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Episode 7: She's Not A Real Cat Lady · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode seven of Ravellio for November
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Speaker 1: twenty eighth, twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: I'm Amy, I'm Tom.
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Speaker 3: We have very special guests today hosting this episode. Steph.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Steph.
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Speaker 3: Hi, guys, So I want to introduce yourself and tell
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Speaker 3: us a little bit about you know your Hobwarts, hows
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Speaker 3: how you got into Harry Potter, and you know how
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Speaker 3: you've evolved in the fandom. So yeah, I'll give it
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Speaker 3: to you.
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Speaker 4: So I'm Stephanie. I am a Hufflepuff through and through.
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Speaker 4: I got my first Harry Potter book towards the beginning
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Speaker 4: of when they were coming out as a birthday present
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Speaker 4: and became very much obsessed from there on out only
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Speaker 4: Potterhead and my family. So no one would let me
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Speaker 4: watch the movie, sort, let's talk about it. If I
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Speaker 4: wanted to, I had to. Well, I literally had to
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Speaker 4: watch them in secret, Yeah, when no one was home,
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Speaker 4: or if I was in my room by myself, Like
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Speaker 4: I could not watch them when my family was around.
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Speaker 4: And now I'm just diving back into fandom as a
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Speaker 4: whole as the creator and one of the hosts of
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Speaker 4: the podcast Expecto Podronum.
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Speaker 1: Yes, which I also co host with Steph, and so
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Speaker 1: does our graphic designer Carolyn and our social media manager Liz.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of us got roped in on this project.
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Speaker 1: Good times awesome, all right, which Expectopodtronum actually sort of
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Speaker 1: ties into our theme for this episode. So in this episode,
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Speaker 1: we'll be discussing animals and their roles in the Wizarding World.
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Speaker 1: But first.
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Speaker 4: Listening to w WN, the Wizarding Wireless Network.
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Speaker 5: Now for the latest headlines.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so hopping onto today's news, Harry Potter Wizards of
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Speaker 3: Baking airs on Food Network and is currently streaming on Max,
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Speaker 3: so be sure to check it out.
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Speaker 2: I haven't watched it, but.
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Speaker 3: What I've seen from the trailers and the spots and
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Speaker 3: TV spots and social media posts, it looks pretty amazing,
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Speaker 3: like the designs and everything just looks so authentic and yeah,
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Speaker 3: curious to check it out definitely.
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Speaker 4: However, they toasted by the Phelps Twins, right, Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I need to watch it just for that reason.
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Speaker 1: I did watch it. Yeah, it was fun. Like I'm
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Speaker 1: not a big baking show person, but like I really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed seeing all the cakes, the Hufflepuff cake, right, like
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Speaker 1: the very first team that goes is amazing, like the
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Speaker 1: badger that they put on it, just like it's crazy
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Speaker 1: the details. So it's pretty incredible the stuff that they
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Speaker 1: can do for sure.
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Speaker 2: Nice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Phelps Twins weren't great.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, the fact that they're actually at the studio
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Speaker 3: tour makes it like a lot more special, brings a
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Speaker 3: lot more toff into it.
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Speaker 2: And yes, cool, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of fun. Like the first episode,
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Speaker 1: the concept was like the teams got their invitation and
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Speaker 1: they had to come and compete to get a ticket
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Speaker 1: onto the Hogwarts Express to ride the train to the
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Speaker 1: next round. So it's kind of cute. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I need to catch up on that because it seems
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Speaker 3: very very fun. I love a good competition show. Okay, Next,
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Speaker 3: Harry Potter Quidditch Champions is now available on Nintendo Switch or.
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Speaker 3: Originally it was thought Switch players would have to wait
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Speaker 3: a bit longer, but the game has been released on
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Speaker 3: the platform and is currently available, and I can attest
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Speaker 3: to that because I downloaded it.
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Speaker 2: I haven't played it yet, but I have it there.
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Speaker 1: Just in time for Christmas.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so yeah, Next on we have the very first
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Speaker 3: of many casting rumblings for the Harry Potter HBO series.
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Speaker 3: Variety reported that an insider is telling them that actor
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Speaker 3: Mark Rylance is being eyed for the role of Albus Dumbledore.
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Speaker 3: Rolence is a sixty four year old British actor known
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Speaker 3: for his roles in Bridges, Spices, the Trial off The
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Speaker 3: Chicago Seven. The BFG, wolf Hall and Dunkirk Warner Brothers
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Speaker 3: has not confirmed this rumor, and they also have not
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Speaker 3: yet announced the casting of the trio, for which an
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Speaker 3: opening an open casting call was put out in early September,
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Speaker 3: will no doubt start to hear more rumors and speculation
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Speaker 3: over the next several months and hopefully start to get
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Speaker 3: some actual announcements soon.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: I don't really know a lot about Mark Rylance, honestly. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And all the pictures go out and I was like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard of these things that he's in,
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Speaker 1: but I can't picture him in them, so I don't know.
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Speaker 2: We'll see he's British.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, point one done, requirement check.
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Speaker 3: Moving on to some park theme news, Universal Orlando has
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Speaker 3: finally unveiled a sneak peek into the full scale recreation
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Speaker 3: of the British Ministry of Magic, which which will be
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Speaker 3: part of Harry Potter's Wizarding World latest attraction, Harry Potter
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Speaker 3: and the Battle at the Ministry, opening May twenty second,
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. So these spelt binding images feature the
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Speaker 3: iconic fireplaces, the Magnificent Lobby, an enhanced weather ceiling, and
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Speaker 3: umberg Just former office, which includes a first actual glimpse
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Speaker 3: of Umbrage's former house Elf Hickldy. So yeah, curious CGIs
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Speaker 3: and imatronic.
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Speaker 2: So it looks so good.
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Speaker 1: Just the scale, like from these pictures, the scale of
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Speaker 1: the inside of this, it's like crazy, it looks nass.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And the I'm so curious about the the weather ceiling,
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Speaker 3: like the animated weather It's gonna feel like the Great
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Speaker 3: holl somehow, like some sort of enchanted ceiling. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see if it's always going to be
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Speaker 3: like that missed like on top of you know, if
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Speaker 3: there's going to be like different climate changes or you know,
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Speaker 3: like I wonder how that's going to pan out.
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Speaker 2: But it's really exciting.
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Speaker 1: Can they change it for like Christmas in the parks
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Speaker 1: and have it be like smell.
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Speaker 3: That would be nice, Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, that'd be interesting.
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Speaker 3: And the scale, like you guys said, like it's wow.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm looking at it and it seems like it's
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Speaker 3: straight out of the films, like and it's not even
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Speaker 3: like even in the films they just only recreated like
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Speaker 3: a small part of it. They built an actual set.
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Speaker 3: But I think this is like just you know, just
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Speaker 3: going to the next level of immersiveness and magic and
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Speaker 3: it's just it's part of what Universal does best. And
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Speaker 3: you know, we couldn't expect anything less when this was announced.
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Speaker 2: So I'm super super excited for this.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was trying to keep my expectations low, but
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Speaker 4: seeing these photos, like I'm like, okay, well that idea
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Speaker 4: is over.
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Speaker 1: Take my money.
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Speaker 3: Yes, like one has Universal you know, let us down.
