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Comet 3I/ATLAS- Alien Mothership or Giant Space Rock? with Dave from Multiverse Part 2 · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: Something's going to happen, what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Help shape itself.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the long thing that's not really supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be a dot com of a thing, right.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, The cigar shape thing isn't that common either. But again,
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about interstellar objects here, and we've only found
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  Speaker 4: three of them, so it's hard to say what's rare
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  Speaker 4: and what's not. And we're talking when we all know
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  Speaker 4: I have a sample size of three, but they are
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  Speaker 4: comparing them to comments, uh, which we know of three
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  Speaker 4: thousand or so, So just throwing that out there. So
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  Speaker 4: that's the rotational variability. Yeah, Saturn's a big one. Thank
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  Speaker 4: you for saying that, mind of Elijah. Saturn affects every
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  Speaker 4: it's so massive, it affects everything in the Solar System,
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  Speaker 4: and quite a significant way.
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  Speaker 2: So does Jupiter.
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  Speaker 4: So key similarities among these things. Each object exhibits characteristic
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  Speaker 4: consistent with bodies ejected from other stars systems, making them
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  Speaker 4: true interstellar visitors. Their detection is extremely rare. It's extremely rare,
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  Speaker 4: and that we've only had the technology to find this
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  Speaker 4: shit in the last like, you know, seven years. We
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  Speaker 4: just had a whole conversation about possibly seeing them for
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  Speaker 4: thousands of years in human history.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: They all have hyperbolic orbits, meaning they're not going to
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  Speaker 4: be bound by the Sun. They have an eccentricity greater
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  Speaker 4: than one, so they're just going to come in and
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  Speaker 4: keep going, unless they're an alien spacecraft and they're going
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  Speaker 4: to hang out for a bit, and we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: They all show evidence.
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  Speaker 4: Of common Terrier asteroid likenure. Their hyperbolic trajectories in high
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  Speaker 4: speeds are key factors used to confirm their interstellar origin.
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  Speaker 4: Key differences, And this is what somebody just asked me about.
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  Speaker 4: A Muhama is the smallest by far with a cigarlet
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  Speaker 4: shape size. Borisov and Atlas are active comments with visible
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  Speaker 4: coma and tails. A Muhama showed no coma, resembling an
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  Speaker 4: asteroid or possibly a comet with hidden ice. So the
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  Speaker 4: weird thing is is if it was as fast as
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  Speaker 4: it was going, it should have had a tail, and
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  Speaker 4: it did not. But it was also discovered forty days
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  Speaker 4: after Perry Heelyon. We had very little time to take
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  Speaker 4: a look at it, so we had a brief observation window,
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  Speaker 4: but it lacked detectable outgassing, which is the main data
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  Speaker 4: point in which Avulob wrote a paper on, including his
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  Speaker 4: book that Tyrone was talking about earlier.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, those are those some key differences. This is
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  Speaker 2: this is fun.
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  Speaker 4: This is just some clickbait article type ship that I
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  Speaker 4: came across. I didn't I didn't put the actual links
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  Speaker 4: in here, but the hinduced in times, which is a
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  Speaker 4: fun one for me. Uh, there's my wife, how's it going?
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  Speaker 4: Claims three iye at list could be an alien spy
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  Speaker 4: probe deploying gadgets near planets like Mars and Venus. Could
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  Speaker 4: be is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, guys.
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  Speaker 4: The Daily Mail says highlights Avulook's claim about three iye
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  Speaker 4: atlases size and speed as evidence for alien spacecraft. That's
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  Speaker 4: not to clickbaity, but it is in a way, and
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  Speaker 4: we'll get to that. Live Science, famous for their clickbaity titles,
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  Speaker 4: suggesting the three eye at lists might be alien technology
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  Speaker 4: due to its unusual trajectory and speed might be doing
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  Speaker 4: a lot of heavy lifting. Newsweek and Men's Journal and others.
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  Speaker 4: Newsweek focuses on lobes claims of alien origin and potential threats,
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  Speaker 4: using bold headlines aliens surveillance device, We've got Men's journal,
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  Speaker 4: uh saying so uh wild stuff, wild stuff, and and
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  Speaker 4: my Google is like my Google feet is full of
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  Speaker 4: this ship because I'm the mark.
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  Speaker 2: Just FYI, my my X is full of this ship.
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  Speaker 4: So I've been teasing through the clickbait and the non
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  Speaker 4: clickbait like for two weeks now, just fo I, But
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  Speaker 4: have you guys seen any stuff like that on this
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  Speaker 4: in the chat or anywhere else? Like just wild speculation
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  Speaker 4: on this on this little tiny dot that we.
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  Speaker 2: Saw earlier, but we have very little data on and
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  Speaker 2: even see anything. Goofy.
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  Speaker 6: I wish I would have seen the aliens and surveillance device.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you need to just just type in three I
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  Speaker 4: at lias on X and then your your your feet
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  Speaker 4: will get over with it, overloaded with it. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to sit here too long. But these are they're
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  Speaker 4: more scientifically based, but they're also the ESA European Space
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  Speaker 4: Agency National Geographic I mean.
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  Speaker 2: These are mainstream as you can get.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, we're balancing between clickbaity, speculation and like psiopy.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what to call it, you know, just
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  Speaker 4: straight up psyops, right, because like I don't really believe
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  Speaker 4: a whole lot NASA.
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  Speaker 2: Says or the European Space Agency. But these articles you're.
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  Speaker 4: Going to find at least based and grounded in some
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  Speaker 4: quote unquote science and astronomy speculation of artificial origins for
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  Speaker 4: each one. Ovulobe and a mumua suggested soul radiation pressure
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  Speaker 4: acting as a thin light sale as a possible explanation.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking about a thin.
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  Speaker 4: Sail essentially like a windsail, but for light from the
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  Speaker 4: sun that uses it as trajectory. Okay, And this is
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  Speaker 4: a concept that you've we've seen in some science fiction
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  Speaker 4: movies and books and stuff like that. And one of
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  Speaker 4: the main drivers of him, like I mentioned, is a
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  Speaker 4: black black commentary outcasting. I'll get to a paper in
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  Speaker 4: a little bit that refutes that and explains why it
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  Speaker 4: didn't have commentary outcasting. The weird things about at LIS
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  Speaker 4: is it's the fucking thing is huge, all right, seven
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  Speaker 4: miles long, it might be. I think it's getting bigger
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  Speaker 4: as we speak, not literally but figuratively, because people are
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  Speaker 4: point telescopes at bringing back new new data. Somebody mentioned
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  Speaker 4: this about the the orbital plane. It has a close
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  Speaker 4: orbital alignment with the inner planets, and the timing near
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  Speaker 4: the solar eclipse led to the hypothesis of intentional maneuvering. So,
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  Speaker 4: like I mentioned earlier, and like I forget who mentioned it,
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  Speaker 4: it's basically going to drive straight through atlases through the
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  Speaker 4: solar system. It's going to stop right behind the Sun
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  Speaker 4: and essentially get solar eclipsed by.
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  Speaker 2: The Sun for a period of time.
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  Speaker 4: And so that's led to the speculation that this thing
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  Speaker 4: might be intelligent. Hang out back there, hide from us,
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  Speaker 4: do a little survey, and then bounce.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and I think that's super super interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about you, guys, but that'd be pretty
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  Speaker 4: badass if that was real. I want to be clear,
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  Speaker 4: most scientists reject artificial origin claims through the absence of
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  Speaker 4: conclusive evidence. Again, because I'm an ancient history guy, I
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  Speaker 4: want to go back to ancient history and say that
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  Speaker 4: most scientists, for most Egyptologists.
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  Speaker 2: And archaeologists reject a lost.
