Latest / 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast / 22 Panels Episode #260 - Afterlife with Archie

Transcript

22 Panels Episode #260 - Afterlife with Archie · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tyler Johnson: Hey everyone, welcome back to 22 Panels. This is the podcast that aims to examine, explore, and elevate the medium of comics. I am Tyler, and in the background is my dog, Pepper. Can you guys hear her?
• 0:15
  Phil: Woof! Woof woof! Yeah! Woof!
• 0:17
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, she's going crazy back there. Sorry about that. And across the interwebs.
• 0:22
  Tyler Johnson: is Tad and Phil, they just got hit with my sticky web.
• 0:27
  Phil: Oh… Every time I react to getting hit, I then regret reacting.
• 0:31
  Tyler Johnson: Very sticky.
• 0:32
  Phil: Oh, no, it's too early.
• 0:33
  Tyler Johnson: Gross, gross.
• 0:36
  Phil: You know, it'll.
• 0:36
  Tyler Johnson: dissolve.
• 0:37
  Phil: It's been, like, an hour, isn't it?
• 0:38
  Tyler Johnson: Something like that? You know what, just leave it on your face. It looks good.
• 0:41
  Phil: No! No!
• 0:43
  Tyler Johnson: Not the.
• 0:44
  Phil: Faith.
• 0:45
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, okay, we're back, I'm back. Hey, Tad, how's it going?
• 0:50
  Tad Eggleston: It's… Going. Going is all I can give it right now.
• 0:54
  Tyler Johnson: Yes, I… it is going…
• 0:57
  Tad Eggleston: I… I survived the week.
• 1:00
  Tad Eggleston: The, the… Right.
• 1:04
  Phil: You're not a zombie right now?
• 1:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I am a little bit of a zombie, but…
• 1:09
  Tyler Johnson: Speaking of the book we're talking about today, yeah.
• 1:12
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:12
  Tad Eggleston: I survived the week.
• 1:17
  Tad Eggleston: Baseball and Comics Roundtable, is Tuesday.
• 1:22
  Phil: Exciting.
• 1:23
  Phil: Not on Tuesday.
• 1:24
  Tad Eggleston: And we have a pretty big interview that I'm not gonna say out loud, because… Chicks it.
• 1:34
  Phil: I wish I could.
• 1:34
  Tad Eggleston: I just don't want to jinx it.
• 1:36
  Tyler Johnson: You don't want to, yeah, you don't want to say it online, or in the recording.
• 1:39
  Phil: I will text you my mystery question, you know, that morning.
• 1:44
  Tad Eggleston: But, but yeah, it's been… Too long of a week.
• 1:49
  Tad Eggleston: And,
• 1:51
  Tyler Johnson: Can we talk about your first piece of news? The crowd of…
• 1:55
  Tad Eggleston: On a turnstile? Yes, we can.
• 1:57
  Tyler Johnson: So, Termstyle, for those that don't know, they are a band that I really like, very hardcore, very…
• 2:03
  Tad Eggleston: They have been very much my hyperfixation this week. I have been.
• 2:07
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 2:08
  Tad Eggleston: style all week long.
• 2:10
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, and earlier… let me… let me go back a little bit further with Turnstyle, in case you guys hadn't heard this weird piece of news.
• 2:18
  Tyler Johnson: Last year, their, one of their band members was arrested for attempted murder on a current band member's father. He tried to run him over with… tried to run him down with a car.
• 2:31
  Phil: That is a purchase of life.
• 2:33
  Tad Eggleston: It should… it should be… it should be pointed out that it's one of their former band members, who was already a former band member before he did that.
• 2:43
  Tyler Johnson: Correct. Yep, yep, yep, yep.
• 2:44
  Tad Eggleston: I think they parted ways, what?
• 2:48
  Tyler Johnson: Two years ago.
• 2:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, something like that.
• 2:51
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, so that's weird. Then, they turned down Metallica for a touring gig, and they just said, no thank you.
• 3:00
  Tad Eggleston: shock me.
• 3:01
  Tyler Johnson: James Hetfield is beside himself right now, going, what? You're not gonna tour with Metallica? And this proves why. Tad, what is your piece of news?
• 3:12
  Tad Eggleston: One of the other things that I have learned about them is that, like, they… they have had some pushback in the hardcore community for not being political enough. Well, yeah.
• 3:24
  Tad Eggleston: They, they, they kinda made their, their bona fides on, on,
• 3:30
  Tad Eggleston: on Saturday, not long after we recorded last week, they… they… Had a… a…
• 3:40
  Tad Eggleston: concert on the National Mall.
• 3:43
  Tad Eggleston: In the shadow of the Washington Monument, for 60,000 people.
• 3:50
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, it went crazy.
• 3:52
  Tad Eggleston: To benefit Gaza, Sudan, and Lebanon?
• 3:59
  Tad Eggleston: Call for peace, call for an end to genocide.
• 4:06
  Tad Eggleston: At one point during the show, the lead singer
• 4:12
  Tad Eggleston: led a Free Palestine chant that, like, he started with, let's make this loud enough that they can hear us at the White House, and I'm…
• 4:21
  Phil: Pretty easy.
• 4:22
  Tad Eggleston: asserted.
• 4:22
  Tyler Johnson: They would have had to. The footage I saw, they would have had to.
• 4:26
  Tad Eggleston: But on top of that, and like, I… I appreciate this sort of thing, I think it's one of the best ways to protest. It was a joyous occasion.
• 4:38
  Phil: Yeah. Nice.
• 4:40
  Tad Eggleston: you know, they were there for a purpose, they were raising money, I forgot to pull up their funding page to see where they're at right now. I meant to do that.
• 4:53
  Tad Eggleston: But they were, like, 260,000.
• 4:56
  Tad Eggleston: on… Tuesday.
• 4:59
  Tyler Johnson: You know, I got into this…
• 5:00
  Tad Eggleston: counting.
• 5:01
  Tyler Johnson: I got into this band when the attempted murder stuff was going on. Right. Because that's what caught my attention.
• 5:08
  Tad Eggleston: crime junkie that you are.
• 5:10
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, that's what caught my attention, going, what? And then, and since then, I really love their… their music. It's the style of music that I really like.
• 5:20
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it… it's… it's punk hardcore, I mean, they call…
• 5:24
  Tyler Johnson: It's aggressive. Yep.
• 5:25
  Tad Eggleston: They call themselves Melodic Punk Hardcore. And I think… I think the melodic is worth noting, because, like, one of the things that blows my mind, I mean, I think a lot of punk bands are… are better…
• 5:42
  Tad Eggleston: musically than… than they get credit for. Yeah. But this is a band of…
• 5:50
  Tad Eggleston: Really good musicians with a really diverse set of… influences going into it.
• 5:59
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 6:01
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it definitely feels like… in the… the… direct lineage.
• 6:11
  Tad Eggleston: of, like, Clash, Fugazi, Rage Against the Machine.
• 6:16
  Phil: I mean, I'm feeling some, ministry from this, this track, Birds, that I just put on.
• 6:23
  Tyler Johnson: Fugazi… Fugazi a lot, yeah, like you said, Tad.
• 6:27
  Tad Eggleston: Minor threat.
• 6:28
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, it's…
• 6:30
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, and that's the other thing, like, it…
• 6:36
  Tad Eggleston: The frontman for Fugazi was on the side of the stage for the whole show.
• 6:41
  Tyler Johnson: Correct, yeah, that's what's on… These guys have legitimate clout behind them.
• 6:45
  Tad Eggleston: They took the time to… Recognize the people That came before them.
• 6:53
  Tyler Johnson: That brought them there, right? That got them to that spot.
• 6:56
  Tad Eggleston: And for that matter, I was watching their Tiny Desk concert.
• 7:02
  Tad Eggleston: And they took time during that to show gratitude, too. I mean, so that's something that really also impresses me, is that, like, this is a band that takes time in performances to show their gratitude
• 7:14
  Tad Eggleston: For the people involved in getting them there. Also, possibly the only stage dive ever in Tiny Desk history, so…
• 7:23
  Tyler Johnson: So, did you see… like, a month before that, Napalm Desk played The Tiny Desk. Okay. And I don't know if they staged it, but it was intense.
