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MOM OF LITTLE GIRL FOUND LOCKED IN CLOSET STARVED, 1 CORN-DOG A DAY, REJECTS PLEA DEAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Virginia Gonzalez, the mom of multiple children, including a seven
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Speaker 2: year old little girl found locked in a dark closet
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Speaker 2: that was barricaded down to about twenty six pounds, fed
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Speaker 2: one corn dog a day. If that, well, I'm looking
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Speaker 2: at her mugshot. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? What happened to
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Speaker 2: those massive fake eyelashes? Where did they go?
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Speaker 3: Uh?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Here she is in the raw and Miss Thing comes
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Speaker 2: into court and demands to speak. Of course, I could
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Speaker 2: not be happier. That's right, a mom of a little
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Speaker 2: girl just seven years old at twenty six pounds. I
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Speaker 2: think John David Wade did it five months for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 2: locked in a closet, catered in the closet, the closet
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Speaker 2: dark in their twenty four to seven three sixty five,
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Speaker 2: gets one corn dog a day if that speaks out
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Speaker 2: in court.
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Speaker 1: Now, before I.
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Speaker 2: Tell you what Miss Thing says in court, let me
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Speaker 2: jog your memory about what happened.
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Speaker 4: On April third, twenty twenty five, Austin Police Department responded
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Speaker 4: to a nine to one to one call for a
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Speaker 4: seven year old child that was found locked in a
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Speaker 4: closet and starving. The seven year old was immediately taken
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Speaker 4: to a local hospital for medical treatment and it's currently recovering.
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Speaker 4: There were six other children found in the home that
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Speaker 4: appeared physically healthy.
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Speaker 5: Police officers at an Austin apartment find a severely malnourished
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Speaker 5: seven year old girl who is barricaded in a bedroom closet.
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Speaker 5: The child is found soiled, weighing just twenty nine pounds,
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Speaker 5: and has been confined to a three foot by two
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Speaker 5: foot closet space for approximately a month. Investigators find the
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Speaker 5: child has been given one corn dog and a half
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Speaker 5: a cup of water a day. Doctors Adell Children's Medical
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Speaker 5: Center determined the little girl as suffering moderate to severe
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Speaker 5: cerebral atrophy from prolonged malnutrition, damage from which she will
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Speaker 5: never recover.
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Speaker 2: And now new details emerging in a case out of Austin, Texas,
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Speaker 2: Authorities first learn a seven year old girl is locked
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Speaker 2: in a closet.
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Speaker 1: Who knows how long. She weighs twenty six pounds.
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Speaker 2: When they go to inspect that, they find out her
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Speaker 2: sister has been missing four years. Mommy Virginia Gonzales spacing
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Speaker 2: charges including injury to a child, inflicting serious injury after
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Speaker 2: her daughter found locked in a closet and starving. But
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Speaker 2: it was only after that arrest police learned she never
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Speaker 2: reported the disappearance of the other child, a nine year
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Speaker 2: old little girl missing since December two thousand and seventeen.
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Speaker 2: Now many people have asked me online, why didn't the
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Speaker 2: grandmother do anything. Well, the grandmother did call police when
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Speaker 2: she went to the home and found the seven year
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Speaker 2: old in the closet, but no one called police about
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Speaker 2: the missing sister. And I want to remind you this
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Speaker 2: closet was less than five feet by two feet five
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Speaker 2: by two five feet tall, two feet wide.
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Speaker 1: There were other objects in there. What other objects in there?
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Speaker 2: No light, no ventilation, and it was barricaded by seventy
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Speaker 2: five pounds of boxes in front of it.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the life that.
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Speaker 2: Child had in a closet her living space about three
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Speaker 2: by one foot ten inches three by two let's be generous,
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Speaker 2: no light, no ventilation, barricaded on the outside by seventy five.
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Speaker 1: Pound boxes in front of it.
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Speaker 2: The little girl was soiled, of course, she had tee
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Speaker 2: teed and defecated. I said, twenty six, it's twenty nine pounds,
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Speaker 2: twenty nine pounds when she was rescued. She's already suffered
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Speaker 2: moderate to severe cerebral atrophy. That's permanent brain damage due
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Speaker 2: to prolonged nutrition. This is what we are just learning.
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Speaker 1: Quote.
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Speaker 2: She will never recover, according to the state's affidavit. Now,
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Speaker 2: the other six children in the home from two to
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Speaker 2: fourteen told grandma they were ordered to lock her in
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Speaker 2: there because she had quote bladder control issues and was
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Speaker 2: quote always getting into stuff and quote eating things she
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Speaker 2: was not supposed to, what like food. A ten year
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Speaker 2: old brother told police he was told he had to
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Speaker 2: clean the closet because the little sister would have to
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Speaker 2: defecate and urinate in the closet. The little girl gets
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Speaker 2: just a corn dog a day and a half a
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Speaker 2: cup of water. How can a child survive day after day,
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Speaker 2: week after week, month after month, locked in a dark closet,
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Speaker 2: living off nothing, straight out to Christina Ohio joining US
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter Christina, this child locked in a closet.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 6: Well, according to the affadavit, when police got there, when
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Speaker 6: the caller called in for the welfare check and police
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Speaker 6: got there, they found a seven year old little girl
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Speaker 6: locked in a closet. It was barricaded by seventy five
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Speaker 6: pounds of boxes. They opened that door, they found that
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Speaker 6: child in there. She was soiled, surrounded by feces. She
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Speaker 6: was severely malnourished. She had dark spots all over her body,
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Speaker 6: which is a sign of severe malnourishment. They took her,
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Speaker 6: of course, to the hospital where she weighed twenty nine
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Speaker 6: pounds and medical personnel say that because of the prolonged
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Speaker 6: starvation of that little girl, that she will have permanent
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Speaker 6: brain damage.
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Speaker 2: Permanent brain damage caused by starvation. Joining me, Virginia Bagbee,
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Speaker 2: director of Child Help, National child abuse hotline Child Help.