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  Speaker 4: Ancient civilization and think that human civilization was only six
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  Speaker 4: thousand years old or eight thousand years old or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and that the dynastic Egyptians built the pyramids. I don't
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  Speaker 4: believe any of that, but you know, you got to
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  Speaker 4: take what you get.
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  Speaker 2: From the from the from the institutions with a grain
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  Speaker 2: of salt in my opinion, and you got to take
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  Speaker 2: what you get from the speculators with a grain of
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  Speaker 2: salt as well. Okay, let's move on to the next slide.
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  Speaker 4: Just a little quick bit on the scientific consensus. A muamus,
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  Speaker 4: like they say, is likely a natural asteroid or comet,
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  Speaker 4: likely possibly You've seen all kinds of words like that, right,
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  Speaker 4: because again they saw this thing for a very limited
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  Speaker 4: period of time. They really don't know shit about it.
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  Speaker 4: That's why we had a crappy artistic rendering of it
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  Speaker 4: above right, limited data due to late discovery. Borisov is
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  Speaker 4: definitely and definitely was and is gone, but is a
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  Speaker 4: typical icy comet.
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  Speaker 2: It just came from another solar system. Three i AT.
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  Speaker 4: Lists exhibits exhibits a coma entail indicating active outgassing. It
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  Speaker 4: has a record setic hyperbolic orbit and high velocity that
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  Speaker 4: confirmed interstellar origin.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get to this in this like right now.
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  Speaker 2: So this is we mentioned eccentricity.
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  Speaker 4: Is when I went over the key terms eccentricity is
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  Speaker 4: uh uh.
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  Speaker 2: Zero is a perfect circle around the Sun.
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  Speaker 4: Anything over one is a is going to be an
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  Speaker 4: interstellar object. It's going to have too much velocity and
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  Speaker 4: too much uh, I don't know, it's just going to
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  Speaker 4: be too fast and too hard to be uh to
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  Speaker 4: be get bound by the Sun.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna have too much mass, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: So you're looking at a Muamua's trajectory, Borisov's trajectory, and Atlas.
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  Speaker 4: Notice the difference between Atlas. It comes right into the
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  Speaker 4: inner Solar System, passes Mars like in between in between
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  Speaker 4: Mars and Us and that's weird. Uh So, and it's
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  Speaker 4: it's basically straight and like I mentioned earlier, the fucking
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  Speaker 4: thing is going fast like one hundred and thirty miles
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  Speaker 4: an hour, thirty thousand miles an hour.
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  Speaker 5: Or something like that.
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  Speaker 4: So uh, here is a animation of Borisov and Amuamua's eccentricities,
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  Speaker 4: and that these is kind of cool.
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  Speaker 2: To watch that.
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  Speaker 4: Again, it's my personal belief that this happens a lot.
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  Speaker 4: The three rare ones quote unquote rare ones are just
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  Speaker 4: a result of the fact that we have better technology.
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  Speaker 2: Now, which I'll get to.
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  Speaker 4: Let's check out lists, and that's when I need my
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  Speaker 4: next link. Nick, please and points to the panel. Anyone
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  Speaker 4: on the panel or in the chat. Who can guess
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  Speaker 4: the music that's going along with the eccentricity of Atlas.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give one hint. We talked about it already.
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  Speaker 7: The theme song for Armageddon by by Errol Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Good, good guest. But let's let's let's wait till
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  Speaker 2: we hear it. That's a good son, and I like
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  Speaker 2: that son.
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  Speaker 6: The next link that I have would be the actually
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  Speaker 6: the alien.
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  Speaker 2: Tech Alien Tech hmmm, and then I.
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  Speaker 6: Behold Ruben Observatory after.
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  Speaker 2: That, and then I have that so you might you
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  Speaker 2: might have missed it.
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  Speaker 4: Go back to the email I sent you and i'll
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  Speaker 4: pull it up to But I definitely sent it. It
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  Speaker 4: just didn't show up in the links in the bottom
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  Speaker 4: because it was a short I think is it a
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  Speaker 4: it was it should say three I at lists or
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  Speaker 4: something like that in there.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, there's just yeah, it's just that.
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  Speaker 2: It's uh yeah, link at the bottom didn't show up.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, No, I got it. It just wasn't in the
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  Speaker 6: right order.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just put that in order with the rest of them, so.
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  Speaker 6: That I'll pull it now.
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  Speaker 4: Perfect, Okay, that Aerosmith one would have been too obvious.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. That fucking song was everywhere.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it would have been cheesy too, so I'm
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  Speaker 7: happy about it not being.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 4: Listening, yeah, and this is three I at lists uh
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  Speaker 4: and its eccentricity.
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  Speaker 5: See if you can get the music.
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  Speaker 4: Going as well, shure you tune on. The music might
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  Speaker 4: be top left or something. This should be Yeah, there
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  Speaker 4: you go. Can you hear that? I can barely hear it.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, turn it up a little bit more.
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  Speaker 8: It sounds like waiting where music.
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  Speaker 2: It's a famous composition.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember who buy but it's from the movie
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  Speaker 4: Contact with Jody Foster.
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  Speaker 2: Did anyone else get it? Nope? All right, here's where
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  Speaker 2: I need you, Nick.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to try to pause this at this
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  Speaker 4: object's parahelion. Okay, so when it gets as close to
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  Speaker 4: the Sun as you can possibly get it, I want
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  Speaker 4: you to pause it right about now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So that's close enough.
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  Speaker 4: So I just wanted to illustrate that when it's at
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  Speaker 4: its perihelion, when it's as close to Earth as possible,
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  Speaker 4: we're going.
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  Speaker 2: To be on the exact opposite side of it. We're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be able to see it.
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  Speaker 4: And so you can see Earth there on the bottom right,
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  Speaker 4: the blue one.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I'll give Avulobe that that is interesting.
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  Speaker 9: It is also interesting that it kind of creates a
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  Speaker 9: sepharatic color combination with the yellow sun and the like
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  Speaker 9: green crown, very sepharatic, as well as.
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  Speaker 5: Not being able to see it.
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  Speaker 9: So tattoo is the south note of the dragon eclipses
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  Speaker 9: the sun. It's not a it's not a real body.
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  Speaker 9: It's a gross body. Or excuse me, it's a subtle body,
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  Speaker 9: not a gross body. So it's actually made of smoke,
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  Speaker 9: so it doesn't you can't see it, just like you said,
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  Speaker 9: it's like cult. It obscured, hidden, So that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Someone in the chat meant asked why would a intelligent
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  Speaker 3: not want to be detected and why would they hide
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  Speaker 3: in a asteroid? Avi Low mentioned I believe the dark
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  Speaker 3: forest theory. Could you break that down, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's two things.
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  Speaker 4: The first answer is it's the same reason we don't
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  Speaker 4: directly contact make contact with the North Sentinealese people on
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  Speaker 4: the hunter gatherer tribe near I believe Pakistan. It's also
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  Speaker 4: the prime directive in Star Trek. It's like the number
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  Speaker 4: one rule of interstellar space. Travel and uh visiting uh
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  Speaker 4: pre let's say pre uh uh space faring species.
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  Speaker 2: Is you don't want to interfere with you know, their development. Right.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's basically like they where we'd be an ant
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  Speaker 4: firm and they'd just be looking at us, the alien
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  Speaker 4: ant firm theory.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to fuck with us. They just want
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  Speaker 2: to look at us, right, they just want to study us.
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  Speaker 2: They just want to hide for a second, do a
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  Speaker 2: little survey and bounce.
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  Speaker 7: That's why it's in one of the first scenes of
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  Speaker 7: one of the newer Star Trek movies where they go
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  Speaker 7: in and they're like, oh, we broke our objective because
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  Speaker 7: they got chased out by the native aliens.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but they were worried. They were worried about.
