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Eddie (Suzy) Izzard & Josh in London! · Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

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  Get a humans welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas and boy is this an entertaining
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  chat with one of the biggest British comedy stars in the world Eddie Isard who now goes
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  by Susie Eddie Isard has been doing major stand-up specials smash hits all over the globe
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  for more than 30 years on television they've starred in American television shows like
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  The Riches the United States of Tara Hannibal their film credits include Oceans 12 Oceans 13
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  Valkyrie they've won two Emmy awards for the stand-up special dress to kill and all sorts
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  of other incredible things in a very successful life like running 43 marathons in 51 days
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  and then 27 marathons in 27 days in South Africa in honor of Nelson Mandela raising money
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  for charity over a million pounds for charity in that case they've performed stand-up in a
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  variety of different languages in Arabic in French in German in Russian in Spanish as well as in
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  English there are labor party activists a long time labor supporter and actually stood for parliament
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  and ran for the London Meryl election and has ideas about the possibility of going back into
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  politics in the future as well their latest project a one-man adaptation of Hamlet which will be
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  touring Australia after extended runs in New York and Chicago and London I was recently in
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  London so I had the pleasure of sitting down with the one and only Susie Eddie Isard
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  What happened to your leg you came hobbling up here like a poor bonk to my leg now I
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  wanged my leg I really did wang any other synonyms
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  wang is good wang is good that's what I say for when when we get semi-buddhist in
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  in the developed world I think and instead of leaping on spiders and giving them a very hard
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  very swift death we do this thing of getting this is part of my set of getting getting cups I
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  go on that's right it's not great with them and I took it you're an Australian and you are coming
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  to our fine country again and we'll have to put up with in in a long in a very interesting thing
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  because I'm coming in May because we moved because of the knee I've had to move the the surreal
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  comment to you will come and see me and Sydney and now I'm coming to see you well that's great
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  that you've got to think just specifically only for you but then but then we're going to
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  Hamlet straight after it so yes so Australia energy will have this amazing thing of seeing me do
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  the two ends of my career I mean like Shakespeare I have gone from the comedies to the
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  dramas and the tragedies you're liking yourself to the Bard yeah why not okay sure now I'm just
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  following in his footsteps I'm not saying I'm up there with him because it's me and Joe Rogan
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  his poetry is great is comedy not so hot so it's not so crazy I was looking for something to see
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  on the west end while I was here and there was a mid-summer I dream I think and I was like not
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  going to happen not going to happen not your not not my bag baby not a Shakespearean comedy man
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  well it's it's got it's gone to a marvelous place and that's the thing we can discuss about but
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  my thing I was trying to say is that people can see surreal comedy and dramatic tragedy me do two
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  different things and I did this in one day in in Norwich a city of Norwich up in in the east of
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  our country and I did right at the end of Covid had a big tent and I did Dickens Charles Dickens
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  great expectations with the solo show I was doing before in the afternoon at three and then I did
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  surreal comedy at seven and there were both really beautiful shows and I suppose some of the audience
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  would have been the same in both maybe a third maybe a half of people bought tickets for both
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  and and I just thought this is a it's a wonderful place to get to I really I mean this is a thing for
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  you isn't it like the doing more well no it's about the marathons and the you know and the
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  top of the doing shows in different languages it's like I'm not just going to do two great shows
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  well I'm doing the same day okay one life live it well one life live it's live it well and strong
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  and positive and and so other kids who are LGBT class or we're born in Yemen or born anywhere like
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  like I was like you know just born for I can look say but that person they just look like because I
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  kind of look like a person you know certain people do look wow that is a good looking man woman
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  whatever you know LGBTQ person they wherever it is but it's when a beautiful place that even
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  though hellish things are happening in the world but most of us 99% of the world we look kind of
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  okay line you know and we can work on things and and so I just look like some person some get
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  but I worked with you know I need we get dealt the cards that we get dealt with
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  genetically and then you play those cards as well as you can in your life yeah and that's what I've
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  tried to do all the Yemeni children will come to the show well I've tried to you know raise money
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  ring marathons as we talked about last time and I can talk about a game but it and anything
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  doing trying to get it so that the Yemeni kids people in Yemen who have had a proxy war not even
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  their own war it seems but you know war being fun well certainly you know who's these are from
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  there but fighting being funded from I think you're in America and you know yeah it's yeah it's it's
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  just not and so the point is my point is money yeah raise my to try and help try and help the education
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  particularly education of kids there's one blind kid in the middle of the country and he was he was
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  he was you could there was BBC articles on you see him online if you go and check online and he
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  um he just kept things going in the bombed out hulk of the of the school where they'd been going
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  to and he kept things going is about 14 15 must be about 20 now but you know amazing and he was running
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  out he was he was he had somehow got it going kept it going and people were affected by his story
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  and it's that study saying we must help this kid and the kids that he's trying to help with
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  and it was just an enlightening story and you see these happen throughout the world they talk about
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  in world war to the special generation or world war one or any any wall particularly what we're
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  took is it was a war against racism and um but in fact there's always this every generation has
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  the positive group in in covid showed this people who are good become extra good amazingly good
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  but also people who are bad go amazingly bad amazingly worse than sell drugs so they're supposed
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  to help you with covid when didn't and do horrible things like that some people that the good
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  go get get better and the bad get worse like a moral pressure test yeah and that happens to put
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  you in the circumstances in which your true nature can come out yeah and I do think you know what
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  were two of these amazing to follow the the good examples of great people that did great things
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  but it's not a generational thing it's a it's a time when when crisis comes that's when we see
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  see the splits hmm get get larger they just push out towards the sides I mean how studying
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  human nature this is some people feel like the reason why we've missed a lot of opportunities in
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  the past generation or two is because things have been quite easy and so we haven't had the
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  opportunity for those crises to force people into bringing out the best in themselves that the
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  boomer generation was one that was able to sort of coast along was the end of history won the
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  Cold War hmm and I don't know I'm better didn't really have to sort of try and now we're all
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  so I'm not sure if I agree on that I have to check on that whatever we go up with during those
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  times and what we didn't come up with or the good and the bad stuff that came up with but for me
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  I'm trying to punch above my weight because if you do have if I flip back to that if you do have
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  it if you're pretty we have a classically aesthetically driven thing that says wow that is a very
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  attractive male or female face and person and so let's go watch them even if they're going I'm
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  now going to go to the phone book you're going well there's dreamy phone book stuff and so they
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  can they can get through and green light films and stuff like this and the rest of us are better
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  do something bloody interesting otherwise there's there's so many especially in the creative area
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  but in in loads of different areas as well it's just but say I say I take creative what I'm trying
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  to do is do things which you go oh wow that's interesting I'll maybe I'll lean in and find out
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  about that and but why do you say looks because you're not a bad looking person no no I'm no I'm not
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  but but compensate or something well no I'm talking about the fabulously looking people you know who
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  get things green light you know that thing and yes George and Brad who I have stood between
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  I got this little story that I got and I said Brad your one year what do you you were born
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  George you were I think George is born in 61 I was born in 62 and Brad's born in 63 and I said