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Speaker 1: Virginia, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Many people don't know that starving a child can result
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Speaker 2: in permanent brain damage.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anything like it before, Virginia.
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Speaker 7: We have definitely heard about cases like this, and they
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Speaker 7: happen all too often.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner Terrent County.
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Speaker 1: That's fort Worth, never a lack of business.
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Speaker 2: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
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Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU and has just launched a hit podcast,
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Speaker 2: Mayhem and the More. Doctor Kendall Crowns thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. I know that you heard this, but
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Speaker 2: let me repeat it again. A seven year old little
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Speaker 2: girl barricaded in a locked bedroom closet lot from the outside, soiled,
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Speaker 2: a seven year old weigh just twenty nine pounds, confined
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Speaker 2: to a three by two foot closet. She is being
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Speaker 2: given at most one corn dog and a half cup
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Speaker 2: of water a day.
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Speaker 1: She is now.
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Speaker 2: Suffering permanent, moderate to severe cerebral atrophy from prolonged malnutrition.
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Speaker 2: The dock states she will never recover. Could you interpret
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Speaker 2: that please?
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Speaker 8: Certainly? So she's not being given much food or water.
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Speaker 8: I mean a corn dog and a cup of water
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Speaker 8: is not much for a child or anybody for that matter.
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Speaker 8: Her body is losing its depleting its muscle, depleting its stores,
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Speaker 8: so her muscles are wasting away, her bones are starting
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Speaker 8: to not form properly, and she's being starved. And part
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Speaker 8: of being starved results in your cardiac muscle or your
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Speaker 8: heart muscle mass starting to also fade away or go away,
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Speaker 8: which reduces your heart's ability to pump your blood, which
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Speaker 8: results in your kidney's failing and you go into kidney failure.
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Speaker 8: You also start having gut issues as well, and this
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Speaker 8: can all affect your brain and your brain's development, especially
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Speaker 8: in a child. So all those factors combined will result
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Speaker 8: in her having these issues that the doctors are describing.
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Speaker 1: Now, there general crowns.
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Speaker 2: A child of seven years old should weigh around seventy
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Speaker 2: pounds forty five to seventy pounds, Is that right?
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Speaker 8: Yes, it would be about the average date of a
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Speaker 8: child at.
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Speaker 2: Seven, a seven year old average. Of course, they grow
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Speaker 2: in different ways. The average is fifty one pounds for
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Speaker 2: a seven year old child, but it ranges from forty
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Speaker 2: three to seventy. So where would you place twenty nine
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Speaker 2: pounds in that spectrum? Twenty nine pounds. If a seven
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Speaker 2: year old can weigh up to seventy three, she's not
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Speaker 2: even half the weight of a seven year old.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, the way you're describing as a severely malnourished child,
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Speaker 8: So she's been starved for a prolonged period of time.
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Speaker 1: How does that make a child brain damaged?
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Speaker 8: It's from the body shutting down, the lack of food,
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Speaker 8: the lack of loss of muscle mass, the heart muscle
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Speaker 8: mass being lost and not circulating properly. The organs aren't
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Speaker 8: getting enough oxygenated blood and of course the brain's part
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Speaker 8: of this, so the brain's not getting proper oxygenation. Also,
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Speaker 8: the brain relies on glucose or sugars to grow and develop,
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Speaker 8: and it's not getting that as well, So the brain
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Speaker 8: is basically maldeveloped, not getting enough oxygen, so you get
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Speaker 8: brain damage.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that a child weighing twenty nine pounds typically,
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Speaker 2: and I'm basing this on charts of statistics that I prepared,
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Speaker 2: it's typically a twenty two month old child at twenty
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Speaker 2: nine pounds.
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Speaker 8: Yes, I would be correct.
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Speaker 2: A seven year old little girl, doctor Kymdall Crowns, that
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Speaker 2: should weigh seventy one pounds fifty one to seventy one
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Speaker 2: pounds weighs twenty nine pounds. With a child starving, what
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Speaker 2: would she be enduring on the floor of that locked closet,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 8: She would be enduring confusion, dehydration, or a very dry
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Speaker 8: mouth or throat. It'd be dry, she'd have trouble swallowing,
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Speaker 8: she'd be very tired in just not able to even move.
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Speaker 8: And then you would add on to that the fact
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Speaker 8: that without the food she'd start hallucinating, and then eventually
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Speaker 8: just slip into a coma and finally die.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendel crowns, would the child lose her hair? I
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Speaker 2: know that she's losing all muscle tone. Would she be
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Speaker 2: losing her hair? Would her faculties or hearing her sight?
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Speaker 2: Would that be intact? And what would her brain function
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Speaker 2: be lying on the floor of a dark closet starving.
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Speaker 8: So yes, hair often will fall out in individuals who
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Speaker 8: are starved. Her brain function would be very minimal. She'd
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Speaker 8: be confused, even possibly hallucinating, and just completely fatigued and
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Speaker 8: not even feeling like moving.
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Speaker 1: Is it true?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendal crowns that when someone has been starved for
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Speaker 2: a prolonged period of time, as in this case, when
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Speaker 2: you give them food, they can't even eat it.
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Speaker 8: Yes, you can have what is called if you give
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Speaker 8: a person who's been starved, you feed them too quickly,
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Speaker 8: you can have what is called refeeding syndrome, where they
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Speaker 8: actually will the food intake it will cause so much
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Speaker 8: of a shock to their body that they can die.
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Speaker 2: Guys, when police show up to a home, they find
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Speaker 2: six children and then a seventh locked in a closet
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Speaker 2: weighing just twenty nine pounds, but ironically, amazingly listen to
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Speaker 2: the condition of the other six children.
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Speaker 5: Six other children in the apartment, ranging in age from
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Speaker 5: two to fourteen years old, are found to be an
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Speaker 5: apparently good physical condition. The apartment's pantry, refrigerator in freezer
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Speaker 5: are stocked with various food items. The oldest children were
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Speaker 5: given strict orders to put the little girl in the
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Speaker 5: closet because she had bladder control issues and she was
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Speaker 5: trying to eat things she wasn't supposed to. During the investigation,
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Speaker 5: police learned there's an eighth child, Ava Marie, who is
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Speaker 5: not in the home with the other children.
