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#014 __Running for Good · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Slightly before my teenage.
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  Speaker 2: Years, I developed a problem. I was in and out
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  Speaker 2: of hospital standing here in operations. I was told I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't walk again properly, let alone, we'd be able to
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  Speaker 2: do supporting activities, especially things like running. I was gonna
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  Speaker 2: be registered disabled at one point cause it looked so hopeless.
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  Speaker 1: That was an incredibly challenging time.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely know what it's like to suffer myself, so
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  Speaker 2: I can relate to it with other beings, whether they
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  Speaker 2: be human or not.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not really easy when you've been told you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to walk again, to be out there doing
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  Speaker 3: now that's never rasy. And this is the one race
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  Speaker 3: you have to pay insurance for repatriation if you die.
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  Speaker 4: This is not a homogenized race that's constructed in order
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  Speaker 4: to make it nice.
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  Speaker 5: It's scary. You know, you walk in there and you're
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  Speaker 5: sleeper if you don't, if these other alive.
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  Speaker 2: I am trying to do something positive with my running.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not just owt eyeing a p trophy or thinking
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  Speaker 2: I need to get my time down. I'm doing this
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  Speaker 2: with a reason, and it isn't any of those things.
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  Speaker 6: In the Sahara Desert, one of the most extreme races
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  Speaker 6: in the world takes place Marathon des Sable, the Marathon
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  Speaker 6: of Sand, traversing over two hundred and fifty kilometers across
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  Speaker 6: sand dunes, mountain ranges, dry lakes, and abandoned villages of
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  Speaker 6: North Africa. Maraton de Sable is roughly the equivalent of
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  Speaker 6: six marathons back to back. Competitors are required to be
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  Speaker 6: self sufficient, carrying all food and necessary equipment over the
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  Speaker 6: course of six days to reach the finish line. Available
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  Speaker 6: water is carefully rationed at checkpoints throughout the days, and
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  Speaker 6: nights are spent in open air tent.
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  Speaker 7: Bivouax along the route.
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  Speaker 6: With daytime temperatures reaching fifty degrees celsius, the threat to
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  Speaker 6: human health is very real.
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  Speaker 7: In previous years.
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  Speaker 6: Runners have died in their attempt to complete this grueling event.
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  Speaker 6: It has been called the toughest foot race on Earth.
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  Speaker 7: Fionna, how do you feel.
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  Speaker 1: Overwhelmed?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you strike me as a very.
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  Speaker 6: Sort of unassuming, self deprecating personality who appreciates your privacy
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  Speaker 6: and your anonymity. So I'm wondering what the experience was
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  Speaker 6: like for you to see your story written large on
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  Speaker 6: such a gigantic screen.
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  Speaker 7: With all of these people here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's the first time I've seen it. As you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of emotional, a bit painful sometimes that the
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  Speaker 2: desert bits are always just funny because I just know
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  Speaker 2: how ridiculous that whole concept of that race is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because sometimes like did I do that? Or is
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  Speaker 1: it a dream?
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  Speaker 2: But I obviously did do it because it's there, or
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  Speaker 2: unless it's photoshopped, but you know, yeah, it's just a
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  Speaker 2: complete will mean I've done nothing special. I'm nothing special.
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  Speaker 2: I've literally where.
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  Speaker 7: Does this self deprecating nature come from?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's actually I truly believe it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the vastness of the problem I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to address I and I realize that I'm very insignificant
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  Speaker 2: and it would be wrong for me to not stand
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  Speaker 2: by and do all that I can.
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  Speaker 1: But it never seems to be enough.
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  Speaker 2: Because, as I say, it's there's just so much more
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  Speaker 2: I want to do, so much more that needs doing
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  Speaker 2: that I haven't got time to sit back and congratulates
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  Speaker 2: because I've literally got nothing to congratulate myself over that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, these are little battles. The war is not won,
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  Speaker 2: and that's how I feel.
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  Speaker 8: Fiona is. She's so pure that she's just doing it
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  Speaker 8: like everything from her heart.
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  Speaker 4: She's not defined by a physical condition, she doesn't define
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  Speaker 4: herself by her extraordinary running. She does this completely selflessly
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  Speaker 4: for her her unpassionate belief about her paganism and about
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  Speaker 4: her animal sanctuary.
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  Speaker 5: Pardon. What makes her so incredible is that she's just
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  Speaker 5: so humbled.
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  Speaker 9: Her life and her work with the animals with a
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  Speaker 9: sanctuary drives her. It gives her a focus for her running.
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  Speaker 8: For so many reasons. I want Fiona to succeed in
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  Speaker 8: her running and her advocacy.
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  Speaker 10: I think sometimes people look at individuals like Fiona is like, oh,
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  Speaker 10: they're superhuman. Maybe she does have some genetic abilities that
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  Speaker 10: have helped her, but she's got an incredible amount of will,
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  Speaker 10: and she's a great example for what you can continue
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  Speaker 10: to do throughout a lifetime.
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  Speaker 6: I'm interested in hearing a little bit more, learning a
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  Speaker 6: little bit more about how you think about the connection
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  Speaker 6: between running and the advocacy work that you do that's
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  Speaker 6: so important to you. How did that come about and
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  Speaker 6: how do you sort of contemplate how the running serves
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  Speaker 6: your greater interests.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I decided with the running, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do anything kind of eighty percent.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be full on.
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  Speaker 2: Bearing in mind the pivotal core of my life is
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  Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty plus rescued animals that I care for.
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  Speaker 2: So if I'm going to do something, I'm detracting from
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  Speaker 2: the time I'm spending with them. I'm taking energy away
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  Speaker 2: from my body that I could be spending on them.
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  Speaker 2: So I've got to make it worse well, And the
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  Speaker 2: reason I just became very, very frustrated. Obviously, when we
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  Speaker 2: got the sanctuary back in nineteen ninety six, I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is great, but it's addressing always the symptoms, not
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  Speaker 2: the cause. So I can take in like four hundred animals,
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  Speaker 2: I could have four thousand animals if I've got the space,
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  Speaker 2: But what about the billions and billions of animals out
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  Speaker 2: there that I can do nothing to help Physically? These
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  Speaker 2: animals are fine, the ones that I care for, they
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  Speaker 2: will always be fine.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: That obviously the predominant force in my life. But I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do something to help those. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: bad press and media that was especially given back in
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  Speaker 2: the nineties towards veganism. It was either maligned or just ignored.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, well, you know, I've been vegan all
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  Speaker 2: these years, since I was six years old. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: like unable to get office to or looking like I've
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  Speaker 2: been dug up from somewhere. I want to be able
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  Speaker 2: to do something to promote my lifestyle in a positive way.
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  Speaker 2: And I see people forget that. At that time, there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't social media. You've got to kind of had to
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  Speaker 2: do something to justify getting any press. So I kind
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  Speaker 2: of thought, well, I haven't got any money, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not particularly good at it. I'm sporty. And the reason
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  Speaker 2: I picked Marason running was literally it was cheap. It
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  Speaker 2: was do it at any time, you need to pay it,
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  Speaker 2: running shoes, you could do it alone. And also there
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  Speaker 2: was a kind of semi ready made platform in that
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  Speaker 2: Paula Radcliffe back in the UK was doing these flambuoyantly
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  Speaker 2: good marathon times, so obviously there was a heightened interest
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  Speaker 2: in marasons in the UK at that time, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: if I could kind of jump on the back of
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  Speaker 2: the publicedice she's getting, that would kind of it's familiarize
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  Speaker 2: people with the event. It's been billed as like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the toughest kind of this is a plane road running
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  Speaker 2: endurance event in the athletic calendar. So if I could
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  Speaker 2: kind of use that and do marasons fairly well, then
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  Speaker 2: that would be a free publicity for the sanctuary. Because
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  Speaker 2: we don't spend anything on We've got nobody for anything.
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  Speaker 2: It would get free advertising for the sanctuy because when
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  Speaker 2: you win races, people say, you know, what do you
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  Speaker 2: do for a living?
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  Speaker 1: I run an animal sanctuary. I don't do it for
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  Speaker 1: a living, but I do run an animal century. And
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  Speaker 1: also just.