• 7:32
  Tad Eggleston: No, I get that, but there was actually… he jumped up on the desk…
• 7:37
  Tyler Johnson: There's a desk.
• 7:38
  Tad Eggleston: launched himself into the crowd of people and crowd-surfed during Tiny Desk.
• 7:45
  Tyler Johnson: That's awesome.
• 7:46
  Phil: Yeah, I'll listen to more of that. The first song… first song there that I put on… I just…
• 7:51
  Tyler Johnson: Ministry's not a bad… ministry's not a bad connection. It does have that kind of vibe to it, a little bit industrial.
• 7:57
  Phil: Yeah, yeah. I wonder…
• 7:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 7:59
  Phil: He's totally been…
• 8:01
  Tad Eggleston: It's totally been my, hyperfixation this week. I've listened to all of their music multiple times. I've listened to the Capitol Show multiple times.
• 8:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 8:12
  Tad Eggleston: That's all.
• 8:13
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome. Unfortunately, guys, we have some bad news. Our benefactor and sometimes co-host Andy has had some tragic news.
• 8:24
  Tad Eggleston: He, like, tyler's a father, too. Like…
• 8:33
  Tyler Johnson: My heart broke. So…
• 8:35
  Tad Eggleston: There's no worse thing that can happen to a parent, and it doesn't matter how old your kid is.
• 8:41
  Tyler Johnson: E.
• 8:42
  Tyler Johnson: Right, and in… Go ahead.
• 8:45
  Tad Eggleston: His oldest son, who… who… just turned 30.
• 8:50
  Tad Eggleston: Was in a car accident on… Monday night.
• 8:54
  Tad Eggleston: And… and didn't make it. And… and… Joe?
• 9:01
  Tad Eggleston: He'd been married for 4 whole months.
• 9:05
  Tad Eggleston: Four whole months.
• 9:08
  Tyler Johnson: It's insane.
• 9:09
  Tyler Johnson: You guys, I never… listeners, I never met Dylan, the young man who passed away, but his dad is one of the nicest guys I have ever met, so my heart is just broken for this tragedy, you know?
• 9:22
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, like, he pays for all of our hosting, he… he… you know…
• 9:29
  Tad Eggleston: is always there when we need him for anything. He's… he's kind of the… the…
• 9:36
  Tad Eggleston: benefactor of 22 panels in so many ways.
• 9:43
  Tad Eggleston: Which is why, like, he started a GoFundMe for his son's widow. We've got it up on our…
• 9:52
  Tad Eggleston: our,
• 9:55
  Phil: Instagram.
• 9:55
  Tad Eggleston: Sorry. Our Instagram and our Facebook already.
• 9:58
  Tyler Johnson: I gave… I gave what I could, and I'm super excited about it. I'm hoping… I'm hoping…
• 10:04
  Tad Eggleston: as well.
• 10:04
  Tyler Johnson: Everything makes a difference, you know?
• 10:08
  Tad Eggleston: And I will, I'll definitely be getting it up on Blue Sky as well. I just ask any of our listeners to give if they can, amplify it if they can't. Amplify it if they can.
• 10:23
  Tyler Johnson: So, we should make it clear, the GoFundMe was set up by Andy, but it is for… it is for Dylan's widow, just with all of the funeral charges going on, with all of the, I mean, expenses… it's… it's insane, you guys.
• 10:39
  Tad Eggleston: I don't… I don't know all of the details, but I mean, who knows if they… you know, there's a lease on a… I mean, there could…
• 10:47
  Tyler Johnson: Who knows?
• 10:48
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, there's just so many shared expenses that people have when they're married, that if you lose an income, can be…
• 10:59
  Tad Eggleston: Devastating.
• 11:01
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly because, you know, we definitely live in a nation, at least, where dying isn't cheap.
• 11:10
  Tyler Johnson: No.
• 11:10
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 11:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 11:14
  Phil: It's a… it's an unfortunate part of it.
• 11:17
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, I've been heartbroken this week. I've… I've been a little out of sorts at times.
• 11:27
  Tad Eggleston: as Phil and Tyler can attest, I woke up late, even though I got the extra hour built into my night.
• 11:36
  Tyler Johnson: Well, as you can tell from our text exchange while you were sleeping, we don't… we don't, we aren't angry. I… all I said was, you know, he was probably exhausted.
• 11:46
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it is the advantage of the fact that I am the one that's been here for 260.
• 11:53
  Phil: I wanted… I wanted to make a joke saying, hey, Tyler, why don't we go ahead without Tad? But that's impossible.
• 11:59
  Tyler Johnson: No, it's not. I can do it on my side, but then I'd have to send Tad the, you know.
• 12:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 12:06
  Tyler Johnson: And also, since I don't have a subscription to Zoom, we would only be able to go an hour.
• 12:11
  Phil: Oh, we've been on a tight timeline.
• 12:14
  Tyler Johnson: Huh.
• 12:14
  Phil: You know, yeah, something like that. I didn't want to seriously consider the option. We'd have to be in a pretty deep emergency.
• 12:22
  Tyler Johnson: Also…
• 12:23
  Phil: Go on without me.
• 12:24
  Tyler Johnson: In the old days, I did the recording on an actual recorder, like, so I have it.
• 12:31
  Tad Eggleston: We did.
• 12:31
  Tyler Johnson: to do that. It's still set up. I just got too busy, and Tad took it over when using Zoom instead, and it's worked out, and this way we can see each other. In the way I was recording, it wasn't recording our audio. We were looking at each other on Zoom, but I was recording our audio a different way. Okay.
• 12:51
  Phil: Interesting.
• 12:51
  Tyler Johnson: So I still have that, so if Tad can't make it, you and I can do it.
• 12:55
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. It's totally fine. I mean, we can't…
• 12:58
  Tad Eggleston: I think… I think hell will freeze over before I miss an episode.
• 13:06
  Tyler Johnson: I'm just saying… I don't know why my camera went blurry.
• 13:08
  Phil: It's because you're being so indecent, you're censored. Okay, now.
• 13:13
  Tyler Johnson: Well, the camera has a built-in focus, and when I move around a lot, it gets blurry.
• 13:18
  Phil: Yeah.
• 13:19
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, let's,
• 13:20
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, let's, quickly, what kind of week has it been? I don't know if you guys have noticed, but, like, the, the, the Vivec moment has, has…
• 13:31
  Tad Eggleston: has totally… Kicked off a massive GOP meltdown going into.
• 13:41
  Phil: We can only hope.
• 13:42
  Tad Eggleston: the final days of the election. There's…
• 13:45
  Tyler Johnson: starts getting…
• 13:46
  Tad Eggleston: They are certainly not acting like people who expect to win.
• 13:51
  Tyler Johnson: No, because…
• 13:53
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 13:54
  Tyler Johnson: It says, Mike Johnson says, if the Democrats win the, midterms, We're all going to jail.
• 14:04
  Tyler Johnson: He said that, he said that out loud.
• 14:10
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, we can only hope.
• 14:15
  Phil: Vote harder, guys, vote harder!
• 14:17
  Tyler Johnson: You know, you can tell, too, because my phone and my TV have been hijacked by anti-democratic ads.
• 14:25
  Tad Eggleston: Cause you're… No, no, you're… Not per Republican, they're just…
• 14:30
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 14:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. You're, you're deep in red area,
• 14:37
  Tyler Johnson: It's crazy, I live in a blue state, but in the reddest area of it.
• 14:41
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right. But… but yeah, no, it's… it's, It's definitely…
• 14:53
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't like to count chickens,
• 14:59
  Tad Eggleston: And… and God knows it's also clear that… that a lot
• 15:04
  Tad Eggleston: They're going all out with every form of chicanery they can come up with.
• 15:09
  Tyler Johnson: Would you guys, do you guys re…
• 15:10
  Tad Eggleston: It's not acting like they expect to win.
• 15:13
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, no, even Donald Trump's personal social media that he puts out there has said, we are not going to accept results that we don't win.
• 15:21
  Tyler Johnson: Not in that exact wording.