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  look how about links in this one scene I have in this camera they treated me wonderfully well in
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  in that one what we were doing oh she's 12 all right yeah and and I was there and there's a bit
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  part and there's a camera part a camera is when you come in and you're you have a certain stature
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  I was just over you basically yeah I was just over the line I said I wasn't playing me I was just
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  playing a character who was a newer expert because there's an expert already in the 11 and I'm
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  just the expert expert who it comes up with the Fabrizet egg that was my thing I love that was a
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  hologram and and I was just standing there in between them so it's it's just flashes by and it's
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  great but they were just very decent people and they treated me very all of them treated me very well
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  so you were saying that when the the word wanging or something oh yeah spider thing is that there is
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  a thing as spiders because they can freak out certain people and I mean I'm not great on the
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  spider so it's kind of bam bam bam that's the end of that spider right or you say get a get a
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  cut there's a spider it's on the watch just on it wasn't doing on the wall defying gravity okay get
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  a cut and it can't be an opaque kind of coffee it's gonna be very clear I get a clear one because
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  you don't know what they're gonna plan once you cover it and and you cover it then get card card
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  card not totally oh no it's gonna be card and then you open the front door and you wang it into
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  next door's garden this is this is my thing yeah we just we just wang it away yeah and this word
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  wang I don't think really exists as a verb but I have made it I like that and it just has the idea
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  of you throwing it but then but then next door you find that they're wanging spiders in your direction
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  of course yeah it's a spider and that's why this is the rug that went off into my reverie of
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  standup I said that's why everyone nowadays has a barrenton racket next to the front door to
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  beat to the left to the right number 54 wang the spider's back which obviously isn't true but it's
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  it's a nice idea I found that in my standup comedy or maybe anyone's it's if you can have cut
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  because I come out of stuff which is quite surreal surreal stories and vignettes and if they're
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  almost on the edge of truth then people can go yes that's close enough yeah close enough that
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  could be true that some people have a barrenton record and a wang I'm sure I mean don't show
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  someone in Australia out of 25 million people has a bad mint and well because you got more of us
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  by the thing well yes exactly and it's nothing to do with government and it's nothing
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  in the history it's just it's just by this spider's all said let's go to Australia because I think
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  they evolved there I don't think they can I think the travel there they did not travel they were out of
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  somewhere they just said they went to very small time grind spider's IK what I did know is that you
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  have funnel webs yeah and and and and they're silly and New Zealanders have tunnel webs those are
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  yeah but they don't have poisonous spiders in New Zealand but I don't think their spiders are happy
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  go lucky no but I was watching Game of Thrones of the marvellous Peter Jackson going through
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  that they're just watching I'll just on the story and the way his approach was again Peter's
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  born just one you know about three months before me so I'm just checking people it's a weird
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  I get into this kind of stuff but he was saying that for the spider for she lob the spider that came
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  down okay he said I think it should be a tunnel web not a fun web but a tunnel and I thought
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  he said no this is a tunnel he said no this is a thing people didn't know these are the ones
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  which are in New Zealand I'm pretty sure that in New Zealand they don't have poisonous things it's
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  a little haven they've got don't have poisonous snakes anything no one does every humans are the only
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  danger I think they've only got and they've got like this very big problem because they've got all
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  these cute little innocent native animals who are being demolished and annihilated by the
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  introduced species so if you're an environmentalist in New Zealand my mom's a Kiwi so my uncle is
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  very big into this then your main sort of badge of honor is how bloodthirsty can you be towards
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  the invasive species in order to return New Zealand to its more pristine stage yeah check it
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  in real time I don't know where they're going but I know that like you know but they will set traps
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  bloodthirsty traps to entrap adorable but invasive species that might have their own native
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  adorable species we're looking on the phone right now so yeah venomous any poisonous venomous
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  venomous but either way yeah sure there's going to be but there'll be a venomous something that
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  may be spider are you said any of them poison yes true spider creatures in New
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  are you looking on Google or on yeah I'm just a chat GPT or something yeah not just
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  AMD I spoke to you so yes New Zealand has a few so you're right there there's venomous poisonous
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  creatures okay for somebody the rare catipose spider the toxic gray gray side guild sea slug that
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  sounds fun introduced introduced white tail tailed spiders introduced I introduced introduced white
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  test but they must have come with them on some important sort of captain cookie thing here some
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  spiders do some dangerous jellyfish and marine stingers like the scorpion fish no but the family
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  account and famously like snakes crocodiles and other highly venomous land animals come and
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  in Australia make sure you understand mildly corrected because I just looked up are any venomous
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  snakes in New Zealand I must have been thinking of that because chat GPT says no no land snakes
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  at all and no venomous land snakes in New Zealand no snakes and Australia has nine out of the 10
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  deadliest snakes in the world and native to Australia and are you happy about that I'm
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  I'm not proud of it and but you know how to deal because you've all got babb and tin rackets well
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  that's right I'm like I'm around have you heard of the next door just thinking of spiders do you know
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  the Australian phrase I'm not here to fuck spiders no I haven't heard that one is a good one
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  it means like do you drop it you drop it when as if to say I didn't come here for no reason right
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  like you know if you go into a I'm not here to fuck spiders yeah if you go into a bar and they say
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  you know do you want to have a drink you know I'm not here to fuck spiders of course I want to drink
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  you know right so but some people in case you go actually actually now you mentioned it
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  how small is my doing an experimental fuck is and that you may also be pleased to know that my
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  eight-year-old son right owns a snake okay so um but don't know how you feel about snakes but
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  poisons or nonpoisons nonpoisons of course okay it's a python yeah he's he's unfortunately
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  he's passed away but he did have a poisonous snake no you can have he's got a little arboreum or
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  whatever you call it with a little heat lamp I think I'm I don't think they have actually met one
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  to chat to but I think if I was told he was not but no actually there's a whole video of me um
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  seemingly being freaked out by snakes when I was running through South Africa okay and I was
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  out in the hogsback which they believe that J.R. Tolkien his aunt lived there in the mighty because
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  it's quite amazing countries of waterfalls and things and hogsback mountain that was very broken
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  out and broken up and and unusual and uh nils who was this wonderful guy and him and his partner had
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  mountain bike trails and they did these holidays and we stay with him when I was running my 27
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  maths 27 days and he said this this spot is so significant so he was he's this dreadlocked
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  very cool what uh guys saying this they also uh not those spiders but the snakes I think it was
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  snakes yeah it's snakes and I said snakes so I'm running I'm naked I'm running my out of the
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  about marathon 10 here and I'm going so I'm running I have to look have snakes when they hit
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  they don't hit the first person they hit the second person that's got to be me isn't it if you're
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  leading because I don't know where I'm going and and so I went on and on about the snakes because I
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  didn't have a bowler to the racket and I didn't know and he said he's it's it's quite watered
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  a bit the snakes there I thought there were and because they obviously they also learned to live
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  with it and thing and he says we don't have anti-venom either I'm sorry what's it oh did you
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  did you do your phone off after you uh looked up the facts about no this poison us fauna this is
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  the watch going ding okay I'll switch that on too many gadgets um so yeah and so up because my
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  thought was do I have to do the energy and the thing and get enough liquid in me enough energy
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  to do and I was going to do an extra bit of a matter I'm going to I'm at one and the third
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  marathon is that day so I wanted to do it on the flat level as much as possible so I was quite
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  money well you see you could do an up and downing marathon right and that but there's no point