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  Speaker 2: Really an opportunity to people are interested in how you've
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  Speaker 2: won that race or how you've done well in it,
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  Speaker 2: you can say, by the way, I'm vegan. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the reason. Back in two thousand and four, people don't
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  Speaker 2: know that we've got a big running club in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: I think Vegan Runners is now the biggest running club
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  Speaker 2: in the UK by membership. I started that with a
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  Speaker 2: guy called Peter Simpson back in two thousand and four
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  Speaker 2: because I was getting elite starts. I was getting offered
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  Speaker 2: places in races, asked to go and paid for and
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  Speaker 2: he said, you know, obviously at the time I was
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  Speaker 2: running for Vegetarian Cycling and Athletics Club because that was
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  Speaker 2: the only affiliated club that got anything in it relative
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  Speaker 2: to what I wanted to promote. But I said, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for sure, I'll run for that club. But I'm a
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  Speaker 2: vegan and I would like people to know that when
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  Speaker 2: I run past them or I beat them, I would
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  Speaker 2: like them to know that I'm vegan. And so real
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  Speaker 2: hard job to affiliate a running club in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: don't it was like in the States. But Peter did
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  Speaker 2: all the pine of paperwork and the leg work and
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  Speaker 2: I did the running back then, and that's how vegan
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  Speaker 2: runners were started. And it was at a time like
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you were going to the London Marason
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  Speaker 2: that's not the biggest in numbers, Berlin's the biggest in numbers,
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  Speaker 2: but major major Marason in the UK, one of the
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  Speaker 2: five majors that were at the time, and you're on
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  Speaker 2: the elite start, you're setting off forty five minutes ahead
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  Speaker 2: of the elite men and the main race, and it
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  Speaker 2: was just basically an opportunity to run twenty six point
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  Speaker 2: two miles through the streets of London which are closed
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  Speaker 2: with crowds everywhere, focusing on these few female runners, me
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  Speaker 2: being one of them, and the handle that the sea
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  Speaker 2: on your vest is vegan. That's basically why I've done
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  Speaker 2: the running. I'm not interested in anything else but promoting
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  Speaker 2: that word.
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  Speaker 6: But what's really interesting in your response, what comes across
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  Speaker 6: what I gather from that is long sense of self belief.
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  Speaker 6: Like you'll say, oh, I'm nothing special, I'm not that talented.
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  Speaker 7: Et cetera.
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  Speaker 6: But clearly there's a drive or a sense of purpose
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  Speaker 6: that is underscored by a belief in your ability to
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  Speaker 6: compete at a level that would be sufficient to get
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  Speaker 6: this kind of attention.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean I just literally was the runner
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  Speaker 2: that used to look and think, why are those runners
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  Speaker 2: up there? And I'm back here. I want to be
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  Speaker 2: up there with them, and I'll do what it takes
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  Speaker 2: to get there. I clock that very quickly in likes
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  Speaker 2: London marriage and I don't want to be running in
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  Speaker 2: a cage like at first three hour bracket on the
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  Speaker 2: Green Star. I want to be up there on the
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  Speaker 2: main start with the good runners, going in the bus
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  Speaker 2: with the other elite athletes and being out there with
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  Speaker 2: them because that's the place that's going to belong there. No,
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  Speaker 2: not particular. I still don't know. I've never develop along there,
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  Speaker 2: I've actually gone along to these races, and oh my lord.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm actually walking to the start of the Elite.
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  Speaker 2: Race in Berlin with Haliy Grabbersase, I'm literally checking out
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  Speaker 2: the opportunittion and thinking that guy in the Superman suit,
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  Speaker 2: he looks quick.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I'm literal really not no confidence runner, and I'm all
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  Speaker 2: the way I'm going to the start thinking, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: wish an excuse to come up that I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to go.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a real weird thing with me. But I
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  Speaker 1: get on the start.
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  Speaker 2: Line and it's this Fiona goes, She leaves me and
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  Speaker 2: game on. Fiona appears, and I'm willing I couldn't hurt
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  Speaker 2: another living being, but I can certainly dish it out
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  Speaker 2: to myself.
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  Speaker 5: She doesn't brag about anything she does, you know, she
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  Speaker 5: just gets on with it. But what she does is
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  Speaker 5: quite remarkable.
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  Speaker 6: Really.
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  Speaker 10: The beauty about Fiona is that she's taken care of,
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  Speaker 10: you know, hundreds of animals on her sanctuary, and then
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  Speaker 10: she's training and she's you know, competing in these crueling events.
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  Speaker 4: Fiona, she says, I'm not really a runner? Now, how
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  Speaker 4: can somebody the runs a two thirty eight marathon call
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  Speaker 4: themselves not really a runner? I mean, she's not right,
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  Speaker 4: she's a really good runner.
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  Speaker 11: She's a really good runner.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a funny story with her running. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like it. I like talent lackability.
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  Speaker 2: But probably the strength I've got is that I actually do,
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  Speaker 2: actually recognize that.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't really know too much about running.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really care that much about running. I just
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  Speaker 2: care about the results I can get from the running.
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  Speaker 2: I've always felt quite embarrassed when I'm invited to these
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  Speaker 2: mega races and people are looking at me thinking, and
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  Speaker 2: you're you know, what are you doing here?
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  Speaker 1: Kind of thing?
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  Speaker 2: And I know I don't look the same with everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: And when I tell people, you know, I've got like
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  Speaker 2: eighth place in Amsterdam Marathon, or like top twenty in
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  Speaker 2: London and Berlin and that great Nos Run, and these
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  Speaker 2: are the biggest races in the world, These are not
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  Speaker 2: messing around with.
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  Speaker 1: People are like flabbergasted.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Keegan did a beautiful job of documenting the pageantry
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  Speaker 6: and the beauty and the sort of epic nature of
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  Speaker 6: doing mds, But I think. You know, I've watched a
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  Speaker 6: movie a couple of times, but what really struck me
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  Speaker 6: watching at this time and what I think, at least
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  Speaker 6: to me, and I'm interested in your thoughts, seems to
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  Speaker 6: be the most difficult thing that you ever did was
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  Speaker 6: going from Atacama and suffering that injury and five days
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  Speaker 6: later running that marathon on Antarctica and not sure if
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  Speaker 6: you're even going to be able to run to winning
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  Speaker 6: that and breaking that record.
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  Speaker 7: So how did you recover?
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  Speaker 8: Like?
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  Speaker 7: What was that like?
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  Speaker 2: We went off to South America, and I have to say,
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  Speaker 2: if I'd have known what I was letting myself in
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  Speaker 2: for a question, whether I would have actually gone. It
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  Speaker 2: was so horrible, and I'm forever grateful that my mom
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  Speaker 2: actually went with me and witnessed it, because if.
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  Speaker 1: She hadn't, I don't think she would have believed it.
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  Speaker 9: The Attica of Volcano Marathon is extreme in a very
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  Speaker 9: different way to the Ice marathons. It's one of the
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  Speaker 9: highest marathons in the world. So you start at fourteen
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  Speaker 9: and a half thousand feet, You've only got to eleven
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  Speaker 9: percent oxygen, so about half what we would have at
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  Speaker 9: sea level.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd convinced myself that it wouldn't be too bad
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  Speaker 2: running a marathon at fourteen thousand feet altitude.
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  Speaker 1: I really hadn't given it that much sort.
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  Speaker 5: Running at altitude, I think, especially for someone who comes
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  Speaker 5: from sea level, is definitely a challenge.
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  Speaker 9: It is very very extreme, I think, more extreme and
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  Speaker 9: potentially more risky than the ice marathons.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to contest with the fact that you're running
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  Speaker 2: at altitude, but you're not kind of running. You are
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  Speaker 2: battling very very bad terrain. About twenty eight k I
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  Speaker 2: rolled my knee on the stone.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever it was. I don't know. I just rolled
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  Speaker 1: my knee and slip. I knew I damaged it badly.
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  Speaker 2: In the minute I did it, I just thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to walk, I'm gonna have to do
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  Speaker 2: what I've got to do to finish, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be pretty.
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  Speaker 1: And it really wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: If I'd just been trying to do this for myself,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have put myself through it, I have to
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  Speaker 2: say that. But I wasn't doing it for myself, so
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  Speaker 2: I did. And I remember laying in the back of
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  Speaker 2: this ambulance fourteen and four hundred he took a side
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  Speaker 2: of a volcano in the Atta Karma Desert, thinking, how
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  Speaker 2: the hell am I going to recover from this? The
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  Speaker 2: doctor has just told me that I am not going
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  Speaker 2: to run again this year. It was November, November fourteenth.
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  Speaker 2: How the hell am I going to run in Antarctica
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  Speaker 2: in five days?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was really really horrendous. I was having
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  Speaker 2: some angst with the race organizer and he didn't want
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  Speaker 2: me to go to Antarctica, and so it was a
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  Speaker 2: brilliant opportunity he'd actually organize the Atta Kama race. So
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  Speaker 2: it must have been Maya from heaven when he saw me. Literally,
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  Speaker 2: my mum saw me too, She was in a race car.
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  Speaker 2: Just keel over with my knee. And when I got
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  Speaker 2: to the finish, I was very, very fortunate. One guy
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  Speaker 2: who was helping with the race, he saw what had
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  Speaker 2: happened and he insisted, because he spoke the language rather,
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  Speaker 2: he actually insisted that doctors give me an ivy pain
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  Speaker 2: relief because otherwise I don't think. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: would have happened. Literally, it was just a complete disaster.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I still don't know how I did that
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  Speaker 2: in Antarctica.
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  Speaker 1: I literally hobble to the start.
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  Speaker 2: We went to punt To Arenas wait to fly to Antarctica,
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  Speaker 2: and I had to walk around, well, hobble around Punto Arenas,
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  Speaker 2: looking to buy find a shop that sells those walking poles,
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  Speaker 2: because I thought, I'm gonna have to walk and I've
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  Speaker 2: even got these great big walking boots, and I thought
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  Speaker 2: it's two laps, and I thought, well, if I start
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  Speaker 2: and I try to run, and then I can't run,
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  Speaker 2: and then I go to walking poles and just have
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  Speaker 2: to walk around.
