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The Final Push · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: evening grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt inside the Beltway reminding
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  Speaker 1: you tomorrow night on the Salem News Channel, Salem Radio Network,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to the Conservative Caucus sponsoring us. We'll be on
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  Speaker 1: all election night from 6 until 1. I'm taking the
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  Speaker 1: last shift from 11 a.m. to 1 a.m. Thanks to
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  Speaker 1: the Conservative Caucus. And once again, Decision 2026, one of
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  Speaker 1: the races we will be focused in on like a laser,
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  Speaker 1: is in Minnesota. We're on right now on AM 1280,
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  Speaker 1: The Patriot. And I'm pleased to welcome Michelle Tafoya, who
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  Speaker 1: I think has a very good shot at pulling the
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  Speaker 1: upset of the year. tomorrow in Minnesota. Michelle, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: You got the closing kick. How do you feel?
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  Speaker 2: We feel good. We feel really good.
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  Speaker 3: We have been all over this state the last two
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  Speaker 3: weeks talking to voters, sharing the message, hearing their voices.
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  Speaker 3: And again and again, Hugh, they tell us they are
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  Speaker 3: sick and tired of the fraud. They want change. It
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  Speaker 3: was enough to drive Tim Walz away from running for
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  Speaker 3: a third gubernatorial run.
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  Speaker 2: He was in it and then he quit because the
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  Speaker 2: fraud was just too big to bear.
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  Speaker 3: But his second in command, Peggy Flanagan, decided she would
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  Speaker 3: run for Senate and she thinks she deserves a promotion.
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  Speaker 3: She cannot continue to fail upward as she has her
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  Speaker 3: entire political career. And I think Minnesotans are going to
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  Speaker 3: tell her so.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle, I turned on MS Now yesterday. I used to
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  Speaker 1: work at MSNBC, so I occasionally turn it on. There
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  Speaker 1: was Peggy Flanagan with those ridiculous earrings and those ridiculous classes,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought she'd lost in an attempt to become normie.
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  Speaker 1: She is still as extreme on social issues, extreme on
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  Speaker 1: budget and spending. I don't think she's Muslim Brotherhood adjacent
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  Speaker 1: like El Sayed in Michigan, but she is way out there.
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  Speaker 1: Are Minnesotans waking up to that reality about Peggy Flanagan?
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  Speaker 3: I think they are, and I think they have been.
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  Speaker 3: But for sure, I mean, when she continues to ask
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  Speaker 3: for and claim that she will fight for Medicare for all, Shoot,
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you that the steam fitters and the
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  Speaker 3: pipe fitters that I talk to in Minnesota love their
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  Speaker 3: insurance program.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want Medicare for All.
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  Speaker 3: People who are on Medicare know that it would strip
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  Speaker 3: some of their benefits as well, that it is just
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  Speaker 3: an untenable direction to go for health care. Health care
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  Speaker 3: needs reform. It ain't Medicare for All. She's extreme on
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  Speaker 3: so many things. She's okay with boys playing in girls' sports.
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  Speaker 3: She's okay with minors having life-altering surgery sessions.
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  Speaker 2: Because they think they're the opposite sex.
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  Speaker 3: She is okay with a lot of these things that
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  Speaker 3: are just, you're right, they're not Minnesota values. But most importantly,
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  Speaker 3: she was okay watching all of that money fly out
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  Speaker 3: of the state through Minneapolis-St.
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  Speaker 2: Paul Airport, so that.
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  Speaker 3: Fraudsters and criminals could buy homes in Europe, could go
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  Speaker 3: on lavish vacations, could buy expensive cars here in Minnesota
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  Speaker 3: and drive around in them. And she will not step
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  Speaker 3: up and take any responsibility for that, lay blame at
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  Speaker 3: anyone for that. She will not point out the Somali
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  Speaker 3: gang violence. It hit us again on Halloween over in St.
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  Speaker 4: Paul.
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  Speaker 3: Four Somali gangs identified, according.
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  Speaker 2: To the reporting. She just keeps turning her head.
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  Speaker 3: To the most blatant, obvious problems that are in front
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  Speaker 3: of Minnesota and keeps trying to distract from her own record.
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  Speaker 1: So, Michelle Tafoya, you will win outstate. It's not even
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  Speaker 1: a question in my mind. Minnesota is a vast red
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  Speaker 1: blanket and then this deep blue bubble of the Twin Cities.
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  Speaker 1: Have you made inroads in the Twin Cities? Because those
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  Speaker 1: taxpayers don't want their money defrauded either.
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  Speaker 2: No, they do not.
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  Speaker 3: And we really believe that we have made significant inroads.
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  Speaker 3: We spent a lot of time courting those voters. And
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  Speaker 3: according to the Minnesota Star Tribune, not a real conservative
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  Speaker 3: leaning newspaper. This morning, they interviewed a number of people
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  Speaker 3: who said they could not vote for Peggy Flanagan. They're
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  Speaker 3: usually Democrats, but they crossed over to vote for me.
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  Speaker 3: So we see it in that data. We see it
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  Speaker 3: in our own anecdotal data. We see it with the
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  Speaker 3: number of signs that we have throughout the metro versus the.
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  Speaker 2: Ones that she's got on people's lawns. So we're hopeful.
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  Speaker 2: We are really hopeful that we've made enough.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have to win the Twin Cities, but we've
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  Speaker 3: got to strip away enough of a share that affords
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  Speaker 3: her a loss.
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  Speaker 2: And we think we're going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Tavoya, Minnesota is a hunting state. It's a gun
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  Speaker 1: rights state, and she is not. She's an extremist on
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  Speaker 1: that issue as well. Does that resonate across the state
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  Speaker 1: or just in the rural areas?
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  Speaker 3: It certainly does in the rural areas, but I would
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  Speaker 3: say here in the metro it does as well. I
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  Speaker 3: had a Jewish mom tell me that her daughter is
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  Speaker 3: worried about gun rights, and she looked at her daughter and.
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  Speaker 2: Said, I want to own a gun. I want to
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  Speaker 2: protect you. I want to protect us.
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  Speaker 3: I want that sense of security when maybe someone else
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  Speaker 3: isn't coming. So I do think that this issue has
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  Speaker 3: gotten more broad across Minnesota than people realize.