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Speaker 2: We've got one starved child who has permanent brain damage.
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Speaker 2: A seven year old little girl weighing twenty nine pounds
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Speaker 2: locked in a closet. Now I've got a missing child too.
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Speaker 2: But to doctor angel Arnold joining me renowned psychiatrists out
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Speaker 2: of the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD dot com,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Angie, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear what was just reported?
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Speaker 2: That there were six other children in the home seemingly healthy,
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Speaker 2: and they were encouraged to keep the little girl locked
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Speaker 2: in a closet, starving her because the little girl would
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Speaker 2: eat things she wasn't.
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Speaker 1: Supposed to eat.
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Speaker 2: You know what, doctor Angie, I've heard every excuse in
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Speaker 2: the book about why parents starve the children. Oh, the
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Speaker 2: child ate a candy bar, I'll starve it. The child
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Speaker 2: eats too much, I'll starve it. The child misbehaved, I'll
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Speaker 2: starve it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a million.
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Speaker 2: Excuses I have heard as to why moms and dads starve.
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Speaker 1: The baby dead.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we see six other children seemingly healthy, and.
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Speaker 9: This is oftentimes what we do see in cases like this, Nancy,
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Speaker 9: So the other children need to be taken care of
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Speaker 9: as well as this goes on, because they have been
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Speaker 9: suffering something.
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Speaker 10: Called Stockholm syndrome.
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Speaker 9: They want to They are so scared of the abuse
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Speaker 9: that they see being heaped on this other child that
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Speaker 9: they that they go into it with their mother literally
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Speaker 9: to protect themselves. Okay, because Nancy, imagine how scared these
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Speaker 9: other children are. They never know who's going to be
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Speaker 9: next to be locked in that closet. So they're going
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Speaker 9: to listen to their mama. They're going to do what
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Speaker 9: she says. And I think that they could probably also
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Speaker 9: psychologically sort of break off from from feeling towards the
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Speaker 9: child that is being locked in the closet so that
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Speaker 9: they can protect themselves, because this is chaos that this.
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Speaker 10: Family is living in.
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Speaker 9: It is complete and utter chaos, and all of those
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Speaker 9: other children are suffering. They may not be branded brain damaged.
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Speaker 10: Excuse me, they.
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Speaker 9: Are not being you know, they're not being starved, but
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Speaker 9: they are also being damaged by the so called mother
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Speaker 9: of theirs.
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Speaker 11: A missing child case takes a dark turn after a
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Speaker 11: disturbing discovery inside a family home.
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Speaker 2: It brings to mind the case of another seven year
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Speaker 2: old child, Adrian Jones.
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Speaker 1: There was just handed.
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Speaker 2: Down a multimillion dollar verdict against the state of Kentucky.
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Speaker 2: Adrian Jones was systematically starved, forced by his mother and father.
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Speaker 1: To watch the rest of the family.
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Speaker 2: They would put bars of soap in his mouth while
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Speaker 2: everyone else ate, force him to stand outside, chin deep
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Speaker 2: in a pool until finally the boy died.
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Speaker 1: They killed the boy. Listen.
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Speaker 5: Former bail bondsman Michael Jones is a wardy custody of
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Speaker 5: his son, Adrian Jones, and takes the boy away from
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Speaker 5: his mother For the next four years. Adrian is regularly starved,
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Speaker 5: rudely beaten, tortured taste and locked in a shower naked
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Speaker 5: for months. Adrian's brothers sisters do not suffer the same fate.
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Speaker 5: Adrian is singled out by his father and stepmother. When
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Speaker 5: the child dies, Michael Jones buys two pigs and doesn't
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Speaker 5: feed them. While the Adrian's body is left in the
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Speaker 5: shower for two weeks. When the pigs are starving, Michael
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Speaker 5: Jones feeds his son to the pigs. Michael and Heather
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Speaker 5: Jones plead guilty to first yegary murder and are serving
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Speaker 5: twenty five years to life.
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Speaker 2: So in one closet, we've got the child starved and
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Speaker 2: a and back to you, doctor Anngie Arnold, you said
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Speaker 2: the other siblings are gonna have to be in treatment.
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Speaker 2: You're right, because they didn't just watch their sister starve
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Speaker 2: slowly to death. They were forced to keep her in
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Speaker 2: the closet themselves.
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Speaker 1: They're going to go the rest of their lives.
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Speaker 2: Thinking they starve their sister and now she's got permanent
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Speaker 2: brain damage.
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Speaker 10: Angie, that's exactly correct, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: These children have been abused in a different way, and
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Speaker 9: it's all for a matter of control. It's to keep
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Speaker 9: all of those children in control, Nancy, because you know,
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Speaker 9: you can only imagine there's one mother all of these children.
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Speaker 9: If somebody got old enough to decide, you know, we
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Speaker 9: really shouldn't be treating this person this way, they could
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Speaker 9: possibly escape or something like this.
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Speaker 10: Right, but that mother.
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Speaker 9: Is making sure that they are so terrified. They are
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Speaker 9: so terrified in the home that they live in, and
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Speaker 9: she and she feeds them so that they have this
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Speaker 9: odd relationship where with the mother where they still need.
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Speaker 10: Her, but they're scared of her, so that none of
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Speaker 10: them will go against Charlotte Too.
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Speaker 2: Brown Blake joining US agent, Professor of University Texas School
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Speaker 2: of Law, Chief Legal Officer Texas Advocacy Project, browin thank.
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Speaker 1: You for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I've seen it many many times, like in Adrian Jones,
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Speaker 2: like in this case, for one child out of the
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Speaker 2: whole group is singled out and they're the ones that starved.
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Speaker 1: That child is the one that's abused.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand the phenomena, but I accept it because
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Speaker 2: I've seen it over and over, even cases that I prosecuted,
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Speaker 2: other children would go unscathed while the one child would
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Speaker 2: end up dead.
