messages and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: you know, my friends on the REV say there's too
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: many Chiefs and not enough Indians, right, and you know,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: if that keeps going, that could be a problem for
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the development of Max. So I got a question for
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: each of you, who would you want to put in
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: of all the people available internally externally as the OC
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: and the DC. And that's thanks guys, all right, thanks
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: to I Just I'll go simple, Bill O'Brien, j Rob
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Mayo like that, you know, promote your Rob Mayou to
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. And I don't think they're going to go
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: out and bring somebody in, but I like that. I
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: would say Bill O'Brien for sure for offensive coordinator. If
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: would just anybody Brian Flores, I'll take him back a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: defensive yeah, to take him for sure offensively. I mean,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know what any of these younger guys like
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: that whose names have come up, like Nick Kaylee or
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Nick Lombardi or like, I really don't know how good
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: a coordinator they'd be, And obviously you don't know that
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: until the guy gets in the job and has the experience.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: We didn't know how good a coordinator Josh was going
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: to be when he first took over back in what
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: when was that, like oh four or five five, right
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: until the guy actually does it, you know. But so
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: it'd be hard to for me to like root for
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: an internal candidate who I don't know has that Like
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: at least in Mayo's case, I knew him as a player.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: We kind of know like what his thinking is, uh
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Flores when he had the job here before it had
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: that famous springtime press availability where he said he wanted
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: to be more aggressive and they ended up being more
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: aggressive on the field, and so we kind of knew
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: like that was his imprint on this. Like I don't
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: know what anybody else said, you know, would want to do.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I just I guess I would lean towards the side.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be more probable that somebody like Mick
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Lombardi would be would get the Josh promotion without the title.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Then it would be I don't know the forty nine
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: ers offense, you know, random dude. The only way some
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: random dude from another team comes in is if the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: said random dude has a connection to Belichick, like Adam Gates. Yeah, like,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: and we talked about that, you know, had some some
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: crossover with He was on Josh's staff in Denver. He
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: did spend time with Nick Saban both at Michigan State
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: and LSU. He was with Dabelenn McDaniels at Michigan State
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: as yeah, as a young coaching assistant UM, and then
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: he went with Saban to LSU, and then he eventually
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: went to the NFL. He was on Josh's staff. So
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: that's the only way I can see an outside guy
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: someone with a specific that's probably connection small list, but
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately you don't really know what that is,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: right right. That's why I said, I'm like, it's probably
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: the guys from the outside or guys that are either
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: young like Bowhart degree this year, you know, or if
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: they're a little bit older, like Bill O'Brien was a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: little bit older. He was sort of brought in to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: sort of learn the offense for a year or two
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: with the idea that hey, Josh is probably going at
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: kind of Dean Peace did that too a little bit,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: and he had correct me. Hadn't he coordinated at the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: college level before he got Hilio? Yeah? But he actually
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: when he came on the staff, he was actually an
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: offensive assistant, right, But I mean he had a name, right,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: he was much higher than sure the traditional offensive but
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: he had at least had some experience in a coordinator's
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: title and running an offense. I think he was at
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. Yeah, and that that's how we got George
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: George go right by the way, another guy that you
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: know potentially you know, I mean what you who was
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: this or somewhere or something probably I don't know, somewhere
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: that was different Cleveland. But yes, God has been bouncing.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I would take Billy. I hope
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: it's not status quo on the defensive side of the ball.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: I just think that's a that's a bad Yeah, I agree,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: totally bad. Look going forward, how how things kind of ended.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I would rather it be Steve Belichick promoted to defense,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: somebodys y somebody take the title and take the responsibility.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I want to know who to blame yes, I don't
