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Speaker 1: Love from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. The ceasefire in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's confronting threats are followed by Iran suing for peace.
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Speaker 2: A dramatic day positive signs. I'll get analysis from Tom
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Speaker 2: Switzer and Australian Iranian advocate Tina Kurdastrami. Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 2: to remain in custody at least till Friday week when
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Speaker 2: he'll front court for a bail hearing. Pauline Hansen joins
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Speaker 2: me live the controversial anti Israel academic Randa abdel Fata
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Speaker 2: and how she's spending a nine hundred thousand dollars study grant.
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Speaker 2: Also Matt Canavan's plea for Australia to exploit its energy riches, s,
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Speaker 2: the kraku on youth gangs in the UK, and the
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Speaker 2: Wednesday wrangle with Denika and James Bolt.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: We talked last night about Donald Trump's extraordinary threats and
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Speaker 2: the next twenty four hours being pivotal as he ramped
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Speaker 2: it up to an even higher level of a night.
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Speaker 2: Many people around the world, including in Australia, this morning
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Speaker 2: viewed the President's looming deadline with dread, and then around
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Speaker 2: eight thirty this morning our time, six thirty Tuesday evening
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Speaker 2: on the US East Coast, Trump took to social media
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Speaker 2: to announce a breakthrough.
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Speaker 1: Here is how it was reported on ABC America.
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Speaker 3: We do begin tonight with the breaking news President Trump
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Speaker 3: revealing just a short time ago that he has now
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Speaker 3: agreed to a two week ceasefire in the war in Iran.
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Speaker 3: The President now says it all depends on Iran now
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Speaker 3: agreeing to the complete and immediate opening of the Strait
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Speaker 3: of Hormuz. President Trump had threatened Iran that a quote
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Speaker 3: whole civilization will die tonight if they did not agree
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Speaker 3: to opening the strait. So tonight here Iran's response. But
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Speaker 3: we begin with Mary Bruce and the breaking news from
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Speaker 3: the White.
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Speaker 4: House tonight, ninety minutes before his deadline, President Trump announcing
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Speaker 4: he has agreed to suspend the bombing and attack of
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Speaker 4: Iran for a period of two weeks. He says his
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Speaker 4: decision would depend on Iran agreeing to the complete, immediate
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Speaker 4: and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz. About an
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Speaker 4: hour later, Iran announcing it had agreed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you heard, the ceasefires due to the last two weeks,
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Speaker 2: while a permanent settlement is negotiated, and Iran has undertaken
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Speaker 2: to open.
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Speaker 1: The Strait of Umus to shipping.
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Speaker 2: So all in all, with much left to unfold, it
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Speaker 2: appears to be a significant win for Trump and for
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Speaker 2: Middle East security and the global economy.
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Speaker 1: We're all used to Trump's wild rhetoric.
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Speaker 2: And we all knew he was attempting to threaten Iran
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Speaker 2: into accepting a deal. But still the words used by
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Speaker 2: the President, the leader of the free world, yesterday, well
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Speaker 2: they were shocking.
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Speaker 4: The president's extraordinary threat that a whole civilization will die
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Speaker 4: tonight condemned in Rome by the first American pope at tax.
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Speaker 5: On civilian infrastructure is against international law, but that it
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Speaker 5: is also a sign of the hatred of the division,
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Speaker 5: the destruction that the human being is capable.
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Speaker 4: Of, and here at home by dozens of Democratic lawmakers.
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Speaker 1: Dald Trump just said that the entire civilization of Iran
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Speaker 1: is going to die tonight. I Iran doesn't reopen the
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Speaker 1: strait of for Who's that is pure evil? Pure evil?
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Speaker 2: Well, inflammatory words, yes, but wouldn't pure evil be to
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Speaker 2: actually attack civilians threatening to attack civilians is offensively undiplomatic,
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Speaker 2: it's beneath the standing of a US president, and it's
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Speaker 2: a wild rhetorical escalation, But it doesn't go close to
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Speaker 2: the actual deeds of Iran, which has slaughtered tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands of its own people who have dared to dissent,
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Speaker 2: and in this war, Iran has deliberately attacked Israel rockets
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Speaker 2: and missiles fired into civilian areas with the aim of
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Speaker 2: creating maximum civilian casualties. That is pure evil, so is
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Speaker 2: launching rockets and drones into neighboring golf states. The criticism
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Speaker 2: by the Pope and others of Trump's words would be
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Speaker 2: more telling if that had been preceded by strong condemnation
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Speaker 2: of the evil actions of Iran. But that's one of
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Speaker 2: the problems with Trump's crazy rehtoric. It demeans America's aims,
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Speaker 2: and it allows his critics to try to put him
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Speaker 2: in the same a moral universe as the evil zealots
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Speaker 2: running Iran. Unsurprisingly, it's even disturbed Iranian people who oppose
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Speaker 2: their regime.
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Speaker 4: Fatima, an engineer, telling us I am against the regime
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Speaker 4: and I want them gone with every cell of my body.
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Speaker 4: But by no means, do I agree with a foreign
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Speaker 4: power destroying what has been built by my people, for
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Speaker 4: my people and for the future of our children.
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Speaker 2: Even our own taxpayer fund at ABC has managed to
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Speaker 2: get accounts from Iranians inside Iran, including information that highlights
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Speaker 2: the barbarity of its Islamist regime.
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Speaker 6: I've received a pretty chilling message from contact inside Iran.
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Speaker 7: Get hanged guns to children.
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Speaker 6: She's confirming reports I've been hearing that kids as young
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Speaker 6: as twelve are being recruited by Iran security forces as
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Speaker 6: child soldiers.
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Speaker 8: The regime is very scared now it's weakened, its forces
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Speaker 8: are exhausted.
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Speaker 2: But the ABC reports also contained understandable fears about what
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Speaker 2: Trump had been threatening.
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Speaker 9: People in major cities are so scared after hearing the
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Speaker 9: spread by Trump. Having no electricity, no water in the taps,
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Speaker 9: no gas in the gas stations will be intolerable, and
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Speaker 9: people are already thinking what would the point of Trump
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Speaker 9: be by doing so? If Trump ever takes such a
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Speaker 9: brazen action, who would make Iranian people head the US
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Speaker 9: for longer than the end of Trump's presidential term.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's now a relief, of course, that this hasn't happened,
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Speaker 2: and As news of the ceasefire broke late at night
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Speaker 2: in Iran, the relief was obvious, and while the good
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Speaker 2: news of a ceasefire was welcomed around the world, the
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Speaker 2: Trump retoric still was not.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanez he is always weak.
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Speaker 2: On international relations and standing up to Islamist extremists. Sure,
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Speaker 2: but it's hard to disagree with him on this.
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Speaker 10: I don't think it's appropriate to use language such as
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Speaker 10: that from the President of the United States, and I
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Speaker 10: think it will cause some concern.
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Speaker 1: Which is there.
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Speaker 2: Trump, no doubt will say that his threatening words helped
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Speaker 2: to deliver the ceasefire and therefore saved lives rather than
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Speaker 2: risk them, and to be fair, the way events played out,
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Speaker 2: this appears.
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Speaker 1: To be the case.
