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Occult Folk Guest Appearance: O.T.O. Initiation & Crossing the Abyss · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: Definitely appreciate you taking the time today. Man, I know
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  Speaker 1: you're extremely busy.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So for anybody that doesn't know you, would you
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  Speaker 1: like to give a shout out to the Occult Rejects
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  Speaker 1: and what it is you do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, the Occult Rejects. Originally when it started off,
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  Speaker 3: it was just like me and one of the person.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the show's gone through some drawing pains and
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  Speaker 3: changes since then. Now it's just like kind of like
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of different people and podcasts honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of together.
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  Speaker 3: But we we focused mainly on like a cult occult science,
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  Speaker 3: you know, history, true crime, paranormal, but like always kind
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  Speaker 3: of like within a cult lens. Some of us have
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  Speaker 3: experience and occultism. I myself was in the OTO for
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  Speaker 3: for about six years and then left. I had studied
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  Speaker 3: and practiced you know, magic and rituals for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's other people who might be into different things,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, practicing and some people aren't. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: big into history or we have like two people one
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  Speaker 3: one has a pH d and the other one's getting there.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean we actually have some like educated people
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  Speaker 2: on the show as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that are into their own things, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: they bring a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Occult science to the show as well, So it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Bunch of different people with their own different ways we're
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  Speaker 3: looking at occultism. I kind of joke around and say like,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you'll get this joke, But I said, like, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: when I do these topics with all these different people
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  Speaker 3: I have on there, and how they look at the
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  Speaker 3: associations of the topic, I says, it's kind of like
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  Speaker 3: an audio book of seven seven seven. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, How you have crolepoker has all these associations
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  Speaker 3: and how it's looked at that way in matches. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, it's kind of like an audio version
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  Speaker 3: of this topic right there.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how I try to say it as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you have a really cool show. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have like amazing guests and obviously the panel
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  Speaker 1: is usually like pretty damn stacked. So what organization did
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  Speaker 1: you wind up into?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: I did end up being a member of the Auto
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  Speaker 3: templey Orientice for a minute. Like I said, I did
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  Speaker 3: a few initiations shout out, I mean left.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: I think you've had on the show before too as well. Right,
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  Speaker 2: haven't you had like people on like the Lima on
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  Speaker 2: the show? Possibly?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: No, Okay, I don't know why. Maybe yes.
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  Speaker 1: So for anybody that doesn't know, would you like to
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  Speaker 1: lay out like who they are and kind of.
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  Speaker 4: What they do?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: I would assume probably the people listening to the show
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  Speaker 3: might know already, but uh they Alista Crowley basically took
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  Speaker 3: over A. It was a Freemasonic offshoot at one point
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  Speaker 3: by Theodore Russ and I always screw up the other
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  Speaker 3: people's names, and uh, you know, if you were a Freemason,
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  Speaker 3: you were able to kind of come over as well
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  Speaker 3: because it was attached to it in a sense, or
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  Speaker 3: it was created by Freemasons. And then eventually they came
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  Speaker 3: across Alista Crowley's work and they thought that he was
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  Speaker 3: I think it was the Blue Law that they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you're you're telling our secrets, you're telling our story or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: like they thought that, you know, he knew their stuff
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  Speaker 3: and he was putting it out blah blah blah. That's
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  Speaker 3: how the story goes. I even wonder about that whole situation,
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  Speaker 3: how authentic it is. And uh, they handed it over
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  Speaker 3: to him. He changed the initiations. He dropped them down drastically,
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  Speaker 3: because you know what the Masons is like fucking initiations
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  Speaker 3: for everything, tons of them. So he dropped it down
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  Speaker 3: to like thirteen and then you know, turned it over
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  Speaker 3: kind of like to his Book of the Law. It
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  Speaker 3: was kind of like, you know, it's the Bible for it.
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  Speaker 3: There's the Gnostic Mass that is done by the EGC,
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  Speaker 3: the Gnostic Catholic Church. You know that does you know
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  Speaker 3: they have the nastic mass that they do for that.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of like them showing like in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: the magician crossing the Abyss doing knowing his will blah
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  Speaker 3: blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like a place that you can go to.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, they'll have the nastic mass for sure, or uh
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  Speaker 3: sometimes classes you know, just it's you know, it's a
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  Speaker 3: secret society. They might have classes on candle magic. This
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  Speaker 3: is just experiences that I've had talismans. Uh, they can
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  Speaker 3: have history. You know the lodge that I was going
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  Speaker 3: to when I was there also it was like a
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  Speaker 3: bigger lodge. It was a little bit more involved, so
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  Speaker 3: like cansels or oasis.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what they're doing as much as
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  Speaker 2: a lodge would.
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  Speaker 3: But you know they'd be like history classes or other
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  Speaker 3: occultists from the past. They might you know, cover Plato
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  Speaker 3: or some shit, you know, or Geodano Bruno somebody might
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  Speaker 3: come about that, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or like you know, certain types of magic. Uh. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I did that for a minute. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I will say though, like when I joined it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't so much because Alice the Crowley himself. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I was interested in ceremonial magic for sure. I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the whole like Wicca or which just didn't appeal to me.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to do a little bit more of ceremonial stuff. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I kind of came across a lot
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  Speaker 3: of Golden Dorn and Crowley stuff just by stuff suggested to.
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  Speaker 2: Me by the people too.
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  Speaker 3: And when it came for me to like kind of
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  Speaker 3: like at one point I started noticing even books sometimes
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  Speaker 3: are contradicting themselves or like I think, like I had,
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  Speaker 3: I could be wrong, and I know if I am,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I'm almost positive positive that Donald Michael Craig,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's his name. He had like thirteen or
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  Speaker 3: twelve lessons in high magic or some shit like that
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  Speaker 3: was the name of the book bout it I had it,
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  Speaker 3: I think in his when he did like I could
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  Speaker 3: be libre rush or something like. It wasn't in the
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  Speaker 3: same order, if I remember correctly, as it was in
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  Speaker 3: actually Crowley's own shit. And I happened to notice that.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, like, so what's right? What's wrong?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm not even blah blah blah. So
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  Speaker 3: I was like, maybe I should just like join one
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  Speaker 3: of these places and like see what it's like and
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  Speaker 3: you know, get an idea of like you know whatever,
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  Speaker 3: like what their system is. And I was like, let
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  Speaker 3: me see what places are around near me. There were
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  Speaker 3: some people I knew that were already Masons, and they
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  Speaker 3: had told me, if you want to get into occultism
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  Speaker 3: and ritual magic and all that stuff, don't come here
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  Speaker 3: because it will take you way too long to even
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  Speaker 3: get to that if you ever do. They said, you're
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  Speaker 3: better off looking at like the Golden Door and the
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  Speaker 3: Oto Martinists, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Temple has said it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they're actually really not in well from as far
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  Speaker 3: as I know, not huge actually on rituals per se.
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  Speaker 3: We're not the ones that we would normally use. So
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  Speaker 3: I just briefly started looking for all the places near me,
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  Speaker 3: and the only option I had was the OTO about
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  Speaker 3: twenty five minutes away from me. I was living on
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  Speaker 3: Long Island, and they had one in Queen's still there,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, I was in a
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  Speaker 3: huge fan of Crowley. I actually would have preferred probably
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  Speaker 3: The Golden Dawn, but you know, I was definitely into
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  Speaker 3: I already had experience with the ritual, the Pentagram ritual
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  Speaker 3: and kind of like the Hexagram and rash, which was
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  Speaker 3: you know, from Crowley. But you know a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people they may not know, like the Pentagram and the
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  Speaker 3: Hexagram ritual, like that wasn't Aliston crowl He didn't write those.
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  Speaker 3: He just published those from the Golden Down. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of people tend to think he wrote those.
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  Speaker 2: So again, like I guess when I'm getting it.
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  Speaker 3: I was already kind of pre exposed to Golden doing
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  Speaker 3: stuff with like the flare of Summer Croley's and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, all right, fucking I'll just go to the OTO.
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  Speaker 3: I know, like it's kind of like a weird stigma
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  Speaker 3: and it's whatever sex magic and all that shit. So
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  Speaker 3: I was like oh, let me look up, you know,
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  Speaker 3: see if there's like a website. I think I can't
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  Speaker 3: remember it was a Facebook website or whatever. There was
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  Speaker 3: something with the lives that I was going to to
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  Speaker 3: who He Lodge. It's where I was able to find
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  Speaker 3: like a calendar, and I was like, all right, i'll
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  Speaker 3: see I'll go to a Gnostic mask because I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I.
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  Speaker 3: Knew already watched it or knew, but like somehow there
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  Speaker 3: was a Gnostic mass on YouTube. So I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I know I can watch that, or I've watched it already.
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  Speaker 3: I know what that entails if I go there, I
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  Speaker 3: already know what to expect.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll go for that first.
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  Speaker 3: And not thinking the one on YouTube isn't going to
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  Speaker 3: show nudity. Never never dawned on me that if there
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  Speaker 3: was nudity, it's not gonna be shown on YouTube. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, I eventually went, well, I hit them up,
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  Speaker 3: asked them if I could come, and then they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I told them I want to go to
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  Speaker 3: the Gnostic Masks on this date, and I think it
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  Speaker 3: was like two weeks away, and they're like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: just hit us up, like the day before the day
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  Speaker 3: of and let us know you're coming and we'll give
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  Speaker 3: you directions and all this and that. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, cool, So I emailed them back to day
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  Speaker 3: over the day before and they sent.
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  Speaker 2: Me directions and I went there. It was a little
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  Speaker 2: weird at first.