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  Speaker 7: Like not saving their skin, but you know, messing with
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  Speaker 7: this objective anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we do that today with hunter gatherers.
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  Speaker 10: So on Another consideration too that I think I've little
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  Speaker 10: putting out or relative to this idea is the dark
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  Speaker 10: forest theory. And that may be why we don't see
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  Speaker 10: like they made this kind of mathematical calculation that we
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  Speaker 10: would see so many civilizations, yet we're not. And yeah,
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  Speaker 10: they pointed out that maybe these civilizations are not too
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  Speaker 10: quick to say.
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  Speaker 11: Hey, we're over here, not necessarily that they are under
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  Speaker 11: a threat, but they just don't. Is that what is
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  Speaker 11: in the dark Forests? So they kind of maintain stealth.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'll talk about that briefly, talking obviously talking
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  Speaker 4: about the Fermi paradox. And if there's so many stars
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  Speaker 4: out there and so many galaxies, how come we haven't
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  Speaker 4: seen anybody yet?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: And the dark forest theory is just to play on
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  Speaker 4: words for you know, it's why like contact with and say,
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  Speaker 4: a neighboring tribe, even though maybe they weren't that far
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  Speaker 4: away during hunter gatherer times, was.
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  Speaker 2: So scary, especially at night.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And the idea.
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  Speaker 4: Is is if you don't know, then in every civilization's
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  Speaker 4: primary goal is to survive and also expand.
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  Speaker 2: But resources are finite. One you don't want to share shit.
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  Speaker 4: Right, and two you don't want to come across a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of assholes, maybe us, right, who messed your shit up.
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  Speaker 4: So it's about it's about mutual suspicion. And that's the
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  Speaker 4: whole idea behind the Dark for series. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 4: you brought that up. Yeah, I mean, that's that's why
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  Speaker 4: they would pause back there to whoever answered in the chat.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, Dave, what do you think about the Aracibo message?
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  Speaker 7: I think I heard you mentioned that before, you know,
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  Speaker 7: we're talking about Carl Sag And Carl Sagan of course
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  Speaker 7: wrote the script, the original script for contact, and I
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  Speaker 7: think it just got passed through a bunch of hands
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  Speaker 7: among people in Hollywood and it became what it ended
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  Speaker 7: up becoming.
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  Speaker 5: But he.
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  Speaker 7: Also sent out a real Aracibo message out of Puerto
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  Speaker 7: Rico in seventy four I think it was, or maybe
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  Speaker 7: it was Costa Rica, but they sent a message up
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  Speaker 7: in the space. They tried to make contact. Have you
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  Speaker 7: ever seen that. There's a little it was it's a
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  Speaker 7: it's a little message. You can pull it up online.
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  Speaker 7: It's called the Aricibo Message, and it's I don't remember
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  Speaker 7: how they did it, but they concluded like four or
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  Speaker 7: five different tidbits of information about humanity, like like DNA
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  Speaker 7: code and all that. And it gets just gets crazy
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  Speaker 7: because some people claim that they got a message back.
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  Speaker 7: Is that that somebody something responded. Now this is totally
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  Speaker 7: called a hoax by most of the governments, but it's
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  Speaker 7: it's very interesting. There's some there's a documentary about loosely,
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  Speaker 7: well know, mainly about crop circles, but then they touch
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  Speaker 7: on this and the the notion is that somebody or
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  Speaker 7: something responded to Sagan's message in a crop circle because
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  Speaker 7: it looks like the message sent out.
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: Before the show. I don't know if you were in
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  Speaker 8: the chat yet, but we were talking about Puerto Rico.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: We were talking.
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  Speaker 8: About that base and the was actually an X Files
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  Speaker 8: episode that we were chatting about before. I think you
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  Speaker 8: hopped on and talking about how they received a message
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  Speaker 8: back and they sent the federals out there to get
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  Speaker 8: Molder and Scully because they had found a witness.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there literally is an X Files episode. I'm just
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  Speaker 4: looking up the name of it because I can't remember.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I've seen every episode of X Files like a million times,
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  Speaker 4: but it's season two, episode one, Little Green Men, And yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: there's a little af But to go along with what
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: you were saying was, yeah, Carl Sagan did design an
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Aerocibo message in nineteen seventy four.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Aricibo is the.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Was was a radio telescope in Puerto Rico.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: It's no longer in service.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: It it basically he wrote it over time based because
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: they didn't maintain it very well. But it's also the
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: one that Jodie Foster was using in contact. But he
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: sent the message is a one thousand something binary bit
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: message towards the Globular cluster and thirteen I believe twenty
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: five thousand light years away, and it was basically to
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: demonstrate human technology, so as you mentioned, you know, showing
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: that we know math, showing our DNA code, that kind
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: of thing. And then I think you also messaged what
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: mentioned what's called the Wow signal. The Wow signal I
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: think was in nineteen sixty seven or nineteen sixty eight,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: but it was discovered by an Ohio State astronomer who
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: essentially was using a radio telescope and it got a
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: strong radio admission lasting seventy two seconds or a minute
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: or something like that, and it was I'm going to brain,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I'm going to bro science this. But the Wow signal
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: had been interpreted as a message received back from the
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: actual Arasibo message three years later. I think the reason
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: why I was called a hoax, though, is because the
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Aero Debo message wasn't supposed to reach there in three
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: years or and we weren't.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Supposed to get a message back that quickly, so it
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have been three years.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was a hoax the Aerocbul message,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: but I don't think it was related the Wow message.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: But I don't think it was related to the Aerocbo message.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: But it wasn't It wasn't interesting coincidence.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: So yeah, so yeah, the mainstream thing here is that
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: this was meant more as a demonstration of human technological
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: achievement than an attempt to sort of conversate with possible ets. Right,
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: But but when you look at the message itself, it
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: has I was wrong. It's not five. It has seven
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: pieces of information that include in in code certain things,
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: one of which is.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: The estimated number.
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: Of DNA nucleotides in the human genome and a graphic
• 22:56
  Speaker 12: of the double helix structure of DNA and the dimension
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: of an average man. They put five to nine in
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: for that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: That was from the Aracibo message, Right, that's what we done.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: This is this is the one that sagan and that Yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: this is not the hoax. And uh they put a
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: graphic of the.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Solar system including Pluto.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: This is the whole stuff that that seems to suggest
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: that they wanted somebody to read it and know, oh yeah,
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: the general concept of who sent it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there was a crop circle that wasn't even
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: a circle that supposedly answered that exactly with the exact
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: same data points, just different size, shape, hominid, different gene structure,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: different linguistical abilities.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: That kind of thing. You can see that. It's easy
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to find online.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: It's in probably sixty episodes of Ancient Aliens. But it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: a really interesting one. It's one of the weirdest ones.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It's it's probably the weirdest crop circle out there.