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Speaker 3: Like all their expansions have been like top notch. They've
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Speaker 3: been so the intention to detail, the how expansive they are,
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Speaker 3: how immersive they are, how magical, and I yeah, I
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Speaker 3: just I'm so I'm very like proud that Universal has
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Speaker 3: just you know, continued making such amazing things almost like
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Speaker 3: fifteen years in.
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Speaker 2: So yes, let's go Universal way.
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Speaker 5: I can't wait either.
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Speaker 2: You guys are definitely going to be there than me, so.
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Speaker 1: You've got to come and plan a trip over here.
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Speaker 2: Tom Oh, definitely, yeah, definitely will.
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Speaker 4: I think we're planning one for either late twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: five or twenty twenty six over on Expecto Potronum.
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Speaker 1: So come with us podcasts.
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Speaker 3: That's tempting. Yeah, that's tempting. I'll definitely consider it, okay.
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Speaker 3: And to wrap up today's news. Last week, there was
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Speaker 3: an auction of several Harry Potter props used in the films,
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Speaker 3: including Harry's First Want, which was sold for over one
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. Other items up forbidding included house ropes,
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Speaker 3: the Nimbus two thousand broomstick, and even a piece of
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Speaker 3: the destroyed wooden bridge from Deathly Hollow's Part two, among
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Speaker 3: many other iconic props. But the real showstopper here is
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Speaker 3: actually the Marauder's map prop, which had been previously owned
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Speaker 3: by Danny Radcliffe's former stunt double David Holmes, and this app,
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Speaker 3: featured in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, was
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Speaker 3: sold for whopping two hundred and ninety nine thousand, two
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty dollars at Prop Stores Entertainment Memorabilia Live Auction,
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Speaker 3: making it and listening to this the most expensive prop
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Speaker 3: ever sold in the Harry Potter franchise. According to People
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Speaker 3: dot Com, proceeds from the map sale will go towards
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Speaker 3: David Holmes's mobility equipment and personal care.
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Speaker 4: That's almost as much as my house.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Here, I'm stressing out about trying to like sell my
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Speaker 1: soul to secure Taylor Swift tickets. Like that's like a
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Speaker 1: drop in the bucket compared to this.
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Speaker 2: I've seen you, Amy, I've seen you on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see me just trying to hustle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, so, like I was there, I was actually
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Speaker 3: watching this auction live, I thinks, yeah, last Thursday, and
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Speaker 3: I just couldn't believe how much it went for. Like
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Speaker 3: people were bidding and it was just kept going up
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Speaker 3: and up and up and up, and it's wow, it's crazy. Like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think it was such a I mean, it's iconic,
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Speaker 3: but is it like really worth that much money?
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Speaker 2: Having?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean did they know, Like, did people bidding
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Speaker 1: know that the proceeds were going to David Holmes.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he actually introduced it.
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Speaker 3: So before the bidding tape took place for this item,
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Speaker 3: this particular item, they broadcasted this video from him where
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Speaker 3: he was like explaining the story behind the prop and
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Speaker 3: how he you know, it had belonged to him this
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Speaker 3: whole time and he was putting it up for auction
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Speaker 3: and uh yeah, so it had this whole backstory and
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Speaker 3: and I think it's for a great cause too, So
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Speaker 3: I'm very happy.
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Speaker 1: At the same time, that probably influenced what people or
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Speaker 1: willing to put out there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely a millionaire. Yeah, he probably was like, well,
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Speaker 2: I want to work like I can add to my
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Speaker 2: collection today, you know.
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Speaker 1: For the paper.
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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, wow, yeah, yikes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that wraps up today's news.
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Speaker 1: All right, So heading into our main discussion, we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about animals and their roles in Harry Potter,
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Speaker 1: specifically non magical creatures, because I feel like we talked
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Speaker 1: about non magical creatures quite a bit, so I thought
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Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to look at some of just the
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Speaker 1: regular quote unquote regular animals in the series, how they're
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Speaker 1: used in the plot, maybe some of their meanings and
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Speaker 1: things like that. So kicking us off, obviously, we have
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Speaker 1: to talk about owls because there's so many you can't
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Speaker 1: think of Harry Potter, and I think owls so a
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Speaker 1: little bit of their symbolism and meaning. Owls symbolize wisdom,
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Speaker 1: new beginnings, truth and knowledge, and they're often associated with
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Speaker 1: the spiritual world, which makes sense so how they're seen
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Speaker 1: or used in the wizarding world. They're used to carry
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Speaker 1: post in the Harry Potter series, which could kind of
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Speaker 1: be seen as like a connection to Hermes, the Greek
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Speaker 1: god who is considered a messenger and had winged sandals.
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Speaker 1: So because of this, a lot of birds are considered messengers,
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Speaker 1: kind of spinning off of that original Greek myth legend.
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Speaker 5: So that's really interesting.
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Speaker 4: I love Greek mythology, and I have never heard an
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Speaker 4: owl connected the specifically an owl connected to Hermes. They
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Speaker 4: are always very much a symbol of Athena in regards
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Speaker 4: to like the knowledge, the wisdom and all of that stuff,
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Speaker 4: so I know they are an Athena animal. I've never
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Speaker 4: thought of them being connected to Hermes.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I feel almost like Harry Potter does like
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Speaker 1: a mashup of those two of like the Athena connection,
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Speaker 1: but then like also birds as messengers, and like taking
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Speaker 1: that and putting that assigning it to the owl instead
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Speaker 1: of a different type of bird. So I wonder if
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Speaker 1: like the owl was kind of chosen because of that
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Speaker 1: spiritual symbolism, but also the connection to Athena, and then
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Speaker 1: was assigned to the role of carrying letters because of
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Speaker 1: this other Greek myth. Like I wonder if it's just
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Speaker 1: sort of like a mash up of a bunch of
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Speaker 1: different things.
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Speaker 4: I'm also putting on my practicality hat for the Wizarding World,
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Speaker 4: and it's just like, owls are nocturnal, so they travel
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Speaker 4: mostly at night, which would primarily mean they would be
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Speaker 4: in the process of delivering messages overnight, so you would
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Speaker 4: have them in the morning by the time you would
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Speaker 4: need to open them, which also just poses many funny
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Speaker 4: images at Hogwarts, and so many questions about how owl
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Speaker 4: posts works there, like filter just up on the roof,
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Speaker 4: cleaning off all the owl droppings as they wait to enter,
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Speaker 4: or owls being trained. But I also feel like it's
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Speaker 4: just like a matter of practicality, other than they're a
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Speaker 4: lot cooler than messenger pigeons or any other type of
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Speaker 4: bird the traveling at so people can have their post
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Speaker 4: in the morning, the delivering of the papers in the morning.
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Speaker 5: Kind of stuff like that.
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Speaker 4: I wonder if that has anything to do with that
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Speaker 4: selection in a lizarding world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Plus I don't I don't picture a pigeon delivering post. No,
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Speaker 3: it's it's gotta be something that has a firm, you know, grip,
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Speaker 3: you know, something a little bulkier and bigger, and yeah,
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Speaker 3: and now will just you know, it just fits.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, also, like you're saying, if they're flying at
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Speaker 1: night carrying these packages, that kind of gives it some
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Speaker 1: cover as well. For like the Statute of Secrecy.
