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Ohio parents charged after Boy OD’s on heroin · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Night one, for some reason, does not breathing. How old
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Speaker 1: is he, babe? I don't think you're breathing. Seven years old?
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Speaker 1: Not breathing? And Maria. They live in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Charles Dowdy and
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Speaker 1: Danielle Simcoe are charged with child endangerment and drug possession.
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Speaker 1: You're not breathing. Hospital staff found a small bag of
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Speaker 1: heroin and prescription pills tucked into a sock. A urine
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Speaker 1: test showed there was evidence of heroin in the boys system.
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Speaker 1: Charles Dowdy and Danielle Simco whim not guilty to child
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Speaker 1: endangering during a video arrangement, Okay Sana with me? Okay
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Speaker 1: you aftdr A father antic calls nine one one to
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Speaker 1: save his eight year old little boy. E m ts
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Speaker 1: race to the scene to try and save the child.
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Speaker 1: What happened? Did he go underwater in the bathtub? Did
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Speaker 1: he fall down the steps? Did he choke on a
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Speaker 1: hot dog? What? What went wrong? No? The eight year
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Speaker 1: old little boy the E m t s tried to
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Speaker 1: save had an overdose of heroin and overdose of heroin.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us and I want justice. And right off
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Speaker 1: off your awesome home security system. And now the story
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Charles Dowdy and Dan Yells Simcoe. These two,
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Speaker 1: these parents stand by their son, stops breathing. The eight
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Speaker 1: year old child desperately attended to by E. M. T. S.
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Speaker 1: Guess what else? They found prescription pills and a bag
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Speaker 1: of heroin stuffed in the boy's sock. The dad says
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Speaker 1: he admits to taking drugs in the house earlier that day,
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Speaker 1: police find drugs and syringeous strown about the home. The
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Speaker 1: parents of this little eight year old boy. Many people
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Speaker 1: arguing this isn't their fault. I say, b s. We
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Speaker 1: have to throw the book at him. Throw the book.
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Speaker 1: Do I want this boy in foster care? No? I
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Speaker 1: do not. Do I want him sent away raised by
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Speaker 1: people not his own family, No, I do not. Do
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Speaker 1: you know much? It would kill me, kill me to
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Speaker 1: think my children were being raised by strangers, Although they
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Speaker 1: may be loving and caring or maybe not, but no,
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Speaker 1: this is not okay. This little boy oded on heroin.
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Speaker 1: If you could see the mug shots of these two,
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Speaker 1: not a tear in their eyes, both parents allegedly high.
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Speaker 1: I wish you could see them in court. I mean
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Speaker 1: they're sitting The dad's sitting there looking all surly with
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Speaker 1: his arms crossed, the mom not shedding a tear. You
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Speaker 1: know they don't care. And look, I get it. Drug
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Speaker 1: addiction is horrible. Alcohol addiction horrible. It's like you can't
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Speaker 1: beat it. But you bring a child into the scenario
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Speaker 1: and the child o d s on heroin. Despite the
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Speaker 1: MTS best efforts, nothing could stop this child from odeon
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Speaker 1: on heroin. The dad says, I think he was sleep
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Speaker 1: eping and I think what happened was he rolled over
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Speaker 1: and I don't think he could breathe. I think it
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Speaker 1: was just like in the pillow and he suffocated. Oh really, well,
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Speaker 1: that's not what the blood tests show. He also tells
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Speaker 1: the police dispatcher his son was seven. The boy is eight.
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Speaker 1: My children are nine. Their d o b Is eleven
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Speaker 1: oh four oh seven. The happiest day of my life.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't even know how old as child is paramedics arrived,
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Speaker 1: the boy was rushed to Southwest General Medical Center. That's
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Speaker 1: where they find out he had odd on heroin. Hospital
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Speaker 1: staff not police, found the pills and the heroine hidden
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Speaker 1: inside a toy watch in the boy's sock, according to
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Speaker 1: w k y C hospital staff. So there's not gonna
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Speaker 1: be a claim at trial that the police planted this evidence.