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  Speaker 1: So, Michelle Tafoya, you mentioned a Jewish mom. The Jewish vote,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how big it is in Minnesota, but
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  Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of friends of Israel
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  Speaker 1: who are not Jewish as well as Jewish voters. How
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  Speaker 1: do you see them breaking? I think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a historic night for the move of Jewish Americans
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  Speaker 1: and supporters of Israel towards Republican candidates. What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I know that is going to be true, Hugh. I
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  Speaker 3: know it is because I have had so many meetings
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  Speaker 3: with the Jewish community here in the Twin Cities, whether
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  Speaker 3: they're Orthodox Jews or secular Jews. They cannot stand that
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  Speaker 3: Peggy Flanagan is calling what's going on in the Middle
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  Speaker 3: East a genocide against Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: They are furious with her for that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she can say that you just mentioned she's
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  Speaker 3: not maybe adjacent to the Muslim Brotherhood. But she has
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  Speaker 3: been endorsed by Hassan Piker, who was here in town.
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  Speaker 3: So he likes what she's standing for. I think that
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  Speaker 3: should tell people a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it does. Hassan Piker, for the benefit of those
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  Speaker 1: people who've been living under Iraq, isn't a radical. He
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  Speaker 1: is as radical as they get. He hates America, thought
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  Speaker 1: America deserved 9-11. It wasn't a joke. He said it.
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  Speaker 1: He is definitely Muslim Brotherhood adjacent. And he is a radical.
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  Speaker 1: And I did not know that he had endorsed Peggy Flanagan.
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  Speaker 1: She will be. at least in second place when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to radicals in the Senate. It depends on who wins.
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  Speaker 1: El-Sayed would be the most radical. Do Minnesotans really want that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the land of Senate giants like
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  Speaker 1: Walter Mondale and Hubert Humphrey. It's not the land of
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  Speaker 1: crazy people.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: And I think people are really opening their eyes and
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  Speaker 3: learning more about her. You know, she's been in politics
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  Speaker 3: for 20 years, failing upward every single time. She was
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  Speaker 3: the lieutenant governor. I think people were thinking, oh, that's OK,
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  Speaker 3: lieutenant governor. But no, once they realized they started hearing
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  Speaker 3: from her more and more on all of these stances
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  Speaker 3: that she has. And once they realized that she was
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  Speaker 3: also lieutenant governor while Tim Walz was out running for
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  Speaker 3: vice president with Kamala.
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  Speaker 2: Harris, she had a ton.
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  Speaker 3: Of responsibility, if not all of the responsibility of the
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  Speaker 3: state on her hands during that year or whatever it
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  Speaker 3: was that Tim Walz was off crossing the country. people
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  Speaker 3: know they cannot trust her. And so what we really need, Hugh,
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  Speaker 3: it's raining a little bit today. It's supposed to rain tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: We need people to get out and vote. Yes, if
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  Speaker 3: you're in greater Minnesota, for sure, you must vote.
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  Speaker 2: Your vote matters. It counts. But people all across the
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  Speaker 2: metro who have felt.
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  Speaker 3: Failed by this government, who have no faith in Tim Walz,
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  Speaker 3: Peggy Flanagan and Keith Ellison need to vote. We need
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  Speaker 3: to send this, send voters in numbers that we haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen before so that we can pull this off.
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  Speaker 2: And I really believe that we.
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  Speaker 1: Can, Hugh. I think you can. I've done Minnesota broadcasting
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  Speaker 1: long enough. And with this particular station and my station
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  Speaker 1: in Duluth for more than 20 years, common sense people
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  Speaker 1: abound and nice people abound up there. Michelle, I want
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  Speaker 1: to remind everyone that you are a broadcast professional. You've worked, worked,
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  Speaker 1: worked your entire life. And you've told me this is
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  Speaker 1: as hard and harder than that. And you would work
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  Speaker 1: that way in the Senate, which I think is something
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  Speaker 1: voters need to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I've told people the first thing I will do
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  Speaker 3: when I get to Washington is knock on the other
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  Speaker 3: 99 doors of the other senators and say, how can
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  Speaker 3: we work together?
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  Speaker 2: You're right. I have said that I've been working since I.
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  Speaker 3: Was a little girl, had a paper route at 13,
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  Speaker 3: was working even before that, watering lawns for my neighbors
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  Speaker 3: while they were on vacation.
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  Speaker 2: I only know that speed.
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  Speaker 3: That is why we've been able to work so hard
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  Speaker 3: this past year on this campaign. And that is exactly
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  Speaker 3: what I will take to the Senate. I will work
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  Speaker 3: with everyone and I.
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  Speaker 2: Will stand up to anyone. I am going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to work in.
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  Speaker 3: A bipartisan fashion, which trust me, Peggy Flanagan will not.
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  Speaker 3: She wants to go be a rubber stamp for the
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  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders wing of the party. Those are
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  Speaker 3: the friends she's making and hanging out with. I mentioned
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  Speaker 3: Hassan Piker. So no, she is going simply to be
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  Speaker 3: part of the resistance.
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  Speaker 2: And not work across the aisle.
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  Speaker 3: We've gotten into a lot of issues like the national
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  Speaker 3: debt because of bipartisan mistakes. It's going to take bipartisan
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  Speaker 3: cooperation to get us out of this mess.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Tafoya, good luck tomorrow. I really hope everyone in
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota who is listening gets out there and votes early.
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  Speaker 1: The lines are going to be long. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of interest in this race, so don't wait around. Go
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  Speaker 1: check your local polling station. Minnesota's always confused. But Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: you are, it's not originally with me, the Rookie of
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  Speaker 1: the Year in American Politics. I hope you've enjoyed it
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  Speaker 1: as much talking to us as we have. enjoyed talking
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: I have enjoyed it, Hugh. I appreciate the support.
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  Speaker 3: You are a legend, and it's been an honor to
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  Speaker 3: be joining.
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  Speaker 2: You each week.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Tafoya, 2026. Get out and vote, Minnesota. Especially you
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  Speaker 1: folks in the metro area. Go find your polling place.
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  Speaker 1: She can win. Peggy Flanagan is off the charts to
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  Speaker 1: the left. You don't need to be lost and not
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  Speaker 1: matter in the Senate. You need someone like Michelle Tafoya
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  Speaker 1: who actually build bridges to both sides and get stuff done.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Michelle. Don't go anywhere, America. I'll be right
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  Speaker 1: back on The Hugh Hewitt Show. Welcome back, America. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt, joined from Israel by Dr. Michael Oren, former
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  Speaker 1: Israeli ambassador to the United States. Dr. Oren, you know
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  Speaker 1: the United States very well. You were born here, and
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  Speaker 1: you made Aliyah, and you're Israeli now. What do you
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  Speaker 1: make of our race in Michigan against Mike Rogers, seven-term congressman,
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  Speaker 1: state legislator, army officer, FBI agent, up against Abdul El-Sayed,
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  Speaker 1: who I think is at least Muslim Brotherhood adjacent?
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  Speaker 5: When I think about it, I think it's the watershed event.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's the most important election in this midterms.