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Speaker 4: You just imagine like a raven or a hawk flying
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Speaker 4: midday carrying a big box and all the muggles down
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Speaker 4: are going, what is that?
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Speaker 1: Because it wasn't That was like the thing in like
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Speaker 1: the first book of like the alls are acting weird
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Speaker 1: there during the day, and that was kind of because
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Speaker 1: it was like urgent news happening, right, So they were
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Speaker 1: trying to spread the word. So they're out during the
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Speaker 1: day instead of at night their usual flying routine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. So we've got owls in general, but we also
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Speaker 1: obviously have Hedwig, who is a very big component of
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Speaker 1: these books. And Hedwig is a companion to Harry. So
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Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking about the symbolism of owls
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Speaker 1: the wisdom, new beginnings, blah blah. Headwig coming into Harry's
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Speaker 1: life kind of marks a new beginning for him in
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Speaker 1: regards to joining the Wizarding World, and her death could
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Speaker 1: also be considered a new beginning, because I know it's
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Speaker 1: said that it's supposed to mark kind of the end
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Speaker 1: of the childhood, right and then like the start of adulthood.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's kind of interesting to think of
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Speaker 1: in that regards of like how Hadwig's presence or lack thereof,
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Speaker 1: is affecting that new beginning and new chapter.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, he was just coming of age at that point,
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Speaker 3: and so I think, you know, it's definitely a loss
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Speaker 3: of innocence. Also, like him starting in this new adult
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Speaker 3: world where you know, he's no longer going to be
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Speaker 3: at Hogwarts, he's you know, on the run. Just you know,
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Speaker 3: it's he becomes an adult so abruptly at the same time.
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Speaker 3: So I love that kind of like symbolism that her
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Speaker 3: death just really kind of like starts this new journey for.
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Speaker 2: Him into adulthood.
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Speaker 7: It's yeah, yeah, And we can't talk about animals without
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Speaker 7: talking about the house animals, of course.
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Speaker 1: So first up, we've got the lion, which symbolizes strength, courage, royalty, justice,
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Speaker 1: and leadership. In many different religions, lions represent various gods
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Speaker 1: as well, so it's a very regal leader kind of symbol,
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Speaker 1: which makes sense for gryffindor.
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Speaker 2: Justice too, it is the king of the jungle.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got our snake or serpent for Slytherin, which
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Speaker 1: symbolizes healing, rejuvenation, rebirth, wisdom, sensuality, temptation, and evil. So
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Speaker 1: quite the variety.
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Speaker 2: Why am I Why am I remembering death, beater, thirst, traps?
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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, right, Nicole would be very happy.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that list is healing.
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Speaker 1: Mhmm.
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Speaker 5: The only one that surprises me out of that list
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Speaker 5: is healing. When I think of snakes, I really don't
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Speaker 5: think of healing. They're associate them with healing at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you know, the like little doctor symbol
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Speaker 1: thing where it's like going up that Ye, yeah.
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Speaker 5: That is true. I forgot about that.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
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Speaker 1: I think the healing and rejuvenation and rebirth stuff is
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Speaker 1: because of the shedding of the skin.
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Speaker 5: That's where we get at. That makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So the depiction of the snake in the garden and
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Speaker 1: the story of Adam and Eve has also very much
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Speaker 1: colored their perception of and meaning behind snake imagery and
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Speaker 1: a lot of Western cultures. So that's where we get
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Speaker 1: this whole temptation, evil sensuality kind of meaning behind that
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Speaker 1: as well. So we obviously see more snakes than just
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Speaker 1: the Slytherin serpent. We've got Niccghini, the companion to Valdemore,
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Speaker 1: who we also know as once a human woman.
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Speaker 2: So weird, and we'll never know what happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll never know what went on there, but okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So it's also interesting the thing about rebirth and rejuvenation
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Nighini, because she's also literally keeping
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Speaker 1: Baltimore alive by holding part of his soul, which led
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Speaker 1: to him being able to have that rebirth moment of
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Speaker 1: coming back because his soul was still in various things.
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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 1: We've also got the bass lisk, which has roots in
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this wrong, Helen Helenic and Roman legends. Helenic.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have put the k on it, but yeah, Helenic.
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Speaker 1: So these legends are of bass lisks or large serpents
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Speaker 1: who have deadly stare or deadly breath, So that is
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Speaker 1: the inspiration for the bassilisk as we see it in
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Speaker 1: Harry Potter, with its stare that can kill or petrify.
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Speaker 4: And Helenic is a form of Greek religion, so normally
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Speaker 4: when you hear Helenic Helenic talanism, they are referring to
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Speaker 4: the worshiping of Greek deities.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it learned something new today. We also have the
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Speaker 1: snake at the Zoo in the very first book, which
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Speaker 1: Harry did sort of unconsciously given to the temptation of
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Speaker 1: payback towards Dudley by vanishing the glass. So it's just
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Speaker 1: kind of a fun little tie in with the temptation part.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And then we've got Hufflepuff's badger, which the badger, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the badger symbolizes courage, ferocity, warfare, protection, healing, and reclusivity
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Speaker 1: and yeah, fun little note. Badgers occupy the same set
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Speaker 1: or den for generations, so they love their homes, their
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Speaker 1: little homebodies, which is adorable.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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Speaker 3: It always it always kind of like translates into this
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Speaker 3: very cozy thing, you know, like very you know, uh,
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Speaker 3: surrounded by a fireplace and just you know, kind of
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Speaker 3: like closing up in a little blanket and you're a
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Speaker 3: little you know den and uh, it's always had it
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Speaker 3: always has like that fuzzy feeling like that very like,
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Speaker 3: which is the complete opposite of slitherin. You know, it's cold,
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Speaker 3: and you know it's beneath you know, it's also like
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Speaker 3: beneath the ground, but it's it's it's a different type
24:43
Speaker 3: of thing. Yeah, exactly.
24:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, leave me alone with my books and my plants.
24:48
Speaker 5: I'll be happy.
24:50
Speaker 1: I just think it's so funny. It's like courage, ferocity, warfare.
24:54
Speaker 1: We just love our homes.
24:56
Speaker 2: Yes, lots of warm.
25:00
Speaker 1: I'll fight you, but only if I have to. I
25:02
Speaker 1: don't want to.
25:07
Speaker 2: So it could be introverts too, right, like a little introvert.
25:12
Speaker 4: Very very much so.
25:16
Speaker 1: And then we have raven claws eagle, which represents intelligence, power, freedom, pride,
25:24
Speaker 1: and strength, which those all make sense. We have no
25:30
Speaker 1: single clause on this show.
25:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
25:38
Speaker 1: Another animal that we see quite a bit of is
25:42
Speaker 1: the cat. So cat's symbolism and meaning. They're often tied
25:50
Speaker 1: to magic and mysticism, especially witchcraft and female witches. They
25:57
Speaker 1: can act as guys and guardians represent femininity, curiosity, independence, luck,
26:03
Speaker 1: both good and bad. Depending on the culture and how
26:11
Speaker 1: they're seen in the Wizarding World.
26:13
Speaker 4: We've got Crookshanks, maybe a cat, maybe something else, who
26:19
Speaker 4: really knows.