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: And there are chill Bolton right like people want to
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: look it up.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: I would probably look up chill Bolton code or code formation,
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: but put in chill Bolton because that's the area.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Of the UK.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: I guess where the crop circle was, I don't know.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Put yeah, and it basically looks exactly like what they
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: sent in the air receible message.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, good call.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: I'm glad you knew about this, man, because I was
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: doing a horror I was doing a horrible job trying
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: to describe this.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: No, you're good man, this is this is this is
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: my ship.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: So this is just a quick representation of the eccentricities
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: of each of these guys.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And this is what makes Atlas so different. It is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: like coming in fast and hard and.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Straight, and uh yeah, it's just acting totally different than
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: the other two. And now here comes our boy, a Vlobe.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: I have mixed my about what this guy does.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And says, but.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: He published the book that Tyrone was talking about, extraterrestial
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the First Sign of Life, Intelligent Light beyond Earth, advocating
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: consideration keyword consideration of artificial origins of a muamua promos
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: proposed to Mumu's unusual acceleration could be due to solar
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: radiation pressure, suggesting.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: A possible light sale.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: We mentioned that before suggested three i at lists might
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: also exhibit signs of artificial technology based on anomalous orbit
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: and brightness. His claims are met with widespread skepticism and criticism.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: It highlights a bounce between open minded explanation and rigorous
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: evidence and scientific inquiry.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: And this is where I have a.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm torn, right because I love speculating about
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: this shit, but I also want to know the truth, right,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: And so what AVI does is back He wrote a
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: book as a bestseller. Right he was on Lex Friedman,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: he was on Joe Rogan, he was on all the
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: big podcasts, he's on the news. We're about to watch
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: him on news Nation here in a second. And you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: this is his this is his grift, for lack of
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: a better word. But look, this is our grift right now.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: We're technically grifting right now. And so I'm not mad.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not hating the player or the game or anything.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: But what I will say is that what he does
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: is he inspires people to think about this stuff in
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: a different way, because otherwise we just have a bunch
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: of dry, very technically mathematically dry thinkers, which is not
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: like the worst thing, right, We need those guys too,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: but people who are unwilling to step out of their
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: like step into their imagination a little bit and ask, hey,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: maybe this fucking thing's coming from another planet, right, maybe
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: this is coming from another solar system?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: I think it's important questions to be asking. In fact,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's important.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: We'd be looking at the skies for this kind of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: stuff all the time. And I think.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Three in the last like what couple I don't know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: since the telescope was invented three four hundred years is bad.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: That's not good, because I'm guarantee you there's more, right, So.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Does this lead to Joe Rogan then on the biggest podcast.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: In the world saying a bunch of nonsense? Yes?
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: But does it lead us to talking about it and
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: everyone talking about it, and people in their backyard pointing their.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Own telescope in the sky looking for shit like this? Yes?
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Does it get funding and stuff like that to go
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: to private telescopes and institutional telescopes to end up looking
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: for stuff like this?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, So.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm not mad, but it's just one of
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: those things, right. This is the next This is the
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: next link. We're just going to play like the first
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: minute of this. I think it's a five minute clip
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: from news Nation, but the man himself a you lobe talking.
• 28:05
  Speaker 13: Please as anomalies, it moves on a trajectory that is
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: very unusual. Is aligned with the orbit of the Earth
• 28:15
  Speaker 13: around the Sun, and it will get extremely close to
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: the inner planets like for example, Jupiter, Mars, or Venus.
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: It will arrive closest to the Sun when the Earth
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: is on the opposite side, so.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: We won't be able to look at it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: And that's the point where spacecraft could make a maneuver
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: to slow down, and it's coming from the direction of
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: the Milky Way Galaxy, the center of the Milky Way Galaxy,
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: where the sky is very crowded with stars. So that's
• 28:44
  Speaker 13: why it took a while to notice it. And altogether,
• 28:48
  Speaker 13: you know, the chance of this trajectory is less than
• 28:53
  Speaker 13: zero point two percent to be aligned with the orbit
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: of the Earth around the Sun, less than one part
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: in twenty one thousand to arrive so close to the
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: other planets, and one wonders could it be a design trajectory?
• 29:07
  Speaker 13: And I'm not saying that we know, but I'm saying
• 29:11
  Speaker 13: that we need to collect more data to figure out
• 29:14
  Speaker 13: the nature of this object. Okay, it tells out to
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: be a comet.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: It's thank you.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: So that's AVI talking about this thing possibly making it
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: a maneuver behind the Sun.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Which is wild speculation.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: There's an actual maneuver that the Starship Enterprise is done
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: like fifteen times in the series, in the history of
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: the show star Trek.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Which we're going to mention here in a little bit.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I think Superman even pulled this move a couple of times. Okay,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: we're going to get to that, but I did want
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: you to bring up pull somebody's comment up.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: It's from s Lee.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: If you could go up a little bit, it's like
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: above a above above that one.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like a two above from s Lee. Yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that one.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: The finding part may have ties to Epstein. Epstein was
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: heading science. So I don't want to go on a
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: big Epstein tangent here, but the funding. Yes, so Epstein,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein was very, very very interested in scientists, particularly
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: astrophysicists and astronomers. For some reason, he had a bunch
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: of them compromised.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: You know, there are a bunch of them are on
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the list. So just throwing that out there, you can
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: do with that whatever you want.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: Are there Epstein ties to Avi Low?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think ties to Abby No.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: Okay, what was the and I should know this, but
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: what was the main college that Epstein was operating out of.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know off the top of my head, to
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: be honest. You know, in the chat.
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: Nos he went into some university tried to get in
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: with the He actually funded a lot more than what
• 31:02
  Speaker 14: people know about online, but it was MIT was a
• 31:05
  Speaker 14: big one, Boston University.
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: He funded some of the AI labs as Stanford Bzol
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: kind of thing. And I think it's a lot to
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: do with something like that you brought up, Tim, And
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: it's not because I reject the Maha Brada sort of framework.
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: I just don't believe in it because I'm Buddhists, So
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: we reject all of that sort of Vedic literature and
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: its presentation as being material. We understand it as being
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: of consciousness. So it's not that I'm not saying it's
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: not true. Sure it could be true, but I think
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: of it as consciousness. So I just wanted to I
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: just wanted to say I wasn't disregarding it at all.
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: I'm just saying that there's a transformation that does take
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: place in the later text where it's terrestrializing those same forces,
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: bringing them into malcouth maxing. You could even call it
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: like bring it into the kingdom, bring it into the Earth.
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: So I think that that's an interesting kind of idea,
• 31:59
  Speaker 9: like the you know, we're all made of star matter.
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: Maybe that's what it's saying. Maybe that's what a way
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: to understand it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: So yeah, so this is a Muamua's an almost characteristics.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Don't worry about the right half of the slide.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: We've already covered that stuff.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: The thing I want to focus on is non gravitational acceleration.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: This thing observed deviation from expected Caplearian orbit. Caplearian orbit
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: is an orbit of a celestial body around a central
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: body that follows Kepler's laws of planetary motion, which described
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: the motion of objects under the influence of gravity. This
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: thing did not behave next to the Sun the way
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: we would have expected it to. There's an equation there
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: describing it. It accelerated for a period of time when
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: it wasn't supposed to, and it decelerated for a period
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: of time when it wasn't supposed to.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: So that's weird.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: And uh, I don't know what to say about that,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: but there are some scientists who have tried to explain that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So he wrote a paper about this.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I'm showing non gravitational acceleration unexplained by standard comet outgassing.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: So it didn't have any outgassing.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: So what he's saying is is how the hell did
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: it speed up after it passed the Sun if it
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: didn't have any commentary outgassing, no visible coma that kind
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: of thing, which is weird. And then the Hypotzen implications
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: that the implication a muamua could be could be an
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: alien space probe or alien debris, but natural causes were
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: also possible. I put a bunch of stars next to
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: this because the paper itself, even though it was taken
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: like in ran with on a bunch of different YouTube
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: channels and podcasts and AVI himself and news channels and stuff.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: The point of the paper was more of.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: A thought experiment highlighting the need for more observations and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: open inquiry into interstellar objects.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: And that's what I was saying earlier about what Auvi does.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: He's uh when he says stuff like this, it does
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: lead to open inquiry on interstellar objects. Okay, this is
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: an artist rendition of the light sale hypothesis. For this
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: to work, they're saying that that a muamu would have
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: to be like super thin, I mean, like less than
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: a millimeter. They're saying, I don't know, I'm not buying that,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: but it just it just sounds a little silly. But there,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: NASA does have schematics and stuff for.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Uh uh, solar sales.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: I even think James web Space Telescope uses a version
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: of a solar sale.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I could could be making that up, but I think
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: they might be. So it's not like unheard of. But
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: as far as interstellar travel goes, you need to be close.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: To his son in order to uh. Young stars are
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: very far apart.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: So I don't know I'm gonna finding it. I left
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: this AI generated picture.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: Hold one second, Hold one second. Can you go back
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: to the last one who actually wrote this? You know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: is this actually AVI lobes like?