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Speaker 1: And they don't even need that evidence at trial. The
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Speaker 1: boys blood and urine tell it all. I don't need
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Speaker 1: the toy watch stuffed with prescription peels and heroin. The Duke,
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke joining me. You know what, Alan John David
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Speaker 1: my son collects watches, Okay, they can be the ones
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Speaker 1: from McDonald's. Santa brought him one for Christmas that had
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Speaker 1: the joker on the front. I mean, he has all
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Speaker 1: kind of crazy watches that you know, come in Happy
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Speaker 1: Meal toys and this and that, and he loves everyone dearly.
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Speaker 1: He likes to take things apart and put them back together.
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Speaker 1: The thought never occurred to me, Hey, that's an awesome
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Speaker 1: place to stash my heroin and sticking at my son's sock.
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Speaker 1: What's up with that heroin? That's all you've got to say, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what's happy that. Yeah, it's bizarre. No, it's not just bizarre, Alan,
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Speaker 1: It is a crime. It is a crime. This is,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, an extreme and aggravated, aggravated assault on
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Speaker 1: a child, you know. And here we are in the suburbs,
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Speaker 1: a nice little white house painted with the American flag
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Speaker 1: in the front. Oh yeah, the American flags hanging in
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Speaker 1: the front. The lawn is nice and green and mode
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Speaker 1: and trim. And it's not just daddy. It's not just daddy.
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Speaker 1: Mommy too, Okay, Alan, I'm expecting a little more from
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Speaker 1: you than Wow, that's bizarre. You know what. You need
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Speaker 1: to go have another bowl of Grandola. Okay, don't eat that,
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Speaker 1: it's grits this morning. Don't even try to play kate me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not listening. If you're not pod about this, then
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm flying to California and kicking your booty all
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Speaker 1: over the house. That should be fun. Listening to the
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Speaker 1: nine one one call convinces me that, yes, this father,
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Speaker 1: despite being apparently a drug addict and being a very
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Speaker 1: irresponsible parent, does care and love for his child. Because
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Speaker 1: you hear the panic and you hear the concern. Despite
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Speaker 1: all of that, you hear this on this audio. Let's
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Speaker 1: we were about this and nine one call. I've asked
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Speaker 1: to calm down for a moment. Okay, catching my breath here,
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Speaker 1: let's hear the nine one one. Okay, don't get me
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Speaker 1: t jack cup. I've only had two cups of tea already. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so god, let's hear it. Nine one one. What's the
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Speaker 1: address of your emergency? Um? What? Milton? Okay? What's going
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Speaker 1: on there? For some reason? My son's not breathing? How
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Speaker 1: old is he? He's seven, babe, I don't think he's breathing.
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Speaker 1: Seven years old, not breathing? And Maria on four or
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Speaker 1: four miltons? Yes, okay, stay on this song with me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you guys want to do CPR? Yeah, okay, do you
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Speaker 1: know how to do? Where? Do you need me to
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Speaker 1: give you direction? Babe? He's not breathing, move move, hold on,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to okay hello, nay one one? Yes, I
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Speaker 1: just called, I'm sorry, Okay, that's okay. Is he not
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Speaker 1: breathing for sure, he's not breathing. Okay, you want to
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Speaker 1: start CPR, yeah, okay. Is he choking on anything? I
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Speaker 1: think he was leaping and I think what happened is
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Speaker 1: he rolled over and I don't think he could breathe.
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Speaker 1: I think he was like in the pillow and he
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Speaker 1: was like suffocated. Okay. Can you get him flat on
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Speaker 1: his back on the floor or on a hard surface,
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Speaker 1: on a hard surface on the floor, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
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Speaker 1: Put the heel of your hand on the center of
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Speaker 1: his chest, right between his nipples, okay, and then put
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Speaker 1: your other hand on top of that and pushed down
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Speaker 1: hardened sast at least two inches in depths. Okay, and
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Speaker 1: just keep doing that. Try to pump twice every second
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Speaker 1: for at least a hundred compressions per minute. Is he
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Speaker 1: making any kind of noise he is? Yeah, okay, put
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Speaker 1: your face down to his um or mouth and see
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Speaker 1: if he's breathing. What kind of noise is he making?