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  Speaker 5: It is crucial, certainly for the United States, it's crucial
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  Speaker 5: for foreign policy, domestic policy, but I've got to speak honestly,
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  Speaker 5: for American Jews, it's the bellwether. That is, if a
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  Speaker 5: person who hates, hates the land that is the homeland
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  Speaker 5: of the Jewish people, that is home to more than
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  Speaker 5: half the Jewish people, who sympathizes with those who wish
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  Speaker 5: to destroy those people and destroy that state, and does
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  Speaker 5: so openly, that And he does all this not from,
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  Speaker 5: you know, kind of crazy New York, right, Hugh? Right,
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  Speaker 5: but does it from mid-America, from Michigan, a prosperous, verdant,
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  Speaker 5: and largely stable state. What does that mean for the future?
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  Speaker 5: That means that Al Sayeds can be elected anywhere across
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  Speaker 5: the United States.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 5: And so the message is going through. To me, it
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  Speaker 5: is the ultimate watershed event of this midterm.
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  Speaker 1: It is normalizing... an Islamist philosophy. He is at best
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  Speaker 1: an Islamist apologist. Would you explain to people what the
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  Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood is and why it scares not just Israelis,
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  Speaker 1: but many Muslim countries? They want no part of the Brotherhood.
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  Speaker 5: It was a movement founded in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna.
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  Speaker 5: He was a jurist, an Islamic jurist, and he believed
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  Speaker 5: that everything that had gone wrong in the Middle East
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  Speaker 5: was because, not because of the West, but because the
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  Speaker 5: people in the Middle East tried to emulate the West.
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  Speaker 5: and that if they returned to their Muslim pure roots,
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  Speaker 5: that they would then overcome not just the colonizers of
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  Speaker 5: the Middle East, but Europe itself, and ultimately the world.
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  Speaker 5: And they firmly, firmly believe that the goal of Islam
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  Speaker 5: is to recreate the medieval caliphate, and that the caliphate
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  Speaker 5: should expand its borders, conclude basically the entire planet, that
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  Speaker 5: is the will of God, Allah, that the entire planet
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  Speaker 5: be Muslim, and most importantly, the way that the planet
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  Speaker 5: becomes Muslim is through jihad. A jihad in Arabic just
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  Speaker 5: means effort, but usually it means military effort. So a
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  Speaker 5: jihadist is somebody who goes out and fights, kills, and
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  Speaker 5: is willing to die in order for Allah, for God,
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  Speaker 5: to fulfill or to fulfill God's vision for the future
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  Speaker 5: of all of humanity.
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  Speaker 1: So why does Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood, Islamists, not Islam,
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  Speaker 1: not every Arab is a Muslim, not every Muslim is
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  Speaker 1: an Arab person, And a lot of Arab Muslims are
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  Speaker 1: not Jihadists. Right. And I want to make sure I'm
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  Speaker 1: very clear about that. I think we'll be surprised by
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  Speaker 1: Dearborn's vote tomorrow. I don't think it's going to vote
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  Speaker 1: even 85 percent or 70 percent for Abdul El-Sayed. I
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  Speaker 1: think he's too radical for Arab Americans living in Dearborn.
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  Speaker 1: But why does the Brotherhood hate Jews so much? Because
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  Speaker 1: they're running just, it's not just anti-Israel in Michigan, it's
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  Speaker 1: nakedly anti-Semitic stuff, right out of the protocols. Right.
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  Speaker 5: So, listen, it's not just Jews they hate, there's also Christians. Theoretically,
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  Speaker 5: under Islam, Jews and Christians are people of the book.
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  Speaker 5: We're dinis, we're protected minorities. But the Muslim Brotherhood seizes
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  Speaker 5: an enemy, the enemy of the Jews who are in
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  Speaker 5: the Middle East, who have become very successful in the
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  Speaker 5: Middle East, and they view the sort of sequence to
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  Speaker 5: their thinking. First of all, you destroy the Jews, you
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  Speaker 5: destroy the Jewish state, and then you go for the Christians.
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  Speaker 5: As they say, you start with the Saturday people, and
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  Speaker 5: then they go for the Sunday people. And if you
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  Speaker 5: read Osama bin Laden's letters, and he is deeply influenced
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  Speaker 5: by this Islamist theology, this is basically what he's saying.
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  Speaker 5: And it's what the Muslim Brotherhood says today, which is
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  Speaker 5: why it is considered a terrorist group. It's considered a
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  Speaker 5: terrorist group even in Muslim countries, like Egypt, And like
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  Speaker 5: the United Arab Emirates.
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  Speaker 1: So, Michael Oren, you have been around the United States
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  Speaker 1: campuses when you were ambassador from Israel to the United States.
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  Speaker 1: You can smell anti-Semitism in the room. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: El-Sayed's an anti-Semite?
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  Speaker 5: I think he has a problem with Jews. I think
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  Speaker 5: a person who is basing his campaign so much around
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  Speaker 5: the hatred of the Jewish state, has a problem with Jews.
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  Speaker 5: He'll deny it. He'll say he's not anti-Semitic. He's going
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  Speaker 5: to protect Jews. But for Jews, for him, it's just
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  Speaker 5: sort of another religious group. Jews, Methodists, Presbyterians, they're all
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  Speaker 5: the same. Just a religious group. They don't see Jews
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  Speaker 5: as ethnicity, as a people, as a people endowed with
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  Speaker 5: an inalienable right to self-determination in our ancestral homeland. And
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't see the history behind anti-Semitism. And he doesn't
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  Speaker 5: see the history of even anti-Semitism in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 5: As I said before, here's a person who hates, hates,
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  Speaker 5: My state hates everybody I know in it and wants
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  Speaker 5: to see us destroyed. We're not, you know, we're not
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  Speaker 5: shed a tear. And here's a person when an ad
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  Speaker 5: comes out that is made by a PAC that supports him,
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  Speaker 5: that reports to show that because of Israel, working people
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  Speaker 5: in Minnesota can't buy bananas and eggs for their children
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  Speaker 5: and repeatedly, repeatedly refuses to condemn that ad. That's saying
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  Speaker 5: something about this individual. It's saying something about the message
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  Speaker 5: he's trying to sell.
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  Speaker 1: I do not want listeners to this program in Michigan
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  Speaker 1: to be clueless about that. I do have to ask
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  Speaker 1: you a quick question in a minute and a half.
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  Speaker 1: When will we know whether you're going to have new
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  Speaker 1: elections or if Bibi is going to remain interim prime
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  Speaker 1: minister for a foreseeable future? When do we know?
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  Speaker 5: You're probably not going to know for another 40 plus days.