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  Speaker 3: I will even say, like the whole if anybody happens
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  Speaker 3: to listen to this that went to this place, they
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  Speaker 3: would understand how maybe I'm there was a little fucking weird.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Technically it's in like an apartment building in the basement,
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  Speaker 3: and it's in the kind of like a private building,
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  Speaker 3: so unless you have a key, you're not fucking getting in.
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  Speaker 3: So they're telling you, they giving you the directions and
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  Speaker 3: telling you there's a park across from the building. Just
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  Speaker 3: go hang out, go hang out by the like over there,
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  Speaker 3: and just there be a crowd of people there, and
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  Speaker 3: they were right when I got there.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, looks like you know
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  Speaker 2: what goth.
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  Speaker 1: Me hat or some shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yo, but I'm like thinking all sorts of weird shit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, Yo, it's already like sounded fucking sketchy. You're
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  Speaker 3: telling me to wait outside in front of a park,
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  Speaker 3: like what fucking Zady is?
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  Speaker 2: What are killing gonna show up next? Like you know?
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So like when I saw the other people there, I
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  Speaker 3: was like all right, I was like, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was obviously it's going on here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then like when I walked over there and I
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  Speaker 3: kind of noticed across the street, I even saw it
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  Speaker 3: was like already this building is behind a gate. Like
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  Speaker 3: we couldn't get anything I wanted. So they came out
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  Speaker 3: and got as we went in. It was a gnostic mask.
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  Speaker 3: Uh went all right until the well, I mean, and again,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I guess it depends on how people are.
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  Speaker 3: It just shocked the shit out of me because I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't expecting it, and like you know, I probably just
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: recently watched like Eyes Wide Shut, so like you know,
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  Speaker 3: I had to splash back to that and all of
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: a sudden, you know, just titties came out and I
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, all right, that that that's different
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  Speaker 3: than YouTube. I'm sitting there and I'm like, yo, this
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  Speaker 3: she can send me fucking weirter.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is and plastic mass?
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  Speaker 2: And then six years later I left M and lasting mess.
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  Speaker 2: Uh Crawley wrote it. I mean again they.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, it shows the magician having a magical experience.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think this shows I think it's multi layered.
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  Speaker 3: I think it could even show, like legit conception, I
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  Speaker 3: think it shows the traveling of light through the eyeball
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  Speaker 3: into the brain. Yeah, as crazy as that sounds, I
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  Speaker 3: actually do think Crowley did talk about a lot of
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  Speaker 3: science and a lot of eyeball shit his stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: people will never fucking see that because he's been deemed
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  Speaker 3: a pervert and he has written some crazy, fucked up shit.
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  Speaker 3: Now you just look at it, you'll never take it serious.
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  Speaker 3: That guy could fucking say anything encoded.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody to look at it.
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  Speaker 3: Unless people, you know, the people who aren't scared and
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  Speaker 3: just want to see what the fuck this guy was
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  Speaker 3: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: But no, that's that's why I I and you know
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  Speaker 2: other things.
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  Speaker 3: I think they don't see him crossing the abyss, possibly
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  Speaker 3: like they ence a death might be even being showed.
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  Speaker 2: I think in the Gnostic mess.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, I even think in their initiations, just from my experience,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're watching light travel through the eyeball.
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  Speaker 2: You're going through that hole, going through like a whole
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  Speaker 2: archetype of situation or journey. It's the journey of the
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  Speaker 2: light in your ribal.
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  Speaker 1: So they're kind of going through like a sort of
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  Speaker 1: like playing I guess or acting things out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be the best way to say. It's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like a big dramatic thing to express science
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  Speaker 3: and light in your ribel, the things that you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, your eyebel does change too, depending if your
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  Speaker 3: pupils dilated or not. Yeah, all sorts of weird things
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  Speaker 3: going in this. Yeah, like moving components wade, which is
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm trying to get it as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so is that type of ceremonial magic like mainly
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  Speaker 1: what they practice.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean they are I did give me, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I guess if I was a give somebody, probably the
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  Speaker 3: basic believe it or not techniques or like maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: the limic beginner magician.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you'd probably do a lot of meditating.
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  Speaker 3: That which doesn't sound exciting, but you would be doing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of meditating.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. Now again depending on how you are.
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  Speaker 3: I in I not that I I read a lot
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  Speaker 3: of his stuff. I mean I guess I probably should
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  Speaker 3: reread it now because I probably look at it a
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  Speaker 3: lot differently, because there's even been stuff I've gone over
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  Speaker 3: of his that I was like, all right, I think
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: I have an idea what he's saying now because I've
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: experiences that I've had. I wasn't huge huge and reading
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  Speaker 3: a lot of his stuff, but I really was big
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  Speaker 3: on like like reading other people's things and uh kind
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: of that were you know, even influenced by him anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But so like I guess at the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of meditation, believe it or not, breathing work
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  Speaker 3: stuff out of like liber oh was it liber o
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  Speaker 3: libert one of them has like the breathing, and like
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  Speaker 3: even like yoga poses or certain things again doesn't sound exciting,
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  Speaker 3: but a lot of that, and I probably for the
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: first things that I started doing would have been the
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: lesser banishing ritual of the Pentagram, which is basically just.
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, removing all.
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  Speaker 3: Energies that are kind of influencing you or might be
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  Speaker 3: controlling you in a sense, or that's the idea behind it,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, just kind of I guess keeping a
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  Speaker 3: clean oar or just trying to do like you know,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, be more review instead of being influenced. But
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: you're surrounding a lot of that would be stuff at first.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the rash, like I was mentioning before, that is
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  Speaker 3: a prayer that people will do. You look at four
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  Speaker 3: different parts of this, like four different times of the
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  Speaker 3: day morning, noon, later on, and you know, evening, and
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  Speaker 3: then at midnight you will pray to the sun, and
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  Speaker 3: there's like different people that you're talking about in the prayer.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like a a little bit different each time
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  Speaker 3: you do it. And then there's like this whole other
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  Speaker 3: piece that you can add in from another Crowley writing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest, I never added all that in.
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  Speaker 3: I just did the original rush beginning part. I was
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  Speaker 3: trying to be a little bit more myself than just
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: regurgitating somebody else's work. There's a lot of that, which
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  Speaker 3: I do think is unfortunate. That was one of the
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  Speaker 3: things that kind of wasn't I was just like it.
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  Speaker 3: I guess it bothered me about the oto. Just a
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  Speaker 3: lot of regurgitation or Crawley stuff, which I get it,
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  Speaker 3: but it just didn't seem like anybody had their own
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  Speaker 3: flare or their own like thoughts. So like I would
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: do that a lot and believe it or not that
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  Speaker 3: is something that I'm hoping to be covering with uh
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: Lisa on the show.
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  Speaker 2: That I actually do again.
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  Speaker 3: I think that all goes back to the eyeball and
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  Speaker 3: the pineal gland, because if you do look at like
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  Speaker 3: the times when you're suggested to do these things, you're
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  Speaker 3: getting different different colors are being emanated from the sun
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: at that point, and if you were to keep that up,
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  Speaker 3: it would actually have your pineal gland like grime, the
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  Speaker 3: like optimal use.