• 15:23
  Phil: That's terrifying, but yeah, it's not just him, but like…
• 15:26
  Tyler Johnson: He just puts it out there, right? He doesn't even care anymore.
• 15:30
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. But yeah, we should get rolling, guys. I do… I am gonna have some work to do today. But, comic-wise, new series coming out, Barbie! I'm actually really excited about this. From Ken…
• 15:45
  Tyler Johnson: From Ben Coff, and Natalie Nardoza from Dark Horse. When I saw Dark Horse was putting it out, I'm like, yeah, I'll get it. So…
• 15:55
  Tyler Johnson: When I read this, it's gonna sound weird, but there are two Barbies, just so you know.
• 16:00
  Phil: Whaaat?
• 16:01
  Tyler Johnson: Brooklyn Barbie and Malibu Barbie. Alright. When Barbie and Ken surprise Barbie at her science internship, they're not expecting the brush-off they received. Her…
• 16:12
  Tyler Johnson: Ken wanders into a supercollider test run and disappears. What? With the help of their mentor, Dr. Bon Science, Barbie and Barbie must follow Ken's time energy to different places and eras to collect it and restore their friend in the present. But accessing the time energy won't be simple.
• 16:33
  Tyler Johnson: Especially for Barbie. Let's… Oh, yeah, so…
• 16:37
  Tyler Johnson: Ken wanders into a supercollider, you guys, so…
• 16:42
  Phil: I mean.
• 16:43
  Tyler Johnson: Anyway…
• 16:43
  Phil: I don't know what… he's colliding with other Kens, I don't know.
• 16:47
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. Considering in a supercollider, they smash atoms, so I don't know what would happen to a human.
• 16:53
  Phil: Well, who's Adam?
• 16:55
  Tyler Johnson: Right? Who's Adam?
• 16:57
  Tyler Johnson: Who in.
• 16:58
  Phil: Is Adam… is Adam on first?
• 17:00
  Phil: Nope.
• 17:01
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 17:02
  Tyler Johnson: who's.
• 17:05
  Phil: Tad was quickly… was hastily editing.
• 17:07
  Tyler Johnson: Go ahead.
• 17:08
  Tad Eggleston: What I am… probably one of the books I am most looking forward to
• 17:15
  Tad Eggleston: Coming up, period. I had so much fun talking to Tom about this. Dregs Magazine number one, we talked about it on the Kickstarter. Now, you can order it from your local comic shop.
• 17:28
  Tad Eggleston: Matthias Bergera, Michael DeForge, Richie Pope, James Romberger, Delphina Perez, Adan, Tom Neely, Keenan Marshall Keller, Glow Dark, Suzanne Giana, Jean-Marc Asene, Tom Kaczynski, Max
• 17:43
  Tad Eggleston: Maxime Guerin and Al Gofa from Uncivilized Books, a new quarterly sci-fi and fantasy comics magazine inspired by Metal Erlant and Garo. Short stories and continuing series from established cartoonists and international creators, plus interviews, articles, and process pieces.
• 18:01
  Tad Eggleston: Perfect for fans of discovering the next big creators.
• 18:05
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff is December 28th.
• 18:10
  Tad Eggleston: And in stores on January 27th.
• 18:14
  Phil: Alright, next up, Drug Wolf, number 1, from James Kochalka at Floating World Comics.
• 18:21
  Phil: Drugwolf becomes Drugwolf, in an attempt to cross the unknown dream dimension and become all he's…
• 18:28
  Phil: And, yeah, sorry. In an attempt to cross the unknown dream dimension, and because he's sad that his cat Trigger passed away, a young man eats a handful of random pills at the bottom of his drawer, and proceeds to wander the streets of Burlington, Vermont. Following a random cat, he finds a wolf mask and puffy winter coat in the trash and becomes our titular hero. Luckily, Drug Wolf gets different superpowers depending on what drugs he can
• 18:53
  Phil: assumes. Otherwise, What are we even doing here?
• 18:56
  Phil: That's why this is a comic book. After entertaining literally hundreds of thousands of children with his beloved Johnny Boo, Banana Fox, and Green Akes and ham graphic novels, Eisner Award-winning cartoonist James Kochalka makes his triumphant return to adult comics with this blistering hot new series. And that's gonna have a final or a cutoff of November…
• 19:16
  Phil: 30th in stores, February 24th.
• 19:21
  Tyler Johnson: You got the next one, too.
• 19:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 19:24
  Phil: Oh, oh, next up, too, is, InN1 from Robert Wyndham and Mirko Kolak at Image Comics. It's gonna…
• 19:33
  Phil: Inin refers to an inescapable relationship between rivals. A tale of vengeance set in dystopian future Japan, a young girl who witnesses her mother's murder is dead set on revenge. When she finds an ancient helmet that turns the wearer into a warrior demon, murder and mayhem ensue. However, to quench her bloodlust, she'll need to defeat her helmet's karmic enemy.
• 19:54
  Phil: That's gonna have a final order cutoff of December 14th in stores January 20th.
• 20:01
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome.
• 20:02
  Tad Eggleston: Kindergarten gulag, number one, from Mark Russell and Morissette at Ahoy. A man wakes up one day to find himself the sole inmate in a prison run by five
• 20:14
  Tad Eggleston: very young, creepy children, who proceed to argue about whether or not to kill him. A disturbing meditation on the innocent things that can hurt us the most.
• 20:23
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of December 28th, in stores on January 8th.
• 20:29
  Tad Eggleston: 27th.
• 20:32
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, you guys, Spider-Punk from Cody Ziegler and Justin Mason from Marvel.
• 20:38
  Tyler Johnson: Spider-Punk's going solo, the Spider brand… er, the Spider Band is missing, and Hobby's… Hobby Brown's in LA to unravel the mystery of what happened to his friends.
• 20:49
  Tyler Johnson: But he'll have to confront his inner demons along the way, and those of a new adversary, Ms. Negative. And if that weren't enough, she's teamed up with the Scorpion to be the ultimate thorn in Hobby's side.
• 21:03
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cut off of December 14th, and will be in shops January 20th.
• 21:10
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, let's talk some graphic novels, starting with Chin Music from Richard Short at Floating World Comics and Breakdown Press. Step into the white
• 21:20
  Tad Eggleston: heat of Kennington Oval and dance to the concussive rhythm of chin music. Follow master cartoonist Richard Short into this action-stuffed anthropology of cricket.
• 21:32
  Tad Eggleston: Drawn from the terraces of the country, county game, a contest comes to life in a virtuoso act of goofball, cartooning, and exquisite
• 21:41
  Tad Eggleston: Observational drawing that encapsulates the elegance and eccentricity of this most beautiful and mysterious game.
• 21:51
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of November 30th in stores on January 27th.
• 21:59
  Tyler Johnson: Okay… I have happy endings from Lucy Byron and Lucy Bright. Okay, from Tripwire.
• 22:09
  Tyler Johnson: Once upon a time, there was a cemetery gardener who fell in love with a professional grave mourner, with a look of a ghost. Once upon a time, there was an art student who asked a young man to pose for her on New Year's Eve.
• 22:23
  Tyler Johnson: Once upon a time, there were agents from the future sent to our present to a small seaside town, to fix a temporal cat-related paradox.
• 22:33
  Tyler Johnson: They found themselves enjoying Italian ice cream while watching sunsets, and no longer wanted to return to their dimension. And they ended up…
• 22:42
  Tyler Johnson: Who knows where? All beautiful things must come to an end, but if we must choose, let it be beautiful. Final order cutoff January 21st, in-stores Janu… excuse me, final order cutoff December 21st, in-stores January 20th.
• 23:00
  Phil: Alright, Miasma myopia from Floyd Tangaman and Phoebe Glockner. Something strange is afoot in Miasma City. Living computers of social control hustle past their breaking point. The essence of miasma's inhabitants, dreams, NUI, paranoia are fodder for uncanny machines.
• 23:19
  Phil: Traversing this dystopian wasteland, a mysterious linked pair, Myron and Xinnia, follow a train-hopping resistance movement. Miasma myopia skitters through graphic vignettes of walking skyscrapers, gatherings of cloud councils.