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  Speaker 1: But it's bleak.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you kind of forget when you can run, like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: thirty four five six minutes for a ten k. You
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  Speaker 2: tend to think Helen's ten k gonna take me. And
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  Speaker 2: then you start looking at you watch like in MDS
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  Speaker 2: and thinking it's for cozy two hours and you're thinking,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god. You know, so it takes a long
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  Speaker 2: time to walk thirty miles in Antarctica. And I started
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  Speaker 2: at the back of the race and there was some
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  Speaker 2: Japanese guy and he wasn't wearing a Santa suit not
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  Speaker 2: but he got one of those jokey Santa suits over
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: there a top of his running stuff. And even he
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: went off into the distance, and I'm kind of on
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: my own, thinking, oh lord, you know, I'm gonna have
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: to how long is this gonna take. It's gonna take
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: like ten hours or something at this pace, and I
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: don't know, I just kind of got warmed up. The
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: pain kind of left my body. I forgot about it,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and I just thought, do what you can. And I
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: really don't know where that run came from, just something
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: on the start line. I'm just so blessed. I was
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: in so much pain. And I remember being in Santiago
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: seeing other runners arrive to fly to punt Arenus that
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: hadn't been in the Attacama race, because I'd been the
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: only fool that had decided to combine the two. So
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I thought it was a really
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: good idea, and I've been told that loads of runners
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: are doing both field and it would not be a problem,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm the only one. And I've got this angst
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: from the race director who was making my life an
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: absolute misery, and the sort of having to go down
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: there and just not be able to finish the job
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: that I'd started was pretty brutal. But the funny thing
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: was that he put every obstacle in my way, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: if honestly it was all worth it to see his
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: face when I, oh, my gosh, she's here again, the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: vegan runner woman coming, and she's gonna win the race,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you know, But I don't know.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't enjoy running.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I know I'm not good at it, and you know
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: what I mean, I just want to get it over
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: with quickly.
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: You're not going to give up on that story.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Well, it's true. It is absolutely and utterly true.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I enjoy the fact that I can do it because
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: there are many people out there that can't, so that's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: kind of insulting to them. But I'm always in such
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a hurry with the running, I literally literally fitting it in.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, people don't know.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: If you're in a hurry in general.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm like either around the fire brigade.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I'm a firefighter too, and I do that in a
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: fair time, just you know, for a bit of income
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and a bit of a diversion from what else I'm doing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So literally, i'll be one minute, I'll be bombing up
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the fire station in midninety and then you know, get driving,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you know, get driving a pump and being out for
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: four hours, and I'm thinking when I'm not going to
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: fit me running in, So I literally am that person
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that is stomping around the house looking for the elusive
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: socks that's gone missing, just to grab it and go,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: and then as soon as they get back running stuffs
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: off and I'm just in another mode. Probably actually helps
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: because I don't actually get time to contemplate how awful
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: it's going to be when I'm out there running.
• 19:16
  Speaker 12: There's stuff that needs to be done all the time.
• 19:18
  Speaker 12: Animals to see too, there's medications to attend to, there's
• 19:21
  Speaker 12: maintenance to do, there's a list of jobs. As long
• 19:23
  Speaker 12: as you're on the thought of having to do all
• 19:26
  Speaker 12: that work and then go out and run twenty fars,
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: it's not even just like, oh, I'm just going to
• 19:33
  Speaker 12: do for a nice little country jog. It's appalling speed
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: work to have to fit in or on appalling twenty
• 19:40
  Speaker 12: mile road run and then come back and as soon
• 19:43
  Speaker 12: as you get back to have to then start the
• 19:45
  Speaker 12: evening jogs, which is like bringing all the horses in
• 19:48
  Speaker 12: getting the buckets. No, even though you know we've we've
• 19:52
  Speaker 12: lived together twenty four years, I have no idea how
• 19:54
  Speaker 12: anybody can fit all that in.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: Let's bringing an end of this.
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: So, Keegan, this is a very interesting choice for your
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: third movie. Your first two movies Coylspiracy, What the Health,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: you know, you sort of established yourself as this provocateur
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: in your collaboration with with Kip Anderson. These are movies
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: that crossed over to mainstream audiences and really created a
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: lot of conversation around these ideas that you're passionate about.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: But this is a very different kind of movie. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: why this movie? What struck you about Fiona? What compelled
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: you to document her journey?
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah, So.
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: One Kip and I were doing a fundraising campaign for Coylspiracy, Martin,
• 20:41
  Speaker 13: Fiona's partner, reached out or maybe it was Fiona directly
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: and said, hey, we heard about the film.
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: Looks amazing. Let us know what we can do to
• 20:48
  Speaker 11: help out.
• 20:49
  Speaker 13: And so I looked up who these people were and
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: I said help us, you know, how can we help you?
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: And the response to Kip and I got for cal
• 20:57
  Speaker 13: Spiracy and What the Health was phenomenal. But I was
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: honestly hearing this, Yeah, well, I'm an athlete. I do
• 21:03
  Speaker 13: the X sort of training and you know, I could
• 21:06
  Speaker 13: never be vegan, and I thought, that can't be true.
• 21:09
  Speaker 13: There's people like Ritroll, there's these ultra and endurance athletes
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: who are breaking world records. We need to do more
• 21:16
  Speaker 13: to promote that. And Fiona had been in the back
• 21:20
  Speaker 13: of my mind for a long time. Then I spoke
• 21:23
  Speaker 13: to one of our executive producers, Cheryl Greenberg, and she
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: talked about how the vegan community is predominantly female, and
• 21:29
  Speaker 13: yet women aren't really highlighted in the vegan movement. It's
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: the male faces and the male names and the male
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: organizer heads of organizations that are really promoted, and that
• 21:38
  Speaker 13: there needs to be more emphasis on promoting and elevating
• 21:41
  Speaker 13: women in this movement because it is a female dominating movement.
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: I thought, Hey, if we can combine those two things,
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: promoting women vegan women, breaking the stereotypes of veganism holds
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: you back from any sort of athletic achievements, then you've
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: got something powerful. And Fiona takes all of those and
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: then being a hardcore ethical vegan on top of it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: which speaks to my heart to this perfect And also,
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: you really couldn't ask for a better character for a
• 22:08
  Speaker 13: documentary than Fianna.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I first met Fiona in two thousand and fourteen. She
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: came into the shop and she was just this whirlwind,
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: like she was absolutely mad as a books of frogs.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure he can describe her in any other time.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: She is absolutely extraordinary. And what's really extraordinary matteries she
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: doesn't look extraordinary.
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: I heard her wrestling.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: Her rate's like thirty or something. It's so low that
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: they're like, are you even alive?
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: She just doesn't seem to stop. I don't know how
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: she does what she does. So she runs this animal
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: sanctuary with four hundred or so animals. She trains like
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: maybe one hundred miles a week. She's just so dedicated
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: to what she does. And she doesn't do it for her,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: you know, she doesn't forty animals and for other people,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: and you're just trying to promote sustainability.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: When you first meet her, you've got no sense that
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: you're talking to someone that's extraordinary. And one of the
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: reasons is that she doesn't self promote. She has no
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: sense of actually how fantastic she is.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: What's interesting about the movie, among many things, but what
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: struck me which I didn't really I didn't notice it
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: the first couple of times I watched the movie. Is
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: that you don't even hear the word vegan until you're
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: two thirds of the way into the film. Is that
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: a conscious decision?
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a conscious decision.
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: If you watch any of the films that I've done,
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: you don't hear the word vegan until forty This is
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: the earliest film that you hear is forty three minutes in,
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: What the Hell is Like forty seven minutes and Conspiracies
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: like an hour and ten minutes in. You really like
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: what Fiona's done. You really have to pull people into
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: a story before you can introduce them to vegan because
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: people they're so resistant to it. It seems so extreme
• 24:03
  Speaker 13: to so many people, so you have to really kind
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: of drag them along, get them interested. Why why did
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: you run in a cal costume?
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Why? You know?
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: Why am I interested in this movie? If it just
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: as vegan, you're only going to appeal to mostly the vegans.
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: So yeah, it's definitely a conscious effort.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: So how long how much time did you spend with Fiona?
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: What's this period of time that you guys hung out
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: to do this total?
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: Probably about a month and a half, two weeks in
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: January two thousand and seventeen, two weeks in the Sahara desert,
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: ten days in the Sahara Desert, and then another two
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: weeks or not even not about a month total total
• 24:42
  Speaker 13: time over the course for a year.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: And going into this, obviously you're familiar with Fiona's story
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: and you have an idea of what you're getting involved in.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: What occurred that you didn't expect, Like what did you
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: find out about Fiona or this world, you know, this
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: subculture in which she lives in Thrive that you were
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: not originally aware of.
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: I really wasn't aware of how humble Funel was. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 13: knew that she was humble because everything I'd seen and read,
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: but I didn't realize that it was to this heartfelt level,
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: that it wasn't like a facade or like trying to
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: put on, you know, to be cute in a humble
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: sort of way. This is very genuine, this is who
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: this person is. I found that really refreshing. I think
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: also as for an audience too, that's amazing to see.