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  because then the greatest marathon rise the world they run these flat marathons and get world
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  records yes obviously and I said how did I do a mountain one that's up at this great no thank you
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  I want to get a world red you're the miles decline so yes one that's actually flat is the best
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  that decline is not so good sliding climb is actually quite good yeah it's unusual with with
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  the long distance stuff so I was saying once I heard this I said can we just not do the big
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  up and down because it looks fun but it's it's killing me and did you say a snake no but I was
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  going on and on because I didn't want to have to also have my my snakey sense working to say
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  snake the left snake the right yeah I said do they do they come out do they only get you if
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  they step on them what what should I be doing to stay alive in this day no they'll chase you
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  because I had to spray myself with was that your son ever going to say it's a little bit
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  Welsh we have we have all kinds of stories that we tell foreigners as well about the about how
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  you know terrifying native animals will treat you like the snakes will yeah or that they'll be
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  that there's a drop there which is like a koala bear that has fangs and his blood thirsty and
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  drops out of trees all right latches on to your neck and attacks you doesn't exist oh but
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  it is something that you even make it up you've got we've got the biggest one and you've made
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  up some other one that's right yes we excel we excel I don't know if that is amazing or just annoying
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  so I think it's bit of a one-man show of Hamlet yes one person show one person show of Hamlet
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  sorry and so this already came you mentioned that you already did the one person show of of
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  great expectations great expectations and is this does this come out of the same part of your brain
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  that goes why don't I do something outrageous and when it comes out of my thing of being severely
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  atypically dyslexic okay so half the dyslexic looks I have full on and a half I do not have you if
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  you heard of the game doppel I think it is where you got you got images you but my brother plays it a
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  lot and I can't it's basically it's cards with different images on and if that images comes up twice
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  it's a bit like snap you go that that image the sun image the sun image and I can't when we're
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  playing it in the group is when we're on tour or my brother comes to the sun tour because we're
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  doing languages he's the language expert and and and they'll say star shape a crescent shape and I
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  can't get the image into my brain and out of my mouth at speed right I go I saw I say that one yes
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  that one that one I could say that one but I can't actually do it so so certain things in dyslexic
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  I have when I used to read it was a big long word an unusual name I would go flubber I'd read
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  that's how I'd read and I'd sub vocalize in my head and I'm so my reading speed is slow means
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  when I learn it it's kind of led to my stand-up being quite a lot improvised that goes into the
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  development of my stand-up that's a boon in a way because I'm less say oh the page to page to page
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  I'm saying no the brain the brain to the mouth that's what I've really worked on can you
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  took like like we're talking now and we're not thinking what is my next line I'm going to say
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  which you know when when cameras go in politics people get very specific on you know Obama great
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  president but and his speeches when he was speechifying and when he was having to talk policy
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  or ideas in the moment he slowed right down to make sure he didn't misspeak which certain
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  other presidents have not cared about since then but I I wondered why it was so slow I realized
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  he's actually making sure he doesn't misspeak yes I mean it's one reason why it's quite annoying
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  in my profession to talk to politicians or other people who have the extremely cautious about what
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  they say because it's difficult to have a bent the kind of banter in conversation that we have now
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  which is anyway because they're always when I become an MP this yeah you have to press
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  a press secretary in your head that's censoring everything well there's also try to be your own
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  press secretary this is the point of trying to formulate the computer of your brain into a way
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  that that's like this is uncomfortable yeah uncomfortable conversations so and I believe last
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  time you said we're going to sit on the couch now and not ask any uncomfortable things but I need
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  to be ready for uncomfortable conversations because that's where I want to go to and you know
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  now more than ever I think as a radical moderate radical person who does moderate things I need
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  to be in politics and anyone out there needs to be in politics as well because if you care about
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  hey let's take the whole world forward eight billion people need to have a fair chance in life
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  that's my world vision so that's why hamlet that's why yeah so I'm speaking about hamlet I got
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  blocked from or at school I wanted to act I couldn't act I wasn't I wasn't doing any auditions
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  any good no one was giving me any roles I they they read it in class I thought hey we get to do
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  acting in class and I couldn't get it out of my mouth very good and when I did auditions they'd
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  give you the piece of paper and I I'd go so my lord we are and they thought he's terrible but I just
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  couldn't get it out my mind yeah so I was intimidated by Shakespeare and the Elizabethan
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  verse as a lot of kids are Australian kids British kids any kids any English speaking kids yeah
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  um and then I got up to a place where I was pushing my dramatic acting separate to my surreal comedy
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  actor got separate agents which is a very unusual thing to have I don't know anyone else was doing
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  it this way and some people do start and comedy they move over to drama and they stay there um but
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  I'm keeping both going at the same time which is an unusual thing to do but but no one was putting
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  me at the top of the list to make it to build a Shakespearean role around so I put myself at the
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  top of my list always a good solution yeah I have been forced into this position of um of make it
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  up as you go not make it well make it up as you go on but but invent things if they're not
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  they invent a way of doing it performing a different languages that wasn't happening I just
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  thought that was a positive message to send out yeah running mountains to raise money that's a
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  good thing I wanted to be in special forces when I was a kid I didn't do that um in the end I
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  thought they could send me to a war that I don't particularly want to fight and that you can't
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  do that if you're in the forces and so in the end I've become civilian special forces doing
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  things in my own way coming out of strands in 85 because somebody said oh you came out last year
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  that's when I started telling people and um so being ready to fight people in the streets or
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  shout when they shout at me I shout back at them I that was my own personal battle that's my
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  that's the thing I've been fighting for to just be in a space where I say I'm here I'm existing
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  and how are you today you know living let live let's let's go forward on the on your point just
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  as a quick aside about dyslexia being one reason why your comedy is so uh improvised how much is
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  it's obvious that you don't just write a show and then learn it verbatim right yes when I like
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  I saw wunderbar in Sydney yeah and uh I was talking to a friend of mine outside who was saying like
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  I wonder how many of those sort of looping aside that are that seems like I really really what yeah
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  and I was like they're not improvised I mean because they're two they're too good in a way like
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  there are there are all these um well you never know your comedy there are tangential
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  assigns that will go off on a on a quite a large loop and then bring you back there is a recording
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  of one shot I think it's circle where I talk about um the animals you know like lasty the the dog
• 23:57
  and the thing and I talked about sharky the friendly shark that was all I'd live that night right um
• 24:01
  and so it depends if the cameras are on I could I'd live a chunk of stuff of that night but I did
• 24:06
  play Lenny Bruce at one point and then and I was got access to things from the family and he said
• 24:11
  only 5% of my stuff is really improvised of a show generally I know he got into talking about the
• 24:16
  court cases and that would be an all improvised but wasn't very funny but generally it was 5% and
• 24:19
  that's really what mine is it's about 5% other people have done more I know people have done
• 24:24
  Tommy Tinen Irish comedian has done entire shows improvised yes but it was but it's also
• 24:29
  point of the show sort of you almost go to yeah I want to give the audience something good and when
• 24:34
  I'm developing my new shows the working progress shows um I will be trying to improvise and see
• 24:38
  where I can get to but I have some backup stuff so that they can yes it's a cheaper ticket price
• 24:42
  but they least get something at the end of the show this yeah yeah and I think people I think
• 24:46
  audiences know that if they're coming to see you work something out then that's different than
• 24:49
  if they're coming to one up to a tour yeah where you've because the remix tour is now the which
• 24:54
  will happen in May in Australia is is is is the best of I can pick and choose I can cherry
• 24:59
  picture my career just like a band does all the time every band that's touring is out there yes
• 25:03
  that's all we're going I'm going to is that place of saying and this is for the old days and then
• 25:07
  I I augment things I I go into the Death Star canteen I talk about with the idea that there was