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: want to credit even and you know obviously I'm being
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: you know, funny. I don't want this. Bill took it
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: over when it went well. Yeah, and he gave up
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the responsibilities both before and after he had taken it
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: back over after the Indian Buffalo games. If you want
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: to tell me, he said, the rest of the year.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: You go right ahead, if you if you want to trumpet,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Bill's brilliant. He took it over after the Dallas game
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: and they took off. I can I can buy that,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: but you can't then wash your hands of it when
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: he gave it up. Yeah, he gave it up when
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: it went south, right, and he can't do it right now. Yeah,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fix it. I told you he was
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: up to you, guys. Good about this playoff game. I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: think you guys got that because you can make an
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: argument coming out of the bye week. Okay, this is
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: what we did the last seven weeks, guys, we got this. Now,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. Okay, all right, you
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: got it, you got it right, right, and then go
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: get an indie. Yeah, and he just says, let's try
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: it again next week. See what happens, right, back, run
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: it back at some point. At some point it Bill
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the way things were going. When he
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: quote unquote gave it back. He would have stepped in
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: before they went one, and after the Indiana game, after
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo game in Miami, he took it back and
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: then he thought he had a fix to gain right.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Good email from Phelippe in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Guys,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: does the departure of Josh change in any way the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: emphasis defensive or offensive on the talent acquisition, front draft
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: and free agency? Also, congrats to Giselle's husband for the
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: incredible career. Um, I don't think so. I don't think
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: it terms of positions. There might be individual players that
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Josh than somebody else would, but yeah, I don't. I
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: don't think it'll be a noticeable Yeah. I think if
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: they felt like wide receiver was a major need heading
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: into the draft, I don't think that's changed because Josh
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: has gone right and some new guy says no, no,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: no, no no, I got plenty here. Yeah. I would be
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: curious how much input the coaches have, you know, during
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: the staffing, during during the scouting process. You know, what
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: is that like? How much do they get to review
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff. So I'm watching a little the
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stuff going down. Um and of course as
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: soon as I say that, they went to a commercial
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: and NFL network, but they're in this indoor facility. It
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: was the South Alabama which looks you know, reasonably reasonably
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: nice South Alabama. Yeah, they got a full like indoor right.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Was that invested football is astounding? Was that where um speak,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Welcolm Butler played? No? Who went to I believe West
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Alabama or West Alabama wasn't played South Alabam. Wasn't there
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: a player that played at South Alabama. I'm getting the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: nod from from Teas and I don't know if you
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: nobody he's a budding draft guru. Nick isn't a draft
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Nick a draft Nick isn't what he called him. I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: called him a guru. Who was the South Alabama cornerback?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Somebody from South Albama. I think it was, uh, you
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: get it right in South Alabama? Forget one. No, No,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: don't know. Hey, hey, well you guys are looking out.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna use this opportunity to mention that where
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: we got some Patriots unfiltered sweatshirts in the works, so
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: perhaps for our potentially Yes, yes, West Alabama is where Butler,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: where Butler went? Okay, I thought there was. I thought
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: there was some other player that was South Alabama high
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: profile one too, cornerbacks, not high profile enough, I mean
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: draft draftwise, draftwise, I thought, I who would maybe started
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: at Florida and left and ended up there. Do you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: remember everything about this Yes? And I can't remember his name.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: I having troubled names. I couldn't remember Justin Herbert earlier. Today.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: I do know this name because he calls all the time,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: cousin Patty an Agawam, Hello Patty? What is a gentleman?