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Speaker 2: But for a leader who has been prone to complaining
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Speaker 2: about a lack of support from allies, he needs to
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Speaker 2: comprehend that his feral language and volatile tactics make it
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Speaker 2: extremely difficult for US allies to endorse his actions and
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Speaker 2: offer support. They don't know what he'll say or do next.
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt this strategic unpredictability has its benefits. It
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Speaker 2: frightens despots like the Iranian Mullers and Vladimir Putin, but
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Speaker 2: it also isolates the US from its allies, even when
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Speaker 2: the US, along with Israel, is conducting a war against
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Speaker 2: an evil and threatening nation, a war whose outcome now
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Speaker 2: has enormous potential to make the Middle East more secure
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Speaker 2: than it has been for decades, thereby bolstering global economic
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Speaker 2: and strategic security.
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Speaker 1: And true to form, Trump was back on social.
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Speaker 2: Media later today, again with overstatement, this time in the
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Speaker 2: other direction. Now it was a big day for world peace.
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Speaker 2: Iran has had enough. The US will help with its
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Speaker 2: shipping traffic in the Strait of Humuz, Lots of positive action,
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Speaker 2: big money to be made. Iran can start reconstruction, and
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Speaker 2: the US will help as well as hang around to
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Speaker 2: make sure all goes well.
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Speaker 1: And Trump says he's.
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Speaker 2: Confident that just like they're experiencing in the US, this
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Speaker 2: could be the golden age for the Middle East. Wow,
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Speaker 2: from ending Iran's civilization that's existed for millennia to Iran
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Speaker 2: being at the center of a golden age in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East or within OUs a matter of hours. You
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Speaker 2: could get whiplash following this stuff. But for all the
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Speaker 2: questions remaining, the news is absolutely positive.
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Speaker 1: Today.
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Speaker 2: Trump's unconventional and polarizing tactics backed up by overwhelming military power,
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Speaker 2: seemed to have won the day, and if this peace
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Speaker 2: deal holds, the region will indeed be much safer than
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Speaker 2: it's been for decades. The other major story today in
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Speaker 2: this country is, of course, the fate of Victoria Cross recipient,
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Speaker 2: former Chair of the Australia Day Council, former Father of
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Speaker 2: the Year and national war hero Ben Roberts Smith, charged
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Speaker 2: yesterday with five counts of war crimes, five alleged murders
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Speaker 2: dating back to the Afghanistan War seventeen years ago. Robert
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Speaker 2: Smith was arrested sensationally yesterday. He spent the night in
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Speaker 2: custody and was expected.
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Speaker 1: To apply for bail today. That didn't happen. Here is
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Speaker 1: Channel seven.
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Speaker 11: Ben Robert Smith will remain in custody with no bid
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Speaker 11: for bail put before the court this morning. The famed
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Speaker 11: veteran and Victoria Cross recipient was charged with five war
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Speaker 11: crimes late yesterday following his arrest at Sydney Airport, taken
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Speaker 11: into custody as he stepped off a flight from Brisbane
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Speaker 11: before being transported here to silver Water.
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Speaker 2: Many people have spoken out on this. I know many
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Speaker 2: of you have strong opinions, a lot of which we
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Speaker 2: can't share because we need to respect the judicial processes
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Speaker 2: and not do anything to prejudice any trial.
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Speaker 1: As I showed you last night.
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Speaker 2: Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott has shared considered reservations about
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Speaker 2: the process, as did the Special Air Service Association's Martin
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Speaker 2: Hamilton Smith and Pauline Hansen, who I'll speak to shortly,
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Speaker 2: has emphatically backed the former, says corporal, but the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister has added nothing today.
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Speaker 10: It's important that this not being politicized and I have
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Speaker 10: no intention of commenting on what is a legal process.
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Speaker 2: I think it's worth noting that the Australian Federal Police
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Speaker 2: seemed to want to make a big play of this.
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Speaker 2: They could have arrested Robert Smith anywhere anytime, at his home,
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Speaker 2: at his work, They could have asked him to come
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Speaker 2: in for an interview, but they chose to make a
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Speaker 2: public arrest at the nation's busiest airport, and they filmed it,
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Speaker 2: supplying the pictures to the media.
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Speaker 12: The way been Robert Smith, Victoria Cross recipient was paraded
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Speaker 12: yesterday and media were given the tip off about his arrest.
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Speaker 12: His arrest in front of his family was nothing short
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Speaker 12: of a national disgrace.
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Speaker 2: So this difficult matter is no longer in the hands
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Speaker 2: of the police but in the hands of the courts.
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Speaker 11: The matter has been stood down until June four, but
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Speaker 11: lawyers could apply for an emergency bail hearing as soon
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Speaker 11: as later today, and.
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Speaker 1: Earlier this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: A bail hearing was set down for next Friday, the
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Speaker 2: seventeenth of April, so Ben Robert Smith will remain in
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Speaker 2: custody at least until then. He must be accorded the
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Speaker 2: presumption of innocence. Of course, these are most serious charges
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Speaker 2: and they normally bail might not be available, but these
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Speaker 2: allegations have been hanging over Robert Smith for many years now,
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Speaker 2: and the pre trial and the trial processes could also
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Speaker 2: drag on. So without bail he could face an extended
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Speaker 2: period in custody before.
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Speaker 1: A verdict has even been reached.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson. Now he
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Speaker 2: joins me in Brisbane. Pauline, thanks for joining us again.
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Speaker 2: I've noted your comments about Ben Robert Smith. You made
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Speaker 2: a statement yesterday told me why you are so keen
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Speaker 2: to support him publicly when we're yet to see what
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Speaker 2: plays out in a criminal trial.
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Speaker 13: To me, Ben Robert Smith is the highly decorated war
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Speaker 13: hero and he will always be that highly decorated war hero.
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Speaker 13: To me, I think it's disgusting the way he was
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Speaker 13: arrested on the tarmac or taken off the plane in
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Speaker 13: that that way it was filmed, released to the media.
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Speaker 13: His twin daughters were hysterical on the plane. He's you know,
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Speaker 13: apparently he said to the police any time, if you
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Speaker 13: need me to come in, I will come in. He
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Speaker 13: was cooperative with them. And this has been seventeen years,
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Speaker 13: as you said, Chris, seventeen years, a cost of three
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Speaker 13: hundred million dollars. And you know, we don't look after
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Speaker 13: our veterans, and that's been very evident, and I've dealt
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Speaker 13: with it over the years. That have been politics. We
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Speaker 13: lead them, you know, in situations where they come back
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Speaker 13: with PDSD, they have health issues, they have you know,
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Speaker 13: psychological issues, and yet we've spent three hundred million dollars
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Speaker 13: to pursue this man. I think it's discussing what it's
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Speaker 13: been handled, and I just feel it's a witch hunt.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I will Paul stay with us on this.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people would agree with much of what
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Speaker 2: you've said, and I think there's no doubt that Ben
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Speaker 2: Robert Smith was a war hero remains a war hero.
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Speaker 2: But there are serious charges now and the courts will
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Speaker 2: have to address them in their proper way. I just
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Speaker 2: want to share with you a statement that's being put
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Speaker 2: out this afternoon by former Prime Minister John Howard.