26:20
Speaker 5: I support the latter theory, but half cat have neasle, Yeah,
26:25
Speaker 5: as I'd say, that's just me.
26:26
Speaker 4: I also don't know if I spelled nesle correctly, but
26:28
Speaker 4: I tried my best.
26:32
Speaker 1: I buy it. You know, Krookshanks is like crafty, Like
26:36
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'm not saying cats.
26:38
Speaker 4: Cats are very smart, but I feel like Crookshanks is
26:42
Speaker 4: like a whole different level of Some are aware of
26:47
Speaker 4: her surrounding, like they're.
26:50
Speaker 1: Very tuned in.
26:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like she's either been a witch's familiar before,
26:56
Speaker 4: which is very common for cats in general, not so
27:00
Speaker 4: much in the Harry Potter world of witchcraft, but witchcraft
27:04
Speaker 4: in general. Cats are very often familiars for witches, and
27:09
Speaker 4: like that's why she's so they're so attuned, or if
27:14
Speaker 4: it's because she mixed with a little bit of spice.
27:20
Speaker 5: I also don't know if it's a she. I just
27:21
Speaker 5: kind of always assumed.
27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really.
27:25
Speaker 4: I think it's a heat too, which is why I
27:27
Speaker 4: kept correcting myself today because I didn't want to be
27:29
Speaker 4: wrong and misger Cat, I'll just go to your neutral space.
27:35
Speaker 2: It's very interesting.
27:36
Speaker 3: I think it goes very much in tune with Hermione too,
27:38
Speaker 3: Like I think it's a perfect pet for her, always
27:42
Speaker 3: thinking ahead. And there's also this crazy fan theory that's
27:46
Speaker 3: been you know that it used to belong to Lily
27:49
Speaker 3: in the past, because it was said that. Yeah, it's crazy,
27:54
Speaker 3: but at the same time, it makes you wonder because
27:56
Speaker 3: that's why he was chasing after in that time. It'scabburs
28:00
Speaker 3: and you know, like it makes you like, it makes
28:04
Speaker 3: you think, it really makes you like, Okay, what if
28:06
Speaker 3: what if you know she found him? I think when
28:09
Speaker 3: when she mentioned she Krookshanks with kind of like an
28:12
Speaker 3: abandoned kind at that point in the store, like nobody
28:16
Speaker 3: wanted him, so Hermione kind of like picked it up
28:19
Speaker 3: for herself, and you know, so I wonder how it was,
28:27
Speaker 3: like it would make sense in certain ways, but yeah,
28:30
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's a long shot, like there's there's
28:33
Speaker 3: no way for us to know if it actually happened,
28:35
Speaker 3: and we'll probably never know. But I think it's an
28:37
Speaker 3: interesting theory definitely.
28:39
Speaker 4: And I feel like if we put stock in that theory,
28:41
Speaker 4: which I am kind of behind.
28:42
Speaker 5: I love that idea.
28:44
Speaker 4: Then I feel like we have to think that Crookshanks
28:47
Speaker 4: has more in him than just cat because I understand
28:50
Speaker 4: cats can.
28:50
Speaker 5: Have a very like they can have a longer lifespan.
28:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I that's a long How long are neasles
29:00
Speaker 1: supposed to live?
29:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me do a little because if it's half Nesle,
29:05
Speaker 3: then Nesle like lie expectancy.
29:09
Speaker 1: Easels live. I don't know how much I trust Google AI,
29:20
Speaker 1: but that's the quickest thing to pull off. Right now.
29:24
Speaker 1: It says some needsles can live to be at least
29:27
Speaker 1: twenty six years old.
29:30
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.
29:34
Speaker 1: So this is pulled from Fantastic Beasts. I'm I think
29:39
Speaker 1: it's the little like forward in the book. It says,
29:46
Speaker 1: for example, Hoppy, Millie and Moler lived with Newton Tina
29:51
Speaker 1: from at least nineteen ninety one to twenty seventeen.
29:55
Speaker 5: Wow, so that makes more sense for me.
29:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, crook Shanks is a part Measel if he is
30:02
Speaker 4: Lily's Yan.
30:04
Speaker 1: Yes, interesting, I could see it. I mean yeah, because
30:12
Speaker 1: cats are very, very loyal to begin with, and then
30:17
Speaker 1: if you mix that with Neisle, and there's like hyper
30:20
Speaker 1: intelligence and awareness mm hmm. Yeah, he would know who
30:26
Speaker 1: Scabbers was and remember and go after him.
30:30
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmm.
30:32
Speaker 5: I feel like then he would know.
30:34
Speaker 4: Roughly who Harry is, even though I'm serious he may
30:37
Speaker 4: have only.
30:38
Speaker 5: Known Harry for a year as a baby.
30:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like he would still be able to
30:42
Speaker 4: identify him even if it's just his smell or something
30:45
Speaker 4: like that.
30:47
Speaker 5: This is one of my people.
30:49
Speaker 1: So think about how Crookshanks acted with Serious and would
30:56
Speaker 1: you know, like when Serious was in dog fur or
31:00
Speaker 1: communicate and stuff like if Crookshanks was the Potter's cat,
31:06
Speaker 1: it obviously would have known Serious too, Yeah, because Serious
31:10
Speaker 1: would have been around a magi forms. Yeah, sold. So
31:25
Speaker 1: then another cat we have is mcgonagall's animagus form. So
31:33
Speaker 1: I think it's such a good connection to that, you know,
31:41
Speaker 1: the folklore of cats as you know familiars and the
31:47
Speaker 1: mysticism and being connected to femininity and blah blah blah,
31:52
Speaker 1: Like it just makes sense for McGonagall. Like when we
31:56
Speaker 1: see McGonagall, she's very much that traditional image of a
32:00
Speaker 1: which with her body hat. It just it fits. It
32:05
Speaker 1: makes sense.
32:08
Speaker 4: Going along with that and how powerful I also, do
32:10
Speaker 4: just have to throw out her patronis is herself? Yeah,
32:18
Speaker 4: I love it. So I'm pretty sure her patronas has
32:22
Speaker 4: the same spectacle markings.
32:24
Speaker 5: That her in a magi form has.
32:27
Speaker 4: So she is so amazing and strong and powerful that
32:33
Speaker 4: she's like, you know what's going.
32:34
Speaker 5: To protect me the best me? Let's go.
32:41
Speaker 2: Drop mic.
32:43
Speaker 5: She can produce patrons.
32:47
Speaker 2: So nice.
32:50
Speaker 1: Then we also have Umbradges patronis that's a cat, and
32:55
Speaker 1: she's also quite cat obsessed herself with her office stakehore.
33:02
Speaker 2: But she hates cats.
33:05
Speaker 5: Do I don't think she hates cats?
33:12
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm pretty sure I read that.
33:16
Speaker 1: I don't know.
33:17
Speaker 5: I am just essentially like cats.
33:19
Speaker 4: But now I'm also wondering that if I wonder if
33:21
Speaker 4: she's so cat obsessed, because you were saying mcgonagtle powerful,
33:27
Speaker 4: it fits her.
33:29
Speaker 5: She is our personification of a witch.