• 23:33
  Phil: Featureless figures with typewritten speech and a cryptic giant's dream looming over everything in a stream of maximalist linework and multimedia collage. That's gonna have a final order cutoff of December 14th in stores January 27th.
• 23:52
  Tad Eggleston: New Romantics from Jenny Wood and Dozer Draws at Mad Cave Studios. When Maple Falls Christian School cancels its drama department, theater-obsessed Sawyer Chase refuses to give up her dreams. She forms New Romantics, a student performing group.
• 24:07
  Tad Eggleston: but keeping… the act wholesome.
• 24:10
  Tad Eggleston: Proves to be impossible when secret crushes, hidden identities, and forbidden romances collide with expectations of their school.
• 24:19
  Tad Eggleston: parents, and small-town community. Final order cut off of January 4th in stores on January 27th.
• 24:28
  Tad Eggleston: Let's talk some collections!
• 24:30
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, jumping down to collections, I, I've read these in issues, but I'm very excited for Denver. From Jimmy Palmiati and Justin Gray and Pierre Brito, from Mad Cave Studios.
• 24:44
  Tyler Johnson: In a near-future world swallowed by rising oceans, the City of Denver survives as one of humanity's last tightly regulated safe zones.
• 24:52
  Tyler Johnson: Every resource is rationed, every meal is counted, every citizen is tracked, population limits are enforced with absolute precision, and the rules that keep Denver alive leave no room for compassion.
• 25:06
  Tyler Johnson: For Max Flynn, enforcing these rules is more than a job. It's the pressure cooker that defines his life. As a veteran Border Patrol officer, Max works the surrounding waters at the edge of the city and its checkpoints that control Denver's fragile ecosystem.
• 25:21
  Tyler Johnson: At home, he struggles to care for his wife and daughter under the city's unforgiving restrictions, but when his wife is suddenly kidnapped, Max's world detonates. A mysterious enemy contacts him with a brutal ultimatum.
• 25:34
  Tyler Johnson: Turn against Denver from the inside, or never see her alive again. Final order cut off December 21st, and will be in shops January 13th.
• 25:45
  Tyler Johnson: Guys, I don't know if you've noticed this, but I'm reading more clearly. Do you know why?
• 25:51
  Phil: Did you get new glasses recently?
• 25:53
  Tyler Johnson: No, better lenses.
• 25:54
  Tad Eggleston: Glasses.
• 25:55
  Phil: Better lenses, okay. Yeah, there's…
• 25:57
  Tyler Johnson: These frames… these frames are old, but the lenses are better than the ones I was wearing. I tried these on, I'm like, oh my god, I can see way better.
• 26:05
  Tad Eggleston: Alrighty.
• 26:07
  Tad Eggleston: A series that I also…
• 26:11
  Tad Eggleston: In single issues and adored. Endeavor from Stephanie Phillips and Mark Lamming at Distillery.
• 26:18
  Tad Eggleston: From 1768 to 1771, the HMS Endeavor, commanded by the famous Lieutenant James Cook, sailed on a voyage of discovery around Tahiti, New Zealand, and Australia. It didn't end well. Now, a modern-day tourism company is offering a luxury trip aboard the near-accurate requisite…
• 26:37
  Tad Eggleston: Recreation of the ship.
• 26:39
  Tad Eggleston: endeavor. For a hefty fee, elite passengers can experience history with all the modern comforts. The vacation of a lifetime.
• 26:46
  Tad Eggleston: Until the unthinkable happens, and seven children are stuck aboard the ship, alone in a drift at sea. Rough seas and rations are the least of their worries, as they quickly realize the real enemy is each other.
• 27:00
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cut off of December 7th in stores, in time for my birthday, on March 23rd.
• 27:08
  Phil: Alright, Kingdom of Earth from David Dasmalyan and Sue Lee over at Dark Horse. 2036, two years after monsters rose from the earth and sea, devouring everything in their path. Humanity stands on the brink of extinction. The survivors face a brutal choice.
• 27:24
  Phil: Service or slaughter. When a young child named Frankie narrowly escapes their fate as livestock, they're saved by an unlikely ally, a terrifying monster named Virago, who risks everything to lead them to freedom. It's gonna have a final or a cutoff of December 7th in stores March 9th.
• 27:45
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, Secret Agent X9 classic collection from Archie Goodwin and Al Williamson at Mad Cave.
• 27:52
  Tad Eggleston: Studios. In 1934, Daschle Hammett and Alex Raymond were at the height of their careers. Daschle was enjoying the success of his influential 1930 novel, The Maltese Falcon, and Raymond had just launched Flash Gordon, the newspaper strip that
• 28:09
  Tad Eggleston: would be the highlight of his legacy. Together, they created Secret Agent X9, starring an unnamed agent who worked for a shadowy, anonymous agency, and once again, defined a genre.
• 28:20
  Tad Eggleston: 30 years later, Hammett and Raymond's creation would find new life with the dynamic team of Al Williamson and Archie Goodwin, who rechristened the strip, Secret Agent Corrigan, and explored a new style of spy and adventure stories. This hardcore…
• 28:37
  Tad Eggleston: Cover studio… er, hardcover collection from Mad Cave Studios contains the first two years of Goodwin and Williamson's extraordinary run.
• 28:46
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cut off of December 21st, in stores on January 13th.
• 28:54
  Tyler Johnson: Great, well…
• 28:55
  Tad Eggleston: Take the final order cutoffs.
• 28:56
  Tyler Johnson: I will…
• 28:58
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cutoff is for Monday, November 9th. Absolute Batman Beyond Arkham, it's a one-shot from Scott Snyder and Frank Thierry, and Francesco Francavilla, which… which is awesome, because that's what we're reading Francesco's work today.
• 29:15
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, anywho, December 16th, is that coming up? Black Widow, Black, White, and Red Room, number 1, from Stephanie Phillips and Devin Grayson, as well as Bradley Clayton, Ito, and various others from Marvel. That is December 16th.
• 29:33
  Tyler Johnson: Creature Corps, Kurt Pires, Jacques from Image, December 2nd. Did you hear about Mimi Grain from Connor Goldstein and Josh Cornel?
• 29:44
  Tyler Johnson: corn.
• 29:45
  Phil: We're nearly gone.
• 29:45
  Tyler Johnson: Cornelian from Dark Lord. The L's blend together in my poor vision. And February 9th. Dread the Halls 2026 from Chris Royell and Jordan Hart, Chris Anderson, Drew Roush, Fabio Veras, Welby, from Image on December 2nd.
• 30:03
  Tyler Johnson: Eat Fighter from Fred Van Lenti.
• 30:06
  Tyler Johnson: Crystal Skillman, Fernando Pinto from Rocket Ship on December 9th.
• 30:11
  Tyler Johnson: Hitman, it was a 9-less special. It was the 90s special, excuse me. Garth Ennis, John McCrae, December 9th. I just announced that I could see better, and then I can't.
• 30:22
  Tyler Johnson: In Good Hands With Bad Company from Matt Rosenberg, Josh Hood, Stefano Landini, Jason Wordy from Image on December 9th.
• 30:32
  Tyler Johnson: John Le Carrere's The Circus, Losing Control from Matt Kint. Ibrahim Mustafa, David Laffem, from Dark Horse on February 9th.
• 30:42
  Tyler Johnson: Merciless from Mirka Endolfo, Lydia Bologna? Bolognini? From Image on December 2nd. The Patchwork Girl of Oz, Volume 2, awesome. From Otis Frampton and L. Frank Baum, that's on Image, December 9th.
• 31:02
  Tyler Johnson: No, December 15th, I jumped the line. The Princess Murders from Tony Fleeks and Tim Seeley, image from December 9th. Retirement Plan from Matt Kint, Juan Jose Reap.
• 31:14
  Tyler Johnson: From Bad Idea on December 9th, Weekly World News from Ken Christensen, Stephen Paul Rudd, Stephen Paul Judd, MK Parker, Perker, and Mad Cave on December 2nd.
• 31:26
  Tyler Johnson: White House Robot Romance.