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Speaker 12: The idea that abuse is all about power and control
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Speaker 12: really helps explain this dynamic. This person is not out
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Speaker 12: of control. They're being very calculated and systematic in who
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Speaker 12: they abuse and how so all of those children experienced abuse,
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Speaker 12: just in different ways.
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Speaker 1: Guys.
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Speaker 2: Not only do we have a child starved your death,
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Speaker 2: languishing on the floor of locked closet, we have a
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Speaker 2: missing child.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 4: During the investigation, police discovered that there was an eighth
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Speaker 4: child who was not found inside the home. The missing
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Speaker 4: nine year old child was identified as Ava Marie Gonzalez.
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Speaker 4: Missing persons Detectives determined that Ava was last seen in
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Speaker 4: December twenty seventeen, when she was two years old and
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Speaker 4: in the custody of her mother, Virginia Marie Gonzalez.
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Speaker 5: Learning there should be eight children in the apartment, not
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Speaker 5: just the seven they found, police opened an investigation and
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Speaker 5: quickly determined Ava Marie has not been seen by family
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Speaker 5: or friends since she was two years old in twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 5: in custody of her mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Considering the condition
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Speaker 5: of Ava's seven year old sister when she was found,
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Speaker 5: Austin police detected are very concerned about Ava's welfare.
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Speaker 2: So they've got six children seemingly healthy. You've got one
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Speaker 2: child starved locked in a closet, and now you've got
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Speaker 2: a missing child. Joining me is a special guest. This
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Speaker 2: is Leanne Marie, friend of the children's mother, Virginia Gonzalez. Leanne,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Yes, ma'am, Leanne Marie.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about Virginia Gonzalez.
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Speaker 13: So, from what I know, she was just a normal person.
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Speaker 14: I mean, honestly, she never really had her kids with her,
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Speaker 14: like you know, presence. The only one that I've seen
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Speaker 14: with her in the past year was the oldest one,
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Speaker 14: the fourteen year old. Besides that, we never knew that
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Speaker 14: she had, you know, the little girl.
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Speaker 13: We only knew of boys.
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Speaker 14: So she was just a typical person, partying out in
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Speaker 14: the clubs and the bars. I mean, she she was
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Speaker 14: just she never lived like she even had nine eight
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Speaker 14: nine kids.
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Speaker 13: Very very you're scaring me.
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Speaker 2: Now there's mommy, Hi mom, Yeah, but there she is,
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Speaker 2: party down mom. Where are your children right now? William
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Speaker 2: Marine just said something that scared me. Okay, hold on,
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Speaker 2: So I know that there are six children in the home,
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Speaker 2: healthy ish, one starved in a closet, and one missing.
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Speaker 1: That's eight.
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Speaker 2: But you mentioned nine, the possibility of a ninth child.
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Speaker 13: Yes, ma'am, a very ninth child.
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Speaker 14: Yes, So it's right now they're saying that this night child,
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Speaker 14: he is not He does not have a social social
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Speaker 14: security here in Texas, so he's not registered here in Texas.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Darryl Parker, I need you and I need you
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Speaker 2: now there's another missing child.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
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Speaker 2: Darryl Parker, former Lieutenant Fanning County Sheriff's Office, former marine,
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Speaker 2: former Texas police officer.
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Speaker 1: Help me. So we're learning right now that there's a
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Speaker 1: ninth child that's in the wind. Nobody knows how old.
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Speaker 2: The child is, where it is, it doesn't have a
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Speaker 2: Texas Social Security number.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Nancy, that's pretty concerning. I know that the
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Speaker 3: mom has already made several statements to police that are
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Speaker 3: inconsistent about the child that is missing already that they
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Speaker 3: already know about. And it'll be interesting to see if
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Speaker 3: some follow up questioning can reveal anything about this ninth child.
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Speaker 8: Possible ninth child.
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Speaker 2: Virginia Bagby joining us from Child Help National abuse hotline
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Speaker 2: going into this right now. I knew that there were
22:43
Speaker 2: eight children, six in the home one Starve near death
22:47
Speaker 2: with brain damage and one missing since twenty seventeen. Now
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing about child number nine. Is that child dead?
22:56
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you do when you get a
22:58
Speaker 2: call like this? The child help?
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Speaker 7: Well, this is a really difficult one. I would encourage
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Speaker 7: somebody to reach out to the local hospitals potentially where
23:07
Speaker 7: all the other children have been born, to see if
23:09
Speaker 7: they have any record. This is very concerning to have
23:12
Speaker 7: two children missing. Now these other children have probably are
23:15
Speaker 7: aware that they have siblings that are missing. Add that
23:18
Speaker 7: to the terror they've been experiencing.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In court, Miss thing Virginia Gonzalez states, I instructed them
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Speaker 2: not to let her out of the bedroom, but not
23:41
Speaker 2: the closet, so she would basically blame the other children.
23:46
Speaker 2: Quote we'd catch her in the restroom doing something bad.
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Speaker 2: What what would she be doing in the bathroom at
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Speaker 2: seven years old? Quote it was easier for my sons
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Speaker 2: to watch her that way.
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Speaker 1: Are you doing?
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Speaker 2: What was grandma doing? Why weren't they watching her? Why
24:03
Speaker 2: would you leave a ten year old boy in charge
24:06
Speaker 2: of six other children? Text messages uncover Gonzala is texting
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Speaker 2: one of her children. Quote, clean the closet, then throw
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Speaker 2: her back in. In the affidavit we obtained, the detective
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Speaker 2: describes a child, the fat in her cheeks was nonexistent.
24:22
Speaker 2: Her body had used those stores to sustain itself. Now,
24:27
Speaker 2: wait a minute, Gonzales speaks more. She insists the children
24:33
Speaker 2: had quote adequate food. I don't dispute I was wrong.