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like what noise noise? He kind of sound
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Speaker 1: like he's gurgling. Yeah, okay, keep doing the compressions and
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Speaker 1: if you get tired, if there's somebody there that can
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Speaker 1: take over when you get tired, But just keep doing it.
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Speaker 1: The squad should be there any minute. Open the door.
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Speaker 1: They're here, ma'am. Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and hang up.
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Speaker 1: Keep doing it until they walk in, Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: by bye. Yeah he sounds frantic. Yes he cares, But
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Speaker 1: mommy and Daddy didn't care enough to get the heroine
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Speaker 1: out of the house so their kids couldn't get it.
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Speaker 1: Eight years old? Eight You know what, and you were
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Speaker 1: looking at this neighborhood and you had the same immediate
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Speaker 1: reaction that I did. Tell me, it's a beautiful, clean neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Every house practically on the street has an American flag
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Speaker 1: on the front door. The very house, now I got.
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Speaker 1: I got the address off the police report, which we
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Speaker 1: have a copy of, and I'm looking at it. The
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Speaker 1: lawn is manicured. It's just a lovely place you would
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Speaker 1: think to bring up a little kid. He's got a
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Speaker 1: yard to play in. It is a safe looking area. Okay,
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Speaker 1: now listen, I want to tell you something else. Okay.
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Speaker 1: My husband, David is a deal guy. He's a business major.
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Speaker 1: Blah blah, blah blah. So that's what he does. He
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Speaker 1: owns a small business, a guy that he was doing
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Speaker 1: business with. Really nice family, you know, no problems ever
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Speaker 1: that we know of. All the kids went to a
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Speaker 1: fancy school. You know, they're in church every Sunday. Never
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Speaker 1: had a peep of trouble. Beautiful home, lovely wife. The sun.
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Speaker 1: Was an athlete in school, you know, varsity athlete. Bam.
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Speaker 1: He odd on heroin, No clue, and it's the new cocaine.
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Speaker 1: It's like taking over. It's scary, scary. I'm trying my best,
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Speaker 1: Alan and judge me. Judge me if you want, Mock
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Speaker 1: me if you want. I'm trying to brainwash the children
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Speaker 1: now about drugs and alcohol. And let me tell you
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Speaker 1: how I started. I never let them watch the HLN show.
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Speaker 1: So one night I turned it on mute, a replay
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Speaker 1: of it on mute, and let them see a portion
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Speaker 1: of it where I needither be nothing like you know,
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Speaker 1: dead bodies or anything gruesome. On Ethan Couch, the Affluence
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Speaker 1: a team that I believe it went. He killed for
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Speaker 1: people driving drunk and permanently paralyzed a fifth And as
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Speaker 1: part of my effort, I'll let them say say, this kid,
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Speaker 1: you know, was driving drunk. He had drink alcohol, and
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Speaker 1: that's what happened. So I'm trying to brainwash them now
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Speaker 1: so you know, when the time comes and people at
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Speaker 1: school or wherever they maybe offer them drugs or alcohol,
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Speaker 1: they have the backbone to say no until they're an adult.
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Speaker 1: Then if they want to drink alcohol as an adult,
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Speaker 1: you know, I can't stop that, but I can try
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Speaker 1: to stop it now. So I'm just sick about this.
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Speaker 1: I'm just sick about it. Let's hope this heroin infant
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Speaker 1: on al thing passes, But let me tell you how
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Speaker 1: bad it's getting, just in the neighborhood. Fentanyl, fentanyl, you
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Speaker 1: know what You've got to get down with it? Duke fentanyl?
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Speaker 1: What are you reading out of? Like, um, what is
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Speaker 1: the book with all the medications? I wouldn't know how
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Speaker 1: to order this from my drug fentyl fentyl. Let's hope
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Speaker 1: that this heroin infantinel thing passes before long because it
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Speaker 1: has gotten so bad. I'm looking at the statistics from
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Speaker 1: the Cuihoga County, Ohio Medical Examiner's Office. They had sixty
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Speaker 1: four people die of overdoses in two thousand and eleven.
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Speaker 1: Two thousand and sixteen. It's over five hundred. This is
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Speaker 1: how bad it was in January when this incident happened.