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Hello Patty? You tell us? Well? Um, I had a question,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: but before I get to the question, I didn't really
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: speak my piece on Tom Brady and I hope you
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: give me a little bit of a vine, but I'll
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: try and make it quick. Um. To me, he is
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: the quintessential, the best, the greatest, not just NFL player
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: that ever walked on earth, but me he's the greatest athlete,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: not in the athletic sense, but just just in the
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: fact that what he's what he did for this, for
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: this team, for this organization. Um, I'll give you, I'll
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: tell you a funny story. And I'm kind of like
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: aligned with Paul where I will a big Bloodstow guy.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: You know I got I got into I got into
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: this team in the nineteen nineties, their most the worst,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: most abysmal year. And I remember like back then, like
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: when they took Leedstow and they got Parsels in, there
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: was like there was hope, like the first time in
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: my Patriots fandom. And before that Super Bowl and Tuesday
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: before Super Bowl thirty six, I was actually pissed off
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: when they named Tom Brady the starter and I wasn't
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: really a believer in the guy until that final drive.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: And after that, I was like, well, crap, they can't
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I know they yes, Um, I know they just signed
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Drew to this big contract, but we can't give up
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: on this. We can't like get rid of the Super
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Bowl MBT. But I mean, it's just been a it
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: was a pleasure watching what the guy did, even in Tampa,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Like not that like I was rooting for him in Tampa,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: but just just to see him transform that team, to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: transform this team. Um, all the fun, all the memories,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: it was just great. Um. And that's all I got
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: to say about that. And my question is, I don't
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: know if you guys noticed, and I apologize if he
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: already brought this stuff, but losing Ziegler and McDaniels, do
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you know if we if we're going to get compensatory
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: picks for that or is that just strictly for players
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: not coaches? No, yeah, they have I mean in order
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: to be eligible for that, it has to be minority coaches, correct,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: unless a guy is like under contract and going to
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: the same job, so now you're trading him. Yeah. You know,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: like if if Belichick would decide, like I'm going to
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: go coach the Giants, like the Patriots would be doing
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: for the effort, right, So so I think the answer
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: is no, the Patriots won't be getting anything for Ziegler,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: not for Ziegler or McDonald and I don't think generally
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: they're getting any any compics, right did last year? Well
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: that's that's out right. Hasn't that already been determined what
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: teams are getting what? Or is that not? I think
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: that's been speculated. The league hasn't put anything definitive out Yeah,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: all right, Patty, all right, guys, thanks for the call.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Uh go back to back calls here, Melvin's in Tennessee.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: What's up, Y'all's going on? You? Baby? Hey? I get
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: um simple question. Who are the best three rd receiver
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: chords in the NFL? Do you think right now? You
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: got to Dallas? You got you know, I would certainly
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: put Cincinnati in that mix. I would put the Rams
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: in that mix. Ye, the Bills, the Bills in that mix. Uh,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: you're you're right about Dallas, Melvin. If Dallas, what about
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: books where when healthy? The Bucks would be in that mix? Yeah,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: m hm. My point of it was I thought that
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Dallas probably had the best to start the season. I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: feel like that's trending a little bit. Of course, the
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Rams look pretty good, but I don't know, it's hard
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: to tell because if if the Bengals do keep their
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: little guys, I get they got a one, two three
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: punch that can hurt you too, because like when I
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: was them playing a well bit, you know, you know,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: any one of them can get the ball, and anyone
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: any one of them could be kind of dangerous. So
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just an interesting thing to see
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: all those cores and how that transitioning and feels like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: all the teams that's left right now, and even the
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: last two years, I'll have pretty strong receivers cores. So
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: we're far from that. But whatever it is, what it is.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: So but it was just interesting to point out and
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: see what child about that the best three we were. Yeah,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think what stood out to me too
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: in this in this playoff is just that you need
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: two guys. Thanks, I need at least two guys. But
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: you need two guys. You need one dynamic receiver who
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: you know, is a problem that you can move around,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: and you need somebody who can kind of control the
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: middle of the field, whether it's a slot receiver, whether
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: it's a tight end. But I think you're you're kind
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: of dead in the water as an offense if you
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: don't have those two pieces. And I think that's why
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: at least two you talk about, you know what the
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Patriots need this year, and if you get that kind
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: of interior, your explosive guy, I think he makes everybody better.