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  Speaker 5: The president has to give each bloc, the pro-Bibi bloc
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  Speaker 5: and anti-Bibi bloc, a chance to form a government. If
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  Speaker 5: neither of them can form a government, then we will
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  Speaker 5: go to elections. The elections will be held sometime around April.
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  Speaker 1: And in the meantime, if the president of the United
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  Speaker 1: States decides to strike again against Iran and he calls
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  Speaker 1: up the prime minister Netanyahu, does the prime minister say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, what do you want?
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: Of course. Of course. But he may add, you know,
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: sort of parenthetically, we've got to take this to the end.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Let's not call quits and let the Iranians get off
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: the rope again. They're down the mat. Don't let them
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: get up again. Let's go all out, take out their missiles,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: take out their drones, and take out their energy sector.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Do you think it is possible that Israel has targeting
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: on Machaba, Hamani, and the other IRGC senior leadership again?
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't rule out any targeting. I wouldn't rule out
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: any targeting. Previously, there were targets that were ruled out,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: particularly the energy sector. I think this time, listen, the
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: people of Israel, and I speak for myself, I speak
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: for my neighbors and my family, we're willing to go
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: through it again. And we were under fire for days
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: and days with missiles that could destroy not just our homes,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: but the bomb shelters inside those homes and our neighborhoods.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: We're willing to do it again because we understand we
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: have no choice. And that all we ask is that
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: the United States and Israel see this through to the end.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Keep it up until these guys either cry uncle or disappear.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I hope the president of the United States hears that
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: message loud and clear. I agree with you. Michael Oren,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: thank you, Ambassador. Follow him on X at drmichaeloren from
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the Israel Advocacy Forum. Dr. Michael Oren on X. Don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: miss anything he writes on his Substack as well. I'll
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: be right back, America. Stay tuned. Welcome back, America. I'm
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt, joined by James Lilix, as in jameslilix.substack.com. He
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: is also the proprietor of lilix.com, writer for National Review,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: nationally known humorist. James, do you think tomorrow's results will
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: put a silver stake through the heart of polling elections,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: or will it show that they've fixed their problems?
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: We've had this argument before.
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: I have been assured that the polls are absolutely bulletproof
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: and complete representation.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: Of what is actually going on there and i've been
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: told by.
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: Other people that well actually they're only calling people with
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: landline so they're basically getting people who worked.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: With them plugged it out uh... long time ago and
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: i hear the people who say uh... no no no
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: the five on the street is different uh.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: alongside index and the rest of it i don't think
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: we'll learn anything from the polls if the polls are
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: all completely wrong And the next election cycle, the polls
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: say what the general right-thinking mass media wants them to say,
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: then they will be believed again.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: So no, I don't think polling ever is going to
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: be fixed.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: And my whole attitude about it is an extremely skeptical, hot,
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: spotlight eyebrow about the whole enterprise.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: All right, now, you are a very well-informed, you're a Minnesotan,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: so you'll know about Michelle Tafoya and Peggy Flanagan. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: want to ask your Level of interest in and acuity
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: of knowledge concerning the other races. What say you about
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: North Carolina? Can you name the candidates?
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: No, I absolutely cannot.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: Insular person that I am, no.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: How about Maine?
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: No, I have not paid a great deal of attention
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: to Maine. Mostly Alaska and Michigan. Alaska, of course, because of.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: The Canadians and Michigan.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Those are easy.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: Well, I do have a life, and I don't exactly
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: fret over these things on an elemental and atomic level.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: I'm afraid to say, Hugh, so I won't have any
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: opinions about that for you.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Maine is the home of the most important woman in
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the United States Congress and probably the most powerful woman
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: in the Beltway, Susan Collins. Susan Collins, right.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: She should be returned just out of self-interest, right? You
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: don't fire someone.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: You would think so.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: You would think. Okay. Ohio is pretty close to Minnesota,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and it's the next letter in the alphabet. Do you
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: know what's going on in Ohio?
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: No, I don't, but you as a native son, of course,
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: are going to tell us all.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: John Husted is the incumbent. He should beat old, old
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Sherrod Brown. Remember Bad, Bad Leroy Brown? If anyone had
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: asked me, I would have done old, old Sherrod Brown
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: as my theme song for John Husted, but they didn't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: ask me. Michigan you know about. Do you think Al
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Syed is in the Brotherhood?
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Well, does one have to be in the Brotherhood to
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: be in the Brotherhood? Can one be in the Brotherhood
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: sort of in a loose sense?
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, is his name on a card? I don't know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: I don't think so. You can be adjacent.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: You know, as Yoni used to tell us many years ago,
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: the differences between a lot of these organizations and the
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: affinities and the winking and the nodding and the rest
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: of it, the very fact that you're not on the
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: membership rolls with a stamped card with an expiration date
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: and you pay your dues doesn't mean.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Very much, I think. I think in their hearts, one
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: can be of the brotherhood.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: And nothing that he's said or done has led me
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: to believe otherwise.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Now, for the benefit of our new listeners, for example,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: on 106.7 The Right Talk in Las Vegas, James and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I have been doing this for so long that he
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: introduced me after 9-11 to Arms for the Love of America,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: which I hope Adam can find and bring up randomly
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: in this segment. So you and I covered the aftermath
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of America and the aftermath of 9-11. Did you ever
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: think that anyone could get nominated by the Democratic Party
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: about whom there are reasonable suspicions of his allegiance with
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the fountainhead of the al-Qaeda terrorists.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Yes, almost instantly.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: And the reason was because there was this instantaneous reaction
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: after 9-11 to all of a sudden erase, not necessarily
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: the ideology that had produced it, but the sort of
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: emanations of the culture that did.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Because the wrong people hated the Muslims, don't you know?
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: When people were blaming this on Islam in general, even
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: though the president would come out and say it's a
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: religion of peace, etc.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: etc.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: There were a lot of people who had their eyes
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: open to strains of Islam that they hadn't seen before,
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: and they didn't like it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: No, sir, they didn't like it at all.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: But the left, keen to find oppression matrices, instantly decided
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: that if the wrong people, being the right.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Is looking askance at this.
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Ideology, at this religion, at this thought, that's in a
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: part of the world that isn't pure socialism, scandinavian snow
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: driven then they're doing it for the wrong reasons the
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: right response to the the right wing response to 9-11
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: was xenophobia and racism and all those things so this
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: instinctive need to reach out and defend those people took
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: place in the left almost instantly and when you match
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: that with the sort of anti-americanism that people had when
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: they were getting the ick because flags were out you
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: could see exactly where this was going to go so
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: no it doesn't surprise me in the least.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So if Al Sayed, you know, Mamdani winning in New
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: York is because of Andrew Cuomo and New York City
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: is nuts and all that stuff. But if Al Sayed
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: wins in Michigan, have we normalized extremism within the Islamist
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: apologist community?