• 31:29
  Tyler Johnson: From Chip Zdarsky, Rachel Stott from Distillery on February 23rd. Oh, and this one's gonna be awesome, because I love Mark Marin. What the Fuck is a podcast? Or WTF is a podcast with Mark Marin, Brian Cox Brown, front, and Brendan McDonald from Z2 on December 16th.
• 31:48
  Tyler Johnson: the act.
• 31:48
  Tad Eggleston: Box. Brown.
• 31:50
  Tyler Johnson: What did I say?
• 31:52
  Tad Eggleston: Cox.
• 31:53
  Tyler Johnson: Okay…
• 31:53
  Phil: Bum, bum, bum.
• 31:55
  Tyler Johnson: Brian Box. X-files from Johannes.
• 31:58
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't been a guest, Tyler.
• 32:00
  Tyler Johnson: R.D. Brown at Dynamite on December 9th. Hey, Brian, if you're listening, man, Brian Box Brown is an awesome name. The alliteration just got me, and I went Brian Cox Brown. I'm sorry. Crowdfunding, Tad? Who's got that one?
• 32:15
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna take this one, because we got some good stuff. We got Tezuka, God of Manga, from Jason Cohn, the… the…
• 32:24
  Tad Eggleston: Documentary, on Kickstarter through November 13th.
• 32:28
  Tad Eggleston: Sir Reginald and the Clockwork Heart, written by Joe Atala, with art from Junie Baugh, Jesse Lonergan, Demetrius Pontazes, Armand Bodnar from Goats Flying Press on Kickstarter through November 19th, Space Hell.
• 32:44
  Tad Eggleston: From Adam P. Knave, DJ Kirk Bride, and Philippe Sobrero, Frank Svett.
• 32:52
  Tad Eggleston: That comes…
• 32:53
  Phil: Civic.
• 32:54
  Tyler Johnson: I'm gonna be out here.
• 32:55
  Phil: The CV is a… is a chip sound.
• 32:57
  Tad Eggleston: Katkovic.
• 32:58
  Phil: Yes.
• 32:58
  Tad Eggleston: On Kickstarter through November 20th, and…
• 33:03
  Tad Eggleston: very aptly, and I swear to God, I didn't know that this was gonna launch when we scheduled our great responsibility for today.
• 33:11
  Phil: A likely story.
• 33:12
  Tad Eggleston: Afterlife with Archie Mausoleum Edition, Volume 1 from Francesco Frankavilla, and Oni Press is on Kickstarter.
• 33:21
  Tyler Johnson: I'm gonna have to… you guys, I've got the deluxe edition, this is the edition I read it out of.
• 33:25
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 33:26
  Tyler Johnson: And this thing is awesome. I can't imagine what the Mausoleum Edition looks like.
• 33:31
  Tad Eggleston: It's like an artist's edition.
• 33:33
  Phil: Okay.
• 33:33
  Tad Eggleston: It's like an oversized pet, you know… yeah.
• 33:36
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 33:38
  Phil: Jumbo. Jumbo oversized.
• 33:40
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, and launching soon is sink number 18, Pineapple from John Lee's and Alex Cormett at Comics Tribe. Phil, you want to tell us about some humble bundles?
• 33:50
  Phil: I guess so. First up, there's the Dynamite Trick or Treat Bundle, a little late for Halloween at this point, but it is $18 for 98 items, supporting the Hero Initiative.
• 34:02
  Phil: Through November 5th. Then there's the EC Archives Tales from the Crypt, and other stories from Dark Horse, slash EC. Another $18 will get you 19 items, supporting the Freedom to Read Foundation. That's through November 10th. Then there's Blue Lock, the perfect shot bundle from Kodansha. $30 gets you 45 items, supporting the Book Industry Charitable Foundation. That's running through November 13th.
• 34:26
  Phil: Then there's the Rick and Morty Forever Bundle, $25 for 47 items, supporting comic books for kids through November 17th, and the Vault Halloween Horror Bundle, $18 for 35 items, supporting Room to Read, and that's going through November 21st. Tad, what were your three amazing books this week?
• 34:47
  Tad Eggleston: There's so many good books this week, but, but, That Texas Blood, Hell Comes to Allison Ranch, number 2 from Chris Condon and Jacob Phillips, Fort Psycho, number 3 from Matt Kint and Brian Hurt, and Crimes Against Nature, number 2 from Elliot Rahal and Mattia…
• 35:04
  Tad Eggleston: Monaco kinda, stood above the… the pack.
• 35:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Tad Eggleston: How about you, Tyler?
• 35:12
  Tyler Johnson: Lots of other awesome books. Crimes Against Nature was.
• 35:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 35:15
  Tyler Johnson: I like it.
• 35:16
  Tad Eggleston: All three of yours.
• 35:17
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, but Denver, like I said, I'm reading Denver number 3 from Jimmy Polliot and Justin Gray, as well as Peter… Pierre Brito from Mad Cave. This one was awesome. I really loved where the story's going now, and like I said, it's a story about Denver having to have very strict rules with their
• 35:38
  Tyler Johnson: Community, and yeah, it's awesome.
• 35:41
  Tyler Johnson: The Beast of Borkin, number 3, from Julio Anta, Daniel Irizari from Dark Horse.
• 35:49
  Tyler Johnson: And then the big shakedown. I don't know if you guys have read this yet. I have, but The Big Shakedown…
• 35:53
  Tad Eggleston: It's really high on my list.
• 35:55
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, from Tim Seeley, Jordan Bloom, and Scott Koblish, also Dark Horse. So, this is an independent week for sure, for me. You know, I… you guys know I'.
• 36:04
  Tad Eggleston: No, X-Men?
• 36:06
  Tyler Johnson: No. No. Nothing good is happening in X-Men right now.
• 36:10
  Phil: -Oh.
• 36:11
  Tad Eggleston: The last time you missed, Tyler… er, Phil just put down X-Men, X-Men, X-Men for you.
• 36:16
  Phil: Yeah.
• 36:16
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, okay.
• 36:17
  Phil: I apologize if I mischaracterized your X-Men opinions.
• 36:21
  Tyler Johnson: No, no, there… it's just right now, the X-Men are really kind of drowning, trying to figure out what they want to do.
• 36:28
  Phil: Yeah, they're… the back… the Back to Basics is a…
• 36:30
  Tyler Johnson: There was a few…
• 36:31
  Phil: this done.
• 36:32
  Tyler Johnson: There was a few failed attempts after the, the wrap-up of the, Krakoa stuff, but in the last two years since then, it's been pretty hit or miss whether they're actually good stories or.
• 36:45
  Phil: I swear they've done, like, 3 or 4 crossovers, so that… They have.
• 36:49
  Tyler Johnson: It, yeah.
• 36:50
  Phil: That's a good sign, right?
• 36:51
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know, I'm not into it. I love the X-Men, I'm gonna keep reading, but I'm not into the story right now. Okay. Phil, what's a walk with Phil?
• 37:00
  Phil: Well, today is, the very last podcast that I will be recording from Nashville, because we are… we're gonna be… we're finally… the long, long-talked-about is finally happening, move to Cincinnati, you know?
• 37:13
  Phil: Which means I'm also, reuniting my comic book collection of, I gathered all that up from my parents' house, and, it's sitting in my car right now, until I can sell off about a third of it, and
• 37:27
  Phil: You know, and then, move on up north. Which means I also realized I… I am down to my last 5 issues of Spider-Man.
• 37:38
  Phil: Which… Feels weird to say, but also feels good to say.
• 37:44
  Phil: You know, not really intentionally, but you know…
• 37:47
  Tad Eggleston: I said, why are you getting rid of all your Spider-Man?
• 37:50
  Phil: Well, I… here's the thing, I had gotten rid of all of my Spider-Man before, and I… there was… basically, I had two miniseries left, and I decided to off one and keep the other.
• 38:00
  Phil: you know, if we weren't so pressed for time, I… I had a thought of, you know, getting you… getting you to try to guess which 5 issues it would be, but, you know, we're… we're kind of, we're kind of trying to run here.
• 38:11
  Tad Eggleston: Way, way, way too many Spider-Men to even begin.