24:38
Speaker 2: I know what I've done is wrong. I want to
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Speaker 2: fight for my kids. Are you serious? I'm ready to
24:44
Speaker 2: do whatever I need to keep my children in my life.
24:47
Speaker 2: Well you know what, they could be your pen pals
24:50
Speaker 2: from behind bars woman.
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Speaker 11: A shocking discovery inside a home leads police to investigate
24:56
Speaker 11: a long buried secret.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Liam Marie is joining us. A friend of the mom,
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Speaker 2: Virginia Gozalz MS murray, thank you because what you've.
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Speaker 1: Just said could save a child's life.
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Speaker 2: Yes, mom, However, do you know Leanne is the ninth
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Speaker 2: child older younger girl.
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Speaker 14: Boy, it's a boy, and he is around age nine
25:21
Speaker 14: to ten years old. So she has a fourteen and eleven,
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Speaker 14: A ten, A nine, a seven. I know she has
25:31
Speaker 14: two three year olds the newborn. So there's there's there's
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Speaker 14: nine from what I'm hearing right now.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, let me have this up.
25:38
Speaker 2: There's a fourteen year old, an eleven year old, a
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Speaker 2: ten year old, A nine year old is the boy
25:45
Speaker 2: that you think is missing? A seven year old is
25:50
Speaker 2: a little girl starved in the closet? Two three year old?
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Speaker 2: Go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight, I'm
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Speaker 2: missing somebody fourteen eleven, nine, three and three, and a
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Speaker 2: kneeborn what now?
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Speaker 14: So Ava's around eight nine years old, and then the
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Speaker 14: little boys right after her eleven months difference.
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Speaker 1: You stated that.
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Speaker 2: Virginia Gozales, the mother the starving little girl, and the
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Speaker 2: other missing girl was quote normal would go partying at
26:24
Speaker 2: the clubs and the bars. Hey, I don't have a
26:26
Speaker 2: problem with that party down, mommy, But what would she
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Speaker 2: ever mention who was taking care of the children while
26:36
Speaker 2: she's at the bar.
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Speaker 14: So from we understand, was that the kids, all the
26:41
Speaker 14: kids were left with the grandmother of She has three
26:45
Speaker 14: kids that belonged to one father and they were that
26:48
Speaker 14: was who she was with the past seven years, and
26:51
Speaker 14: so they were supposedly all living with the grandmother.
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Speaker 2: You're saying, mommy, now out partying on a boat, drinking
26:58
Speaker 2: straight out of a vague COMMUNI bottle ooh, there she
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Speaker 2: is in a bar? Why bother with a glass? Seriously,
27:06
Speaker 2: why who needs a glass when you can drink straight
27:09
Speaker 2: from the bottle. There's mommy chowing down on some free
27:14
Speaker 2: toes and chips on a boat while her twenty nine
27:19
Speaker 2: pound seven year old daughter is locked in a closet
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Speaker 2: at home. Okay, doctor Angie Arnold, I need to shrink
27:27
Speaker 2: because why is she had on a boat parting while
27:31
Speaker 2: her child is starving in a closet and two children
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Speaker 2: are missing?
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Speaker 8: Right?
27:35
Speaker 9: And Nancy can she how can she just be so
27:38
Speaker 9: unattached from all of these children that she's having. So
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Speaker 9: my question is why is she having all of these children?
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Speaker 9: And I'm sorry, is it to support her lifestyle?
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Speaker 10: And where are the fathers of these children?
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Speaker 9: We always have to ask where is We're always you know,
27:55
Speaker 9: why does the mother taking care of them?
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Speaker 8: Okay?
27:57
Speaker 9: Yeah, she is a horrible person that has done thanks
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Speaker 9: to at least two of her children that we know about.
28:03
Speaker 10: Where are the fathers of these children? And why are.
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Speaker 9: Any of them involved? But Nancy, I don't believe she
28:08
Speaker 9: should be out partying on a boat. I think that
28:10
Speaker 9: when you have children, you should be at home taking
28:12
Speaker 9: care of your children and not relying on someone else
28:15
Speaker 9: to take care of them, because again we don't know
28:19
Speaker 9: how children take that, but oftentimes when mothers are not around,
28:24
Speaker 9: children do since a fear of abandonment when their mother
28:28
Speaker 9: is not taking care of them.
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Speaker 2: But to Ron, when Blake joining us as junct professor
28:33
Speaker 2: University takes a school of law rowin, I'm not the
28:36
Speaker 2: church lady. If mom wants to party, go ahead. If
28:40
Speaker 2: mom wants to vape and smoke, have at it. The
28:44
Speaker 2: issue is intent When she is out partying in her
28:49
Speaker 2: club and bar finery, her child is at home starving
28:55
Speaker 2: and two of them are missing.
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Speaker 1: Now that goes to intent.
29:00
Speaker 2: When I'm trying to prove felony child neglect to a jury,
29:06
Speaker 2: that's when that type of video let's see the video
29:08
Speaker 2: again comes in to play. I couldn't care less what
29:12
Speaker 2: mommy whares or what Barshi goes to. Don't care, But
29:16
Speaker 2: if your child is at home, starving in a closet,
29:20
Speaker 2: suddenly your behavior, your actions during that time are relevant.
29:25
Speaker 12: Absolutely, I can tell you're thinking like a prosecutor. The
29:28
Speaker 12: contrast between the images you're showing of these this child
29:33
Speaker 12: and then her mother partying, it tells the whole story there,
29:36
Speaker 12: and unfortunately many of users present one face to some people,
29:40
Speaker 12: can be very charming to some people. And then we
29:43
Speaker 12: hear about these horrible things happening at home.
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Speaker 2: Two Doctor Kimmel Crown's joining me, Chief Medical Examiner, Terran County.
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Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth. Doctor Kimmel crowns.
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Speaker 2: I've got one child starved almost beyond recognition, her bones
29:58
Speaker 2: sticking out, you know, like they're visible through the skin.
30:05
Speaker 2: I've got that child starved, almost dead, permanent brain injury.