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: Well, they wouldn't call it extremism.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: What they would call it is a robust defense of
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: people who are being genocided. That's the little elision that
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: they would make to keep it from being anti-Semitic and
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: Islamic and Islamist and all the rest of it. Yes, incrementally,
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: year by year by year, more things have been tolerated
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: and more things have been accepted because the overall arching issue,
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: which is now Palestine and Gaza and the rest of it,
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: is of paramount importance.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: It is the main thing.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: So anything that conforms to advancing that main issue has
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: got to be good. And if there's any bad to it,
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: it could be waved away because the other side is worse.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Do you want President Trump to resume the battle with
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Iran on Wednesday? Sure.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Why not? I mean, there are still mullahs there.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: As I said before, as long as there are still
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: guys who can leap out of a car with sticks
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: and beat women for not having their hair covered, then yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: crack on, as the British are likely to say.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they killed 40,000 of their own people in January,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and I kind of think they're the same regime. For
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: those who are concerned with Gaza, are you concerned with Iran?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: because that is the regime, not the enemy.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: No, because it doesn't have the same sort of easy
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: power dynamic. It doesn't have the oppressor-oppressor dynamic.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: It doesn't have the colonial, which is funny, because when
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: you think about it, Persia was fairly Zoroastrian at one point,
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: I think, and then they got sort of, what's the word,
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: colonized by some people who brought another idea.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: No, it doesn't fit that matrix.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: So it's not, I mean, the purity of the Gaza narrative, which, again,
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: requires you to say that October 7th, some people did something,
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: as Ilan Omar once said. And then inexplicably, the Israeli
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: response has been the genocide that they think happened.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's a narrative that requires you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: To hold, to just wall off, like the cask of Amontillado,
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: the actual facts on the ground. And once you've done
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: that and possessed yourself with the righteousness of this narrative,
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: everything on the left that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: You believe flows directly into it. So no, of course
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: they're not going to care about Iran.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you about Alaska then. Do
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: they care about Alaska and Mary Peltola cheating? I mean,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: she's a cheater.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: Well, the AP story that ran it is... I wish
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: I had the headline right in front of me. The
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: AP headline said, Trump targets campaign tactic that has.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Been used before.
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: So instead of saying they're cheating, they're trying to fool people,
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: they're using this nonsense of ranked voting in order to
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: slip this guy in. The problem is that Trump noticed
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: and is targeting it, because unless the actual malevolent force
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: that is Donald Trump in all of these headlines is
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: doing something... And that's got to be bad. If he's
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: doing it, then the actual facts on the ground don't matter.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: I think that's quite extraordinary. And even when the New
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: York Times reports it, you know that some people have
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: still got a conscience.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: But yeah, dirty politics.
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: We've got five more Senate races. Texas, Kansas, Iowa, Florida, Nebraska.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Do you have opinions on any of them?
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Not particularly, no.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: I'm just waiting for it all to be over, because
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: I'm becoming increasingly weary with having to feel as if
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: we have to save Western civilization every two years. I mean,
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: the stakes have never been higher. The stakes are always high,
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: it seems like. It wasn't this growing up when I
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: was a kid. When I was a kid, if it
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: shifted or went back and forth, your life didn't change.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Nothing really changed. There might be a new.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: Initiative on this side or less of an initiative on
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: that side, but basically it was the back and forth
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: because there was a core element that tied the two
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: parties together. There isn't anymore, at least in the rhetoric,
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: at least in a lot of the people who are
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: the most outliers. So it seems as if every two
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: years you have to struggle manfully to keep the Constitution
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: from being dismantled. And by that I mean somebody who says, well,
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: when we win, it'll be great, because one or two
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: things can happen. If there's insurrection-y stuff going around, we
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: can talk about devolving parties back to the governors and
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: maybe declare the government illegitimate and write a new Constitution.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Wouldn't that be awesome?
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: But even if you don't have those ridiculous people... You
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: have the ones who say, well, you know, when we
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: get everything, D.C. 's a state, Puerto Rico is a state,
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: we're going to pack the Supreme Court, we're going to
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: get rid of the Electoral College. And all of a sudden,
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: our democracy is noticeably different than it was before. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: the words of a man who wanted to fundamentally transform America,
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: and again, I don't believe that America needs to be
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: fundamentally transformed, all of a sudden come back to haunt
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: us again and again and again and again.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: He is like the ghost in the Haunted Mansion ride
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: at Disney. Oh, there's our Arms for the Love of America. JamesLylex.substack.com.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you, James. I'll be right back.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Until they quiver at the sound.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: That's the language they understand.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Speak it, brother.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Speak it loud. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: now by Mike Rogers, who I believe will be elected
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to the United States Senate tomorrow. Mike, welcome back. I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: want to ask you a couple of tough, quick questions.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: My audience knows about the Muslim Brotherhood. We've had Lawrence
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Wright on. We've had many scholars of Islam on. They
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: know that to be worried about the extremists and the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood is not to be Islamophobic. It began with
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Hassan al-Banna in 1928. Qutb took it over. It's murderous.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It's Islamist. Has al-Sayed answered those questions to the satisfaction
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: of you or anyone you know?
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: No, not at all. He's not answered any of these questions.
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: He's very good at talking, very bad at answering the question.
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: He often starts by asking you, if he's uncomfortable, you
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: can tell he'll ask you a question right away. And
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: this is the one thing in his campaign he hasn't
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: tried to flip around and try to, you know, shapeshift
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: himself into doing something else. It's the one consistency. He
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: won't condemn the folks who support Hamas that gave him
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: money or the folks that support Hezbollah that gave him
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: money or the organizations that support the Muslim Brotherhood that
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: gave him a lot of money. He is all wrapped
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: up in it. He won't condemn Hassan Piker, who just
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: even last week was going after a Jewish man member
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: of our community who had a Democrat for Rogers sign
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: in the yard. He just absolutely torched them, insulted them
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: on his live stream. Nothing. I mean, he just won't
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: say anything about it. I mean, it is troublesome. He's
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: got this long connection and past that's very, very worrisome.
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: Matter of fact, they just had a superseding indictment. One
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: of his staffers was indicted for terrorist-related charges. I mean,
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: just the list goes on and on. And even his
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: own senior staffer who was with him in 2018 when
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: he ran for governor was with him. And this election
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: for the U.S. Senate came out halfway through and said,
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: I can't do this. Guy's a former U.S.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Marine.