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: This is a VI lobes like suggestion that it may
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: be a A well.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: I just need to know who wrote it. Was just
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: all right because I saw the word albedo's in there.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: I mean that is alchemical, So I mean, I just
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: you couldn't have used like a different way.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: There's that That word shows up in early in my
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: UH in my key scientific UH definitions as well. But
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't know anything about the al chemical nature of it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: You want me to go back, and I could be wrong,
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: but I thought that was one of the chemical stages.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: We'll we'll check it out at the end, but I
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: I I but yeah, Avolo definitely wrote this.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I can go all the way.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Just I'm just going to cruise all the way to
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: the key definition just to make sure. Albedo is that
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: the one you're talking about bottom lefty measures the reflectivity
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: of an object surface. Yeah, there's an now chemical nature
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: to that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: I'm almost positive mm hmm.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: So the use albedo to just to try to estimate
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: what the surface is, like, how reflective it is. It
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: also helps the reflect reflectiveness also helps them discover the
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: tumbling of an object. And I'll get to that on
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: a on a later slide.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Let's see.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I even I don't even know what happened.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: That's like, oh, well, so, so there's a guy named
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Darryl Seligman who opposes avlobe. He proposed it a mua
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: mua was projecting molecular hydrogen and it was an ice body,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: and that hydrogen wouldn't have a tail or a coma,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: so that it could be hydrogen. That's what made it accelerate.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: It's the hydrogen Iceberg model. I left this AI generated
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: image on there because I think it's funny and I
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: just didn't feel like making a new one.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: But it's the hydrogen Iceberg model.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: And so here's one one scientist saying it's a light
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: sale and one scientist saying it's it's not. It's hydrogen
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: and then like a bunch of people kind of in
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: the middle or taking most people taking the side of
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: we don't know, okay, because as far as I know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: this Darryl Seligman Guys hypothesis was disproved as well. So
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: it requires an extremely thin flat object inconsistent with observed tumbling.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: So we saw the tumbling earlier like a thin light
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: sale wouldn't do that. Natural explanations molecul molecuo hydrogen is
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: invisible in optical wavelength, so we wouldn't see it. That's
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: why we would explain no visible coma or dust. Here's
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: just some criticisms. Most astronomers favor natural causes, but most
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: astronomers and scientists are very conservative in their views. It's
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: like most archaeologists and egyptologists are counter arguments from proponents.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Non gravitational acceleration without visible to commentary activity is unusual
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: and merits open consideration of alternative explanations. So that's important
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: to keep in mind, open consideration of alternative explanations, because
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: that's really all he's saying. He's saying, hey, it might
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: be an alien ship, is his his clickbaity way of saying.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: It's open for consideration of alternative explanations. But it sparked
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: a lot of scientific impact, like I mentioned, incurring new
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: theoretical encouraging new theoretical and observational studies of interstellar visitors.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: We've improved the.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Detection technologies and surveys. Surveys have been motivated by the
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: need to capture future interstellar objects early, and we've done
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: that now twice.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: So thank you AVI. Just more overview of his paper.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: So this is the this is the star Trek slash
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: superman maneuver, the solar o birth maneuver, which he says
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: that the three i at lists maybe an alien probe
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: utilizing low I don't know what that symbolism, sorry maneuvers
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: for planetary intercepts, suggests a possible clandestine reverse solar O
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: birth maneuver during solar eclips at area helion. So this
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: is the part where it's behind the Sun and we
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: can't see it. And a solar overt maneuver is a
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: spacecraft propulsion technique that uses a rocket burn at perihelion
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: when it's closest to the Sun to maximize velocity change.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: The old birth effect leverages the high kinetic energy near
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: the sun where gravitational potential is lowest to amplify the
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: efficiency of the burn, enabling significant orbit changes with minimal fuel.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Star Trek Enterprise does this shit all the time. I
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: already said that. I'm pretty sure that Superman's done it
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: a couple of times too. So the always why I
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: say that is I'm not laughing at him. I'm just
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: saying that it's odd that he would speculate on this.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I was going to say it's odd that he would
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: speculate on this future possibility. Right, He's making all these
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: observations with them. This is like not happened yet.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: We're not going to know this till October. Yeah, October
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: twenty ninth, I believe.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: So, you know, do you think there'll be any like
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Heaven's Gate cults like the.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: They're probably already is they're probably already getting cracking. They
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: probably already existed and then this was their thing. I'm
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: not being facetious. I think likely this is the start
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: of some shit like that. Yeah, for sure, wouldn't you agree?
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: I saw people on the chat bringing it up and
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, that's interesting way to think about it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean people are going wild over this thing,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: and you know, from the scientific minded to the spiritual minded,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: everywhere in between.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: People are going wild about.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: This thing because it's weird, it's massive, it's coming in
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: really fast, it's going to high behind the sun.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: For a period of time.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: We've never seen shit like this before because we've never
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: had the technology to do so. So I would imagine
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: some people in groups are going to have you know, some.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know where else. I don't
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: have a word for it, but there's gonna be some
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: mental health reactions to this.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, and a go ahead.
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: Well also, you know, I think you're going to have
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: some of these agencies, maybe like NASA, who are going
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: to see an opportunity here. They're going to play off
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: of everyone's emotions, whether it's.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Fear or spiritual or what have you, or hope, who.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: Knows all the emotions. Places like NASA, they're known to
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: do this.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: They play on that.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And guess what.
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Funding funding, funding, yep, yep, yep. And we're gonna we're
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: gonna armor getting this thing.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: We need your money so.
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: We can blast this thing out of the sky before
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: it hits earth exactly.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm glad I see you.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: That's exactly where I was going.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: And I also I wouldn't rule out like deflecting all
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: of our attention from the Epstein files for this fucking thing.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I really seriously wouldn't.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of different reasons to start paying a
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: lot of attention to this thing.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Funding deflection, you know. Uh, think about think about all.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: The clicks uh people are getting, influencers on TikTok or
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: influencers on x are getting for making shit about this, right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, think about, like, there's so.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Many reasons why even just Live Science, which is famous
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: for its clickbaity titles, probably got a gagillion clicks that
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: got one from us tonight, right, And and the the government,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: uh you know, never waste a good disaster, right, so
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: they could play this up real good and get lots
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: of funding. They could even I mean, I don't even
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: want to go on a COVID binge here, but the
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: scared the fuck of everyone during COVID and got everyone
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: to behave Very strangely, they could do the same thing
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: with this and give us to behave in ways that
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: we don't normally behave.
• 44:11
  Speaker 15: Suso prizes. They're doing this little by slowly. You know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 15: I'm saying everything starts off small. You know, they've already
• 44:17
  Speaker 15: got people going worried about food and prices like that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 15: All you got to do is throw this in the
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: mix and then boom, somebody's buying them a new yacht
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: tomorrow the next day exactly.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: And you know what you can if they slide Ovlob
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: got cool ten million dollars, he won't go on TV
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: and say whatever the fuck they want.