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: There's a lot of huge egos in sports, and I
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: love sports documentaries. I can watch the sports documentary about anything.
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: I mean literally, race car driver, boxers, soccer players, and
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: I'm not into sports at all, but these stories were
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: always people they want to be the best in the world,
• 25:43
  Speaker 13: but for what, Like so they can be the best
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: in the world. There's nothing else other than that or
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: a paycheck. And then to have somebody who strives to
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: be the best simply to create a platform to talk
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: about compassionate living, It's like, that's that's a documentary I
• 25:58
  Speaker 13: want to see. So I really made this movie for
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: myself for that and that again, that just that humbleness,
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: that lack of ego because it's selfless, was I think
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: one of the most shocking things about making it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 14: I had spoken to the other runners and there was
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: almost like an overconfidence to them. Funa was really refreshing
• 26:19
  Speaker 14: because here she was touted as one of the elite runners,
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: sharing with me in all honesty that she was terrified
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: just as I was. And I looked at her like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: how can you be terrified? So we're laying there in
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: our cots and just like staring up at the tent ceiling,
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: going this is gonna be bootle, and she's.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Like, yep, it's gonna be really hard.
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: I came in like six and a half hours later
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: and she hugged me and she just said, I am
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: so proud of you. And I was like, really, like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: you've been laying here for six hours waiting for me
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: to finish. She's like, yeah, but I think you were
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: the toughest. She's so incredibly strong, and she kind of
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: denies it in herself, but she's so willing to acknowledge
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: it in others. Honestly, Like, I've never are seeing someone
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: so strong and so so humble.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: You strike me as a not only a deeply compassionate person,
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: but somebody who is who has a.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: Vast reservoir of.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Empathy and this sensitivity to suffering. And perhaps you were
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: born this way. You can see it in every frame
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: of film and the way that you interact with these
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: animals that you care so deeply about. But I'm wondering
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: if there's a relationship between the suffering that you endured
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: as a result of your injury with your knee and
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: the sort of process of recovering from that. If that,
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, Keegan, you sort of tip your hat to
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: this point in the movie, but this connection between what
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: you endured going through that and how you kind of
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: empathize with the plight of these animals and their suffering.
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: She was always an athletic little girl until she had
• 27:56
  Speaker 15: this terrible problem. In the early ty She started having
• 28:01
  Speaker 15: knee pain.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Slightly before my teenage years. I developed a problem with
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: my knee. I was in all sorts of pain, all
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: sorts of trouble with it. So I went into hospital
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: continually having the back of a kneecap scraped off, for
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: having the ligaments and things readjusted around the kneecap to
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: kind of pivot it in a different direction, and nothing
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: was really working.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: That was my right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Leg that was effected to start with, and then because
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I was leaning so heavily on my left leg, that
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: became weak and affected.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So I was having all these surgeries. It was very,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: very frustrated.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I think I had about seven hearing operations in all.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I was not able to go to school. I was
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: getting too weak to go to school. I couldn't mobilize
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: around the school, couldn't do anything. There wasn't even offered
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: any home tutory And then the doctor said, look, we've
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: got a serious problem. There is a massive conglomeration behind
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: your kneecap. It is turning it to jelly it is
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: crumbling inside and it needs to come out, and it
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: needs to come out quickly. This is going to be
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: a big operation, and this is going to be very painful.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I have to say that I've never been in pain
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: like I was in after that operation. I couldn't lay,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't move in my bed. I couldn't literally ultimate
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: position in my bed. I was told I wouldn't walk
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: again properly, let alone be able to do sporting activities,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: especially things like running, which were high impact. I was
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: going to be read disabled at one point because it
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: looked so hopeless. So that was an incredibly challenging time
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: for all the family. Actually, yeah, definitely. I mean you
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: learn from experience. That's the best way to learn. You
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: can tell somebody's something all the time. You can tell
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: people all that race is really hard and they're probably
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: looking at them was a bit stunned and a backpack
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: that can't be that hard and fifty odd degree here.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: But you learn from experience.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: So I do understand that what I went through as
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a teenagers obviously impacted me. But the important thing, it
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: hasn't made me bitter. It's just made me focused on
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: not allowing it. If I can prevent it happening to
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: anything or anyone else, not in terms of that stuffering
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: what happened to me, It wasn't anyone's fault. It was
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: just something. But you learn have an empathy for, yes,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: unnecessary suffering. It's just appalling any sort of pain of
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: any sort of creature. It's just something you just wouldn't
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: want to inflict.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I mean it's really really hard for me to sit
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: here in front of an audience film about me. In fact,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: when Keegan actually contacted me, I thought it was Martin
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: winding milk literally, I.
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: Mean, trying to make you as uncomfortable as possible.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was like, you know, I mean,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: why would anyone want to make a film about me?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just like eating you know.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: My assuming you can't even run?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean I know, have he admitted it now?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I can't. I can't.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, okay, you know I can run physically
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: an put one leg in front of the other.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not great. I'm very determined.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You know, and I've got doing it for a reason.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I am doing it for a reason, and that reason
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: is greater than oh I've got my iron, winning that
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: garment or a pee, but or a place that's of
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: no interest in me whatsoever. In fact, you go to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: these races and people start talking about all things running
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and UTMB points and have you done that race?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And have you done this race?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: A clue what they're talking about, you know, And I'm thinking,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: go away from me. Running is about a to B
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: as quickly as you can, getting the job done and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: seeing if you can knock it on to help animals.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: That's another thing that I've done.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've had to really work hard for a
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: CV that's actually made people sit up and you know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: look the results I've got. Like in two thousand and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: five when I was coming back from Amsterdam with like
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: eighth place and placing in the London Marason and the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Berlin Marrison.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: All the big races.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I only used to do two Marasons a year, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: that was basically because it was economical financially and physically.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to be away from the sanctuary. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I did this kind of speaking to this on a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: podcast today and the lady said to me, I said,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I've never even had a massage. I have no coach,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I have no physio. I've never had a massage. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: wouldn't know what mode hit me in the face. I've
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: literally running charity shop closing and obviously I've got my
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: shoes now, and you know, my shoes are very important
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to me because obviously it's I have to care for
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: my knees. But I am, literally I'm miss cheap amateur
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: runner gone mad.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I literally am.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, w minute you're running
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: around the Denry Peninsula, were the only company as a
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: squirrel that you might see, And next minute you've been
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: chaffered on this bus to these technical meetings with all
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: these Kenyans and Ethiopians, and they've all got the coaches
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: and the managers, and I've got my mom. Were sitting
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: at the back like two school children playing noughts and crosses,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and they're going on, technically, what do you want to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: do in this race? And you're thinking, I just want
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to finish it alive, you know, from getting adrom b
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and successfully. So it is a really weird scenario that
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I've been coming through. And when you're amongst these people,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: you realize that you're actually not very good yourself. I mean,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: you know, but you either winging it and bluffing it
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and doing what you can for the animals. But I've
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: got no no particular interest in going to the Norse
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Pole or doing any of that. I just thought, you know, obviously,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: if people say, you know, they feel tired, they say, oh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've run a Morrison. And if they say,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you know, it's cold out though, it's like Norse Pole.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: So I've put the two together and that's got to
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: be definitive proof surely that a vegan can do anything.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: But and that's been the logic behind it. Can it
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: be a win for the for the animals. Can I
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: get something back in there, you know, introduced because it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like creative activism that I've had to do. So if
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you're going to join the fire brigade, it's introducing not
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: At the time, it was introducing females to a forum
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: that not necessarily going to be in. I was the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: first female firefighter in our division. And then when it
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: crops up that I was vegan as well, you can
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: see the hassle I got from the guys there. So
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you've all but they had to think about it. They
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: had to think about the fact that I wasn't going
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: to wear leather fire boots, so they had to import
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: them from Italy for me. So you know that kind
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of thing, just gently introducing kind of veganism and making
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: whether they're going to go vigan or not, they've got
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: to be aware of it and respect it. And that's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: what my activism has kind of been about.
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: People listened to few talk and they come to me
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: after what they say, you must be very proud, I said, no,
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: pride reflects onto me. I look at it in awe
• 34:09
  Speaker 15: and then the guilt kicks in, the guilt at having
• 34:13
  Speaker 15: brought a life into the world which is so compassionate
• 34:17
  Speaker 15: and feeling loving that she has to push herself to
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: these tremendous lengths to try to get a platform so
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: that she can speak for those who.
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: Have no voice.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: Fiona, we were chatting a little bit before before the
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: film about.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: Sort of the current state of awareness and excitement around
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: this movement, and as somebody who's been vegan and advocating
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: in this space since you were six seven years old,
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: what's your perspective on where the movement is now?
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: How do you think about that?