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Speaker 1: The first four days of January, they had twenty four
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Speaker 1: overdose deaths in that county. They had as many as
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Speaker 1: fifty seven. They're still waiting on toxicology test fifty seven
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Speaker 1: for the whole month. One weekend last month, they had
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Speaker 1: fourteen overdose deaths from these drugs in this one county,
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Speaker 1: you know, this suburb is just a little southwest of Cleveland,
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Speaker 1: where they found the child unresponsive in the living room
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Speaker 1: and his father over him doing chest compressions. The boy
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Speaker 1: was immediately raced to the hospital. These two and syringes
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Speaker 1: all over the properly acted like they had no idea
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Speaker 1: what had happened. In fact, the dad told police he
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Speaker 1: and Simcoe, the wife the mother, had been in bed
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Speaker 1: with their son when they noticed his lips were turning blue. Okay,
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call, as you heard, is horrible
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Speaker 1: to hear. He's pleading frantically and shouting at a nearby woman,
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Speaker 1: yelling hurry, hurry, move, move. And I do think that
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Speaker 1: he cares. I'm not saying he doesn't care for his son.
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Speaker 1: He I believe cares for his son. It's just that
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Speaker 1: he has heroin and syringes in the home and is statching,
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Speaker 1: stashing heroine, and his son suck. So he can't have
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Speaker 1: the children back. He can't have his child, He can't
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Speaker 1: have any children in the home period. Right now, they're
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Speaker 1: both charged with child endangerment. They're being held on a
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Speaker 1: hundred fifty thousand dollar bond translation fifteen thousand dollars, because
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Speaker 1: that's all you gotta put up ten percent. They were
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Speaker 1: arraigned and charged. So what is going to happen now?
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Speaker 1: What's gonna before we get into the big picture of
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Speaker 1: the heroine epidemic in our country, what are we going
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Speaker 1: to do with these two? What will happen to them?
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Speaker 1: They were in court yesterday and for their arraignment. They
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Speaker 1: were indicted by a grand jury last week. But not
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Speaker 1: only child endangerment, but they also face, appropriately enough, a
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Speaker 1: drug charge. Well, the thing about arraignment, an arraignment, it
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Speaker 1: sounds so formal. What it is is after you have
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Speaker 1: been formally indicted by a grand jury. A grand jury
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Speaker 1: simply a group of citizens, usually voters. In my old jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: where I presented to the grand jury. There about forty
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Speaker 1: three or so people in there. We would meet two
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Speaker 1: times a week and I'd present somewhere between a hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty and two hundred cases a morning. You only
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Speaker 1: have to put up one witness can be the cop
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Speaker 1: on the scene. Hearsay is allowed, and they only have
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Speaker 1: one decision, true bill or no bill? Is there just
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Speaker 1: enough evidence for this to go to a pettit jury
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Speaker 1: which is a jury of six or twelve to make
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Speaker 1: a decision. They can hear a case in five minutes.
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Speaker 1: The cop comes in and goes, this is what we found.
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Speaker 1: There's no They can ask questions if they want to,
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Speaker 1: but this is not adjudicating someone guilty or innocent. It's
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Speaker 1: a threshold decision. Is there or not? Are there enough
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Speaker 1: facts just for this to go to a jury to
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Speaker 1: decide and they are then depart. If it is a
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Speaker 1: true bill, they go The person goes to arrayment, which
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Speaker 1: means they go in front of a judge and they're
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Speaker 1: formally read the indictment in open court. If they have
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, the lawyers there. If they cannot afford one,
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Speaker 1: the state gives them a lawyer free of charge. Do
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Speaker 1: we know anything about these parents, alan were there priors
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Speaker 1: on them, had they been in trouble before. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what the charge was, but I'm looking at the
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Speaker 1: police report that was filed after the incident, and the
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Speaker 1: father was also detained in custody on a prior felony
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Speaker 1: warrant from another jurisdiction. I don't know what that was about.