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Speaker 1: I'll try and get through this quickly.
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Speaker 2: He said that the arrest of Ben Robert Smith will
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Speaker 2: tug at the heartstrings of millions of Australians, noting he's
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Speaker 2: the most decorated Australian serviceman alive and that he's the
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Speaker 2: modern personification of the Anzac tradition. He goes on to
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Speaker 2: say that Robert Smith is entitled to the presumption of
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Speaker 2: innocence and Australians will expect that this trial is conducted
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Speaker 2: according to the best traditions of our justice system and importantly,
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Speaker 2: as expeditiously as possible. Now, Ben Robert Smith, says John Howard,
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Speaker 2: is better known than most among the countless thousands of
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Speaker 2: men and women who have served in the ADF and
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Speaker 2: for years as Prime Minister, it was mister Howard's privilege
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Speaker 2: to meet many of them as a cohort of men
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Speaker 2: and women. They are deeply impressive and their welfare has
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Speaker 2: remained in mister Howard's prayers.
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Speaker 1: John Howard says.
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Speaker 2: Our nation has been fortunate and having the enduring commitment
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Speaker 2: of so many willing to devote their lives to the
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Speaker 2: defense of Australian values, usually in circumstances beyond both the
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Speaker 2: comprehension and experience of Australians living in ordinary civilian life.
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Speaker 2: One of those core values, he notes, is the rule
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Speaker 2: of law. This requires the fair trial of any accused persons.
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Speaker 2: Fundamental to the operation of the rule of law is
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Speaker 2: that no man or woman is above or beyond its reach.
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Speaker 2: This is a difficult issue for many, sums up mister Howard,
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Speaker 2: as it tests the limits not only of our respect
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Speaker 2: for Australian values, but the deep and special reverence we
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Speaker 2: have for those who put their lives on the line
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Speaker 2: to keep us safe. That's from John Howard today. Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson your reaction to those comments.
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Speaker 13: Look, they're great words, really good. You know, we train
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Speaker 13: these men to go to war and we don't know
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Speaker 13: what's going to happen. We don't wear their shoes, we
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Speaker 13: don't know the circumstances that happens over there. But when
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Speaker 13: you know people come back and they faced with these
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Speaker 13: war crimes, I think that it's going to send a
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Speaker 13: clear message to a lot of these defense personnel, why bother,
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Speaker 13: why go and train for this? And then when we
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Speaker 13: put before you know, war itself, how are we supposed
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Speaker 13: to react and what are we supposed to do? Can
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Speaker 13: we save ourselves? So save our own men and women
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Speaker 13: that are fighting beside us. It is a real predicament
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Speaker 13: that men and women, and I know for a fact
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Speaker 13: former and current serving sas service personnel are angry about this,
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Speaker 13: and they're backing him one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: Autralians are, There's no doubt about it, and many of
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Speaker 2: them are contacting us as well as yourself.
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Speaker 1: I do just want to use the last bit of time.
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Speaker 2: I have with you to move on to another issue,
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Speaker 2: because I thought Matt Canavan's address to the National Press
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Speaker 2: Club was pretty strong, especially what he had to say
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Speaker 2: about how this country needs to exploit its energy resources.
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Speaker 14: Have a look so to recapture our sovereign capability. We've
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Speaker 14: got to end this net zero madness. We've got to
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Speaker 14: invest again in all types of energy, including coal, and
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Speaker 14: oil and gas and nuclear.
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Speaker 1: He's spot on, isn't he. Pauline, Well, it's wonderful.
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Speaker 13: But they say they're going to get out of the
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Speaker 13: net zero but they're still signed up to the Paris
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Speaker 13: Agreement under the Coalish and government. You know these things
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Speaker 13: that I've been saying for years, right from day dot.
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Speaker 13: So Matt Canvan has just had the shining light shine
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Speaker 13: on him. How's he going to go in the cabinet
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Speaker 13: because with the Liberal Party he's Collish and partners are
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Speaker 13: going to shut him down. So how much authority is
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Speaker 13: Matt Canavan going to have in making that happen?
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Speaker 2: We will see Pauline to be fair to Mat Canavan
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Speaker 2: will to be fair to Matt cannab And I think
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Speaker 2: he's been saying this all along and it's part of
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Speaker 2: the reason he's been outside of shadow cabinet. But now
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Speaker 2: he's the leader of the National or Central.
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Speaker 13: He was Resources Minister at one time there, Chris and
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Speaker 13: I tell you, and that's why the Northern Deva was
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Speaker 13: shut down off Darwin many years ago under Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 13: Ask him about that one I.
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Speaker 1: Will, indeed I get the chance.
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Speaker 2: But he did his time on the back bench he's
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Speaker 2: back now and he's saying the same sorts of things
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Speaker 2: that you've been saying for quite a while on this issue.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. I appreciate it, Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 2: They're live from Brisbane. I want to welcome Tom Switzer
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Speaker 2: on the desk here. Tom, great to talk to you again.
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Speaker 2: We've got to go straight to the Middle East again.
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Speaker 2: You and I have been talking about it for weeks.
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Speaker 2: This ceasefire, two weeks the straightforl Moose opened.
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Speaker 1: Can it hold?
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Speaker 15: Well?
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Speaker 7: We'll find out in two weeks time, I suppose. But look,
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Speaker 7: there's a palpable sense of relief across the region because
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Speaker 7: the alternative would have been catastrophic. I mean, if Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump followed up his threats and carpet bombed the Iranian
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Speaker 7: infrastruct civilian infrastructure as well as the power plants, that
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Speaker 7: would have ignited a regional war and set the global
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Speaker 7: economy into recession.
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Speaker 1: So this is the trouble with Trump, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Because I don't think there's anybody in the world that
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Speaker 2: actually thinks he would have followed through on that threat.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's wild as critics pretend he would, But
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Speaker 2: there's no way known that the American military was going
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Speaker 2: to go out there and bomb all their power stations
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Speaker 2: and bridges. We might have seen an escalation and military
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Speaker 2: targets presumably, but it just seems so far fetched this
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Speaker 2: retric from Donald Trump. Now, he will argue it's worked
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Speaker 2: because there's a ceasefire now, but it's so difficult for
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Speaker 2: any allies to get out on board when this is the.
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Speaker 1: Sort of retric that's put about.
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Speaker 7: He's incapable of understatement, to put it mildly and belode.
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Speaker 7: The problem is is that words are bullets, and it's
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Speaker 7: the credibility in the prestige of the United States, and
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Speaker 7: they're not negligible assets. That's what suffered in this episode.
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Speaker 7: And if you lack credibility in prestige or it's reduced considerably,
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Speaker 7: as it has been during this crisis, it sends all
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Speaker 7: sorts of singles to your allies and your adversaries that
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Speaker 7: your legitimacy is waning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm critical of Anthony Albernezi for not locking
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Speaker 2: on strongly enough to American actions, right, But the counter
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Speaker 2: argument to that is you lock onto this president at
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Speaker 2: this moment and you don't know what you've locked on.
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Speaker 1: To the next day. It's extraordinarily difficult.
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Speaker 2: You talk about this propensity for overstatement, Well, he's gone
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty degrees over about twelve hours because
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Speaker 2: now he's talking about a run being part of a
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Speaker 2: new golden age in the Middle East.