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: Said, I just can't do this. This guy, I watched
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: him lie often. He's a manufactured candidate. and he is
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: just not right to be in the United States Senate. And,
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: of course, now we've got this parade of Democrats coming
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: out saying this guy is just not good for the state.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Well, Haley Stevens endorsed you yesterday. I think she's trying
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to save her party, and Chuck Schumer, by condemning her
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: as reprehensible, is trying to save his job. But in
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the aftermath of that stunner, and it is a big
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: deal when a Democrat Democrat like Haley Stevens comes over
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and says, I'm voting for Mike Rogers, a fellow named
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Wajahat Ali posted at 1241 yesterday, if God forbid... Abdul loses.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: This will be a watershed moment in Democratic politics. The
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: fire will rise. It's over. People will be radicalized against
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: corporate pro-Israel Dems. There will be a reckoning. If, when
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: he wins, it will be a watershed moment, and that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: reckoning will still come. I understood that to be a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: threat at Michiganders. Do you understand that to be a threat? Oh,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: my gosh.
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: These guys have been veiled threats, open threats. They had
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: Abdul Stafford yesterday attack a Jewish woman at a free
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: speech rally. Listen, aggressiveness is kind of what they do.
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: We have a staffer that was posting and got threats.
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, I do worry about this because the radical
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: conversation that they're having, it's at this fevered pitch where
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: it gives permission for more political violence. If you can't
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: condemn The guy who loaded up his car with gasoline
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: and explosives and drove it into a school to kill
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: 130 schoolchildren at a synagogue, if you can't condemn that,
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: guess what? You have no business being in the Senate.
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: And guess what that also does to you? It encourages
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: this behavior of being more aggressive. When you can't condemn
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: the ad that says Jews are the reason that you
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: have high grocery prices, you're encouraging violence. You're encouraging aggressiveness.
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: That's what I worry about. That's who they are. You're
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: seeing it now. They're they're telling you who they are
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: when they're attacking Haley Stevens for having the courage to
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: say my country is more important than my party. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: by the way, she said, I'm a Democrat. I'm voting
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: all Democrats except for one race. They are going after
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: her like unbelievable.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And she cited Philip Hart, the conscience of the Senate.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And I have great admiration for her for doing that. So,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Mike Rodgers. I think you are going to win. The
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: polls say you aren't. But they told us at the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: primary on August 4th that Abdul Sayyed was going to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: win between 10 and 18 points. They had no idea.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think they have any idea about the black vote.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And I don't even think they have any idea about
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the Arab-American vote in Dearborn. I think you're going to
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: do pretty well there because they're not radicals.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think, you know, the imams in the mosques
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: have been very, very aggressive about saying you have to
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: bring your ballot to the Friday prayer. very, very unusual,
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: pretty aggressive. I do think if people have their own choice,
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  Speaker 9: we know this because we talk to a lot of
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: Muslims saying, hey, this is not who we are. We
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: are not that extreme. We love America. We love freedom.
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: We love the free market. Those Muslims aren't being heard
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: right now. And the intimidation factor is pretty significant there.
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: So we know we're going to get some of those votes.
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: We're definitely going to get some more African-American votes. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: a lot of times what they're telling us is this guy, Abdul,
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: goes into the community, he's dismissive, he's arrogant, and it
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: just doesn't set well with them. And same with Jewish
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: Democrats for Rogers. I mean, they are afraid for their children.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: And here's another group that people don't realize. We have
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: Kelbeans here who are Iraqi Catholics who were prosecuted and sent.
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: And we have a huge number, almost 200,000 And literally
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: we would go to these events and they'd grab my
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: wife or me and start sobbing about, please, please, you
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: must win. You can't allow this hate to come back here.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: This is why we're here. I mean, so there's the
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: passion on the ground, pretty easy to get lost in
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: all the punditry and the polls and all of that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: It's real for so many people here. And it's, you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: we're going to win by inches, but I think we're
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: going to win.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: You know, Mike Rogers, I had lunch today with a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Muslim friend of mine, Arab Muslim friend. who said, if
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: El-Sayed wins, it will normalize Mamdani on a national level,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and the radicalism that El-Sayed represents will be everywhere acceptable.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? Because I think it is
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: a breach in the dike if this happens.
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: Oh, I completely agree with that. Matter of fact, he
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: will move the Senate to the left. All of the
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: folks like the Bernie Sanders and that whole crew, Elizabeth Warren,
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: all who have been here, AOC, this gives them a
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: new leg up. And what it does is it forces
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: even moderate Democrat senators, if there's any such thing left
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: over there, it forces them more to the left because
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: that will be the energy in their races, too. And,
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: you know, AOC has said with Abdul on the same stage,
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: this is our first chance. And if we can win here,
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: we can win everywhere, which tells you what's coming. That's
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: why this race becomes so, so important. And we definitely
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: need people not to pass on voting tomorrow.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: They need to get out and vote. Last question. Do
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the union members understand completely? You've driven it up. Medicare
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: for all is the end of their union-backed insurance. Do
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they understand that?
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: We think they do. We've been working pretty hard to
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: get that word out. I'll give you a quick antidote.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: A guy called me, had a business next to the
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: International Brother of Electrical Workers, a union up in Marquette, Michigan,
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: way up north in the Upper Peninsula. And he saw
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: a whole group of them getting out of their cars,
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: going into the IDW. And Abdul had a rally up
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: there with AOC. And he was walking into his business.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: They know each other. The guy came over and said, oh,
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: it was great. We just came back from the rally.
• 37:03
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• 37:06
  Speaker 9: we were on the counter rally. We were protesting Abdul.
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: We can't let that guy win. We like our benefits.
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: That was anecdotal, but it gives you an idea that
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: these guys are like, hey, wait a minute. I don't
• 37:18
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• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, run through the tape, Mike Rogers. We need
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you in the United States Senate. Seven-term congressman, former Army officer,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: former FBI special agent, former state legislator, moderate Republican, Michigan.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Do the right thing. Vote for Mike Rogers tomorrow. Thank you, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt. Time for a palate cleanser. And by
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that I mean, if you've been living in the swamp
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: of politics like I have been for the last six months,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and we have election day to go through tomorrow and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: election night tomorrow night, time for a step back. and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Spencer Claven is here to help me do that. Spencer
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: is the host of The Young Heretics. He is a
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: professor at the University of Texas, Austin. He's with the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Claremont Review of Books, and he's a smart guy, a
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: very smart guy. Spencer, before I launch into this, this
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is a segment on purgatory. Can you remind people of
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: your religious background, what your faith tradition is?