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  Speaker 2: I know it sounds.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy, but I do think he was into There's even
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  Speaker 3: like another thing just real quick.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: That I even think shows possible. I do think it's
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of things.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: He points to the optic nerve, which is inside your
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: eye ball, and the optic nerve, when it's inside your
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: in the back of your eyeball, it connects to like
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: your brain, but it like crosses. But in the optic
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: nerve the sunlight he's being transmitted into electricity, so like
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: that goes into your brain. But when it does it crosses,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: it makes an X. As I explained all that just
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: basically saying that the stuff and it makes an AX
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: and crosses. So I do think like possibly his noox
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: formula is literally showing you stuff going on with the eyeball,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: the O N for optic nerve, and then the crossing.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why I'm even saying that
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: is that at some point he shows you that you're
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: supposed to make this, uh a gesture where it shows
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: like you were pinching your nipple and holding a.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Baby and you're supposed to be ice is feeding horse.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Most people probably wouldn't know this. When you're a child
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: and that child lashes its lips or its mouth onto
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: that nipple, it's connected to the mother's panal gland, and
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: that pinal gland is gonna start telling information. Now that's
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: gonna be inside the like clostrum or like that early
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: stuff that then stuff that goes into the baby drinks
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: before all the milk that's coming out. Dad's then gonna
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: tell the baby's panilla gland where it is, what time
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: it is, you're up and.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Down this and that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: So again, unless it's coincidental, I still again see this
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: guy pointing at some sort of connection to the penal gland.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, but uh, I forgot where it
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: was going on with that, But yeah, I do think
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: he was pointing out a lot of stuff like that.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: When I was getting out of right, No, sorry, I'd
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: be doing rash the lesser banishing ritual, the Pentagram, trying
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: to keep your ore clear. They probably suggest to like
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: maybe get into Kabbala Taro and like Crowley stuff just
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: basically read Croly stuff or stuff Crawley suggested to read.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: But I could tell you, like the average person, they'll
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: probably be doing that. They'll probably do maybe doing the
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Pentagram ritual, which then you're starting to contact planetary energies.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Most people probably even still stick to the banishing. I go,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: at some point I was invoking, you know, I was
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: banishing and then invoking specific things.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, over the time, you would, But I'm just.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Saying at beginner, that's really all you're doing is pretty
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: much clearing out any influences and a lot of meditation,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of breathing techniques, a lot of visuals now
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: all the type of stuff that you believe in and
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: gods and this and that. That's kind of actually up
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: to you, because like the Lima is like so open,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: like you could be I could be into Egyptian gods.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Somebody else could be at the Norse Gods. Anybody who's
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: into a whole sorts of things, I think as long
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: as they can kind of attribute, I mean honestly, I mean,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: you could be a member and be faking the funk
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the whole time and just find it interesting.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: But I mean you a lot of people are there
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: that are into different ideas and believes. It's just kind
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: of like almost that basic equation of these rituals. They're
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: so open to where you could do whatever the fuck
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you want with them, you know what I'm saying. Like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like do I want to banish something
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: or do I want to banish something and then invoke
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: something in to be a piece of shit, to be
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: a good person, you know what I'm saying, Like that
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: ritual is just kind of like a tool, depends on
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: what the fuck the individual wants to use it for.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: So were they using like I guess like translated grimoires
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, mixing it with stuff or.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I do they I know they're like one time
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: they did like an ars gaetia, like somebody I actually
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: didn't go to this. I don't know if it was
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: because I didn't want it, or I didn't know about
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: it or just didn't I don't know. It was doing
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: something else.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Where they did yeah, no, but it was like I
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: think you got to be.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: A member for that there Sometimes like where they might
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I think they invoked.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: The fuck I can't remember some go go to a
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: team in some shit like that. I don't know. That
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: was supposed to have been interesting.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: They you know, put it into a I think a triangle.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: But I think somebody was willing to go win it.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: And then I think like they.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Might have just had conversations back and forth. Who knows. Fuck,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Honestly, yeah, yeah, but honestly, like what they really do
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: is they will do the three days of the Book
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: of the Law when it was written. They will do uh,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: you know, something for each day. I'm trying to think
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the Gnostic Mass. There might be like maybe this, I
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's a solstice or what. It's one
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: or two other things that they might do stuff on
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: specifically maybe Cooley's birthday. I can't even remember his death.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: But like a lot of it is just kind of
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: like Gnostic Mass and classes and like stuff maybe like
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: workshops on his books, like it's very like for me
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: when I got out of it really was when I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: went there, I got to meet a lot of people
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: that are into a lot of different things or different
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: styles of magic, or different places to go to read.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Some people might have been into older grimoires and stuff
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: like that, but it wasn't like I mean, there might
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: have been suggested it this way. If you were to
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: go look at the Gnostic Saints list during the Gnostic
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Saint during the Gnostic Mass, there is people listed on there.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Those I would highly suggest to go look at and read. Now,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: those people were into you know, Grimmore's or a train
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of thought that we still follow today. I mean there's
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: people might be surprised one of the people that are
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: on those.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Lists one shot, a couple or what I can bring
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I don't geer. Donald Bruno's on there.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Jaco Poem is and he kind of has like a
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: very uh screen Catholic or Christian even outlook on his experience.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Hill the Guard might be on there as well, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: she was a saint. Let me see if I can
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: find the Gnostic list, miss uh Saints list. Oh, Empedocles
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: is on there. That's like three hundred BC.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: You know, so obviously, like not a lot of people
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: will probably look at these people that I'm mentioning as
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: being like a cultist, But if you want to looked
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: at this ship, you'd be like, Okay, I see here
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Michael Meyer, he was a alchemist, Jacob Boehm of, Francis Bacon,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Jidannel Porto, Elias Ashmole, William Blake, Nietzsche, Carl Kellner, Theodore Russ.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Who's guy I mentioned earlier, Heracles Orpheus. Some reason I
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: thought Platonius was in here, Hermes.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Did that start to like change your view on what
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: magic is?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I'm my idea of magic completely changed a total.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess can't say three six here, I'd
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: be back at the same situation. You know, when I
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: had went in there, I kind of mind for myself
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: why I even joined it or who I was into
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: magic is because I thought it was just like a
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: way of me staying out the matrix, you know what
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like me just to try to like live
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: my own life or just like you know, just have
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: it easy. I wasn't trying to like conquer the world actually,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And I thought, like, you know, maybe i'd be able
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to like I guess, like some own self help through
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: that as I got into it more, and probably once
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I started really getting more into the Kabala, that is something.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you were in the Oteo, I think
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: it'd be very hard to probably understand anything unless you
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: got into the Cabala. So I mean that's probably something
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you did. It's being suggested in the sense redols. So
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: like when I got into the Kabbala more and I
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: even kind of like not pushed back on that, it
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: was just like, I really don't know if I'm into
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: all this.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of deep thinking here.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: So my idea of magic started to change a little
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: bit more where I thought it was much more of
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: like a personal thing or just like a personal growth
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: or changing itself which then you know, helped you maintain
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Or in the outer world. I started, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: even the way I was practicing started changing. At some
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: point I started just getting into more of them, kind
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: of looking at the Tree of life and using the
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: cabalistic tree and doing maybe more of like theorgy where
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I was kind of just invoking angels of God and
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: trying to deal with that aspect of that sphere or
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: that idea of the archetype, uh, you know, asking you
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: know whatever, or trying to obtain that, you know, And
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of times, like I started noticing like instead
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: of like trying to work on things that I'm already
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: good at, I gotta kind of like balance out and
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: work on the shit that I'm shitty at. And I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: guess through that, Like again, it started to be a
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: little bit more shadow work, and I guess kind of
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: like just started dealing I guess with God per se
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: or you know, not so much of like the Egyptian
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: deities that I used to like working with earlier. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: again it was just a lot more personal. Really wasn't
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: really doing anything on my outside life anymore. Eventually, I
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: like through that and meditations, I started having experiences that
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: were different than normal, especially like some of them started
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: to even happen during meditation, Like I really wasn't even
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: doing rituals anymore, so that like it was fucking weird.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: But you know, if people listen to the show at
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: some point, you'll probably hear me say and I, you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: it's even in my art for the you know, the
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: shows that I do or the logo I do believe
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: that I have had an experience crossing the abyss and
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: you know that that happened. I hadn't really been in
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the OTO for a minute or really wasn't active. It
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: was around the time. It was around like prior to COVID,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: right before COVID tell you the truth, and when that
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: whole situation happened, I just for me, I just want
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: to make this, uh, you know, obviously, I just want
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: to say this first. I don't I don't follow politics.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's just decisive. I think both sides a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: gonna fucking the ass the chat. So I actually can't
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: less if they went anyway, but in my opinion, they
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: just happened to like go extreme to one side. And
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I was just like, yo, Like I was just like, oh,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: why does Jesus Christ have more bulls than horrores?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Right now? What the fuck you closing down?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: For?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: All the churches are open.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: So I just started realizing that this shit's like a
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: little fucking weird, and it just had a weird time
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: too in the world, and I was just like, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: think I'm gonna bow out, you know. And then eventually
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I kind of had like my own experiences, which was
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: another reason why I was just like, I'm never going
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: back because it just doesn't emulate where the fuck I'm going.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: But eventually I had my own experiences where I do
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: believe literally, I mean, the first type of weird experience,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I do think, you know, I was doing a ritual
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and I think I was dealing with nuts, possibly hathor
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: or that idea of God that fits on that sphere.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: But after that, these experiences were way more deeper. It
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: was literally all through meditation, you know, and doing visual
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: work kind of like chakra work, focusing.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: On my third eye a lot.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, eventually, just through meditation, I do
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: believe that the experiences that I have, and I do
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: think if you're going to actually experience magic, and I
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: know this may sound like, come off wild, they're crazy.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I just did a show today with this guy Alexander,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: and go listen to him. He pretty much said the
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: same thing. So at least it's not me anymore who's
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: coming out in the.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: School the whole idea of magic. You know, they always
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: talk about a death and the rebirth.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: People might want to entertained that that death is maybe
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit more literal than they'd like to believe.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: You know, you can hear stories about monks or certain
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: people going into such deep meditations they almost seems less,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: seem as if they're they're dead, or they may not
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: even show you know, life signals that you know would
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: be coming up in a hospital. You know, Uh, I
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: do believe that that is where the meditation comes into.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you wanted to do a cheat code,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: perfect example of what I'm getting at is that, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: if you want to entertain that experiencing death is magic,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: look at the movie Flatliners. They're showing you exactly what
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: some people are willing to do to have that experience
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: in a hospital setting.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: But you know you will.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I do think in order to cross the abyss, you
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: will in a sense kind of basically die. And the
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: reason why I'm saying that is because every time that
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I've ever had this experience, there are certain visions and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: feelings that I have that is always like lockst up
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: in the same thing right before it happens. That leads
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: me to believe that I am actually leaving my body
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: because of physically feel myself slipping.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Out of it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a pattern kind of and.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: That those feelings in those visions are only I have
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: never ever ever experienced or seen anything like that except
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: those experiences, so Siam and I can say, well, that
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: feeling kind of felt like that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I can't be screwing any of this up and mistaking
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: it for something else when I've never has ever felt
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: anything like that ever, because it is a I can't
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: even explain it to the point to where it's like
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I've tried to say before.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's if you were like laying on.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: The beach and you can cut your souls off your
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: feet and the wave came up and somehow went through
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: your legs and then like out the top of your head,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: like somehow the waves went through you. I mean, that's exactly.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: It literally feels like you start to feel that flowing
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: up your body until you go out the back of
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: your head. Never felt like that anything ever, you know
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Never ever, ever before except for then,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: So I'm not.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Getting it experiencing.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do honestly believe that to have a
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: magical experience, in order to have a conscious you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to have a contact with God, with the divine, It's
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: not gonna happen in the flesh.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You can't. Yeah, I think you have to slip out
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: of that stuff.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And basically I think, I why whatever it needs to
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: go back to God. He's not coming to me. You
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I gotta go back to Him
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: or it or whatever people want to concern God or
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: you know, the source.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you see all of that?