• 25:13
  a some cafe cafeteria canteen in the Death Star we're after blowing up older on with his big
• 25:21
  gun thing and he must have gone I will go and celebrate down with the troops they'll be in the
• 25:25
  canteen now and then just I'll have Penny out of this thing and it's it's a known thing but the
• 25:30
  night that they recorded it was just the night that it was being recorded so what I was saying
• 25:34
  that night was the one that turned out like some people are improvising Jimmy Page or I met Jimmy
• 25:39
  Page and Soho just accidentally and I believe his improvisations the the one that he would have
• 25:45
  recorded on the tracks would would be what he wanted to do but each night he would do a different
• 25:49
  improvisation yeah right to keep it alive for him so and so Death Star canteen was whatever I
• 25:54
  called there but now if you see it when I come coming in in in May now that the tour has been
• 25:59
  moved over in Australia it'll be parts some of the jokes from the old which I like and some
• 26:04
  which don't like definitely Demoria gets into it definitely Demoria definitely Demoria gets into it
• 26:09
  and what's the Demoria gag I can't I think they need to come and say it's not it's not a hugely
• 26:14
  funny one it's just discursive and out because it's it's part of the I'm your boss you're Mr. Stevens
• 26:21
  which is this thing because at one point Darth Vader says you've got to bow down to me I do you
• 26:27
  know who I am I'm your boss you're Mr. Stevens I've got who's Mr. Steve head of catering I'm
• 26:32
  kind of catering I'm his boss and then I put in Mr. Rodriguez there's a there's someone who runs
• 26:37
  the gift shop in the I can't like the idea of gift shop in yes yes on the death on the death stuff
• 26:43
  anyway so that's why hamlet and it's verbatim or I really didn't even pick up with that
• 26:48
  is it you know just but hamlet if you do if you come from comedy you're not supposed to go to
• 26:52
  drama but I was pushing I was doing both of these things the bottom line of dramas to be truthful
• 26:57
  the bottom line of comedy is to be funny you can actually break character and make a situation
• 27:03
  make characters in your story that do things that they shouldn't actually do and if it hits funny
• 27:08
  that works but in drama bottom line is to be truthful so even if it isn't hugely smashing out
• 27:14
  of the screen the play and the thing off the stage if you're true to that character doing what
• 27:18
  that character we're doing the choices that you make with that character in that play or in that
• 27:22
  then that's what you're looking for to be real to think that audience to feel that person is up
• 27:27
  there and and I'm playing multiple characters here so I'm playing multiple characters has a lot
• 27:31
  of people are doing that so it you know playing doing solo shows but I'm just doing it with hamlets
• 27:38
  and not everybody gets it but I get it and a lot of people get it and so it's a beautiful place
• 27:45
  you can go to because you can really concentrate on the words and and the stories as opposed to
• 27:49
  saying oh what are they wearing what are they wearing what are they yeah look at us to be
• 27:52
  not oh god that that's a strange effect it isn't it's their imaginations plus me it's like
• 27:56
  it's like a radio play yeah yeah yeah um but and you have to have bring 30 percent of your
• 28:02
  imagination to any theater theatrical show and then it's maybe 35 percent with me it is interesting
• 28:07
  isn't it the like one way that modern a lot of modern theater companies have gotten around the
• 28:12
  resistance that they feel the public has to Shakespeare being like sort of on it's a bit like
• 28:16
  gone to school isn't it doing you know the Shakespeare is that I'm trying to put a lot of well
• 28:19
  with with bangery into it so like oh you know let's reinvent let's reimagine
• 28:24
  layer and let's let's make it you know I've got the other way yeah you've got the exact other
• 28:27
  it's nothing stripped it down well down to what it has um when when he was doing it in the 1600
• 28:34
  they didn't have any lighting effects that's all it was a machine to it no smoke machine to let
• 28:40
  the building was on fire but they did one of the did burn down so there was a bit of a smoke machine
• 28:43
  happening that day but the whole place where I think it was the rose theater burned out but um
• 28:49
  they were doing that you could bang and crash things say oh that's thunder that's like that's it
• 28:53
  yeah um but it was it was the words and the imagination of the audience and then watching and a lot
• 28:59
  of them standing the groundlings were standing as we know from the the globeteers and brings like a
• 29:02
  pain in the ass I wouldn't understand well you know people do it rock and roll gigs that's true and
• 29:06
  in comedy gigs they don't but then I played down at the Eden Center down in in in Cornwall and that's
• 29:12
  a huge standing venue and about a thousand people stood there and quite happy to watch so it's
• 29:17
  unusual they count they will stand for comedy or some people just sit down on the ground and it's
• 29:23
  it's not quite what you think it is but in rock and roll you know maybe as people get all of the
• 29:27
  I'd like to sit and watch my rock and roll but in fact no standing and watch everyone you gotta stand
• 29:31
  you gotta stand and why is that that's because it's something linked to a vibrancy of it's a
• 29:36
  field gig music is a field gig and comedy is a mind gig there are no stupid comedians there could
• 29:41
  be community these stuff that you don't like or could be very right wing or whatever but there's
• 29:45
  no one with a bad brain with a brain that doesn't come out you've got to be we we I think the
• 29:51
  ticket price is the idea that this person on the stage will move ideas around quicker than we
• 29:56
  thought I know with it oh no that's good that's fun that's I like the angle you're going on
• 30:00
  because that's it we're trying to wrong foot things and go places they they weren't expecting
• 30:05
  it's a mind gig compared to a field gig yes that's interesting so you can stand for comedy or
• 30:11
  you can you get some people do because of this but generally people want to sit yeah yeah I mean
• 30:16
  it would be a dancing you know you're not dancing and it's also not like you there is something
• 30:20
  about a rock concert that makes you feel like you're not just you like there's a there's a
• 30:24
  hive mind which is why I paused because you can also get that in comedy where the audience becomes
• 30:29
  a kind of an almost single yeah mental unit yeah you know which I'm sure you can feel from the
• 30:34
  stage but even when you're in the audience you can sort of feel we're all here doing this thing
• 30:37
  and that's what you have at a rock concert we are I am part of this yeah I think and you could do
• 30:42
  it in in hamlet when I'm out there in hamlets the the thickness of the silence is what I'm driving
• 30:48
  for there's the the the the thickness of the laughter in in comedy but the thickness of the
• 30:55
  silence when you get it so that pins would be embarrassed to drop and I can I can do that because
• 31:01
  I have done a lot of stage time in drama now as well as in comedy and and I have a confidence
• 31:08
  that I haven't asked for a line on stage since three performances before the the premier in New York
• 31:15
  so I don't ask that there's no one on the book if I come off the lines as it sometimes happens I
• 31:20
  will just choose words pull words down from my brain and get myself back on the lines I know the
• 31:26
  journey I know where each character is going I know the arts where they are in that they're
• 31:30
  development up through the the piece and you have faith that you can find your way back if you draw
• 31:35
  and the way you have faith is by having faith and if you have if you do not have faith for one split
• 31:39
  second you will lose it all because Olivia towards the end he got stage fright due to
• 31:43
  worrying about you losing the words and there's 13 and a half thousand of them and I'm just not
• 31:48
  thinking about that I do have to break but if I stop doing it for a while I have to run it
• 31:51
  the night before just to make sure that they're all there and occasionally there'll be one brick
• 31:56
  in the wall that isn't there and you go what is that word yeah and then you have to come up with
• 32:03
  another one that's similar to get to the other words that are beyond that little little brook
• 32:08
  little things to jump over it and then you can get back on to the next idea we're back on the
• 32:12
  line but if I ever think that I'm going to fail I think failure lies there so you just cannot
• 32:17
  think about it yeah it's like a panic attack isn't it it's a self fulfilling prophecy or
• 32:20
  exactly yeah exactly attack yeah because panic is more yes oh I got about headless chicken
• 32:25
  stuff and most of us do more anxiety think about driving if you ever thought when you're driving
• 32:30
  oh my god I can't do is oh my god I'm going to hit something then it would all become and not
• 32:34
  not having but you can have a three hour conversation yes I know surely you said that the other day
• 32:38
  I mean you can be walking along the street and think how am I walking again yeah where should my
• 32:42
  foot be going yeah you start walking like a John like John Clees in a sketch interesting how the
• 32:47
  mind works but I want to push the boundaries of that dramatically or comedically and then performing
• 32:53
  in different languages they say well they said you couldn't be done because the friends have this
• 32:56
  type of human the Germans don't have as you know it's all of it's not true or on that their humor
• 33:01
  is basically there's an alternative sense of humor and a more mainstream sense of humor in every
• 33:05
  country if you are an alternative comedian try and link up with that kind of audience and if you're
• 33:09
  a mainstream comedian link up with Adonis but it'd be harder for the mainstreamers to go around
• 33:14
  because they'd be talking about TV stars programs on television sports stars
• 33:20
  right they'll be on national politicians it's the references that try to be about that's the
• 33:24
  thing that word that the references we have a thing called the Curly Wurley in Britain that
• 33:28
  oh you have Tim Tam okay let's do Tim Tam's so you have Tim Tam's job penguin biscuits yeah
• 33:33
  so I say we also have a lot of American listeners so I'm just wondering if they know what Tim
• 33:36
  I think so okay for American this does I say like a Hershey's bar if you talk about Hershey's bar
• 33:42
  which I thought was a Hershey bar but it's a Hershey's bar and if you talk about that and so I
• 33:47
  threw a Hershey's bar at them in around the world kids American comedians when you're traveling
• 33:52
  that's not gonna work but if you say Kit Kat that's pretty universal and you can throw a Kit
• 33:56
  Kat at someone yeah why you're not eating them I'm not sure so Mars Bosch works we had we had
• 34:02
  marathon bars instead of Snickers for a long time and then they said no let's just get the brand
• 34:06
  Snickers in English English I'm not sure Australian English but it's Snickers yeah yeah
• 34:11
  but I don't know where someone said we want to sell this through to the UK thing
• 34:16
  Snickers is not gonna work you got to call it a marathon bar we just we got Snickers
• 34:20
  and also the word so we have well I think somebody said look it's working on it's working
• 34:26
  but come on let's just get it all save on the printing so comedy works but those references
• 34:32
  thing is interesting because you're so much of your comedy relies on bucking norms so a lot of
• 34:38
  your you know style is like here is the way that we think about this thing and now I'm gonna go
• 34:43
  off into this other terrain right and snap you around you go I never thought of it like that
• 34:48
  like Cuban sacrifice yeah that was that was that was one of my that's right that was yeah it's
• 34:54
  all who said the weather is bad you know a guy with a big hat on a bone to his nose said the
• 34:58
  weather is bad the crops have failed the gods obviously haters so we're gonna kill Steve
• 35:02
  and people said fine that sounds like a plan and will that help with the with the crops next
• 35:08
  year I believe that can we see the figures on that figures are haze at the moment we're still
• 35:12
  working on the figures and on the figures um you know but obviously it was a nonsense and it was
• 35:16
  political control that was happening there but you talk about that in front say sacrifice huma
• 35:20
  giski spas la la avic keken adi okay Claude Steve Claude I use Steve as my standard person
• 35:26
  so I make it Steve Claude or uh Steve Steve Jürgen in Germany um so it's just that travels all
• 35:33
  around the world but if you're talking about um something that's like a brand name or some sort
• 35:37
  of thing then you get stuck there sex all around the world this right thing supermarkets housing
• 35:43
  prices haircuts um other taboos and norms not different because I mean you hear a lot of
• 35:48
  comedians say you know Americans don't get this style of that right so even without going into
• 35:53
  a different language I mean you know this particular culture of his really uptight about this
• 35:56
  thing I never know it's it's if you're an alternative audience it's my audience just had to find me
• 36:01
  I mean I went through all 50 states in America so I've played Alabama and um and I've played uh
• 36:07
  Mississippi and which would be the outliers that you think well they probably not going to swing
• 36:12
  with your stuff but the people came along saying are you playing Alabama you know I'll come along and