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: I'm an Anglican Christian, so I'm as close to the
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Tiber as it's possible to be without crossing it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Do Anglican Christians observe the octave of all souls.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: We do. Absolutely.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: We're all for it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. Now, for those who do not understand what we're
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: talking about, between November 1 and 8, if you're a
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Catholic like me and you go to confession and you
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: go to communion with eight days from November 1 to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: November 8, you can seek and sometimes obtain a plenary
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: indulgence for someone who is dead and by doing prayers
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: for the Pope's intentions, and then by saying an Our Father,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: an Apostles' Creed, and the Eternal Rest granted to them,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: a Lord prayer, either at a cemetery or a church
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: or oratory. Is that your way of going about it, Spencer?
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: Not quite, Hugh.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I mentioned I hadn't crossed the Tiber, so some of
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: the papal intentions that you mentioned aren't part of the
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: I like to call it the autumn triduum, this sort
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: of three-day festival that we've just gone through. It begins
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: with All Hallows' Eve and then moves into All Hallows'
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Day and the Feast of All Souls. But certainly communion
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: with and prayer for the dead is a major part
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: of Anglican observance, and your mileage may vary depending on
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: how high church or low church you're in. you are
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: but um i i do like to say a prayer
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: or two for the dearly departed myself.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Well i i like to say a prayer every day
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and go visit our local cemetery because you can always
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: spring someone from purgatory if you're catholic and i'm right
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and the catholic church is right the question is what
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: is purgatory what does dante you've been teaching the inferno
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: for probably three months now uh an hour at a
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: time that's right what does dante envision purgatory.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: As For Dante, purgatory is a mountain. It's a physical place,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: at least it's represented as a physical place in the
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: middle section of his Divine Comedy. And it's the place
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: where those souls which have not been consigned to hell,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: but have not yet been refined to the point of
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: readiness to ascend into the heavens, are able to make
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: penance for their sins. And just as hell has circles
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: of punishment that match penance, The sins of those who
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: are damned, it's called contrapasso, the suffering that we experience
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: in kind of exchange for our sins. In purgatory, the
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: souls continue also to suffer, but it's a redemptive suffering.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: It's a kind of purgation, like cleansing. that they go through.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: And so there are cleansing fires. There are weights and
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: burdens that are picked up and carried. There are efforts
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: that they have to make basically to work off all
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: of the dust and the dirt that they've acquired in
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: their earthly lives.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Now, does it occupy a lot of Dante's time or
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: is it an afterthought?
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, not at all.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: It's not an afterthought. It's a third of the poem.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: So this beautiful, massive, magisterial work, we typically read the
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: first third of it. Maybe in school, people will have
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: encountered the inferno because they think that's the good bit.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: You know, that's where we get all the torture and
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: the torment. But for Dante, that's.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Only the beginning.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Once you climb down into the center of the earth,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: of hell, the world turns upside down. Gravity flips and
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: we start to make our way upward on the ascent.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: this mountain gets basically refined and refined to its central point.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: And this is where the souls are being made ready
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: to ascend into heaven. And of course, after that, we
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: take off, we pass beyond the boundary of the moon.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: And for Dante, the outer space, much as for Christians
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: throughout time, outer space in Dante is not empty. It
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: is filled with life and with all the different spheres
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: of the heavens and all the different ways that the
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: saved can know bliss. But Dante's He puts purgatory right
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: in the middle of this. In fact, the core statement
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: of how his vision of the afterlife works is at
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: the center of purgatory. So it's at the center of
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: the center of the poem. We hear that neither creator
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: nor creation was.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Ever without love.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: So all souls and God himself are always engaged in love.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: And of course, the question is, do you love the
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: wrong things, things that will destroy you and eat you apart?
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Or do you love things that are going to draw
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: you up ever closer to the source of all love,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: which is for Dante also the question that we're always
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: asking at every moment. What am I giving my love to?
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: There's no such thing as life without love in Dante.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: There's only disordered love and ordered love. And that's right
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: in the middle of purgatory.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So, Spencer, is Dante's medieval view of purgatory true? consonant
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: with the anglican communion's view of purgatory or i don't
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: even know what the catholic doctrine is i don't think
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of it as a pleasant place to be therefore you
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: can get sprung by the work done by the church
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: militant as opposed to the church suffering but what's the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: anglican communion's view and what's the dante's view is it
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: hard is it hurt.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah you know i think there is a range of
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: views within the Anglican communion actually on this. I'm, I'm
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: speaking off the cuff here and I'm not being a
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: very good Anglican because I know more about what Dante
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: thinks than I do about what the Anglican church thinks.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: But I gather, I believe it might, it might be
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: classified as what you call a pious belief. In other words,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: you're not obligated to believe in purgatory to count as
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: a member of the Anglican communion, but it is something that,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: that many Anglicans do believe if I'm getting that, that right.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: It's not obligatory in the same way. And, And actually
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: for Dante, these views were also in flux. He himself
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: was making a lot of interesting interventions into the church's
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: thinking on this, which was being shaped. And questions like,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: you know, do pagans have a possibility of getting into purgatory?
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Were questions that Dante himself was weighing in on. Can
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: you be a virtuous pagan and make your way up
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: the mountain of purgatory? And we do meet some pagan philosophers,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: those who.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Who knew something of the truth in the kind of
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: limbo space outside of hell. And he and Dante and
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Aquinas are in this kind of dialogue about what happens
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: if you never get Christ's teaching, but you do have
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: a sort of natural philosophy idea about what is good
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: and about a God that rules the universe. So I
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: think a lot of this stuff is kind of open
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: for a little bit of wiggle room.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Is there a Young Heretics episode on the Purgatory yet?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I've got Gluttony and Lust and all that stuff, but
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: is there a Purgatory episode yet? And how popular is
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the series?
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: You know, it's coming.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Purgatory is coming. But we are working our way through slowly.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: I believe in reading great books slowly. We read to reread.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: And so we're actually still in hell in heretics. And
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I've been getting some wonderful feedback. We're moving now into
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Dante's Treatment of Fate, which is coming out soon. That's
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: in November. So you want to subscribe because we're going
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: to be doing a treatment of the wheel of fortune
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: and all of these questions of chance. What happens when
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: our fortunes are reversed? which is really, I think, relevant
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: now when you've got these kind of tech folks that
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: are telling you they can predict the future. We can
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: calculate and write equations. They're going to tell us exactly
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen 100 million years from now. Dante
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: tells us instead the ancient wisdom that God has actually
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: appointed the goddess or the angel Fortuna over our lives
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: to mix things up. So that's what's coming up next.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: But we're still in hell. We're making our way to Purgate.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Young Heretics is a palate cleanser for everyone. I wanted
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: to talk to Spencer today during the Octave of All Souls.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'll cross the Tiber by the time we talk
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to him next. You really ought to think about that, Spencer.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Go to Young Heretics, like and subscribe. You'll find that
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: it's a wonderful diversion from your regular podcast diet. Go high,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: as they say. When podcasts go low, you go high
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: with Young Heretics and Spencer Clavin. Thank you, Spencer. I'll
• 48:47
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• 48:54
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• 48:56
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• 48:59
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• 49:03
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• 49:07
  Speaker 1: What do you want mothers writ large and Jewish mothers
• 49:11
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• 49:15
  Speaker 8: I mean, this is a really dangerous, scary tipping point,
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: I think, in in America.