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: It would be like a light bulb in the ceiling.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm Italian, So I'm gonna keep it with
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: a spaghetti strainer. Put a light bulb in the ceiling
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: and put a sketty trainer over it, and you have
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: all these like little lights shooting out of it like stars,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: shooting stars, you know, keep it crowley like shooting, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: then hits the ground.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: That's all those.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Little dots are all of us grounded, and we gotta
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: somehow break the chains and get back to fuck up
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: that light and go back to Sus. That's that's what
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I look at. I mean, call that God.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: It's a it's just all knowing, it's everything all at once.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I do believe.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: That's like how men, you know, we talk about these
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: people with all these advancement to pyramids, all these different
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: things going on at different times of the world, but
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: like how to we talk to each other. I mean,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: there could have been some maybe a little bit correlation
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: because maybe the earth wasn't actually the way we thought
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: it was. In my opinion, reasons for a lot of
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: advancements to just stop, you know, spring up all over
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: the place is because people are having these experiences and
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: they're getting the information from the same source. Because anytime
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I can tell you and it sounds crazy, sounds cheesy
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: as hell, and it's not as crazy, it's not as
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: as much as in the matrix. But I do think
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: they were showing you this when Neol's like, oh I
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: just learned kung fu. When you have a magical experience,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you're gonna open up your eyes and you understand stuff,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna know stuff you never knew fucking before.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: That's a whole other thing too.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: You're gonna start having all these things like flashing or
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: almost people be like, oh, this guy is crazy. It's
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: almost as if people are like yelling to you in
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: your head, or like something is shouting and telling you
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: truths and like showing you how it is true, and it's.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Just you will just know shit.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Or it's like things that will pop up in your
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: head that you might have been confused about before. All
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're like just like seeing how it
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: makes sense and how it connects, and you're like, holy fuck,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: what the fuck?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: It's just very weird.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: You'll start looking at everything from a different angle, the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: whole death aspect, and you'll just see everything just like
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: line up, and you'll just be like, what, Like, now
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I could see what this was saying. Now, I see
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: what that art was saying. Now I understand what that
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: sid was saying. Now I understand what this part of
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: the tree might have been looking about. It's just very weird.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: It's like almost like a Rubik's cube. It's like maxing
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: up and all these things start clicking change. I even
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: do think that's exactly how you know, elites become elites,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: is because they're having these experiences and they're understanding stuff
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: that others aren't. I mean, if you if you start
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: looking at like all like the technology and all the
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: stuff that we use today, most of this stuff all
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: came from alchemists and ocultist. Man, they're the ones who
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: make these breakthroughs. I hate to say it, they're the
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: ones who lead science in certain shit, the whole the
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: whole way that we look at the planets, that's all
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: been handed down, no matter how which way we want
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: to look at it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: The old way, well, the new way. It's been from
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: an alchemist.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Anything that we originally go went off of with the
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: stars that we are going off of today has been
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: handed to us from a cultist. What we think is
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: in the fucking skies has been told to us from
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: anicultas The fucking technology you were using was was predicted
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: by Nicoultas Athanasius. Kurtis said that in the future, with
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: crystals and light, which is basically optical optical cable in
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: our screens, we'll be able to transmit spirits and demons. Well,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: he's fucking right, especially with our rifle. That dude exactly
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: knew what the fuck was coming same shit, fucking demons
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: in that thing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: They've got like the entire country basically no matter what
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: side you're on, left or right or whatever, that is
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: pretty much hypnotized through technology like their TV. I mean,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that's got to be some kind of like weird magic
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: they've got to manipulate, I mean, hypnosis and just in general.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: The guy, the guy who made the computer chip process.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, he's still alive, he's old. He's like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: if you go listen to him, he's sarting to come
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: out now to speak against AI. If you listen to
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: his reasoning why and what changed his life the mother
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: fuck out of magical experience, which is probably how the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: fuck he even came up with the process.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: You know, just be keeping it real.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're kind of going through like this perception
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: change and this inner yeah elution, yeah, yeah, while you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: were still in there or this is all right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did have those experiences, yes, and then at
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: some point, uh, it's when I had those experiences, I
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: really wasn't in Uh, I was you know again, I
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: was headling into practicing magic, and like a lot of
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: my life at that point, podcast and reading was normally
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: all occult. Prior to that, What got me to the
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: occult was conspiracy. I didn't mention that earlier. You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I was into the conspiracy community. I was big into
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: like David I, Jordan, Maxwell, Mark Passio, you know a
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: lot of people, Michael Sarin, you know, they all talked
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: about the fucking occult.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: So that's what kind of got me into it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: But uh so when I got out, I kind of
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: started going back to the old stuff because I was like, oh,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you know, it was into this ship back then. You know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I had my fun in the OTO. Yes it's over.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's cool anymore. Yeah, so I stopped going,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: and uh, when I started paying attention again to like
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the conspiracy theories or just even politics or the outside world,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I was just like, Yo.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: This ship is everywhere and it's so fucking blatant.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: So eventually I started a podcast and it was just
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: like me talking into a thing by myself and just
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: like putting it out there. And then, uh, eventually I
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: think just out of like that's so much like fuck
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: the OTO whatever. But for some reason, I just, uh,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't I wasn't happy with the place
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: because I just don't think it's not showing you really again,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I wasn't told about certain things that would happen with
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: a magical experience.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody the fuck there might actually know, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I just I don't. I'm not cool with Yeah, I mean,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a fine line.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't agree with the secrets to begin with,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: which is why I come out and say this ship
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: right away.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's just silly. But like I just wasn't.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I wasn't cool with that, Like if what I actually
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: had experience is what's literally considered magic to them, Like,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: holy fuck man, you gotta let them on the fucking
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: know some sort of what something You don't know what
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the fuck's gonna happen. Yeah, like you might actually be
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: doing something. You have to fall this fucking idea, what
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: really is gonna happen?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: You know? But yeah, and uh so that bothered me
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: So I ended up like covering like the first two
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: or three initiations on the podcast, and.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Nobody from the ohto I guess found it, didn't like it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: They passed.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yo.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I got an email he slapped me with the d
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: m c A, which came to my podcast email. First
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: spreaker took it down. Yo, I swear to guys, gonna
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: sound crazy. Rumble took it down and bitch you took
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: it down, and uh, I don't think I had it
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: on YouTube yet.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So we came off of those their lodge on YELP.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: It's so no I got hit with that and they
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: took it down. I was like, oh wow. I was like,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: all right, I guess I guess they came across it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Oh well, so I'm not like thinking much of it,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and I think like maybe, dude, no, lie. Probably six
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: to eight months later now I haven't gone. I haven't
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: gone anymore now because I'm starting to do it, like
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit of video or if I went on
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: somebody else's show, you know, if they had the video on,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I was gonna show the video. When I first came out,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Like again, like I first first came out, I was
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: just on a mic like a microphone, in front of
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: my computer by myself. Then when I started the Occult
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Rejects with the other dude, he was so fucking paranoid
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: he never really wanted to show his camera anyway, So
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: you know, uh so like to me, I really wasn't
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: focused on all that stuff.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I just had a microphone.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: But like you know, I go on other people's show
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: that you know, I didn't want to fucking scene weird.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I put on the you know, at least the camera
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: on the computer and go on so they can see
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: me somebody from the OTO. I don't know if they
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: were like randomly checking ah, but must have seen me.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I get an email
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: to my private email that used to be the email
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: that I would get my OTO emails from, telling me
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: that I was being put on probation and that they're
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: gonna have to contact like the upper head, you know whatever,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the upper people to let to know, you know, X,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Y and Z. Basically that I was repeating initiations that
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I wasn't supposed to blah blah blah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: You know, and I broke oats and that, you know whatever,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: he's gonna have to be reviewed.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: About three weeks later, I get a letter of the
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: mail telling me that I was kicked out.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Alright.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: The crazy thing is is that my friend, like one
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: of my friends. I had a few friends I was
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: still stating there one I did talk to. Two of
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: them I talked to oftenly kind of something.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I talked to him maybe a month in text, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: my friend Jordan was like, you know, because he was
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: still there for a minute. I think he left now,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: but he was like, yo, He's like, you're not actually
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: on the list.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Was what are you talking about?