• 38:15
  Phil: I could… I mean, I…
• 38:16
  Tyler Johnson: Are there… are they key issues… are they key issues?
• 38:18
  Phil: No. It's a miniseries. It's a miniseries that came out, within the past, 15 years. A writer that Tad loves, who has done almost no other work for Marvel, and an artist that I absolutely adore, who hasn't done enough work lately, but I think he has a new project coming out soon.
• 38:38
  Tad Eggleston: Is it the… is it the Matt Kent miniseries?
• 38:41
  Phil: Yep, yep.
• 38:42
  Tyler Johnson: What was… what's it called? I forgot.
• 38:44
  Phil: Marvel Knights Spider-Man.
• 38:46
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, that was really good.
• 38:47
  Phil: I'm a… I'm a huge fan of Marco Rudy, so it's one of those where I'm like, I gotta keep… I gotta keep it for Marco Rudy. And then, the other big comic reading news was I finished reading, Goodbye, Goodnight Pun Pun.
• 38:58
  Phil: So…
• 38:59
  Tad Eggleston: Good.
• 38:59
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, I read basically all of Volume 6 with my jaw on the floor. Shocked, stunned, heartbroken.
• 39:07
  Phil: And, yeah, and oddly enough, finished reading it, moments before meeting with a friend from my previous job, before going out of town too, so it was like a weird…
• 39:17
  Phil: Surreal little… little send-off.
• 39:19
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. Is it hard… been hard saying goodbye to people?
• 39:23
  Phil: A little bit. I mean, I've been doing it for pretty much my whole life. I grew up moving, we moved 7 times in 7 years when I was a kid, so… Yeah? So yeah, I kind of got used to saying goodbye to friends and people, and honestly, with the internet, it's easy to stay in touch now.
• 39:40
  Phil: You know.
• 39:41
  Tyler Johnson: Yum.
• 39:41
  Phil: Sure, we'll be…
• 39:42
  Tyler Johnson: Well, it's exciting, you're heading out to…
• 39:45
  Tyler Johnson: up to the Great White North.
• 39:48
  Phil: Huh?
• 39:49
  Tyler Johnson: Of course. But…
• 39:50
  Phil: Yeah. Well, I'm sure we'll get more snow than we do here, but hopefully, hopefully not Minnesota and Chicago levels.
• 39:58
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, Chicago being right on the lake there. I don't know, you guys got Lake Erie, though.
• 40:03
  Phil: Well, we're on a river, so Cincinnati is southernmost.
• 40:06
  Tad Eggleston: Lake Erie is Cleveland.
• 40:09
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 40:10
  Phil: Yeah.
• 40:10
  Tad Eggleston: Cincinnati is right across the river from Kentucky.
• 40:16
  Tyler Johnson: Okay. Okay. Okay. Alright.
• 40:19
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, so, anyway, let's, move on, guys, to your one-piece race, or Tad's One Piece race.
• 40:25
  Tyler Johnson: It's really Tad now.
• 40:26
  Tad Eggleston: I have… I have been becalmed.
• 40:28
  Tyler Johnson: Be calm. Okay. I have been calm.
• 40:30
  Phil: It's basically… it's basically Tad… Tad is, like, way out ahead. You're, like, 300 chapters back, and I'm just, like, I think I'm doing circles around him, but really, I'm just in a completely different archipelago, and, you know…
• 40:44
  Tyler Johnson: I love the… I love the language you're using and the… and the terms, yeah. It's great.
• 40:50
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 40:51
  Phil: brilliant stuff.
• 40:53
  Tyler Johnson: Great responsibility this week, is Afterlife with Archie. Tad and I covered this, a couple years ago, when we were into our Archie kick, and I think…
• 41:08
  Tad Eggleston: Did the first… ARC, though. Correct. We didn't manage to read all 10 issues.
• 41:14
  Phil: No, and isn't… it's still incomplete. Aren't there still two more issues to this next arc?
• 41:20
  Tad Eggleston: This is, this is something that I was gonna bring up.
• 41:24
  Phil: Sorry.
• 41:24
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, that's a good segue.
• 41:29
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if you guys noticed, but it… but it kind of fell… not… Done.
• 41:36
  Tyler Johnson: Well, the last issue is Sabrina, right?
• 41:39
  Tad Eggleston: Right. It was…
• 41:40
  Tyler Johnson: The Sabrina issue.
• 41:41
  Tad Eggleston: issue.
• 41:42
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 41:44
  Tad Eggleston: Well, not, not Sabrina, Josie and the Pussycats.
• 41:47
  Tyler Johnson: Josie, yep, Josie, yep.
• 41:50
  Tad Eggleston: More.
• 41:50
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, and her long life, yep.
• 41:53
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right.
• 41:54
  Tad Eggleston: So… I still don't completely know the story behind why they've been… off for so long? But…
• 42:08
  Tad Eggleston: two, two things are currently true. The first is that…
• 42:17
  Tad Eggleston: there is an Afterlife with Archie television series coming.
• 42:22
  Tad Eggleston: that.
• 42:23
  Tyler Johnson: Nice.
• 42:24
  Tad Eggleston: Roberto Aguiar Sacasa is a… is a writer on.
• 42:28
  Tad Eggleston: But also… As of earlier this year, according to…
• 42:39
  Tad Eggleston: Roberto's Instagram, they were officially back at work on continuing the series, francesco Francavilla was…
• 42:53
  Tad Eggleston: I think all the way through… Issue 12?
• 42:59
  Tad Eggleston: And Roberto was working on getting the script to issue 13 finalized.
• 43:06
  Tad Eggleston: As of a few months ago. So, no actual announcements regarding… No.
• 43:14
  Tad Eggleston: release yet?
• 43:16
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 43:17
  Phil: Still a heck of a break.
• 43:19
  Tad Eggleston: But… We did have… That hardcover, released this week.
• 43:27
  Tad Eggleston: And we did have the Kickstarter launch.
• 43:31
  Tad Eggleston: And we do have the TV show coming, so between those things, I think it's safe to say that it's likely very real,
• 43:44
  Tad Eggleston: That it's coming and coming sooner rather than later.
• 43:48
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Tad Eggleston: Because acting…
• 43:49
  Tyler Johnson: end of the pussycat issue. Like, all of the issues have been saying, like, for example, the Reggie issue, where he was,
• 43:59
  Tyler Johnson: Imagining that he's the one who brought the horses?
• 44:03
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 44:03
  Tyler Johnson: Okay. After that, it says, next, at last, Josie and the Pussycat. So we go to Josie, great, and then at the end of Josie, which was actually a quick, quite thick issue. It was. Yeah, we have The Wedding Crashers is next, so I'm not sure what that means, you know? I mean…
• 44:20
  Tad Eggleston: There have been covers for issues 11 and 12.
• 44:24
  Tyler Johnson: For 10 years?
• 44:25
  Tad Eggleston: This was done in Alt for 10 years, yeah.
• 44:28
  Tyler Johnson: Wow!
• 44:29
  Phil: I mean, the weird thing is, is that I remembered… so I bought at least Issue 1, maybe issue 2 as well, back when they came out, and I remembered the series getting into delays pretty quickly, because, like, I… I then missed…
• 44:46
  Phil: when it eventually picked back up again. I didn't look at publication dates for everything, but, but that was at least my memory of it. Yeah. And, like…
• 44:55
  Phil: I mean…
• 44:57
  Phil: it's… it's the kind of thing where I don't know what, the writer has had going on. I know…
• 45:05
  Phil: Francesco Francavilla has been pretty damn prolific working with Scott Snyder and James Tynan on
• 45:11
  Phil: you know, stuff at DC, as well as a couple of his own projects at Dark Horse and whatnot, you know, so it's like…
• 45:19
  Phil: I have to imagine that might have been part of the delay, but still 10 years! 10 years. It was kind of funny reading it, though, seeing, you know, as soon as I saw Veronica's dad, I was like, oh, that's Jim Gordon. But wait, no, that's not Jim Gordon. Right?
• 45:35
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, it looked just like Jim Gordon, except, you know, except not a nice Jim Gordon, it was like this…
• 45:40
  Phil: Dick.