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's really exploded. I mean, every day
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: in the UK, something new comes. So every time you
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: turn on the media it's the first thing year is
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: vegan or something like that. It really has gone mad
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and literally it's just growing and growing and growing. And
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I think people talk about the tipping point, and I
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: think we surely are reaching it. And what I would
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: like to emphasize, especially to younger people, is I think
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: they forget a pre social media time when this just
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: wasn't available. When I say I went vegan at six,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't just say to my mom I want to
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: go vegan. I didn't even know what vegan was. It
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: was just an ethical choice. I knew that I wanted
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: to opt out of certain things, and I couldn't put
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: a name to it. It was more of a feeling
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: that I had. But now, I mean, obviously it's growing,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and I think especially with young people, it's the youngsters
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that are actually realizing this is not just vegan, isn't
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: just one prong. It's not just it started with the animals.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: For me, and I'm still learning as a vegan. Obviously
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize I mean conspiracy, what the health have
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: taught me a lot. I just know my bit of veganism.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: But now it's just growing and growing and growing, and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I think young people especially are realizing this isn't just
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: about animals and the health. It's about the health of
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the planet, the health of those others that live on it,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and the environment. And it's scary what's happening to the environment,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: And it's their future and their children's future. And they're
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: taking hold with the initiative they've got and the inspiration
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: they provide. It gives me hope because at times I've
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: been in a complete state of despair, hence the cow costume.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: You're running, doing anything you've got to do. That's why
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I ended up at the North Pole in the desert,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: because what have you've got to do to make people listen?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: But now there's the whole generation out there that can
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: do that successfully, and that's yes, that's massive.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Kegan, you had your own ultra experience trying to document
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: this while the race was going on by yourself. Right,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: It wasn't you and a crew of people. It was
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: just you and very heavy camera equipment running yourself across
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: the desert. And I'm left wondering watching this, like how
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: did he do that? Like where's Keegan sleeping, Where is
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: he going? How is he charging his batteries? Like, how
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: is all of this working? So walk us through that?
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean logistically it was definitely a challenge. Kip
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: and I, my co director of cal Spears and what
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: the Health have always done things super low budget and
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: super low crew.
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: People say oh, where's your crew.
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: And it's like, well, it would be just he and
• 37:29
  Speaker 13: I and since I solo directed this one, it was
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: literally just me. I thankfully had a driver during marathon
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: disable and about fifty percent, maybe a little bit less
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: of the course is accessible by vehicle, so we would
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: drive along. He'd say, hey, this is where the courses.
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: I jump out, I get a shot. But then the
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: other half of the time he say, okay, so you
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: see that mountain range, go over it and then go
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: down to the next valley. Cross the valley and there
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: will be the course. And so it would be literally
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: carrying my gear, go over the mount and get the shot,
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: and then hike back over to get to the truck.
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: Sleeping In a similar camp to Fiono's camp, there was
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: a volunteer and staff tent area separate from the runners tents,
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: eating one meal a day, bringing my own food because
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: there's not really any offerings for the Reagans out there.
• 38:20
  Speaker 13: But it was an awesome epic adventure. I mean I was,
• 38:23
  Speaker 13: I was doing half their distances at times.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: You was going quickly than we were.
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: I thankfully did not, but I did almost die making
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: this movie. People ask all the time with cal Spearcy
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: and what the hell they say? You know, it's a
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: controversial film. It goes up against this big industry. Do
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: you all get death threats? And oftentimes we kind of
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: like joke it off like a yeah, and I but
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: this movie. When we finish Marathon Asawol, I was exhausted.
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: I'd been breathing in dust for the last two weeks, running,
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: going as hard as I could, not really taking care
• 38:58
  Speaker 13: of myself. And I flew to South Africa the next
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: couple of days afterwards to go speak at an event,
• 39:04
  Speaker 13: and I contracted a horrible respiratory infection to the point
• 39:08
  Speaker 13: that I had to be hospitalized and had a sustained
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: view of one hundred and ten plus for a number
• 39:14
  Speaker 13: of days, hallucinating.
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: Didn't know who I was, didn't know where I was,
• 39:19
  Speaker 11: So I got to.
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: Do my own little adventure as well, right glad that
• 39:23
  Speaker 13: happened after the experience, not before, right, So I want
• 39:27
  Speaker 13: to make this interactive and open this up to participation
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: and questions from the audience.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Thank you, But before I do that, one last thing, Kegan,
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: what do you like?
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: Is what is it that you.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Want the audience to take from Fiona's story and this
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: movie that you've made.
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: I want everybody to feel inspired. I want people to
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: see Fiona's challenges and everything she's accomplished despite all the
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: hindrances that she's faced, both from physically, the fact that
• 40:02
  Speaker 13: media doesn't want to give her the attention she deserves,
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: on and on and on. I want people to see
• 40:07
  Speaker 13: that and be inspired to do whatever their challenges, whatever
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: their marathon is, their marathon is sovel, but to also
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: be inspired to say, I have to do something bigger
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: than myself. That a life of service has so much
• 40:20
  Speaker 13: value and so much importance, and something that I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: we really need in this world and for our own
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: selves as well, that we're having more fulfilling, meaningful lives
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: when we do things for others versus just for ourselves.
• 40:33
  Speaker 13: And then secondarily, I want everybody to say, Vegan doesn't
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: hold you back from anything and in fact, it might
• 40:40
  Speaker 13: make you better at what you want to do.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: Beautifully putt all right, let's open this up. I'm just
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: going to take this one right here at the top.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: This is a question for Fiona. Have you ever had
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: conversations about your diet with other non vegan athletes during
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: or many races? And did they or anybody make the
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: switch after talking with you?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I have conversations with other runners. I mean, the best
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: way of answering them is not wasted breasters. Go out
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and beat and you know what I mean. Then you've
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: answered all the questions because in the longer races you
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: do get time, more time to talk, and people there
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: are always curious and how they can improve their performance,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and if they see you doing better than them, they're
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: interested in the die. Because that was another thing about
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: going back to this activism and promotion of veganism through sport.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: You've kind of got a captive audience there that are
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: interested in performance. They're interested in ways of improving their performance,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: so they want to know if you're better than them,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: or perceived to be better than them, they'll ask how
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you got better than them. But yeah, I've it's been
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: kind of it sounds kind of I don't know, conceited
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to say it. But if you are actually just perform
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: warming better than them, they're not so negative towards what
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: you're doing. They might say, oh, you won't be able
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to sustain that long on a vegan dots. We'll about
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: it for forty odd years, so you know, I mean,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: how long I'm going to be in the coffin before
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: you finished?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: You know that?
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: But you know it is I've had a lot of
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: people and in fact, the tent that I shared.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: With their they were a really good bunch of guys,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: weren't they.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And not none of them have gone full vegan, but
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of like very proud telling me that I
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: found vegan ice creaming. Kuwait for you owner, and if
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I come and stay with you at the new sanctuary,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm quite prepared to eat vegan for the
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: whole week.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: So you know.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And one of the biggest wins is Elizabeth Barnes, who
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the MDS runner. She has she has not been well
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: since for about a year, and she's switched vegan now
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and she said she feels amazing. She's getting the miles
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: back in her legs now and she's hoping to go
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: back to MDS next year, and she puts that definitely
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: down to being plant based.
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: That's great.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: The next question has to do with balancing everything. How
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: do you balance your running the sanctuary, your relationship. I
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: know you're always in a hurry, and maybe to kind
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: of embark on answering that question, like take us through
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: a day in the life from waking up in the
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: morning to go into bed.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Well, We'll get up at half past three every morning,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: and then whatever needs doing I do. It's say changes
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: seasonally obviously, because there's different jobs to do in the winter,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: because I've got a lot of large animals. We've got
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: seventy six horses, I've got one hundred and twenty one pigs,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: We've got twenty two cows, so they it's better to
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: deal with those in the daylight hours. So if it's
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: in the winter, I'll do more of the jobs that
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I can do indoors or in stables, and then I'll
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: go out to do them. How I balance it is,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I literally don't stop all day. I have this one
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: meal of day thing going on that you know it says,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I just eat one meal a day and I get
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: up in the morning and I work right through and
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I just don't stop. I never sit down and never
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: do anything but work, and it's kind of I kind
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: of I can't have recovery time. So but my idea
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: of a recovery time would be we have this, we
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: have this food donation program from a big supermarket, Sainsbury
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: where they donate their bread and vegetables for the pigs tweet.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: But it has to be unwrapped.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: So if I've come back from a twenty mile run,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the only opportunity I'm going to have to rest my
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: legs is to sit in the middle of all these
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: bags of bread and unwrap them. So that will be
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: my recovery period, like an hour sitting and wrapping the bread.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And then if I've got a bit of paperwork to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: do that, I'll give me some recovery. If I've been
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: outside shoveling or whatever I'm doing, balancing it is. It's
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: not difficult for me because the animals always come first.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: The training is very secondary to run in the sanctuary.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And regarding my relationship, well, I don't know why that
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: went well, but you know, I mean, I'll tell you now,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Martin and I have been at that sanctuary now for
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: twenty two years, and we've never been out together anywhere.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: In fact, Keegan took me out for a meal king
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and a shiny su I'm sitting there looking at this
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: menu or what limelegsactly. I don't know what this means.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: This is nonsensical to me because people do ask me
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: what do you eat? I don't literally eat pig food.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I don't go to a farm, you know, distributor and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: say can I have a bag of pig food and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: opening it and stick my head in it. But because
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: we're on this donation program, they give us on date vegetables.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to be like sitting in the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: middle of my bread, unwrapping it in the vegetables and thinking, oh,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I must go and fetch some bananas. That's going to
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: take half an hour and like five pounds in money.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I will literally eat those bananas. And that's basically what
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I live on the donated on date vegetables pig food.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: So last night, let me just clarify here. Last night
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: at the restaurant. Oh yeah, that's the first time you've
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: been to a restaurant since I.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Can't even remember going to one before we got the
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: sanctuary so I mean it's a definitely twenty two years.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: Twenty two years. Yeah, although there's not a lot Netflix
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: and chill.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: No, there is not a lot of Netflix.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: An You're going down to the pub and like, so
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: what do you do? Like, how do you relax?