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: He's like, He's like, I forgot how wofer They'll like
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: send the list of like people that were kicked out
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: and not allowed back in, and I think there's even
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: stages of like you know, harmful or it was just like,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Not a big deal, just you know, just on the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: leave violent to worry about.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: They're like, yo, you're not on there. I was like,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: well I do when I can kicked out. He's like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: he's like, dude, you can probably come back if you
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: wanted to. It was like, get the fuck out of here,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: you know. Then I moved anyway. What I was just
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: like to like couple but supposedly, I mean they sent
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: me a letter of the mail was signing. You know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: the guy even signed it in pencil and wrote his sigil.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, fuck you cocksuck. I threw that ship
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: right now. Hey, I can keeping that ship in my house.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I could definitely see them doing some paperwork on the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: way out, some hr ship.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: You know, the guy is even playing you. They didn't
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: even spell lodge correctly.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: They put lge. I was like, is this even it's
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: just even correct? You didn't even spell.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: It right, y.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Man, that's wild.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: So I don't know where to who he loag is.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: But and they're run on them. But yeah, so like
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: when you're kind of going through that meditation, uh, with
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that experience that you're having, like kind of running through
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: that like oh yeah, or was there it was it
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a specific meditation or.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Uh you know, well, I would say specific in a
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: sense to where I kind of almost had like a
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I it's a formulatle word to me, but it wasn't
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: like specific specific A lot of times I forgot the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: name of it. If there's people will meditate, or even
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: even witches, uh not ceremonium magicians, they probably know of
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: this meditation where it's like you just picture white light
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: or white you know light coming in and just kind
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: of filling up your body and going down maybe going
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: out of your feet into the ground to ground yourself.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I would do that, or sometimes you'll do the opposite
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: where it's coming up and then going out and connecting whatever.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I would do a lot of that where you're just
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: like energy I guess visualization. I would actually try to
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: picture it moving, and you know, besides me, there's other
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: people that I have heard, you know, my experiences that
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: and I mean sound crazy when you start doing this enough,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: especially with your eyes closed. My opinion, like when you're
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: picturing yourself there in the darkness, but like your body's
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: filling up with this light.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: It's gonna sound crazy.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: You almost have to like actually feel it blowing, like
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: you feel heat wherever you're focusing in your mind on
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: your body that's starting to fill up.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: To me, that would show that like I'm making some
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: sort of like mental physical connection with my eyes closed.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: So then after that, I would start going into the
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: chakras and just try to focus on my chakras. Sometimes
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I think I got this from Oh God, something Judith.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: She's got the Wheels of Time. It's a really good
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: chakra book. I would pull on the top one of
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the bottom one, try to like you know, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: stretch everything out, get everything lined up.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I would go.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Through them, and I started to notice, and this is
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a crazy thing. How it's like, I'm gonna be honest
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: with you, like I knew it seems like something weird
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: was happening, but I didn't expect it to.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Go where or when.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I started to know a lot of times that if
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I focused on my paneal going when I was during meditation,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and it was almost like I almost like I have
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to go cross side, but look up and it's like
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: my eyes are focusing almost making it like a triangle
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: maybe from my eyes to my panial going and push
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: on it my vision, my vision. Now, like some people
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: may understand this, like when you're meditating for a while,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: For me, the black gets blacker. I don't know if
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: it's because I'm just not paying attention on my body's
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: really not so much worried about what's on side outside.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: It's more inside maybe just not whatever. It just seems
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: to get more black. And whenever I would do that,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I mean it would start to get black black, like
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I would just notice it look like something like it's
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: just weird that it was just like black black would
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: start like almost creeping out. So there's a few times
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: where I started, you know, kind of focusing on that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Then this one time I was really like kind of like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna push this motherfucker hard now people,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: you know, people may not get it, but like some
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: people who when they do chakra work too, they say
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: they where they can feel the bull spinning and all
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: that stuff, or you could feel like pressure in these areas.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Now I experienced that as well. So I was pushing
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: on my pineal.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Gland, you know, harder kind of and I did notice,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: like an a the black came out, and this time
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I was pressing it like it almost looked like lasered
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: like rainbow colors, but almost like if it was like
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: thermal looking like when you have like a thermal camgo
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: something like this glowing lasered lines that almost looked like
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: an oil spill like out in the road. How like
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: when you're driving, you'll see like the rainbow slicking it
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: like that kind of coming out of like real black,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: like it literally looks like oil, like you're almost looking
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: at like an oil slick coming out.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, this one tiny.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Little white dot, which I do question if that's Curley's
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: blazing star. You will see this tiny, tiny fucking white
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: like burning like it is so bright, this tiny dot,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: and it's kind of like where you're for me, where
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I was pushing on my pinal g line and it
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: almost starts to like kind of like almost like a wobbles,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: but it's just like it's gonna sound crazy. It's almost
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: like I would have to lock into it with like
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: pushing on my pinial gland and kind of like focusing
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: in a certain area, and also it would just like
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: hold on to that dot. It would start to like
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: come closer, like the harder I pushed on the pineal
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: g line, I'm still pushing on my pineal in this
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: whole fucking experience, and it will start to get closer,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, like it's like you see
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: like this black almost like soot like swirl into the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: middle and like take like a black circular form, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: then it starts to like get closer and look like
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: an eclipse, which like I think like if you ever
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: see my logo, it has like an eclipse in the
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: middle of it. We'll start to turn to that and
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: then like all of a sudden, like around that you'll
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: to me, it looks like you'll start seeing like a
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: kind of like red or yellow like explosions almost look
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: like it's hard to explain. And then it starts to
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: you know, and like all around this thing too. It's
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: hard to explain. I've said this on shows before, but
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: it's almost like inside that black or the darkness, there's
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: almost like like shapes of like cutout clouds, like if
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: something if you saw light like illuminate sometimes like it
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: looked like there was like definition of like it's hard
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: to explain, like curvature, so like when you see explosions,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: it almost starts to look like at one point when
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: it starts to be more red than the other colors,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: literally starts to look like roses.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Almost blooming open around the eclipse. H you know.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And that's why I's one of my logos. I have
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: roses around the eclipse because I'm trying to imitate the
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: image that I've seen.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: And then after.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: That spirals like these white bright lines like I think
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: red might be like red blue and purple green something
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I can't even remember anymore. Uh, starts like spiraling out
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: of the eclipse and spinning to it almost looks like
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: it's this vibrating, you know, spirals coming at you. And
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: then it starts almost to turn into like geometric shapes,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: you know, sacred geometry almost like you know, spinning like
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: hexagrams and shit coming. And then at this point I'll
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: start even probably as I get up to the next
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: thing is when I really start feeling a lot of
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: feelings in my body.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: At this point, like if I.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Was sitting down a laying down, I will start to
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: feel like the bottom of my feet starting to like
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: almost disappear and like any energy is rising up, Like
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: let's say, like I'll feel like the energy's risen up
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: to my knee, and from blow my knee, I don't
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: feel anything anymore. It's as if it's like nonexistent and
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: that sounds crazy, but like eventually, like I've done it
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: in my bed, eventually, at some point it's just like
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: it's like all I feel is my head on the
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: bed and there's like a ton of pressure. Now when
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I start seeing these geometric things, change kind of goes
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: away and then all of a sudden, like the eclipse
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: is just there and it's like fucking it's so like
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: ominous and these I use movie reels in the art
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: because I thought it was just a cool way to
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: try to explain it. You'll start to get like these
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: cutout windows almost like doors ont of sideways that look
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: kind of like Sepia cellophane or or movie lens with
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Sepia on it, and you'll see like different different scenes.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: You know, I have questions in the future of the past,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: the what, but it's just it's not where I am
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: now on both sides, and they're just coming like real
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: slow a way that I've tried to explain.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: It is if like you.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Were in a train station and maybe you had two
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: trains coming down, going in the same direction, but were
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: going slow. In the train car windows, we're kind of
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: just going down past you, and you were able to
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: look at like kind of like view a little bit
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: on each one what was going on in there. There
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: was one time when I was interested kind of like
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: in one of the windows, and it was just if
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: like my vision like when I'm when I'm experiencing all
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: this too, it's just like my vision of myself. I
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: have no body, I'm just like seeing this and experiencing this.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I started to kind of like like it was almost
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: like I hovered over to go look in the window,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and to me, I make jokes, but I was like,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: it looks like Arizona or like a nuclear fallout or
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: some shit, and I was just like, that doesn't For
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: some reason, I started thinking that doesn't look interesting or seeing.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Something like that. And this is even another thing.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Anytime I stop having a thought itself, I always snapped
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: myself out of this ship.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So as soon as I started thinking that it was over.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: But now there's been times where I didn't worry about
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: the windows, and they just you know, they're just like
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: coming and everything is silent too.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: You don't fucking you know, shit, it's like your death.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: The yeah, the stuff starts coming and at this point
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like feeling my body rise up. And then they
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: go away, and then it's just like hovering there. And
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: then the black part, you know, like on an eclipse
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: or you know, where they separate normally, you know, separates
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: from the side kind of like that.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I guess it also depends on where you're viewing it from, but.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: It comes apart from like the black part separates going up,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: and like a good way to explain it is like
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: when it starts to separate a little bit, you get
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: this crescent right at the bottom that looks like the
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: crescent on top of Toat's headdress. Or it's almost like
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: this big chesshire cat fucking smiling at you.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: It's glowing crescent from like it's starting to separate. It
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: starts to look like that for a little bit, and
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, it just starts slowly pulling apart.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: And then as it like kind of like separates and
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: comes apart, I start to feel like this the fluttering
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: like through my body and it goes through my head
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: and like literally it's gonna sound crazy.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: It's like right right to those Jews, but the Yamaco man.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Right, It's like, literally, dude, like I fucking busted a
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: nut out at the top of my head.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, all of a sudden, you start feeling.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: Like like you literally a I literally starts to feel
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: like when I was saying like that water flowing through.
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: It's like I feel like literally rush and start coming
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: out the back of my head and like that that
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: white orb now that I'm saying, because the black is gone.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: It's like so like fucking flies towards me and it's
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: just like everything just turns white.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: And I feel like I totally like exploded at the
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: top of my head and feel like I just turned
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: into like a thousand butterflies. And it's like I'm fluttering
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: and getting stretched out and like all angles, like all
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: over the place, like like two thousand and one, you know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: like when it starts getting into that weird part and
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: it looks like all that that weird shit just getting
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: stressed out, you know, stretched out and stuff. And I'm
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: experiencing everything as this is a view, and it feels
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: like I'm literally just.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Floating within it and just like just.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Experiencing it all I feel, and I swear the only
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: thing that I feel. It is way beyond any drug
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: that I've done, and I've done a lot of dumb shit. Ay,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: better than any nut that I've busted. It's better than
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: sex or and it's better than any feeling that I
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: even thought I ever had for a person that I love.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: It is this just radiant feeling of complete love and
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: ecstasy and just like I am happy just being just
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: being here and existing. I have no thought of self,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I have no thought of anything. I'm just sitting here
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: experiencing this and I just feel immense love. And then
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: at some point it always comes down to it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Where am I? What am I doing? What do I
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: look like? And then it's fucking over. And then when
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I come back, when I open up my eyes, you
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: go through this hole, that whole other situation I'm telling
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: you about, wh're you?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: All these things are not clicking.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: And yet for me I felt like shit because I
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: did it a few times kind of back to back
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: in one week, and I can tell you right now. Physically,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I mean I ended up in the hospital, but physically
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't suggest it. I don't over and over again,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: but physically, I mean you even kind of start to
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: feel like shit.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it like kind of draining, like after well.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: That, I mean, like listen, if that's really what's happening.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I think if you take something that's meant to be
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: out of the fucking body, in my opinion, you give
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: it some freedom and then shove them on the fucker
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: back into itself, it's gonna be uncomfortable.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna ask during that whole process, was
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: there anything that you recognize that kind of is being
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: used or symbolized out here in the real world?