• 45:40
  Tyler Johnson: one.
• 45:41
  Phil: It was definitely me and Jim Gordon. No, which, which kind of, like… so I love, I love Frank Villa's art,
• 45:47
  Tyler Johnson: Team.
• 45:48
  Phil: it's… I think he's… he's got a really unique style that, works super, super well, you know, in… in, like, an ongoing old movie poster sort of way.
• 45:59
  Tyler Johnson: this was Archie Cannon. Man, this would be so fun. Just to see.
• 46:03
  Phil: so…
• 46:03
  Tyler Johnson: Just to see Reggie so dark, you know what I mean? And you're like, what the… wow.
• 46:08
  Phil: But that's, that's the thing, is like…
• 46:10
  Phil: I don't know, I don't… I mean, for having… when it first came out, I remember really, really enjoying the series. And then, like, I think I just wasn't quite in the mood for it this time. It didn't grip me the same way, you know, coming back to something…
• 46:26
  Phil: over 10 years later, I guess we'll do that. But, like, one of the weirdest things… because, like, for me.
• 46:31
  Phil: And I know that there's, like, a whole industry and runs upon runs of modern Archie comics, but, like, it's hard for me to separate Archie from, like, the classic digest mode, you know?
• 46:48
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 46:49
  Phil: the 1950s art style, to the point where, like, you know, seeing the other characters, I, you know, I recognized most of them, and I was like, okay, yeah, there's, there's, you know, I felt like Jughead gets to look like Jughead, Betty and Veronica look like Betty and Veronica, but, like, Archie didn't look like himself.
• 47:07
  Phil: it was, like, a weird thing where I'm like, I don't know why, but just, like, the way… He didn't look like Archie? Yeah, I guess… I guess it's… maybe he was trying… they were trying to make him too handsome, or cool, or something, I don't know, but he just… he didn't look like himself. Whenever I saw his face, I was like.
• 47:23
  Tyler Johnson: Do you know, I'm.
• 47:24
  Phil: Why is he?
• 47:25
  Tyler Johnson: I am the opposite. I am enjoying the fact that they're getting out of the Digest, we'll call it, Digest Archie.
• 47:33
  Phil: It's totally fair.
• 47:34
  Tyler Johnson: You know, and they're… people are experimenting with the Archie IP.
• 47:41
  Tyler Johnson: creating a bigger world, you know? I felt like for so long, the 50s and 60s Archie's would… were just stuck in the same tropes of… I mean, yeah, still, we're still Betty or Veronica, Betty or Veronica, I get it, but…
• 47:55
  Phil: And I guess, I guess at that point, it's like.
• 47:57
  Phil: it was one of those things where I read it, and I'm like, alright, there's a whole damn zombie apocalypse going on, and Betty and Veronica are still fighting over Archie, you know, it's like…
• 48:06
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, but Archie made a choice this time. That doesn't happen.
• 48:10
  Phil: I know, I know that doesn't happen, but still, it's just one of those things that I'm like…
• 48:15
  Phil: It's just… I don't know, it was one of those things that… that it didn't… it wasn't… wasn't resonating with me in…
• 48:21
  Tyler Johnson: You know, and the other… I think the other part that really made it, for me, sell as a story was that Jughead is the least likely to be a,
• 48:33
  Tyler Johnson: the bad guy, you know?
• 48:35
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 48:36
  Tyler Johnson: he's least likely to be… and so, when he becomes the first zombie, patient zero, or I guess…
• 48:43
  Tyler Johnson: after Hot Dog, but still, you're like.
• 48:47
  Tyler Johnson: Wow, this is such a juxtaposition that now.
• 48:50
  Phil: Yeah.
• 48:50
  Tyler Johnson: we have to look at Jughead as the antagonist, and we're like.
• 48:55
  Tyler Johnson: It's just… it's just very weird as us, the reader, and I liked it.
• 48:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I… I loved the… the issue where Archie was… was talking to…
• 49:07
  Tyler Johnson: Jet Jughead?
• 49:08
  Tad Eggleston: Well.
• 49:09
  Phil: Like in The Shining, like the bartender, yeah.
• 49:12
  Tad Eggleston: Because, like, it… it emphasizes one of the few things that I ever
• 49:19
  Tad Eggleston: or have always loved about… I mean, as Tyler remembers, Tyler and I were both late to Archie comics. Like, we've both written them off for way too long, and we're still kind of discovering the ones that are actually good, good.
• 49:34
  Tyler Johnson: And you know what? The older stuff that I assumed I didn't like, it's not bad either, but it is… but it is…
• 49:40
  Tad Eggleston: There's the…
• 49:40
  Tyler Johnson: Same trope over and over.
• 49:42
  Phil: capsule.
• 49:43
  Tad Eggleston: And also, there's so much of it that, like…
• 49:47
  Tad Eggleston: For every good one, there are…
• 49:51
  Tad Eggleston: 10 blah ones, and finding it. I mean, that's why… I don't know, Tyler, did you pick up the… I mean, I so loved that they did this, because it's so, so along what we did. The hardcover…
• 50:08
  Tad Eggleston: copy of the decision, the Tom King and Dan parent has the decision, but then it has…
• 50:19
  Tad Eggleston: single Archie stories from through the years that they… that they picked, you know?
• 50:24
  Tyler Johnson: I love that, you know.
• 50:25
  Tad Eggleston: stories from… it's got the brush-off from 68, it's.
• 50:28
  Tyler Johnson: Didn't we talk about that with Tom?
• 50:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Tad Eggleston: We did.
• 50:33
  Tyler Johnson: That's over.
• 50:34
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, it's got the brush-off from 68, presenting Sabrina the Teenage Witch from 62, The Music Man from 69, T-Tempest from 1957, that's a little Archie.
• 50:48
  Tad Eggleston: Fight for the Privileged from 2000, Measure Up from 1964, Giving In from 1966, the Archie No. 1 from 2015, Water Rights.
• 50:59
  Tad Eggleston: From 1966, Who Me from 1965, Betty and Veronica, number 1, I think also from 2015. Isn't It Bromantic from 2010, Mr. Inverno from…
• 51:11
  Tad Eggleston: 1962, The Ghost of Dark Valley Manor, from 1971,
• 51:18
  Tad Eggleston: Afterlife with Archie, number one, Escape from Riverdale, I think we know that one.
• 51:24
  Tad Eggleston: and then the Devil's Triangle from 1975. So, like, it actually picks out some truly great
• 51:36
  Tad Eggleston: Archie stories from… from through the years.
• 51:39
  Tad Eggleston: And it allows for that better glimpse of…
• 51:49
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wait, there's… there's… there's gold.
• 51:52
  Tad Eggleston: hiding in this pile. And I think that that's Oni's plan, is to… To release much more…
• 52:04
  Tad Eggleston: curated collections.
• 52:07
  Tad Eggleston: to… to… to… Rather than mass…
• 52:13
  Tyler Johnson: But then… but then they go and do, like, a recent release is Archie vs. Terminator.
• 52:18
  Tyler Johnson: And… it's not awesome.
• 52:21
  Phil: You know…
• 52:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I mean, I didn't say that they weren't still gonna, like, do similar stuff.
• 52:29
  Phil: It's also possible that one was already in the works, and then just got carried over.
• 52:33
  Tad Eggleston: And, you know, Tyler, you know, as much as it might not be awesome, I haven't read it yet, like, who expected Archie vs. Predator to be awesome?
• 52:42
  Phil: I was gonna say.
• 52:43
  Tyler Johnson: True, that was really good, yeah.
• 52:45
  Phil: I'd be willing to read that for next week.
• 52:47
  Tyler Johnson: It's good.
• 52:48
  Phil: Like, you know… Right.
• 52:49
  Tyler Johnson: Should we do a follow-up, Archie vs. Predator?
• 52:51
  Phil: Right? Well, I guess that's…
• 52:53
  Tad Eggleston: We did talk pretty extensively about it way back when, and I think next week is technically…
• 53:00
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, when's your anniversary?
• 53:02
  Phil: It's, not next week, but the week after. It's the 13th. 13th and November.