• 1:33:03
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty unique. I doubt that there are that. I'm
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: gonna go on the limb say nobody sixty five plus
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: thousand people possibilities, right, I'm gonna say he's the only
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: one that was at the first and the first end
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: the last for Brady, I've got to be specific that
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: it's the Jets game now, right, Yeah, Like he did
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: get into a game, the Jets game, the Jets game.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: He's talking about the Jets game specifically, and that to
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: me is what separates it because I think there's a
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: there's a chance that you had a decent percentage of
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Patriots fans that were at the Bucks Rams game that
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: just either they're down in Florida Snowbirds. I know of
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: a couple of people who actually have have bought Buck
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: season tickets season tickets, Um, Jim Murray talks about his
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: buddy all the time who has Buck season tickets. I
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: think there's a there's there's a chance that you had
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: like even as many as like five hundred specific Patriot
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: fans that were there. This could be Brady's last game.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be there, but to have been there
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: for the for the first one of the first one,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: the mo Lewis game, right yeah, and he did, You're right, dude.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: His first snaps, I believe in the NFL were against
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in mop up duty. Um. But everybody really thinks
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: of his career. We got home from that trip and
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: we just to fly into Logan at the time, and
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: it was Thanksgiving obviously, so I won't you know, we
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: didn't do the overnight for the for the paper. You know,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: go home and if you can, you know, if you
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: have salvage a little of Thanksgiving. So it was still reasonable. Yeah,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: it was reasonably early. And I remember my dad came
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: and picked me up at Logan so I could get
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: home faster. I don't have to worry about going back
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: to Foxborough. Um. So he comes and picks me up
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: and Drew is out on a bench who looked like
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: he was waiting for a ride too. I don't think you.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: I opened the door to go see my well, you know,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: figure out where my father is, and he's talking to
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Drew seriously telling him. He's basically like I don't know
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: exactly what he was saying, but he's basically telling him
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: keep your head up, still, keep your head up. Oh man,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know your dad, but my dad talking to
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: Drew Biletto like that would be nightmare fuel because I
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: could only imagine the into conversations. But you know that
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: he was like, this is the last place in the world.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: I want to be right now talking to this day.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: And I remember, I remember I mentioned it to Drew
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: like the next week that was your dad, can you
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: can you do me a favorite? Can you thank him
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: for me? That was really nice. I was like, you
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to say stuff like that. I already told
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: him never to do that. I love you, Drew, mean it? Uh.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Cody in Indiana before we go back to the Ah
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: take a Hotline has an interesting email. He wrote in
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: earlier in the show, but replied to his own email because,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: as he put it, FYI I sent an email to
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: the web radio email address which I see under here
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: and got Fred's out of office email reply. Just FYI.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: No clue if everyone else who emailed got it, but
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: I figured I should make you guys aware of it. Lol.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: And yes it's right there. It's Fred's. It's just out
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: of curiosity to say he'll be back February eighth. February eighth, yeah,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: four or five. It's only next week Tuesday, but it's
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: like Tuesday. Yeah, he's gonna be gone for a while
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, he's decompressing next Tuesday. I'm glad
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: that some of us that's what it should have said
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: in the out of email some of us can clear
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: our heads, I guess. But his email was, Hey, guys,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: uh was Bill O'Brien the offensive coordinator right around the
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: time they had the two tight end emphasis? Yes, I
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: know Henry is not wrong. John was certainly not Hernandez.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: But do you think we could see more of that
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: if O'Brien comes back. That's that's a good question. And
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that we, as we've discussed, I
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people, us included, overestimated, myself included,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: overestimated the amount they were gonna run two tight ends
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: and forever whatever reason, they didn't. Another interesting point though,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's come out about that season though, was, um,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it was a lockout and Belichick wanted to
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: go fast and that was It wasn't so much. I mean,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: it was the two tight ends, but it was also
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: the one word play calls that was part of it too,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: and the speed that they went a lot, yeah, directly
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: kind of related to that season and just the lack
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: of preparation teams would have trying to turn the screws
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: on them and you know, a challenge their conditioning a
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: little bit. So I don't. I don't know that was
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: special circumstances going into that. I don't know how it
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: translates now if he's going to look at or if
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: he would theoretically look at these tight ends and say, oh,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we can we can reproduce something similar.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: But I think, based on what we saw, neither one
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: of those guys is the dynamic open field threat that