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: One?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I do, uh, well again, I do think a lot
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: of symbolism is just take away too long to get
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: into proba leagues that have to start a basics. But
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff I do think is actually believe
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: it or not, especially Renaissance art and especially listen.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I have no.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I think every religion and every organization they have pieces
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: of shits in there. But I do think maybe the
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Catholic Church might have something of value, but their churches,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: especially the renaissance or my opinion, and that art is
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: all depicting the fucking eyeball. Most of it is a
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: lot of it is showing that I think the.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Association with the brain, that is a lot of that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I started noticing after I've had my experiences because for
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: some reason, I don't know why I had this thing,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: just telling me look into your eyes, and when I've
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: had these experiences, this is another thing I want to
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: add to. Every fucking time I've done this, one of
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: my pupils gets huge and the other one gets more.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: To the point, even like when I went to the
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: hospital at that time, they're even like, you know, you
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: gotta go see an eye doctor. They're like, you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: we could, we gave you basic tests. You seem okay,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: but like you need to see a specialist. That's not normal.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: And I went and even told me you can see fine.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you where the hell has happened, and
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: within a few weeks to go back to normal. I've
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: even posted on Twitter one time I pushed myself pretty
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: close to the edge and when I opened up my eyes,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: my pupils.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Were fucked up.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I posted that shit on Twitter, and this is years ago.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, see, I was making jokes. I
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: don't know exactly what this guy does. Maybe he has
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: a problem. But the liver King, when he was acting crazy,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: people were asking, why is this one eyeball blown out?
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: He had one eyebow was bigger than the other one.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Pupil was big the other.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: My opinion, I'll just throw this in there too out
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: of nowhere. Maybe somebody will catch and be like, oh,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: maybe a motherfucker was talking some shit. I even think
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: out of the rituals are actually showing you the changes
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: are going on inside your rval. All has to do
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: with changing of the pupil and how much light you're
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: bringing in or removing.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: That's what opinion.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: But I do think there was a lot of eyeball
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: stuff in there, a lot of this this is what
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: kind of like.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Was Another thing that.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: You know, especially with the death aspect, is that when
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I saw it taking that literal, I was able to
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: see a little bit more I think, and what the
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: people were saying because I was like, all right, now
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I can really take that as having a magical experience,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: and now I really understand what they're talking about because
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I felt that and I saw that you know what
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, you know, people these experiences that they have,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: like my experience that I have, I could probably use
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: ten million fucking paintings to try to explain. You know
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying like this is there's no words for
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: certain things that I felt because I don't even know
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: how to explain it in this language. I mean, you
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: saw me even trying to explain certain things I saw,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: how to use like silly ways to explain it because
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I don't even have language even explain what I felt
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: a saw.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: So we have art. I think, you know, for that
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: one of those reasons.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: So you kind of, in my opinion, if you've had
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: those experiences, especially even like with me with the Eclipse,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: since I've started fucking using that, I've noticed it a
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: lot and other especially in older bands that are a
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: little open about what they were into. You know what
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, I start noticing certain things and I'm like,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think I ever would have known that.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Unless I saw the same thing.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: I felt, the same thing with this person is saying
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: in this song this weird line that nobody understands I
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: know what it means, or to me, I know what
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: it means because I felt that you're just trying to
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: explain something that sounds weird so nobody gets it. But
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: it's a feeling or a vision that you had, or
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: a way to explain the experience that you had. So
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I had to take it off into like
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: you know, the D band, and that exactly what you know.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Beginner people are people that are just getting into this stuff,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: you know, listening to this type of stuff wanted to hear.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: But I do think the relationship between the eye, the
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: way the light travels up into your eye and to
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: your brain, and the experience of death, I do think
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: is like actually very blatant when it comes to a
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: cult symbolism and the cult stories. I think it's I
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I I even think that's why sometimes we
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: see so much death, you know, because it's a reenactment
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: of a magical experience to bring in something or whatever.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: It's hard to explain, but you know, I mean, if
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: you start like, not, no, try to say this.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: The right way. I don't want to sound and come
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: off that I'm blaming anybody for anything.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: But like you have, you have rituals where you will
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: see the hexagram and you will see the hexagram and
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: the swastika both being used.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: You see those right.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Now, and we've seen it before, and all that equates
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: is massive deaths.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Mhm.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Is it like rising up.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: The German one or is it the Hindu one?
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what's.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: The Oh gotcha? Okay, Yeah, it's kind of fun.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one mixed in like the and the and
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: the hexagrammers.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: That's the dark arts right there.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: I mean drawing a hexagram and at one point you
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: are making the symbol of the swastik or as isis
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: in the moon. So I mean you do see these
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: symbols mixed together. If you were to go look at
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: older older videos of Hitler when he was running his mouth,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: you'll see him like sides of walls that you will
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: it's weird, but you'll see the hexagram and the swastika together.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: You'll see people drawing them in spray, painting them and
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: putting them awn walls together. So these things are being
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: fucking used with something else. I don't know whatever, But again,
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: like I'm just saying, like, you'll see, like in my opinion,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: you will see certain things that might be attributed to
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: visions or feelings. That has to do with death, and
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: then you will see kind of that idea going along
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: with it in some other way.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: It's a little weird and freaky.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: So is that like what your view of magic kind
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: of turned into, like towards the end of that whole experience,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: like an inner kind of well more more so than.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: And I was in a way, I was asking, see,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: this is the whole thing the whole time.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm as a magician.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: My what my goal was was to have an experience
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: with God or the divine and to come to know
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: God and myself.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: That was what my goal was.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I never ever would have thought that it had to
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: encounter like you separating your soul from your body to it.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: So but in my opinion, now you know, my experience
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: with magic is that that's the way that you know,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: I've experienced it, is that in order for me to
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: contact God or the diviner, to have experience with it,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: I have to leave the flesh or at least tether
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: from it. You know, Originally it wasn't like that. I
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: just thought, like, you know, I prayed it to my
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: little theorgy stuff. I tried to, you know, read up
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: on things, meditate, you know, look at how whatever, you know,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: it was just it was it wasn't the same what
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I thought. I might have had the same goal, but
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: what got you there was not what I expected at all.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: You know what I and I think like a lot
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: of it too is like you know, a lot of
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: the shadow work. I think your mind has to be
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: still enough for this stuff to even happen, which just
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: means I think, like you have to deal with a
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: lot of like hate, anger, guilt, you know, things that
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: are going on within you. Did your brain start thinking
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: about that will take you out of the experience, you
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: stop focusing on what you're focusing on. So I think
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: you do have to you know, have to clear the
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: mind as well. But I just never thought that clearing
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: it enough to pull your own plug out? Technical was
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: you know, what was happening? I mean that's what you know,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I was just talking about with the
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: suicide solution.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was like the craziest I guess form of it?
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Were they like conjuring like spirits? What was the craziest
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: ship that you saw out there?
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: You know what? He again? In the oto?