• 53:08
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, so, Tyler, are we gonna celebrate our anniversary on the 8th or the 15th?
• 53:18
  Tyler Johnson: Let's go 15th.
• 53:19
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 53:21
  Tad Eggleston: then… then we can do whatever for next week, but we gotta… we gotta figure out something good for 2 weeks from now, when we end Year 5 and start Season 6.
• 53:35
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, I mean, I…
• 53:38
  Tad Eggleston: This is definitely one of the books that has made me appreciate Archie more.
• 53:43
  Tad Eggleston: Because I don't feel like they stepped too far out of the care. I mean, that's…
• 53:50
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, it's like…
• 53:52
  Phil: True.
• 53:53
  Tad Eggleston: The fact that they can do something this… this great…
• 53:57
  Tad Eggleston: And have me still go, oh no, this is Archie.
• 54:00
  Phil: It is, it is.
• 54:01
  Tad Eggleston: Makes me go, oh, I really need to read more Archie, because… because it's not like they just took the cutouts…
• 54:10
  Tad Eggleston: and created this cool thing, and rewrote all the characters. No. It's… they… they took some solid characters to…
• 54:20
  Tad Eggleston: this cool thing, which means that, like, I want to go back and know the things that inspired them.
• 54:27
  Phil: Yeah, I guess, for me, I guess part of what… I don't remember if I read
• 54:33
  Phil: I think I might have read this first.
• 54:35
  Phil: I, I, so what I'm thinking of now is, criminal lasts of the innocent.
• 54:41
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 54:41
  Phil: Where that was Brubaker and Phillips doing a riff on…
• 54:48
  Phil: Archie. And so that really struck me and was like, wow, this is really interesting. And I think I'm just at a point where I would rather see people do stuff like that, stuff that's like, hey, this is inspired by Archie, and, like, winking, like, these are similar characters, but not literally the…
• 55:06
  Phil: the same IP, you know? It's like…
• 55:10
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 55:10
  Phil: And it's really… it's a really fine line.
• 55:12
  Tad Eggleston: I guess… I guess my response to that is, do you want DC to start… stop doing Elseworlds work, too?
• 55:19
  Phil: Not all of it, but…
• 55:23
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… I mean, we're not required…
• 55:26
  Tad Eggleston: We're not required to read it all, but, like.
• 55:29
  Phil: Yeah.
• 55:30
  Tad Eggleston: This is a way to bring your IP to different audiences, this is a way to give writers and artists paying gigs. I'm never gonna be upset that something exists.
• 55:45
  Tad Eggleston: Oh…
• 55:46
  Phil: I will admit that I do occasionally get upset that some things exist. This is not one of them, but it has happened before.
• 55:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. No, I… I have trouble getting upset that things exist.
• 55:57
  Tad Eggleston: At least things that aren't in and of themselves, like, hateful or bigoted.
• 56:02
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 56:04
  Tad Eggleston: You know, in the… in the, oh, it's… it's garbage vein. I have trouble…
• 56:10
  Phil: And that's… that's… that's also… I'm not calling… I don't want to call.
• 56:13
  Tad Eggleston: No, I know, I know that you're not. I know that you're not. I'm, I'm…
• 56:17
  Tad Eggleston: But this, I… I gotta disagree with you. I mean, this…
• 56:20
  Phil: That's fair.
• 56:20
  Tad Eggleston: This is…
• 56:21
  Phil: Very much.
• 56:22
  Tad Eggleston: This is brilliant.
• 56:23
  Phil: It's… and I'm not even… and that's the thing.
• 56:25
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm really looking forward to seeing more.
• 56:28
  Phil: it's a… it's a good example of, like, you know… I mean, I'm thankful that it exists. I think that… I think that, you know, conceptually it's very interesting. I think they did a really good job with, you know, doing a zombie apocalypse with the Archie characters. It's just, personal taste-wise, it's… it's so… it's so difficult
• 56:48
  Phil: to articulate… I'd call it, like, It's like the…
• 56:52
  Phil: it's like the Watchmen line, of when do you want to see a story done with the literal characters
• 56:59
  Phil: that, you know, that they were meant to be, versus when do you want to see knockoffs, you know? It's like, it's… it's… because Watchmen made
• 57:09
  Phil: different versions of the characters that, you know, it wasn't originally supposed to be, versus something like Peter Cannon Thunderbolt that was like, no, no, no, we're gonna… we're gonna use this source material character. And it's… it's one of those… it's a very, like…
• 57:24
  Phil: I don't have a formula for it, I don't even really have a full standard. It's kind of a case-by-case basis, whether, like, yeah, I think for Archie stuff, for me in particular, I just… I… I… it's been a while since I've read Last of the Innocent, but, like.
• 57:38
  Phil: For me, that was…
• 57:40
  Phil: that was like, okay, yeah, I really, I really appreciate it, really gravitated towards it, and admittedly, when I first read this, I really loved it too, but coming back to it, it…
• 57:51
  Phil: it tastes a little different. So, you know, it's… I will fully admit this is a me problem. This is not a problem with the book at all.
• 58:01
  Tyler Johnson: Well, I do see what you're saying, but I kind of feel the opposite. I like the way that they've gone with Archie, but I do see what you're saying.
• 58:13
  Tyler Johnson: Well, you guys, I need to, get rolling here.
• 58:17
  Tad Eggleston: Let's wrap.
• 58:18
  Phil: bacon.
• 58:19
  Tyler Johnson: I'm stretching my back.
• 58:22
  Phil: The hope will be spectacular.
• 58:23
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I'm gonna start with some books that I know are spectacular, starting with Archie in Hell number 1 from Patrick Horvath and Tyler Crook.
• 58:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 58:35
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 58:35
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think this book would actually exist without Afterlife with Archie, so, I mean, that's another reason, and this is really good. Mind Management New and Improved, number 5 from Matt Kint, also very, very good. I've mentioned it before, because it came out digitally already, Titan sometimes winds up having a
• 58:55
  Tad Eggleston: go that way, but apparently it's finally hitting stores this week. Moon Eaters by Victor Santos.
• 59:01
  Tad Eggleston: Titan was a fantastic graphic novel, and I can't even begin to…
• 59:09
  Tad Eggleston: describe how amazing No One Escapes the Dialectic with Spencer from Spencer Ackerman and Antonio Fuso is. You owe it to yourself to pick it up and read it. My… my recent interview with… with Spencer will go live on Wednesday morning. You should listen to that.
• 59:29
  Tad Eggleston: yeah, I just… I can't… I can't say enough good things about that. Continuing with number ones, we have Mad Science Division from Dan Waters and Brian Lovell at Ignition. Rip Kirby, number one, from
• 59:41
  Tad Eggleston: Christopher Cabello and Tango at Mad Cave, and Gangs of Gotham No. 1 from Chris Cantwell and Mike Henderson at
• 59:52
  Tad Eggleston: DC Comics. Tyler, you excited for anything?
• 59:57
  Tyler Johnson: I haven't really looked ahead to next week yet. I've got all my stuff… I'll show you here all of my stuff.
• 1:00:04
  Tad Eggleston: fair.
• 1:00:05
  Tyler Johnson: still in packages for this week. I have not opened anything, so… And I… Being that busy…
• 1:00:11
  Tad Eggleston: The life of a shop owner.
• 1:00:13
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, and so I don't usually look ahead, because I get the packages, turn them over to me, like, oh, yay, sweet!
• 1:00:22
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 1:00:24
  Tad Eggleston: Bill, you're a giant-sized trade waiter, or graphic novel pick?
• 1:00:28
  Phil: I'm going with Alva in the Dark from Axel Dudskarth and Daniel Hansen from Titan Comics. Just the… don't know much about it, but the cover looks fascinating, and the story sounds really interesting, so… that's what I'm going with.
• 1:00:44
  Tad Eggleston: Cool, cool. Tyler?
• 1:00:45
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome.
• 1:00:46
  Tad Eggleston: Take us out?
• 1:00:47
  Tyler Johnson: I do. Thanks for listening, everybody, and we will catch you after the next page. Later!
• 1:00:54
  Phil: Ray…