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Speaker 1: Here's another clue from the police report. They confiscated a
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Speaker 1: spoon with mac and cheese. Now is that a clue
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Speaker 1: as to how this child might have ingested this heroin
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Speaker 1: a spoon with mac and cheese. Of course, they found
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Speaker 1: the drugs in his sock, in his watch, and had
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Speaker 1: a spoon with mac and cheese. So I can just
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Speaker 1: imagine somehow this child got heroin in his mac and cheese.
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Speaker 1: It had to be enough to o d M though,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know that it was just in the
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Speaker 1: mac and cheese. It had to be enough to o
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Speaker 1: d M. Well, you can't imagine that they actually used
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Speaker 1: a syringe on this child. I mean, they this was
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Speaker 1: not something that they intended to have And obviously from
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Speaker 1: what you hear on the nine one one call, and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't even sound like the dad knew why his
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Speaker 1: son's lips were turning blue. Well, Alan, you're you're leading
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Speaker 1: me to say something. I don't mean to sound like
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Speaker 1: I have no empathy for people on drugs. When I
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Speaker 1: was prosecuting, I tried everything I could with no money.
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Speaker 1: The system has no money. The politicians make sure they
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Speaker 1: suck up all the money for rehab to go to
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Speaker 1: um a clinic, a lockdown clinic where they can't get
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Speaker 1: away and they have to go through rehab. I tried
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Speaker 1: everything there was to help addicts, and there was precious
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Speaker 1: little in our criminal justice system. I mean in our country,
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Speaker 1: the greatest country in the world. The money politicians love
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Speaker 1: to announce this new anti drug law and that new
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Speaker 1: and oh, we're finding the war on drugs. They say that,
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Speaker 1: and they do pass the laws, but they don't fund them.
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Speaker 1: So they could pass a law for there to be
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Speaker 1: a new rehab clinic in every county in your state,
21:05
Speaker 1: but if they don't give it any money out of
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Speaker 1: their fat cat budget, then it never happens. The laws
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Speaker 1: just sit on the books, and so many times the
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Speaker 1: way people would have to wait in jail nine months,
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Speaker 1: ten months, a year before they could get a spot
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Speaker 1: in a clinic. Or a halfway house where they could
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Speaker 1: get drug treatment. And they'd rather just take you know,
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Speaker 1: a year in jail and be out of five months.
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Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't stop him now if they were dealing,
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Speaker 1: if they had more than a couple of hits, if
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Speaker 1: they had a gun with them, they'd have to go
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Speaker 1: to jail. Bam, in a story. Can't help that. But
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Speaker 1: if they were a user, I would try everything to
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Speaker 1: get them help. So to me, depending on their record,
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Speaker 1: I think these parents need help badly to get off heroin.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they meant this to happen to their child.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if jail is the right answer for them,
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Speaker 1: but I know that they can't have their kid back.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we can't gamble with the future of a
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Speaker 1: child hoping the parent can rehabilitate. I mean, just think
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Speaker 1: that your drug addiction cost you your child forever forever.
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Speaker 1: Never will you have it again. You'll never put it
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Speaker 1: to bed, you'll never give it a bath, you'll never
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Speaker 1: take it to school. Nothing, no more Christmas, East or
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Speaker 1: nothing is over. Just like that, Bam, you lost your child.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I could live with it. I do
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Speaker 1: not think I could live with it. I always say,
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Speaker 1: just go lay me on the railroad track and call
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Speaker 1: the train. I just could not live if anything happened
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Speaker 1: to my children. I don't know. When they come down
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Speaker 1: off their hair win high and they realize that they
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Speaker 1: don't have their son anymore. Gosh, what a punishment, Ellen,
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Speaker 1: What a horrible punishment. I'm trying to say. They want
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Speaker 1: to add to that that following in because there's nothing
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Speaker 1: to say after that. Yeah, they need jail, yeah, but
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Speaker 1: just the thought of losing your child forever. I mean,
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Speaker 1: maybe they don't care. I don't know, But when I
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Speaker 1: listen to that number one call, I think he does care.
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Speaker 1: I think they do care. They're addicts. I don't know
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Speaker 1: the answer, and I don't have the answer, but I
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Speaker 1: know this, They're going to be separated from their child forever,
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Speaker 1: which to me would be a living hell. You know,
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Speaker 1: being with us. Goodbye friend.