33:31
Speaker 4: If Umbradge holds onto that so much, because she's not
33:35
Speaker 4: as powerful, she's not as secure in herself and her
33:38
Speaker 4: powers and everything, so she wants that cat connection.
33:45
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm, could bag I mean it says?
33:47
Speaker 3: It says a rolling herself said that she doesn't even
33:50
Speaker 3: like real cats.
33:51
Speaker 2: She can start them in picture for.
33:54
Speaker 3: Him, so I would have to I would have to, yeah,
33:58
Speaker 3: research on that, but I was sure I had read
34:01
Speaker 3: it not too long ago that she's kind of like
34:05
Speaker 3: very much but also kind of like the cat gives
34:08
Speaker 3: you this.
34:10
Speaker 1: What was that she's a poser, Like she's not a
34:13
Speaker 1: real cat lady. Yeah, she's like giving cat ladies a
34:17
Speaker 1: bad name.
34:19
Speaker 3: But wouldn't it make sense with her character though, Like
34:22
Speaker 3: it's all about you know, pretending. Yeah, you know, so
34:27
Speaker 3: it's kind of like she just wants to disguise herself
34:30
Speaker 3: in this kind of like very like cat lady person,
34:32
Speaker 3: very stylish, very you know, like and she's a devil.
34:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like very like non threatening. Yeah, but and
34:42
Speaker 1: it's all like very puffy cats too.
34:44
Speaker 3: If you see her, you know, her office, and it's
34:46
Speaker 3: all like, you know, it's it just seems like so
34:50
Speaker 3: fluffy and you know so and and she's a complete opposite.
34:54
Speaker 3: So I think it's also a way of her kind
34:56
Speaker 3: of like putting this shield and saying okay, know, kind
35:00
Speaker 3: of like protecting her real self. So it's interesting. Definitely
35:07
Speaker 3: have to look that up to make sure, but yeah.
35:10
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's like my new favorite, like non in
35:13
Speaker 1: the books thing exists, it's like, hilarious, I love it. Yeah,
35:22
Speaker 1: but you know, because she doesn't actually like cats, she'd
35:25
Speaker 1: be that person that like the cat immediately goes to
35:29
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, because cats are really like you don't like me?
35:32
Speaker 1: Here I am. I'm in your face now.
35:34
Speaker 2: Hey, same with kids.
35:36
Speaker 3: The more you don't like kids, the more they you know,
35:39
Speaker 3: they come to you. Yeah, and the closer they say
35:42
Speaker 3: to you on an airplane and they're just crying the
35:44
Speaker 3: whole trip and you're like, no, keep.
35:49
Speaker 4: Your grimy hands over there, Amy, when we were out together,
35:55
Speaker 4: and I would like acknowledge or talk to, really say
35:58
Speaker 4: hi to a kid.
35:59
Speaker 1: Step be friends every child in every public setting that
36:04
Speaker 1: she's wi Okay, that sounds creepy. That sounds creepy.
36:11
Speaker 4: If there's a child in front of me in the
36:13
Speaker 4: line who turns back and is looking at me, I
36:17
Speaker 4: will interact with said child. Same thing at a restaurant.
36:19
Speaker 4: If a child is sitting across from me keeps looking
36:22
Speaker 4: at me, I will interact with the child. I do
36:24
Speaker 4: not seek out children to make them friends. That is
36:28
Speaker 4: some freaking gingerbread witch stuff that you.
36:35
Speaker 2: See.
36:35
Speaker 3: I do the complete opposite. If I sense a kid
36:38
Speaker 3: is looking at me, I'm just gonna look the complete opposite.
36:41
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna just you know, completely like okay,
36:44
Speaker 3: change direction and be like, okay, I'm looking somewhere else.
36:47
Speaker 4: I'm not.
36:49
Speaker 1: That's my method. If an adults looking at me, I'm like,
36:56
Speaker 1: don't see you. The kid's looking at me, don't see you.
37:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to run into someone you don't. Yeah.
37:06
Speaker 4: I don't hate because she lived with me, she had
37:10
Speaker 4: to look at me. I just am.
37:15
Speaker 1: Awkward around children. It's fine, It's all good that I
37:21
Speaker 1: can't talk to them like they're a thirty year old.
37:23
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do.
37:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
37:26
Speaker 3: I can't talk to puppies though, and dogs, and I
37:28
Speaker 3: don't have a problem.
37:29
Speaker 1: With Yes, I feel like they can understand me.
37:33
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's why we have pets.
37:39
Speaker 1: Now, exactly exactly. Anyway, back to animals, So next up,
37:49
Speaker 1: we've got dogs, so a little bit of are severely
37:54
Speaker 1: underrepresented and underrated in the wizarding community.
37:57
Speaker 5: I just want to throw that out there first.
38:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't really have a lot of pet dogs,
38:02
Speaker 1: but there are some, so some symbolism and meaning behind dogs.
38:09
Speaker 1: We've got loyalty, protection, guidance, death in the underworld, hell hounds, right, faithfulness, integrity,
38:19
Speaker 1: and friendship. So some that we see in the Wizarding
38:27
Speaker 1: World We've got Serious is animegas Form, which, if you
38:33
Speaker 1: don't know astronomy, Serious is named for the brightest star
38:38
Speaker 1: in the sky, which is also known as the Dog
38:41
Speaker 1: star because it's in the constellation Kidus major, the Greater
38:45
Speaker 1: Dog and the rising of Sirious in the sky marked
38:50
Speaker 1: the dog days of summer for the ancient Greeks. So
38:56
Speaker 1: that is kind of why Serious is the animegus Form as
39:00
Speaker 1: a dog, because the name and the forum kind of
39:03
Speaker 1: go together.
39:07
Speaker 4: I feel it also just fits Serious with his loyalty
39:10
Speaker 4: to James and all of that stuff. I just yeah,
39:14
Speaker 4: I feel like a dog really fits his personality in general. Yeah.
39:18
Speaker 1: Definitely, protection, yeah, friendship.
39:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, loyalty like he would have died before, you know,
39:30
Speaker 3: telling Voldemort where Lily and James were hiding, and like
39:35
Speaker 3: till the very end, and protecting Harry with all that
39:39
Speaker 3: he had and sacrificing himself.
39:42
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah.
39:48
Speaker 1: Another dog we've got is Fang, everybody's favorite boarhound. Yes,
39:56
Speaker 1: Fang is like that very typical dog companion man's best friend,
40:03
Speaker 1: just big teddy bear.
40:05
Speaker 2: He's so cute.
40:06
Speaker 1: I love him.
40:07
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well you might not like the size of fang.
40:12
Speaker 4: Everybody needs a fang personality in an animal in their life, yes,
40:19
Speaker 4: everyone needs a fang.
40:21
Speaker 2: Yes.
40:24
Speaker 1: And then we've got the other end of the spectrum
40:27
Speaker 1: here Fluffy, our three headed friend who's also really cute. Yeah.
40:36
Speaker 4: I mean he's so scary when he was sleeping. You
40:40
Speaker 4: can't tell me he wasn't adorable when he's asleep, yes.
40:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, when he's asleep yeah, mm hmm.