• 36:16
  as someone who was um more of a right-wing uh frame of mind might not say might say I don't
• 36:23
  think I will go to that show I think I won't go to because I don't think that that transverse
• 36:27
  in there with the interesting while the Python S sense of humor is going to be my cup of tea
• 36:32
  so it sort of it pleases itself out along with it yes I suppose at some point you could get people
• 36:37
  complaining and I have had some you know people say how dare you talk about happiness and joy
• 36:43
  and stuff and having dinosaurs you know I tell about you know the dinosaurs in 180 million years
• 36:49
  of development if there is a god why did he give them 180 million years and they they flat-lined
• 36:54
  on development they started and they ended up they didn't there was nothing there was no end
• 36:58
  bit where there was and there was a lot of poetry from dinosaurs in the last 10 years before they got
• 37:04
  hit by the big rock there was no poetry the poetry no singing no banjo playing no development of
• 37:10
  then they were very good at open hearts surgery by then no nada and then we get two million years
• 37:16
  and we're up and running and we've got some wonderful good things we're doing and some
• 37:19
  hellish bad things we're also doing so and do religious people get upset about this or I don't
• 37:23
  know what they say do it doesn't come to my thing because you know I believe in I'm a spiritual
• 37:30
  atheist I don't believe in a bloke upstairs I believe in us I believe there's more good will
• 37:33
  than ill will out there even people with religion or without religion that hopefully they if they
• 37:38
  use the golden rule from religion treat other people as you like to be treated yourself that is
• 37:42
  in all the major religions so if you hold on to that one and drop away all the other stuff we
• 37:46
  will have peace tomorrow well people like rigid things don't they they like certainty and they like
• 37:52
  particular it's like certainty yeah they like to know that things are the way that treat other people
• 37:57
  you like to be treated yourself it's fine but yes you know from Christianity that wasn't there
• 38:01
  until and for constant he said oh let's get it in there I had a dream last night with a big
• 38:06
  ex in it and it was it was it a big cross-shaped thing no it was an ex there's actually an
• 38:10
  ex-shaped thing so to constant time dream a different shape cross to the cross that's of people
• 38:17
  getting is that right yeah I believe so I believe it's an ex-shaped it's so we're doing wrong
• 38:21
  well no it's just that he said there because Christianity was there but the trouble with Christians
• 38:25
  is they said there's one god only and they and because they said you can oh what do you believe it
• 38:30
  oh you believe in this religion that fine fine as long as you say that the emperor is a god
• 38:33
  we're cool with that and they said no he isn't a god that's where they got right that's why
• 38:37
  all ended up in a hellish way for them until the point we said okay now we're all Christians
• 38:41
  and so he he that people saw strength in the fact that early Christian people were saying I will
• 38:47
  martyr myself for this belief and and then it and it was this big get together where they all
• 38:54
  tried to decide what but you know about about 400 AD 40 and 10 someone up somewhere on the
• 38:59
  now that's actually the end of the Roman Empire so I must do about 300 200 and they all decided
• 39:05
  what parts of this Christian religion which has gone off in different directions should be actually
• 39:09
  believe the real one yeah yeah the it's yeah it's what the phrase that they use for it is
• 39:16
  walked out of my head at them and people can look it up right now yes but it's but I see
• 39:20
  like the thing anyway it was a big get together where they did that and the second one they did
• 39:24
  of those was in the 60s where you know because the idea that the Pope doesn't it's infallible that
• 39:30
  came up in the 1800s yes right that's a very late right entrance to right the way he keeps making
• 39:34
  mistakes what stories are infallible okay that was sort of they're not mistakes and they look like
• 39:39
  mistakes but in fact we've read I'm a rectal actively putting that in as well yeah so I can work
• 39:44
  with religious people if they believe in trying to help people they're the community that that's
• 39:48
  where I link up but I'm not I'm a spiritual person I just don't believe in a floaty guy upstairs
• 39:52
  why do you think so many people do um consistency from before um there are things out there how
• 39:59
  you know is the start of the universe and the universe and I feel the universe is there's so many
• 40:04
  circles in there are so many curved shapes in the universe that I think it just it just goes on
• 40:09
  and goes round there's no let me actually no I let me change the question the I think a lot of
• 40:14
  people feel like the universe is so incredible that we might as well believe that it has a creative
• 40:19
  because yeah well that's true too but I'm just surprised from the perspective of an atheist
• 40:27
  spiritual atheist as you say like yourself why so many people still think that the existence of
• 40:32
  some creator requires that they believe in all of the other stuff that is in the book that was
• 40:36
  written I think most people don't know I think there's a lot of you know soft religious religious
• 40:42
  religion soft people as opposed you know we're not saying they're just saying yeah I'll do the
• 40:48
  thing or I'll go to a thing on a Sunday I mean in America it's part you know God bless America you
• 40:52
  would not say that in Australia I don't believe you would say in Britain I mean you wouldn't say
• 40:55
  that in America in the 1940s you know that was introduced during McCarthyism as an anti-communist
• 41:01
  thing it's actually not an old thing it was a that was a introducing God in the Pledge of
• 41:07
  Allegiance and putting on banknotes and stuff was part of the red scale yeah where they tried to
• 41:12
  put it be an opposition to Godless comedians Jefferson was was not a religious yeah sort of you know
• 41:18
  yeah sort of deists who kind of you know quite didn't Jefferson write an entire version of the
• 41:23
  Bible with all the references to God and all the magic take taking that yeah because he wasn't
• 41:26
  into God because if you if you take out God from the whole history of the universe it starts to make
• 41:31
  sense yeah that things have happened and we had dinosaurs 180 million years because we had
• 41:35
  dinosaurs for 180 million years because the amount of oxygen in the earth and things could go
• 41:39
  really large and whatever that's how that happened not because it was a plan because if you take
• 41:43
  it into a God like sentient plan of I think I'll have huge monsters with tiny brains good idea God
• 41:49
  and well they have Sunday school meetings no so religion will they worship you not much what are
• 41:55
  they gonna do they're gonna go are they're gonna sound like pirates mainly so you know and that's
• 41:59
  it doesn't hang together what about the God who just sets things off and is a sort of experimental
• 42:05
  God maybe even is a computer program in some vast you know otherworldly dimension in which we
• 42:11
  have virtual players or something we're like the whole you know they get the whole thing going
• 42:15
  right with some otherworldly supernatural and you can be that if you want but I'm not going with that
• 42:21
  I just think it's there and it's going round and everything circles all the planets are circular
• 42:26
  all the orbits are circular all the things are circular I don't know why time isn't circular just
• 42:29
  just going on the idea that ever expanding universe I push back on that and I just think
• 42:34
  that it's it's the universe goes all the way around the back that if you
• 42:39
  and you will look at the way around the back in the sense like like the like you laughed exactly
• 42:43
  like someone from the 1600s by the last when they say this planet goes all the way around the back
• 42:47
  right right now it's like that we know the country that is literally if you think about this
• 42:53
  any point on the earth if we take about the fact it's not perfectly spherical because it's
• 42:57
  being around but if you take that anyone on the earth is the center of the earth yes if you go
• 43:01
  off in that direction that you come back in the same place yeah so that's the thing that's what I
• 43:04
  think happens up in in the universe there is a I do remember theory about this in philosophy where
• 43:09
  I was saying I think that the universe is not infinite but it is unbounded this is an idea this
• 43:15
  is not a scientific to find that any better because my money just it's curved it's yeah yeah
• 43:20
  but also they say it's it's like I think there's no big bang there's no big crunch but things do
• 43:24
  crunch back and pull out you know that like with the with the plates on the earth the tectonic
• 43:27
  thing the guy came up with tectonic plates German guy weather scientists meteorological meteorological
• 43:34
  mess and yeah and he said I got this idea and he said you're you're you're rocks guy he says no
• 43:40
  I'm a I'm a sky guy the sky guy we're dealing with the rocks here I don't know this guy
• 43:45
  but I have this idea I know I'm German I'm very methodical on this not all Germans are
• 43:49
  methodical that's just the thing you're gonna break up at some point okay okay but anyway he said
• 43:53
  it and he said it and he died and and it was not proven and then he said that German guy
• 43:58
  with the tectonic plates it's it's happening turned out to be right turn out to be right and if
• 44:02
  you look at the plates you know they're coming to pan cheer it's oh sorry I keep knocking the
• 44:05
  microphone it's spun all the way around it comes together then it spits apart then it comes
• 44:09
  around together and I think that might be what the big bang is in microcosm that's everything is
• 44:17
  around and the universe and then it comes back comes and then it's a massive big bang and it all
• 44:21
  goes shoots out again and time sort of resets and goes again it just goes on and on and on and on
• 44:27
  on I mean that's entirely possible I don't think it's gonna satisfy the the theologian the theologian
• 44:32
  oh no theologians will lie we know even if that were true okay what is the meaning of life this
• 44:36
  is my theory on this why is the universe you're in a meeting of life in place okay don't talk
• 44:41
  over what is the meaning I don't think there is a meaning to life but some of us put meaning
• 44:45
  into life and some others take meaning out of life that's how I think you should look at it
• 44:49
  that some of people say hey look can we can we help can we try and do something better can we
• 44:52
  invent something that will help people go forwards yeah that's putting meaning into life and other
• 44:55
  people certain politicians that are taking meaning out of life and just saying I can I mass more
• 45:01
  money can I do this can I die on a big pile of money in some sort of crazy way that's taking
• 45:06
  meaning out of life but I don't think there is a meaning to life and I think ants would agree
• 45:12
  with me and other animals who just well you know and and quite a bit of whatever and you know
• 45:16
  because they get they go through life and they I don't think they're any dogs no I don't yes I
• 45:20
  don't what is wrong I don't think many theologians think that ants have reached the height of
• 45:25
  the logical situation or qualabers or giraffe so anything I go drop is drop is drop with their
• 45:31
  hands this is your come out of Europe this is straight and this is your invention or Australian
• 45:34
  question legendary Australian myth they got it you got to push hard on it because I don't even know
• 45:39
  about drop it like it's only it's only when people arrive the retails again but all but
• 45:43
  and and and and do they have music you know for the good thing is that you well you don't want to
• 45:47
  tell people about it too overtly you want to be overheard talking about it amongst the Australians
• 45:51
  and then you know when Israel comes over you know we talk about you go oh nothing nothing
• 45:56
  sounded like you were talking about some kind of danger or hazard in the in the outback no no no
• 46:00
  it's nothing you have to worry yourself about then you just just drop enough hints that I like
• 46:04
  drop it I would do some research into these drop there's in terms of politics you mentioned
• 46:11
  your forays and politics the greedy money rubbing people who we're going to assume we're
• 46:15
  referring to the Trump president Trump um what about anyone else or anyone else who happens to be
• 46:22
  occupied right now um what about people who do you think that they're contributing and are also
• 46:29
  probably you're not fans of because they might be avaricious as well I'm thinking like Elon Musk
• 46:35
  right people like there is a sort of burgeoning class of galaxy brained uber mention who are like
• 46:44
  they are producing a lot of things testlers and space rockets and all this sort of stuff and think
• 46:48
  probably they possibly are being a bit nicer to the world you know to the average person I think
• 46:53
  I've got the genetic cards I've been given with have helped me get to this place so I could sort
• 46:57
  of put something back I mean they probably think that like the great industrial industrialists
• 47:02
  of hold they the greatest gift that they can give is invent lots of things and get them into the hands
• 47:06
  of lots of people that make those people's lives better yeah but they're at whole attitude they
• 47:12