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: Don't you? You can't just go go, go, go go
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: all the time.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you now, when I've been training for Marisons,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: no one of a lie. The meal that I've had
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: it now, I've had to have it in bed and
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I've fallen to sleep with it hanging out my mouth sometimes. Honestly,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I'm that tired. But you know, I get up the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: next morning, I recover, I go out. The animals need me,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: and the training is voluntary. I just want to give
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I'm not going to go out there
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: and give ninety percent because that's just not worth going.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: The energy it takes to run well takes. It's no point.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not out there recreationally. It's great if you are,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: but I'm not. So I'm doing it for a purpose.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: It's part of what I do with the sanctuary. It's
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: part parcel of me. So it's one hundred percent and
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: that takes a lot of energy to give one hundred percent,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and that's fine. I'm not looking for people to feel
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: sorry for me. It's my choice. Nobody's got a gun
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to my head. I want to do this. I want
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: to as much as I can before I die, because,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: as I say, you're a long time dead, you can't
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: come back. I don't want to look with regrets and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: think I should have done that, I should have done that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I've done the maximum I genuinely can. I don't think
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I could have done a lot more.
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: Where does this drive come from.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: It drives comes from stuffering. It's really strange to say
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: a drugstaposition. When I left to come here yesterday morning,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I left the sanctuary, it's beautifully tranquil. Someone was just
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: coming up in the dawn and the cattle and the
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: horses are grazing in these beautiful fields, not a care
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: in the world. And I got in the car coming
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: to He's row, and I saw a cattle transporter, a
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: double loading one, and then I saw a sheep transporter,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and it just wrecked me because why aren't those animals
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: having what my animals have got? Why do they have
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: to stuffer like that? And you feel so helpless at
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: this hopeless situation that you're facing. That drives me. It's
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: not it's not right. Injustice drives me, and that's injustice
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: in the extreme towards our fellow creatures. So yeah, I'm
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: happy to do it. I'm just I always look back
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: and think I'm blessed to be able to do it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And I will say that the years of a mobility,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I had about six years of immobility. I've got a
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: funny shape for Marison running. I've got very defined kind
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: of upper body. I'm very strong in my upper body.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And people say, oh, you do weights, you know, No, No,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I don't kind of lines. Oh yes, I don't do
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: a bit of weight training.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I haven't got a clue.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: And it's probably the years that I spent on crutches.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, my legs were in plaster for so many years.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't sound awful. I want to shaye
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: this gross woman. I don't grow hairs on my legs.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I've got no, I've got no. I'm completely baled on
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: my legs because my legs were always in plaster. It
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: killed the roost. And so I've you know, it's it's
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: it wasn't easy to be thirteen fourteen fifteen, and I
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: wanted to be outside and literally going back to the
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: hospital and being non weight bearing and in a lot
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: of pain. And I will say at this time, when
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I was introduced to hospital, that's when my mum was
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: accused of child cruelty because the diet flagged up and
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: it was considered to be an eating disorder. I mean veganism,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: an eating disorder. But I get people right to me
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: now and say the same thing. You know, doctors, health
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: professionals saying you know, it's not healthy. And you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: even when I've come back from racers, you know, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I've won him. A lady died on Everest sadly, and
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: BBC rang me and asked me for a quote, and
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, I don't know something about it. I've
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: been in Namibia anyway. I didn't know her. Didn't you
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: know she was a vegan, So I don't know every
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: vegan on the plane. There aren't six of us in
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: the world. And I knew her, but she died and
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Everest do you think that's cause she was a vegan?
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: And I said no, I think this cost Everest is
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: a very dangerous place to be, whether.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: You're a vegan or not.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: And funny enough, the guy that had helped me get
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: through the race in the Attacama at Basti, he died
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: on everest and he would he wasn't a vegan, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: so to speak. But people always say, you know, one
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: child in Italy has found malnourished, she was a vegan
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: other a reason, you know, they ignore all you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: the children out there that are malnourished and you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: abest and whatever. It's just got to be that one
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: kids who's vegan, and then all vegans are the same.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: But it's that pressed a very very quick still to
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: jump on the negativity rather than the positivity. But that's
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: what drives me. I don't care how tired I am,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: because in that race I will say, you know, it's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: hard as brutally going along way. Oh it's terribly But
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it can't be that
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: terrible that you can just put your hand up and say,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: actually and hand enough, Now, can I go back to camp?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And you can if you want.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: You're not going to because you know you desperately want
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: to complete it and get the medal. But you know,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I know I'm even I don't. I'm reluctant to say,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I know what's suffering is because you've always I've always
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: got options. Animals haven't got options. And that's what drives me.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I know that, and I know that. Yeah, it's pretty
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: insignificant what I do, but I'm lucky to be able
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: to do it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: I'm afraid to ask the next part of this question
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: because I'm afraid your your your advice is not going
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: to be good. The question is advice for dealing with injury?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm not.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: How you deal with injury? Well, I tell you not sure.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I tend sometimes I go out running sometimes and
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I feel so bad. I actually think, am I either
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: going to get through this? In one Prince, I'm just
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: going to drop dead? He has pushed me out the
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: door to go on the long run on Sunday, and
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I've been crying and I've contemplated, seriously, we live up
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: as a bridle paths, running up there, giving it all
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: the fat, and then going up there and just sitting
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: down for two hours and then coming back to say
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I've done it. But you never do when you get
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: out there. You know, you rise, don't. I wouldn't say
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I would run through injuries. This that I've got with
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: my knee, it's a manageable pain. I know how to
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: deal with that. You know I can deal with that.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't call that an injury. I wouldn't tell people
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: to go out there and bast it till its and
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: if it don't drop off your or right, I wouldn't.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that. I'd probably do it myself, I
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: have to say, but that's not what I would a vibe.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I can give out great advice, I just don't take it.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean clearly? All right?
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: Next question, how do you start training for a race?
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: And what would you recommend to somebody who wants to
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: run their first marathon?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Just a road marason. Just build up gradually and sustain it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: You haven't got to be that faster run I was
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: trying to explain something. You haven't got to be that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: fast to run a sub to forty marason. I've only
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: it's only just like ten mile an hour or whatever.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: You just got to be able to sustain it for
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a long period of time. So I would say, build
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: up gradually and don't go into it alloy. Oh yeah,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I could do forty miles today, because you're going to
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: get injured. Don't do too much. Build up gradually. That's
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: what I do with all my training. I'm not that
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: flamboyantly a good runner, but I can sustain it over
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a ten week period. I can sustain a training program
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: that's going to get me through one hundred miles a week.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: And for me, the.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Testament to the time you can run on race day
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: is only a testament to the amount of training your
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: body will allow you to do when you're actually building
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: up to the event. And that's the pure testament a
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: vegan diet.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: The recovery. You've got to be able to recover.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Very quickly, to run two sessions a day, hard sessions,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: and to keep doing it week in week. It's no
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: good doing it one week and then be you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: ripped apart and flatten you back the next. You've got
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: to be able to do it very, very gradually, and
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: don't overload. Don't stress about times, just get familiar with
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the distance. My motto is if you don't train hard,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: you want race hard. And I do have some weird
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: training going on, like if I run to up to
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: twenty miles. I never take water with me. I won't
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: allow myself water.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: That's the.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Places I can get water along route. But I like
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: to make it as hard as I can because it's
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: sure as hell going to be hard on the day.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: But consistency, Yeah, consistency, it's all important. Yeah, Yeah, you know,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: managing the miles and doing the speed work if you
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: want to run it, if you just want to get
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: around the marason, just become familiar with the mileage you've
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: got to do. If you want to run a marathon quickly,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: you've got to do speed work and you've got to
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: do hard speed work.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: So you have this background in track cycling. Yeah, so
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: that preceded the running. Yeah, I've never heard you talk
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: about it, but you can see your bikes a couple
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: of times in the movie. Do you still ride and
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: how did that career inform your running career?
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I mean cycling is very very good exercise if you
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: can't impact. That's why I took cycling. I've been cycling
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: before my injuries, and I went back to cycling because
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: it's just low impact and it's just straightforward, you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: exercise that I could do quite easily. The reason I've
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: packed up with the cycling and I've written all around
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the world bike racing on the road and the track
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: is before bike racing became so popular, we didn't have
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: much of a bike racing program in the UK till
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: sort of early naughtice. So I just did cycling because
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: it was something that I knew my body would probably
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: allow me to do, and it did to a certain extent.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: The reason I packed it up was it's very time consuming.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: You've got to be out there four or five hours
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: a day. If you want to do well on the road,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: if you want to do well on the track, you've
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: got to go to a track and train. There isn't
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: one near me. There's not one for miles. It's expensive,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: the bike's the equipment. It just wasn't for me. When
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: we moved to the Sanctuary, we didn't have a penny,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: we didn't have anything, and I said, I don't have
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: the time. I just thought, you know, and hour's running,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: two hours running a day, that's plenty, but you know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: four hours and bike maintenance. But I don't bother riding
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: my bike. Now, I tend to just train running.