• 44:36
  Speaker 15: You know, bro, put anybody, Put anybody in the situation
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: where they need something to take care of their family.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: They're going nine times out of ten do whatever they
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: need to do.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Plus there's non disclosure agreements. N dam give them ten
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: million bucks. Ken go on TV stare the ship out
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: of everyone.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just seeing this is a problem.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Oh god, I'm sorry for I just want to say
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: this really quickly.
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: Is maybe it's I agree that monetary very incentives can
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: definitely direct a lot of these people.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Sure at the lower and moderate level.
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: Sure, I think at one level, if we were to
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: bring up the Typhony and Oto again, one of the
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: greatest works someone in that order can do is create
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: a mythology that people believe in and that is attributed
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: to you saying it's produced a lot of writers if
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: you understand like the people that have been connected to it, right,
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: like a lot of people who are discussing not just Lovecraft,
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: but other sort of neo mythologies.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: And so do religions and myths start like that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: Bro exactly, And so that's if that's a great work.
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: If you're a magician and you're saying that this is
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: a cutological goal perhaps to create like a mythology that
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: captures the public, makes them reactive angular right, all about
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: informal geometries, how the has rotate around things.
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: Yep, Constantine, you remember he's he's seen the cross in
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: the sky and what he do change the Christianity is
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: going to change a lot of people's perspective and religious
• 46:09
  Speaker 15: and ideas and beliefs and a lot of things.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: So you hit that right on point.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Can you pull up the most recent chat from vant
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: fair acts.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely not just about money. It's about power too.
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: And I know that that's the most cliche thing to say,
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: but honestly, some of these guys in positions, any leadist positions,
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: they sure they like the money, but they're more concerned
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: with the power, and part of that power is having
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: a ideological edge over people.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that's what that's been the game,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: probably since at least at least World War two.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Post World War two. Pull up that one from Varaks again,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I just want to read them.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Isn't the only person to publicly say anything about this
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: lobe and he's getting ridiculed by his peers currently for
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: doing so. When's all the other stuff? When's all the
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: other stuff happening? Yeah, yes, the answer is yes. But
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: I would say, who's the only one on TV? Who's
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: the Who's what everyone's talking about?
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: No one's talking about those other guys, And that's the
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: whole point, right.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I would also just just as a quick correction, there
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: is like six other people on the a Muamua paper
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: and three or four other people on the most recent paper.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: That's just how scientific papers go. He's that lead head
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: of it, so he's he's the guy getting all the credit.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: But yeah, there the the news media is running with
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: this ship. And when the news media starts running with shit,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: that's when we should all I'm not trying to preach here,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: that's when I should That's when I feel like everyone
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: should start asking questions, like what's really going on here?
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And so thank you to that comment. E THERECS.
• 48:02
  Speaker 15: You know it's crazy that you say that, because you know,
• 48:05
  Speaker 15: people don't like to ask questions because they don't like
• 48:07
  Speaker 15: to look stupid or bad. But you know, to understand
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: what's going on, you have to ask these questions, and
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: you have to figure out the answers for yourself.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, not anybody.
• 48:18
  Speaker 15: You know, a lot of people are not going to
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: sit on your side, and a lot of people got
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: a lot of things to worry about. And when I
• 48:22
  Speaker 15: was mentioning about family, a lot of people don't want
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: to lose their tenure. So they definitely don't want to
• 48:26
  Speaker 15: say anything and lose their tenure something that they've been
• 48:28
  Speaker 15: working their whole entire life to get. Some people have
• 48:31
  Speaker 15: created business and friendships and you know, relationships with certain people,
• 48:36
  Speaker 15: and they know how these people feel about certain topics
• 48:38
  Speaker 15: and they don't want to get into it. It's almost
• 48:40
  Speaker 15: like you don't go to your family's house and talk
• 48:42
  Speaker 15: about politics because you know somebody's gonna flip the damn table.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: I don't talk to my family about none of this
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: shit or that exact reason.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: So we're getting close to the end of this.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: So I just want to point out last line of
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: falsifying or predictions here. If no such maneuvers or deviations
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: like Superman or uh Starship Enterprise occur by December fifth,
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: this thing is likely uh not extra extratrustrial intelligence or
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: e t I. So if they start ramping up the
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: end of the world, uh you know.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Armageddon, deep impact.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Uh Independence Day stuff before December fifth.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Well know why.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: But the dominant view, like vax said, is that three
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I at list is a natural interstellar common but critics
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: argue extraordin Critics argue extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: is lacking in this current situation.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: We already covered this stuff. I don't know why that's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: So, but the.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Orbital anomalies and the ETI hypothesis, this is this is
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: somebody brought this up earlier. Unusual retrogade orbit closely at
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: line with Earth's ecliptic plane, statistically rare occurrence. It feels
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: that speculation right, It's got an unusual geometry. It's raising
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: questions about potential intentional navigation, which is what which would
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: be the star trek maneuver, which some speculator could enable
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: a reverse O birth maneuver.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: We already talked about that. So this is really cool.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: I want to end on this because it's kind of
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: like looking at the future of what's possible and when
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: it comes to looking for interstellar objects. I just found
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: out about this thing, like I don't know, a couple
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: of weeks ago, this before I started going crazy on this.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: I found out about this. But this is the vas
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: See Ruben Observatory. It's locating the Chilean andies. This thing
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: is the largest digital camera ever built.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: It's three point two gigapixels.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, it takes an entire picture of the southern sky
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: every three to four days. It saw three I at
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: lists five days before it was actually discovered. Then they
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: went back and looked at the data from from veris
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: See Rubin and they had to do a bunch of
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: like work to like get the images in the.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: To be able to see it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: But this is how they confirmed the existence of a coma.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: When they when they first saw the thing, they were saying,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: oh my god, it's got no tail, which is basically
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: saying it's maybe a spaceship like or it's.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: More like a mua mua.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: But this thing every single night is taking a picture
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: of the southern sky every three to four days. It's
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: it's crazy, and uh it's it's it's really exciting if
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: you ask me.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And uh it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Has significance for three atlas and other interest dollar objects
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: because now we can use this thing to look for
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: this stuff, right, and uh, it's how it's how they
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: estimated the size of it as well. And there's a
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: link should be titled behold Ruben's observatory.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: First images are amazing. Let's just check this out for
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: a few seconds.
• 52:23
  Speaker 16: All right, here we go say even in the the
• 52:30
  Speaker 16: high resolution that they actually have this shit in.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: And uh, it's wild.