30:09
Speaker 2: I've got a missing little girl, and now I'm learning
30:14
Speaker 2: from leam Marie there's another boy missing that is about one,
30:19
Speaker 2: two three, fourth in the progression line of children. Leam
30:23
Speaker 2: Marie joining us, a friend of mom Virginia Gonzalez. Did
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Speaker 2: you know that Ava was missing?
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Speaker 13: No, we had no idea.
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Speaker 14: Back in twenty eighteen, when I originally first met Virginia,
30:39
Speaker 14: we only knew of.
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Speaker 13: Three little boys.
30:41
Speaker 14: So after talking to mutual friends and all concluding that
30:46
Speaker 14: she had Ava's hair shaved like a boy, she never
30:51
Speaker 14: had Ava in her possess, I mean, she never let
30:55
Speaker 14: us know that it was a girl. She had her
30:58
Speaker 14: presented as a boy to all of us. So We're
31:02
Speaker 14: all in shock. We didn't nobody knew that she had Ava.
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Speaker 1: Leanne, I don't understand this.
31:08
Speaker 2: So she showed you Ava, but this is the missing child,
31:13
Speaker 2: not the starving child. Right, you saw Ava. And she
31:18
Speaker 2: had her dressed like a boy with her head shaved.
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Speaker 14: She had her hair, she had him hat, she had
31:25
Speaker 14: a faid, He had a faid. I definitely confirmed this
31:29
Speaker 14: with her landlord and roommates that she lived with back
31:33
Speaker 14: in twenty eighteen. Everybody concluded that and confirmed it. It
31:39
Speaker 14: was a little boy, it was not a Nobody knew
31:41
Speaker 14: she had a little.
31:41
Speaker 2: Girl, Leanne knowing the mother, why do you think she
31:46
Speaker 2: shaved the little girl's head and passed her off as
31:48
Speaker 2: a boy.
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Speaker 14: I feel like that she had a anger issue with
31:55
Speaker 14: the little girls because of the way her mother treated
31:58
Speaker 14: her back when she was little, and I think that
32:01
Speaker 14: she was taking it out on these little girls because
32:04
Speaker 14: from all the evidence and information that I've collected, it's
32:08
Speaker 14: all based on the girls.
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Speaker 13: So you know, she sold the baby who was a
32:12
Speaker 13: little girl that was just born in March. She starved
32:15
Speaker 13: a re.
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Speaker 1: Reading whoa, whoa, whoa. My head is spinning. What did
32:20
Speaker 1: you just say? She sold a baby.
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Speaker 13: Yes, and CPS just found that baby.
32:25
Speaker 2: When okayhead, that's the newborn baby that was just born
32:28
Speaker 2: in March, So that baby's been sold, yes, but see
32:31
Speaker 2: how much does she get from the baby? From what
32:33
Speaker 2: I heard twenty five k Christina Whyo tell me about
32:37
Speaker 2: the newborn baby girl that just got sold.
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Speaker 6: Well apparently from my investigations online, and none of this
32:43
Speaker 6: has been confirmed yet, but she did have this newborn baby.
32:46
Speaker 6: And according to all person who says that they are
32:49
Speaker 6: a close relative of the family, she did have a
32:52
Speaker 6: newborn baby.
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Speaker 1: It was sold to a couple.
32:54
Speaker 6: So if that is in fact the case, there could
32:57
Speaker 6: be a possibility that Aba Mariican sol Is was also sold,
33:01
Speaker 6: and that's something that will have to be looked into,
33:03
Speaker 6: because it would be my opic of us to think
33:05
Speaker 6: that that possibility isn't out there.
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Speaker 2: You know what, Chrisna Ariyah, I can only hope and
33:11
Speaker 2: pray that she was sold and that she's alive and
33:16
Speaker 2: being treated better than the little seven year old to
33:21
Speaker 2: Leanne Marie, a friend of mom Virginia Gonzalez, why did
33:25
Speaker 2: she sell her baby?
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Speaker 14: I'm guessing financial issues, but at the same time, you know,
33:32
Speaker 14: all the money was going downtown Sixth Street and at
33:34
Speaker 14: the strip clubs. I mean, she was just making it
33:38
Speaker 14: rain with money and buying bottles after bottles and buying
33:41
Speaker 14: everybody buying the bar out. I mean, that's where I
33:43
Speaker 14: seen the money going. I didn't see anything.
33:47
Speaker 13: Else that she had that.
33:49
Speaker 14: I mean, she didn't even have a vehicle, you know
33:50
Speaker 14: what I mean. So, I mean, I think all the
33:52
Speaker 14: money he was just going to party in. I don't
33:54
Speaker 14: think it was ever to just take care of her
33:57
Speaker 14: and the rest of the kids, you know what I mean.
33:59
Speaker 2: I noticed in the party video she's got a Gucci bag.
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Speaker 1: Strapped around her front. Was that a fake? Was that
34:06
Speaker 1: a fruity? A fake Gucci?
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Speaker 14: From my understanding, everything that the police found in her
34:13
Speaker 14: room was everything was name brand. I don't think it
34:17
Speaker 14: was fake, but I do now know that a video
34:22
Speaker 14: was taped back in May a year ago. She would
34:26
Speaker 14: just cover up her stomach. I mean she would, honestly
34:29
Speaker 14: now that I'm thinking, I'm thinking she was trying to
34:31
Speaker 14: hide the pregnancy. Why because she was out there partying,
34:34
Speaker 14: I mean on the boat party, which was in September
34:37
Speaker 14: of twenty twenty four, my birthday. You can see in
34:40
Speaker 14: the video she was kind of closed. She didn't take
34:43
Speaker 14: the whole shot, and I got other, you know, videos
34:45
Speaker 14: of footage of her putting the shots on the side
34:48
Speaker 14: when people weren't watching.
34:50
Speaker 13: So I think she knew she.
34:52
Speaker 14: Was pregnant, but she just didn't want the other the
34:55
Speaker 14: world to know that she was pregnant. So she would
34:58
Speaker 14: literally buy bottles, get everybody drunk, and.