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Speaker 7: My sense is that a lot of his neo conservative supporters,
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Speaker 7: like the Wall Street Journal editorial page Brett Stevens from
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Speaker 7: the New York Times have been a past guest on
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Speaker 7: your program, that'll be critical because they're saying the difference
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Speaker 7: between Trump and his predecessors is that he will finish
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Speaker 7: the job. The Coldhart reality is that at this stage
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Speaker 7: the Iranian regime, the Islamic Republic, looks likely to survive.
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Speaker 7: It looks likely to keep its Uranian enrichment program.
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Speaker 2: These are the key points I want to step through
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Speaker 2: with you first.
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Speaker 1: First up, it.
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Speaker 2: Is the same regime he describes it. Trump that is
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Speaker 2: described it as a new, more moderate regime. But it's
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Speaker 2: the same people in charge, effectively, just another generation of them.
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Speaker 1: Well, they've been battered in Brews.
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Speaker 7: I don't think we should underestimate these fact that they
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Speaker 7: have taken a bit.
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Speaker 1: Our GC and it's the religious leaders.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the Iraq War led to the downfall
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Speaker 7: of Saddam Hussein's regime. This may well even enhance the
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Speaker 7: authority of the regime because none of Trump's conditions have
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Speaker 7: been met by the Iranians. And moreover, the Iranians can
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Speaker 7: claim with some justification that they have more leverage now
21:40
Speaker 7: with respect to the Strait of holl Moves that they
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Speaker 7: didn't have before February twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: Well, they've found out, yeah, just how much leverage they've
21:47
Speaker 2: had there, because they've used it and seen what it's
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Speaker 2: done in terms of global pressure. But surely their military
21:53
Speaker 2: has been vastly depleted, decimated in fact, so on a
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Speaker 2: couple of fronts. It's direct through to Israel is diminished,
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Speaker 2: it's direct threat, its capability to export terrorism in the
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Speaker 2: region surely is diminished. Those things not wiped out, but
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Speaker 2: severely diminished. The key point, as you say, is the
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Speaker 2: heavily and rich uranium they have and whether any peace
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Speaker 2: deal would require that being handed over, not necessarily to
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Speaker 2: the US, but to the international agents.
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Speaker 7: The problem is that Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanya, who
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Speaker 7: last June made all of your points, they said that
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Speaker 7: Iran was severely degraded. After the so called Twelve Day War.
22:35
Speaker 7: They went back into negotiations in February, and during negotiations
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Speaker 7: the United States struck at Iran. So the Iranians during
22:43
Speaker 7: the next fortnite will be less likely to trust the
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Speaker 7: Americans because they still might be bombed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they've ever trusted the Americans, nor
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Speaker 2: will they ever.
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Speaker 7: In negotiations to get to some kind of meaningful peace settlement.
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Speaker 7: And the problem is, well, the objectives of the Americans
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Speaker 7: and the Uranians is that their goals are fundamentally incompatible.
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Speaker 2: Exactly so to get any sense of victors, of sustainable
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Speaker 2: victory for stability in the region without the regime falling,
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Speaker 2: surely the US needs to get its hands on that
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Speaker 2: enriched uranium and that nuclear weapons program needs to be
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Speaker 2: null and void.
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Speaker 7: The two main goals are regime change and ending their
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Speaker 7: nuclear program, and at this stage neither goal has been met.
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Speaker 7: Now my sense is that Donald Trump has recognized he
23:36
Speaker 7: is in more trouble than he anticipated. He thought a
23:38
Speaker 7: quick hit would bring down the regime in late February
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Speaker 7: early March, but it's dragged on now into April, and
23:44
Speaker 7: I think he just wants out because the longer this
23:46
Speaker 7: war goes on, the more it's going to hurt the Republicans'
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Speaker 7: chances in the midterm elections in November.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks for joining us, Tom Pleasure, Tom Switzer that
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Speaker 2: you can read stuff.
23:57
Speaker 1: In the Australian as well. We're going to get to
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Speaker 1: a break on.
23:59
Speaker 2: The other we're going to have a look at the
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Speaker 2: controversial anti Israel academic Runder Abdelphutter and how she's spending
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Speaker 2: nine hundred thousand dollars worth of study grant. Now, let's
24:16
Speaker 2: talk about the controversial anti Israel academic Runder abdel Phutter.
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Speaker 2: You'll recall, less than twenty four hours after Hamas's October
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Speaker 2: the seventh atrocities against Israel, she posted an image of
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Speaker 2: a paraglider in the colors of the Palestinian flag, seemingly
24:33
Speaker 2: celebrating the slaughter of innocent Israelis. She also led children
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Speaker 2: in hatefield charts at an excursion to the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: encampment at Sydney University.
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Speaker 3: Have a look, Dada, we're back to this parastize.
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Speaker 15: The sea Palasigne goll be free.
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Speaker 2: And earlier this year she was invited and then ditched
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Speaker 2: as a keynote speaker at the Adelaide Writers' Festival, leading
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Speaker 2: to a mass boycott and canning of the event. Well,
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Speaker 2: now The Australian has been doing some digging on a
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Speaker 2: nine hundred thousand dollars taxpayer grant that she received and
25:17
Speaker 2: how the money is being spent for more, I'm joined
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Speaker 2: by the Papers Education editor Natasha Beta. Natasha, thanks for
25:24
Speaker 2: joining us. Congratulations on this investigation. Tell our viewers what
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Speaker 2: on earth Randa abtev Fatta is doing with nine hundred
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Speaker 2: nine hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 15: Well, hi, Christopher Starters.
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Speaker 16: It pays a salary that's one hundred and sixty five
25:42
Speaker 16: thousand dollars over four years. She's got a research assistant
25:45
Speaker 16: to help monitor people's social media site. That's another forty
25:49
Speaker 16: seven thousand a year. There were six thousand dollars for
25:54
Speaker 16: some international guests to come over to celebrate the thirtieth
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Speaker 16: anniversary of a player bally dancing.
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Speaker 15: But it goes on. It's meant to be a research.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but studying.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, there's a bit of a delay there, Natasha, Sorry
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Speaker 2: to cut you off.
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Speaker 1: But what's she researching?
26:13
Speaker 2: I mean, what is she doing spending all this money
26:15
Speaker 2: on that's going to benefit all of us. Isn't she
26:17
Speaker 2: sort of researching her own style of pro Palestinian anti
26:21
Speaker 2: Israeli activism.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's very difficult to comprehend the documents because there's
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Speaker 16: so much jargon and gobbledegoog in it. Honestly, I've seen
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Speaker 16: the words diaspora activism. I would argue that the last
26:38
Speaker 16: thing Australian needs at the moment is more diaspora activism.
26:41
Speaker 16: I think we need social cohesion. Officially, it's to look
26:45
Speaker 16: at the hidden history of Muslim Arab social movement since
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Speaker 16: the nineteen seventies. But there's been an investigation into this grant.
26:57
Speaker 16: It was frozen for ten months. Asked a simple question
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Speaker 16: when she went to that protest with the children chanting
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Speaker 16: that hateful speech, was she there for work or in
27:08
Speaker 16: her own capacity? And even there was no straight answer
27:11
Speaker 16: there and in the end Macquarie.