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: Just waiting for the commercial, no worries.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I watched too much YouTube.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: I gotta pay for it, so don't get the commercials,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: you really, Yeah, I haven't watched a commercial in like
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: ten years. Shit, yeap, unless I'm watching UFC. Then I
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: watched the commercials. So you can go to their website
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Ruben see whatever observatory.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I'll show it here in a minute. This is actually
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not seeing a delay. I don't know. I don't
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: know about you guys. It's much. It's much cleaner when
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: you watch it yourself.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: But you can go to the website and see like
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: high resolution pictures. This is a small section of pictures
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: that they've taken, and uh, they're going to.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Be able to train this thing on interstellar objects.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: They're going to be able to specifically look for interstellar objects,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: but not just that. Uh it there like, for example,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: the initial pictures of of at lists were out of
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: focus because they had to change the alignment. They've got
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: to do a bunch of complex stuff to make sure
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: that this thing can look at interstellar objects appropriately. So,
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: but it captured forty nine images of three i atlets
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: starting June twenty first, which is before the official discovery.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: So I think that's pretty cool. It shows precise in
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: advanced imaging that shows precise orbit and physical property determinations,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: showcasing its vital role in interstellar objects science, which as
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I mentioned, is I mean, this is fucking wild, is
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: it not? And as I mentioned, is important, right, Like
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: we live in a did you see how much shit
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: is in the fucking Solar system? And then how much
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: stuff they could possibly be coming into the Solar System
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: on a regular basis that we don't see. It's not
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: fear monitoring in my opinion, to use resources to look
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: for commets and asteroids that could come close to Earth,
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: because even large ones like that one that at list
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: it's going to come so close to Mars that they
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: actually think it could affect some of Mars's moons and
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: slightly affect the orbit.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And rotation of Mars because the thing is huge, right, So.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: You can go ahead and turn that off. They're watching us,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: he said, put me back on there. So uh I am,
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I up, I'm not looking, So this is just some shit,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I was already saying. Reuben's rolling detecting interstellar objects. Regular
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: repeated imaging allows for tracking, tracking object.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Trajectories and changes over time. Crucial for dynamic interstellar visitors.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: High sensitivia the camera detects small damn object traveling at
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: high velocities.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: This is interesting. Machine learning and orbital computation.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: My telescope upstairs does not have machine learning, but it
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: does do orbital computation, and I bought it ten years ago.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: But the tools that they have nowadays but spend the
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: big money, they can refine trajectory estimates and from initial
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: detections to confirm interstellar status. They're just going to be
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: pulling in so much data every single night from this thing.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: It's going to be exciting.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: And then they always combine this, like when James webs
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Space Telescope, the new one up there is find something,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: then they put Hubble on it, and then they put
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: this Rubin on it, or vice versa. Rubin finds something,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: some guid in his backyard finds something, then they point
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: all the big ones at it. So it's it's a
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: giant tag team effort. And this is going on all
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: over the world every single night. Astronomers are, you know,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: working night shift. Basically nowadays they don't have to like
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: crunch numbers because the computer's doing it. But somebody's I guess,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: manma lighthouse. But it's exciting and so future impacts on
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: astronomy provides unprecedented scientific insights into cosmic evolution, dark matter,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: which is another thing altogether, planetary formation, and rare transient
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: events like supernova and gravitational lensing, which is cool.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I wanted to end on this.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Somebody was said something earlier that is reminiscent of this,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: but it says we do not live and operate in
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: a universe with discrete physical objects separated by dead space.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: The universe is one individual dynamic hole in which energy
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: matter is so deeply entangled it is impossible to consider
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: them as independent elements.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: So even though this thing.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Is coming from another even if it's not an alien,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: it's coming from another solar system, it's intimately on an
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: energetic level intertwined with our solar system now and will
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: be forever. The changes it it makes as it passes
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: through our solar system, we are going to be lasting forever.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Right, And uh, I think that's beautiful, and I.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Think that it says a lot of things about, you know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: just the nature of what the hell we're doing here.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Right there's you can prove scientifically that, you know, one
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: particle can affect another particle, regardless.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Of how far apart they are in space. It's proved.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: It's a proven scientific thing that you can do.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: So just because we're far away from something doesn't mean
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: that it doesn't affect us.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: And we're it's like we're, you know, on.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: A giant pool table in the stars, right and somebody
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: hit a.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Pool queue and smoked a muamua scent.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: It spinning, and then another one three, I atlass into
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: our into our son's orbit, and this ship is happening
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: all the time, really slowly and uh over billions and
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: billions of years and it's fucking awesome.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: So I just want to share it with you guys tonight.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: And that's thank you, dude, I got You're welcome.
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: That was a fucking pretty depth presentation.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: Then.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't fucking around all week. I was. I
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: was literally like going nuts on this all week.
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: So well, thank you. Uh did anybody want to ask
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: him anything, say anything about that? Well?
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: I love the way you ended it, Dave. Sorry, sorry, Tyron.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, brother god.
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: I just want to say someone in the chap brought
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: up John Crichton from the far Escape series. If you've
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: never seen that, Far escapes like a legendary sci fi
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: series that never really took off in the way that
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: the others did. But what made far Escape really good,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: and I promises as a point, but what made far
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 9: Escape really cool was that it satirized all the sci
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: fi series that came before it, and it was intentionally
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: camp it kind of and his even his tagline, the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: main character John Crichton aboard the Levish Leviathan ship. Excuse me,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 9: so his ship was actually a Leviathan, a living being.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: He would the show what I was opening. He would say,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: look up and gaze at the horrors I have seen,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: very typhony and Oto just saying. So I'm just saying
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  Speaker 9: that we can understand like objects coming forward at us
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  Speaker 9: as conceptual markers.
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  Speaker 5: As Nick was saying in the chat, it's it's magic.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 9: It's like they're talking about light moving through the Sephara,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: even like some of the videos. I was thinking that
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  Speaker 9: the whole time. I was like, Okay, that's like the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 9: path of the dragon. It's like moving upwards, this body
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: of light, this luciferic force is moving through our eyeballs.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: I don't know Nick knows all that stuff, and Lisa
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: that I don't know that.
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  Speaker 5: And but then to sorry, bring it all the way around.
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  Speaker 9: There's another sci fi series that I often cite, Battlestar
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  Speaker 9: Galactica Reimagined.
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  Speaker 2: I love that one.
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  Speaker 9: Everything that has happened before shall happen again. So whether
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  Speaker 9: we know about moving object in space, whether that's real,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: whether that's not real, whether that's just you know, cool story,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: it doesn't really matter, because all we can change is
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  Speaker 9: really like it's up to us start of bring it
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  Speaker 9: all back to Malkouth.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I say. So, thank you so much, Dave.
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate Beth. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 4: I want to say thanks to the chat as well.
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  Speaker 4: Your your chat is lit. I like your chat.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I know what it normally is. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 6: but for this show, yeah, you definitely had people going
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: that's what's so thank you. Yeah, there was a lot
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: of occult stuff. I mean, unfortunately a lot of times
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: when I was staying at the screen, I was kind
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: of like getting lost in occult ideas, especially like when
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: I was watching the planets and stuff. It's just like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: saw much stuff with like Cabalo or the music of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: the spheres. It was just popping into my head.
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  Speaker 2: That is not my world. I'd love to hear you
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  Speaker 2: need to come at my show and tell us all
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can definitely make that happen. Yeah, but I think,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: like what Jim was even saying, presentation, yeah, I didn't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: want to keep interrupting it with like stuff that you
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  Speaker 6: probably had no idea about. But there was a lot
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: of I think a cult occultism in there.
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  Speaker 2: I think there is in everything, probably film.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, because I mean paying attention to the skies, you know,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 15: always the outside, outside of ourselves. The element of being
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 15: outside ourselves is what plays a lot with the coat.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 15: The idea that you know there's something bigger than us
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 15: out there is always an idea that's going to run
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 15: through many people's heads.
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  Speaker 6: I was even thinking the way that they are using
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: those satellites. Now that you're explaining it, I almost feel
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  Speaker 6: like it's like kind of like making an orphan and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: without the rings, you just have all the eyes over
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: the place that then can start looking at the same
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: situation just from different areas.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to say something that I meant to well,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: I planned on saying at the end as to anyone watching,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: is that you can.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need a telescope.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: I just recommend seeing like planets in our solar system
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: through an actual telescope versus like pictures and shit that
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: you see online. The first time I trained my own
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: telescope onto Jupiter and saw three of its moons and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: shit was like quite literally a spiritual experience for me.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: And you don't need a telescope.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: You can usually there's like observatories and possibly in your area.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: There's also local groups that go bring their own telescopes
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: and they stay out late and they hang out and
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: most of them are open to, like, you know, you,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: showing up and asking questions and having to peak.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: They're usually pretty excited about it. You can find groups
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: like that on meetup.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: Dot com and I highly recommend it. And now's the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: time because you can buy like a totally badass telescope
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: for like a thousand bucks that has like machine learning
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: and like fucking h does all the celestial mechanics for
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: you and orbital geometry and stuff, and you just you
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: just push a couple of buttons and you a ligne
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: the thing to the to the time and the date
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: and your position on Earth and then you just fought
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: it bring.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Up a database of everything that's above the horizon at
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: that specific time, at the specific place.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: On the planet, and you just click whichever one you
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: want and your telescope goes. So you can go to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: like an astronomy group and see this three I at.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Lists for yourself.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Best time to be would be in September and October,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: and and after October would be November and December. Not
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: turn the pair Ofhelion. And as Brooke mentioned earlier, and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: I'm glad I remember to come back around to this,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: is that you want to go on a night when
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: there's a waxing or waning crescent, meaning the moon is
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: at its smallest new moon and there's you know, not
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of light pollution, and yeah, go check this
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: thing out.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Like telescopes aren't that hard to work nowadays?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: You don't need, like, you know, somebody doing math in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: a notepad next to you.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: While you're following an object around, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: So it's going to be fun times ahead, my friends,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Fun times ahead.