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Speaker 13: I guess what then nobody notices anything.
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Speaker 2: Lan question, did she discuss openly that she was selling
35:08
Speaker 2: the baby?
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Speaker 13: No, no, ma'am.
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Speaker 14: I found that out through the one of the children's families,
35:13
Speaker 14: the ones that I've been speaking with since the very
35:16
Speaker 14: beginning of the case, when it first started getting investigated.
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Speaker 1: Do you know who she sold the baby too?
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Speaker 13: I do not know them personally. I just know that
35:26
Speaker 13: it was a couple.
35:28
Speaker 2: Well, I am, why did she keep having children if
35:30
Speaker 2: she hated them so much.
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Speaker 14: I don't think that she was having the children to
35:35
Speaker 14: you know, just be this mother and to take care
35:38
Speaker 14: of them. I think she was living off the benefits
35:40
Speaker 14: the snap and the EBT and the fathers. I think
35:45
Speaker 14: that was how she would hold some of these men,
35:48
Speaker 14: you know, in her life, because a lot of them
35:51
Speaker 14: didn't deal with the children. They only dealt with her,
35:53
Speaker 14: and a lot of them didn't want the children, they
35:55
Speaker 14: just wanted her. So I think that it was like
35:58
Speaker 14: the kids were like a tool for them. She was
36:02
Speaker 14: you know how they say there's womenizers. I think she
36:05
Speaker 14: was like like that with the men, like where she
36:08
Speaker 14: idolized men.
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Speaker 13: Before her children.
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Speaker 2: Did anyone ever wonder who would be taking care of
36:13
Speaker 2: the children while she's out partying.
36:16
Speaker 14: So from my friendship experience with her, she would come
36:21
Speaker 14: and go. So one minute she was out here popping
36:24
Speaker 14: bottles for about two or three months, and then she'll
36:26
Speaker 14: go ghost for six months a year, and then she'll
36:29
Speaker 14: pop out out of nowhere again. So it wasn't really
36:33
Speaker 14: she was really just screet with the children. Like I said,
36:36
Speaker 14: I only went to her that apartment where they found
36:39
Speaker 14: the child that was starving and the other six children.
36:42
Speaker 13: I only went to that apartment one time, which.
36:44
Speaker 14: Was to go pick her up and she it was clean.
36:49
Speaker 14: It was the fourteen year old was the only one there.
36:51
Speaker 14: I didn't ask because every time I asked about the children,
36:55
Speaker 14: it was that they were with her the grandmother because
36:59
Speaker 14: her baby daddy was you know, crazy after her, So
37:02
Speaker 14: she just left it tete over him so he would
37:04
Speaker 14: be calm, is what she would tell.
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Speaker 2: Us crime stories with Nancy Grace. Now regarding the missing sister,
37:21
Speaker 2: Gonzalez spouts off again in court and says a man
37:24
Speaker 2: named Saul he Menez took Little Ava from her, and
37:29
Speaker 2: the man was the girl's father, but she now claims
37:33
Speaker 2: he was deported back to Mexico before he ment as
37:37
Speaker 2: sister took Little Ava with her to Mexico as well.
37:42
Speaker 2: I only hope and pray that's true. Although Austin police
37:48
Speaker 2: say they are handling Little Ava's disappearance quote as a
37:53
Speaker 2: homicide investigation, adding they quote don't have any evidence she
37:58
Speaker 2: is alive. Gonzales in court reports she did not kill
38:05
Speaker 2: her daughter.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Her bond has been raised to a quarter million dollars.
38:11
Speaker 2: How do people have children over and over and over
38:17
Speaker 2: seven children? We now believe and treat them like this.
38:22
Speaker 2: Has nobody ever heard of a condom? Has nobody ever
38:26
Speaker 2: heard of the birth control pill? Locking the child in
38:31
Speaker 2: the closet and starving her one child already missing, believed
38:34
Speaker 2: to be dead?
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Speaker 1: What more do we know?
38:38
Speaker 2: Aliam Marie is joining us a friend of the ma
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Speaker 2: Virginia Gonzales, so you think that she's having the children
38:44
Speaker 2: in order to get state benefits.
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Speaker 14: I don't think it's just state benefits. I think, like
38:48
Speaker 14: I said, it's more of a tool for the men
38:51
Speaker 14: that she was in love with. I mean, I mean
38:53
Speaker 14: some of them, some of the from what I'm understanding too,
38:55
Speaker 14: is some of the kids. I mean, she don't even
38:57
Speaker 14: know who the fathers is to some of the kids.
38:59
Speaker 14: I mean, she was known for being in the club,
39:02
Speaker 14: you know, with multiple men.
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Speaker 13: So I mean I don't think that she used the
39:06
Speaker 13: children just for the benefits.
39:08
Speaker 14: I think it was just more of tools to keep
39:10
Speaker 14: the men in her life to help benefit her with
39:13
Speaker 14: the money and the pain for this and pain for that.
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Speaker 13: And that's what I think.
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Speaker 2: To Darryl Parker joining me former Lieutenant Fannin County Sheriff's
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Speaker 2: Office at Blackfish Intel dot com, Daryl, how do we
39:27
Speaker 2: go about finding the two missing children. You've got the
39:32
Speaker 2: little girl missing, We've got an AH progress photo of her.
39:36
Speaker 2: You've got her missing. You've got a nine year old
39:39
Speaker 2: boy missing. I believe the little newborn girl that was
39:43
Speaker 2: sold has been recovered, But how do you go about
39:46
Speaker 2: finding the two missing children?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Nancy, I see a lot of parallels
39:50
Speaker 3: between this case and the Kathy Anthony case. And if
39:53
Speaker 3: you recall, the thing that really bogged down that investigation
39:58
Speaker 3: was Kathy Anthony's multiple stories where she gave the police
40:02
Speaker 3: all these different versions of what happened to her child.