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Speaker 15: University said she was there for both. So taxpayer's money
27:16
Speaker 15: was definitely.
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Speaker 2: Taxpayers money to get involved in a protest like that
27:20
Speaker 2: kid's chanting for interfata. It's important, as you point out,
27:23
Speaker 2: there was an investigation into this grant and.
27:26
Speaker 1: It was given a tick off that it was all appropriate,
27:28
Speaker 1: But when.
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Speaker 2: You talk about that idea of diaspora activism, that is
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Speaker 2: a terrible thing that is working against social cohesion in
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Speaker 2: this country. This is what we've seen for the last
27:39
Speaker 2: couple of years of pro Palestine and anti Israeli protests
27:44
Speaker 2: that have often ventured into director anti Semitism, and we've
27:47
Speaker 2: seen all sorts of violence and the like in this
27:50
Speaker 2: country that is linked to diaspora activism. I would argue, now,
27:55
Speaker 2: you've been very fair in your coverage because you've shown
27:58
Speaker 2: assessments of the post study, and one of them on
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Speaker 2: one side flags that is is a great project, a
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Speaker 2: brilliant idea, but another scoff said it and says it's
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Speaker 2: not up scratch.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, there were two peer assessors, so there are and
28:15
Speaker 16: they will always be anonymous. The ARC will not say
28:19
Speaker 16: who reviewed it. So we had Assessa a brilliant project.
28:22
Speaker 16: We need more, We need more academics like Randa and
28:27
Speaker 16: assessor B saying this is problematic. You know, she's not
28:32
Speaker 16: immersed enough in previous studies, she's not integrated with other research, etcetera.
28:38
Speaker 15: So to be fair to her, she.
28:41
Speaker 16: Was very upfront in telling the ARC, I am a
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Speaker 16: scholar activist. So my question is where was the arc
28:48
Speaker 16: in saying, well, we don't want scholar activists, we want scholars.
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Speaker 1: Who are well, this is my point.
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Speaker 2: You know, while I disagree with her view and I
28:58
Speaker 2: hate the division it sparks, She's free to have our views.
29:01
Speaker 2: The scandal here is taxpayers money being spent on mindless
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Speaker 2: academic studies and activism, and I think that's what most
29:09
Speaker 2: taxpayers ought to be worried about it. I just want
29:12
Speaker 2: to give people an idea via the videos that you've
29:15
Speaker 2: published on the Australian, an idea of how this horrible
29:20
Speaker 2: lack of social cohesion, how this horrible activism is fated
29:24
Speaker 2: in our universities. Listened to Randa Abdulphata speaking here and to.
29:30
Speaker 11: The middle of Black Fisma system.
29:32
Speaker 2: There are rules, there are ambitions and metrics.
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Speaker 14: I'm over system cannot be reformed.
29:36
Speaker 15: It is thoroughly rotten. I have seen the end point
29:40
Speaker 15: of the system, what it means to reach the peak
29:42
Speaker 15: of an academic career, and.
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Speaker 16: That usually means somebody who did a lots of books
29:46
Speaker 16: about genocide but will not sign a statement against the genocide.
29:50
Speaker 15: And I want no part of that.
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Speaker 1: So there she is.
29:53
Speaker 2: Unless you call what's happening in the Middle East genocide,
29:56
Speaker 2: you're a white supremacist, according to this academic. But listen
30:01
Speaker 2: to the award they give her, making.
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Speaker 12: The most social Media award the individuals or groups who've
30:09
Speaker 12: innovatively use social media as an anti racist strategy.
30:15
Speaker 7: So this one goes to Randa.
30:17
Speaker 2: Undeveloped ex Extraordinary Natasha an award for anti racism on
30:28
Speaker 2: social media when she's showing the Hamas terrorists flying in
30:32
Speaker 2: the kill innocence in Israel and she's preaching all sorts
30:36
Speaker 2: of hatred against Zionists.
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Speaker 16: She has also used her social media to say May
30:43
Speaker 16: twenty twenty five, bring the end of Israel. Now, can
30:45
Speaker 16: I also point out it's interesting she's also a novelist,
30:49
Speaker 16: so she writes children's books and young adult fiction and
30:52
Speaker 16: what I would classify as romance.
30:54
Speaker 15: Books, so you know, one is called no Sex in
30:57
Speaker 15: the City.
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Speaker 16: She cited these books as research output in her grant application,
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Speaker 16: so the ARC included fiction books for children as academic research.
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Speaker 2: Good Lord, thanks sir, thanks so much Natasha for bringing
31:14
Speaker 2: this outrage to everybody's attention.
31:16
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
31:17
Speaker 2: Natasha Beata, who's the Education editor at The Australian. That's
31:21
Speaker 2: your tax dollars funding this croc. It's just a shocker.
31:27
Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, I'll cross to Esther
31:29
Speaker 2: Craiku in the UK to get the latest on.
31:31
Speaker 1: Youth gangs running a mark in London.
31:39
Speaker 2: Back to the top story in the world today, and
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Speaker 2: as I showed you earlier, Iranians have been seen celebrating
31:45
Speaker 2: in the streets after the US and Iran have agreed
31:48
Speaker 2: to a two week ceasefire, during which they'll seek to
31:51
Speaker 2: negotiate a lasting peace. For now, the fighting has stopped
31:56
Speaker 2: and the threats from Donald Trump about destroying around civilization
32:00
Speaker 2: have been replaced by promises to rebuild Iran and asha
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Speaker 2: in a golden age.
32:05
Speaker 1: For the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Joining me again is Tina called Astrami, an an Iranian
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Speaker 2: Australian human rights advocate and she's also a counselor with
32:13
Speaker 2: the RIDE Council here in Sydney. Good to speak to
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Speaker 2: you again, Tina. What's your reaction to this cease fire?
32:19
Speaker 1: Is it hopeful? Will it hold?
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Speaker 17: I wouldn't use the word hopeful, and the reason why
32:25
Speaker 17: is because any negotiation with this regime of any sort
32:28
Speaker 17: is never hopeful. What they're asking for is so much power,
32:33
Speaker 17: power that will cause nothing but destruction for everyone, not
32:36
Speaker 17: just Iranians. Of course, we don't want to see a
32:41
Speaker 17: war take place. We don't want to see these depths,
32:43
Speaker 17: We don't want to see innocent lives being lost. However,
32:48
Speaker 17: the approach to this is fire is it's not acceptable
32:51
Speaker 17: by any means.
32:52
Speaker 2: There's no word about the nuclear program, there's no word
32:56
Speaker 2: about the enriched uranium, no word about sponsoring of terrorism
33:02
Speaker 2: or even the crashing of dissidence in Iran.
33:04
Speaker 1: So there are many questions left to be answered.
33:07
Speaker 2: But when you see that vision of people celebrating on
33:10
Speaker 2: the streets of Iran, do you see regime supporters or
33:14
Speaker 2: do you see people in a performative.
33:17
Speaker 1: Display or do you see genuine relief.