• 49:21
  Speaker 10: And we're not just seeing it in Michigan.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: We actually just saw an incredible, very long overdue piece
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: about Adam Hamawi, who's running in New Jersey as a Democrat,
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: who's destined to win in New Jersey as well in
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: a House seat. We are seeing actual Islamists about to
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: enter United States Congress.
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: And I don't know where we go from here. It's
• 49:41
  Speaker 10: a really scary tipping point.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I had an Arab Muslim friend of mine at lunch
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: today tell me, you will, meaning American voters, will normalize
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood if you elect al-Sayed. And I believe he's right.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Because it's their MO. I don't know if he's formally
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: a member. He is adjacent to it. And it's that aggressive, angry, hostile, in-your-face,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: don't-ask-me-a-question thing. I can't imagine normal people voting for that.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Can you?
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: I mean, they already did in New Jersey. That's the scary.
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: I don't know how to make it more clear to
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: people what we're dealing with in Michigan, because all of
• 50:28
  Speaker 8: the research, all of the stories are already there about
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: his connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I mean, he himself,
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: when he's asked point blank, which isn't frequently enough because,
• 50:37
  Speaker 8: you know, journalism isn't what it used to be. When
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: he is asked, do you disavow Hamas? He he pussyfuss
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: around it in a very uncomfortable way. And I think
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: that a lot of a lot of people are under
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: the mistaken impression that it's just on Israel that he's bad.
• 50:54
  Speaker 10: If he's just bad on Israel, you know, whatever. Who cares?
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: That's across the pond. But the reality is he. He
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: has an affinity for a worldview that wants to destroy
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: all of the West. Death to Israel, and then the
• 51:08
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• 51:11
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• 51:12
  Speaker 1: All right. Now, yesterday, after Haley Stevens did her very
• 51:15
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• 51:18
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• 51:20
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• 51:24
  Speaker 1: has been around for 15, 20 years. He shows up
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: on CNN and on MSNBC and in the Daily Beast.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Wajahat Ali, came from San Francisco, I think he was
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: once a lawyer, I'm not sure, posted yesterday at 1241,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I quote, If, God forbid, Abdul loses, this will be
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: a watershed moment in democratic politics. The fire will rise.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: It's over. People will be radicalized against corporate pro-Israel Dems.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: There will be a reckoning. If, when he wins, it
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: will be a watershed moment. And that reckoning will still come.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: How do you understand that, Bethany?
• 52:04
  Speaker 10: We saw it from left and right.
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  Speaker 8: There's a libertarian commentator who's popular on YouTube.
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  Speaker 10: Her name is Hannah Cox.
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  Speaker 8: She said something very similar, that Americans are being radicalized
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: to the influence of Israel and all of these things
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: to explain why Haley Stevens decided, like, this is just
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: a bridge too far for me.
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: I have tried and tried and tried.
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: And this is a tactic that anyone who has ever
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: dealt with a narcissist understands. You try and you try
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: and try until you throw up your hands and give up.
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: And so a lot of critics of Haley Stevens announced
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: me yesterday said, well, she was saying she was supporting
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: him up until two days ago. Yeah, because she kept
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: trying to get him to moderate and to make clear
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: his positions in a way that she felt like she
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: could stand behind him on Tuesday. And she couldn't get
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: to him to that point because He refuses to go there,
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: which is a more moderate Democratic take.
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: And after that, what is she supposed to do?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: You know, a senator, not only do they get to
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: have an oversized influence on district court judges, right? He'll
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: get one out of two district court judges. And we
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: know what those people will be like, radical. But they
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: also can put a hold on every nominee. Now, Tommy
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Tuberville did this, and I slammed him for it in Alabama.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: He put a hold on the promotion of Every American
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: officer candidate from colonel up to four-star. And it screwed
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: up the military for five years. I think the power
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the United States senator has is dimly understood. That's why
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: this is, you know, Troy Jackson's a schlub. And I
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: hope Susan Collins beats him and John Huston beats old,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: old Sherrod Brown. And Mary Peltola doesn't win because she's
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: a cheater. And Tallarico doesn't win because he's weird. But
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I think El Sayed is sinister. Do you?
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: It's pretty much, I'm just going to be honest, the
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: only race I care about tomorrow. Because I do feel
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: like it is a tipping point in American history where
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: we're going as a civilization, not just as a country,
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: not just as a nation, but as the civilization of
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: the West. If we elect someone who wants to destroy us.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: So.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Why do you think he wants to destroy us?
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: I mean, he's radical.
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: He's very clear that he thinks that America is evil.
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: And this is something that's being taught in our schools.
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: This is unfortunately a very popular message that America is
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: a unique evil. I was on a radio show a
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: long time ago, and the host badgered me about reading
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: a book.
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: It was called The Tower, The.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: The Looming Tower, yes, yes. I badger.
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: I badger a lot.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: That's why I know the brotherhood. Because it's a history
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: of Banna and El-Sayed and Ketub. And it's just all
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: right there. You don't have to really work hard to
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: find out what the brothers are.
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: After I was badgered, I read The Looming Tower. And
• 55:06
  Speaker 10: that's it. That's what he believes.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: You know, the New Yorker employs Lawrence Wright. Have they
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: said anything about this race? Have any Democratic outlet actually
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: dealt with the reality of this race in your view?
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's kind of like the Atlantic writing this
• 55:26
  Speaker 8: takedown piece of Adam Hawawee the day before the election
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: when he already won a primary in a deep blue district.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: That's a false flag because he's going to win. The
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: squad's going to double. Do you think they're going to
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: support Hakeem Jeffries?
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: So that's That's the thing that frustrates me about all
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: of this, because Schumer was one of those voices. Pelosi
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: is one of those voices that piled on Haley Stevens.
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: And I'm like, guys, they're coming for you. I don't
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: know what makes you think that you're immune to their
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: witch hunt, but you will be next.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Haley Stevens is trying to save her party. Chuck Schumer
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: is trying to save his job. That's my summary. Agree?
• 56:08
  Speaker 10: Yep, 100%.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Bethany Mandel, it's not because you agree with me 100%,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: but because you think about these things a lot as
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: a mom that I appreciate your taking that. TheMomWars.substack.com by
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Bethany Mandel. Follow her at Bethany Shondark. Someday she'll change
• 56:24
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• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Thank you, Bethany.