40:48
Speaker 1: So the whole Fluffy situation is also inspired by Greek mythology,
40:55
Speaker 1: which will make stuph very happy. So Fluffy is a
41:00
Speaker 1: reference to Cerberus from Greek mythology, who is usually said
41:05
Speaker 1: to have three heads, but the poet has Hesioid claimed
41:10
Speaker 1: that he had fifty heads. So yikes. I don't know
41:17
Speaker 1: how that's anatomically possible. Three seems more plausible to me.
41:21
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, there's the hydra feature Greek mythology. There's
41:26
Speaker 4: the hydra, which has many heads, and every time you
41:30
Speaker 4: chop off a head, more heads grow from the net.
41:33
Speaker 3: Oh, so.
41:36
Speaker 5: Fluffy, No, Fluffy's not I know.
41:39
Speaker 2: I think that guy from the film Hercules.
41:43
Speaker 3: Isn't that the There is a hydra in Hercules?
41:47
Speaker 1: Yes, mm hmm, yeah, yeah, So Cerberus was also a
41:52
Speaker 1: gatekeeper of the underworld. Fluffy is the gatekeeper of the
41:58
Speaker 1: draft door one. Cerberus was charmed by Orpheus with music
42:06
Speaker 1: hadestown anybody, Yeah, and obviously Fluffy was lulled to sleep
42:14
Speaker 1: with the harp and the flute.
42:18
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
42:22
Speaker 5: Makes sense.
42:22
Speaker 4: My favorite thing though, is I'm not sure if anybody's
42:26
Speaker 4: read Percy Jackson in The Olympians. Yes, and Annabeth Annabetha
42:33
Speaker 4: tames Cerberus with a big red squishy ball and that
42:39
Speaker 4: is how he is calmed, and they get past him
42:41
Speaker 4: in that series. It's just with a big red ball
42:44
Speaker 4: and then he fetches it and brings it back and
42:46
Speaker 4: looks really sad because Annabeth isn't playing with him anymore,
42:48
Speaker 4: and the ball popped.
42:52
Speaker 5: You can't tell I'm a.
42:53
Speaker 1: Dog person, all right. And then we've got deer, which
43:04
Speaker 1: there's a lot of deer in Harry Potter, so many deer.
43:10
Speaker 1: So the symbolism or meaning of deer. They are guardians
43:14
Speaker 1: of the forest. They represent grace, power, prosperity, peace, happiness.
43:20
Speaker 1: Specifically in Buddhism and the dough represents femininity. So how
43:28
Speaker 1: we see them or how they're used in the Wizarding World.
43:32
Speaker 1: We have James's animatus form James and Lily's patronis forms
43:37
Speaker 1: Harry's patronis Snape's patronis. So a lot's going on with deer. Yeah,
43:49
Speaker 1: why do we think deer are like the thing here?
43:56
Speaker 2: They're noble. They give you that sense.
44:01
Speaker 3: Of grandness of you know, something you would bow to somehow,
44:05
Speaker 3: but in respect, not as you know, like Baltimore time,
44:09
Speaker 3: you know, like bowing to Baltimore, but something that really
44:12
Speaker 3: kind of gives you this, Yeah, this like respects and
44:17
Speaker 3: just lots of greatness and power.
44:22
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I just feel like.
44:24
Speaker 3: It's such Yeah, it's it's it's such a nice symbolism
44:28
Speaker 3: throughout the series that the whole image imagery of the deer.
44:33
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I'm also curious, well, Snape's Petrona's
44:36
Speaker 3: basically was because of Lily, right, So, but it's so
44:43
Speaker 3: it's so interesting to see how these personalities that are
44:46
Speaker 3: so different, you know, they all had this thing in common.
44:50
Speaker 3: They all clashed into this you know, kind of like quality,
44:53
Speaker 3: whether in an animeagus form or Petrona's form, and so yeah,
44:58
Speaker 3: it's I'm very curious also so to think how these
45:02
Speaker 3: personalities that are so different have so much in common
45:06
Speaker 3: at the same time and are represented by this by
45:10
Speaker 3: this animal that has these properties.
45:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think, like like Harry's parents kind of
45:20
Speaker 1: to him represent peace and happiness, which are two of
45:25
Speaker 1: these things that Dear supposedly symbolize. So do you think
45:29
Speaker 1: maybe that's part of it, like what it symbolizes to
45:33
Speaker 1: Harry himself.
45:37
Speaker 2: M power.
45:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, but here's my fun question, and we have the reason.
45:44
Speaker 5: Why'm not saying that, Thomas. We have a whole episode
45:48
Speaker 5: just ties Harry.
45:50
Speaker 2: Over discuss more than Yeah.
45:54
Speaker 5: So that's why I'm like biting my tongue because I have.
45:58
Speaker 4: I'm big on the why Dear, But also, if so,
46:05
Speaker 4: I'm excited to hear your answer to this question. If
46:07
Speaker 4: Harry's parents were alive, would his patronas still be a deer?
46:13
Speaker 2: No?
46:16
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so, because what made him produce
46:22
Speaker 3: this patronis in the first place was remembering his parents
46:26
Speaker 3: with this dream or memory he had at this moment
46:29
Speaker 3: with them. So that's what actually, you know, projected a
46:34
Speaker 3: deer in the first place, So I imagine if his
46:37
Speaker 3: parents were alive, it would have been something completely different. Yeah,
46:42
Speaker 3: so yeah, I don't think it would have been a deer.
46:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same. I think that Harry's parents not being there
46:51
Speaker 1: anymore gives them a different meaning to him than if
46:55
Speaker 1: they were still alive, because if they were still alive,
46:58
Speaker 1: like any teenager, he probably take him for granted, and
47:03
Speaker 1: I don't think their presence would mean quite as much
47:08
Speaker 1: to him as it does because they are absent.
47:13
Speaker 2: Mh. Same with same.
47:17
Speaker 3: I mean, if probably Lily hadn't died, he wouldn't have
47:21
Speaker 3: had that patronis.
47:23
Speaker 4: Right.
47:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Snape, it's almost like you wonder if she
47:31
Speaker 1: hadn't died and life had gone on, would he eventually
47:35
Speaker 1: have more gotten over it. But he didn't really have
47:39
Speaker 1: the chance to get over it before he lost her
47:44
Speaker 1: in more than just the sense of she was with James,
47:48
Speaker 1: like it's permanent, she's gone, So that's got to like
47:52
Speaker 1: trigger something more than you know, if she had lived.
47:56
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Again, it's like I don't.
47:59
Speaker 2: Say it's gone, say definitely.
48:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he he would never get over it, just
48:08
Speaker 3: like you said, it was more than just losing Lily
48:11
Speaker 3: to another, you know, romantic partner. It was losing her and.
48:18
Speaker 1: Not hitting the chance and losing her, yeah, because it
48:22
Speaker 1: was his fault.
48:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not getting the chance to say how sorry
48:27
Speaker 3: he was or how you know, the way he treated
48:29
Speaker 3: her or the way he you know, kind of started
48:34
Speaker 3: ignoring her and and just wasn't there for her and
48:38
Speaker 3: any of So, not just.
48:40
Speaker 1: Like a romantic sense, but the fact that, like the
48:44
Speaker 1: possibility of even fixing that friendship is just gone.