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Speaker 17: Let's be clear, any support that there is towards the
33:24
Speaker 17: regime is of a very small minority within the country,
33:27
Speaker 17: and this fees into this propaganda that's been spread by
33:30
Speaker 17: the regime. What's happening is that people Iranians, both within
33:35
Speaker 17: a diasporam within Iran, they don't see any hope for
33:39
Speaker 17: the removal of the regime but destruction. We shouldn't be
33:42
Speaker 17: questioning them as to why they believe this is the case.
33:45
Speaker 17: We need to be questioning the political leadership that has
33:48
Speaker 17: allowed for this to happen. They have limited the conversation
33:51
Speaker 17: to destruction only the regime itself. It talks about martyrdom
33:56
Speaker 17: as the only way forward regarding the freedom of the country.
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Speaker 17: So this is what the people within a Ruana operating with.
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Speaker 1: We've had some messages directly out of around through the
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Speaker 1: media in the last twenty four hours. We've heard about
34:09
Speaker 1: children being armed to join the war.
34:12
Speaker 2: We've also heard about people who oppose the regime still
34:16
Speaker 2: very worried about what Donald Trump and America might do
34:18
Speaker 2: because of those volatile threats. Have you had any contact
34:24
Speaker 2: from inside around what can you tell us about the
34:27
Speaker 2: views and the fears there.
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Speaker 17: The contact I have had is very similar to what
34:33
Speaker 17: everyone in the diaspora is hearing back from their friends
34:35
Speaker 17: and family, which is, we are willing to lose our
34:38
Speaker 17: lives just so that this regime can be removed. And
34:43
Speaker 17: they don't say this lightly, and we don't broadcast this
34:46
Speaker 17: lightly either. I made sure that I received this information
34:49
Speaker 17: from quite a number of people distributed throughout the country
34:53
Speaker 17: in different locations before I came here and you shared
34:56
Speaker 17: this information with But.
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Speaker 1: How can they make the regime full?
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Speaker 15: Well, that's the thing.
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Speaker 17: The civilians cannot make the regime for they've been trying
35:05
Speaker 17: for forty seven years to remove this regime and that
35:09
Speaker 17: is why the only option they see going forward is destruction.
35:12
Speaker 17: That is why they are quite literally asking for a
35:17
Speaker 17: war so that they can have this freedom. And we
35:21
Speaker 17: are not in a position to be judging them for that.
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Speaker 2: Tina, thanks so much for joining us on this difficult day.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what the next two weeks bring. Tina called
35:30
Speaker 2: Astromi there, who's an Iranian Australian advocate, human rights advocate,
35:34
Speaker 2: also sits on the Right Council here in Sydney, very
35:37
Speaker 2: active in the community.
35:39
Speaker 1: I want to go to a worrying new.
35:41
Speaker 2: Trend now, a social media trend that has emerged in
35:44
Speaker 2: the UK where teens are sharing the location online and
35:48
Speaker 2: then meeting up and causing chaos on the streets and
35:51
Speaker 2: in various shops and the like.
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Speaker 1: Here's one example.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in writer and broadcaster it's the Crag who
36:14
Speaker 2: it's the good to talk to you again? How to
36:16
Speaker 2: work out what goes on here? To describe us to
36:19
Speaker 2: us the tactics and the impact of these groups.
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Speaker 8: Yes, so what we're seeing is a basically feral teen
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Speaker 8: mobs or youth mobs as the media here would like
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Speaker 8: to call it, and it's just basically a group of
36:32
Speaker 8: young people that organized to meet via social media. They
36:35
Speaker 8: call it link ups uh and they go to high streets,
36:39
Speaker 8: mainly in London. What you're seeing there is likely from
36:41
Speaker 8: Clapham in South London, which happened just before the Easter holidays,
36:45
Speaker 8: where a group, you know, a mob, but what I
36:47
Speaker 8: can only describe as a feral mob of young people
36:51
Speaker 8: meet up, shoplift, cause chaos, you know, you know, attack
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Speaker 8: police officers and actually the chief executive of and Spencer
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Speaker 8: called directly on the Prime Minister to get a handle
37:03
Speaker 8: on this sort of disorder in public because it's risking
37:07
Speaker 8: their employees as well. And this unfortunately is not a
37:10
Speaker 8: trend that's limited to the UK. We're seeing the similar
37:13
Speaker 8: similar things in many major US cities, including Chicago and
37:17
Speaker 8: New York. I was actually in Upstate New York not
37:19
Speaker 8: too long ago, and my friend's son wasn't able to
37:22
Speaker 8: go bowling because they've received a notification that they were
37:24
Speaker 8: planning some of these link ups online and that they
37:28
Speaker 8: were terrified that the you know, swarts of young people
37:31
Speaker 8: are going to descend upon these locations. Of course, chaos
37:33
Speaker 8: henriqu havoc. And I think it's completely unacceptable. I mean,
37:36
Speaker 8: on the one part, it speaks to the disorderly nature
37:39
Speaker 8: that many Western cities are falling into, which is increasing
37:42
Speaker 8: you know, antisocial behavior, petty crime like theft, burglary.
37:47
Speaker 15: But it also speaks to a real.
37:48
Speaker 8: Parenting problem because I don't understand how many of these
37:51
Speaker 8: parents don't know where their children are, how they're raising
37:55
Speaker 8: children that think it's acceptable to be out in public
37:58
Speaker 8: behaving this way. How there is absolutely no respect for
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Speaker 8: police and law enforcement, and there are no real consequences
38:04
Speaker 8: for this. I mean, they're major US politicians in cities
38:07
Speaker 8: across Chicago and other parts of the country right now
38:10
Speaker 8: talking about finding parents to the tens of thousands of
38:13
Speaker 8: dollars just to make sure that there's an incentive for
38:16
Speaker 8: them to get their children under control.
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Speaker 15: But this is completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 8: I mean, they're just awful to experience, and it's really
38:22
Speaker 8: terrifying when you're a member of the public and you're
38:24
Speaker 8: stuck in the middle of this throng.
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Speaker 2: I bet it's such a worry. It's another social media impact.
38:29
Speaker 2: Social media enables it to happen because of the mass communication,
38:33
Speaker 2: but then they obviously film it to get notoriety.
38:36
Speaker 1: The numbers make it impossible to police.
38:39
Speaker 2: Is there any sense about there being an aim here,
38:44
Speaker 2: or certain areas or certain groups of people are being
38:47
Speaker 2: involved in this, or is it just a pretty widespread phenomenon.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just a widespread craze from young people. I mean,
38:54
Speaker 8: the argument that many people are saying is that there
38:56
Speaker 8: are no more youth centers and so these young people
38:59
Speaker 8: are idle, which I find absolutely baffling. The British government
39:01
Speaker 8: guarantees education up until the age of eighteen. I don't
39:04
Speaker 8: know why, you know, these parents expect us to fund
39:07
Speaker 8: youth centers for them to get their children under control
39:10
Speaker 8: and have some basic respect for the public and law
39:12
Speaker 8: and order. I find it quite insulting. And I mentioned,
39:15
Speaker 8: you know, if you look at the demographic a lot
39:17
Speaker 8: of this is a significant overrepresentation of ethnic minority, particularly
39:20
Speaker 8: black Western youths. And I say, you know, I've never
39:23
Speaker 8: ever seen these sorts of feral mobs in places like
39:25
Speaker 8: Nigeria and Ghana because there's a basic respect for parents
39:29
Speaker 8: and discipline and the public. And so this idea that
39:33
Speaker 8: the government needs to put more money into youth centers. No,
39:35
Speaker 8: parents actually need to do their job and start parenting.