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Actually I could say I do, but I don't really
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: do much cross training. I'd just run.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: Can we get you some help with the sanctuary. Can
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: we get some people to help you.
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: Out, so you don't have to wake up at three
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning every day?
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we could. Would you accept that help?
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if people wanted to come to the sanctuary and
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: help out, if they wanted to come, they would be
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: welcome to come and help.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: It's hard running a sanctuary because unless people are going
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: to come regularly, they've got to familiarize the self with
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: the animals. I never wanted the sanctuary to become an
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: institutional kind of place where you've got lots of animals
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: and it's just, ohput that horse in number twenty three
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: stable and I'll be down very soon. It was I
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: want it's a family. We are a family and keeping
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: carey and he said, do you know that horse? And
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: of course I know them all by name, I know
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: every nuance of every action they do, and I can
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: walk down that yard and I can you know, he's
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: probably waiting for me to come home and say something like,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with Angel?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: It should be Freesian horse, And so I don't know.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I hadn't noticed, and I know everything about everything just
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: from the way the standing I can tell, and it's
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: got to be somebody that comes that's willing to invest
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: and learn like that, because I think that running the
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: sanctuary as I do, you've got to preempt problems and
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: that's what I like, prevention rather than cure for the animals.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And it's also a very tranquil environment for them. I
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: don't want lots of people coming in and upsetting them.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: And because a lot of them are very heavily traumatized.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I mean we've had we've had everything at the sanctuary.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's very horrible to say. OPT shouldn't say
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: everything from dogs that have been raped heavily. You know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: we'll get all sorts come in there. It's not the
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: pretty side of animal rescue, but it's the real side
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: of it. So yeah, I would welcome help, obviously, I
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: would welcome help if people wanted to come and spend
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: time there.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is something I've talked to Gene Bauer about,
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: you know, specifically, the fact that you have to come
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: into this awareness that you're not going to be able
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: to save all of these animals, that your heart is
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: in the right place. You do the best that you can,
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: You tend to these these these beings that.
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: Are under your care, but also trying to find.
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: A way to make it sustainable because just like your
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: training about consistency, like and I just I fear, like
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: I see your schedule. I was like, how do you
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: avoid burning out? Like how do you manage this gigantic
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: load and shoulder this, you know, for such a long
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: period of time without something not just breaking down in you.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I think the thing that would break down is mentally.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: That's where vulnerable, bodily less, so you know, mentally. But
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I am very, very mentally strong, and I've got a
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: very firm reason of why I'm doing what I'm doing.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: And some people say to me, it must be easier
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: for me because you're amongst the animals all the time,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: so you see the results or the rewards of what
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: you're doing. And that is true to a certain extent.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: But on the other side of the coin, it's really
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: heartbreaking because you see how individual certain animals are. For instance,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I can never understand how people in the U, well,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: people all over it's certainly the Western world. They seem
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: to dough on their dogs and their cats, but they
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: don't even have a sort for a pig or a
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: sheep or a cow. It seems really strangely. I, for instance,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: one night it was really really hot and we've got
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: this massive load of watermelons that have been donated from Sainsbury.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: So I said, oh, let's take them over to the
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: pigs watermelons and bananas and give them a treat. So
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: we went over there and so there was all squeals
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: of delight, and it was sun setting and they're in
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: their mud bass and piggis ran out and you know,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: some wanted bananas, some wanted watermelons, some took watermelons, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: they decided wanted bananas.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: They're all running around joyous, you know.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: And you're thinking these are individual souls. It just shows
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: that they do have preferences, designs. They feel very much
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: as we feel. And that's what's very inspiring about that race.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: The Marason discible. You could just take it as a
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: tough Rice Dinney party conversation with this, I've got this medal,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you know, I've done MDS, but you could take it
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: as a life changing experience and when we're all stripped
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: back actually to the bare essentials, like in the desert.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: If you're out there, you're running and somebody offered you
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: a big gold bar, for instance, something that you cover
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: in you know, in sib Street, you'd say no, thanks
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: to ever to carry that kind of thing, and you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: realize that actually what is essential, whether you're human or
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: nonhuman alike, is water, shelter and food and not being
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: in fear and pain. They're the really important things in life.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: The material things are nothing, they're nothing at all. They're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: the things that really really matter. And that's the same
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: for animals as well, and all animals deserve that. Not
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: people come to the sanctuary and say, oh, aren't your
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: animals lucky, and I say no, they're just having what
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: there is there right, they're being afforded their rights. It
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be looking involved in it. It should be there for
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: all animals. But it's only there for a few.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: This next question is teet up for Keegan.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Keegan, what is the biggest single issue facing the world today?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: Come on, a lot of people won't like this one.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 13: Yeah, you're going to say, yeah, the biggest issue facing
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 13: the world today is humanity.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 11: That's the reality of it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 13: The world has been for three billion years doing all right,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: it goes through all these different cycles, but we're in
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 13: this largest mass extinction planet seen in sixty five million years.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 13: That's human cost. Too many of us wanting to live
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 13: a Western lifestyle. That's a problem. It's a very soluble problem.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 13: We can abstain from having children, we can adopt a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 13: plant based diet, and we can choose to voluntarily lower
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: our standard of living. Everybody in the world can't live
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 13: at the standard of living that we have in the West,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: and we've got to be real realistic about that, and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: that we've got to lower our standard of living to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 13: meet the rest of the world so there is more equality.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 11: That's probably not the answer they wanted either, though.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: I didn't have a desire for you to answer.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: One way or the other than completely honestly, which you
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: just did.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: That's my style. I have a quick question for you.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: The last time that we spoke on the podcast was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: on the cusp of what the Health coming out, and
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: we haven't sort of reconvened since then, so I'm interested
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: in what that experience has been like. Obviously, the response
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: to that movie was extraordinary. I really think that it
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: impacted culture in a very substantial way and so how
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: did you know, How do you think about the impact
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: that the movie has had, and how does that affect
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: or not affect.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: How you advocate on behalf of the things that are
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: important to you.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah, the response to what the Health has been phenomenal.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: I mean, it just totally blew me away. And I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 13: think for Kid Anderson as well, my co director on
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: that film, it's been amazing how people have received that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 13: film and digested it and implemented into their own lives
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 13: of changing their lifestyle, you know, whether going one hundred
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 13: percent vegan or just eliminating a lot of animal products
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 13: from their diet. The backlash that that film gotten wasn't
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 13: as surprising, to be honest, that we knew while making
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 13: that film that there was going to be hard pushback
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 13: to this, to the information that's in the film, because
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 13: it shines a light on a lot of things that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 13: a lot of people don't want to look at the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 13: role that large chemical agriculture plays is in our food,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 13: the role that pharmaceutical industry plays in our healthcare, the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 13: role that the meat and dairy industry plays in health organizations.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 13: A lot of people don't want that talked about it,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 13: and they don't want to hear it. So the negative
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 13: response that the film got was a little bit more expected,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 13: but it's done a lot to promote the film because
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 13: people say, oh, have you heard about that BS film
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 13: What the Health?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: And No, I haven't those check that out.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: Those guys are liars. Yeah, they're liars.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of that, right, So how do you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: do you how do you choose or choose not to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: engage in that conversation, whether it's online or in media.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 13: Yeah, my response is always very simple. Are we make
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 13: science based films, fact based films. Every single statistic, stat
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 13: and reference in the film is reference on our website
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 13: What the heealthfilm dot com, conspiracy dot com as well,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 13: and there's a resource page that has literally every single
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 13: source so you can see the original studies, so you
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 13: can look up and you can decide for yourself whether
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 13: it's true or not. I'm not a scientist journalist essentially,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 13: so I'm presenting the information that's available.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: You guys all saw cal spirascy and What the Health? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: is Kip here? I thought I saw Kip earlier.
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  Speaker 11: He might have dip down.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there he is, there he is, he's waving. So
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  Speaker 6: Kip Anderson is here. Give him a shout out as well.
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  Speaker 7: So we got to wrap this up.
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  Speaker 6: Two questions first, how and when can people who are
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 6: listening to this or watching it on YouTube, how can they.
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  Speaker 7: See the movie?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, so the film will be released shortly. We're working
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 13: on some final legal things to get it out, but
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: it was released on hopefully by middle to end of September.
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  Speaker 13: It'll also be available for theatrical screenings and community organized
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 13: screenings and then we'll see where it goes from there.
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  Speaker 13: But the feeling is is that when we get this
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 13: vegan community behind a film, just like we saw with
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 13: Kawspiercy and what the health it gives, it legs way
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  Speaker 13: beyond any distributor. And then when we get the running
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 13: world behind it, when we get the female athletics behind it,
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  Speaker 13: when we get everybody who lives their life with a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 13: mission behind it, then this film has the ability to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 13: get really out there into the world.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, are you taking it on the road? Are you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: going to go visit the running communities and do screenings?