48:50
Speaker 4: You just told me I hated that snakes patronis was
48:54
Speaker 4: a It bothers me to know, and it makes me
48:57
Speaker 4: genuinely angry. But like hearing it from that point of
49:02
Speaker 4: view where it's not even it's like he lost her
49:05
Speaker 4: as a whole, not even just romantically, but he couldn't
49:07
Speaker 4: resolve how he was treating her and all of that
49:10
Speaker 4: guilt and thinking of it more as like a guilt
49:13
Speaker 4: ridden thing than an obsession thing makes it seem less
49:18
Speaker 4: icky to me and something I can get behind a
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Speaker 4: little bit more. So I do like that spin on
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Speaker 4: it as opposed to the other ones that I've heard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I genuinely think that he just can't get over
49:33
Speaker 1: how he lost that friendship and how that all played
49:37
Speaker 1: out and what he did to her. Yeah, because obviously
49:42
Speaker 1: we see how he steps in to try to protect
49:46
Speaker 1: Harry because of those things. Right, It's not so much
49:53
Speaker 1: that Harry's the son of Lily who Snape loved. It's
49:56
Speaker 1: more Harry's the son of li the friend who he
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Speaker 1: betrayed and caused to die, So he feels responsible to
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Speaker 1: step in and make sure that her son is Okay.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't save her, so I might as well try
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Speaker 4: and save him, even though he looks like the man
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Speaker 4: I hate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: But like patronis is as a whole too, is a
50:25
Speaker 1: whole other thing when it comes to animals obviously. I mean,
50:31
Speaker 1: Stuff's got a whole podcast designated to this.
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Speaker 5: Different animals.
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Speaker 1: Why animals? Why are patronises in animal form?
50:46
Speaker 4: I do think it has a lot to do with
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Speaker 4: the different cultures who have things relating to spirit animals.
50:57
Speaker 4: And I know that's like a sensitive topic right now,
51:00
Speaker 4: and I don't want to get into it too too much,
51:02
Speaker 4: but like it's there are multiple I don't want to
51:06
Speaker 4: see religions, but there's multiple cultures, that's the word. I
51:08
Speaker 4: want cultures who have some form of spirit guides and
51:15
Speaker 4: things like that that tend to present themselves or are
51:19
Speaker 4: talked about as animals. So I wonder if when developing
51:23
Speaker 4: a series, rolling played off of that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just in general, like folklore in like
51:33
Speaker 1: every culture really deals a lot with animals, right, Like
51:36
Speaker 1: even like going back to Greek mythology, if you're thinking
51:39
Speaker 1: about some of those stories and gods that take different
51:43
Speaker 1: animal forms and like guide heroes in whatever way. Right,
51:48
Speaker 1: So it's like, I guess it's just one of those
51:51
Speaker 1: things that is pretty ingrained in a lot of our
51:54
Speaker 1: storytelling already using animals as some sort of of.
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Speaker 4: Guide, guides, protectors.
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Speaker 2: Also, fables involve animals.
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Speaker 3: I think they're so pure and they're not you know,
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Speaker 3: they act upon instinct, not you know, on the they're
52:18
Speaker 3: you know, they don't have a thing as conscious themselves.
52:21
Speaker 3: They're not like they they And I think it's because
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Speaker 3: of that that you can sort of empathize more with
52:32
Speaker 3: animals than with humans or other things.
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Speaker 2: I think they are.
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Speaker 3: The purest beings on the planet, and you know, they
52:41
Speaker 3: are subdued to us, and we've done so much harm
52:45
Speaker 3: to them, and it's it's just very sad to see
52:49
Speaker 3: how you know, the world is going, and they've been
52:52
Speaker 3: here forever too, like they've been here before us, and
52:56
Speaker 3: we should be showing them a lot of respect. So
52:58
Speaker 3: I also think this is a way of also sort
53:01
Speaker 3: of paying tribute to animals in some way and given
53:05
Speaker 3: them this importance.
53:09
Speaker 2: They should have.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it goes back to the purity
53:14
Speaker 3: of animals and their qualities are so you know, are
53:19
Speaker 3: so inherently carved in them that that's why there's so
53:26
Speaker 3: much different ramifications coming from animals themselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like what you said about that they act
53:35
Speaker 1: on instinct too, because I feel like that's really important
53:39
Speaker 1: for a patronis like it's instinct should be to just protect,
53:45
Speaker 1: not think about why or what right, So just acting
53:50
Speaker 1: on that instinct is super important.
53:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true.
54:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that kind of wraps up our main discussion here.
54:04
Speaker 1: There are so many more animals we could talk about,
54:06
Speaker 1: but I feel like we'd be here for a while.
54:08
Speaker 1: So maybe one podcast if you want to talk about
54:13
Speaker 1: animals a little bit more. There you go, Yeah, check
54:16
Speaker 1: out what expect out Tronam.
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Speaker 5: There you go, it's all animals, all time.
54:31
Speaker 1: I'm men A Revelleo Okay, so we haven't done this
54:39
Speaker 1: segment yet, but Hamanan Revellio is a variation of Revellio
54:44
Speaker 1: that reveals human presence. For this segment, I'll give three
54:49
Speaker 1: clues and the other hosts have to guess which Wizarding
54:54
Speaker 1: World character I'm talking about. So, Clue number one is
55:00
Speaker 1: known to smoke a pipe. Clue number two healed an
55:04
Speaker 1: injured headwig. Clue number three comes and goes from Hogwarts
55:10
Speaker 1: and Harry's fourth and fifth years.
55:14
Speaker 5: I think I got it.
55:16
Speaker 1: Steph's already got it. What do you think?
55:21
Speaker 5: I don't want to ruin it for.
55:22
Speaker 3: All I'm I want to say something, but I think
55:28
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get it wrong.
55:32
Speaker 2: Because who was that third clue is kind of like
55:37
Speaker 2: throwing me off a little bit. I want to just.
55:46
Speaker 3: Does does he come and go from Hogwarts? But is
55:49
Speaker 3: he like does he come in a magical form?
55:52
Speaker 4: Is he like.
55:56
Speaker 1: M now? And is it a key?
56:02
Speaker 4: Oh?
56:03
Speaker 2: Okay, step.
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Speaker 1: Grubby Plank, Yes you're right, Professor Grubley Plank.
56:15
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I got it.
56:24
Speaker 7: Still.
56:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I was trying to guess this, I probably wouldn't.
56:32
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it was the healing and
56:36
Speaker 5: injured hedgewag, and I don't know why. I have very
56:41
Speaker 5: very firmly that she smoked pipe.
56:44
Speaker 2: I know I had no recollection of that.
56:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that she was in like the teacher's
56:51
Speaker 1: lounge smoking the pipe. I remember correctly, good old grubby plank.
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Speaker 3: Joab thanks, I feel the second Magical Creatures teacher right.
57:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, so noise.
57:14
Speaker 4: So last week during our episode with Harry Potter's films
57:18
Speaker 4: body double Flick Miles, we asked listeners, is there behind
57:22
Speaker 4: the scenes aspect of Harry Potter films that.
57:24
Speaker 5: You would like to know more about? And we do
57:27
Speaker 5: have a couple comments in here.
57:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
57:33
Speaker 4: One of them is from Felicia who says she finds
57:37
Speaker 4: the process of location scouting to be super interesting, So they.
57:40
Speaker 5: Would like to know more about why specific.