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Speaker 2: The key word you mentioned it there. I keep coming
39:41
Speaker 2: back to it, it's respect. We've got to have people
39:44
Speaker 2: respect each other, and without respect you get nowhere and
39:48
Speaker 2: these people showing absolutely disrespect for other citizens. It's just shocking. Briefly,
39:53
Speaker 2: I just want to get your thoughts esther before we
39:55
Speaker 2: let you go. CanYa West has been banned from a
39:58
Speaker 2: music festival in the UK. They finally getting tough on
40:01
Speaker 2: any Semitism in the UK.
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Speaker 8: You would think so, but just give yourself a few
40:06
Speaker 8: more hours and you'll probably likely run into another pro
40:10
Speaker 8: Palatinian protest that is openly anti Semitic in many parts
40:13
Speaker 8: of its organization. This is a government that has decided
40:16
Speaker 8: to make an example of Kanye, but has didn't have
40:19
Speaker 8: the same sort of approach or energy for months of
40:23
Speaker 8: these pro Palastinian protests. Even the members of major Jewish
40:26
Speaker 8: communities in the UK were saying, you know, they've had
40:28
Speaker 8: to close their shops, their Jurish shops and because they
40:31
Speaker 8: feel threatened. A lot of these people are openly supporting
40:34
Speaker 8: har Mass which is a designated terrorist group in the UK,
40:37
Speaker 8: and in many ways it's openly anti Semitic. So you
40:40
Speaker 8: have to wonder why Kanye somehow made the cut for
40:43
Speaker 8: the government to take action but not anti Semitic hate mobs.
40:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, I wonder. Indeed, thanks so much for joining USA.
40:50
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Esterocrrectly. They're live from the UK. You've
40:54
Speaker 2: got to go to a break now. On the other side,
40:56
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Speaker 2: sold in the last month, up forty two percent. Not
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Speaker 2: surprising people are going that way when your diesels three
41:32
Speaker 2: dollars twenty a later or whatever did you grab yourself one, Damika.
41:35
Speaker 18: No, you know why, Chris, Because if I can't fork
41:38
Speaker 18: out between sixty and one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
41:40
Speaker 18: for one, that's the biggest problem. Look, of course there's
41:43
Speaker 18: going to be an uptick, right, but it's okay if
41:44
Speaker 18: you live in the city. But if you live outside
41:46
Speaker 18: of the city and you want to travel long distances,
41:48
Speaker 18: you want to go from A to B, why would
41:50
Speaker 18: you bother getting it? And don't forget over the easter
41:52
Speaker 18: to break. There was also five hour queues at charging stations.
41:56
Speaker 1: We have a look at this.
41:57
Speaker 2: Tim Blair shows showed at some of this yesterday. Out
41:59
Speaker 2: in the country people go for their Easter weekend.
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Speaker 18: Particularly bad around Aubrey Wodonga and a lot of them
42:06
Speaker 18: around there are the fast charging stations, but people were
42:09
Speaker 18: lining up like this for hours and hours and we
42:12
Speaker 18: don't have the infrastructure Chris. So all well and good
42:14
Speaker 18: that there's an uptick, but practical, practically no, not good.
42:18
Speaker 1: Great way to spin your Easter. You can't even play
42:20
Speaker 1: any music in the car.
42:21
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think people need to realize puppies aren't just
42:24
Speaker 19: for Christmas. Like if you buy the ev in the
42:25
Speaker 19: rush now you are stuck with that for quite a while.
42:28
Speaker 19: And I mean we're talking. You know, petrol prices are
42:31
Speaker 19: going to come down, Petrol supply is going to improve.
42:33
Speaker 19: It's just the natural way things are going to go,
42:34
Speaker 19: especially if they cease fire takes. And you just think people,
42:38
Speaker 19: you know, if that's the situation now, if as sales increased,
42:42
Speaker 19: unless there's a massive deregulation and how like a massive
42:44
Speaker 19: increase in how many reports they can get, we're going
42:47
Speaker 19: to see a real supply crisis in a couple of months,
42:49
Speaker 19: a couple of years time.
42:50
Speaker 2: Look I reckon, they're okay. Look, you know, I have
42:53
Speaker 2: two cars. We're a two car family. You know, we've
42:55
Speaker 2: got the big diesel truckster and we're going to got
42:57
Speaker 2: another diesel car. But you know, if we had somewhere
43:00
Speaker 2: to park, if the second car was electric, we had
43:03
Speaker 2: somewhere to park and charge it, it would be really
43:06
Speaker 2: useful as a second car around the city. But you
43:08
Speaker 2: need that few you know, what do you call internal
43:12
Speaker 2: combustion engine to do the to do the big trips
43:15
Speaker 2: and the heavy loads.
43:16
Speaker 1: But most people don't have an extra place to park
43:18
Speaker 1: a car and power and charge it at the home.
43:20
Speaker 1: Or whatever.
43:20
Speaker 2: So there's going to be a limited update the idea
43:22
Speaker 2: that Chris Bowen tells us we're all going to switch
43:25
Speaker 2: to evs, even the trucks on the road.
43:27
Speaker 1: I mean, how far off is all that?
43:28
Speaker 18: Well, that's just a ridiculous proposition. And as I said,
43:31
Speaker 18: unless you really can afford at Tesla, for example, which
43:34
Speaker 18: could go up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
43:37
Speaker 18: who in a cost of living crisis is going I'm
43:39
Speaker 18: going to budget for a Tesla this year when you're
43:41
Speaker 18: trying to budget for your own family needs. For goodness sake,
43:45
Speaker 18: I think that Chris Bowen is dreaming, and I'm not
43:48
Speaker 18: suggesting that there's going to be more of an uptick.
43:50
Speaker 18: I don't doubt that there will be an uptick, But
43:53
Speaker 18: everyone forget it dreaming.
43:55
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
43:56
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan was onto Energy today at the National Press Club,
43:59
Speaker 2: talking a lot of sense.
44:00
Speaker 1: He's a little more of him.
44:02
Speaker 14: We have our own continent. There's a lot of stuff
44:05
Speaker 14: on this continent, including a lot of oil and gas
44:07
Speaker 14: that is yet to be explored. All we have to
44:10
Speaker 14: do is unlock it. All we have to do is
44:14
Speaker 14: use our country again, and we will solve these problems.
44:18
Speaker 2: James is so infuriatingly obvious. We have coal resources, uranium resources,
44:24
Speaker 2: gas resources.
44:25
Speaker 1: The envy of the world, and we reckon we shouldn't
44:28
Speaker 1: be using them.
44:29
Speaker 20: Yeah.