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Aaron hern Well. I mean there's a couple of things.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: Number One, I would say, without question, the guy who
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: was the object of every fan's ire this year was
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Jona Smith. Yeah, and yet it seems like we're looking
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: for more opportunities to get him on the field more,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: you know, because two tight ends automatically means you're gonna
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: have a good offense. I guess. So. I think Mike
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: just hit that perfectly. If your personnel dictates that you
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: do something, that's why you do it. Not because I
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: want to do this formation because that allows me to
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: be successful. It's only successful if the guys are good,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: and I think that it will wait and see what
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: happens with Jona Smith. The other thing that that do
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: mentioned this is going to come off as like I'm
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: being sarcastic, and it's completely the opposite. We credit Belichick
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: with so many things that are just like routine that
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: he didn't really innovate in joint practices. Oh, oh my god,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: I could give you a laundry list of snark deferring.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: I could give you a laundry list of snark. The
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: forward pass. That's what what Mike just said about coming
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: off the lockout in twenty eleven is one of many
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: reasons why Bill is the greatest coach who's ever done it,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: because I don't think everybody looked at it that way,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: like preparation time is short. We have a veteran group
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: here with Tom Brady. We're gonna go ultra fast, one
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: word play calls, We're gonna we're gonna put all kinds
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: of pressure. That team wasn't that good, That twenty eleven team,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: you remember it had a riff defense defense. He knew
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: he was gonna have to score a lot of points.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: He knew where the strength was with Brady, the tight ends,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: And that was another another advance cards, Like I don't
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: think just anybody does that says, oh, no preparation, how
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: can we exploit that? Oh this is this is a
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: way we could exploit that, like instead of giving him
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: credit for you know, playing eleven guys on defense, which
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: he seems like he gets credit for, like, you know, innovating,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: you know, find the real stuff. I know, we're going
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: to make it interesting. Like that's a thing that I
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: don't think just anybody does. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, but
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: I yeah, and but it's how, you know, how does
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: it relate to two tight ends? What they're going to
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: do now with Billy? Oh, I don't. I don't know.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, But I'm not saying he's the only
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: one that does these things. I wouldn't expect it to
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: suddenly bells here we go. I don't think that Kevin
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: and Dublin wanted to know. On this same topic, if
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: we saw any differences, real differences between McDaniels and O'Brien
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: in terms of play calling style throughout the year, I
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: don't remember. But I also don't it's hard. I don't
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: think so. I think the offense is the offense. I
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: think people that think it's a great thing that Josh
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: left because it's going to be different, they're gonna be
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: disappointed because I think the system is going to be
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: the same, which makes sense. I mean think you want
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: to do you want to try to I mean I
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: don't especially in the crucial year two development with the
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: young quarterback, and do you don't want to make him
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: learn something completely different? You know? And like the bigger
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: like the bigger picture question for me is, you know,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: is how does Bill want to plot out the end
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: for him? Like what kind of coaches does you would
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: guess that whoever he's bringing it off his owner, Bills Bills, Yeah,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: Like how does he want to manage the team during
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: this period in terms of how much he's involved on
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: either side of the ball. Does he want to bring
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: in an experienced coach who can kind of take one
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: side of the ball over and be separate and take
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: things off of his plate or does he want to
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: continue to do what he's been doing and develop young coaches,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: put young coaches into that and bring in more young
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: coaches to fill them and you know, maybe them when
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: Bill does decide to hang them up. You've got offensive coordinator,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: defensive coat, coaching staff that's been rebuilt, that has experienced,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: but now can kind of care on his message Because
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I said it on Tuesday, I
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: felt like after Josh and Ziegler left, it's like Bill
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: Belichick stands alone right now, Like it just feels like
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: it's kind of him here, and we know time is
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: winding down, and I truly believe he wants to leave
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: this franchise in a good position when he does leave.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: So I think you're going to start to see some
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: of the plan a little bit as he starts to
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: make these hires now of what kind of coaches he
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: brings in Sean and Vancouver on the Ace ticket hot line,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: close us out today, Erica a few things. So in
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: terms of the Rooney rule, it doesn't really work, and
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: we know everyone said that because of just rubber stamping
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: when you have requirements for the actual interview. But I
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: think it would work if you had a reward for