57:42
Speaker 4: Locations are chosen and how they change the locations to
57:46
Speaker 4: better fit the vision of the films or the directors.
57:50
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it would be interesting.
57:56
Speaker 4: And then we have Carolyn who says that they would
57:59
Speaker 4: like to understand how set designers decide whether or not
58:03
Speaker 4: to build a set or go on location, and then
58:06
Speaker 4: within that vein when building the set, how do they
58:09
Speaker 4: decide what materials.
58:11
Speaker 5: They need to use their durability.
58:15
Speaker 4: Are they easy to be broken down after using and
58:18
Speaker 4: that process?
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Speaker 1: H I thinks I think.
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Speaker 3: I remember reading something on one of the books that
58:26
Speaker 3: these Companion books that they did. Whereas you know, they
58:30
Speaker 3: did shoot a lot on location for the first two films,
58:33
Speaker 3: like we see we see them in you know, Glocester Cathedral,
58:37
Speaker 3: we see them in Durham Cathedral, we see them in
58:41
Speaker 3: a lot of different colleges in Oxford or scattered across
58:46
Speaker 3: the UK. But if I remember correctly, they said that
58:50
Speaker 3: it was cheaper to actually build a sets than having
58:54
Speaker 3: to go on location and it wasn't as time consuming.
58:58
Speaker 3: So I liked to know more about it. But there's
59:02
Speaker 3: definitely this like drastic change between the first two films
59:05
Speaker 3: that were also because they didn't have much to work
59:09
Speaker 3: with and they only had the Great Hall, the Gryffindor
59:13
Speaker 3: Common Room.
59:14
Speaker 2: They had a couple of halls and corridors, but that
59:17
Speaker 2: was it.
59:18
Speaker 3: You know, when we get to movie six, it's all
59:22
Speaker 3: just leaves and studios, it's all sets. We don't get
59:25
Speaker 3: any more. Well, we do actually go back to one
59:27
Speaker 3: of the cathedrals, but it's mostly just sets and even
59:32
Speaker 3: recreated sets from the actual cathedrals. They weren't doing as
59:36
Speaker 3: much on location filming either, so yeah, it's very interesting
59:40
Speaker 3: to dive into that.
59:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we have one from Jerry who says,
59:52
Speaker 4: as a fan of all the Magical Beasts, both before, during,
59:55
Speaker 4: and after the Fantastic Beasts movies, what they're most curious
59:59
Speaker 4: about is the details related to those they liked what
1:00:03
Speaker 4: Flick had to say about the research and went into
1:00:06
Speaker 4: background for things like the hippograss and mandrakes. Somewhere perhaps
1:00:10
Speaker 4: on Speak Beastie, I heard one of the puppeteers talk
1:00:13
Speaker 4: about how they gave the actor something to react with,
1:00:18
Speaker 4: more of the wars of those sorts of things that
1:00:20
Speaker 4: demonstrate how they made the many Magical Beast creatures come
1:00:24
Speaker 4: to life and have different personalities, including Alice like Hedwick.
1:00:30
Speaker 1: So the episode Jerry's referring to as episode one fifty
1:00:34
Speaker 1: five of Speak Beastie, we spoke with Robin Geiver, who
1:00:39
Speaker 1: is a puppeteer on the first two Fantastic Beast films,
1:00:43
Speaker 1: and he's worked on a lot of stuff. I see.
1:00:46
Speaker 1: He recently worked on the live action Little Mermaid as well,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: So yeah, very fascinating. His Instagram, which I don't know
1:00:56
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but if you go
1:00:58
Speaker 1: to that episode one fifty five, I believe we link it.
1:01:02
Speaker 1: His instagram is kind of fun. He like posts a
1:01:04
Speaker 1: lot of behind the scenes stuff, so check it out.
1:01:08
Speaker 2: Cool.
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Speaker 5: Definitely check that out. I think it should be a
1:01:12
Speaker 5: good answer for your questions.
1:01:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, they used a lot of tennis balls right like
1:01:17
Speaker 3: up on its stick, and they would just try to
1:01:20
Speaker 3: interact with that.
1:01:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Something he told us to was like
1:01:26
Speaker 1: the Niffler was basically like a sack of flower that
1:01:31
Speaker 1: they were, no kidding pulling around the set. They had
1:01:37
Speaker 1: like laser pointers and stuff that they were like pointing
1:01:41
Speaker 1: like where the zawu was gonna be, so like the
1:01:44
Speaker 1: actors would look trying to think what else. Yeah, it
1:01:52
Speaker 1: was just some really interesting stuff. That was a fascinating conversation.
1:01:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder how the actors keep it together, right,
1:02:01
Speaker 3: having to react to a sack of flower moving around.
1:02:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting to me.
1:02:07
Speaker 4: My favorite it's not even like it's like a toy
1:02:12
Speaker 4: or something.
1:02:12
Speaker 5: It's just like a flower.
1:02:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean once it's so hard to just you know,
1:02:17
Speaker 3: pull up a plushy of the Niffler or something.
1:02:23
Speaker 1: Wasn't in the budget.
1:02:29
Speaker 3: So moving on to our discussion question, we would like
1:02:33
Speaker 3: to know what animal symbolism did you notice in the
1:02:36
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 4: This is so much fun.
1:03:27
Speaker 3: Thank you for your insights on Greek mythology and civilism
1:03:30
Speaker 3: and yeah it's we've you know, had some really interesting
1:03:34
Speaker 3: points brought up as you as always, like everything seems
1:03:39
Speaker 3: to be intrinsically connected, you know, it's not. Nothing is
1:03:43
Speaker 3: by chance, Like the names and everything, everything is just
1:03:48
Speaker 3: so planned out, and I just love hearing these little
1:03:53
Speaker 3: details that you know, you would never thought that the
1:03:56
Speaker 3: author would be. So, you know, yeah, like it's it's
1:04:02
Speaker 3: still amaze. It's me the level of detail that goes
1:04:06
Speaker 3: behind creating this world, this story.
1:04:10
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's nuts. So Steph, if people want
1:04:15
Speaker 1: to check out Expecto Podtronum, where can they find the
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Speaker 1: any thing you.
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Speaker 4: Want to plug So for Expecto Podtronum, you can find
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1:04:44
Speaker 4: animal based topics that you want to hear more about,
1:04:47
Speaker 4: you can always send us an email at Expectopodtronum at
1:04:51
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1:04:55
Speaker 4: animals all the time. We are in the middle of
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Speaker 4: our first and being released, so make sure you check
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Speaker 4: us out there. I also have my own website where
1:05:09
Speaker 4: I have some of.
1:05:10
Speaker 1: My writing stuff, a blog about that writing.
1:05:14
Speaker 4: Process, some fun stuff, and that is by Stephanie Joyce
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Speaker 4: dot com and that also links to all of my
1:05:21
Speaker 4: individual socials, so I'm not going to take up more
1:05:24
Speaker 4: of your valuable time by plucking those at this moment.
1:05:26
Speaker 5: You can just go to the website and find them
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Speaker 5: all there.
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Speaker 1: Okay, nice, all right, So that's a wrap on this episode.
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Speaker 1: I'm Amy, I'm Tom, and I'm Stephanie. Mischief Managed