44:29
Speaker 19: I think this is why mac Canavan is just such
44:32
Speaker 19: an important piak for the Nationals as leader. I mean,
44:34
Speaker 19: he can prosecute that argument in a way that, to
44:36
Speaker 19: be honest, David Little Prowd never really could. I mean,
44:38
Speaker 19: he's singing the same songbook, but it just comes differently
44:41
Speaker 19: when it's from mac Canavan. The specific specificity of how
44:45
Speaker 19: he could fix the petrol crisis, how we can insort
44:47
Speaker 19: for the future. Nationals are hemorrhaging. Votor is to one dation.
44:51
Speaker 19: They're really running behind them in some key areas. I
44:55
Speaker 19: just think mac Canavan is a kind of guy that
44:57
Speaker 19: can turn that ship around.
44:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Pauline Hanson was on earlier and she had
45:01
Speaker 1: to go with him.
45:01
Speaker 2: I mean fair enough because she's been consistent on this
45:03
Speaker 2: for years and they're catching up.
45:05
Speaker 1: And sure Matt Canavan was.
45:07
Speaker 2: In the Resources portfolio for a while, but because he
45:10
Speaker 2: was so strong on this stuff, he went to the
45:12
Speaker 2: back bench. He's been consistent on this stuff, and that's
45:14
Speaker 2: to James's point. That's why he can be believed.
45:17
Speaker 1: Everyone knows he's been strong on this stuff for years.
45:19
Speaker 15: Yeah.
45:19
Speaker 18: Well, I mean I remember interviewing Matt Canavan when I
45:22
Speaker 18: was working in years, going back five six years ago,
45:24
Speaker 18: and he always in the background of his television nuclear
45:27
Speaker 18: nuclear energy, So.
45:30
Speaker 1: He's more coal.
45:31
Speaker 18: So this isn't just something that he's just drummed up
45:33
Speaker 18: in the last couple of weeks. I agree, he has
45:35
Speaker 18: been consistent and he was the first politician to come
45:37
Speaker 18: out a few weeks ago saying we need to drill, baby, drill.
45:40
Speaker 18: In the end, we are sitting on an abundance of
45:43
Speaker 18: resources coal, of course, gas, uranium, and we're always we're
45:48
Speaker 18: exporting it overseas. We can't drill because successive governments have
45:52
Speaker 18: set us up for failure in the future. So it's
45:55
Speaker 18: nice and look, Pauline's been ahead of the curve with
45:57
Speaker 18: this too, But I agree Matt Canavan huge asset to
46:00
Speaker 18: the Nationals and taking this party into a new direction.
46:03
Speaker 2: And we hasten to add this is coalition governments as
46:06
Speaker 2: well as labor governments, especially in the States, they've been
46:09
Speaker 2: pathetic on locking up land from drilling and exploitation of
46:14
Speaker 2: natural resources and going all on on that zero. But
46:18
Speaker 2: the bloke who's in charge of our future at the moment,
46:21
Speaker 2: don't let that stop you from sleeping at night, is
46:24
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen.
46:24
Speaker 1: Have I listened to him today?
46:26
Speaker 20: Energy must be secure. Renewable energy is a secure form
46:31
Speaker 20: of energy. The Australian Sun cannot be interrupted by a
46:35
Speaker 20: war or anything else. Solar energy has to travel one
46:38
Speaker 20: hundred and fifty million kilmeters from the Sun. It doesn't
46:41
Speaker 20: have to travel the one hundred and fifty kimeters that
46:42
Speaker 20: are straits or homewards.
46:44
Speaker 2: James, the level of insanity there, the level of delusion
46:47
Speaker 2: to start off by saying that renewable energy is secure
46:51
Speaker 2: when it's absolutely the opposite.
46:54
Speaker 1: It is intermittent and unreliable.
46:56
Speaker 19: It's just the condescending nature of it as well. Let
46:59
Speaker 19: me tell you how far this you know, This is
47:01
Speaker 19: how solar angy. We know that, we know how solar
47:03
Speaker 19: energy works, we know the theory behind it. No one's
47:05
Speaker 19: watching that going like, wait, WHOA, what is renewable energy?
47:08
Speaker 19: But it's just that condescending nature that he keeps coming
47:11
Speaker 19: to that just puts people off. Any message that he sells.
47:14
Speaker 19: I mean, to be honest, I kind of feel sorry
47:16
Speaker 19: for Chris Bowin in one sense, like this was supposed
47:18
Speaker 19: to be the retirement year, Like I'm off to cop
47:20
Speaker 19: and suddenly he's the main character again. It's like, not
47:22
Speaker 19: what he signed up for at all. I understand why
47:24
Speaker 19: he's getting a bit you know, agitated and press conferences
47:27
Speaker 19: like I thought I was done with this world. But
47:29
Speaker 19: you know, he's got to stop the condescending.
47:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was challenged a bit today and there'll be
47:33
Speaker 2: more about that, no doubt in the future. But you know,
47:35
Speaker 2: apart from this point, that renewable energy is not secure.
47:39
Speaker 2: That's its major flaw. Also, this nonsense Tanika that with
47:43
Speaker 2: the renewables were not beholden to any other country. When
47:46
Speaker 2: we get our solar panels, our wind turbines, our batteries
47:50
Speaker 2: and our evs all come from China. They could stop
47:54
Speaker 2: us off, cut off us off at the past any moment.
47:57
Speaker 18: Yeah, and not to mention as well, the security risks
47:59
Speaker 18: that we love coming from China as well. We don't
48:02
Speaker 18: know anything about these materials. You know, he never sees
48:05
Speaker 18: us to amaze me. Every time Chris Bowen gets up
48:07
Speaker 18: to speak, he really thinks that We're really that dumb.
48:10
Speaker 18: He really treats us all like we have no idea
48:13
Speaker 18: what's going on. I mean, all you have to do
48:15
Speaker 18: is open your bills every month to know that Chris
48:18
Speaker 18: Bowen is lying on the daily and no wonder Chris,
48:22
Speaker 18: that they quietly no longer speaking about that renewables twenty
48:26
Speaker 18: thirty two by eighty percent, by twenty thirty two target.
48:29
Speaker 18: No wonder because already it's going to be a failure
48:31
Speaker 18: before that even gets in motion.
48:33
Speaker 1: They have got no idea.
48:34
Speaker 2: All they know is they love renewables, and the United
48:37
Speaker 2: Nations love experiments. The rest yeah, yeah, world first experiments.
48:41
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, James and Denika appreciate it. We'll
48:43
Speaker 2: catch up with your next.
48:44
Speaker 1: Just before we let you go, I want to share
48:46
Speaker 1: some of.
48:46
Speaker 2: Your feedback last night when you saw those cues at
48:48
Speaker 2: the EV charges. One viewer says, pure entertainment. They can't
48:52
Speaker 2: just throw a few liters in and go to the
48:54
Speaker 2: next service station.
48:55
Speaker 1: Love it.
48:56
Speaker 2: Don says not feeling so smug, now are you EV drivers,
49:00
Speaker 2: while another says, I hope those charges were not diesel powered.
49:03
Speaker 1: Well, in the end, they're all pretty much coal powered.
49:06
Speaker 2: And Jonathan says they obviously didn't have their tire pressure
49:09
Speaker 2: adjusted correctly, as recommended by Chris Bowen. Yeah, aren't we
49:14
Speaker 2: all sick of advice from Chris Bowen? Thanks for watching
49:17
Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night. Here's Peter Kredlin.