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: hiring that that might be something like I have the
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: same situation for my work, and yeah, you could say,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: you know I'm going to spend one so get ready
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: all up. But when I auditioned, um, the union has
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: a requirement here that you have to see so many
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: local actors and remember that when when a production, you know,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: like I auditioned for a couple of years ago for
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: a big our drama and they were going with Richard Kine.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: That's who they cast, you know, dj uh uh and CBS,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: and that they're not thinking like, oh, we're gonna go
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: Sean board off over Richard Kine. They're just like, Okay,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to bring in some some local actors.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: So that bring me in and other actors to audition
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: a lot. It doesn't. It's just just let's sean. I've
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: been on the other side of that as a producer
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: and having to go to Vancouver site exactly what you're
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: talking about, like, yeah, yeah, you know the same thing.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: We got it, we got align some locals up to yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: And and then the other thing I wanted to mention
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: is on a positive note in terms of the Pro
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl for for Mac getting selected as an alternative
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: a replacement. Um, it's it's really good new from is
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: the way I look at it, because it means that
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: he's the sixth best quarterback in terms of Pro Bowl voters,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: right because they didn't select car but they they selected Jones.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: So for some reason they they think he's better than
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: Derek Carr. So that's that's kind of take your word
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: for it. I don't know if they don't know, and
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: he declined, I don't know a lot of the people.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: A lot of people declined I don't know. What I
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: discovered is they don't really tell you. They don't really
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: tell you who you don't know. That's one point. I
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: wouldn't read anything into it. But you know from injuries, right,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: because you know Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are injured,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: so they're they're not there some of them. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I mean Patrick, just a million guys, right,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: And Josh Allen did like say, I'm not playing. I
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: declined to play, so yeah, he's about yeah right sure. Um,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: And the last last thing I want to talk about
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: is that. But the point, Sean real quick is you know,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: the guys that made it, that said no, you don't
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: know after that, if you if they didn't make it,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: if they said no and they just went down the list,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: they only announced who accepted. Okay, they don't. So if
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: you say no to an alternate, you don't have to
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: say why that's okay, thanks. Josh Allen said no, well,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: yeah he didn't make Yeah he was an alternate. Josh
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: was an alternate and he said no, yeah, right, But
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going down the list after that,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to report it, I imagine. I guess then, right,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if someone and I don't know
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: this to be the like, for all I know, Mac
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: was the sixth alternate, I don't know, well, like in
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: this case, the third alternate, the sixth one in the AFC, right,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: that could be the way they do it. I don't know.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think they picked that many alternates. I think
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: there's like I think there's like an alternate and then
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: after that they like then they just start calling you
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: want to go like Joe Burrow, Like, don't tell me
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow wasn't ahead of him right now obviously he
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: can't play because he's in the super Bowl. Yeah, but
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, Herbert, you know, is he there?
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Did he make it? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so he ended
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: up going yeah he's yeah, he is there. So I mean,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: I think I think there's a lot of guys right
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: that would I mean, certainly Derek Carr would have been
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: over and if you ask me, but I don't, like,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah. Yeah. So the other thing
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: about teams, we're talking about Washington and team names. Yeah,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: the Commander brought up a couple of like of names
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: in in uh basketball. But you know a lot of
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: teams they have the name from where they move, like
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: the Lakers, yea, Minnesota, the Jazz, Grizzlies here in Grizzlies.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: But what I thought was kind of funny, is we
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: go back to the original question. Uh, the Redskins were
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: originally from Boston. It's true? Correct, Yeah, that's right, Yeah,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: all right, that's all right, A huge a huge Indian area, right,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: thanks Sean. I believe they would, wasn't it the Algonquins?
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong on that? Am I? Not the team name? Like?
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: I think that was what they were honoring, like the
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: heritage of the I don't. I don't remember, don't don't.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: I might be remember that, but you might be right.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do remember obviously, like an
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: enormous Indian heritage, Native Americans. Well, also the Atlanta heritage,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves, worthy, Boston Braves, right, and they played at
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: our old field, Nickerson. What became next? Seminoles are from Florida,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: that's right? What's your what are you on a point?
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: You have no point? All right, that's that's our two
• 2:03:23
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• 2:03:26
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• 2:03:36
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• 2:03:38
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• 2:03:41
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• 2:03:45
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