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  Speaker 13: I'm exhausted, So no, I don't have I don't have
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: Fiona's stamina.
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  Speaker 11: I'm already working on another movie.
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  Speaker 7: So I mean, this woman who can't even really.
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  Speaker 6: Run, Fiona, how can people? I mean, you're the portrayal
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: of you in the movie, and the work that you
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: do is inspiring, and it demonstrates a level of dedication
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: to a cause that we don't typically see in our lives.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: Like it's really incredible the love and the dedication and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: the devotion that you have to the things that are
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: important to you.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: And so when you see this movie.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: If people are listening to this, you'll know what I'm
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: talking about. And I'm sure there's a lot of people
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: out there who would like to support you, who would
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: like to help you, who would like to lift you up.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: So for those people, where can they go, how can
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: they help? How can they contribute?
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  Speaker 2: We've got a website called Tower Hillstables dot org and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: they can get details on there about how to donate
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: and things like that. But the main thing I want
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: from my life, honestly, obviously, I need security. I need
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want any money from anyone in terms of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: for me, it's everything we've ever had that the sanctuary
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: goes directly to the animals, and my partner is only
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: just when he took earlier time and to actually stay
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: at the sanctuary and look after the animals when I'm
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: away a little bit more. The main thing people can
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: do is if they want to help financially, that's great
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: because I don't want money, but the vets and the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: feed merchants and everybody else do want vast sums of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: money to make this happen. The most thing is that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: they can be the best vegan they can be if
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: and go out there and promote vegnans. And that's what
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: my life is more about now, just making the world
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: see what I can see. And if they want to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: help through the sanctuary, that's amazing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: Where can they go to do?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: That's the main TowerHill Stables page as like a donate options,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: it's not just like donate money, but it's time and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: raise awareness and do a little fundraisers and things like.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: There's loads of things that people can do. It's not
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: just necessarily some money. Obviously, money is fantastic because I've
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: constantly got people beating my doors to get money. You
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: know where it's feed merchants, forage merchants. You're always listening
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: on the television, Neil. We've had a bit of hot
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: weather in the UK and suddenly all forage is going
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: to be short or wintering. It's going to be about
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: three hundred pounds a bail of hay, and you know,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: animals are going to have to be called. So oh no,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a disaster. But yeah, through through
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the website is the best place. And if anybody contacts me,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm always you know, there and through my
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: mails and they want to ask, you know, can we
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: do a little fundraiser for you? Or people do all
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: sorts of things like cap baits and sponsored silencers and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: name the Teddy, you know, lots of things that innovative
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: ways and you know, and just spread the word about
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the sanctuary because there might be other people out there
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: that want to help. That's the main thing that can do.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not that good at asking for things from people,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: to be honest with.
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  Speaker 7: What I'm asking for you.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and what do you what kind of crazy world
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: record are you chasing?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: Next?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Well, what I'm going to do is I'm doing the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Atticarma crossing. I'll just go back to the attic Arma
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Desert and do week stage why why not? And then
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: after that, because I'll be in pretty good shape, probably
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: break the world record for the fastest women run a
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: marathon in my house suit because I can do that
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: in the UK because it'll be the autumn and you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: get more interest, and then run a championship qualifying for London.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: So that's got to just run a sub three Marason.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: But that'd be quite good in a house because it'd
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: be quite quite a novelty thing. And then I go
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: back to the Marason disable next year, hopefully with my
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: new shoes and they don't fall the pieces on me
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: and I can actually hit it hard or harder.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: And if people want to check out your shoes, where can.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: They They're at Will's Vegan Shoes.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: If you look at Will's Vegan Shoes.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Will design these after the terrible plight of what happened
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: in the desert, and they are.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Actually really really good for trail running.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: They're really robust and I've got about five Marison discables
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: in these, So don't tell Martin because I think I'm
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: going back for the next five years. But yeah, these
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: are really excellent. Who You can find them at Will's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Vegan Shoes in the UK.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 13: You also find them on our website, the Running for Film,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 13: Running for Good film dot Com and the amazing thing
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 13: about these shoes is that thirty percent of the sales
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 13: goes directly to the sanctuary.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: So oh, that's cool. That's a great way for people.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 11: That's it.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 13: As far as I know. They're the world's first carbon
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 13: neutral sweatshop, free intentionally vegan trail running shoe and then again,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 13: thirty percent of it goes to the animals directly.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Fiona, you need to hire this guy as your publicist.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 11: I made a whole movie about it.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: I can't right see look what he's done for you. Keegan.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: Let's wrap this up with can you talk about what's
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: next for you and what you're working on.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 11: Yeah, So I'm working on a new film called Hungry.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 13: For Justice, which is a food justice documentary with my
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 13: friend John Lewis, the Badass Vegan.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 11: It's a former guest on Ritual podcast, and.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 13: It follows John on this journey looking at the link
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 13: between diet disease, poverty, institutionalized racism, government corruption, and so
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 13: much more. Because it's really John on this journey. He's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 13: originally from Ferguson, Missouri, which unfortunately has always been an
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 13: impoverished and violent community, and he's seen the disease that's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 13: rampant there, and so he's looking to answer this question,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 13: why is it that Americans of color suffer from disproportionately
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 13: higher rates of chronic disease, diabetes, heart disease.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 11: And cancer.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 13: And then once those people are diagnosed, why are they
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 13: more likely to die from.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: Those diseases than Caucasian Americans.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 13: So it's a deep film looking at the role of
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 13: institutionalized racism in medicine, the historical implication of a colonial diet,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 13: a Western diet that's been pushed on communities of color.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 13: But it does that through the lens of hip hop.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 13: So we're interviewing and highlighting influential hip hop artists and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 13: R and B artists who are plant based or vegan
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 13: or talk about food consciousness, because arguably hip hop is
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 13: the most influential art form in human history. What hip
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 13: hop artists where say, do drive, eat, drink and talk
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 13: about influences the purchasing power of millions of people around
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 13: the world. So when these people start talking about the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 13: importance of healthy eating, of veganism, of being conscious of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 13: what you put in your body, they have the ability
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 13: to truly change this world.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 11: So it's shaped up to.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 13: Be a really powerful film or about halfway through shooting,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 13: and I hope to have that out probably this time
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 13: next year. Trying to do a feature every year awesome.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 13: Can I before you close it, I want to thank
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 13: you so much, Rich for all of your support of
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 13: the film, for all of our films that we've done.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 13: You have been so generous with your time to be
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 13: the narrator for the film, which I feel incredibly indebted
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 13: to you for doing this event tonight. I think ninety
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 13: eight percent of the people who are here would have
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 13: shown up without a movie screening, just the fact that
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 13: Ritual is doing it, and I really appreciate you off coming,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 13: but I feel it's so indebted to you for that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 13: I'm so grateful to Chris Swan, to everybody at Sideshow
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 13: who helped put on this event, to Jason the fact
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 13: that actually probably eighty percent of the people involved in
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 13: making this movie, which is a very short list, are
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 13: here tonight.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: Can we give a shout out to Jason. He's the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: composer for the Jason Stand Up. So this is Jason Cameolo.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: He is.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: The audio engineer for the podcast, but he's also.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: The composer of the music in the film.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 13: Tonight, which the score for the film is like the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 13: third character. To me, it's Fiona, it's the desert, and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 13: then it's the music. To Aimon Stewart, who did the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 13: animations all the maps, he's an extremely talented big shout
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 13: out to him.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 13: Sasha Perry, my co editor, unfortunately had a dip out early.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 13: Jim Greenbaum, who's one of our executive producers. Incredible guy,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 13: Greg Anzeloon, unfortunate campy here tonight, incredible supporter, unbelievable bent
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 13: over backwards to promote this film. There's so many people,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 13: but again, I just I feel so thankful to you
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 13: Rich for using your platform to highlight people's stories. You
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 13: again give a voice to so many people who don't
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 13: have a larger voice, and I'm just deeply appreciative. And
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 13: I think everybody else here who's a fan of the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 13: show is deeply appreciative for the work he do.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: Well. I appreciate that, but thank you.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: It's an honor and a privilege to be able to
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: share a message as potent and powerful as the message
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: that both of you are putting out in the world.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: So thank you for having a message.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: And allowing me to share it. And I think that's
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: it and we did it.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: How do you feel, Fianna, how you feel you ready
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: to go to a restaurant.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: It's past your bedtime?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: We slaved and grateful and thankful and humble. It's just surreal,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: surreal to me. Anybody didn't want to come spend time
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: looking at this, It's really is.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, talking to the mic. Yes, all right, let's hear it.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: For Fiona and for Keegan and for.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: Everybody who's here tonight who supported or helped create this
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: beautiful movie. Support this movie, tell your friends, share it
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: on social media, support independent cinema. And I am eager
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: to do more live events and hopefully I will be
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: doing more of this kind of stuff, so I'll let
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: you always know. And I really appreciate everybody who came
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: out tonight on a weeknight to spend some time with us.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: So thanks to all of you for coming. Peace. Peace,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 7: you said, take us out, plans done to me to
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: think him