  tend to be part of they've right-wing parties so that kind of implies they're not there's other
• 47:17
  other people with a lot of money who are doing fantastic things and um but I guess what I'm
• 47:21
  asking is is donating money basically the yardstick by which we judge a person no no no no because
• 47:27
  some people don't have money I mean you were talking about super rich person yeah yeah like I mean
• 47:31
  is it like you have to be Bill Gates and being like I'm giving it all away because aren't there
• 47:35
  can't you be a greedy creative person who ends up doing good yeah I'm just I'm looking for that
• 47:44
  list read me that list out and and I was a yes that's a point that's a point I don't know
• 47:50
  Thomas Edison now he was a thief in that yeah but I mean didn't it wasn't it wasn't here net good
• 47:57
  yeah I don't know Edison I don't I don't when I saw Tom Hanks talking about from the
• 48:01
  Earth of the Moon and the final episode he's talking about the the inventor and thief Thomas
• 48:06
  Edison and and because he stole all the people's ideas and stuff and and I think when
• 48:13
  um one of the first French guys came up with the with the moving camera and when that came
• 48:17
  over to America they they nicked the camera something in the e came up with his own version of it
• 48:22
  by copying that version so you know that's why a thief can be attributed to him but yeah it's
• 48:28
  it's it's not great but there's a lot of people just doing great things out there I don't know I don't
• 48:32
  know how I need to see lists of things because then you can all get very general but well all right
• 48:37
  what do you make more generally of the particular political moment that we're living in because it
• 48:42
  seems like I guess I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of people who think well of course
• 48:47
  a couple of lefties who are sitting down talking about how you know important it is to save the
• 48:51
  world think that they're on the virtuous side because you know they're bleeding hearters who think
• 48:56
  that they're always on the right side of history but actually there's a movement of the people
• 49:01
  who are also rising up in populist movements all over the world and trying to seize back control
• 49:07
  from then uh well people are populist they they tend to have a minority vote so it's the
• 49:14
  unpopular list of anything or the when the next election in England well okay the simplistic vote
• 49:20
  is if you see it in France when the extreme right wing gets together and then all the other
• 49:24
  sides come together the thing is as you go over to more more send a center left thing it parties
• 49:29
  split up into a number of different directions but it's acting to be on the right as well and there's
• 49:33
  the right flying the extreme right in the far right and uh so it's unusual in that way but you
• 49:38
  know if you have if you have the there's going to be overlap in ideology and policy and and care
• 49:43
  of your average human being on the center and center left so when if if it looks like an extreme
• 49:50
  right is getting in as you've seen in France it happened a number of times then everyone sort of
• 49:53
  pulls together and votes against that because the vast majority of the world wants to live in that
• 49:57
  live uh I do firmly believe that and there's simplistic politicians as opposed to the populist
• 50:02
  please don't call them populist because it implies and people casually seeing that they're popular
• 50:06
  but they're only popular to that those people but yes it's the simplistic it's mean it's a
• 50:11
  no but it's a journalistic thing that is that has got stuck and I just don't think it's the great
• 50:16
  term I just think the simplistic ones you say hate these people and everything will be fine no
• 50:20
  I don't think I hate these people no but you can be a left-wing populist I think I mean I
• 50:23
  would say that Bernie Sanders is a is a populist as well I just use the term to mean a person who
• 50:29
  who pedals probably overly simplistic big vision stuff that appeals to people's baser
• 50:36
  sort of guardianship I don't know if anybody's gonna put any sadness can be put in that thing though
• 50:39
  but I mean you could have someone like Stalin going down that but it's that if you go really extreme
• 50:45
  then then it can match up because the really extreme side if you talk about the Nazis and the
• 50:50
  the Soviet non-aggression pact yeah they said that they said you take this part of the country
• 50:54
  of Poland and you take this part of the country and we'll kill the people we don't like you kill
• 50:57
  the people you don't they were doing sort of similar things and and that was um that was this
• 51:06
  hellishness of where Stalin had got to if you look at what Stalin wasn't what what Hitler was
• 51:09
  Yes even the Stalin was on our side the horseshoe theory where like the both sides are actually not
• 51:14
  that far apart yeah when it comes back to it's supposed to be all about the people but it's
• 51:18
  actually about the one individual and then I guess what I'm getting at is I don't quite know where
• 51:23
  we are anymore when we talk about the people and like popularity and populism and things like
• 51:28
  because I've never felt more destabilized in terms of what the Vox popular is because when you say
• 51:35
  the people I mean Nigel Farage is always talking about the people right now you know the little
• 51:39
  people the forgotten people you know Trump is always on about you know the well if you split it down
• 51:44
  as far as you can we could we could head further and further back down you know into back into
• 51:48
  tribes why don't we go into tribes in the United Kingdom you know going to mercy here in the west
• 51:53
  section the south section the north section we can split all the way back if you want but the idea
• 51:58
  of coming together idea of European Union was to try and say let's not do these endless murders
• 52:03
  that we do because it was one person who whipped people up in the idea of Germany can do it and
• 52:08
  Germany Germany first as opposed to other countries first number one number one the one we are
• 52:13
  the best in the world which appeals to a number of people whose lives they don't don't feel they're
• 52:16
  in a great place in their life and so they get whipped up by this idea of yes I am right
• 52:22
  because I just exist and these other people they should be less they should be held back they
• 52:26
  should be pushed back but in the end it's got to be everyone in the world has a fair chance in
• 52:30
  life that's the only future that's going to work but isn't the concern at the moment I mean
• 52:34
  isn't the reason why like you know Farage could well be the next prime minister of the United Kingdom
• 52:41
  that could well be no you don't think so no I think that could well be any of the
• 52:45
  conservatives in the yeah but it's two years I mean three years I'm just saying that often
• 52:50
  happens that has gone from the rivers of blood we can see the power rivers of blood yeah not
• 52:55
  power rivers of blood yeah there's going to be a rose blood there wasn't rivers of blood and
• 52:58
  but he whipped it out and he got he got voted back in I was listening to Michael Palin's
• 53:02
  diaries and you know pal got voted in with a bigger majority than before in a certain election when
• 53:07
  the conservatives got in and took over from Wilson's help Wilson's labor party and that was
• 53:15
  being Ted Heath getting in and he up pal getting in with the river of blood and that didn't happen
• 53:19
  so the fear thing you can whip up the fear the fear is fear and love the two things in play in
• 53:25
  politics I mean I'm not saying he's either whip up fear that he's too much like I'm not saying
• 53:30
  that Farage would have to be right in order to win I'm just saying that it's that that possibility
• 53:35
  has gone from being something that's absolutely bonkers to something that is at least on the table
• 53:39
  now I know I don't I don't know what that means about who the people think they are and like
• 53:46
  the unkind way of portraying it is the the people who vote for him want to keep other people down
• 53:53
  but if you actually talked to them at I don't know what Tommy Robinson rally or something they
• 53:57
  probably say that they've been screwed for too long by a bunch of hoity-toity elites and that there
• 54:04
  are you know it's become unfair I don't know because the European Union was using the money than
• 54:09
  something or other and there are too many people who are now getting more benefits than they are
• 54:13
  and so on and they might feel that the people have been telling them untruths down there are but
• 54:18
  the whole idea of Brexit was going to put all this one 350 million pounds it was a week or a
• 54:22
  month into the NHS and that was the biggest lie in the world that was the battle cry that was
• 54:29
  a thing that's what that's what Donut Cowing said the need of that to in order to win that referendum
• 54:34
  and that was absolutely untrue and did not happen and you know so it's it's it's it's we have to try
• 54:42
  and make this world work our country work our contents work and the and the whole place otherwise
• 54:48
  we're just not going to get we won't get to make this is what I'm sorry why aren't we winning
• 54:52
  why aren't humans winning no like people who think like you and I presumably do that because of
• 54:57
  our just Donald Trump there's a complex nature it's like it's like we're trying to put in crops and
• 55:03
  build crops up and you can have bad weather or you can have someone come through and smash up your
• 55:07
  crops and those crops are gone and it's much it's easier to destroy than it is to build you take
• 55:12
  a sheet of glass how long it takes to build a sheet of glass think of the energy kinetic energy
• 55:17
  in there you just get one brick boom and it's gone and some people feel good about destroying a
• 55:21
  thing that is there or they feel unhappy with their lives and they want to pull things down but
• 55:25
  the building up are things are gradually nurturing and bringing things forward everyone having a
• 55:29
  fair chance not a free life but a fair chance in life and it's a hard thing to do so it's very hard
• 55:34
  to do what we're trying to do it's much easier to be a simplistic politician say hate these people
• 55:38
  and everything be fine it's the problem with the immigrant one the boat people the this people
• 55:43
  the that people but it that isn't the way the center of our problems are there's there's problems
• 55:48
  people aging poll we've we've made things healthcare gets so good that people will age a lot longer
• 55:54
  than before that costs us more money so that's really tricky so retirement age goes up and these
• 55:58
  are really tricky things to try and make it all work try and make it all pay everything to balance
• 56:02
  it's just a difficult thing to do or you can be simplistic and come on in and just say just
• 56:07
  it'll agree with me I'm one person I'm going to come up with lines that grab attention and
• 56:13
  it's never going to work that way here's never worked in that way there's no extreme right-wing
• 56:17
  person who has ever got it going and everyone after was said well that seemed to be a good
• 56:21
  good five ten years it always blows up and goes all wrong and it's hellish for people right um
• 56:27
  and you mentioned how early you came out as trans in the eighties yeah uh how has the
• 56:32
  conversation changed I mean it seems to have taken like got gone into very very weird places
• 56:36
  in the past five or ten years um it's actually it's actually okay there's a lot of heated
• 56:40
  discussion and things and things are tricky but when I came out you know how much discussion
• 56:44
  was going on zero zippity juda yes there was absolutely nothing except for people trying to
• 56:50
  punch me in the streets or people trying to hurl abuse at me in the streets and I would hurl back
• 56:54
  and I would fight them in the streets I only had one or two fights I think but a lot of hurling
• 56:58
  of abuse in the streets and the fear question of going out was was high but now most people
• 57:05
  I think most people in I'd hope around the world would would go just live you live and live
• 57:11
  live your life and trying to get the fine tuning on that is tricky and some people are very heated
• 57:17
  on both sides but I know I'm just an individual I'm telling the truth about this I knew when I was
• 57:22
  four but I didn't tell anyone because I thought I'd get my head kicked in you know the other kids
• 57:26
  and when you say you knew what exactly did you know there was a young girl and um there was a
• 57:31
  kid weighing a sister's dress and then and sister's dress that is a thing we should laugh about
• 57:36
  let us laugh here in in the front I can even remember what was in the front porch area of a house
• 57:43
  and we were all doing a kids thing together we thought this is a ridiculous thing that this young
• 57:47
  boy should be wearing a sister's dress and and I thought that that would work for me I'd be
• 57:52
  happy to wear a dress I can't wear a dress but um so I just didn't talk about it to anyone till I
• 57:58
  got to university and I told a doctor and he unfortunately that didn't quite work out the idea
• 58:02
  of seeing us like characters because it was all the idea of that you were there something wrong in
• 58:05
  you right yeah and then so but maybe it was good that didn't happen so I did self analysis lying
• 58:09
  on a bed and trying to take my brain I worked through my brain I'll just lay in a dark and
• 58:14
  rub and said why do you think in this way why do you think this way my brain wouldn't a bit like a
• 58:18