40:06
Speaker 3: And so in this case, I think the mom has
40:08
Speaker 3: given them some inconsistent stories. They're going to have to
40:11
Speaker 3: track these down. And this is over a period of
40:14
Speaker 3: time too. Seven years is a lot longer period of
40:17
Speaker 3: time than when Kasey Anthony's child was missing, so it's
40:21
Speaker 3: going to be a lot more difficult for law enforcement
40:23
Speaker 3: to piece that together.
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Speaker 8: But she couldn't have done all this without.
40:27
Speaker 3: Other adults being aware of what was going on, at
40:30
Speaker 3: least collaterally, So I think there are going to be
40:32
Speaker 3: some other collateral witnesses that can help provide some information
40:36
Speaker 3: to try and find the kids.
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Speaker 1: Ron and Blake.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand how the mother can be getting government
40:42
Speaker 2: benefits but they're not in school because the government does
40:48
Speaker 2: know they exist and they're off school age.
40:51
Speaker 1: How does that work?
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Speaker 12: This is not supposed to happen when you hear a
40:55
Speaker 12: story like those. Multiple systems have failed. This mother was
40:59
Speaker 12: purposely not taking her children to school, I'm sure because
41:03
Speaker 12: the teachers would have seen something. She's not taking them
41:06
Speaker 12: to their doctor's appointments because the doctors would have seen something.
41:10
Speaker 12: Bar In Texas, every single adult is a mandatory reporter
41:14
Speaker 12: of child abuse, not just those professionals I mentioned, neighbors,
41:18
Speaker 12: family members. If anyone saw something, it's the law that
41:21
Speaker 12: they had to report it.
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Speaker 1: Christina A Wya, what more do you know?
41:25
Speaker 6: Well, they're the woman who is online identifying as a
41:29
Speaker 6: very close family member.
41:31
Speaker 1: She revealed that the newborn baby was sold.
41:34
Speaker 6: She also is revealing some of the details about what
41:37
Speaker 6: Virginia was telling each one of the family members. It
41:39
Speaker 6: kind of lines up with what Virginia Gonzalez's friend was
41:42
Speaker 6: telling us about the story. She was saying she pitted
41:45
Speaker 6: the two families against each other. She allegedly told one
41:48
Speaker 6: family that the kids were in the care of the
41:50
Speaker 6: other family. Her side of the family told her mom
41:53
Speaker 6: the same thing, vice versa. This woman also claims that
41:56
Speaker 6: the father of three of Virginia Gonzalez's children actually took
42:00
Speaker 6: care of six of the children for two years until
42:03
Speaker 6: he went to jail allegedly back in December, and that's
42:06
Speaker 6: when she's saying that Virginia Gonzalez went and picked up
42:09
Speaker 6: all the kids. She had kept the fourteen with her,
42:11
Speaker 6: fourteen year old with her originally and then went back
42:14
Speaker 6: and picked up all the kids. So that was in December,
42:16
Speaker 6: which means that if she picked up the little seven
42:19
Speaker 6: year old girl who they are calling re Rea in December,
42:23
Speaker 6: then that means that little girl was suffering, most likely
42:26
Speaker 6: six months of abuse before that nine to one one
42:28
Speaker 6: call came in and they discovered her in the closet.
42:30
Speaker 6: So apparently this woman is describing Virginia Gonzalez as very manipulative,
42:34
Speaker 6: and it's crazy because they also say that she didn't
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Speaker 6: allow any of the children to go to school, and
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Speaker 6: there are no records of any of the children being
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Speaker 6: in school. And as for Abram Mari Gonzalez, there's no
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Speaker 6: medical records, there's no legal records. So this is a
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Speaker 6: really convoluted case. And if it's true what they're saying
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Speaker 6: about the baby being sold to a couple, that the
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Speaker 6: possibility of Abram Reganzalez being sold to a couple is
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Speaker 6: there as well, but it might have been sold.
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Speaker 1: The baby might have.
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Speaker 6: Been sold to a more nefarious outfit, which means we
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Speaker 6: could be looking at something concerning child trafficking, which we
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Speaker 6: hope that's not the case. But either way, there's a
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Speaker 6: lot of avenues that investigators need to go down, and
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Speaker 6: there are a lot of leads that they need to investigate.
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Speaker 2: Leam Marie, Now that you realize the extent of what
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Speaker 2: Virginia Gonzales was doing to her children, are you surprised?
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Speaker 13: Very?
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Speaker 14: I'm very shocked. I'm very disbelief. I just I can't
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Speaker 14: believe it. I mean, she put up this image. I
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Speaker 14: would have never, in my rights say to mind thought
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Speaker 14: that she was starving a kid or abusing the children
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Speaker 14: like that.
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Speaker 13: I would have said something.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Angela Arnold.
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Speaker 2: How can you present one facade to the public and
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Speaker 2: live such a dark private life?
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Speaker 9: You know what comes that comes from years and years
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Speaker 9: of abuse, Because people who have been abused learn how
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Speaker 9: to compartmentalize different things in their life. So this woman,
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Speaker 9: because of the purported abuse that she experienced as child,
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Speaker 9: has learned how to contain the different parts of her
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Speaker 9: life and separate them. It all stems from her abuse.
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Speaker 15: Virginia Gonzalez, now facing two federal charges, has rejected a
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Speaker 15: plea offer the state offered Gonzalez a forty year prison
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Speaker 15: sentence in exchange for her guilty plea. She and her
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Speaker 15: attorney Gave Hernandez rejected the offer, calling it utterly absurd.
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Speaker 15: Gonzalez is still in custody. This case is set to
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Speaker 15: go to trial January twenty sixth, twenty twenty six. In
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Speaker 15: the meantime, police are still searching for another of Gonzalez's daughters,
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Speaker 15: Ava Marie Gonzalez. She was two at the time she
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Speaker 15: was last seen in December twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything regarding these
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Speaker 2: missing children, please dial five one two five seven two
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Speaker 2: eight four seven seven repeat five one two five seven
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Speaker 2: two eight four seven seven.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend.
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Speaker 8: Thanks