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Uh? They I know people are like, oh, I can't
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: believe that, but like you know, all right, you got
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: titties at the Gnostic Mass.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: But honestly, from my experience, the only.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Thing that's what the Catholic Church is missing.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get people to throw more money in the basket.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: To Yeah, as they haven't already might be on something there.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that thing with that goetic demon when they you know,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: and you know again it was a it was by
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: choice by will or whatever. That probably out of the
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: whole time I was there, the only time I've probably
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: even seen something like that, believe it or not. Again,
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: it's normally the Gnostic mask. It's the days Crowley did
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: his writings. And then like the solstice might be like
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: at our lodge, I think we had somebody else come in.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: There was like a coven of witches that sometimes too,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: like the solstice or the other the equinox stuff.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: But besides that, like a.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: They're believing or not not too quick to start working
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: with shit like that inside the lodges of places, you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to have a good reason about why
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: you were even bringing that. That's another thing too, Like
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I at one point was gonna bring a ritual that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I wanted to perform there to invoke hathor.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: If that ritual would have happened, it wasn't the OTO
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: that wanted to do it. They allowed me to do it,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So it's not even like
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: that these things are like, oh, we want people to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: do this and be here for this. No are it's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: going to be closed. It's not ever gonna be open
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: to the public. They're gonna make less money because now
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: people aren't paying to coming through the door to see it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: So you know what I'm getting out, Like shit like that,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: it's I wouldn't say it's necessarily the Oto. It could
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: be like somebody's personal thing. But to be totally honest
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: with a lot of it was like classes on like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: you know, get talisman's candle magic, fucking Dutch magic could
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: be a class on like Hebrew jumatria.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Certain people, yeah they are, they don't. This is a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: kind of interesting thing too, Like you won't see that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: much specific like you'll see a lot of stuff done there.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: There's like a lot of other things that they kind
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: of don't touch on, and it's just like that here's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: the toys and tools. Have at it and have fun
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: like smacky in the ass it's like I don't know,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like they kind of really
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: don't talk about a lot of stuff that is brought
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: up in magic. I don't know. And again maybe it's
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: lack of people to be able to talk about it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: at the places, but uh, it's not as And again
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not a member. I'm not cooking for
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: the motherfuckers. I'm just keeping it around. I mean, there
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: really wasn't. It wasn't It's not what people from my experience,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: it wasn't really what people they think A lot of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: people think.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I had kind of gotten into like a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: disagreement with even like another.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Podcast in a while ago to where like place he
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: was talking about, Yeah, I think they well they're a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: little bit there was a little bit worse of an
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: organization maybe than others. But I was just like, from
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: my experiences in the OTO, what you fucking people think
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: is going on inside those lodges is completely fun and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: utterly ridiculous. I'm like, half these fucking people in there
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: are scared of their own shadows, and you think everybody's
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: child sex trafficking, Like what the fuck?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Damn you all like, yeah, everybody's processed church like fucking
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: get over yourself.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, there's a gate and that there's a whole process
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: to get in.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: No, Yo, that's even like another thing too, Like, Yo,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: even even to become a member, you can petition for
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: like the first four or five like initiations with degrees.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Like so basically it's like if you want to become
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: a member, you ask them for the paperwork, and you
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: just got to get two people to basically sign off
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: and say we don't think this motherfucker's crazy.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're in the door.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they're not exactly real, yo.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: That Joe.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: There is people there was even like ogs and other
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: people that I knew. I'm not gonna mention their names,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: And some of you even passed away that were even
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: saying that was their fucking complaint with the lodge that
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: I was in. Your motherfucker's worried about quantity instead of quality.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: You're letting anybody the fucking and the ship's getting dumb
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: now it's water down.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what did your like perception of it like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: end up? Were you kind of like more so into
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: it or less? Oh?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: I guess I would say I'm more into the whole
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: science aspect. Now I'm huge into like trying to go
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: into like the eyeball stuff, the whole you know, after
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: you know, the death experience, a lot of like now
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: with the science that comes into that, just like just
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: realizing things. I guess because of having these experiences, I've
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: started to think a little bit more about like vibrational shit,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: just like a lot of bit more believing or not
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: weird science that kind of starts to tie in with
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: an occultism. I've been very much looking into that, which
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: has led me to come across shit that's real that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: when you start looking at this stuff, you're just like, well,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: how the like this fucking world definitely isn't what we
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: think it is, you know what I'm saying. Like, even
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: when you just start looking into like places like you know,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: megalists that give off certain frequencies and certain wad shit
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: goes on, so yea, at some point you're like, that's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: magic in itself. You just gotta understand what really is,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: you know. So it's just like U it's probably brought
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: in I believe it or not. It's broad in my
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: horizon more to the scientific area and mixing spirituality and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: magic with it interesting.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I again, I'm not I'm not like cooking for
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: the guy. I'm sure. I think a lot of the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: people that Crowley.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Was influenced by was doing the same thing, or some
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: of them were blatantly writing books about the eyeball.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: That's another thing.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, even like Robert Flood, somebody, I think he
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: mentions guy had books about the eyeball. So my opinion,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Crowley was talking about science to an extent. I do
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: think he was talking about even talking about this whole
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: eclipse thing and this whole crescent, in this whole flesh.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's basically the same thing coming into this world.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Well, that sperm hits that egg and there's that flesh
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: alight that creates life. I'm seeing the same other fucking
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: thing when I go out, wow, you know so. And
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: I just think that he he understood that. I think
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: he understood the eyeball. I think he understood the brain.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes some of those poses that he does,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: I actually thinks he's referencing body parts. I know people
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: probably don't want to hear this, but I do think
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: he actually did understand that stuff. He understood science to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: a certain extent, and I think he was ciphering it
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: and putting it in his ship. Yeah, I'm not saying
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: again that this guy is a genius and put him
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: up on a pedestal.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Sounds like you're saying he's a genius, not kidding.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Well no, no, well doubts he isn't a culture he
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be put up on a pedestal. But I do
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: think he.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Did have science in his stuff. I mean totally honest
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: with you. I'd love to be able to prove that,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: just so the Oto could possibly lose their religious fucking
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: tax Ridolfs, because I actually think the Lehman is more
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: of a science, if I'm correct, than a fucking religion.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about if you're actually.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Talking about the eyeballs and the brain and the changes
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: within light and all that stuff, this isn't a religion anymore.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: This is just called science. Well, how the fu you
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: religious rydos the fuck you don't deserve it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: It's science.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: A lot of that kind of stuff has been like
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: defined by like the Vatican for the like in the West,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: and so it's like you're kind of working against that
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: definition the entire time. Like with like magic, they're like
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: they're taking magic out of the Bible while they're like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: basically using it to manipulate people, like at a very
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: large scale, you know, and they're defining it in a
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: different way as they're doing It's pretty.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Oh no, but that's I do think some of that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: is in there, some of the stuff he's saying in
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Gnostic Mass and some of his rituals.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I do think he points to that possibly.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: It's even like another thing too, I find interesting the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Hubble the Hubble telescope, the way the mirrors reflect to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: get the visual is the same as the universal exc room.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Oh shit damage that they use that I can't see it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: They be mine on the room.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's just exactly how the hubbles helloscope season.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: And that image even was created before I was to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Croley too. That's another thing. People think he came up
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: with it. No, he just used it from somebody else.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the guy's name, but.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Just passed down. I mean that, honestly, it seems like
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit is like translated and either like
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: published as is under a different name, or just like
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: kind of altered and then kind of published.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Like Wine and Snake was basically like a ripple or
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: something prior. Oh yeah he was. I think it was
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: just a master of synthesis for sure.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But there is like this kind of weird recorded
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: history like throughout different eras, like I mean John D.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Edward Kelly, Oh yeah, I mean you have Abraham Lincoln
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: trying to do seances in the in the White House,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: his wife.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Even with like John D.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Like even Crowley, like some of these people that we've
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: even heard of too, It's like I do think they're
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: also intelligence. Hm, you know, like I do think Croley
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: was intelligence. So then it's like even at that Pinet,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: like the character even being handed, is the stuff that
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: they're supposedly saying even is it ciphered?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm getting it?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really so wondering, especially when there is good
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: proof that some magicians were possibly intelligence. I mean, in
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: my opinion, I think the intelligence community would love an
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: actual real magician, like someone who's experienced magic. I think
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: they would be very interested in those people.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Well have you heard of that like Operation Often or something. No, Well,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: there's there's like I don't know, people are like bringing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: it up right now. It's like that type of thing
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: within the government where they're like seeking out witches and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: fuck but uh, yeah, Walter. I had Walter Bosley on recently.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: He mentioned dude at the end, I said, I just
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: asked him, like, how did your like experience within like
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: the intelligence agency shape your view of like the type
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: of research he's in, And he went it. He went
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: deep and like his his fucking mentor that got him
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: into the Intelligence agency, being into necromancy and teaching him
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: that type of shit. And he kind of talked about
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the deeper you go within government, the more of those
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: type of people you kind of find, like he referred
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: to them as wizard wizards. When you said it though,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: it's a fuck, it's a wild clip man, I mean
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: it's it made me like, yeah, I was thinking about
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: that for a couple of weeks later I was like,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: holy shit. And then but there's another operation that they've
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: kind of I guess, have released documents on. I can't
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: think of the name right now, but yeah, they were
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: kind of like looking for that type of shit, those
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: type of people. I think it kind of got dumbed
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: down by like they thought Russia were doing the same thing.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: They're spending a certain amount of money looking.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I think I know what you're talking about Yeah, they're
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: looking into like psychological.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Shit, yeah, like the Monroe into.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Gateway Project. Yeah, we covered that a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: few times.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: They're looking for like psychics and mediums, and no.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I use some of those tapes. I'll tell you right now.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: I mean I only got a few. Win. I do
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: think that shit works because the reason why I was
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: even saying that is when I was telling you about
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: like those physical feelings I was happening.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Could take me I mean you could take me a
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: half hour forty minutes to get into a meditation to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: even have that happens well, you know, or it could
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: happen very rarely sometimes quick with those tapes fifteen minutes in.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's twenty minutes in, like when you're actually into
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: like the meditation, meditation, depending on how far I guess
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: you are, all of a sudden started feeling I was like, oh, yep,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: I know that feeling.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Shut the shit off. I wasn't like looking to go
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: that far.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I started feeling like kind of like
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: the legs sawting to go, and I.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Was like, that's like fucking beats in the beginning.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, all right, I think we're done here.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: This shit works. I know plenty of people actually that
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: have tried it. Like did they say that that ship