  car crash people apparently they don't remember the details of a car crash bad things that happened
• 58:22
  but they just pushed the brain will push it out of the brain and I couldn't get into my brain
• 58:27
  very deeply and and and I couldn't come up with the why um and I don't think it is because I think
• 58:32
  it's it's built in but I came up with it that that shaman guilt should not be uh mine because
• 58:40
  this is a true thing this is something that's in me and and if people have a problem with me being
• 58:44
  trans well they can go and see someone about them you can work with them very hard to address
• 58:48
  they didn't understand I'm fine thank you and the reason I ask what it was that you were noticing is
• 58:53
  that when I was growing up and I was aware of you I thought are you younger than me and yes
• 58:59
  I'm not young you're not gonna say your age well I knew I mean you were famous so I'm not
• 59:04
  saying your age I thought you were you were great and I always I sort of assumed that you were
• 59:09
  uh I mean even we didn't think about trans and cisgender but the way I would have articulated
• 59:14
  it was that you were a cisgender transvestite who like a person who likes to wear
• 59:19
  women's clothes in a playful fashion and dress up as a woman but that that would be different from
• 59:23
  what I had thought of as being a sex or who is you know born no no no it's just it's just someone
• 59:29
  who transitioned further along and the it's you know you're trying to present yourself in a way
• 59:34
  that that feels more comfortable to you but the you know it all gets linked up with the clothing but
• 59:39
  if I happen to look um if I looked more feminine or more female than I could wear whatever I
• 59:47
  wanted to wear you know famously man in my know wear or a potato sack you know you know do you
• 59:52
  remember that yes photos they said she could wear anything because obviously she looked like
• 59:56
  she looked like and um but I have to have a more boyish look and but so I mean that I'm just
• 1:00:02
  interested in the whole conversation around performativity and like you know RuPaul says
• 1:00:07
  um everyone's naked everyone's born naked everything else is drag well right that I think I do
• 1:00:12
  think drag queens have been great a great force they proud they fierce in being drag queens and
• 1:00:21
  it's I'm but but trans people quite often most often not necessarily drag with just like cousins
• 1:00:28
  yeah no but I mean you I've heard you talk about you have yourself having a year and a
• 1:00:32
  year and they're being the Eddie and the Susie and they're being like no it's not like that no it's not
• 1:00:37
  it's not like that it's not like that I feel differently one of the other I've just added Susie to
• 1:00:41
  my name so I'm Susie Eddie is other than people call me Susie or Eddie my brother jumps from one
• 1:00:45
  to the other but first she heard don't mind he came just don't call me Arthur or Sabrina that's
• 1:00:49
  why the statement I've put out but um I don't personally feel any different from one to the other if
• 1:00:54
  I'm um if I was presenting more boys like if I was playing a role if I was playing a male role or
• 1:01:01
  a trans role I don't feel anything different inside me it's just me yeah but I do but does that
• 1:01:09
  me have a gender I don't know do I need a gender no no I just I think as we're going forward we just
• 1:01:16
  that's what we everyone's on spectrum yeah well yeah it's yeah I'm gender fluid so yeah that's
• 1:01:21
  the thing but I um I have some people are non you know more non-specific non-binary and I am
• 1:01:29
  slightly more binary in my fluidity so but everyone could choose how they wish to
• 1:01:34
  well I say you're binary in the fluidity in the sense that you will toggle back and forth
• 1:01:38
  yes I can but at the moment I'm now based you know I'm going forward as a trans woman and
• 1:01:43
  that's that's what I choose to do but it is one's own life and you know and my health
• 1:01:50
  your mental health that you get from coming out is is again fierce I'm going to go
• 1:01:56
  you know having come out 40 years ago this January um you know I mean it's such I was I was asked
• 1:02:01
  by our national health center they thought we talked about mental health and they're just doing
• 1:02:07
  check-ups with people and I went oh really okay well I'm good and they said what about
• 1:02:11
  this no I'm good I'm fine I'm good I'm strong and you know mentally I mean at this this place where
• 1:02:16
  I'm very I'm not needing to see a person about this or a person about that I'm not worried
• 1:02:21
  about it I just I'm out I'm not causing anyone else problems they might have a problem about it
• 1:02:26
  but they can go and see someone about it and what do you make of the heat of the conversation
• 1:02:30
  around it because I mean that does seem it's understandable remember the heat of marriage equality
• 1:02:36
  remember what I mean I it was huge what are you going to go on that I was there was no heat on
• 1:02:41
  that it was at the moment that I ever wanted to get married uh because I'm married to a guy
• 1:02:47
  that the law just had just changed and so it was there you go but but so you weren't really have
• 1:02:52
  you studied back yes I mean of course yeah I mean you know men marry men we're in and cats marry dogs
• 1:02:58
  they're where we're going to go on and on and on and what the Bible said and then marriage equality
• 1:03:03
  said oh it's about love I'm terrible so we didn't really be about love we thought it was about
• 1:03:06
  something else and it moved to that and and when you listen to the conversations about marriage
• 1:03:11
  equality now they're pretty sure and far between oh yeah so we have to go through this if the time
• 1:03:16
  that I think the the gay community the lesbian community have done amazingly strong work and
• 1:03:20
  and and drag queens in that tend to be part of them gay community but gay men doing drag
• 1:03:26
  with now it's women as well and cis women and everything so that's great that's all widening out
• 1:03:31
  but trans we were behind on everything we were behind and trans men are kind of invisible
• 1:03:37
  they you know they tend to transition really pretty well in a general visual sense on the street
• 1:03:42
  and trans women it's it's harder for and therefore I've had more fights and more screaming
• 1:03:46
  matches and what do you make of the debates from feminists about women's only spaces and women's
• 1:03:52
  only rape shelters and women's only prisons and women's only I don't know locker rooms it's tricky
• 1:03:57
  we just we've just got to get we get to get to a place where it doesn't matter so much because
• 1:04:03
  get rid of urinals for one get rid of urinals and just make it loose and everyone cubicles and
• 1:04:08
  everyone being mature because they've done that it's some places all the way from schools to to adult
• 1:04:11
  places and then people just behave themselves a lot better um we need safe spaces for all you know
• 1:04:18
  so it's the it's this idea that trans is made up this is a made up thing that we've all trans
• 1:04:24
  people decided to make this up in our heads as opposed to getting lesbian communities and I just
• 1:04:28
  think well you can't know that's obviously silly but I mean but that is there but that is you
• 1:04:32
  know that is a big slice of people's things you've just come up with a fictitious thing and I'm
• 1:04:36
  saying no this is true and I'm just telling you about it um but quite how it all works quite how
• 1:04:41
  the genetics line up with the chromosomes I think that the debate around how it all works was the
• 1:04:46
  instigator of the heat of the like it seems hotter than it seems to me that like people like
• 1:04:54
  Andrew Sullivan and Jonathan Roush and people who were the who were the sort of big
• 1:04:57
  arguers for gay marriage equality in the 80s and 90s were very good at coming in with a universalist
• 1:05:05
  point of view and articulating very carefully to middle American milling and middle Australia
• 1:05:10
  that like we want all the same things that you have we're not a threat it's not about sex it's
• 1:05:16
  about we just don't want to be discriminated against and this and that and that is by contrast
• 1:05:23
  during that period sort of sort of 2015 to 2020 a lot of the conversation people felt was not like
• 1:05:30
  I will work out the details about how trans people and feminists will co-habit spaces but rather
• 1:05:37
  if you say that biological women should have a should be able to use the same locker room that
• 1:05:43
  that means that you're a transphobic bigger who has blood on their hands and people went
• 1:05:47
  oh hang on a second this doesn't feel very inclusive like did that contribute did that tone
• 1:05:54
  of sensoriousness contribute to the backlash I don't know whether that blaming diving in and
• 1:06:00
  waiting around in the arguments is really going to help here we've got to work out where we're
• 1:06:04
  going to get to at the end transitioning people don't want people to you know if you have to
• 1:06:09
  re-transition you've had you've had surgery you've had something that that's a real worry but
• 1:06:14
  then if people are not allowed to transition when they're younger then they can self harm or they
• 1:06:18
  could kill themselves so getting the balance on that is really tricky this is just these are
• 1:06:22
  just difficult things we have to be very mature about it and dial down the screaming I've tried to
• 1:06:27
  do that with being sousi ideas but I don't have a dead name I have two names that are running I
• 1:06:31
  prefer she had don't mind he and him I'm trying to look for a way forward that's all people can get
• 1:06:36
  and co-exist in a way it's I don't have all the answers oh you're trans you've got all the answers
• 1:06:42
  no I don't have all the answers so but I do know that we were all you know female initially the female
• 1:06:48
  the fetus as we all know that starts it and the men have nipples because they could have been
• 1:06:52
  breasts and the testes and the ovies as I whack the mic again the same thing but they get coded
• 1:06:57
  different so we get we get hugely hugely thing about this the male and the female but it isn't that
• 1:07:06
  biologically it's just the body starts off one way and then gets coded slightly different ways
• 1:07:11
  and XXXY it's not XX on YY even from the very beginning on the chromosomes
• 1:07:16
  XXX and XY you just think it'd be XXYY you think be XXY you know if it's if it's very male and
• 1:07:22
  very female we share you know XXX and feel the next Y so we haven't got to the end of this we
• 1:07:30
  don't quite know how how this is all happening but the idea that hatred should be in that aggression
• 1:07:37
  the idea that's how you police anything anyway it's it's an impossible policing thing you just
• 1:07:43
  you can't you know because say how do women supposed to look and if there's a certain women who
• 1:07:48
  will look in a way that could be more um well boyish or may I should looking and then say oh
• 1:07:57
  they're not allowed to go into toys it all gets into this crazy place but you get you get you
• 1:08:00
  are you rhinos just say this cubicle and you know and the idea that trans people
• 1:08:05
  anyway would would go through all this how all this attacks and streets people fight me trying
• 1:08:09
  to punch my head in and then you go in and start attacking people in the in the loop that's just
• 1:08:13
  that's not on anyone's list of things to do it's just not going to happen it's just what
• 1:08:20
  no no I think people getting concerned tied tied up in in an argument that doesn't even make sense
• 1:08:26
  but I don't think people think that trans women are going to be the abuse is this that they think
• 1:08:29
  that oh yeah they think that cis men could pretend to be women and I don't think they
• 1:08:34
  articulate that way I think they they started but you know but they're all trans men now have to
• 1:08:39
  use women's lose how does that work because they will look like those rules because they will look
• 1:08:43
  like men coming into the lose and then say it's exactly what we don't want yes exactly and I mean
• 1:08:48
  it's you've got to get to a place where there's where I think the only way forward is a more
• 1:08:53
  relaxed um relax isn't the right word but a more balanced approach where you just throw
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  urinals urinals out the window and just get it into a cubicle and then you know then there's
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  going to still be the questions about jails and athletics at school and like I know I know I know
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  I know tricky but you've got to look at these one by one and try and move move beyond them because
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  um it it's it's it's a difficult thing it's a difficult thing and um but you want individuals to
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  be happy but but getting really screaming and arguing and I don't think that's going to that's
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  going to get us to a place but um I don't I don't I'm saying that I just think everything should
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  quite has to quiet down but but it was screaming I feel it was screaming arguing on the marriage
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  equality front before and then got to a place where things were easier so these arguments could
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  are tricky I don't have the answers for it but I'm saying I'm trying to live the best life I can