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  Speaker 6: You think you think they'll make a big deal out
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: of this thing more than it is now?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But like as we talked about, the
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  Speaker 2: government likes to do that.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: Highly influenceable people like to react to things like that.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: And so who's to say, man that if the Epstein
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: file pressure.
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  Speaker 4: Keeps going or they can't find a war to fight
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: and get the war machine going, who knows, man, Who knows?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: But we'll know by December fifth whether this thing is
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: uh is you know, gonna make a move or not
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: going to pull a Superman?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I guess Dave, Dave, they've called at first. If
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: this happens to become a thing, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm gonna stop sharing yeahever you want Spotify.
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  Speaker 4: Is your show on Spotify, Yes, sir, it is on Spotify,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: run spot runs YouTube, Spotify and Rumble Cool.
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  Speaker 7: Is it listed perchance under Humans of the Universe or
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: Humans of the on Spotify?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: It is, yes, correct.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: Okay, So Spotify, if you want to find your show,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: people need to put in Humans of the Multiverse.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: You've got it.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, awesome, yep.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: And we're on Rumble as well. We're on YouTube. We
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: do weekly interviews. We have interesting people. This is not
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: usually my I mean, I do a little space stuff
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: on my live streams, but I don't normally.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: This is just a hobby.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: But the show is mostly based on ancient history, lost
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: ancient technology, that kind of thing.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: I also just talked to interesting people.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: I dropped an interview this morning with x ray Girl,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: the producer from nerd Rotic and Geeks and Gamers, as
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: well as Forbidden Frontiers. We got another one dropping on
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: Monday with a dude who's found a place in the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: South he calls the skin Walker Ranch of the South.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: And it's a place where a bunch of highly anomalists.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Shit happens. And this guy who was a former military
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: intelligence officer and he goes about his his paranormal investigations.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: His name is Trey Hudson. He's got a book called
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: The Metal Project. But he goes about his stuff like
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: an absolute professional. And he's got his documentary coming out soon.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: And they call this thing the Skinwalker Rot Ranch of
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: the South. We're dropping that episode Monday morning at ten am.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: So we got on next Friday. We got the guy uh,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: Michael Donolan who had did the Atlantica premiere Tyrone and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: uh and uh and Nick from from Cosmic Summit, the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: Atlantis movie.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm actually talking about getting him on my show too.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 15: We are in conversation with that right now too.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: He's a super fascinating guy because not only was he is,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: he like this badass archaeologist.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: He's got like two black belts. He almost fought in
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: the UFC.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: He's a he was an animator for Disney for like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: six years or something like that, a digital animator for Disney.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: He's got a very interesting life. He was even on
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: the show Big Brother, but he wouldn't let me ask
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: him about that. But he's a very interesting guy. His
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: episode comes out next Friday. We do a live stream
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: every Thursdays. That's just more Lucy goosey where we kind
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: of just talk about whatever the fuck I want. But yeah,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Mike and Dave's Multiverse at Mike and Dave's Multiverse on YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: You find us on x, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all the
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  Speaker 4: tiple shit.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, awesome a nere Draulics. The thing I saw on
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: IG looks great. I was really excited for that personally.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: I want to thank you.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I was excited too. Extra girl
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: is hilarious.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: She was really fun to talk to. She's a renaissance woman.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: She wears many hats. I like talking to people like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: that who have just a free spirit and so that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: that was a really fun one for me.
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  Speaker 6: So thank you, well, thank you, David. I really appreciate
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: that was a lot of work, a lot. I know
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: you want to be done by eleven to two. Sorry
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: about that, It's all good.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: I was working on this anyway because I because I'm
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: a nerd. So when you asked me, I was like,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: fuck it, let's do it.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I thought this was great. Dude nice, I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: mean you pretty much. Is there anything else you wanted
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: to plug for yourself for your show? I mean you
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: pretty much.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: No, No, that's it, that's it. Just subscriptions on YouTube
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: are nice.
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  Speaker 5: I like that.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: There, go yeah, go subscribe. Uh all right, I'm gonna
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: let everybody else plug their stuff and then we can
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: we'll get out of here, all right, Brooke, you want
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: to let them know where they can find you a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: podcast so they can hear you talk more.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: Absolutely well, thank you for having me on tonight, Dave.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: That was incredible. I love the conversation. Fantastic presentation. You
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: can find me a dark Food a podcast on Instagram
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  Speaker 9: Brooke also has a great I g I just want
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  Speaker 9: to say that I always do like brooks ig, so
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• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: Everybody does, Tim does.
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  Speaker 9: so thank you, Thank you guys, and thank you Nick,
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  Speaker 9: and really great to meet you, Dave of thank you,
• 1:12:01
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks guys, thank you.
• 1:12:09
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  Speaker 1: You.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll shout out to Lisa, by the way, had
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: some great comments tonight.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, yeah, and thanks to all the other rejects.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Nick.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you very much. I appreciate you jumping on and
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: last but not least again Ethan Indigo, what is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Salute Dave.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: That was awesome, great, great inquiry into this happening, and
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  Speaker 3: everyone always epick to hear your insights into everything that's
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• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: about to you and Dave.
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  Speaker 6: That was awesome, Thank you very much, and I highly
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: suggest to go check out that show. That's why I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: look and thank you again Ethan and Dave. For real,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: that was that was really amazing. I mean that was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: a lot more than I even when you told me
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: how many slides you brought. Know it was going to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: be that much like information And I'm not complaining, like,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: thank you, that was the most work.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys, I appreciate it.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: I'm just glad I'm have a place to come here
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: and ramble about this ship so and people that people
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: are going to listen to me.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: So I appreciate you guys very much.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you. No, no, this one I actually might have
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: to like go back, I might actually re listen to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: because like, but the chat and the numbers, I couldn't
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: really I think there was so much a cult.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: It was just like that was clutch. I didn't want
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: to have to think about switching screens and ship.
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  Speaker 5: So thank you of.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: Course, of course, and thank everybody else who was on
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: the show. That's what's up. I really appreciate it. It
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: was another long one, but that's what happened to that.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: And thank everybody in the chat. There's a lot of
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: people there from the beginning to the end, and I
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: appreciate that. And again, thank you Lisa as well, dropping
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: all the gems in the I think she's in Canada
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: right now doing this.
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  Speaker 9: So and Joshua the brunch, I just want to shout
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: out Joshua, who's been a guest on this show a
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: couple of times as well as my show and also
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: co host and sorry Nick, Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: No, you're good, you're good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I have been there a lot as well. Uh,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: thank you all, and thank everybody who's always you know,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: putting stuff in the chat. That's where we go live
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: because we have an awesome chat.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: And until the next one, everybody be well later