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: takes them somewhere?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Damn? Yeah? How long is the entire thing? I think of,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: like listen to like a ton.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Of funk that it's all ships of like CITs of tapes.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's kind of like a thing that
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: they teach now out and like the multiple locations.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think or you can just buy the set
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: from Like I don't even think you have to go there.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: I think you just buy the ship too. I could
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: be wrong.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's copies of the stuff all
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: over the place too.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you're pretty into history kind of been visiting
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: some cool spots around Yeah.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh man, I have I have a lot
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: of stuff that I haven't put on yet like that.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: I got to be like documentaries, like like seriously long
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: ones too. Uh. I went to d C and filmed
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of Oh hell yeah, the societies out there,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: you know, I kind of show the history of some
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: of them, like you're saying, I have that probably like
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: a few days worth of st if. I went to Italy.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: I went to Rome. I went to POMPEII went to Venice.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: A whole bunch of stuff on on, like the architecture
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: over there.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where else did I go?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I went on to my park that was like when
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: I was in New York. There was like a tie
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: to like occultism with that place. So I have that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: that might be even the next thing I do. Or Nashville.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: The only reason why I might wait on Nashville is
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: because I might actually head back out there to film
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit more. But that was probably the first
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: place I really filmed. I filmed Nashville, and like I
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: just happened to be there. I brought my equipment with
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: me because I think at the time, I was going
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: with somebody that had to go there for a few
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: days for work and I had to way to like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: you know, basically just had to fly there, and the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: room was like I could stay with them, So it's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: a guy, I'll bring some stuff with me. And I
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: started noticing, like I was like all the Freemance Lodge
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: and I noticed that, and I started filming it, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: then I started noticing it. I was like, Yo, what
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: is like all these government buildings and all these other
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: buildings all over the place, I have the same exact
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: fucking architecture, So you know, yeah, that's my interest. And
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: I started filming a lot of the stuff and there's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: a few more places I probably could have grabbed, but
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't because of the time. But yeah, I even
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: wanted to show that how I think, like even from
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: architecture in certain places, I think he kin an idea
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: of like who was there first, and like who was
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: kind of like you know, running the place.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so how do you feel about all that, like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: because there's like a bunch of different ways you can
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: go with it with that type of architecture, Like.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: Uh, a lot of it even when I get to
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: it now eventually when I do cover it, a lot
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: of the architecture and the art that is in that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: it does pertain to where I think I can point
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: it to the eyeball again as well.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: So that is another reason why I do want to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: show that some of this stuff, especially in Italy to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Italy and the stuff in Nashville. I think there's a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: good case I could show stuff that you even going
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: by stuff I've covered or maybe getting a little bit
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: more technical, I could show how I do think it's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: art representing eyeball.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Stuff than Yeah, what else do I have? Uh?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, I can't remember. Oh, I went to the Cosmic Summit.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: I put some stuff out on that. I might go
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: to Mount Pilot in films stuff there. I don't know
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: if that's really so much history. That's more of like
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: showing a crystal pyramid. Yeah it's in North Carolina, but yeah,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I have filmed a lot and uh to plan on
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: putting that stuff out. The more of the history, it
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: might actually be like more of guests than I have
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: on to cover that. But myself, like I did say,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: like why do have Washington? I'm showing more of the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: occult history.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Oh and Yale? How the fuck did I forget? That'd
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: probably be like three parts.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: I went to Yale and filmed like all the secret
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: societies and filmed the graveyard and a few other things
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: like Gowing. Like again, like the I guess the history
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: of the secret societies in the area and what's going on.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's probably a heavy Freemason vibe going on.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that was a lot.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: There's a it might be over like ten secret societies,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: but yell that people may not even know about.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with that architecture. What do you feel about that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: whole Tartaria shit. Do you think it's like something that
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: could have been all connected or I mean, maybe not Tartaria,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: but something else.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: I do think think I don't know if it would
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: be like Tartaria. I'll put it this.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Way, because I even get kind of a little confused
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: with Tartaria and Atlantis and all this, and then my opinion,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: I do think, which is even something I try to
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: show even with occultism, with these occultists again, like I'm
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: showing Robert Flood and like his book, this guy's showing
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: drawings of the eyeball that's like just as detailed as
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: almost like a microscope nowadays.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: How the fuck were you doing that? I think.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: I do think that we've had technology in the past,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: and this is just the cycle that might possibly be
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: just go through. So I do think that we have
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: been an advanced possibly civilization before in the past, but.
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  Speaker 2: Believe it or not, may not have this sign of being.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: A high tech society, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: they might have maybe high tech in this sense of
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: like free energy, but like yet not everybody has an
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: iPhone in their hand, and that's free energy isn't for that,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like they could be like things,
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  Speaker 3: but it still is very more spiritual.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So do you see it kind of as like
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  Speaker 1: a reset maybe if has happened.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, or maybe like something goes wrong the machines explode.
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  Speaker 3: Who I mean, I mean just thinking, who knows what happened?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: I do question, uh, polar shifts, which isn't happy to say,
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  Speaker 3: because that's kind of something that might be inevitable and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: eventually somebody's gonna be alive for it to happen and
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: you can't change it. But I do question that. And
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  Speaker 3: again even one of the reasons why I question that
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't sound positive. Doesn't sound like a great thing
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  Speaker 3: to say, but our planets kind of already started exhibiting
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: that and like the next one or two flip. I mean,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: I hate to say, odds are I mean, it's fucking
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: coming this way, you know. And I do wonder if.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: That's uh, that's a possibility.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: You know, mountains utilized or underground bases utilized for that
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: possibly the polar shift the fuck knows. But no, I
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: think that's a possibility and that could reset humanity.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Do you think they could do that with like a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: weather manipulation or have done like.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I've actually believe it or die.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: It's gonna sound crazy, And I'm not saying these people
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: are out to save us. I actually wonder if there's
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of things that I think go on in
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: this world that we're being told as something else and
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: we're just being handed a fucking bullshit story of what's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: really I do even because some of the stuff that
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: they're trying to build and tell us. For another thing
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: is that they're literally trying to fucking control and make
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: sure the poll shift doesn't happen because motherfuckers don't want
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: to die. They want to keep ruling this place.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: That's a weird part of like American history. Like it's
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: like eighteen fourteen to eighteen sixteen, Like the East coast
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: up north was just frozen over kind of for a
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: couple of years, like they call it, like a year
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: without a summer. It's like some shit I've never heard of,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: but it happened like after the War of eighteen twelve,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: and it's fucking weird as hell. You know what the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: hell was that? But sounds like some fucking Western expansion shit.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: But do you have a time.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: I'm here or you got other questions, go for it.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you been like kind of doing that type
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: of meditation like after leaving the.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Air, Yeah, I continue to after the oto for a bit.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: I mean every once in a while, I still do
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: not as heavily. I won't take my I haven't taken
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: myself that far in a minute, I'll be totally honest
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: with you, But I can like bring myself to like
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: the eclipse and like almost just kind of hold it
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: and just like meditate.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Kind of.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: That at times has some benefits. But I mean I
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: don't do rituals. I haven't done I haven't done rituals
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: since I've had those experiences without doing a ritual. The
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: only thing I might do anymore is I still will
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: study and read stuff, obviously just for the fucking podcast
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: in itself, you know, saying like I'm covering all occultists
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: and old grimoires and I'm learning about them then if
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't know about him already, So I mean I
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: would still say I mean to that I'm very much
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: still into the Kabbala. I mean, I probably consider myself.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: I mean it sounds crazy to say, but a cavalist.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: I mean I am into the cabala. I do utilize
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: that and trying to look at this world and understand God.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: But I again like I'm not casting out a less
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: a banishing ritual. I'm not doing the star ruby or scraaming,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: nothing like that anymore. And I don't have my robes.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: You get the sword ready?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have the dagger though. I actually noticed
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: I had that ship in the closet after it.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Well that was there.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: I would be honest with some ship. The ex wife
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: was just like, go fund yourself and throw it down.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: So thank your dagger. I will I need it.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: No, I happen to I. I guess I was like, wow,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: I happen to grab this one grab I didn't grab
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: it once?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well shit, man, I'll end it with this. I
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: usually asked all the guests at the end, just so,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: what do you think happens to you when you die?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Oh? Man?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: I mean I do think in a sense, uh right,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: in some way, I think reincarnation.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying you come up back as a human again.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Uh, I mean could there be a could you be
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: somewhere for a minute before that happens. I don't know,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: and again, like the idea of time even out of
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: the flesh, I don't even I don't know that even works. Uh,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: But if my opinion, I do think like energy just
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: comes back, you know, it doesn't get destroyed like it
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: you know, that whole idea. I do think your return
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: maybe depending on how the experiences you had in the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: frame of mind you were in when you went out,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: maybe might dictate a little bit of where you end up.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: But my opinion, I think, you know, I could come
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: back as a blade of grass, as a cat.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's I think it's a cyclical thing.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, i'd like to believe maybe it's again even
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: try to tie in time into that situation as hard,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: but it's like I would like to think there's maybe
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: more time spent out in the abyss before you come
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: back again.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I mean time.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you've had near death experience, looks like
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: on the show, do you.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like it'd be great that they
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: can experience that everybody had when they when they came back.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Obviously we don't seem to remember it though, do we.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: So I guess it doesn't. I don't fucking know.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Do you think like the institution's purposely kind of dumb
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: this down so we don't Yes, do you think we
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: come here for like a reason?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: That's a hard one I think about. Ah, I'm sure
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: there's something that set that in motion. I don't know
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: if it's a personal soul choice. Uh, if it's just
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: a cycle that happens almost like a science something with
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: energy and light, I don't know. It's hard to hard
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: to give it.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: The deep subject. Well, man, I definitely really appreciate you
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: taking the time out of your day to talk.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: No, no, thank you again. I'm sorry about the whole
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: time screw up ot worries.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: Shout Joe's gotta tail that says you're just flatten those
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: ships and sails talking Nott moon Landing or Holly Woods.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: Just a bunch of doctors had a government that.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: Tin ball HAPs and whiskey shots ain't no sever truth
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: forgot span those stories down the pile like co speces
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: keeping a sup ball night.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Hobby.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: Certain JFK was a scam. Magic bullets had a hidden
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: the hand wheres he saw the shooter on the grassy
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: Nold eastward from his lips ball rocking the road, Tin
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: ball HAPs and whiskey shots.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: Ain't no se truth fort spin those stories down the file.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: Light conspiracies, keep a sup ball night.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Out in the yard, talk.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: About nine or eleven j just fuel and steel beef, the big,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: the heaven Gotta buddy was sure.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: He wasn't inside jobs.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: USh your boys, don't join the mob.