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  live and my my I think having run a few marathons and put a few pounds dollars back into the
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  kidney of life that hopefully I'm trying to do a positive thing that and I wouldn't have had this
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  strength all my strength comes from coming out as trans I haven't articulated this heavily but
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  the hell I had to go through to come out the mental hell of saying the society saying you are wrong
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  and I'm saying actually I think I'm slightly more right than you society think I am because I'm
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  telling the truth here in this world of lies one lies one lies no political consequences for
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  overt lying in politics that that is this hellish place we've we've got to just make things up
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  everyone you know in politics everyone about CVs everyone says what I did this I did this
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  didn't do it quite that well but like on your resume yeah but now it's got to a politics
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  things we just I will make up a lie here and I'll make up a lie here and I'll make a complete
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  nonsensical lie and do you think so do you think that that defiance towards the the norm the gender
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  norm then gave you the sort of instinct that we're seeing that I'm talking about at the beginning
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  to do with all of these bazillions of different things that most people don't think at all not the
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  instinct it gave me the confidence to say I can try and do things which are difficult and get
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  to a better place not not that I can have all the answers but from that when I um you know when
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  I started saying okay I'm gonna run a whole bunch of mountains around the UK first the 43 to 51
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  days and they said well no do three or something but now I said I'll do I didn't know how many it
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  would be but I just thought if I kept going I could probably string them together and then people
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  might give more money because they because you can't they said when you're doing a bicycle I said well
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  on a bicycle if you're going on flat everyone knows that's that's lovely if you're going downhill
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  that's gorgeous up hills yeah a little bit trickier but running it's all tough also I thought
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  if I was on a bicycle wouldn't technically be a marathon so if that's your ambition no but it
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  wasn't that but actually the marathon you could have run further could ride I was initially doing
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  30 miles a day and I thought no just do a marathon because people have no marathons they get a
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  tough yes and a 30 mile a day they go well that's so tough yeah yeah exactly is that more or less
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  than a marathon yeah and it's uh but yes that so that's 42k a day or 26 um well people can go
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  back and listen to our last conversation if they want to find out about what it takes to do
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  marathons because that was specifically about the stamina and endurance there I won't keep you
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  only long about um so Australians should go and see both you're telling them or I'm telling them
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  I'm telling them I telling them even if you don't know because some people said well I don't think
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  this is right I hope but come and have a look check it out because there's something happening
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  there my training is so unusual to go from accounting and financial management which is just a thing
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  I can add up so that's what I had to do that but wanting to act for an age of seven so the so
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  dramatic acting is what I wanted to going through all trying to do things at school not getting
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  anything does about 15 16 actually in comedy of errors which was Shakespeare so I started in Shakespeare
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  but in his comedy and now I've gone to his in the marathon tragedy yeah come on come to the good form
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  and um and going through that then going into uh sketch comedy like python who are my comedy gods
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  or mount Olympus still are and then I'm moving the street form because I thought that was a way
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  now what I learned on the street which is just like the performers in Shakespeare's time you will see
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  it happen in front of you in Australia in New Zealand in in in anywhere in the world because
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  it's three continents now I'm starting in American and going through um uh Britain and then back on
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  and and you can see that happening that thing that I learned from the street which is impossible to
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  really show but I know about energies in places and how to perform indoors or outdoors um
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  there was a power cut in in in Oxford and the so I was going to perform outside and I was just
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  say I'll do I'll do the whole of how to outdoors here and it's on a street venue where I'd played
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  about 25 years before um and then I went into dramatic acting which is my first love so to go
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  all the way through this and to come to it there's something interesting out there and you may not
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  get it and some people have stomped out where's all the other people where's the flying car
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  where's the flashes and bangs and things but um I think it's beautiful and I've done
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  well we saw 50,000 tickets now and so uh wow yeah and now you have to do it 205 performances
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  until I busted my knee but I will be back and the knee will get working even stronger than before
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  we can rebuild it we shall we shall prevail with the knee uh are you optimistic ultimately about
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  like the future of everything are we going to be okay I'm a glass is two thirds full person good
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  because I'm a trans person who came out 40 years ago and and I'm driving my career forwards and people
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  all more people saying yeah you can be trans and play male and female characters and everything I
• 1:14:22
  mean everything I mean the whole world feels very destabilized at the moment I don't know what
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  I think I think how about can you can you drop kick your brain back into uh early 30s the rise
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  of Nazism I thought well they're just in that back thought oh my god he's got control he's done
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  the enabling act Hitler's done the enabling act so what that means he could just do with his head
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  he said all the communists are illegal all the trans history this is it went on and on and on
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  and on and on and on and he kept having you know the luck of the devil it's just going on and on
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  and on and on and then it went into World War II and so it was a hellish fight but for 12 years he
• 1:14:54
  kidnapped the German people I said this the German people that's not what the German people are
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  they were just like any other European country but he kidnapped them for 12 years and encouraged
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  some of the hell most hellish things in them and and certain people can do this they can get behind
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  people's eyes and certain people they say come and do these hellish things but we will the ship will
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  write itself and if you ever get really despondent track human rights from ancient Egypt to now
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  it does the graph does generally gradually move up it goes backward sometimes it flatlines at some
• 1:15:21
  points and then it gradually steps forward live and let live everyone in the world has a right to
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  a fair chance in life that ancient Egypt was thousands of years ago and I only live for 80 years so
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  doesn't matter but humans are the same human same brain power you know since a hundred thousand
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  years ago when we started to talk we realized it was brain power that was the thing not muscle power
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  and that's when pay should have been equal from a hundred thousand years ago and so if I get a
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  time machine I'll go back and tell him I just don't I don't want I don't want my kids to live in one
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  of the little dips you know I want to get better well encourage your kids if you see a negative do a
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  double positive that's what I say to all good people positive people in the world see negatives
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  and then start doing your positive now all right I started improvising and developing my
• 1:16:00
  shows in French and German that's what I did because I didn't believe in in Brexit Brexit
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  Brexit I don't have and so I thought well let's develop I developed them in English but now I
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  saw I went to Paris and said bonsoir Paris just easy see I'm poor vise pull quite a fuck per
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  and and they said say cool it's a cool say it is that's easy it is a matter no a
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  and so I don't know that's the next gig I'm going to do is it's going to be in in France but
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  doing it in French after if Deutsche doing it in German as well and then in Spanish as well
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  Toro and espagnolo see see por que no por que no and why not just do this and then kids say well
• 1:16:35
  if you're doing Spanish I'll do it in English and with English you can tour the world it's a
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  lingua franca it's everyone's using it and it's not because of Britain it's just because of
• 1:16:42
  Hollywood and rock and roll I so it's also because of Britain if it depends how far you
• 1:16:47
  back you go yeah but but it's the lingua franca that's come I think everyone's grabbing it's
• 1:16:50
  a business language it's an airplane language I have a pilot's license because I learned a flag
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  is I scared of flying so I thought we'll learn to fly and then you won't be so scared and I'm not
• 1:16:58
  and they all speak in English all these yes are the pilots of the world they have to learn
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  English as well to be able to talk to air traffic control which is the international language so
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  there's a lot of positive things happening out there they may we may be on a in a in a tough
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  in a rocky patch but keep pushing keep on there keep yourself together start doing a positive
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  things now and when things right then when the ship writes itself we will be all hitting the
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  ground running to take humanity forwards all right I'm gonna go do my one-man show of King Liam
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  do my bit thank you lovely to talk to you thanks very much great to talk to you